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Lesson one Safe at Home 18 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: available now Nancy Grace dot com and register using promo 19 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: code Nancy or Crime stops here dot com promo code Nancy. 20 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace investigators revealing chilling details about 21 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: the call made from Denise Klaus's phone inside the home 22 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: where authorities say she and her husband, James, were shot 23 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: to death their thirteen year old daughter, Jamie, abducted just 24 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 1: before one am Monday, the police log showing the dispatcher 25 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: could only hear yelling in the background and was unable 26 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: to get that caller back on the line. When they 27 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: tried calling the landline at the residents, it had been disconnected. 28 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: Suspicions sending officers racing to the house in rural Baron, Wisconsin, 29 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: arriving just four minutes later to find the front door 30 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: kicked in a grizzly scene inside. Her parents died from 31 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: gunshot ones. That's why we were ruling this on homicide. 32 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: There was no gun found on the scene. We are 33 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: learning chilling, chilling details in the disappearance of a little girl, 34 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: Jamie class I, Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank 35 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: you for being with us. Everybody the tip line eight 36 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: five five seven four four three eight seven nine eight 37 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: five five seven four four three eight seven nine. Everybody 38 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: listening now be on the lookout for this little girl, 39 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: Jamie class You were just hearing from our friends at 40 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: ABC g m A. That was Ariel Rashif describing what 41 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:47,399 Speaker 1: searchers are learning now. We are learning very disturbing details 42 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: from the nine one one call, chilling police logs revealing 43 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: missing Jamie's injured father apparently answering the door to police 44 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: before he dies in front of them from gunshot wounds. 45 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: The little girl, who just turned thirteen years old, disappeared, 46 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: as you heard, within minutes. We're learning this from the 47 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: police logs. Disappeared within six to seven minutes from the 48 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: time that nine one one call was made, because when 49 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: cops got there, she was gone. We are also learning 50 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: that Jamie's mom apparently barricaded herself in a bathroom or 51 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: a closet, and they came after the mom, shooting the 52 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: mom dead and taking the girl straight out to Dave 53 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: mac syndicated talk show host Dave Let's just start at 54 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: the beginning, then will circle back to the breaking news. 55 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: Let's start at the beginning. What happened just before one 56 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, the nine one one call was made. 57 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: It wasn't understandable. They could just hear yelling and screaming 58 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: in the background. Police immediately headed towards this trailer home 59 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: and rural Wisconsin, arriving four minutes after that phone call 60 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: was made. When they got to the house, they could 61 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: tell that the front door had been kicked in. As 62 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: you said, it looks like her Jamie's father actually answered 63 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: the door and allowed police in before he died from 64 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: his gunshot wounds. What we're trying to figure out from 65 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: that nine one one call is they know that de 66 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: niece's mother barricaded herself in the bathroom and maybe they 67 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: possibly heard the last moment of her life on that 68 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: Oh my stars, what could possibly have led to this 69 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: little girl's kidnap? Take a listen to what we're learning 70 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: from k A r A t v S Danny Spiewatch 71 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: in this small town of the news traveled fast from 72 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: the w t m J Breaking News Center and Amber 73 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: alert issued for a thirteen year old from Baron. Jamie 74 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: Cross has been missing for nearly twenty four hours. Now, 75 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: every scenario starts racing through your mind. You know where 76 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: is she? Is she okay? Is she scared? Christie Fink 77 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: has taught Jamie dance for the past seven years. She's 78 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: one of the kids here and I we just have 79 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: to find her. Jamie went missing overnight from this home 80 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: off Highway eight. According to the Sheriff's Department. That's where 81 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: she lived with her parents. Just after one am, the 82 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: Sheriff's Department responded to a nine one one call here 83 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: and found James and Denise Class dead. Joining me right now, 84 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan forensics expert, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, 85 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: death investigator and author of Blood Beneath My Fate with me, 86 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: judge lawyer, founder of child crime watch dot com. Ashley Wilcott, 87 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer and of course Dave Mack. 88 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: Syndicated talk show host, Alan Duke and Jackie Howard in 89 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: the studio with me. Straight out to you, Ashley Willcott, 90 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:53,799 Speaker 1: from your vantage point as founder of child Crimewatch dot com, 91 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: what do you think? So here's what I think. I 92 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: think clearly it was an abduction. I think it was 93 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: planned as an abduction, otherwise I think that they would 94 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: have found this thirteen year old child also killed in 95 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: the home. The second part of this, I think, as 96 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: a as a judge, evidence wise, I want to know 97 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: was there any dying declaration, you know, an exception to 98 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,239 Speaker 1: hear say by the father, the fact that he opened 99 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: the door for the police and then died. Was he 100 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: able to say anything that gave them any clue as 101 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: to who did this. We are learning the father apparently 102 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: was alive when he answered the door. Then he died 103 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: right in front of the police. He was already injured. 104 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: What does it say to you that the door was 105 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 1: shot in? Many people are speculating did little Jamie have 106 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: something to do with this? I don't think the door 107 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: would have been shot in the way it was. If 108 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: she had anything to do with it, she would have 109 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: just opened the door, given a key to her quote kidnappers, 110 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: or left the door unlocked. That didn't happen. And to you, 111 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: Dave Max indicated, talk to your host. Whatever that call was, 112 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: be in a pocket or the mom trying to call 113 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: nine one one, and we heard the last moments of 114 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: her life. Police are not releasing that call. Was Jamie 115 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: in the bathroom with her mother? That's Jackie Howard's question. 116 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: What do we know, Dave Mac about that call. What 117 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: we know is that you know that at first wanted 118 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: to tell us that it came from Denise's cell phone. 119 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: They only released that recently. We don't hear anything on 120 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: there that is intelligible. They're trying to clean it up, 121 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: but all you could hear was chaos in the background, 122 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: yelling and screaming, and nothing was articulate. It couldn't tell 123 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: what was being said. So we don't know if Jamie 124 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: was in the bathroom barricaded with her mother. Uh, we 125 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: do know. Police said that apparently she was the target 126 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: Jamie was to get her out of there, not to 127 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: kill her. Because obviously you've got mom and dad, dad, 128 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: and Jamie is gone, right, Kathleen Murphy, right now, North 129 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: Carolina Family lawyer, Kathleen Murphy. There is no robbery. There 130 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: is uh no burglary, nothing's missing. The rest of the 131 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: home seemed very orderly and in place, no sex attack 132 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: on the mom or dad. So it had to be 133 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: the only motive left is to get the girl, Jamie 134 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: class And it was a fast crime, Nancy. It happened 135 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: within four minutes. And I had the same question as 136 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: our other panelists. Was Jamie in the bathroom with her mother? 137 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: Our first instinct, if somebody's coming into home and I'm 138 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: barricading myself in a room, my child is going to 139 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: be with me. Just got Morgan agree or disagree with 140 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: what Kathleen Murphy just observed. I think that she is 141 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: the prize that they are after Nancy. This is planned. 142 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: I think that that this little girl was the target 143 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: of everything. This was planned. Somebody showed up with weapons. 144 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: Some absolutely absolutely details right now from a dispatcher's call 145 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: log have just been released, not the call itself, but 146 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: the call log details. They were released by Barron County 147 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: Sheriff's Department, and they paint a horrifying picture of this 148 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,719 Speaker 1: early warning shooting, the shootings of Denise and James clost there, 149 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 1: Jamie's parents. Jamie has vanished. Take a listen to this 150 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: boom and then boom just seconds after this neighbor heard 151 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: two gunshots. Other than that, Sheriff Chris Fitzgerald says, the 152 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: home seemed in order with cars still in the driveway, 153 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: and we believe everything is that con um. We just 154 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: don't know where this thirteen year old girls and Jamie 155 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: classes her name. By three thirty PM, and Amber alert 156 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: had been issued, meaning law enforcement has reason to believe 157 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: in abduction occurred and that Jamie could be an immediate danger. 158 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: The FBI and National Center for Missing and Exploited Children 159 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: are working on this case, but they have not said 160 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: anything about how Jamie disappeared or who may have taken her. 161 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: Jamie has green eyes, blonde or kind of strawberry blonde hair. 162 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: She's only five feet tall and only ways a hundred pounds. 163 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: She was involved in so many things and dance in 164 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: sports straight. A student described as very very quiet Ashley Wilcott, 165 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure police have comed through her social media to 166 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: see if there was anyone stalking her. But being at 167 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: these advance these dance class recitals, um in sports such 168 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: as cheerleader or basketball, where the girls are there, who 169 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: knows who attended those events and saw Jamie And that's 170 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: the problem. They've stalked her, whether it's physically in person 171 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: watching or via her social media. So social media is 172 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: the right place to start. I see this time and 173 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: time again, Nancy. There are predators out there who get 174 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: to our kids, whether it's watching them at events or 175 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: through social media misleading them. But clearly she was targeted. 176 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: The quickness of the crime, the fact that they came 177 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: to that home, she was the target. Scared that nobody 178 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: knows anything, I think, says She had just been texting 179 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: with Denise class over the weekend about Jamie's dance schedule today, 180 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: coming into work, I was going to try to find 181 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 1: another class for her, and instead we're doing that. I 182 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: think described the feeling in town as a panic. But 183 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: there's nothing, there's no information, and somebody needs to come 184 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: forward with some information. We have to find her. That's 185 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: k A r A t v s. Danny Speewalk speaking 186 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: to Jamie's dance instructor, who has described her as a 187 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: very quiet girl and was working on another dance class 188 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: for her, and instead, the search for Jamie goes on. 189 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 1: We are taking your calls at nine zero nine four 190 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: nine crime nine four nine two seven four six three 191 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: Out to Tina in Wisconsin. High Tinay, what's your question, dear, Well, 192 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: I just I just wondered. UM, I don't really have 193 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: a question. Is that a comment? Um? We do live, UM, 194 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: you know this is a small tone. UM. I live 195 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 1: about twelve miles from where it happened. Um, right off 196 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 1: the highway as well. People are just so on edge. 197 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: And we're from such a small area that, UM, we 198 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: typically don't even lock our doors at night, and so 199 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: now everybody's go on edge. UM I'm actually locking my 200 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: door and just just the feel of the town has 201 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: just changed so much. You can just see everybody's scared 202 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: because there's absolutely I don't think there's much for leaves that. Um, 203 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: we've heard for any update there in the area. Everybody 204 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: teena Wisconsin is with me on the phone. You're not 205 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: too far away from where Jamie was abducted. I do 206 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 1: not believe this child, this little girl who was described 207 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: as quiet um and very loving to her family, I 208 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: do not believe this child had anything to do with this, 209 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: this whole thing. I mean, we've I've covered and investigated 210 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: bizarre cases, but there are very few and far between 211 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: for children orchestrate the death of their parents. I don't 212 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: think that's the case here, Teina. I absolutely do not. No, 213 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: I do not either. I think it's I do believe 214 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: it's an abduction. Um. It's just so scary because there's 215 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: always these rumors, you know, about sex trafficking, and that's 216 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: been quite a big subject amongst the public right now. 217 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: Is wondering if if it's a sex trafficking thing where 218 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: there's people actually that desperate to start coming into the homes, 219 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: and you know, just everybody's on edge and scared, how 220 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: could it happen? Tina in Wisconsin with me when the 221 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: not only call comes in at twelve a m cops 222 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: get there at one oh three, she's already gone. Tina, 223 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 1: I know you're hearing things in the neighboring town that 224 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: may not be reported yet. Do people think that Jamie 225 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: was observed at one of her dance recitals or at 226 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: one of her sporting events? What is the working theory? 227 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: That's That's kind of what I've been hearing is um, 228 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: we feel like that is probably the case. You know, 229 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: even at your local UM stores, you know, UM shopping, 230 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: we typically go to Race Lake and that's kind of 231 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: you know, rumors that people follow people out of the 232 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: Walmart store. UM. You know, we don't know if they're 233 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: targeting smaller talents because we're a little bit naive sometimes 234 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: to danger um. But yeah, that's kind of what people 235 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: are wondering. Well, you know, Tina, you just mentioned the 236 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: Walmart and I don't know if you recall this. Guys, 237 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: Dave Matt, Kathleen Murphy, Ashley Wilcott just got Morgan. Stay 238 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: with me, Tina, Ashley Wilcot, I believe you were with 239 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: me when I covered the Pettit case where the mom 240 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: and in Connecticut, where the mom and the daughter had 241 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: gone to the grocery store and some freaks followed them home, 242 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: broke in through the open basement door in the middle 243 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: of the night. They hit the dad, doctor Pettit, on 244 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: the head, knock him out, tie him up, and they 245 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: proceed to rape and murder the mom the little girls 246 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: and set the house on fire. Yeah, I mean, oh yeah, 247 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: they tried to drive. They took him to an a 248 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: t M. And the mom was afraid they'd kill the girls, 249 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: so she didn't say anything at the bank and uh yeah, 250 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: remember that. And the whole thing was it spart spart 251 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,479 Speaker 1: to my mind. When Tina in Wisconsin mentioned about Walmart 252 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: right now in the neighboring town, Tina, what's the neighboring town? 253 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: She said, she lives about twelve miles from Baron. Baron, 254 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: I would be looking at the Walmart surveillance video target 255 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: grocery store surveillance video to see if she Jamie and 256 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: her mom or dad pop up and who else was there, 257 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: if anyone followed them. Ashley, Yeah, I agree with you, Nancy, 258 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: and I hate to go to the sex trafficking piece, 259 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: but that's a big part of the work that I 260 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: do here in Georgia nationally, and unfortunately, she's absolutely right. 261 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: I do think that's a very real possibility in this case. 262 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: Something we need to remember about the people who will 263 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: get children for sex trafficking purposes, they have no boundaries. 264 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: They would absolutely shoot to people to take the child 265 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: and put her into the sex industry because of the 266 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: amount of money that they would make off of it. 267 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: So it is a scary thought, but that does happen. 268 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: Someone might have followed them and killed them in order 269 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: to take her and put her into that industry. It's 270 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: a possibility. Tina. In Wisconsin, you're about twelve miles away 271 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: from where Jamie was taken. Where are the closest For instance, 272 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: when I grew up, I say I'm from Macon, Georgia, 273 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: I'm actually from unincorporated bib County. We would have to 274 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: dry fift twenty minutes to even get to a grocery store, 275 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: all right, So what would be the closest Walmart Target 276 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: grocery stores that if you lived in Jamie's neighborhood, they 277 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: would go to, Tina um, I would say it's probably 278 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: fifteen miles from her hosts the closest Walmart, and that 279 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: would be where you live. It's probably I travel about 280 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: thirty miles to the closest walmart. Um, but for her, 281 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: she's probably closers. You know, I is closers. So it's 282 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: sixteen miles probably from her house to the closest walmart. 283 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: And what city is that I live in? To Wake, Wisconsin? 284 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: Where's the wall? Where's the Walmart that she would travel to? Oh? 285 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: I'm certain, yes, right, Wisconsin, Rice, Lake, Rice, Late Walmart. Man. 286 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: I hope the cops are on it. Joseph's got Morgan uh, 287 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 1: expert in forensics and author Joe Scott, what about it. 288 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: Another thing we've learned is that I was trying to 289 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: reconcile how many shots a neighborhoard. They said they heard two. 290 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: But I'm like, Okay, if they shot the door in 291 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: and they shot each parent a minimum of one time, 292 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: that's multiple shots. Then I'm learning. Uh. Then I learned 293 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: that the door may have been kicked in, so that 294 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: would explain that inconsistency. Jocot, Yeah, it would. And Nancy, 295 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: I was sitting here pondering. I was thinking about, we've 296 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: got a plethora of evidence at the scene. Uh, if 297 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: the door was kicked in, obviously there is a high 298 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: likelihood that there's going to be a shoeprint on that door, UH, 299 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: and I would imagine before kicking it in, they probably 300 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: applied force, and that would mean them having a grip, 301 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: maybe an outside door knob, that sort of thing. We 302 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: might be looking for fingerprints or maybe even touch DNA. 303 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: And if we go back to this piece that actually 304 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: was talking about relative to sex trafficking, these individuals might 305 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: be in the database relative to UH sexual predators UH, 306 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: which could be an absolute home run in this particular 307 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: case if they are in there and you can match 308 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: that DNA up with it. Right now, we are running 309 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: down all the leads and all the tips that we 310 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: are getting at crime online dot com. But please, if 311 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: you have information call eight five five seven or four 312 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: four three eight seven five eight five seven or four 313 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: four three eight seven five at Wilcott. What about her 314 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: social media and her friends? Would they likely know if 315 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: anyone had been stalking her or anyone that had an 316 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: odd interest in her? I mean, we just lived through 317 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: the Tad Cummings incident for the high school teacher actually 318 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: took the little girl cross country and had her out 319 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: in some commune and the Pacific Northwest. Absolutely so, Nancy, 320 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 1: how many times have you and I talked about when 321 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: you take your kids somewhere in carpool with their friends, 322 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: how much information do you learn ten times as much 323 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: as you learn from talking to your own kids. So 324 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: they tell their friends, that's what kids do. Who do 325 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: they talk to their friends? And I'm going to stand 326 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: by somebody knows something. So either she said something to 327 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: her friend, or she sent an email, she sent a text, 328 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 1: she sent some kind of social media. Absolutely, that's a 329 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: really important place to look for information. Take a listen 330 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: to the Barry County share of Chris Fitzgerald Listend School 331 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: where she attends school. We have officers there today working 332 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: with anybody that may have any bit of information. Well, 333 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: I won't say the public there's no immediate danger that 334 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: we know of, but we don't. We have a lot 335 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: of unknowns in this case. And that's the frustrating part 336 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: in the law enforce of world is the unknowns that 337 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 1: we were hitting with this case. So to say the 338 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: public is not in danger, I can't say that, But 339 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: I want the public to be aware we know of 340 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: no immediate danger. I want my children safe, don't you? 341 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: But are we all doing everything we can to protect them? 342 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: Safety and security is priceless. Don't wait to plan and 343 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: prepare until it's too late. I can't stop predators from 344 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: being in this world, but I can sound the warning 345 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: and pass on to you what I have learned about 346 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: keeping your children and family safe. 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Lesson one Safe 357 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: at Home available now Nancy Grace dot com and registered 358 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: using promo code Nancy or Crime stops here dot com 359 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 1: promo code Nancy. Nine one call was given that night 360 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: from the residents on a cell phone UM, but no 361 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: contact was made with somebody that was on the other line. 362 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: And that's what's unusual about that nine on one call. 363 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: There was no one communicating with our dispatch word help, 364 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: did you hear that the dispatcher hearing that. I don't 365 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: know that if I don't know if the word help 366 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: was said, I can't comment on that. I don't know 367 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: what that was said. UM, but there was some kind 368 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: of disturbance going on and that's why law enforcement was 369 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: sent to the home. Le Baron County Sheriff said investigators 370 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: have received over a thousand tips in the case and 371 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: have thoroughly investigated more than eight hundred of them. He 372 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: goes on to say that we are using every resource 373 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: available and have conducted hundreds of interviews, multiple searches, and 374 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: are using the technical and forensic expertise of our state 375 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,160 Speaker 1: and federal resources to locate the person or persons well 376 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: committed this offense and to locate Jeney. You had heard 377 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: Barron County Sheriff Christmas Gerald speaking to Time dot Com 378 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: as well as our friend Liz Colin at w c 379 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: c O TV in Minneapolis. Right now. The search is 380 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: on for a little girl forcibly taken from her home 381 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: and the specter has arisen. Was she in the room 382 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: the bathroom, barricaded with her mother when the door was 383 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: forced open and the mother shot dead, The little girl 384 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: missing to Dave Mack, syndicated talk show host, joining us. Dave, 385 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: we're getting a lot of information by deciphering the police 386 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: nine o one call logs. What exactly are we learning, 387 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: Dave Mac What we're figuring out right now, Nancy is 388 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: that there was nothing coming from to nice cloths as 389 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,959 Speaker 1: she was barricading in that bathroom. And then it's been 390 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: referred to as possibly a butt dial. I don't think 391 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: that at all. I think she's barricaded in there and 392 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: panicked because her husband's just been shot by the front door. 393 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: She's trying to call nine one one as the abductors 394 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 1: get to the bathroom, and that's all we hear on 395 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: that phone call. All we hear is chaos. And they 396 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: haven't released any kind of text or anything from the 397 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: actual audio recording. As a matter of fact, they waited 398 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: a couple of days to let us know that it 399 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: actually was the phone call of Denise Clause it was 400 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: her phone rather and we don't know if if Jamie 401 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: was in the bathroom with her. As a parent, we 402 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: all assume we would grab our kid and and try 403 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: to hide because obviously, you know, the front door was 404 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: kicked in. That created a major disturbance, disturbance in this house, 405 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: her husband gets shot by the front door. Denise. You 406 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: can picture her grabbing Jamie, going to the bathroom, barricading 407 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: themselves in, calling one and all of this happened in 408 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: such a short window of time. We're talking just four 409 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: minutes or more before the police are at the sight 410 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: of this crime. Joining me, just caught Morgan. Forensics expert 411 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer asked, she Wilcott and 412 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: Dave Matt you know, just got Morgan. What do you 413 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: believe they are doing at the home at Jamie Claus's 414 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: home right now to search for forensics, any chance of 415 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 1: DNA and if so, how yeah, I think that there 416 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: there is a high likelihood. I'm amazed, Nancy at how 417 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: quickly it was mentioned just a second ago, how quickly uh, 418 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: this crime went down. And in that I'm hoping that 419 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: that when the initial responders got in there started walking around, 420 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: that they kind of backed out, locked that scene down. 421 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: Because what we would be looking for are particularly any 422 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: kind of blood of us that might have been generated, 423 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 1: maybe there was a fight or something that came from 424 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: the perpetrators. From that we can get DNA but also 425 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: touched DNA. Anything that's left behind in the small particulate 426 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: matter that's left behind on door knobs, any contact surfaces, 427 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: and even on bodies. Uh, that's gonna be critical. Fingerprints. 428 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: I mentioned footprints just a moment ago. Anything that is 429 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: going to have a tie back to specific individuals. And 430 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: let's keep in mind, depending upon what kind of weapon 431 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: was fired, Nancy, if this was a semi automatic pistol. Uh, 432 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: We've got spent shell cases out there that could tie 433 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: back potentially to a weapon. Maybe this weapon has been 434 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: used in other crimes. Right in the ballistics bank, guys, 435 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: there is a national database of fingerprints is called APHIS 436 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: a p h I S. There is a national database 437 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: of DNA called CODIS. There is also a national ballistics database. 438 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: And if a a shell or a bullet is obtained 439 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: from a crime scene or really even a weapon itself, 440 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: those markings on the bullet or the interior of the 441 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: barrel of the gun, can you can look at them 442 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: under a microscope and see certain striations or um, I 443 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: don't know how to say it, skin marks that are 444 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: left on a bullet as it hurtles down the barrel. 445 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: Only one gun makes that particular marking as the metal 446 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: is cool on the barrel when it is manufacturer's like 447 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: a fingerprint to a gun. These bullets that Joseph Scott 448 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: Morgan is talking about, if they're found in the body 449 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: or on the scene, can be matched back to the 450 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: National Ballistics Database to see if that gun has been 451 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 1: used in any other crime. We are taking your calls 452 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: and I want you to to listen to this. As 453 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: a Barry County Sheriff, Christmas Gerald, he says something very interesting. 454 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: Her parents, James and Denise, were found shot to death 455 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: inside their home. Someone called nine one one from the 456 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: mother's cell phone around one o'clock Monday morning. Law enforcements 457 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: showed up four minutes later, but Jamie was gone. There's 458 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 1: been no sign of her since at this time. You know, 459 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to say that there's a danger of 460 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: the community, but there's someone knowns in this case. Um 461 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: and uh you know, we're following up on leads, but 462 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: at this time I don't see a danger to the public, 463 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: but we want everybody to remain uh as some of 464 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: these things. If there's a change in behavior, please report 465 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: that to our tipline. That was our fraid Liz Collins 466 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: at w ccot V Minneapolis and the Baron County Sheriff 467 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: christ Fitsgerald. And what is striking me is so important 468 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: right there, Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer, as they 469 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: send multiple times, we don't think the public is in danger. 470 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: What does that say to me that this was targeted 471 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: for Jamie, not just a sex trafficker, not just a kidnapper, 472 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: but someone connected to this girl. Because based on what 473 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: the sheriff is saying, he knows something, that means he's 474 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: interpreting it to mean other children and other families are 475 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: not in danger. And that also sounds to me like 476 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: she may have had perhaps that kick app that was 477 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: so prominent in the murder of um the little girl 478 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 1: Nicky in Virginia, and she may have had a secret 479 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,959 Speaker 1: app on her phone that her parents didn't know about. 480 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 1: And Nancy, My big concern, well, well, I don't know 481 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: that it's secret, though, Kathleen. I mean, can't you just 482 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: look at the phone. I can see Snapchat on my phone, 483 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: and every time my twins mooch off my hotspot, I 484 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: can see what they're doing. Pretty much. Well, you're the exception. 485 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 1: You're absolutely the exception, because I see so many parents 486 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: who are not monstering your social media of their children. 487 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: And I believe that the police know something because they've 488 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: looked at her phone, They've looked at her social media accounts, 489 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: and I believe she was targeted. And why was there 490 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: so much noise and commotion entering that house. Why didn't 491 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 1: they wait an hour or two and sneak in and 492 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: take this child. That's a question that I've had. Now 493 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: that is an interesting angle. I want you to take 494 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: a listen to what we are learning from ABC reporter 495 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: Alex Perez. Authority is here at the Baron County Schreff 496 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: Department say those autopsy results have been returned, and they 497 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: had now know that Jamie's parents were shot to death, 498 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: and they believed that Jamie was home when they were killed. 499 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: This all started at about one am and day authorities 500 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: got that suspicious nine one one call. The dispatcher could 501 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: not hear anyone speaking directly to them, but they could 502 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: hear noise in the background. Well, officials now say that 503 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: noise in the background that they heard, they weren't specific 504 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: about it, but that noise that they heard that made 505 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: this makes them think that Jamie was inside the home 506 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: at the time. Now, they responded to that home just 507 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: four minutes after that call to one, and when authorities 508 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: got there, Jamie was gone. There was no sign of 509 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: the thirteen year old girl. The nine on one call 510 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: was given that night from the residents on a cell 511 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: phone um, but no contact was made with somebody that 512 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: was on the other line. And that's what's unusual about 513 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: that nine o one call. There was no one communicating 514 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: with our dispatch. We want to bring Jamie home. That's 515 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: the main point. I will not uh interrupt this investigation 516 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: for anybody to have any information that's not necessary. That's 517 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: why I won't give on any information. If we think 518 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: it's key to the case where we need the public's help, 519 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: we will disseminate that information. But until then, our number 520 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: one goal is bring Jamie home, and no amount of 521 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: information would've given out unless we feel it's appropriate to help. 522 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: You are hearing the chief of police there in Barron County, 523 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: Christmas Gerald, speaking, and it's true they are keeping it 524 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: close to the vest. We're talking about a missing little girl. 525 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: She has just turned thirteen, at home with her mother 526 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: and father. Everybody apparently asleep at all started unfolding in 527 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: a rural area of Wisconsin around twelve fifty three a m. 528 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: Around one a m. With a single nine on one 529 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: hang up call. According to what we're learning from deciphering 530 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: the dispatch call logs, now that call was immediately traced 531 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: to Denise class cell phone and immediately police went to 532 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: the scene. Now, the dispatcher apparently heard yelling, but the 533 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: caller didn't say anything. Three different Barren police officers immediately 534 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: went there. They were up on the graveyard ship. The 535 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: first we got there at one a m. Remember the 536 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: call came in at twelve fifty three. By that time, 537 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: Jamie was already gone. With me on the line is Tina, 538 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: from about ten to twelve miles away from where Jamie 539 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: was kidnapped. Tina, do you notice the chief of police 540 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: keep saying, excuse me, it's the sheriff. The Baron County 541 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: sheriff keeps saying the rest of the community is not 542 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: in danger. Tina, What is everybody there in the community 543 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: take that to mean? I don't know. I guess we 544 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: all feel because we don't have any answers. We all 545 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: still still definitely uneasy and we're um, you know, locking 546 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: our doors that night, because we don't know why she 547 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,479 Speaker 1: was abducted. Also, I just wanted to add about that 548 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: phone call. Why did the phone hang up? That's been 549 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: something we've been talking about. Did it dot? Did the 550 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,719 Speaker 1: phone charger, um, you know it died because the battery 551 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: was old? Or who hung up that phone? Normally once 552 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: you call, of course you don't hang up. So did 553 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: the predator hang up that phone? Is their fingerprint on 554 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: that phone? You know? I was wondering about fingerprints from 555 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: the phone to Tina. That is an excellent question. We 556 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: are taking your calls at nine zero nine Crime nine 557 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: zero nine four nine to seven four six three. Let's 558 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: go out, Alan connect me with Kimberly in Kentucky. Please Kimberly, Hi, Nancy, 559 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: Hi beautiful. I had a question. I was just a 560 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: theory I had. Has anybody mentioned that they have checked 561 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: any computers in the house or were there any computers 562 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: in the house that she that the the little girl 563 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: could have been commuting with somebody, I mean talking to somebody, um, 564 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: telling them that something was bad going on in the house, 565 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: and maybe somebody came in and did what they did 566 00:32:54,440 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: and took her, or just communicating innocently because Kimberly in Kentucky. 567 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: I met this incredible woman who was I guess thirteen 568 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: at the time. She was online talking to who she 569 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: thought was a little friend her age, turned out to 570 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: be a grown man that abducted her and held her 571 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: kidnapped in a dungeon for a period of time before 572 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: she was saved. And that story really shook me to 573 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: the core. So she could have been on one of 574 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: these apps like snap chap or What's Up, What's app 575 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: There's so many of them, were just talk or kick 576 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: there's a million of them, and thinking she's speaking to 577 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: somebody her own age when it turns out to be 578 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: exactly the opposite. Uh, just got Morgan. I've heard not 579 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: only has the door been removed from its hinges, but 580 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: police are also using drones and infrared devices to search 581 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: woods all around. But Jo's got Morgan address Kimberly in Kentucky. Yeah, 582 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I'm I'm really wondering. I'm really 583 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: wondering if there is some kind of of of trail 584 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: that has been left behind relative to this that can, uh, 585 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: that can tie somebody back to this event. Uh, We've 586 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 1: got a as I've stated a tremendous amount of evidence 587 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: here that they're going to have to sift through. And also, uh, 588 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: the FBI is now deeply embedded in this case, Nancy, 589 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: and I can assure you they're bringing full force to 590 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: bear here. Man, you're not kidding. What you don't want 591 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: to say is the FEDS picking through your trash in 592 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: the backyard. I've also learned that Jamie has a Facebook page. 593 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: Of course she does quote I love to dance at 594 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: Christine's dance, jazz, ice, skating, volleyball, swim art, cross country 595 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: track dance. She wrote that that on her Facebook page, 596 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: and she filled it with photos of her elf with 597 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: a middle school sports team and wearing dance outfits. And 598 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: you know, Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer is just 599 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: just like every other kid her age. The administrator there 600 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: at Barren Area School District said that she was a 601 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: sweet girl, a loyal friend, who loves to dance. She 602 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: was a member of the cross country team and one 603 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: time there was a question in a school assignment what 604 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: would you do with a million dollars? And her answer 605 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: was feed the hungry and give the rest to the poor. 606 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 1: I mean her her Facebook. You get learn a lot 607 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: from Facebook. You don't see her uh in a way 608 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: her parents wouldn't like it. On her Facebook, you see 609 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: her with family members, with writings about her parents. You know, 610 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: one of my most prized possessions is a poe him 611 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: Lucy wrote me to mom. I may even start crying 612 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: as a matter of fact. And a picture John David 613 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: once drew of me is up on the wall in 614 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: the kitchen, and if you look there on her Facebook, 615 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 1: it's really hurting me to look at it. You see 616 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: photos of Jamie with a lot of family members, uh, 617 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: writings about her parents, family activities like at a pumpkin patch, 618 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: And just in July, the mom writes to her happy 619 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: birthday to my daughter who was growing up to be 620 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: the sweetest and most kind hearted girl. I can't even 621 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: read the rest, Kathleen. It says, I love you to 622 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 1: the moon and back. Well, there are so many questions 623 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: about this sweet little girl, and I tend to think 624 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: that she was absolutely targeted. I tend to think that 625 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: she may have gotten in over her head somewhere and 626 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: didn't even realize it. I mean, just like we've talked 627 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: about children communicating with somebody, they think is their age, 628 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: and that person is that sexual predator. I tend to 629 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: think that this sweet little girl was sweet little girl. 630 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 1: I don't think she had a role in this, and 631 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: it makes me very fat. I have a twelve year 632 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,919 Speaker 1: old little boy, and again you're the exception, and he's 633 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: on social media and I just can't even imagine that 634 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: this little girl had anything to do with this, nor 635 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: did she have any ant happen. I'm just Kathleen, I'm 636 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: just sick about it. This is what I know. This 637 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 1: is what's listed on her ambreller. She's missing from Baron, Wisconsin. 638 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: She's just turned thirteen. She's five hundred pounds, green eyes straw, 639 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: very blonde. Straight. Here, guys, please help us bring this 640 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: little girl home alive seven one five, five three seven 641 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: thirty one zero six or toll free eight five five seven, 642 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,479 Speaker 1: four four three eight seven nine eight five five seven 643 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: and four four three eight seven nine. Her mom and 644 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: dad can't help her now, but we can. Nancy Grace 645 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 1: Crime Story signing off, Goodbye friend,