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Speaker 1: to the NFL Players Second Acts podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thank y'all for tuning in. I'm Peanut tuning and this

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Speaker 1: is my guy, Roman Dalmatian. You got these spots, Harper,

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Speaker 1: this is the NFL player Second Acts Podcast.

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Speaker 2: And uh yeah, you like that intro? Right, that was

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Speaker 2: a good one I did.

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Speaker 1: It's more of a blend. It's not really a dalmation.

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Speaker 1: My hair's not spotted, but it definitely blends well.

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Speaker 1: First of all, give me give a shout out to

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Speaker 1: to tell a friend, to tell a friend, now, Peanut, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: who is our guests this morning in this beautiful studio.

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Speaker 1: We got a good one today. We got a good

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Speaker 1: one today. Fred's he's local, you know, he's out of California.

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Speaker 1: He was the number five overall draft pick in a

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Speaker 1: t X Jets, Jets, Jets. All right, yes, played ten season,

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Speaker 1: four different teams. He's one of only two quarterbacks in

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Speaker 1: their first two years to go to the AFC Championship Game.

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Speaker 1: He worked for Fox Sports. He calls games now. He's

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Speaker 1: a USC m F and legend. Y'all please welcome in

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Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez, ladies showman, thank you, thank you. I promise

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Speaker 1: she will never get another intro like that ever again.

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Speaker 1: I know you do TV, but that is like one

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Speaker 1: of the you know that is that is a big

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Speaker 3: I feel good now you feel that energy. I didn't

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Speaker 3: know when I walked in. I was a little worried

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Speaker 3: watching the whole setup. Yeah no, we just and then

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Speaker 3: the intro scared me before the you know, the Dalmatian

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Speaker 2: This is my uncle though, man, like he this is

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Speaker 1: This the deacon. You gotta think when you first saw

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Speaker 1: this guy, he didn't not look so I'm actually yeah,

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Speaker 1: like he looks like he's like one of those deep

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Speaker 1: southern families. Were like, yeah, I'm the uncle that's younger

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Speaker 1: than you know what I'm saying, like, this is where

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Speaker 1: we're at, right, now, so it's all good, it's all acceptable.

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Speaker 1: But Mark, this is my my first question. It's very current.

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Speaker 1: All right, you were on Hard Knocks at one point

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Speaker 1: in time. Have you watched the Hard Knocks this year

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Speaker 1: and have you been keeping up with it? Knowing that

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Speaker 1: it's the Jets. A lot of people didn't want the Jets.

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Speaker 2: So it's give me your opinion on it.

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Speaker 3: So it is interesting, and there is a shift I

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Speaker 3: we're trying to score points like that. Yeah, you don't

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Speaker 3: sexier on this show. Well if you're not that guy

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Speaker 3: guy couldn't even motivate me to eat a sandwich, you

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Speaker 3: at that So it's I'm happy for Aaron because I've

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Speaker 3: and now people are starting to get a chance to

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Speaker 3: see him the way he is as a teammate behind

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Speaker 3: being a good teammate and working hard and trying to

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Speaker 3: dude's unbelievable to camp last week, they yes, Decker was there.

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Speaker 3: I got a dude. The kid makes a cameo in

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Speaker 3: Hard Knocks and Braylan Edwards is just blocking my visual

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Speaker 3: all thirty of the throws from three quarterbacks, but in

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Speaker 3: the episode the night before, I'm like, dude, you guys

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Speaker 3: So I gave him a hard time and then Braylan

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Speaker 1: Was there ever a moment that caught you off guard

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Speaker 1: when you did the hard Yes? So I did it

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Speaker 3: just figure it out. And I'm like, well, offense doesn't

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Speaker 3: everyone's ass. We'll be there to try and score.

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Speaker 3: But Rex was perfect for it, and I think the

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Speaker 3: and it gives them such insight on on what the

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Speaker 3: players are like. When you, you know, make fun of

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Speaker 3: other guys. The rookies have to do their rookie show.

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Speaker 3: Their rookie show was terrible this year. It was terrible.

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Speaker 3: Yes twice. I mean one of the guys went up

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Speaker 3: You gotta do the coaches meeting. Yeah, that's like the

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Speaker 3: standard rookie show is right. You make fun of all

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Speaker 3: the coaches and maybe throw one or two players in there.

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Speaker 1: So they didn't do what we did. I did a

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Speaker 3: Under my shirt for Rex because this was before he

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Speaker 3: He was always snacking, so I had all these snacks

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Speaker 3: all great at you know, Oh dude, we had a

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Speaker 1: People understand like that how much that brings teams together

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Speaker 1: when you have a good rookie show.

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Speaker 2: If you're not in the ladder, you don't understand that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I tried to tell that it does matter. Teams they

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Speaker 3: There is something. Okay, you have a great locker room,

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Speaker 2: I bet?

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Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, he does talk about your first those teams matter.

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Speaker 3: Those solid Our rookie show is legit. The rookies from

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Speaker 3: the year before would help the guys when they and

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Speaker 1: I just love that at the rookie show, and I

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Speaker 1: to give effort. Oh and the veterans are going to

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Speaker 1: effort did you put in?

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Speaker 3: Did you try? It's the older brother, yeah, yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know we all had to do it, and

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Speaker 1: Sing like just like, come on, man, that's how you

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Speaker 3: Nobody pick on me. You're gonna get the worst.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna get it. You're definitely gonna get it. We

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Speaker 1: that that locker room, that foundation is what I think

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Speaker 1: we had a great year, our good run. We're good teammates.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you had some good teammates. I want to

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Speaker 1: kind of switch it. So two thousand, what was that?

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Speaker 1: I think twenty twelve I was I was able to

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Speaker 1: to the White House, mass saw some some really cool stuff.

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Speaker 1: Situation room. Now I know you went back in twenty ten. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So deep break like talk to me about what he's

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Speaker 3: you know freaking Leonardo DiCaprio. You see anybody else or

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Speaker 3: Thank you Aunt Linda, you know, saying hello to everybody,

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Speaker 3: tradition with the coliseum. So that there was always something like, Wow,

432
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,359
Speaker 3: you're just proud to be a part of it, and

433
00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,520
Speaker 3: I don't want to let anybody down, you know, there

434
00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,520
Speaker 3: was there was that feeling like I got a responsibility here,

435
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:05,919
Speaker 3: all right.

436
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:07,000
Speaker 2: Fact, go ahead.

437
00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:12,960
Speaker 1: My wife Jackie, her grandfather was a usc UH student

438
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,239
Speaker 1: body president when he went there.

439
00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,639
Speaker 2: Let's go back in. I don't know what year. I

440
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,159
Speaker 2: don't know what year it was, but it was he was.

441
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,360
Speaker 1: He's a big time of lump, like goes to every game.

442
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 1: When y'all play Notre Dame, y'all got a game, he

443
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,240
Speaker 1: is there, Like when I tell you, spends millions of

444
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:35,760
Speaker 1: dollars on USC over the years. He loves USC so

445
00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,480
Speaker 1: much he named his son. His grandson's name is Troy.

446
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 1: That's how much he loves you. As I'm not even

447
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,960
Speaker 1: the way to liven Hey. I mean you guys all

448
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,879
Speaker 1: in yea all that's the only way.

449
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:48,639
Speaker 3: That's what it is.

450
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,760
Speaker 1: So I'm a guy from small country town, was never

451
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 1: really in the spotlight until really I got to like

452
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:56,160
Speaker 1: the league.

453
00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 2: I don't know about you in Alabama, but you're.

454
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:05,880
Speaker 1: A guy high school spotlight, college spotlight, NFL spotlight, rookie spotlight.

455
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,400
Speaker 1: Even now you're kind of somewhat stolen it in a way.

456
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,160
Speaker 1: What is what has that taught you over the years.

457
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a white hot spotlight, especially when

458
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 3: you get somewhere like the Jets. I think your unique

459
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 3: upbringing is not exploited but brought to the forefront, like

460
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 3: being a Mexican American, Hispanic American. That's been huge for

461
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,160
Speaker 3: me and that kind of support from a very loyal

462
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 3: fan base that I mean, they don't care whether you well, you.

463
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 1: Look great different, right, Like that's the thing, right, that's

464
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:39,920
Speaker 1: another selling point.

465
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,440
Speaker 2: Mark was going to New York.

466
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 3: But I'm trying. Yeah, So you know, it's it just

467
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 3: becomes what you sign up for and you always remember that, right.

468
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,680
Speaker 3: And I think one of the biggest lessons is, you know,

469
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 3: you can't don't ever complain about the spotlight when that

470
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 3: same spotlight has given you or afforded you opportunities that

471
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 3: you otherwise wouldn't have, whether it's you know, eating at

472
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,400
Speaker 3: specific restaurants or doing these cool experiences, or being able

473
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 3: to go to the White House or whatever that is.

474
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 3: If I was playing for some other team, maybe that

475
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 3: doesn't happen if it's not New York, you know, and

476
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 3: if you're not the quarterback, maybe that doesn't happen to

477
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 3: you in that specific you know example. So you know,

478
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 3: you can't complain about it if you get something from

479
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 3: it and do your best to you know, try and

480
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 3: remain humble. And the thing I've found that brought me

481
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 3: a lot of joy when you're in those scenarios of

482
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 3: being the guy or in the spotlight, is when you

483
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 3: bring your teammates or your family, right, like you get

484
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 3: you get hooked up for Broadway tickets and you get

485
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 3: to go to the premieres, or you get to go

486
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 3: to the premiers of all these cool movies that you

487
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 3: know in New York City. Well, yeah, I'd love to go,

488
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 3: and I understand you only have two tickets, but I

489
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 3: got to bring at least two or three of the

490
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 3: old linemen and their wives. So yeah, if we're coming,

491
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 3: we're coming as a group, but you know whatever, And

492
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 3: they'd always come back and say, yeah, okay, you're all coming.

493
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 3: So the guys would walk the red carpet with their

494
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 3: wives and then you know, on the other end, it

495
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 3: gives you a free night out with the boys later on. Yeah,

496
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 3: the wife they were happy they got to see a

497
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 3: Bronx show, you know, and then the guys can hang

498
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 3: one night. So but I think it's I think it's

499
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 3: important to bring the people either that helped you get

500
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 3: there along with you, or you know, the people you're

501
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 3: sharing that spotlight with, to make sure you deflect some

502
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 3: of it and make sure they get some love to.

503
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 1: I think you've always come off. Marc is one of

504
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 1: those guys, is like like you said, you are in

505
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: the spotlight. You every You've been in every large market

506
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 1: that's possible, like you've grown up in it.

507
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. This is like when I started bouncing around.

508
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chicago, yeah, d C. All huge market and I

509
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: just built it like like where's all the people? Where

510
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: the people at? And I played and I'm the only

511
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 1: one up here that played in small markets like you

512
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: played in Chicago, huge market.

513
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 3: That's huge.

514
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: But I didn't have the spotlight like that.

515
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 3: I know you're pretty big.

516
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,959
Speaker 1: With all that being said, though, yeah, because you can

517
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: kind did a lot for the game people.

518
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and every time I might punch the ball out,

519
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 2: they mentioned your name very much.

520
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: They mentioned your name all the time. So, uh, the

521
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: way you handled all that though, your humility, the ability

522
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: to be able to you know, take the spotlight and

523
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: then push it out on everybody else. I think that's

524
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: a talent and a lot of quarterbacks maybe they don't

525
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: understand that, or just people in general, what it's like

526
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 1: to be, you know, with all the pressure that comes

527
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: with being the quarterback, the responsibility as well.

528
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 3: Oh it's uh, it's a lot of pressure. But that's

529
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 3: once again, like you sign up from that or for

530
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 3: that from the jump, the good, the bad, the ugly,

531
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 3: everything in between, and looking back, it's like, you know,

532
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 3: what would I change? What would I try and do different?

533
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 3: How have I grown from all this stuff? I think

534
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 3: one of the biggest things is I just didn't really

535
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 3: face true adversity publicly like that until I got to

536
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 3: the NFL. Right because I'm I'm getting good grades in school,

537
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 3: I'm homecoming king, you know, I got a scholarship to USC.

538
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 3: I'm going to be the quarterback at SC. I play

539
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 3: at SC, we win the Rose Bowl, I'm an MVP.

540
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 2: Boom.

541
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 3: Now you're in the NFL, and it's just like, oh man,

542
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 3: this is just awesome. Yeah, well, you know, go win

543
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 3: win eight games and missed the playoffs in New York

544
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 3: and then you're like, whoa, this isn't the real world. Wow, yeah,

545
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 3: what happened whereever he go? How did what happened to

546
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 3: all the fun stuff? Nobody's smiling anymore. People are pissed,

547
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 3: you know, and you learn a lot about life and

548
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 3: people and a little bit of adversity, and then you

549
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 3: have to adjust. Okay, well now what you know? And

550
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 3: so those are now that I'm a dad, I got

551
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 3: a boy who's going to be seven, Those are like

552
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 3: valuable lessons And I'm trying to import on him about dude,

553
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 3: you're gonna have so many advantages growing up, you know.

554
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 3: And we used to say this in travel basketball. But

555
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 3: my dad's like, ah, we're thinking about adding this kid

556
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 3: to the team. But he's a three car garage kid,

557
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 3: meaning like, is he really gonna grind? Yeah, a scrap

558
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 3: for a loose ball? Is he gonna dive? Is he

559
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 3: like you know, does he get a cramp and come

560
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 3: out like and it was a thing, and so that

561
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 3: is you know, now that I know some of the

562
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 3: drawbacks of all those things going your way from the

563
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 3: jump and becoming this star in New York or whatever. Well, okay,

564
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 3: what are my fears for the next one coming up?

565
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 2: Right?

566
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 3: Like for my son, I'm like, oh, shoot, dude, we

567
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 3: wake up and we're looking at the ocean. Come on, dog,

568
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 3: this is bad. We need to go get an apartment

569
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 3: like somewhere else.

570
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 2: How's he going grind?

571
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

572
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 3: Like, how do I teach him? Like this stuff doesn't

573
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 3: just happen? Like me and Grandpa and your uncles were

574
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 3: outside all the time throwing the football fielding ground balls,

575
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 3: shooting layups. I mean we went to Chargers camp the

576
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 3: other day. I almost had this crazy flashback because I

577
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 3: remember at Coasta Mesa High school where they practice, they

578
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 3: did their joint practice or whatever. At Jack Hammett whatever,

579
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 3: well that gym there, Dude. I almost had like a

580
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 3: full on flashback because I remember my dad was gone.

581
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 3: He was doing something as a firefighter. My brother took

582
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 3: me to that basketball tournament in that gym in the

583
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 3: parking lot next to where they're practicing, so I see

584
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 3: the mustangs on the wall whatever, and I was like,

585
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 3: oh my god, I remember this place, dude. My brother

586
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 3: kept me after the game because I missed two breakaway

587
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: layups in our game and we lost by like a

588
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 3: point or something. Dude. We went up and down the

589
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 3: court and he would just launch the ball all the

590
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 3: way down so I could run by myself. After the

591
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 3: gym had cleared out for like two hours, I must

592
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 3: have shot three hundred freaking breakaway layups and I was gassed.

593
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 3: But it was like just a reminder of like, dang, grin,

594
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 3: that's where it is. That's that's where it really starts.

595
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 3: That's where that's who you really are. If you commit

596
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 3: to it and then the rest you know, you do

597
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 3: your best.

598
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 2: We're going to take a short break and we'll be

599
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: back in a minute. All right, tell me about this.

600
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:46,719
Speaker 2: All right?

601
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: So number one, when did you know it was time

602
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: to retire? And number two, let's talk about that transition afterwards.

603
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: You know you really didn't take any time off. Yeah,

604
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: you went straight into doing TV and now you're doing

605
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: the broadcasting And let's let's kind of dive it out

606
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: because we worked with some of the same people.

607
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, on the broadcasting side.

608
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 3: So I think after Washington it was pretty hectic. Things

609
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 3: were getting hectic at home my son and you know,

610
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 3: my son's mom and I co parent him. So if

611
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: I'm going to be gone, uh, you know most of

612
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 3: the year, like when am I going to see him?

613
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 3: What does this next chapter of life look like? And

614
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: it was It was just the right time. So, yeah,

615
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 3: am I going to try and grind this out one

616
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 3: more year with all this other stuff on my mind?

617
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 3: Like I'm doing a disservice to the team I'm trying

618
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 3: to make and maybe to myself. Let's roll, let's let's

619
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 3: pack up and figure this thing out. This next chapter.

620
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 3: I got a lot of stuff too, so you were ready.

621
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: I was.

622
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: I was ready.

623
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: I knew I was really going to miss it, but

624
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 3: I was ready, and I think at any point I

625
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 3: was really going to miss it, so I don't think

626
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 3: anything would have changed there. And then it was like, okay,

627
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 3: now what I can't just be in my opinion, I

628
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 3: didn't feel comble with nothing to do for my son

629
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: to see, you know what I mean, like I didn't

630
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 3: want him to see it at that time, he was

631
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 3: like three years old, but I didn't want him to see.

632
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 3: You know, my dad used to play football. He made

633
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 3: a bunch of money. And now we just kind of

634
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 3: hang out like I don't know, and there's nothing wrong

635
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 3: with that. Is that is totally fine. It just was like,

636
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe I don't have to put on a

637
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 3: suit and tie every day, but i'd like to be

638
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 3: doing something. I'd like him see me going to work,

639
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 3: whether it was consulting or real estate or something. And

640
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 3: I couldn't really be coaching, although I'd love to coach.

641
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 3: I was like, that's just going to go way too far,

642
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,719
Speaker 3: and I know, like I'll go full send on coaching

643
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 3: and then yeah, exactly, so I'm like I might as

644
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 3: well try and play again. Those are two of the

645
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 3: same things. So I was like, all right, let's try

646
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 3: this broadcasting boot camp. Tracy Peerlman, Jerry Maddalon, a lot

647
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 3: of people help get that set up, and that was

648
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 3: really eye opening for me on what some opportunities could be.

649
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 3: And so we go through the broadcasting boot camp, which

650
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 3: I highly encourage players. I wish I had done it

651
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 3: my third year in the league, you know, like that

652
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 3: really breaks my heart that I didn't do that, and

653
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 3: I hope the players if you have any interest in

654
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 3: any of those boot camps, like public Service Announcement, I

655
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 3: highly recommend going to one of those. It's free, they

656
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 3: hook up your travel, You learn so much, you meet

657
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 3: all the people you're gonna meet anyway that are important

658
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 3: to know for your next endeavor if you choose that forum.

659
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 3: So important, but they basically tape everything that you do there.

660
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 3: They send out all your essentially like your demos. And

661
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 3: and then we got calls from ESPN. I had to

662
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 3: go audition for them, and ABC jumped in that role

663
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 3: with Jonathan Vilma. The last time I had talked to

664
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 3: Jonathan Vilma was my rookie year. We played you Guys

665
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 3: Game four in New Orleans.

666
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: I get picked off by House. It gets better because

667
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: he got the pedal, dude.

668
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 3: And finally so Sharp's too far ahead or he's behind me,

669
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 3: and I'm trying to like create a pile. You're taught

670
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 3: just create a pile, right, So I kind of just

671
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,719
Speaker 3: dive near Vilma.

672
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: He chopped.

673
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 3: In hindsight, it's a little bit too violent. It should

674
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 3: have been more of like a tuck and roll, and

675
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 3: it was a little more like direct at Vilma. You know,

676
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 3: he's horizontal, he's pissed whatever. And then I get fined.

677
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 3: And then the next time I talked to him was

678
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 3: to call him and tell him, Hey, I got the job.

679
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 3: I'm sitting next to you on the desk at College

680
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 3: Football ABC. So I was like, bro, I'm sorry, should

681
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 3: we just talk about this now? He's like, hell, yeah,

682
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 3: we're gonna talk about it. So Vilma, I thought he

683
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,479
Speaker 3: was gonna whoop my ass the first day in the studio.

684
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 3: He didn't, thankfully, and he's been a great dude to

685
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 3: me and just helped me a ton with just like

686
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 3: in football, like you you look at the older guys

687
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 3: on the team, if that's on the team, they're like

688
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 3: your big brothers. It's the same thing in television media whatever.

689
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 3: Like Kevin M. Gandhi and Jonathan Vilma were so by

690
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 3: the end of my time there at sc or at

691
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 3: at Sports Center or ESPN for two years, I was

692
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: staying in the Gandhi's house in the basement. And his

693
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 3: kids are like crazy Philly fans just like him. So

694
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: all they wanted to talk about is, uh, Brent seleck

695
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 3: zach Ertz, Leashan McCoy, you know, tell me about playing

696
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: with this guy, tell me about playing this guy. So

697
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: we'd be playing like knee football and knee basketball in

698
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 3: the basement with his little kids. And that's how close

699
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 3: we became. Same thing we mentioned with football, when a

700
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 3: broadcast or a crew becomes more than just a job

701
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: and it's like your family. We had some great shows

702
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 3: with the IT.

703
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: Shows on TV because I I leaned on Vilma so

704
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: much when I was first starting to get into it.

705
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: He's just he's honest. He's brutally honest. Sometimes he's not

706
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: that nice of a person. He's a great guy, but

707
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: he's but you want his opinion. Yeah, you respect people

708
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: say yeah, hey, you're doing great, You're doing great, and

709
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: you don't get honest feet that difference between but that's

710
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: the difference between you or us as athletes and professionals.

711
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: When you make it to the highest level.

712
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 3: You're extracting critique.

713
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: One criticism, and I think that's what makes us who

714
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: we are as people. Right when you go to the

715
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: real world and a regular I guess, a regular job,

716
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: you want people just to tell you how good you are,

717
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: like a yes man or yes woman or whatever.

718
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: Like it just doesn't make.

719
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 3: Dude, you can't say that, yes, we got to get better.

720
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to grow. I'm a plus minus guy. I'm

721
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: everything in my life and I can move on everything

722
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,239
Speaker 1: I want just plus minu. So I guess I am.

723
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: I try to do the boot camp. I tried it

724
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: twice and they like was like, no, we're not We're

725
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: not taking your application. I don't know if my my home's.

726
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 3: Answer.

727
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: I was just like I did the broadcast boot camp.

728
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: I thought it was a big thumbs up, two thumbs twice,

729
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: and they were like, no, maybe I didn't beg enough

730
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: because you said that I did. I did, application was

731
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: late and then I just wrote like a really nice

732
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: little personal thing at the end.

733
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 2: They let me in last one in and they let me.

734
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: They said it was full.

735
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: Then I wrote another followback email and it worked out anyways,

736
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: and then next you know, I'm doing what I'm doing now.

737
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: And uh, it's it's funny though, Mark, Cuz because you

738
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: went right into it. Yeah, Peanut went right into it.

739
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

740
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: Me, I took a whole year off.

741
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: I took three hundred and sixty five days and said

742
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do anything, just really decompress and

743
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: then I figure out, trust me, what I want to do.

744
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 2: My situation was different.

745
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean.

746
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: And you got your job pretty quick though, right They

747
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: offered you like right away.

748
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 3: Well I did have to go interview or audition, yes,

749
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 3: at ESPN. But that's kind of why it happened so fast,

750
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: right because of the demos that went out from boot camp.

751
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 3: It was like, okay, you have a couple of different

752
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 3: options here. You can do USC radio, you can do

753
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 3: blah blah blah. So I was like, oh, shoot, okay,

754
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 3: we're starting like this fall then this.

755
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: Is this is real, okay, And I don't think everybody

756
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: understand it's not just like, oh you're good, you get

757
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: to get hired like you can be good and not

758
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: get a hired.

759
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: It's all about hiring cycles.

760
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: It's timing. It's it's just like playing Tom Brady. Oh

761
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: we're signing him.

762
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 3: And that and those names, those on field accolades will

763
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 3: get you in the door. But if you don't study,

764
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 3: you're not keeping current with the game, if you're not

765
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 3: talking to coaches and players and all that and you know,

766
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 3: fine tuning your skills, you get passed by, right like

767
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 3: the next new sexy guy. Who's hey, man, this guy.

768
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 2: You know, when I retired, I literally did the same.

769
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: Literally, it happened just like you had a had a

770
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: media agent with CIA and well, I'm thinking about it maybe,

771
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: and then I retired and then I was here interviewing

772
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: for Fox Sports, and I did the interview and was like.

773
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, I guess I'm doing this.

774
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: And then two weeks later it's like, yeah, they want you,

775
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: they want you to do and I was a choice,

776
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: damn okay, this is And that was how I got

777
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: into doing that.

778
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 3: You know, at that point, you can't be like, all right,

779
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 3: give me one year.

780
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 2: No you can't.

781
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Mine was just kind of he's totally different than

782
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: everybody else out there. It was the six seven six rings.

783
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: I don't know.

784
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: They got him out here in the walls at the

785
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: NFL studios. Have you seen Tom Brady on the wall.

786
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 3: He looks like a Game of Thrones, like a yes,

787
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 3: iron man see it.

788
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: I'm just I mean, he was in Tampa Bay though,

789
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: That's my only thing. I mean that he wanted to see.

790
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 3: The most. It's recency biased. You know what have you

791
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 3: done for me lately?

792
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: I'm with that. I can I can respect that. I

793
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 2: can respect that. I just I just was thrown off.

794
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: I was listening to you talking about Kevin Na Gandhi too,

795
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: and maybe you give everybody else some advice that want

796
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: to get into the broadcasting or the analysts work. And

797
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 1: you said, the thing that really helped you with the Gandhi,

798
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: how he just took you on his wing, was that,

799
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, He's like, look, don't focus on anything else.

800
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: You just deliver what you know, the knowledge that you

801
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: know being a quarterback, the eyes in which you see

802
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: the football game, the game through is what we want

803
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: to see and be able to break that down for

804
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: people's like I'm just going to ask you football questions.

805
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 3: Exactly, and you just give me a football answers that's it, yeah,

806
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 3: and like just stay in that lane, funny, and you

807
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 3: will shine in this business. And it's so true. And

808
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 3: then along the way you're gonna learn different skills and

809
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 3: they seem kind of silly, but like, how long is

810
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 3: a thirty second answer?

811
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: I agree?

812
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 3: How long is a minute? How long is a minute

813
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:26,959
Speaker 3: and a half? How long is a five minute debate

814
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: with four panelists three panelists, Like, so until you're in

815
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 3: those situations, you're not going to know. But the biggest

816
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 3: thing to try and understand early is like this economy

817
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 3: of words. How can you say you know without talking

818
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 3: over people? And if you drop a little terminology, be

819
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 3: ready to explain it quickly, like how can you get

820
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 3: your message across and articulate your point? And Kevin was

821
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 3: so good with that because during the breaks sometimes we'd

822
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 3: be doing rap shows, so basically we're talking over highlights yep,

823
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 3: and you know, oh, I could see like whoa, the

824
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 3: left tackles way or bam that that running back has

825
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 3: to block that guy or whatever. He goes great, I'm

826
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: coming to you. You go with this film, good with

827
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 3: this one, bam. And so he would set us up

828
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 3: like a point guard all the time with like just

829
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 3: a nasty pass boom we're.

830
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: In exactly, yeah, and could not miss.

831
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: Your brother helped you out, mother helped you out exactly.

832
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 3: So he was he was great. But I mean the

833
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 3: sooner you get those reps and that's really what it

834
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 3: comes down to.

835
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 1: We that's what you learn at the local Well, that's

836
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: what you learned at broadcast boots, dude, Like, that's what

837
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: you learn. It's so I want to hear. Just give

838
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: me a quick thirty second story on something you did

839
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: at the broadcast bout camp where you just trash or

840
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: no or not. Have you ever just fill flat on

841
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: your face live TV? Yeah, I mean give me give

842
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: me one of them stories as a player.

843
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: Second that as a player, as a as an analyst.

844
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 3: Be in there. Let's see as an analyst.

845
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: Golly, it is something you were just like, man, that's

846
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: live TV. I totally messed that up. I've been there,

847
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: oh a million, I mean, oh my god, a million

848
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: times where you just kind of blank. I've watched my

849
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: prior broadcast before and you're kind of like your point

850
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: just kind of it's like dangling thing and you're I'm like,

851
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: who are you talking? And sometimes I find myself saying

852
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I hear my dad saying to me,

853
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, like like we're watching in warm ups or

854
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: something like that, and I'm glad it didn't make the broadcast.

855
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: But like you see guys throwing the ball and it's

856
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: like routes on air. They're basically playing catch, and you

857
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: see him like drop three in a row or miss

858
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: three in a row. You're just like, what do we

859
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: call this game? Catch or chase? What are we doing here? Yeah?

860
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 3: You know, so I'll say stuff like that or you know,

861
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 3: my dad.

862
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: You didn't even know you were listening to.

863
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, and it was so weird. But he

864
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 3: would say, you know, he dropped him like a bad habit,

865
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 3: or he dropped him like a that transmission, or you know,

866
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 3: he just have these weird sayings. And I've set him

867
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 3: on air before and I immediately like hit the talkback

868
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 3: button to mute myself and I'm like, you idiot, and

869
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 3: my producers like, I love it. I love it. You

870
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 3: sound like you're seventy years old. I'm like, great, thanks,

871
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember. I talked about Kirk Cousins one time,

872
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: and similar to Aaron Rodgers I think this Quarterback show

873
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 3: that he's been on has really helped his BRANDI.

874
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, because everybody thinks he's beyond boring, yes, and he's not.

875
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: He's like pretty funny and interesting dude, but he's he's

876
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: super nerdy owns. Yeah, but it's him, But it's him,

877
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 3: it's him. And then on the field, he's like a

878
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 3: stone cold killer dog, like he wants to win just

879
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 3: like everybody else, if not more. Well, I made a

880
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 3: comment because he got all out pressure. They had a

881
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,479
Speaker 3: little tight end, shallow cross and he flips it across

882
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 3: his body all the way to the opposite sideline, gets

883
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 3: his completion, first down, crucial first down, and they end

884
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 3: up kicking a field goal to win against Seattle. A

885
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 3: couple of years ago in Minnesota. One of my games

886
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 3: for for Minnesota on Fox, Well, I said, listen, say

887
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 3: what you want about Kirk Cousins. He might call his

888
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 3: pants trousers. He might wear those said trousers up to

889
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 3: his navel. I don't care. He's a stone cold killer.

890
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 3: And those are the kind of third down plays against

891
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 3: pressure in the red zone you have to execute if

892
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 3: you're going to fill at a defense. And that's what

893
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 3: he just did and that was like one of my

894
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 3: favorite things that you gotta be cool with Kirk, Like

895
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 3: you can't pay him out to be a nerd. I'm like, guy,

896
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 3: he is, he is a nerd.

897
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: He is like that.

898
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: It's funny like that because like players recognize it, right,

899
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: we know. And it's the same way with like Russell Wilson.

900
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: You never had anybody say how great or how cool

901
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: he is.

902
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: He's a great player, great player. He's so cool.

903
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: He's he comes across to every other player. We're like, dude,

904
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: I mean that guy, he's that guy he is.

905
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 2: It's okay, you like everybody.

906
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: That's the best thing about the locker room is like

907
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: nobody really wants you to be anybody but yourself, but

908
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 1: be yourself.

909
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 3: And it's open game.

910
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: Everything's fair. Yeah, it's like everything fair.

911
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: Every there's yeah everything.

912
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

913
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: I was going to tell some stories, but I think

914
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: we'll do that off family.

915
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

916
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: I won't stop crying, you know. I cried as soon

917
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: as I laught having a good podcast. Every every time,

918
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: every time I cry, like crist.

919
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 3: It's the thing.

920
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 2: So this is what this is our second year doing

921
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 2: the show. I think we're heading like we're rolling.

922
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: In, ascending into our second years, and our goal is

923
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: to get this thing be national. We're trying to kill

924
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: it right now. We're trying to you know, wear our

925
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: trousers up to our navels or whatever. They focus and

926
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: we're just super laser focused. You've been in the broadcast business.

927
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: What are some of your goals as a broadcaster? How

928
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: far are you trying to go? Where are you trying

929
00:42:58,719 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: to take this?

930
00:42:59,520 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: You're trying to.

931
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 3: Emmy's Tony's listen. I think that stuff would happen on

932
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 3: its own. I think these first two years have been

933
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 3: a great foundation for me. This is a third year,

934
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 3: contract year, you know, so contract year. Yeah, yeah, we go, so,

935
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 3: you know, I feel like I'm really coming into my own.

936
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 3: I feel like I was my first year. I felt

937
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 3: like I was treading water a little bit, like any

938
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 3: rookie at anything.

939
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 2: Right.

940
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 3: And the next year, which was this past year, once

941
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 3: Kevin Coogler and I my partner, and Laura Oakman, who

942
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 3: both of them I love to death. They we were

943
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 3: in London and we call this awesome game the first round,

944
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 3: and we get to stay for like sixteen days in

945
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: London and do the second game because Fox took those

946
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 3: games last year, both really good games. One of them

947
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 3: was a Saints and it was we finally like clicked,

948
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 3: me and keV. At least I felt it totally click.

949
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 3: And keV was a little tight before because this was

950
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 3: to be the biggest broadcast he'd ever been on. I

951
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 3: was definitely nervous, but I've also walked out on the

952
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 3: field in the Coliseum and the Rose Bowl and Anti

953
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 3: Championship game. I'm like, dude, spotlight, Yeah, I'm scared, but

954
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 3: this is gonna be awesome because somebody's getting their ask

955
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 3: kicked in it amy. You know, let's roll, you know,

956
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 3: you just get into that mode of whatever, right, And

957
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 3: so I start massaging Kevin's shoulders like I'm his cut

958
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 3: man in boxing. I'm like, let's go champ. We read

959
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 3: a champ. We don't feed it to him today, you know.

960
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: And I'm just messing with him and trying to loosen

961
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 3: him up. And he has this awesome call and after

962
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 3: the game, I just gave him a huge hug. I'm like, dude,

963
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 3: you freaking nailed it. You freaking nailed it. I knew

964
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 3: you were super nervous, but you nail this dog. We

965
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 3: got this like, let's roll. We're not looking back anymore.

966
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 3: We've kind of hit our stride here, let's go. And

967
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 3: so ever since then, which was about October of the

968
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 3: last season, I felt like we're on this great trajectory together.

969
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 3: Now after this year, who knows what's gonna happen, but

970
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 3: it just feels like, hey, let's just keep stacking them,

971
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 3: just keep adding another one to the can. As soon

972
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 3: as we put in the can after the game, I

973
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 3: want a fist bump. We do our quick rap up,

974
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 3: and then like boom, let's get onto the next week.

975
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 3: Let's do it again. I want to be, you know,

976
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 3: get better each time. Tell me when I'm off, I'll

977
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 3: tell you when you're off. And so we have such

978
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 3: a good rapport now it's like, let's see how far

979
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 3: we can take it. You know, I'll go as long

980
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 3: as they do, you know, as long as they'll let

981
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 3: me hang around. I'm ready.

982
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 2: I love that.

983
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: I love that attitude. The podcast that you do with

984
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: Nick Mangle, I love it. First of all, the name

985
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: I'm sold in exchange.

986
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 3: The name is important. Who came up with the name, Yeah,

987
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 3: I think it was me. That was somebody at the Jets.

988
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 3: I think it was Matt Sikoff beautiful doun.

989
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: It's the most important thing element of the game that

990
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: nobody talks about.

991
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Centaert to quarterback extreme.

992
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 3: I mean it starts the whole play. Nothing happens till

993
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 3: the quarterback says go and the center's got to give

994
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 3: a great sound.

995
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: You know, doesn't his sister play center? No, No, she's

996
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 1: a weightlifter, she's Olympian.

997
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 2: She was like sports.

998
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: I knew, I knew she played sports strong as hell. Yeah, sorry, man,

999
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: just throw it out.

1000
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 2: There, bro. So it may be the stick.

1001
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: It's over the same thing with the Hillary, the same

1002
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 1: thing with the Hillary comment earlier.

1003
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 2: It's just like.

1004
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 3: Now starting.

1005
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 2: Pen tillman, throw it out there.

1006
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: Just whatever, let's try it has has that element up

1007
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: your game and other parts? Yeah, I think of your

1008
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: game like, what is a podcast? How does that help

1009
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: elevate your game?

1010
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 3: It's interesting. So you have so much time to really

1011
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 3: expand and tell these stories on podcasts, and that's one

1012
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 3: of the things you learn at broadcasting boot camp. But

1013
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 3: story sell people want to hear the stories. You know,

1014
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 3: we're going up to do Gino Smith his first game.

1015
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: Well, that's gonna be awesome.

1016
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, how about his rams at Gino? But it's like, Okay,

1017
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 3: Geno was the comeback player of the Okay, why tell

1018
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 3: me why. Everybody's going to say he's the comeback player

1019
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 3: of the year, but why So that's been like my

1020
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 3: off season project a little bit. As soon as we

1021
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 3: got this game is okay, I need to go find

1022
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 3: some specific plays of why and where I've seen him

1023
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 3: improve whatever well with with Nick on that show. That's

1024
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 3: what it becomes. You try and like fine tune your

1025
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 3: skills for that forum and one of the other you know, uh,

1026
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 3: we're giving away all the broadcasting boot camp secrets, but

1027
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 3: understanding the forum, who's the audience, where are you, what's

1028
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 3: the setting, like who are you, who are you with?

1029
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 3: And then who's watching, who's listening? Are they watching it all?

1030
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? And so those kind of

1031
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 3: things help me stay sharp for when I do studio

1032
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 3: with Fox or call a game, because that's very, very different.

1033
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 3: When you go do speak for yourself or speak now

1034
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 3: at Fox with Emmanuel Otto, that's different than sitting down

1035
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 3: with Colin Coward and just a totally different show, a

1036
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 3: totally different audience, and so you got to be ready

1037
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: to go, Like, I've never been as nervous as I

1038
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 3: am walking up to the speak set because Marcella's you know,

1039
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 3: joy Ocho. I need a couple extra like on my

1040
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 3: belt loop, you know what I mean, Like I need

1041
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 3: a couple extra points just in case I get into

1042
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 3: back and forth.

1043
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1044
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 3: Well, for Colin Coward, it's okay, tell me a great

1045
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 3: story about this, tell me your experience about this. How

1046
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: can you relate to that player that I'm asking you

1047
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 3: about whatever? With Mangold, we're just hanging talking to these

1048
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 3: people that love the Jets, and so okay, this is

1049
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 3: a little more softball than a lot of stuff. We're

1050
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 3: not breaking new you know, we're not trying to get

1051
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 3: gotcha on the podcast like ha, you said it on

1052
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 3: ours and we got all the news. Now, that's not

1053
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 3: really our vibe there, you know. So I think a

1054
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 3: lot of it's being able to be versatile once again.

1055
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 3: Na Gandhi. He does Little League World Series, he does

1056
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 3: Sports Center, he does Saturday College Football, He you know,

1057
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 3: hosts different shows for them, award shows, all that. He

1058
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 3: can do it all, Like I want to be able

1059
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 3: to do it all a lot for you know, whatever

1060
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 3: company wants to hire me, and it just gives you

1061
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 3: more opportunities, the more you can do.

1062
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 2: No, I love that, and all right, so now to

1063
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: the funny stuff.

1064
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: All right, Oh boy, number one, what was the most

1065
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,959
Speaker 1: outrageous purchase you had when you got to the league,

1066
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 1: And don't tell me about no abought my mama house.

1067
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear about it.

1068
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 3: Give me, give me somebody, Okay. Remember this is why

1069
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 3: my wife now hates when I buy stuff on Instagram

1070
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 3: because I'm a complete sucker for those stupid ads that

1071
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 3: come up on it.

1072
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: They pop up a lot more now too, Coach in

1073
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: the moment, Oh.

1074
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 3: Dude, I'm all over them. So before that, for this

1075
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 3: younger generation, there was a thing called sky Mall. Remember

1076
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 3: sky Mall on the planes when you Yeah, I had

1077
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 3: stuff crapped from the sharper, stuff from you name it.

1078
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 3: They had it all right. So I finally had a

1079
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 3: little bit of money, and I had seen these damn

1080
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,720
Speaker 3: magazines forever since I was a little kid and stuff,

1081
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 3: and I was just like, that would be so cool

1082
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 3: to one day, just like if I ever made money,

1083
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 3: just go through Skymall and just start circling everything I

1084
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 3: wanted to get coud. I got Harry Potter wands I

1085
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 3: got I put I lived on a golf course. I

1086
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,720
Speaker 3: got like a six foot Bigfoot statue.

1087
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,280
Speaker 1: I remember the Bigfoot statue.

1088
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 3: I bought one and put it out on the golf

1089
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 3: It was just a mess with the golfers, like kind

1090
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 3: of hiding me on a tree. Never picked it up,

1091
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 3: just left it left if anybody got scared. There was

1092
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 3: remember Gallum from Lord of the Rings. Yeah, there's one

1093
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 3: of him crawling out of the ground that looked like

1094
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 3: it was a statue. It was like this big got that.

1095
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 3: Remember the cryptex oh from the Angels and Demons or whatever. Yeah,

1096
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 3: Tom Cruise, Tom Hanks, Tom Hanks, Yeah that thing got

1097
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 3: one of those I saw.

1098
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 1: I remember that, dude. Yeah, I mean it's so lost

1099
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, clearly you are reading.

1100
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 2: I'm clearly.

1101
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 3: I got a clear Potter wand and it was like

1102
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 3: eight hundred and fifty dollars. The worst thing I've ever

1103
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 3: bought was a stick that said like Harry Potter on it.

1104
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 3: I'm like, I could have made this, but regardless, I

1105
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 3: just was so excited. Big kid, Yeah, like a big kid.

1106
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 3: He just bought some really dumb.

1107
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: Well, I'm excited about that you paid eight hundred dollars

1108
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: because I bought my kids those same wanes at like

1109
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: Universal Studios last summer for like eighty five, and I

1110
00:50:58,680 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: was mad.

1111
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 3: Then this was mine doesn't work?

1112
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this was like, well, there's at least makes noise?

1113
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: Did you have? And if you're in the.

1114
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 3: This was in two thousand and nine, this is my

1115
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 3: rookie year.

1116
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1117
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 3: Just I'm like, oh, this is just living. I need

1118
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 3: one of those. Yeah. Dumb, just dumbstuck.

1119
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 2: So my rookie I had my NFL repraisement.

1120
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 1: You know where Ted Washington put me in this card,

1121
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: made me drive around, pushed me, made me make all

1122
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: these sounds, and at the end he finally picks it

1123
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: up and he throws it with me in it. Welcome

1124
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 1: to the NFL, rookie, give me your welcome to the NFL.

1125
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 2: Welcome to the NFL moment.

1126
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 3: So well, my first practice with Bart Scott, I mean

1127
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 3: he like he was leaning over the center, like over Nick,

1128
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 3: and so immediately I was like, is there no outside?

1129
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 3: And so he's just screaming you Richie Valens bleabamba looking nacho,

1130
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 3: I'm gonna call you nao. And I can't even say

1131
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 3: the snap because and everybody was just like crying, laughing.

1132
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get just get the first snap, you know,

1133
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 3: hand off like lead zone week, you know, day one

1134
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 3: install type stuff, and we could barely get that off

1135
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 3: the ground. The very first time I gone the stadium

1136
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 3: against the Rams at the Old Giant Stadium, we played

1137
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 3: our preseason game and I come in and as soon

1138
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 3: as I said said hut, my mouthpiece falls out of

1139
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 3: my mouth. Freaking defensive guys are like, what an idiot?

1140
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 3: So that was embarrassing. And then I think one of

1141
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 3: the worst ones was it was my second year I

1142
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 3: got these for Mike, Petton and Rex in the defensive room.

1143
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 3: I put a bunch of stink bombs everywhere and crushed

1144
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 3: them in their room right before meeting. And dude, they

1145
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 3: were pissed, so pissed that they got the keys to

1146
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 3: my car when we were out of practice, undid the

1147
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 3: sun roof and had this guy show up at the

1148
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 3: facility and then flooded my entire car. They fill the

1149
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 3: entire car with pats and then closed it so when

1150
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 3: I opened the doors, just flooded peanuts. So yeah, that

1151
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,919
Speaker 3: was that was a good little welcome to the NFL

1152
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 3: and don't mess at the defensive room kind of deal.

1153
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 2: So I just love the creativity of the hazing and

1154
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 2: the get backs.

1155
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the unlimited amount of money we're willing to

1156
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: spend to get you back, Like there is no end,

1157
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: but that will spend thousands of dollars, yes, to prove

1158
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 1: a point.

1159
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 2: Remember the alligator.

1160
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, you cut an alligator.

1161
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 2: He got reviewing with the alligator.

1162
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: That's a whole in his personal hour, like peanuts up

1163
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: at like five am.

1164
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 2: That's pull off.

1165
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 3: It's so worth it.

1166
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 1: It is so worth it. Fake big old fake alligator,

1167
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: like a five foot alligator just looks very real too.

1168
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 2: He scared everybody for a whole day in the house. Also,

1169
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 2: it's great.

1170
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 1: All right, you talked about your welcome to the NFL.

1171
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: How about your your welcome to marriage?

1172
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 2: Oh moment?

1173
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, what was like?

1174
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: And do you have any advice because we all stink at.

1175
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 3: It over here, so like I'm an expert, I'm like

1176
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 3: three months.

1177
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's what I'm saying.

1178
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 2: That nothing You're not gonna get any better than where

1179
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 2: you're at right now.

1180
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 3: I think Ry Perry plant an incredible an incredible wedding,

1181
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 3: and my thing was like I was just happy she

1182
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 3: invited me.

1183
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: You know, like video looked great, she uh colors, she

1184
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: nailed all that.

1185
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 3: And she picked out like ninety nine percent of it.

1186
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 3: Every occasionally I'd get to input a little bit, give

1187
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 3: a little input, but she dialed it all in. And

1188
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 3: I'm so lucky to have somebody who balances me out right,

1189
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 3: because I can go like hard charger, no feelings, just

1190
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 3: like I got to get this done, like let's go.

1191
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 3: We want to be the best broadcast team, you know.

1192
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 3: And she's just such a good balance of like, hey,

1193
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 3: let's take a step back, relax minute, the world's not

1194
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 3: over today, Like let's just hang in there and just

1195
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 3: give a little time to the fam. Let's, you know,

1196
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 3: do some other stuff. Get your mind off of that

1197
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 3: for a second, and then you'll be refreshed ready to roll.

1198
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 3: So she's perfect balance for me. And we had so

1199
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 3: much fun, so much fun at the wedding. Honeymoon we

1200
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 3: went to Safari in Africa, which was incredible. Dude, I

1201
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 3: highly recommend if you guys haven't gone, but I've never

1202
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 3: seen like nature like that. It's like watching in Africa.

1203
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 3: We went Kenya, and Tanzania. Okay, and so it's we

1204
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 3: saw the great migration of the wilde beest. Two million

1205
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 3: wildebeest in every direction that you can see through binoculars

1206
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 3: and in front of your face, like it's like twenty

1207
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 3: five feet they're right next to you and they just

1208
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 3: go NonStop and they're moving through the camp. And it

1209
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 3: was incredible, man, watching these lions hunt. And it was

1210
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 3: you see giraffes nursing baby lion cubs nursing like it

1211
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 3: was beautiful, man, it was. It was really cool. And

1212
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 3: that was once again her, she planned it all with

1213
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 3: this incredible travel planner. So now time, what were the

1214
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 3: mosquitos like, No mosquito.

1215
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: They were bad, not as bad as that was a

1216
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: question I never would have thought about.

1217
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 3: Are they on you like that? Because they're usually on

1218
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 3: her too. They attack certain people. I think it's the thing.

1219
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 3: It's either a blood type or like your temperature. It's

1220
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 3: something they like black people. I guess I don't know, dude,

1221
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 3: I get ate up. See I'm not terrible. My wife is.

1222
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 3: She gets it so bad. But they have all the

1223
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 3: plays out there. Nobody has off or like any of

1224
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 3: the stuff we sell here in the us. You know

1225
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 3: what they have, like the regular stuff that's in plants,

1226
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 3: you know, and they like strip down some plans and

1227
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 3: rub it on you. They got the peppermint, like natural

1228
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 3: vanilla this or whatever. And it was like, oh, you

1229
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 3: don't need all that other stuff.

1230
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 2: We don't even need it.

1231
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so waste money, dude. And it was it was

1232
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: it was really cool to see that.

1233
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 3: You know, you literally see the mosquitos come near and

1234
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 3: it's like the natural stuff and there's you making you

1235
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 3: turn gone. It was really cool.

1236
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 2: That's cool. So Mount Rushmore four people?

1237
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: Okay, what is your personal Mount Rushmore of people that

1238
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,720
Speaker 1: have had success in childhood, high school, college, NFL just out.

1239
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 2: Your entire life?

1240
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 3: Good lord, I mean, sheesh, Pop's got to be on there.

1241
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 3: I mean there's four places, which is perfect because I

1242
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,919
Speaker 3: have two brothers, my dad and my mom. That's that's

1243
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 3: a no brainer. I think man like mentors and stuff.

1244
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 3: Coach Carrol's got to be on there. I think Bob Johnson,

1245
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 3: my high school coach, has got to be on there.

1246
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 3: Oh man, this is a hard one. Yeah. When it

1247
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 3: comes to just straight up football, I mean whether it's

1248
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 3: Aaron or Tom Brady, a man, I think ability throwing

1249
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 3: the ball. Wise, it's got to be Aaron. If it's

1250
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 3: accomplishments and super Bowls and winning and all the records,

1251
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 3: he said, it's got to be Tom.

1252
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: Man.

1253
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think. Yeah, because all the time, all time,

1254
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 3: all time favorite athlete ever was Kobe Bryant. Probably second

1255
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 3: would be Carson Palmer. And I was Carson's ball boy

1256
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 3: and water boy when he was in high school. Really yeah,

1257
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 3: like I Carson was like my dog. So Coach Carroll

1258
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 3: had to make this tape, this highlight tape of plays

1259
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 3: that Carson ran and plays that I ran when I

1260
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 3: filled in for John David Boody for three games moving

1261
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 3: into the next year. Because I would only go in

1262
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 3: the office and watch Carson tape. I would watch all

1263
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 3: old film of him, Norm Chow and all these guys,

1264
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 3: Big Tom West, Coast, Kelly Freaking Mike Williams, like all

1265
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 3: these guys. Right. So Pete had to make this like

1266
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 3: fifteen play clip and it went, Carson play my play,

1267
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,479
Speaker 3: Carson played my play, And they're almost identical plays because

1268
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 3: we're running the same offense. So it's like, you know,

1269
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 3: play action to left, boot out to the right, throw

1270
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 3: the deep comeback on the run, boom, Carson does it.

1271
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 3: I do it. And so after the the matchup or

1272
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 3: after the mashup of the tape, Coach Carrol's like, what

1273
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 3: did you see? And I said, Carson's awesome. He goes,

1274
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 3: all right, every play we put in there like look,

1275
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 3: and he showed me the description of all the place.

1276
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 3: He's like, you did exactly what Carson did. I need

1277
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 3: you to be our quarterback. I need you to be

1278
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 3: Mark Sanchez, not Mark Sanchez trying to be Carson Palmer.

1279
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 3: Take Carson off the pedestel, and I need you to

1280
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 3: be yourself and be our starter because you're gonna be

1281
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 3: our starter this year. And that's kind of how he

1282
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 3: told me, like that was and I was like, damn,

1283
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 3: so like that is how I resonate with or how

1284
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 3: Coach Carrol resonates with.

1285
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 2: Yah.

1286
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 3: Sure, ever, forget that of him making me me and go.

1287
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 3: You know, I had to get through something to get

1288
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 3: where I wanted to go, and he knew part of

1289
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 3: that was taking Carson down well, respecting him of course,

1290
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 3: but so yeah, that that kind of encompasses two of

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Speaker 3: those guys that I love.

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Speaker 1: I think it's really cool how sometimes not all people

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Speaker 1: have like this over this confidence to where we still

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Speaker 1: need to be told we.

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Speaker 2: Do it, that we can achieve.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, believe in yourself and that you got it all.

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Speaker 2: We just need you to go do it. So that's

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Speaker 2: that's really special. Man.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you showing sharing all your stories. Mark Man, it's

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Speaker 1: been a it's been a blessing man. Thank you, Bro,

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys. We're gonna hang out more. You guys

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Speaker 1: are in something. Yeah, I'm winning. We ain't doing nothing

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Speaker 1: to that.

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Speaker 2: I need to go to Dana Point I used to

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Speaker 2: live on. So yeah, that's what's up. That's what's up.

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Speaker 1: Hey man, I'm just trying to go appreciate it. I'm

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Speaker 1: just trying to go, who am I kid? We're gonna

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Speaker 1: get three holes for you? Yeah, for sure, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: get We're gonna get three or four holes for you.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get around and golf at the hotel.

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Speaker 2: Thanks man. Hey, I'm Peanut Tubman.

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Speaker 1: This Roman, that's Mark and this is the NFL players

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Speaker 1: Second Ass Podcasts and we out and uh also I

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Speaker 1: know we're out, but I want to thank our listeners

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Speaker 1: as always because they're the ones that make all this

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Speaker 1: thing go, and so thank you.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 1: Continue to tell a friend, to tell a friend, to

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Speaker 1: tell a friend. Wherever you listen or pick up your

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Speaker 1: podcast that was Apple Podcast or iHeartRadio, please continue to

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Speaker 1: tune in and follow us.

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Speaker 2: Hit click follow, give us a review. Let's do this thing.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: We're out one hundred damations. We out