1 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: So we've been talking a lot about Kanye. And when 2 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: I mean we, I mean I, but frankly everyone, I 3 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: mean I guess at a certain point, Uh, the Kanye Chronicles, 4 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: we're the conicals k and we're uh trending above the 5 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: super Bowl and wild people are making jokes and talking 6 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: about it. It is obviously no laughing matter. And I 7 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: talked on here about the fact that it's a cautionary 8 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: tale because it's something that you can all learn from. 9 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 1: We can all learn from as it pertains to breakups 10 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: and divorce and emotional challenges. It's obvious that Kanye is 11 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: going through something. I only ever really want to talk 12 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: about it here meaning popular culture or sort of fodder 13 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: and gossip if it has some deeper meaning, some deeper 14 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: lesson and where it's sort of just shining a light 15 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: on an issue that we can all discuss. So basically, 16 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: I was in a relationship with someone who had erratic 17 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: emotional tendencies. Uh. Some of that I later found out 18 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: was substance based, some of that was just their basic 19 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: emotional genetic DNA makeup and emotional times and breakups and 20 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: major traumatic stress events can really exasperate something like that. 21 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: A breakup. A divorce is traumatic. There was a debate 22 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: on the Housewives between Dorinda and Sonja how Sonya felt 23 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: that it was like a death and Durnda felt that 24 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: was belittling the death of her husband. And I actually 25 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: did agree with Sonya that for certain people, a divorce 26 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: can be a death. I know the person is still around, 27 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: but that could even be more traumatizing because you have 28 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: to think about them with someone else, or you have 29 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: to just know that exist or the hope of getting 30 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: back together, or uh, the memory of what once was 31 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: seeing them with someone else in this new life, and 32 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: you wish you did everything differently. I mean, there's so 33 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 1: many things that can happen. But I was in a 34 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: relationship with someone and I used to say in my mind, 35 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: and don't take this this terminology wrong. The freaks come 36 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: out at night. While Kanye does post during the day, 37 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: at night you get his free association of thought, you 38 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: get a different brand of texting. Now, in my case, 39 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: that seemed to be substance fueled. It seems like something's 40 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: going on at night that's heightening the conversation, and it's 41 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: usually something that the person regrets the next day. And 42 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: we all know, emotions flare up. Your home alone, the 43 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: idle mind is a devil's playground. While Kanye was spending 44 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: time with Julia buying clothes and buying baby perkins for 45 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: all her friends. That will activate you. That's something that 46 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: could sort of keep you on adrenaline. During the day. 47 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: You can work, you can go, uh, you know, meet 48 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: up with friends, you can be busy. At night, people 49 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: have their own lives and their own families, and that's 50 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: when we are all really left alone. That's when Valentine's 51 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: Day can trigger. That's when any family event can trigger. 52 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: So clearly there's been an emotional trigger, and it's at night, 53 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: and it seems to be fueled by something other than 54 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: just uh, jealousy. And I know there's an emotional component 55 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 1: no there, And I'm no expert or doctor on emotional 56 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: issues or psychological or mental health issues, but something is 57 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: definitely going on. But what I also thought about in 58 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: dealing with a situation like this, I've dealt with two 59 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: sides to this. I've dealt with this situation where a 60 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: person was at night sending me very emotional text, I'm 61 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: in love with you, You're the love of my life. 62 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: I dream about you, and then these like poetic, long 63 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: litany and they're almost intoxicating, like you feel loved. It's it's, it's, 64 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit like water boarding you. You 65 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: almost believe it because it seems so over the top 66 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: and overwhelming that it it feels a lot like like 67 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: of and it may be it's a hybrid thing, so 68 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: that I'm just gonna put that to the side. In addition, 69 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: thinking of the other person in that relationship, to kim 70 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: of it all, I was in a situation where a 71 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:19,799 Speaker 1: different ex partner would send hundreds and thousands of emails 72 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: badgering me, saying negative things about me, abusing me, emotionally, 73 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: beating me up. You're old, you're ugly, You're irrelevant, l 74 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: O L. I heard you had a bad day today 75 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: because something was bad in the press or oh my god, 76 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: um what a loser. I mean really bad stuff. And 77 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: it was it was every day. It was systematic. It 78 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: was it beat me down, it almost killed me. It 79 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: went on for a long time. But it comes in 80 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: different waves. And I'm recognizing a lot of this in 81 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: this behavior because another wave was for months, this X 82 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: of mine was c seeing someone that I was dating 83 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: every single day on every email could be about my 84 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: daughter's range docket or boots. And they were see seeing 85 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: this person just to embarrass me and make me look 86 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: at Oh l O L you're ugly and irrelevant. Ha ha, 87 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: this happened. But see seeing this person that I was 88 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: in a relationship with to the point where this person 89 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: had to send a season desist, a legal season to 90 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: assist to my ex. And it was like it was trolling, 91 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: it was harassing, it was stalking, and I was dealing 92 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: with all of this privately, Which brings me to the 93 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: fact that there is it's a horrible thing that Kim 94 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,679 Speaker 1: has to go through because first and foremost the kids matter, 95 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: and that she's actually experiencing this, and if we're seeing 96 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: a slice of it, it's much greater. But and and 97 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: there's the power that Kanye has of the media, but 98 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: there's some sense of validation to it also for her, 99 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: we're all seeing, wow, this is really crazy. People are 100 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,119 Speaker 1: feeling sympathetic towards her, and people are feeling her pain 101 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: and and and seeing some of what she's dealt with. 102 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: And for me personally, I did not have that validation. 103 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: Everyone thought, oh, you know that I'm unlovable or I'm 104 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to get into because I 105 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: don't like to dis gossip for the sake of gossip. 106 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: It only has to be about the lesson. I don't 107 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: want to talk about anyone else, particularly because there are 108 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: kids involved. But um, in my particular situation, I was 109 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: just advised just be quiet, keep your head down. You 110 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: can't defend yourself. One day the truth will come out. 111 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: And that was literally almost a decade for me, and 112 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: the truth was just sitting there, and I was just 113 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: this person that was this famous person who was in 114 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: a relationship with just a regular, poor victim. And I 115 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: just had to take the punches every day. I took 116 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: the punches in the press, I took the punches when 117 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: I was doing my my radio show. I took the 118 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: punches all the time. I was the villain for a while, 119 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: and no one could see what was going on. The 120 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: only thing I'll say is that Kanye is doing all 121 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: of this so publicly that people are seeing what's going on. 122 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: It's incredibly sad for the kids. But some people are 123 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: so devious that they really want to be these sales 124 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: people and and be hey, Dan has your golf game? 125 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: Going and be nice to everybody and be, you know, 126 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: the favorite parent um doing all the play dates and 127 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: and and creating this whole, you know, hokey salesperson image. 128 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: But at home they're really making you suffer and and 129 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: and abusing you. And I'm sure many of you know 130 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: exactly what I'm talking about. You could be the person 131 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: in the relationship that is maybe the more out there person, 132 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: and you may be the more controversial person. And then 133 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: maybe your partner is the popular one. They're the one 134 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: who's more of a salesperson. They put the big show 135 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,119 Speaker 1: on for everybody, and they're more loved. But what goes 136 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: on behind closed doors is something that most people don't 137 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: know about. So whatever is going on behind closed doors 138 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: with Cam and Kanye is not our business. Uh. And 139 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: I've mentioned before that he's doing himself a disservice as 140 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: it pertains to the welfare of his children and custody. 141 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: But there's a lot that goes on behind closed doors 142 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: because people put out there what they want the public 143 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: to see, and both of them can't necessarily say all 144 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: that goes on behind closed doors because the media and 145 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: the public is a dangerous game. Number one is just 146 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: the most important about the kids, and this is very, 147 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: very sad for kids, and to be part of a 148 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: public machine is really unfortunate for kids. And many people 149 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: really parade their kids out from day one, and there 150 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: is no way to know the harmful effects of that. Uh. 151 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 1: There's no way for us to think that it's absolutely 152 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 1: great for us to just be promoting our children all 153 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: the time if they're too young to emotionally understand what 154 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: that means. There's no way. I as a parent who 155 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: I am. I am a fairly public person. I have 156 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: a daughter, and I choose my own path. There are 157 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 1: some people that post pictures and blur their entire kids 158 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: face out. I think that is an interesting choice. Don't 159 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: post your child if you're gonna put like a sticker 160 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: in front of your kid, because then it might make 161 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: them feel weird they're the kid with no face. Uh. 162 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: And I don't believe in just posting your children ad 163 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: nauseam every single moment that they experienced and everything they do. 164 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: I think there's a balance based on the fact there's 165 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 1: social media in the world right now and kids are 166 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: part of it, and tweens are on TikTok and Instagram, 167 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: and they're aware, and I think like, just like the 168 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: way we eat. Are we supposed to eat our weight 169 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: and bacon and steak and cheese because it's keto or 170 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: because it's atkins? No? But are we supposed to eat 171 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: our weight in in in grains and green juice because 172 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: it's healthy. No. We're supposed to have a somewhat of 173 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: a balance. So there's got to be a balance. So 174 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 1: I don't I believe that there's something provoking Kanye as 175 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: far as the public nature. But he this is the 176 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: life he chose. This is the life they chose, the 177 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: public life. And you can't enter into the public life 178 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: and talk about all of the beautiful and wonderful things 179 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: about a relationship and how great it is, and this 180 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: is the present she bought me and he bought me. 181 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: And look at our life, and look at our money, 182 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: and look at our cars, look at our kids, and 183 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: look at our houses, and look at our awards, and 184 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: look at us at this event and look at my 185 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: amazing fashion and my dress and the love and the 186 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: generosity and the romance and the flirtation and our favorite 187 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 1: song and all of that. And you can't expect us 188 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: to look away when it turns sideways because we were 189 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 1: all there rooting for the dress, the relationship, the jewelry, 190 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: the love, the romance. So we're all interested because we 191 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 1: all are in relationships ourselves and we want to understand 192 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:37,359 Speaker 1: what creates the demise, what happens now. We've been through divorces, 193 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: we've been through breakups, we've been through challenges, and to 194 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: see these people who are on pedestals go through it. Also, 195 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: it's not that misery loves company. It's that challenges that 196 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: other people go through give us comfort because it means 197 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 1: that we are not alone, that we're not the only 198 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: ones going through it. Every time you laugh at a comedian, 199 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: it's because they've said something that you can relate to. 200 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: They might be talking about something sad through humor, but 201 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: you're laughing because, oh, you can relate to that. When somebody, 202 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: God forbid, has breast cancer or a miscarriage, you're watching 203 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: and listening because you've gone through it and it makes 204 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: you feel comfort that someone else has gone through it. 205 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: So the fact that couples go through these hardships, we 206 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: are watching and participating because they brought us on this ride, 207 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: and we're still on the ride. We don't get kicked 208 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: out the minute it gets negative. So if you're a 209 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: public person and you don't want people to talk about you, 210 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: minimize publicity on the way in, so you can minimize 211 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: publicity on the way out. It's like having a prenup. 212 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: It's for when something goes wrong. So don't blow up 213 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: your relationship and every single aspect of it on the 214 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: way in if you don't want people to blow it 215 00:11:47,600 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 1: up on the way out. My guest today is Danica Patrick, 216 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: the most successful woman in American racing. She is widely 217 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: known for her multiple first in the racing space. She's 218 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: the first woman to win an Indie cars race, the 219 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 1: first to host ESPN Sport Awards show, the list goes on. 220 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 1: But she is not only a race car driver. She 221 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: is an interesting person. She's now retired, she is just 222 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: as successful off the track. She's journeyed into entrepreneurship owns 223 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: a clothing business called Warrior by Danica Patrick. Additionally, she 224 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: authored her first book titled Pretty Intense, and even owns 225 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: a vineyard and NAPA for her wine business. Danica's journey 226 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 1: as a sports superstar and businesswoman is full of inspiration. 227 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 1: I hope you find some in her story as we 228 00:12:47,080 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: welcome our guest, Danica Patrick Enjoy. So it's funny because 229 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: I was thinking of you and thinking I've had I'm 230 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 1: becoming this tub for athletes. I've had Lindsay Vaughan here, Apollo. 231 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: Oh no, And I'm thinking, do you it's a sport? 232 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: Do you think of yourself as an athlete? Is that 233 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: a stupid question? I mean it's not totally stupid because 234 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: it's not like I don't think. I think when we 235 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: think of a sport, we think of kind of testing limits. Right, 236 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: you're testing the limits of endurance, you're testing the limits 237 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: of strength, and with racing, you aren't testing quite as 238 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: many of those like physical limits that you would think of. 239 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: You are testing like mental limits. I mean being focused 240 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: for two to five hours is a long span of time. 241 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 1: Um you're testing, I mean you are. I mean endurance 242 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: plays a somewhat of a role, but more in I 243 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: would say hydration is another sort of thing, like body 244 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: because of your dream, because of the adrenaline. That's interesting. 245 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: So it's not you are not exert Is it better 246 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: being relaxed? Like you're not exerting yourself the way that 247 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: an athlete does. I would think you're like the jockey 248 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: in the car. I really don't know what it would 249 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: feel like. Um. It all depends on how relaxed you are, 250 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 1: and all depends on what's going on outside within your 251 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: car as well as within your within your surroundings on 252 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: the track. So if you know, if it's going crazy 253 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: and the and the car handles poorly, like the whole 254 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: thing is much more, much more exhausting. Um. Now, if 255 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: the car handles really well and you have a good race, 256 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: everything smooth, and it's much less taxing. So you know, 257 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: one of the things too, is that And there's been 258 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: lots of studies on this is just the amount of 259 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: drain on the body, whether you're using the mind or 260 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: the body is um so muscles and physically or mentally. 261 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of studies on just how how 262 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: absolutely taxing on the body it can be. Actually, I 263 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: think Tony Robbins talks about this. The amount of energy 264 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: that he expands doing his workshops is like thousands of 265 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: calories a day. And obviously that he's not he's not 266 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: doing his rebounding, but he's he's talking and he's thinking 267 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: and he's engaging, and that that is it's actually a 268 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: lesson that I've learned myself within the sort of physicality 269 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: of wellnesses that I used to think of there being 270 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: like two systems or maybe ten systems, where it's like, 271 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: you know, I used my brain this day, but I 272 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: haven't used my body yet. Or I've used my body, 273 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: but you know, my legs are sore, but my arms 274 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: aren't sore. And I used to just sort of like 275 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: really stack a lot of um limits on my body. 276 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: And then I came to realize the hard way that 277 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: the body is really just one system and it doesn't 278 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: know it's not it's not. It doesn't matter if it's 279 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: coming from your mind or an area of your body. 280 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: It all works the same when it at taxes your body. 281 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: So I'd say racing airs a lot more on the 282 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: mental taxing than the physical taxing of let's say, like 283 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: basketball or football. You know, those are some sports that 284 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: um really require a lot of physicality, right, and you 285 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: don't if you're stressed out, something is probably wrong. You're 286 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: supposed to be sort of in the zone. It's funny 287 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: you say that, because so I'm thin and I'm fit, 288 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: and I don't I hate I say this embarrassed because 289 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: everyone says they don't really have time. I choose sleep, 290 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: and I don't really exercise. I I really, I'll go 291 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: and do it during the summer, I'll do beach walks, 292 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: and tonight I'm gonna take my daughter roller skating, um 293 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: and when I'm away somewhere, I'll try to do yoga. 294 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: But honestly, I don't really exercise. I mean, and it 295 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: changes throughout the year, but regularly I wish I did more. 296 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: But I'm constantly running around, I mean to a level 297 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: and everyone around me thinks, like, how do you eat 298 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: what you eat? And how are you so fit? It's 299 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: because I'm just not sitting still. I'm just running around 300 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: doing one thing the other and my brain is going. 301 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: And I think that, to your point, Tony Robbins point, 302 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: that is an exercise. And years ago I was much 303 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: less busy and worked out NonStop and cared so much 304 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: about what I ate more than I do now, and 305 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: I was much heavier, so it's in much less fit. 306 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: So I think it is interesting being sort of a 307 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: lean machine doesn't necessarily mean sitting on a spinning bike. Yeah, 308 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: I agree, but you also hit on something that's kind 309 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: of interesting too, and that's your thought and energy and 310 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: association with what's going on. So if you feel like 311 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: you don't look good, or you feel like you're reaching 312 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: really hard for a certain physical look, there's that sort 313 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: of opposite resistance going on where you don't where you 314 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: you're you're afraid you won't get it, or you think 315 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: you look a certain way. And so you know, when 316 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: you think a certain thing is going to make you fat, 317 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: or not working out is going to make you unfit 318 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: or unfat like those things, your body is not hearing 319 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: i'm fit, it's hearing I'm fat. I couldn't agree more. 320 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: I can't believe you're saying this. I believe energetically that 321 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: when you don't feel good about something, or you're binging, 322 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: or anxiety about anxiety, anxiety on if that's a word 323 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: that you're not metabolizing in the same way, it's sort 324 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: of like a self fulfilling prophecy. I really really do believe. 325 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: It's funny you say that that's so true, and it's 326 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: letting go once people. It's the same thing if you 327 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: don't people. I don't have a boyfriend, I want a boyfriend. 328 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: I want to meet someone. I feel it's like a 329 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: self fulfilling prophecy versus I'm happy. It's goods, like a job, 330 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: like anything. I think it's great. No, well, I never 331 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: thought we'd be on this road and I'm so excited. Um, 332 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: I'm curious, what like a couple of big lessons were 333 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: for you in that area as examples for when you 334 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: were like light bulb, Well, the light bulb happened. I 335 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: was going to Italy. I used to always I was. 336 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: I was living in New York. I was single, and 337 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: I used to be in my apartment. I would go 338 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: out and then I would binge, and then I would 339 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: juice fast or not eat for days, and then I 340 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: would binge. And it was like a cycle. And it 341 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: was more of an emotional cycle and not purge. I've 342 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: never had it. I've never thrown up, but um, just 343 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: be emotional about it, emotional about food. And I was 344 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: going to Italy, And what would happen in the past 345 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: is I would go to a place like Italy er Spain. 346 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: I would try to eat vegetables and eat really healthy, 347 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: and then the last day I would just eat like 348 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: a pound of pie or pasta. Because your body's rebelling, 349 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: you wanted it all you deprived yourself and then you 350 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: just did it, and you then beat yourself up, and 351 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: then you're gonna come home and you're gonna be good 352 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: because you were bad. And it's an emotional roller coaster. 353 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: And this one trip I went and I said, I'm 354 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: going to enjoy Italy and I'm going to My diet 355 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: is going to be a bank account. And it became 356 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: if you're gonna have the bread, then you don't need 357 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: the dessert. But at that meal, you have the wine. 358 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: If you're gonna have a small pasta, you eat the 359 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: small gelato, but everything smaller there, and you're just getting 360 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: a full fat cappuccino, but it's not the size of Texas, 361 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: like every drink here. And it just became this balance. 362 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: And that's when I wrote my book Naturally Thin, about 363 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: food not being your best friend or your enemy, about 364 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: quality versus quantity, about never binging, but that you never 365 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: no one ever got fat on a cookie or a 366 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 1: piece of pizza. So it became game a principle in 367 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: and no one wanted to buy that book because they 368 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: all said it needs to be ten days to twenty 369 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: pounds or some you know, promise of some bullshit egg 370 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: white omelet that you're supposed to want to eat on 371 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: a Tuesday. And I said, that's not what life is. 372 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 1: If on Tuesday your PMS you're eating chocolate cake, just 373 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: don't eat the whole cake. And if you eat the cake, 374 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: have salmon and salad for dinner, like balance it out. 375 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: So that was the AHA moment and it changed everything 376 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: for so many people. But certain hard thing is is 377 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: it takes that proof sometimes right is to get to 378 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: that point, to have an epiphany, to actually allow yourself 379 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 1: to get into that space. Did you come back from 380 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: that Italy trip that you went on after did you 381 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: come back from that one? Look, same jeans, all good? 382 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: And then you were free? But also because you have 383 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: been shackled for so many years on this ride of 384 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: good bad. And I have younger girls that work with me, 385 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: and I see them on that ride, you know, because 386 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 1: they don't they're afraid. You're free. I'm afraid to eat. 387 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: I'll be bad. I was bad this weekend, So I'm 388 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: not eating this. I may I see it. You know, 389 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: youth is waste it on the young. Oh my god, 390 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: I just said the line that's so true. I just 391 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: was having this conversation. I was interviewing somebody and I, oh, 392 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: I think I was interviewing Robert Green, and I was like, 393 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: my old boss had told me this saying a long 394 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: long time ago, and he said, the youth has wasted 395 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: on the young. And he was like, no kidding. He's 396 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: written like the forty eight Laws of Power, the Art 397 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: of Seduction Mastery. Um. His new book is Daily Laws. 398 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: But anyway, he's a really like prophetic writer and um, 399 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 1: and he totally agreed. But I think about that all 400 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: the time from a physicality stand like just kind of 401 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: your body. I think about that also from a learning standpoint, 402 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: mostly where I'm like, oh god, I love learning now 403 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: I'm I mean I was just listening. Yeah, I was 404 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,239 Speaker 1: flipping off a YouTube video that I was listening to 405 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: learning about something just before we started, and I have 406 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: music kind of like yoga music in the background. I mean, 407 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: I just consumed, consume, consume, And so the youth is 408 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: wasted on the young for sure. Um, But I mean 409 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of interesting. I'm the whole dynamic gets 410 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: we're just you know, another aspect, like we're just meaning 411 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: making machines. So we take this, you know, cookie, and 412 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: we go fat we take this broccoli and we go skinny. 413 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: It's like we have to make everything means something exactly, 414 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: except probably the emotional ship that's going on. And then 415 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: we go, oh, that's their fault. We don't look at 416 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 1: how that. We don't look at how that actually is 417 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: looking at ourselves in some way, or how we react 418 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 1: to it or associate with it. We just look at 419 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: everything like, oh, push it away. It's not it's not me. 420 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: That's unbelievable, it's so true. All right, well I can't. 421 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: We went on a road, which I'm so happy we took. 422 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: So I keep using road because we're your driver. So um, 423 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 1: all right, So you it seems like you grew up, 424 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: was it we did? You grew up in a middle 425 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,719 Speaker 1: class family, working class? Yeah, we're working middle I mean 426 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: they started off really poor. I mean, spend their last 427 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: hundred dollars on a picnic table, um, you know when 428 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: they before they had my sister and I and um. 429 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: But then my parents built a business and you know 430 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: we were able to, you know, go racing, and my 431 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: parents paid for it. So you know, we've became more 432 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: middle class for sure. Now why racing? How does somebody 433 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: really get into that? If that's not what your parents do. 434 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: That's the thing, because I grew up at the racetrack, 435 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: horse racing, which is very you know, it's everybody's related 436 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: at the racetrack. But so to get into something that 437 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: your parents weren't doing, how does that happen? Well, that sport, 438 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: my I mean, my dad wasn't a professional driver, my 439 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: mom wasn't, but my dad did. So my mom and 440 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: dad actually met on a blind date at a snowmobile 441 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: race when they were in their early twenties. And so 442 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: my dad was racing snowbills at the time and my 443 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: mom was there with a friend and this friend set 444 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: him up on a date, a blind date. And her 445 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: name was Sue. And that's why my middle name is Sue, 446 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: because it worked out and they got married and and 447 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: then you know, my sister and I I'm the oldest, 448 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: and then my younger sister two years later. Um, but yeah, 449 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: my parents had had us pretty quickly, and so, um, 450 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: so there is racing in the family. So they're they're 451 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: a love of racing for sure. Um. My dad raised snowmobiles. First, 452 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: he raised motor cross then he raised snowmobiles, then he 453 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: raised midgets, which is the sort of dirt car on 454 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: an oval um and then he quit racing once my 455 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: sister was born. Okay, but so how do you get 456 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: into cars from snowmobiles? As it's just this world in 457 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: the town that you are that this is racing, all 458 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: different sort of vehicles you can get anywhere. Within racing, 459 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: I would say, like it's this interesting sport. It's good 460 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: and bad because there's no real there's no real route, 461 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: but there's also interesting. But there's also a lot of routes, right, 462 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: like look at it one way or the other. Um, 463 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: as opposed to basketball. You go to high school and 464 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: then you go to college, and then from college you 465 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: get draft. I mean like it's just one route. Um, 466 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,479 Speaker 1: so you can go many different routes. But I started 467 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: out in go karts, So my dad did all of 468 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: his kind of racing, and then go karts was what 469 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: we actually started racing, my sister and I. So my 470 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: sister was eight and I was ten, and she was 471 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: the one who really wanted to do it. Me I, I 472 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: I just said it fun for fun, just for something 473 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,239 Speaker 1: to do together as a family. My dad worked a 474 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: ton and my mom's places off the highway. You go 475 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: go cart racing. Yeah, I'm fun. Not a fun cart track, 476 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: but a real go kart track. So they start it 477 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: was a road course, so it was a payot road 478 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: course and um but yeah, you had to build your 479 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: own go kart and you had to register and qualify 480 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: and performing heats and then the race. So it wasn't 481 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: a fun cart track. But I mean for all visual purposes, 482 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: it's kind of like that. Okay, So you started doing 483 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: it just for fun and just racing other people, and 484 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: then are you winning money or just winning medals? Like what? What? What? 485 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: This is a week every weekend you're going and you're 486 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: doing this trophies. Um. I started winning halfway through my 487 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: first year. My sister quit pretty quick. She didn't like it. 488 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: She got bumped around a lot and didn't like that. 489 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 1: And I liked it, and I kept getting better, and 490 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: then I started winning halfway through the year. And I 491 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: also set the track record um for the class that 492 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: I was in. Um, so I got good pretty quick. 493 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: I really liked Apparently I didn't know this until later 494 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: in life, but apparently I would ask my dad all 495 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: the time to go to the track on Wednesday nights 496 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: to go practice because apparently there was one open practice 497 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: day a week you could go and um, I don't 498 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: remember that, but I love like it's it's fun to 499 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: do things that are instant gratification. And that was the case, right. 500 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: It was lap times. So you go out there and 501 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: you do like a thirty five point five and then 502 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: you like thirty five seconds and five tenths, and then 503 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: you go out and make a changing, you know, maybe 504 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: you change your driving, maybe change the set up, and 505 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: you go out and you do a thirty five point 506 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: two and you go three tenths quicker, like it's it's 507 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: like vable. Yeah, So it was funny. I love that. 508 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: That's funny because I was speaking out Pollo oh No 509 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: literally yesterday and he was talking in a similar fashion 510 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: and saying that for business, for things that take nurturing 511 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: and time, it's it's counterintuitive to him even though good 512 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,719 Speaker 1: businesses sometimes you have to plant the seeds and wade. 513 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: And it's just it's funny talking to two different people 514 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: in two different sports about that similar principle. And also 515 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: he was just instantly successful, like like you are, and 516 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: but you weren't. Was this big fish small pond or 517 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: this is this is an area where people are really 518 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: taking this seriously? This this go cart racing medium? Medium. 519 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: I mean I think it was a small town, small 520 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: town track. Um, you know, I mean yeah, medium. I 521 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: think the South is pretty big for it if you 522 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: go around the Charlotte area, like where NASCAR's home is, 523 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: or um, sort of dirt racing in Indiana in that 524 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: area where Indian Indie fire is and pavement. But um, 525 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: but yeah, i'd say it's medium. I mean, it's not 526 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere. But right, so you're winning, So 527 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: so how do you know you've got something because you're 528 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: in you're not in the epicenter of this thing, and 529 00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: you're still young. And how old are you at the time. 530 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: I'm ten, um, and so yeah, so I'm ten, and 531 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: I I would say that the fact that okay, I 532 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 1: won on that level. And a lot of these stories 533 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: are from my dad because I don't really remember how 534 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,479 Speaker 1: it went, but he said, you know, I kept taking 535 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: you to the next level to see how you do 536 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: with the next level of competition, and so then we 537 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: would go regionally and then I won regionally, and then 538 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: we went national, and then I won nationally and so 539 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: like as you progress like that, Um, my dad was like, 540 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I just kept challenging you and you kept 541 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 1: being able to do it, and so that's kind of 542 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: when you know you've got something and you are enjoying it. Yeah, 543 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, the very interesting this is like the 544 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, for sure, I've always loved racing, but 545 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: I never, like, I loved aspects of racing. And I 546 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: think this is something important across the board with people 547 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: and what they do for work, is that well, I 548 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: don't think racing itself was like the most important part. 549 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: It was aspects within it. So and I guess I 550 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: learned this on the back end, like a lot of 551 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: times we learned things backwards, right we were at the end, 552 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: We're like, oh, that's what that was for, you know, um. 553 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: But I would say at the end, because of what 554 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: went away, I realized what I loved about it, which 555 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: was I loved the I loved setting a goal and 556 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: achieving it. I loved the journey. I loved um progressing, 557 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: and I loved having hope that the next race to 558 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: the next season was going to be a better season. 559 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: And once that came to an end, or once I 560 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: felt like it was going to come to an end, 561 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: and there was just like, I'm not going to drive 562 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: for that team anymore. It might be this team. Um, 563 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: I you know, things were just sort of declining, and 564 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: I was like that, I don't want to do it anymore, 565 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: and so I didn't. And I guess the an example 566 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: is like I don't go to the races for fun. 567 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: I don't want I don't watch a ton of racing 568 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: for fun. I think that every athlete, at least all 569 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,719 Speaker 1: the ones that I've talked to, there is um a 570 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: little bit of retreat mode that happens when you're done 571 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: with your sport. You kind of just you don't have 572 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: a good Really I talked to Dorothy Hamile about this. 573 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: You need to develop a new relationship with it. You 574 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: just casually getting into a car and strolling around or 575 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: whatever like that, and you're talking like there at the track, 576 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: and it's like there's like this intermission where you have 577 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: to like take a pause. And it's not that you're like, 578 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: you're just like I don't care. I don't care. And 579 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: so and what I find now is that I retired 580 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: in full to you get full on something. Yeah, you know, 581 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: and there's a reason why you're done, right if you 582 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: weren't you still keep doing it. So you know, now 583 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: I find myself like doing races, like doing broadcasting for 584 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: the Indie five hundred and for Formula one, and now 585 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,959 Speaker 1: I'm going to do some NASCAR races and more Formula 586 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: one races, and so now I find myself this year 587 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I'm back to like a 588 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: half season of racing again. You know. But if you're 589 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: redefining the relationship exactly split the sport, what about well, wow, 590 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: I thought of so many things when I was When 591 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: you're just talking, so you're a person like myself at 592 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: the tables go cold, you walk out, You're okay with that, 593 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: like when you don't you want to be the best, 594 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: You want to be optimum and the best, or you 595 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: don't need to do it. But not in a bitter way. 596 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: It's just like, we're good. I had my moment, my 597 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: big long moment, and I was the best, and it 598 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: probably felt the best. To be the best at something. 599 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: That's another thing you didn't mention about the journey. But 600 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: being even no matter what it is, being just the 601 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: best at something is good. Like on it sounds so 602 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: stupid to compare myself to you, but being on the 603 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: real house. I was going into a trip when I'd 604 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: come two days later than anybody else and leave one 605 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: day earlier, and the producers would say, we edited out 606 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: when you weren't there. We need you there because all 607 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: the magic happens when you're there. Because you're like, you know, 608 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: it sounds stupid. You like walking in and being like, 609 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: that's happening, that's happening. To put this together, to da 610 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: duck and piece out so you are the best that 611 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: you want to be the best. There's an aspiration to 612 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: do a good job and bring your a game. And um, also, 613 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: the ego just loves it, you know. And we all 614 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: have an ego, and the point is to not get 615 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: rid of it. It's to create a healthy relationship with 616 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: it and not let it lead your life. So what 617 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: it success mean to you as a child? What does 618 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: it mean now? Um, you know you're redefining your relationship 619 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: with a sport, but extending relevance, success, business, money, like 620 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: that whole pot. Well, it's an interesting question because as 621 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: you get older, Um, you know, I think that we 622 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: have a narrow focus at some point when we're young, 623 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: and then it just kind of keeps getting more and 624 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: more broad. So success at one point looked like you know, 625 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: if you answer, oh, it would be a half a 626 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: million dollars and um, you know, win this or get 627 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: promoted to that or own that or build this. Like 628 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: there's this sort of more um superficial or um tangible 629 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: things that are like uh you could you could recognize 630 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: with a result um, but as you get older, like 631 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: success is, success is a state of mind kind of 632 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: It's like your state of being and you know, do 633 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: you have a life that allows you to be able 634 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: to be in that state of being more often? And 635 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that there aren't you know, efforts and 636 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,719 Speaker 1: you know things that have to go on that are 637 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: um that take time and time and and are frustrating, 638 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: but you know you've got it. You have a big 639 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: bit of a grander view of it. So I mean 640 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: success is really about for me, um number one adventure 641 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: and being able to um have independence and time. I 642 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: think that's still sort of like a part of me 643 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: that's healing from all those days of racing from ten 644 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: till thirty seven where my my schedule was not my 645 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: own schedule, Like I was always at the mercy of 646 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: that's racing, and that's drill itself as well as testing 647 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: and a sponsor appearance like you name it. It was 648 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: not my time, and um so I think I'm still 649 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: kind of healing that, Like I'm about to go on 650 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,439 Speaker 1: a retreat for nine days and people think that's long, 651 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,479 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh no, I'm stoked, like I never 652 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: got to do this kind of thing before. Um So, 653 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: so that kind of stuff feels really good. You don't define, 654 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 1: you define your I define my life by the empty 655 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: space is like getting that time to breathe, not being 656 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: jammed up. And I that was in Jones Rivers documentary 657 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: how she said that she sort of saw her identity 658 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: or defined herself by the days that she was busy, 659 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,919 Speaker 1: and I'm the opposite. It's like, how do we get 660 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: to the time where we're not busy? Yeah? And and 661 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: be fulfilled? Right and and so and also so I 662 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: think the first thing that's important to me and that 663 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: what makes me feel like success or happiness in my 664 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: life is too because I think they kind of go 665 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: hand in hand, is is having adventure and having that 666 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: space for that and the means to do that, um 667 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: and then after at is a purpose, right, so fulfillment. 668 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: So I find a lot of purpose and I found 669 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: a lot of fulfillment and growing and learning and seeing 670 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 1: new cultures and going to places and you know, just 671 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: expanding as a person. Um. But I get I think 672 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: it's also for me. It's very important. I think for everybody, 673 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: we want to be a part of something. So it's 674 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: about growing things. I did a summit, my first ever 675 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: summit um last month with all of my companies because 676 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: I now have enough crap going on that I'm like, 677 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,879 Speaker 1: all right, we need to all like start to work 678 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: together more. We need to all be more importing. I 679 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: know that it's very hard to do and it's important, 680 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: but it's I mean, I do so many things that 681 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: you know, like for instance, like I have two wines 682 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: and now I have a candle company, and it's the 683 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,800 Speaker 1: candles are in wine glasses. So I'm like, look, everything 684 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: I do works together because it comes to me. So 685 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: it's it's it's there's so many pathways here to exponentially 686 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,720 Speaker 1: grow all the businesses. So I had my first summit 687 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: and I was out for a walk in the morning 688 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: before we started that day, and um, I had an 689 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: epiphany that was, you know, just about the message to 690 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: the to the group to start, and what came to 691 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: me was that I wanted them to know that the 692 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 1: meeting was not about the purposes of the company, and 693 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 1: the meeting was not necessarily like how do we make 694 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: Danica money? If that was if I was worried about that, 695 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: I would have sold these businesses a long time ago, 696 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: because they take a long time to get going. Are 697 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: they licensing businesses? Like I make wine? I have two 698 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,439 Speaker 1: different wine companies. Candle contasted the first one, what's the first? 699 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,760 Speaker 1: Did you make it with the guys from Cisco? No? UM, 700 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: I have Insomnium is the red. We make a cabernet. 701 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: It's Napa Valley Napa Valley Wine, UM. And so we 702 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: make two cabs of sab blanc and a rose. And 703 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: then I have a French rose company UM made in Provence. 704 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 1: And what that one's called Danica Rose. I tasted that good. Yeah, 705 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: I had that, But wasn't the the guy I forgot 706 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 1: his name, the guy from own Cisco Breweries in um 707 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,879 Speaker 1: Nantucket was the one who gave it to Oh. Yeah, yeah, 708 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: we we think we sell it quite a bit out there, Okay, 709 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: But I thought that, yeah, there was another guy involved 710 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 1: to Eddie. I think I don't remember how they were involved. Anyway, 711 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: it was good. I like the bottle than thank you. 712 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 1: And so the message that I wanted to give them 713 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: was that, not that it was like, Hey, everybody, here's 714 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,399 Speaker 1: how you're gonna help me make money. I told them. 715 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: I was like, look, this is about how we can 716 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,760 Speaker 1: help people. That's the whole reason why all these companies 717 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: started in the first place. Is to bring value, bring awareness, 718 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: bring expansion to people, whether it's the podcast or the 719 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 1: mission for the wine. You know, the podcast to open 720 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 1: people's minds up. The wine is to make them more 721 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: present with the company that they're with and sharing and 722 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: and and bringing community, like having community with people, um 723 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,320 Speaker 1: and getting back to that old fashioned talking amongst ourselves 724 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,280 Speaker 1: instead of texting. And the candle is about bringing able 725 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: to get more in touch with the sort of spiritual 726 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: side of you because there's intent and and oils and 727 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: scents within the each candle that is curated for purpose. Um. 728 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 1: So anyway, there's always a point to all of my companies. 729 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:10,879 Speaker 1: And so I told him, I was like, look, we're 730 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: here to help people. Yeah, do I want to do 731 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 1: I want to lose money? No, But are we here 732 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: to help people. Number one, Yeah, that's awesome. What about 733 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: being have you? Did you think about man's world, man's 734 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,439 Speaker 1: sport being taken seriously as a woman. Is that something 735 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: that ever came into your mind? Yeah? I did. It 736 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: was pretty well, it was very prevalent. I mean it 737 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: was yeah. I mean I was the only other than 738 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: my sister and I started so other than us as 739 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: as it for girls. And you know, but what did 740 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,399 Speaker 1: you what was your feeling about that? Meaning people often 741 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: ask me that question. I always say I didn't. I 742 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 1: didn't think about it, so so many people do think 743 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: about it or are reminded of it. I had blinders 744 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: and I don't know why. So tell me about your 745 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: perspective on it and what you experienced. I know what 746 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: you're getting at, and um, you know, because I get. 747 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: I used to get, especially when I was in racing, 748 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: asked about being a girl a lot, and UM, what 749 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: I ended up realizing was that it's because I didn't 750 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: think of myself as being different, that I wasn't different 751 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,240 Speaker 1: out there. Like I didn't write, I didn't put certain 752 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: parameters around my expectation levels for myself because of what 753 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,320 Speaker 1: another girl did. Because that's not how I thought of myself, 754 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 1: and so I think that, Um, I think when we associate, 755 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: the more we kind of distill things down to a 756 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: certain ideological bucket of who we are, then we, uh, 757 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: we kind of lose the pure potentiality. You also didn't 758 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: like being on the cover of a magazine and then 759 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 1: being called a sex symbol as a result, because if 760 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 1: it was a man on the cover, it was an athlete, 761 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: you wouldn't he wouldn't be called a sex symbol necessarily 762 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: just because on the cover of a magazine. But then, 763 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 1: and then is that was that the was that the story, 764 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 1: not that I was Matt It was that it's I 765 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 1: don't care call me a sex symbol. It's fine. I 766 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 1: want to be sexy. That's why I'm okay with doing it, 767 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: because I'm not just one thing. I'm not just a 768 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,840 Speaker 1: race car driver. I'm a woman. I am caring, but 769 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: I'm also I want to be sexy. Like we all 770 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 1: want to be a lot of things we're not. We're not. 771 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 1: I think the hard the worst thing that we can 772 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 1: do that makes life the most difficult is when we 773 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: get pigeonholed into being one thing. Then that's all that 774 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,319 Speaker 1: we as a persona are to the world. Well, yeah, 775 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,760 Speaker 1: I didn't like that there was criticism about you marketing 776 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: yourself being attractive or sexy as a driver, as if 777 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 1: you don't have the merit to back that up. Because 778 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 1: we're all, first of all, we're in the land of 779 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: every social media, every filter everything. Why wouldn't you just 780 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,760 Speaker 1: be like, Hi, I'm I'm i'm hot, I'm successful, I'm strong, 781 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 1: I'm good at this, Like, go out with everything you got. 782 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 1: What are you supposed to like, put no makeup on 783 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 1: because you're driving a car. Yeah I didn't wear makeup, 784 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 1: but I'm saying, but you know what I mean, like, 785 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 1: just shave your head bald because you're driving and not 786 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: supposed to be pretty. So I never had a problem 787 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 1: with it. What I did, though, is what I like 788 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: to call out the hypocrisies that existed. So if someone 789 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about how um, you know, uh, their perspective, 790 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 1: their opinion on thinking on me being sexy and photos 791 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 1: outside of the race car and using my sexuality, um, 792 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,800 Speaker 1: I just would like to say, oh, that's not okay. 793 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: But so and so driver posing with a suit down 794 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 1: and no shirt on for a fitness magazine is not 795 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 1: is Okay, So I never cared. I just like to 796 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 1: prove my point the playing fail being even Yeah, that's 797 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 1: makes that makes it you don't care good, right, But 798 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,840 Speaker 1: I get it. That's perfect Um, that makes perfect sense. Um, 799 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: what have you failed at everything until I got better? Um? 800 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 1: But let's see m hmm. I mean, I love the 801 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,319 Speaker 1: I love the thought and the saying. And I don't 802 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: know who's saying it is and I'm gonna I'm not 803 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,839 Speaker 1: getting it exactly right, but that it's that you haven't 804 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,719 Speaker 1: failed until you quit, right, So so really it's a 805 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: matter of I mean, so it's just when you quit, 806 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,320 Speaker 1: that's when you've failed, if you are exiting for some reason. 807 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,920 Speaker 1: So I actually, instead of thinking about what I've failed at. Okay, 808 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 1: look I was not very good at tumbling. That was 809 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,400 Speaker 1: something I wasn't very good at, I would say I 810 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 1: pudo failed at that. Um, but I would say that, 811 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,760 Speaker 1: I would say that, you know, I want to shift 812 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 1: it more to a conversation around quitting, like I said, 813 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 1: and then the lesson of letting go, because again, you 814 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,919 Speaker 1: haven't failed until you quit, and so when you're done 815 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 1: doing something, for instance, racing, it taught me the difference 816 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 1: between quitting and letting go. M hm, that's that's actually 817 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 1: that's true. So quitting is quitting. Yeah, he's like letting go. 818 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 1: I don't like he let go finally and it's like 819 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,759 Speaker 1: you just have to finally get enough signs and have 820 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: a different, enough feeling inside of you that goes like 821 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 1: I'm not as happy as I need to be right now, 822 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 1: and I want to do something else. And so, um, 823 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,799 Speaker 1: and I believe that, you know, I think that we're 824 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: here in this life to grow and evolve, and whenever, 825 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,280 Speaker 1: you know, a new version of you emerges, the old 826 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 1: one has aspects that need to die. And so it's 827 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: like the saying like your old your new life's gonna 828 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,640 Speaker 1: cost your old one. So, you know, I think that 829 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,719 Speaker 1: growing and evolving is a beautiful thing in life. And 830 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,759 Speaker 1: so I realized I was just at a point with 831 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 1: racing where I I just had to let it go. 832 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: It didn't make me as happy as it used to. 833 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,440 Speaker 1: I wasn't I didn't enjoy the atmosphere, the job itself, 834 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,880 Speaker 1: and I wasn't inspired in the aspects of it that 835 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 1: I felt like we're like really feeding my my love 836 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,480 Speaker 1: for being there. Um, Like I talked about at the beginning, 837 00:43:49,520 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 1: so I just I decided to let it go. What 838 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 1: about fear, like, how are you fearless? Have you had 839 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,200 Speaker 1: crazy fears while driving a car? So fat? Like? What 840 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,800 Speaker 1: about anxiety in the car? What about not being present 841 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,880 Speaker 1: and thinking about other things and then thinking about the 842 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,080 Speaker 1: fact that you're not thinking that you're not present in 843 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,479 Speaker 1: that kind of moment where everything matters. I just can't 844 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,759 Speaker 1: imagine what that. That's very Buddhist to sort of get 845 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:31,320 Speaker 1: yourself together. I UM took a trip to uh around 846 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 1: the world, but part of it was to go meet 847 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,440 Speaker 1: the Dalai Lama, and there was a Buddhist monk on 848 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,319 Speaker 1: the trip, and UM, he was telling me that he's like, 849 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,240 Speaker 1: I think you're racing was your moving meditation? And there's 850 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,920 Speaker 1: the truth to that, because you know, you're so present 851 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,279 Speaker 1: with what's going on, and you're so kind of in 852 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,760 Speaker 1: your just dealing with what's happening at that very moment 853 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,480 Speaker 1: all the time. There's not a lot always are you Oh, 854 00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 1: you never are not you have never not been oh. 855 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 1: I mean if you get distracted, sometimes you have a 856 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: pit stop coming up, sometimes you get frustrated with the driver. Um, 857 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,200 Speaker 1: there's lots of stuff that can take you out for 858 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,279 Speaker 1: the moment, but generally the job is to be really 859 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,279 Speaker 1: present and to be really you know, like with the 860 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,560 Speaker 1: car um and so so. Yeah, and then he told 861 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,759 Speaker 1: me I should write a book called The Speed of Consciousness. 862 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:23,920 Speaker 1: And I haven't done that yet, but um but anyway, yeah, yeah, right, books, 863 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,920 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you've written books right there. Just a 864 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 1: lot of work, books, a lot of work and they're endless. 865 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,719 Speaker 1: But fear, have you been really afraid? I know you're 866 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: afraid in the moment? Are you're afraid before or after? 867 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 1: Like you like afraid at the moment of speed? Just 868 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,920 Speaker 1: like this is too much, only with the anticipation of it. 869 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,279 Speaker 1: That's what I was wondering. Yeah, okay, that's interesting. Are 870 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,920 Speaker 1: you lucky or smart? What percentage lucky? What percentage smart? 871 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:53,919 Speaker 1: I like that question? Um m man. Probably. Well, first, 872 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to say that the most important thing to 873 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,280 Speaker 1: getting what you want is believing you can get it. 874 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,239 Speaker 1: It's kind of back to that energy of food that 875 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 1: we talked about, like the right energy, not like grasping 876 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,800 Speaker 1: at something, but you just believe, like when you believe 877 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 1: that already exists, it's the secret. It's like once you 878 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,799 Speaker 1: believe you already have it. It's just it's just kind 879 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,680 Speaker 1: of waiting for it. Um. It's funny. I watched The 880 00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,680 Speaker 1: Secret and then I went and won in Japan an 881 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,360 Speaker 1: Indy car and that was the Indy car race that 882 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 1: I want, And I watched it probably a month or 883 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,319 Speaker 1: two before I went, a month before I went. It 884 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,719 Speaker 1: was a very ironic situation. And then for me to 885 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 1: be able to interview uh rohnda Burn about it afterwards 886 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,439 Speaker 1: was really cool. Like so I just interviewed her six 887 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,960 Speaker 1: months ago or so, I would say, I think, as 888 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:44,080 Speaker 1: I get along in my journey, luck has a little 889 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,400 Speaker 1: bit more to do with alignment, with knowing who you 890 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,399 Speaker 1: are and what you want. And while it seems like luck, 891 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,759 Speaker 1: it's really that you have sort of like dialed your 892 00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,359 Speaker 1: inner compass into what you want so much that you 893 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,719 Speaker 1: can't help but get it like attracted and seat up 894 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,120 Speaker 1: for it. Yeah. I mean, I yeah, you're showing up 895 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,799 Speaker 1: to it. It seems like magic, it seems lucky, but 896 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,800 Speaker 1: really it's it's not. It's because you had the belief 897 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,799 Speaker 1: that something was going to come along and then it 898 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,600 Speaker 1: did it. So yeah, but I would say, you know, 899 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,279 Speaker 1: and smart is something where I used to be very 900 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,640 Speaker 1: dismissive of intelligence because I dropped out of high schoolhen 901 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,640 Speaker 1: I was sixteen. I moved to England. I went racing 902 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,040 Speaker 1: instead of finishing high school and going to college. So 903 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,400 Speaker 1: I kind of went to my own college and um, 904 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,160 Speaker 1: and when I came back, I got my g E D. 905 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,520 Speaker 1: And uh so I got my g E D before 906 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,400 Speaker 1: my friends all graduated. But that's my education, and you 907 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,160 Speaker 1: know it. Only it isn't until the last year, to 908 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,640 Speaker 1: really last couple of years where I'm willing to say, 909 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:53,360 Speaker 1: like willing to say that I'm intelligent, willing to say that, um, 910 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,120 Speaker 1: that I'm smart. Um. And that's mostly because people tell 911 00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: me I am. Like. It took that mirroring. It took me. 912 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,760 Speaker 1: It took for me to see myself and other people 913 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,400 Speaker 1: in the kind of people that I enjoyed being around. Um, 914 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,880 Speaker 1: the kind of things that I did with myself um, um, 915 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:14,040 Speaker 1: outside of anything else, like digesting information, whether be YouTube 916 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,920 Speaker 1: or books or whatever. It is um realizing that um. 917 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,480 Speaker 1: Yeah enough people told me because I would say I'm 918 00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,640 Speaker 1: not smart and they're like, that's not true. And I 919 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,520 Speaker 1: was like, because you don't have a metric, you don't 920 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,400 Speaker 1: have a sort of label going through, you know, graduating 921 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,640 Speaker 1: here or the labels UH, and then UM, your rose 922 00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:38,640 Speaker 1: and your thorn of your career. UM. Probably the rose 923 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,319 Speaker 1: would probably be It's hard to pick because I think that, 924 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,160 Speaker 1: you know, my first Indie five hundred, I I almost 925 00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,120 Speaker 1: qualified on the poll and I almost won the race 926 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,680 Speaker 1: in my very first time in it, and so that 927 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,879 Speaker 1: was like a pretty big pivotal thing, maybe even more 928 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,640 Speaker 1: so than winning in Japan when I did. UM, that 929 00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,480 Speaker 1: was kind of more expected after that happened, because it 930 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,440 Speaker 1: was only my fourth IndyCar race of my life and 931 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,520 Speaker 1: I almost want it and so and it was the 932 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,120 Speaker 1: and so that's probably the rose, to be honest, And 933 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:11,839 Speaker 1: then I'd say the thorn UM. I mean, in a 934 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,680 Speaker 1: way that first Indy five hundred could also be looked 935 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,440 Speaker 1: at somewhat about there because I almost ran out of 936 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,560 Speaker 1: gas and so I was been, I had lead, I 937 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,839 Speaker 1: was leading, and then I got passed UH, and then 938 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,040 Speaker 1: I was second on a restart and I passed the 939 00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,400 Speaker 1: leader for the lead and you know, there's only a 940 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,399 Speaker 1: few more laps left and I had to dial back 941 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,640 Speaker 1: the fuel because we were running low and UM, and 942 00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,440 Speaker 1: as I dialed it back. The car behind me was 943 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,920 Speaker 1: able to catch me more, and then once he caught 944 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,880 Speaker 1: me enough, I I just couldn't do anything about it anymore. 945 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,440 Speaker 1: And so, um, you could have had it well when 946 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,120 Speaker 1: I had, I would have said that, like in my 947 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,759 Speaker 1: I don't want to change my life because everything you know, 948 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,719 Speaker 1: sliding doors effect. But um, but I will say that 949 00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,640 Speaker 1: interestingly enough, that would have been that would have been 950 00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,719 Speaker 1: the one to win for sure, because I had two 951 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,279 Speaker 1: and a half gallons left. And um, you know, we 952 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,359 Speaker 1: just didn't love when someone makes it the same. It's 953 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,280 Speaker 1: not that often on here, but I asked that question. 954 00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,440 Speaker 1: I love when it's someone's rose in their thorn at 955 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,440 Speaker 1: the same it doesn't happen. I love that it's it's 956 00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,960 Speaker 1: like a winning something. Um. Wow, well, it was so 957 00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,480 Speaker 1: nice to meet you. I really enjoyed this conversation. Honestly, 958 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:26,760 Speaker 1: You're so interesting and so sweet and uh, I'm impressed. Thanks. 959 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,799 Speaker 1: I definitely enjoyed this. I think we have a lot 960 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,319 Speaker 1: in common and I love being able to touch on 961 00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,359 Speaker 1: stuff that is, you know, the racing is important because 962 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,319 Speaker 1: that's how people know me, but just even the sort 963 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,960 Speaker 1: of aspects of evolution that I have, you know, cultivated 964 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,960 Speaker 1: for myself since then, and and just other interests that 965 00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,080 Speaker 1: I have. It's fun to talk about. Yeah, like you 966 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,839 Speaker 1: actually are Yeah, now I know you. Yeah, well I'm 967 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,400 Speaker 1: not just a race car driver, right, so I'm also 968 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,520 Speaker 1: like sexy. I'm also I make wine. I also have candles. 969 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,640 Speaker 1: I also have a podcast. I also you know, learning 970 00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,640 Speaker 1: and so anyway, yeah, I love that. Well, yeah, you're 971 00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,440 Speaker 1: actually in a box when you're in the car. So 972 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,560 Speaker 1: now you're out of the car and you're not in 973 00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,440 Speaker 1: the box. So um so nice to meet outside the box. 974 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,799 Speaker 1: So nice to meet you and have a wonderful day. 975 00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,920 Speaker 1: And I hope we get to meet in person again. Yeah, 976 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,760 Speaker 1: me too. Well we'll do something, uh, well, we'll drink 977 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,400 Speaker 1: together instead of the go kart thing we did on 978 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,160 Speaker 1: your show. Sounds party, Yeah exactly, that's exactly the difference 979 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,719 Speaker 1: to that show in this show and everything else. Have 980 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:31,839 Speaker 1: an awesome day. Thanks. Talking to Danika was amazing. She's 981 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:36,640 Speaker 1: so sweet, so insightful, interesting. I didn't know so much 982 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,799 Speaker 1: about her. I didn't know how spiritual she is, that 983 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,440 Speaker 1: she didn't graduate from high school, that she's an entrepreneur 984 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,200 Speaker 1: and what a badass. That was a great conversation, so 985 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,960 Speaker 1: remember to rate, review and subscribe, and thank you as 986 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:55,280 Speaker 1: always for listening. Just Be is hosted by me, Bethany Frankel. 987 00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,080 Speaker 1: Just Be as a production of the Real productions I 988 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,880 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Blue Duck Media. 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