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Speaker 1: the last episode, but we will talk about our tour
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Speaker 1: If you guys are somehow just picking up on the
Speaker 1: podcast right now, on episode one hundred and forty something,
Speaker 1: we are actually going on tour. We have an amazing,
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Speaker 1: venues all across the country. We're doing twenty one cities
Speaker 1: starting this September, and we're going to be in the
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Speaker 1: guys showed up so hot for us last year. It
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Speaker 1: Today's up soda is a is a big one. But
Speaker 1: what's going on in life before? You just got back
Speaker 1: from New York. I did just get back from New York.
Speaker 1: We're in the time machine. It really runs me ragged
Speaker 1: because yesterday, I you know, I flew in at like whatever,
Speaker 1: I slept, I woke up and then I slept for
Speaker 1: four hours, and then I did dinner with you, and
Speaker 1: then I fell asleep almost immediately when I got home, Like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad because when I when we left parted ways,
Speaker 1: I was like, I bet she's gonna be up till
Speaker 1: four because she's all fucked up on New York and
Speaker 1: the napping.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you needed the sleep.
Speaker 1: I think you were running on adrenaline for like seven
Speaker 1: straight days. Like I was well the first like I
Speaker 1: wasn't able to sleep, so I was up all night.
Speaker 1: But then it's just like I am doing late spots
Speaker 1: all day. My sister's my sister is a party animal.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it. She came to New York demanding
Speaker 1: a party. I took her home at one am. She
Speaker 1: was livid, kicking and screaming like a children being like
Speaker 1: asked to be leave the pool, like she did not
Speaker 1: want to go home. She but then of course falls asleep,
Speaker 1: so like and then you know, mattin a then she
Speaker 1: wants to see this and she doesn't get how the
Speaker 1: city is, so she'll be like, why can't we just
Speaker 1: take the ferry And it's like, cause we're on the
Speaker 1: west side right now and the East side is over there,
Speaker 1: and so it was just really like a fun time
Speaker 1: to be in New York with my sister and.
Speaker 2: We do cool shit.
Speaker 1: And then Julia kept being like, normal people don't get
Speaker 1: to do this. You know, we were at a premiere
Speaker 1: of a TV show, so it's like, you know, just
Speaker 1: but people kept coming up to me the whole party being.
Speaker 2: Like, your sister's a hit, your sister's the star of
Speaker 2: the party.
Speaker 1: I mean, she was out and about.
Speaker 2: I love that. Oh my gosh, speaking of New York
Speaker 2: and sisters.
Speaker 1: I'm leaving this will by the time you guys are
Speaker 1: listening to this, she will already be married.
Speaker 2: But I'm going to my sister's wedding on in two days.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be going to New York for a
Speaker 1: small courthouse wedding. I get to go inside, I get
Speaker 1: to be one of the witnesses, and and then it's
Speaker 1: a family dinner with my insane family and then a
Speaker 1: little after party. Actually, the after party is at a
Speaker 1: bar that you and I have been to together. I
Speaker 1: got the name from Julia. Julia might as well just
Speaker 1: come on and be a third co host of this podcast.
Speaker 1: I feel like the amount that we talk about her, But.
Speaker 2: Wait, type in the bar into the thing.
Speaker 1: I can't live without knowing what bar are going to
Speaker 1: be going to it's killing me.
Speaker 2: It's small, but like I wasn't. I remember it being
Speaker 2: we went on a summer night.
Speaker 1: I remember being very cool, and it's like this wedding
Speaker 1: is in July, and I just want it to be cool.
Speaker 1: And like cause it's like twenty five of us for
Speaker 1: that like party part of it, and I just they
Speaker 1: reserved us a whole section of the bar.
Speaker 2: I think the bar is pretty much just going to
Speaker 2: be ours.
Speaker 1: So but we didn't have to, like, you know, do
Speaker 1: catering and all that shit.
Speaker 2: I've I called so many bars in New York and
Speaker 2: there's so many crazy rules.
Speaker 1: But what are the rules? So if you want to
Speaker 1: rent space, like what you gotta there's just like you
Speaker 1: got to hit a minimum and like and per person
Speaker 1: trying to give us a depositing case, you break furniture
Speaker 1: and like hold Chris, all this shit. I tried to
Speaker 1: get a cabana, yeah, and I knew it was going
Speaker 1: to be expensive at summer in New York, but it
Speaker 1: had a fifteen hundred dollars minimum for food and drink
Speaker 1: or was it asty five hundred?
Speaker 2: It was something wild.
Speaker 1: I'm actually I got a after you pay for the
Speaker 1: cabana itself. You need to then buy fifteen hundred dollars
Speaker 1: or maybe sixty five hundred dollars, which is essentially everyone
Speaker 1: in your party having two full bottles of liquor. I
Speaker 1: don't understand how you would even spend sixty five hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: I guess food. That's so funny.
Speaker 1: That's like asking for people to get alcohol poisoning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dying because if.
Speaker 1: You're you know, a bottle service, and bottles are four
Speaker 1: hundred dollars or whatever. I guess you could hit that maybe,
Speaker 1: But like even Wagoo beef is going to be one
Speaker 1: hundred dollars a plate. How are you gonna hit sixty
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars? Maybe I'm downplaying wago beef. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm a vegetarian. I don't know how much it fucking costs.
Speaker 1: But no, that's so true, Like people will be dying
Speaker 1: in the sun, they all drinking thousands. Gotta hit this minimum.
Speaker 1: Hand me the bottle of fucking Tito's. You know what
Speaker 1: I missed from my youth? All you can eat sushi.
Speaker 1: I heard there's an actual good place in La But
Speaker 1: like I'm when in my early twenties there was one
Speaker 1: place on a fucking Belmont in Chicago, and I would
Speaker 1: go there with the other receptionists at the salon and
Speaker 1: it was so fun and vials and you're saying, now
Speaker 1: sushi's more readily available to the youth. I just am
Speaker 1: not really doing sushi buffets or but like all you
Speaker 1: can eat, like I'm not I'm not like a twenty
Speaker 1: two year old on a budget looking Oh yeah, all yeah,
Speaker 1: the buffet. I missed the buffet part. I was like, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I need sushi all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, what's this story? But no, what I
Speaker 1: really love it's not all you can eat because you
Speaker 1: do pay by the plate. I'm obsessed with rotating sushi.
Speaker 1: I got it in Japan and I love it, and
Speaker 1: they have it here at a place and I really
Speaker 1: want to go we sugar. I've never I've never been
Speaker 1: to the to the sushi belts. I would love to
Speaker 1: do that so good and you just pay like per plate.
Speaker 1: They stack up your plates at the end and figure
Speaker 1: out what you ate because like there's different rings around
Speaker 1: the plates or whatever that tell them how much everything is.
Speaker 1: I like love it and it's so because it's just like, uh,
Speaker 1: a little choo choo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little choo choo. I love that so well.
Speaker 1: I also saw two Broadway shows while I was in
Speaker 1: New York, one of which a guest who you will
Speaker 1: meet soon on the podcast hooked it up one of
Speaker 1: her friends or like, does pr for this show, So
Speaker 1: I got from our guests. I couldn't believe it. I
Speaker 1: saw and Juliette and then I saw Shucked.
Speaker 3: Both.
Speaker 1: I would recommend both great times in the theater. I
Speaker 1: had orchestra seats. That adds, of course, but I mean fantastic.
Speaker 1: I just people on Broadway are the most talented people
Speaker 1: in the world. Yeah, and like gymnastic Olympians. Like if
Speaker 1: you combine, if you're a Broadway person who was a gymnast,
Speaker 1: you are the most talented person.
Speaker 2: Do you know that?
Speaker 1: Actually, the day that this is coming out, I am
Speaker 1: seeing in New York Titanique, which.
Speaker 2: Is off Broadway. Bitch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got tickets because I'm like, I'm going out
Speaker 1: to the East Coast. I mostly stay in Connecticut with
Speaker 1: my kids in the pool and like whatever, but I'm
Speaker 1: taking one night to go into the city with Jared
Speaker 1: and we're gonna go see Titanique, which is like literally
Speaker 1: this hit, smash hit off Broadway musical about about the
Speaker 1: It's the story.
Speaker 2: Of the Titanic.
Speaker 1: But okay, this music has been musical, has been out
Speaker 1: way before all the submersible drama. But it's the story
Speaker 1: of the Titanic set to the music of Celen Deon
Speaker 1: and multiple very funny people in my life have told
Speaker 1: me it's like one of the funniest things they've ever seen.
Speaker 1: So it was a huge excited. It's yeah, I'm got
Speaker 1: to see that. And they're like us, they bartended on
Speaker 1: watch What Happens Live, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well
Speaker 1: we're all very special club of bartenders. My favorite are
Speaker 1: the people who don't who thought we were truly going
Speaker 1: to be bartending.
Speaker 2: I think those are my favorite people. Oh yeah, they go,
Speaker 2: oh you make those drinks?
Speaker 1: Well no, When we were on it, one of the
Speaker 1: guests goes, you made these drinks?
Speaker 2: Were like, sir, we're backstage with you, like we did not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a bow in my hair, bitch, which
Speaker 1: I haven't worn since. I got to remember that I
Speaker 1: have this bow. I really like it. It is really cute. Anyways,
Speaker 1: speaking of Bravo, also some New York highlights. One I
Speaker 1: went to Cafe Luxembourg I had. I had sweet corn ravioli. Ooh,
Speaker 1: I love that you have. I've never had black truffle
Speaker 1: and pepccerino, and it was one of the best dishes
Speaker 1: I've ever had in my life.
Speaker 2: Did the experience.
Speaker 1: Get added at Cafe Luxembourg that Kevin Bacon and Kia
Speaker 1: Sedgwick were sitting behind us, Yes, that was thrilling. Casey's
Speaker 1: making a face, he's excited. But my sister is such
Speaker 1: a Midwest girl. She just kept being like, well, take
Speaker 1: a photo of me with them in the background. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, honey, we don't do that in New York.
Speaker 1: We don't do that. We leave Kevin Bacon and Kia
Speaker 1: Sedgwick alone. I'm writing this down in my phone right
Speaker 1: now for you have to get that to get if
Speaker 1: I'm able to get dinner the night of time Tinnique,
Speaker 1: maybe because that's one of my favorite things, like a
Speaker 1: sweet corn ravioli. They have something like that at Hippo
Speaker 1: and it's like seasonally and it's so good. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that about you because I texted our friend Lauren,
Speaker 1: who loves corn famously and so I sent her the
Speaker 1: and she goes to New York off and I was like,
Speaker 1: you have to fuck it.
Speaker 2: It was one act because that's not really even a
Speaker 2: go to for me, you know.
Speaker 1: I of course i'd shrimp cocktail as an app but
Speaker 1: it was one of the best dishes I've ever eaten.
Speaker 2: So shout out to Cafe Luxembourg.
Speaker 1: Second, I would like to say, where else, Oh, the Commodore,
Speaker 1: frozen moheedos delicious?
Speaker 2: Am I trip Advisor right now? No, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: get to the big thing.
Speaker 1: The big thing is I met Garcel Bouvet and I
Speaker 1: met Luannella SEPs Here, huge, huge, it's it's on it,
Speaker 1: it's I teared up when I saw Luanne.
Speaker 2: I really teared up.
Speaker 1: I don't think like I can really like in my mind,
Speaker 1: I act like they're just like reality people. I don't
Speaker 1: really care, but like he's in six or something of Ronie.
Speaker 1: I was walking past five Knapkeenberger on the Upper West
Speaker 1: Side with my husband and I stopped in my tracks
Speaker 1: because I saw Luanne and Jacques eating outside there, and
Speaker 1: I made us turn around and pretend we forgot something
Speaker 1: so we could walk back again.
Speaker 2: Like your body takes over.
Speaker 1: These people are important to us, like I act like
Speaker 1: I don't care and like it's not like it's Meryl Streep.
Speaker 1: It basically is to my body, I had a heart attack. Well,
Speaker 1: it's also better because reality TV stars usually and Garcelle's
Speaker 1: also an actress, so she is different. Yes, but pure
Speaker 1: reality stars. They want attention, they want to talk to you.
Speaker 1: They don't need the peace. They they're not like leave
Speaker 1: me alone myself. They crave the attention. Except Ramona, I
Speaker 1: hear she's a big bitch. But what can you expect?
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, Luanne was happy to get photos, happy
Speaker 1: to get complimented, loving my own Connecticut's own. Luanne de
Speaker 1: Les subs that's my in with her. If I meet
Speaker 1: her that we're both, I'm gonna start there. I'll be like,
Speaker 1: I'm from Connecticut, you know.
Speaker 2: She loved that. And then I had a keychain I had.
Speaker 1: I was I had the keychain with me that had
Speaker 1: the fish room and the Berkshires on it. So I
Speaker 1: did get made fun of by our friends, but which.
Speaker 2: We bought at DragCon.
Speaker 1: Yes, I sets a keychain out and I went, Luienn,
Speaker 1: look at my keychain.
Speaker 2: It as the fish room. I was drunk. I don't
Speaker 2: know how if you if you.
Speaker 1: Watch Lisa's stories, you saw her looking like a cross
Speaker 1: between like I'm seven years old and my parents just
Speaker 1: told me I'm going to Disney for the first time,
Speaker 1: but also like possibly might cry holding the keychain with
Speaker 1: Luanne next to her Luen's and a fedora looking like
Speaker 1: she's partying. And it's the minute I saw I think
Speaker 1: I was in bed and I gasped. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, and I texted you and was like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need to hear all about this right now.
Speaker 2: Like it was so fun.
Speaker 1: But my sister and her bonnet, because my sister doesn't
Speaker 1: have like me and Juliet, like we sat, we watched,
Speaker 1: we interacted, we got her foot, but then we like
Speaker 1: you know, stood back, but my sister didn't give a shit.
Speaker 2: She was just in New York, so that's just the woman.
Speaker 1: So she put there's photos of them with their arm
Speaker 1: around each other and they're shit chatting. But my sister
Speaker 1: kept trying to cock black Luanne and like save her,
Speaker 1: and we had to be like she's a slut.
Speaker 2: She fucks everyone in New York.
Speaker 1: Have you not watched like Bethany opened her legs, screaming
Speaker 1: at her and the berksheers about it.
Speaker 2: She's a whore. No, but because that's what everyone was mad.
Speaker 1: We're saying that positively, by the way, we're sec Yeah,
Speaker 1: go fuck whoever you want.
Speaker 2: Like, but yes, she kept no.
Speaker 1: He regretted it, Bethany regretted calling her a sluthore and
Speaker 1: all these things because we are all sex positive. They're
Speaker 1: just mad because she plays the like dimmy or part
Speaker 1: and very judgmental.
Speaker 2: But we know she's out there hooking not.
Speaker 1: She was kind of like she was she was having
Speaker 1: a hard time letting go of her countess persona and
Speaker 1: now I feel like she's dropped it and she's like
Speaker 1: bare hands fishing and crappy.
Speaker 2: Lake or whatever.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, what's the Kennedy Davenport from Drag Race
Speaker 1: hook in her outfit the death thing from a night
Speaker 1: of hooken and then the John got mad and she
Speaker 1: came from the flames.
Speaker 2: I wish I knew the whole quote.
Speaker 1: You know, Kennedy Davenport, I think is the most underrated
Speaker 1: Drag Race, well, one of the most confessional queens, like
Speaker 1: not only amazing in lip syns and dancing, but like
Speaker 1: those confessionals like fuck my drag right, like so many
Speaker 1: things that she said are like monument like iconic slipping
Speaker 1: in the air and her snatch game was revolutionary, I mean.
Speaker 1: But also the my Gorsel moment class we were at apart,
Speaker 1: we were in a thing together. But I think one
Speaker 1: of the greatest moments of my life is we were
Speaker 1: both walking out of the screening at the same time
Speaker 1: and she pointed at me and brought me over and.
Speaker 2: Hugged excuse me, and said your name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I didn't remember that my friend because then
Speaker 1: our friend was like I saw it, I saw it.
Speaker 1: I saw it a huge though, like then somebody she asked, somebody,
Speaker 1: what's that girl's name?
Speaker 2: And then when she saw you was like, yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was. It was wild.
Speaker 1: And then we talked to her at the party for
Speaker 1: a little bit and she posted me and my friend
Speaker 1: in a photo with her in her main like in
Speaker 1: the carousel. Garcel posted a photo of me in her
Speaker 1: own carousel, So it was it was. Scroll back, scroll
Speaker 1: back and Garcel boves Instagram one month and you will
Speaker 1: find pictures of Lisa and just stunning, I would say,
Speaker 1: stun like so beautiful, but so like chilling nice. I
Speaker 1: don't know, it really was a high and like maybe
Speaker 1: that was exhausting me too. While my sister was skipping
Speaker 1: around town, I'm like, I am fulfilled to a point
Speaker 1: where I can't really go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, your your cup was run a thing over for sure.
Speaker 1: But that's the great thing about New York is then
Speaker 1: that was all amazing. We get sandwiches from the bodega.
Speaker 1: Then I had to pay over seven hundred dollars to
Speaker 1: get into my locksmith. I I got locks mixed, locksmith, swindled,
Speaker 1: I got smith. Well, she got locked out of the
Speaker 1: apartment that she was staying in from some kind of
Speaker 1: like no one knows how it happened, like that lock
Speaker 1: doesn't lock on its own thing and called a locksmith.
Speaker 1: But if you've ever listened, there's a there's a defunct
Speaker 1: podcast now called reply All that I'm that I really
Speaker 1: used to like. And one of the things that they
Speaker 1: covered on that podcast, and you can just google locksmith
Speaker 1: conspiracy and it's about how like the locksmith industry bought
Speaker 1: up all the Google AdWords and people that are not
Speaker 1: talented locksmith's are now the first people that you call
Speaker 1: and they'll come to you. They'll say, I'll do it
Speaker 1: for eighty dollars. They'll be there in half an hour.
Speaker 1: Then they'll get there and go, oh, you have a
Speaker 1: weird door. I have to just jacket open with a drill.
Speaker 1: And then they're like, that's going to be seven hundred
Speaker 1: dollars because they're swindling you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because then at my show at Union Hall, thank you
Speaker 1: for everyone that came, I was like, how much have
Speaker 1: people spent? Like, you know, when I was asking people,
Speaker 1: and no one there had spent over four hundred. I
Speaker 1: was mostly like the two hundred. But it was in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night. I mean, whatever, it is,
Speaker 1: what it is. I needed to get into the apart.
Speaker 1: And it's hot, like that's the thing Like in La
Speaker 1: other places are hot, but air conditioning is very vital
Speaker 1: part of our lives here and that's just not the
Speaker 1: case in New York. You're in the streets, it's hot,
Speaker 1: it's old buildings, it's window units, there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of AC. I have heat rash under both my armpits.
Speaker 2: It is I'm gonna have to bring my romy with
Speaker 2: me to New York.
Speaker 1: And that's not even a part of our paid advertisement.
Speaker 2: I just feel like I have to bring it. Bring
Speaker 2: the fucking loomy. The tits are sweating. It is. It
Speaker 2: is brutal out there.
Speaker 1: But I also had like my last night, there was
Speaker 1: such a New York night, like I did our friends
Speaker 1: sold out show. Honestly someone that was a patient of
Speaker 1: your mom, doctor Klank. Yes, So I did a fun
Speaker 1: show with like fun friends. It was amazing. Then we
Speaker 1: went out to a bar, went dancing. It was like
Speaker 1: a disco floor, had shots. I had a little mushrooms,
Speaker 1: you know. Then we rushed over to the last hour
Speaker 1: of a carnival and it's like road the firest wheel,
Speaker 1: you know, like had Italian fried cookies, just like lights.
Speaker 1: You know, you feel like you're in an episode of
Speaker 1: Viephoria at a carnival. And then it's just like a
Speaker 1: beautiful walk home. And I had to hop over a rat.
Speaker 1: A rat came at me and if I didn't jump,
Speaker 1: I would have touched it. And it was like, now
Speaker 1: it's a perfect New York day. Now you've been touchy
Speaker 1: all of New York's finest things, the wildlife, the night life,
Speaker 1: it's all there. But tonight Lisa and I are going
Speaker 1: together to see theater camp, So stay tuned for next
Speaker 1: week when we give.
Speaker 2: You our review. I cannot freaking wait to see this.
Speaker 1: I know the movie will be probably out of theaters
Speaker 1: by the time this even comes out, but I'm like
Speaker 1: so pumped to see it. Yeah, I think we're gonna
Speaker 1: it's just fun, I mean for me. Unfortunately, this has
Speaker 1: been like the first summer in a decade I've wanted
Speaker 1: to see almost every movie, Like it is rare, Like
Speaker 1: it just feels like there's something that happened this summer
Speaker 1: where they've realized we just want to have a good time.
Speaker 1: We just want to laugh, enjoy ourself, elves and you know,
Speaker 1: and they gave it to us. It is kind of
Speaker 1: nice that there's some comedies coming back, like the Jennifer Lawrence,
Speaker 1: the joy Ride, like Barbie's Gonna be funny, you know,
Speaker 1: Like it felt like for a few years comedies were
Speaker 1: just like dead, unless it was like the Minions, and
Speaker 1: you know, I still consider that high comedy.
Speaker 2: But should we get started.
Speaker 1: We've got an amazing episode for you guys today and
Speaker 1: excited to show it to you.
Speaker 2: Spousal privilege everyone.
Speaker 1: We're doing season sixteen, episode eight from the year twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: if you want to put yourself there while we dive
Speaker 1: in to the Sespeu episode. So we open up on
Speaker 1: Tomorrow yelling at Maria, his wife in their loveless marriage,
Speaker 1: and everyone in the office is looking at him as
Speaker 1: he screams into the phone and they are judging the
Speaker 1: fight is about custody and Thanksgiving and Zara, and then
Speaker 1: he hangs like he gets hung up on and then
Speaker 1: he punches the lockers, and now we see Rollins is
Speaker 1: also judging and a little worried. And then he opens
Speaker 1: the fridge and all of this is under the stairs
Speaker 1: and I really don't remember the fridge lockers stare situation.
Speaker 2: When did that start?
Speaker 1: Like I don't up for that, Like I really that
Speaker 1: that came out of nowhere for me, and then tells
Speaker 1: Rollins don't tell me what to do when she tries
Speaker 1: to just be like, hey, why don't you be like positive?
Speaker 2: And then he's so emo and dances off.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: Rollins goes back to her desk and before Finn can
Speaker 1: say anything, she goes, shut the fuck up, don't even
Speaker 1: say it. He's like, what, But I also don't know
Speaker 1: what's going on here? I wonder if Finn knows that
Speaker 1: they're fucking, are they fucking at this point or.
Speaker 2: Just you know, Tomorrow's a mess. Leave him alone. You're
Speaker 2: not going to help him.
Speaker 1: Like, I don't actually understand this whole interaction, but it's
Speaker 1: cute and I love their friendship and dynamic. So Benson
Speaker 1: whoops in like a boss and asks what's up. So
Speaker 1: she sees Tomorrow with his hurt hand, and he's obviously
Speaker 1: not going to tell her what's up.
Speaker 2: That's the boss.
Speaker 1: You can't be like I was yelling at my wife
Speaker 1: in the middle of the precinct and.
Speaker 2: I punched to lock her like a yea goo.
Speaker 1: And Finn and Rollins are working on their laptops or
Speaker 1: pretending to work, you know, because their boss walked in,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Benson catches Finn and she's like, is
Speaker 1: that work related? And because he's looking at bikini models
Speaker 1: and he goes, oh, it's a celebrity nude selfie leak
Speaker 1: from the cloud, and Benson goes and it's SVU because
Speaker 1: and Finn's like, well, some of these girls are underage.
Speaker 1: So and then Benson goes, all right, yeah, wrap it up.
Speaker 1: I don't buy it, and fucking porn hungry Detective Somorrow
Speaker 1: walks over and acts very anti SVU. If you don't
Speaker 1: want nude photos of you on the internet, don't take
Speaker 1: nude photos, and Rollins tries to put him in his place.
Speaker 1: Don't wear a short skirt if you don't want to
Speaker 1: ge assaulted. Is that what you're saying, Amorrow? And Tomorrow
Speaker 1: looks off in silence, understanding his mistake. Then he catches
Speaker 1: something on the site and Finn is like that, Fin
Speaker 1: is on and he goes, wait, hold up, what's that?
Speaker 1: So they watch a video and it's Aj Martin. He's
Speaker 1: a football correspondent, and then Rollin's you know, tomboy, tomboy
Speaker 1: to the max. She adds, well before that he won
Speaker 1: the Heisman in an eight time pro bowler. And then
Speaker 1: so he's in the video and it's with his baby
Speaker 1: mama and her name is Paula Bryant and they're drunk
Speaker 1: and they're walking up cement stairs and the footage is
Speaker 1: from a security camera and he slaps her ass as.
Speaker 2: They walk up, and then uh oh.
Speaker 1: The next video is him pulling her unconscious to the
Speaker 1: car in this parking garage, dragging her like a dead body.
Speaker 1: Vibe and ice. He goes, whoa, and Benson goes, are
Speaker 1: you fucking kidding me? Is this a whole CELEBNU desk force?
Speaker 1: Come on guys, And Omaro's like it kind of might
Speaker 1: be more and she she recognizes AJ Martin too, and
Speaker 1: Rollins thinks this happened after the met Ball six weeks ago.
Speaker 1: The theme was black and white and that's what they're wearing.
Speaker 1: And then the music plays and Benson's like, this can't
Speaker 1: be because he wasn't picked up, Like, what's what's going on?
Speaker 1: So then in the video we see, like, you know,
Speaker 1: a uniformed kind of cop, like a patrol beat guy
Speaker 1: approached the couple and as he's like pulling his lifeless
Speaker 1: girl all around into the car, and that cop should
Speaker 1: have done something. I get that this dude's a sports hero,
Speaker 1: but like, are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, he's dragging
Speaker 1: a woman around and you're like, no, no worries. It's
Speaker 1: just like it really upsets me that. But I you
Speaker 1: know what, also, even if he wasn't a sports hero
Speaker 1: and he was just a dude, I bet I bet
Speaker 1: so many times a patrol cop would be like, I'll
Speaker 1: get your drunk bitch home.
Speaker 2: No worries. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I always think of the Dahmer victim who ran up
Speaker 1: to the cops and Dahmer was like, this is my boyfriend.
Speaker 1: He's just like drunk, and they let him go back
Speaker 1: and he was killed by Jeffrey Dahmer. It's just so
Speaker 1: fucked up because this happened to me once in Grand Rapids,
Speaker 1: where this like limb like really limped wasted girl was
Speaker 1: getting sh into the backseat of a car and the
Speaker 1: dudes were like, not the You know, if it was
Speaker 1: my friend who was what, I'd be like, Oh god,
Speaker 1: Stacy's always the strength. What a nightmare, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: But they like, as soon as you're defensive, I know
Speaker 1: what's up. But I called nine one one, I followed
Speaker 1: the car, I got the license plate. No one ever
Speaker 1: helped anyone, No one ever arrived. I don't know what happened. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no one cares. Yeah, like to be.
Speaker 2: A police officer seeing.
Speaker 1: Someone dragging a passed out woman and you're like, oh.
Speaker 2: You play football, No worries.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Crazy Benson wants the video of what happened between
Speaker 1: the stairs where he just smacks her butt and the
Speaker 1: parking spots where he's dragging her, like, what the fuck
Speaker 1: happened in there?
Speaker 2: Tomorrow?
Speaker 1: Can't find the footage online, but they're going to contact
Speaker 1: the garage. Benson also adds for them to contact the
Speaker 1: local precinct and taw like, what the fuck happened? That
Speaker 1: the cop did nothing? And that shocks Finn like that
Speaker 1: she even wants to investigate this, and she's like, well,
Speaker 1: after ray Rice and the others, if there's a sniff
Speaker 1: of domestic violence, we need to pounds.
Speaker 2: She spins with a hair toss, and we go right
Speaker 2: into the credits.
Speaker 1: Baby Amorro and Rollins are talking to a uniformed cop
Speaker 1: at the office, being like, come on, who doesn't hit
Speaker 1: the mother of his children when you're drunk?
Speaker 2: It happens. Who cares?
Speaker 1: He accuses Sbu of having a slow work day and
Speaker 1: that's why they're trying to take the case further. He
Speaker 1: explains his officer arrested both of them on the scene.
Speaker 1: They put cuffs on her lifeless body. They're like, she
Speaker 1: looks out of it. He says she declined medical attention
Speaker 1: and he was really polite, and then they go, well
Speaker 1: were they ever spoken to separately? And he goes, I
Speaker 1: didn't feel the need and so I just hate him,
Speaker 1: and Amorro spots an autograph football and says, oh, I
Speaker 1: get it, and the cops like whatever.
Speaker 2: AG's a legend.
Speaker 1: And so he said that she got jealous and went
Speaker 1: insane at the party, and somehow some low life leaked
Speaker 1: the video. He goes, listen, it was dismissed. Go to
Speaker 1: the DA or something. This isn't my fucking problem. This
Speaker 1: cop doesn't care. He's a nine to fiver. The job's
Speaker 1: done for you after So the go talk to Barba
Speaker 1: and he's like, not that invested in it. The ADA
Speaker 1: who took the case and didn't do an adequate job,
Speaker 1: according to Benson, is on his first vacation in three years.
Speaker 1: So Barba's like, I'm not bothering him, and I guess
Speaker 1: I have to take this case, but I am annoyed,
Speaker 1: but I know that you're SVU and you're not going
Speaker 1: to drop this. And he's like, they said it was
Speaker 1: a drunk marriage fight and nobody wanted to take it further,
Speaker 1: and he got community service but then didn't take the
Speaker 1: deal and then nothing happened and no one followed up.
Speaker 1: So it's just kind of in limbo. But the case
Speaker 1: isn't closed. There was no deal, it wasn't officially dismissed,
Speaker 1: so it is like still open. And Benson says this
Speaker 1: Eightya shouldn't have just taken the CoP's word, and Barbara goes,
Speaker 1: I take your word all the time. And she's been gotten.
Speaker 1: So Benson is pissed. And Barbara's like, we need stairwell footage,
Speaker 1: and Benson says, we're on it, We're on it, We're
Speaker 1: trying to get it.
Speaker 2: But also, you know how this goes. We've seen it before.
Speaker 1: He knocked for the fuck out, dragged her into the car,
Speaker 1: and Benson's like, he didn't take the offer, So the
Speaker 1: case is open. Find the tape or get her to
Speaker 1: change her story of slipping and falling. And so we
Speaker 1: go to their home in Greenwich, Connecticut on Pearl Lane,
Speaker 1: and I would love to live on Pearl Lane.
Speaker 2: Such a cute name.
Speaker 1: Oh there's a Pearl in New York, right, Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: got to be.
Speaker 2: So they're holding hands at the house.
Speaker 1: They're sitting side by side in really comfy chairs, and
Speaker 1: Aj explains that he didn't take the deal, but he
Speaker 1: did cooperate with police and YadA YadA, and Benson's like, well,
Speaker 1: that's pre the video coming out, and he's like, exactly,
Speaker 1: we need to get the person who leaked it. And
Speaker 1: it's like yeah, let's just what's what a nice redirection? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, we're onto that too, don't worry.
Speaker 1: And a kid runs in and throws a football at
Speaker 1: Finn and he says he wants to play football like
Speaker 1: his dad. Meghan Good is playing Paula the mom and
Speaker 1: the wife and you know, football wife. So Meghan Good
Speaker 1: is like, go to your room and she says, grown
Speaker 1: folks are to and he asked, oh, what are you
Speaker 1: guys talking about, and then he gets yelled at by
Speaker 1: the dad. He's like junior, And immediately this kid is
Speaker 1: like yes sir, and the dad is like, nobody is
Speaker 1: playing with you. Get the fuck out of here, and
Speaker 1: he scurries the fuck off, and Benson.
Speaker 2: Of course reads into it.
Speaker 1: And then Finn and Aj bond over football and his
Speaker 1: son playing football, and while he's talking about the snats
Speaker 1: and what the coach told him, his wife just interrupts
Speaker 1: because she's excited and she wants to finish the sentence,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't like it. And he glares at her
Speaker 1: and she's uncomfortable and shuts up for sure. Immediately, Benson
Speaker 1: and Paula end up going to the restroom for employ
Speaker 1: obviously to get her alone. But this, you know who,
Speaker 1: This husband reminds me of Monique Samuel's husband on Potomac.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Chris Samuels.
Speaker 1: I got that vibe from him, like when she yawned
Speaker 1: and he go and while he was talking and he
Speaker 1: was like, oh am I boring, Like he got mad
Speaker 1: because she yawned, and I was like, oh, this is unsafe.
Speaker 1: Like when they announced their divorce. I was really happy
Speaker 1: for her. Yeah, yeah, crazy. I just this vibe like
Speaker 1: you should like just looking at someone and they have
Speaker 1: to change their behavior Like that sucks.
Speaker 2: That's a sad life.
Speaker 1: So anyways, wait, can we also take a second, though,
Speaker 1: and just talk about how Megan Good is playing this
Speaker 1: part and now eight years later, seven years later, she's
Speaker 1: dating Jonathan Majors, who's in the middle of a huge
Speaker 1: domestic violence charge. It's so crazy, like it came up
Speaker 1: by Instagram. It came up on my Instagram and I
Speaker 1: was like, wait a minute, what, Like I really really crazy.
Speaker 1: It's like art life imitating art crazy. It's it's wild.
Speaker 2: When you sent that to me, I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Finn is left with AJ and they have
Speaker 1: a bond and a vibe together, and he's like, obviously
Speaker 1: you know why we're here, and he's like, no, I
Speaker 1: respect that. You know, you have to do your job
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, especially with athletes press, we need
Speaker 1: to check things out. So he's like, so what happened
Speaker 1: and he's like, we were drunk, words were exchanged and
Speaker 1: Finn's like, well, it looks like words turn into deeds
Speaker 1: and he says she even knows that this was her fault.
Speaker 1: She fell off the rails. She had a few and
Speaker 1: he wanted everything to stay tight. And Benson has Paula
Speaker 1: alone and asks if she wants to say anything.
Speaker 2: She's like, do you want to tell me anything?
Speaker 1: And she says she went after him and slipped, and
Speaker 1: Benson's like, but you were walking up the stairs, so.
Speaker 2: Like this isn't like check out.
Speaker 1: AJ cuts them off quick and he stops it, but
Speaker 1: like he runs in quick, like he has amazing hearing,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know how he like figured it out
Speaker 1: to scurry in the hallway that fucking fast, and so
Speaker 1: he's Chad Chad L. Coleman, which sounds like a fun
Speaker 1: ass name. I really like it. And he was in
Speaker 1: a season four episode which is wild. He was like
Speaker 1: a welcoming cop aka prison warden, but I like welcoming
Speaker 1: cop more in the episode Rotten.
Speaker 2: And he's in like Giant fandom.
Speaker 1: So he's in Walking Dead and the Oreville and he's
Speaker 1: just been working for decades, like he is on Fire.
Speaker 1: He works a lot and so but basically so his
Speaker 1: character AJ is like, this is my house, and anything
Speaker 1: you say to Paula, you can say to the both
Speaker 1: of us, and I have already given you enough, and
Speaker 1: I gave you permission to be in this house.
Speaker 2: This man is contra rolling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And Benson is leaving in his swaying trench coat
Speaker 1: as Finn and Rollins are looking at Galla footage and
Speaker 1: the garage is claiming they don't have the stair footage,
Speaker 1: and Benson says, then get a fucking warrant, like we
Speaker 1: need to push them on that. Finn is being defensive
Speaker 1: of AJ and how both him and Rollins were scared
Speaker 1: of their moms and got hit and it's like okay,
Speaker 1: and you know. So he's controlling and Benson goes she
Speaker 1: is covering for him. Amaro says that he got hit
Speaker 1: by his dad and that taught him you never hit
Speaker 1: a kid or a woman, So like, stop fucking excusing it,
Speaker 1: and then rollins pick me girl extraordinaire. She's I mean,
Speaker 1: he could have been fending her off. I hate this,
Speaker 1: he's like her size, Like truly, I just hate this that,
Speaker 1: like men use their physical strength so often to prove
Speaker 1: their superiority over women, but then as soon as it's
Speaker 1: a domestic violence situation, it's like I had to defend myself.
Speaker 1: She came at me, and it's like, aren't you guys
Speaker 1: constantly saying how you're stronger and bigger and better than us. Yea,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you have to protect yourselves against us,
Speaker 1: our frail bodies.
Speaker 2: Especially she's not holding a.
Speaker 1: Weapon, Like if she's coming at you with a gun, okay, maybe,
Speaker 1: but like she has no weapon, She's just a tiny woman.
Speaker 1: This is you're a football player, Yeah, you're a professional
Speaker 1: beater upper, Like your job is to get hit and hit,
Speaker 1: like you had to defend yourself against your like supermodel wife.
Speaker 2: It's just fucking bullshit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how like they'll push the needle back and forth,
Speaker 1: always like we're not equal.
Speaker 2: Oh, actually we are.
Speaker 1: She hit me, okay, yeah, so that's that's Rollin's point
Speaker 1: of view. Omorro starts to yell and then Benson answers
Speaker 1: the phone and goes, wait, oh my god, what and
Speaker 1: then they turn on LMZ aka TMZ, which is so
Speaker 1: funny because TMZ stands for thirty mile zone. So what
Speaker 1: does LMZ stand for, Lisa?
Speaker 2: What's thirty mile zone mean?
Speaker 1: The thirty mile zone is like the thirty miles around Hollywood,
Speaker 1: I think, is like what TMZ covers.
Speaker 2: Oh that's funny. I didn't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never knew that. That's a fun fact. Take
Speaker 1: a drink, fun fact. We're making rules as we go.
Speaker 1: So anyways, TMZ aka MZ. They have the stare footage,
Speaker 1: so basically she's yelling at him, but then he straight
Speaker 1: up punches her in the face like a full like
Speaker 1: swing like Mike Tyson swing to his wife, and Rollins goes,
Speaker 1: well that changes everything, Paul, right, dumb bitch. Rollin's is
Speaker 1: like casey cut that. So AJ is being walked into
Speaker 1: the precinct. Paul is walking behind him, and they're all
Speaker 1: flanked by tons of detectives on either side. Benson's like,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, this is so public. There are no
Speaker 1: shield laws for domestic violence victims. She says, I'm not
Speaker 1: a victim. She walks off after Ben after giving Benson
Speaker 1: a dirty look, and then he's got Elizabeth Marvel. So,
Speaker 1: honey has got one of the top lawyers. I would say,
Speaker 1: this is this is a top a turn.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so she's in the building.
Speaker 1: She has great skin, half up, half down, hairdoo, just rich,
Speaker 1: powerful and incredible, great choice. Benson lets them know they
Speaker 1: will be talked to separately. He of course does not
Speaker 1: like that, but Rita Calhoun aka Elizabeth Marvel, she's like,
Speaker 1: don't worry, You'll both have counsel, and she sends her
Speaker 1: cole counsel to go in with the wife and they
Speaker 1: all get to work legal work. His version of events
Speaker 1: is women flirt with him and he tries to be
Speaker 1: nice and that sets off his wife, Paula, so she
Speaker 1: like flipped out, started screaming, and so he had to
Speaker 1: take her out of the party, and so that was
Speaker 1: annoying to him. And then in the nicer room, that's
Speaker 1: where Paula is sitting, and she's like, listen, the girls
Speaker 1: can talk to him, but they need to know that
Speaker 1: he's mine, and that she got loud and made aj
Speaker 1: angry because she embarrassed him in front of really important
Speaker 1: people and that can't happen. He says that she was
Speaker 1: stumbling and could have hurt herself, so I had to
Speaker 1: stop her, and Benson's like, with your fist.
Speaker 2: He blames being drunk.
Speaker 1: Finn only asks how many drinks and she is a
Speaker 1: good lawyer, and she shuts that down immediately.
Speaker 2: So then Paula says, he.
Speaker 1: Was just trying to protect me, and then they kind
Speaker 1: of like scream, like by punching you in the face.
Speaker 1: The defense in this case is the craziest I think
Speaker 1: we've ever This is like crazier than affluenza. Their whole thing,
Speaker 1: this whole episode, is that he was just trying to
Speaker 1: protect her by punching her. Yeah, like the whole episode.
Speaker 1: It's so twisted. So then the lawyer's like, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: whoa why the animosity and Rollins and Tomorrow are like,
Speaker 1: we're just trying to understand this, and she's pleading, like
Speaker 1: we want to put this behind us, leave us alone,
Speaker 1: and that's it, but we can't put it behind us.
Speaker 1: The videos are out, Benson and Barbara meet up in
Speaker 1: a spy room and she fills him in and she's like,
Speaker 1: they're saying it's chill, but that was assault. And Barbara
Speaker 1: agrees and hopes that the footage is like enough evidence
Speaker 1: that they won't want to go to trial, and Benson's like,
Speaker 1: no way, there's no settling with this guy, like he's
Speaker 1: a bad dude, and Barbara goes, no, this is going
Speaker 1: to be really hard.
Speaker 2: You don't understand.
Speaker 1: Everyone loves him, his wife supports him, and the jury's
Speaker 1: going to be obsessed with him.
Speaker 2: He's a hero. And Benson goes, you're right, let him go.
Speaker 1: No problems here, ha, And he's like okay, and the
Speaker 1: defense like I just went off and I'm going to
Speaker 1: go off like this whole episode. Elizabeth Marvel's like, my
Speaker 1: client was just defending himself. And he agrees to anger
Speaker 1: management and AA and whatever it takes, and Marba's like
Speaker 1: that's not enough.
Speaker 2: I want a CELT three ninety days.
Speaker 1: She's like assault three, no jail time, but two hundred
Speaker 1: hours of community service, and Benson's like that's not enough
Speaker 1: for me, and she wants more than him picking up
Speaker 1: garbage with a pointy stick. And she's like, okay, well
Speaker 1: he's already been suspended by his network. And it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's you're not a You punched your wife in the face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: Understand, Like, why would someone want to work with you
Speaker 1: when you're a person that punches your wife in the face.
Speaker 2: It's like courser fired.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be dramatic, but it's like you
Speaker 1: could kill her, like one punch from somebody so strong,
Speaker 1: like you could kill someone, Like, yeah, it's the conair rule.
Speaker 1: A guy when I was in college. When I was
Speaker 1: in college, a freshman got punched one time in the
Speaker 1: face during orientation, fell back on the pavement in a
Speaker 1: certain way, went into a coma and died. One punch
Speaker 1: And did the other student go to prison? It wasn't
Speaker 1: an't It was an employee. So I don't know what happened, honestly,
Speaker 1: but we did a memorial bench for him and everything,
Speaker 1: but it was like so sad. It was like his
Speaker 1: second day of college and it was like one punch.
Speaker 1: You know, the head is very precious. You can't fuck
Speaker 1: with your head.
Speaker 2: You know now, and they bring it up in this episode.
Speaker 1: But it's also like, you know about head injuries you
Speaker 1: play football. Yeah, it's all about like concussions and all
Speaker 1: of that. So it's like even more you could have known,
Speaker 1: you could have fucked her up. Yeah, And honestly, Age
Speaker 1: is like, you know what, She's gonna have my back,
Speaker 1: so I don't fucking go Look like, let's go to trial.
Speaker 1: I don't care. Everyone has my back. So we're in
Speaker 1: court and he pleads not guilty. Obviously, Barbara wants to
Speaker 1: remand Paula is really upset in the stands and Calhounton
Speaker 1: gets her way and he gets to go home with
Speaker 1: only twenty thousand dollars bail. He smiles at Paula, so
Speaker 1: you know, Paula looks really happy about this. She does
Speaker 1: little prayer hands at him, and then Benson walks into
Speaker 1: the bathroom and Paula's in there, and these are some
Speaker 1: very classy court bathrooms.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they look nice.
Speaker 1: They look very nice, because the only other time I remember, well, no,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of bathroom moments. But I'm thinking of
Speaker 1: Counselor Chinatown episode with Margaret Show and the girl jumping
Speaker 1: out the bathroom.
Speaker 2: And that bathroom knop off his sheet.
Speaker 1: No, not a chic bathroom, so Benson asks to chat.
Speaker 1: Paula is fixing up her makeup in the mirror and goes,
Speaker 1: why it's too late for an apology? Okay for what
Speaker 1: you've done to my family? Junior is being harassed at school.
Speaker 1: AJ's career is over, Benson is done playing games. She's like,
Speaker 1: I've been doing this for a long time, and I've
Speaker 1: seen a lot of men like AJ. And she goes,
Speaker 1: there's only one AJ, best believe, and Benson's like, I
Speaker 1: get it. I'm sure there are times where he makes
Speaker 1: you feel incredibly special, but that doesn't make up for
Speaker 1: the times where he puts his hands on you. And
Speaker 1: Paula breaks and says, he slipped. Do you know what
Speaker 1: it's like to have the whole world watching us at
Speaker 1: our worst moment? And Benson's like, look me in the
Speaker 1: eye and tell me this has only happened once, and
Speaker 1: I'll believe you.
Speaker 2: Megan can't do it.
Speaker 1: Benson says it will happen again, and She's like why
Speaker 1: because a strong black man can't control himself, you know,
Speaker 1: And she says, I'm concerned about you and your son's safety.
Speaker 1: I'm not concerned with the public perception of black men.
Speaker 1: And Paula says, well, we need each other and we
Speaker 1: will be living as a family. Calhoun walks in and goes,
Speaker 1: I assume this small talk because you know, you should
Speaker 1: not be talking to my client without her counsel. Benson
Speaker 1: stands in silence. Heja is giving a press conference, and
Speaker 1: look who we have here, a priest, a father standing
Speaker 1: behind a woman beater for the sake of family. Leslie
Speaker 1: Odom Junior is here and they've been praying and working
Speaker 1: through it spiritually.
Speaker 2: And then Paula takes the mic.
Speaker 1: And wants to set the record straight, and she goes,
Speaker 1: there are people who are invested in me playing the
Speaker 1: victim here and that's not going to happen. And she
Speaker 1: takes full responsibility for provoking the unfortunate events of six
Speaker 1: weeks ago, which is just like, even if she feels
Speaker 1: that way, it's like you, I don't know, don't send
Speaker 1: that message to people that you that you provoke physical violence,
Speaker 1: that there's anything you can say that can come out
Speaker 1: of your mouth that deserves physical violence.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also, I notice here that it's November and the met
Speaker 1: Gala is actually in May, so.
Speaker 2: You know they like calendar guys, we know what's up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So she says they're working on their issues together,
Speaker 1: and she cries and asks for privacy, and then she
Speaker 1: gives a stink eye to Benson and then oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's fucking Hodah. And who's Hodah's Who's what's the George
Speaker 1: Bush daughter's name?
Speaker 2: Jenna Hager? Yeah, he's Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Hodah and Jenna have a show together, And you know,
Speaker 1: I was very much like, fuck this nepo bitch, Like,
Speaker 1: why does she even have a job? WHI I was
Speaker 1: she doing the Today Show? The clips of them show
Speaker 1: up on my Explore page and on YouTube shorts and
Speaker 1: guess what. I listen to every single one, every single one.
Speaker 1: I love I love them, I really love them.
Speaker 2: I can't get enough.
Speaker 1: So it's a split screen and on the news is
Speaker 1: Hoda and she's talking to the couple who's dressed very
Speaker 1: Connecticut and they give a little puff piece interview and
Speaker 1: they call the media gutter press, and it's like, you're
Speaker 1: also in the media right now though, So yeah, but
Speaker 1: the Today Show, the fourth hour of the Today Show
Speaker 1: with Hoda.
Speaker 2: That's literally where they tell you how to throw a.
Speaker 1: Barbecue, and like, what Halloween costumes are hot this fall?
Speaker 1: Like no, I did like the fourth hour of the
Speaker 1: local news, the WGN News in Chicago, and I had
Speaker 1: so much fun with the women and the anger. I go,
Speaker 1: this is the best news show ever, and they go,
Speaker 1: I think our real news would be really offended that.
Speaker 2: You said that. I was like, you bitches are the best.
Speaker 2: Fuck the real news.
Speaker 1: Tell me where to get a fucking beer cheese in Chicago,
Speaker 1: babes all right? And I think I was recording on
Speaker 1: a Friday, so it was like they had someone making
Speaker 1: cocktails and all of us had cocktails in our drinks.
Speaker 1: There's like a bartender on set, and that's.
Speaker 2: A fourth hour.
Speaker 1: Like the third hour is actually like barbecuing Halloween costume,
Speaker 1: and the fourth hour is like bottom's up, Like it's
Speaker 1: just I'm getting drunk.
Speaker 2: It started with holding Kathy Lee, Oh my god, So
Speaker 2: you know, so Hoda is here.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed, and so I mean, how many more times
Speaker 1: can I say Hoda?
Speaker 2: But they talk about commitment.
Speaker 1: And they're in this marriage for the long haul, and
Speaker 1: Benson's holding Noah furious watching this and bitching to Barba
Speaker 1: on the phone, who's equally as mad, and oh my god,
Speaker 1: they're about to announce news. AJ propose. So they haven't
Speaker 1: been married, which is wild. They live like such a
Speaker 1: domesticated life. I'd never assumed that. And they have like
Speaker 1: an eight year old, so they've been together for a
Speaker 1: long time, a long time. But maybe he was waiting
Speaker 1: right for this moment. And he so you proposed with
Speaker 1: a fifteen carot and it's the same as his retire
Speaker 1: jersey number fifteen. And they're getting married later that day.
Speaker 1: So this is obviously a ploy for the courtroom and
Speaker 1: about like testifying and stuff.
Speaker 2: Barba is in shock by this.
Speaker 1: We open back up in court and we have a
Speaker 1: specialist who's gonna explain why AJ's fists are stronger than
Speaker 1: just an hour person. So and Rudnick's actually on the stand,
Speaker 1: so and he's a little get out with this. He's like,
Speaker 1: you know, talking about own density and stuff, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. This is a little touchy touchy. So
Speaker 1: they show the video of the punch on the flat
Speaker 1: screen and like the force of the flow, using the
Speaker 1: classic algorithm of weight and muscle mass, it hit at
Speaker 1: more than seven hundred pounds per square inch, which is
Speaker 1: four times that of an average couch potato could He
Speaker 1: says he could have killed her, but she was lucky,
Speaker 1: and that's an objection and the jury will disregard that.
Speaker 1: And now it's time for every direction. And she straight
Speaker 1: up is like, you're a morgaman. You don't know about
Speaker 1: living people, do you, you little fucking creep. And he's
Speaker 1: you know, it's true, and it's like the classic, like
Speaker 1: you didn't even look at Paula. You don't know Paula.
Speaker 1: You're basing all of this on a grainy video and math,
Speaker 1: and you know. And she looks fine, and Aj is
Speaker 1: very smug and he knows he has like such a
Speaker 1: good lawyer. And now it's Benson on the stand. We're
Speaker 1: really going through these quick and she's like, it's wild
Speaker 1: that Paula continues to say it's her fault. And it's
Speaker 1: not uncommon. And it's also not uncommon, so refuse to testify.
Speaker 1: Barbara asks why, and she gives, like some reasons. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of times victims of domestic violence are financially
Speaker 1: dependent on their abuser, or they're scared of violent retribution
Speaker 1: and at most at risk when they go against their
Speaker 1: abuser to try to leave.
Speaker 2: And just because they're in denial of.
Speaker 1: Their abuse doesn't mean their abuse didn't happen or like
Speaker 1: that it won't worsen. And we get a shot of
Speaker 1: Paula like looking down, embarrassed, and we get a Calhoun
Speaker 1: cross come in right at you. She goes, did missus
Speaker 1: Martin express fear of her husband to you? And so, yeah,
Speaker 1: the last name changed because they just got married. She
Speaker 1: was Bryant in the beginning of the episode. If you
Speaker 1: call Martin, oh now, yeah, this is so strategic. And
Speaker 1: so did missus Martin express fear of her husband to you?
Speaker 2: Nope?
Speaker 1: So maybe she's not testifying and married him because she
Speaker 1: loves him and that's that. And Benson's like, well, that's
Speaker 1: not what the video showed. And she's like, come on,
Speaker 1: my client regrets it. What more do you want? And
Speaker 1: Benson's like, yeah, I've seen that before, regret and remorse
Speaker 1: and I'm not impressed by that. So, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is Benson's about to be in deep shit. So she
Speaker 1: says she doesn't care about anger management, and then the
Speaker 1: defense attorney's like, but tomorrow a cop in your squad
Speaker 1: got to do anger management, so it's good enough for
Speaker 1: you and your department, but not for you know, this player,
Speaker 1: and that's why you pay her the big bucks. Barbara
Speaker 1: tries to object, but it's fucking denied. But Benson is stuck.
Speaker 1: And but also she's like, my dude lost his temper
Speaker 1: with a horrific child abuse her, not his wife. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but she's like no, But the point is that anger
Speaker 1: management is sufficient enough for a violent cop to get
Speaker 1: his gun back, but not sufficient to rehabilitate AJ Martin,
Speaker 1: a man without a speeding ticket. Nice double standard, but
Speaker 1: also I hate where it's like, we couldn't hurt a
Speaker 1: fly no tickets, Those yeahs do not like.
Speaker 2: Anything ticket have to do with yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: I like hate that false equivalen sees so fucking much.
Speaker 1: I also don't know if I used false equivalency correctly.
Speaker 1: So anyways, so okay, cool, So nice double standard and
Speaker 1: AJ is now more smug than ever and Benson stares
Speaker 1: right back at him, and we cut to other players
Speaker 1: responding to questions about AJ on a TV screen at
Speaker 1: a bar, and Rollins is there, drinking and loosening up
Speaker 1: her shirt.
Speaker 2: Baby, is tipsy.
Speaker 1: Amorrow joins and orders what she's having, and she actually
Speaker 1: gets a refill, but neat this time no Ice Rollins
Speaker 1: asks Tomorrow how he's doing since court was very rough
Speaker 1: and Tomorrow is actually chill. He's like, whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: Rita was just doing her job, and then Rollins continues, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know she has a point, and Tomorrow's confused, Really,
Speaker 1: what's the point, and she's like, it's a private matter.
Speaker 1: This is between Paula and aj and you're all overreaching
Speaker 1: taking this to court. And he's like, he hit her,
Speaker 1: that's it. But they cheers and Rollins is now hold
Speaker 1: on a second, so we get to decide what's best
Speaker 1: for her. That's infantilizing. She believe they're making her a
Speaker 1: victim all over again, and he says slow down, and
Speaker 1: she doesn't like him counting her drinks and she smiles
Speaker 1: at him and then calls him like Saint Nick, the
Speaker 1: savior of damaged women. And he's like, I just don't
Speaker 1: think men have the right to hit a woman, and
Speaker 1: she says, that's right, but some of us don't need
Speaker 1: to be saved, like your wife, who doesn't need to
Speaker 1: be saved, right, And She's like, but you've wanted to
Speaker 1: hit her, admit it. He's not into this line of questioning,
Speaker 1: and she's leaning into him, like you know you want
Speaker 1: to hit your wife. I know it, and he's like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't, and she starts poking and shoving him and like,
Speaker 1: doesn't it get to you?
Speaker 2: Come on? Tell us?
Speaker 1: And then she shoves him harder and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: are you jealous of Maria? What's your problem? And she
Speaker 1: hits him harder and says, we've seen you yell and
Speaker 1: go off at your wife. Just say it, admit it
Speaker 1: you want to hit her? And Rollin says it's wait what, No,
Speaker 1: she's just being so like aggressive. Oh yes she is.
Speaker 1: She's fucking wasted, and then hits him super hard and
Speaker 1: says I don't want to be a victim, and he
Speaker 1: finally shoves her off.
Speaker 2: A chair goes flying.
Speaker 1: He pushes his drink off the bar and it flies,
Speaker 1: and he throws cash onto the bar and says, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do what AJ Martin should have done and walk away.
Speaker 1: He grabs another drink off the bar and walks away.
Speaker 1: Everyone at the bar is obviously staring at them. So
Speaker 1: this is like Rollins is like doing a little experiment,
Speaker 1: like I bet I can piss a man off enough
Speaker 1: to hit me, Like, I'll show you how easy it
Speaker 1: is for a man that like to hit a woman,
Speaker 1: Like so weird. Well it is, and we know about
Speaker 1: her dad and mom and all of it. And yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Rollins has had a lot of growth, you know,
Speaker 1: now she's a professor. But yeah, well and I look
Speaker 1: this up. This is like past them fucking. They fucked
Speaker 1: in season fifteen. Like in the episode at the end
Speaker 1: of season fifteen, he comes.
Speaker 2: Out of her shower or whatever.
Speaker 1: So I think they're done at this point, but maybe
Speaker 1: still not, who knows. Okay, So now we're back and
Speaker 1: it's like we're watching another TV screen of a boss
Speaker 1: man talking about his place of employment and supporting him
Speaker 1: and not being able to work with him anymore. And
Speaker 1: Finn in a bunch of uniform cops watch this on
Speaker 1: TV and the league is sending a message there is
Speaker 1: never excuse for domestic violence. Rollins is like, God, poor
Speaker 1: fucking Paula. This video keeps getting played over and over again,
Speaker 1: and he's like, I agree with you, but he did
Speaker 1: hit her. And Rollins in a red golf style Blazer says, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you can't save someone that doesn't want to be saved,
Speaker 1: and Finn little office goss. That brings up Nick and
Speaker 1: she's like, Nick needs to stop thinking he can save
Speaker 1: the whole world. And Finn laughs and then gives some
Speaker 1: facts two things he has learned at fifteen years at SVU.
Speaker 1: One you can't take this job home with you. Two
Speaker 1: And you can't take anyone from this job home with you. Okay,
Speaker 1: Ice cold back, Ice cold facts for Rollins. She hears him,
Speaker 1: and then back in Core, the reverends on the stand
Speaker 1: Leslie Odom Junior, okay, and he's like, listen, they grew
Speaker 1: up this way and it's learned behavior and they're trying
Speaker 1: to change.
Speaker 2: He's team marriage and.
Speaker 1: That's you know, it's loving, and it's Christian and it's
Speaker 1: a marriage of equals. And Barbara's sitting, so you know,
Speaker 1: he's feeling cocky and he's about to do some theater
Speaker 1: when Barbara starts the questions while he's still seated. We're
Speaker 1: about to have a fucking show. And he goes to
Speaker 1: the father, why don't I remember his priest's name? But whatever, Leslie, Priest, Leslie.
Speaker 1: He's like, so it's a marriage of equals, and the
Speaker 1: priest goes yeah, and he's like even though he out
Speaker 1: earns her by one hundred times, and Barbara's proving like
Speaker 1: you're acting like you know these people, but you only
Speaker 1: know them at church. You don't know them at home
Speaker 1: or when they're drinking, or how he actually acts towards
Speaker 1: his wife. You only know church aj and then a bombshell,
Speaker 1: this motherfucker has not watched the video.
Speaker 2: Leslie Odom Junior's priest character.
Speaker 1: Is not watched the video, so I cannot believe this
Speaker 1: motherfucker has opinions without watching the scene.
Speaker 2: It Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Just it is just so funny, like when the people
Speaker 1: that love religion message us being like you're too hard
Speaker 1: on religion. And then it's like, I know this is
Speaker 1: a fictional priest, but like defending an abuser over women's safety,
Speaker 1: like everything over women's safety, Like a woman has to
Speaker 1: sacrifice her fray face, her brain, her whole life, everything
Speaker 1: to keep a marriage together. It's so sick. I fucking
Speaker 1: hate the world. Whatever AG's on the stand, he goes,
Speaker 1: I love my life, she's my wife. Whatever, No, I
Speaker 1: love my wife. She's my life. Okay, the mother of
Speaker 1: my son. I will always regret that night. He says,
Speaker 1: he didn't intend to do it. She's like, listen, that
Speaker 1: video is damning and the prosecution is going to use
Speaker 1: it against you, and like, why did you decide to
Speaker 1: take the stamp? And he says, well, Paula's had to
Speaker 1: sit in the courtroom every day. She's filled with so
Speaker 1: much humility and you know, admiration and gratitude. And if
Speaker 1: she is brave enough to sit here, I can be
Speaker 1: brave enough to stand up here and take responsibility and
Speaker 1: teach my son what it is to be a man.
Speaker 1: And barbis like, I said, never good. So Barbara goes,
Speaker 1: and you're teaching your son to tell the truth. He goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. But night of the incident, you said that
Speaker 1: your wife slipped and fell. That's not true. He goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I admitted I lied, and he knows that it was wrong.
Speaker 1: And so then Barbara brings up the video. He's like,
Speaker 1: you've been here saying that you did not deliberately try
Speaker 1: to hurt your wife, and he is lying because obviously
Speaker 1: we have video evidence.
Speaker 2: But this is so Ramona Singer.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite moments, do you know this from
Speaker 1: Housewives where a woman comes up to Ramona at this
Speaker 1: party and is talking about Ramona's birthday and she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: in Sonya's coming and Ramona goes, no, don't invite Sonya.
Speaker 1: And then so Sonya was purposely not invited because Ramona
Speaker 1: didn't want to like, you know, mix with her upper
Speaker 1: class friends or whatever, even though so you know, Sonya
Speaker 1: has a townhouse okay at the time. And so then
Speaker 1: we're at the reunion and they're like, I mean, Sonya's
Speaker 1: your friend, she's your ride or I like, why did
Speaker 1: you not want her at the party? And Ramona like,
Speaker 1: I never said that. So they're like, well, let's play
Speaker 1: the video, and then they all watch the video of
Speaker 1: her like saying to the women, don't invite Sonia. And
Speaker 1: then she's still denying it, like heaven to watch video
Speaker 1: evidence of you doing something and still continue to deny
Speaker 1: it is a level of delusion I would love to reach.
Speaker 2: I would love to be that crazy. So anyways, he's.
Speaker 1: Lying with video evidence of him just cold cocking his
Speaker 1: fucking wife and going I didn't do it. It's so
Speaker 1: Ramona singer and anyone please find the video of that
Speaker 1: fucking bitch. It's like, Sonia is your best friend, you
Speaker 1: demand sharing beds on vacation together, and then you didn't
Speaker 1: want to invite her to your birthday.
Speaker 2: She's scum.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he says he put up his hand to
Speaker 1: stop her. Again, we have the video. So then it's
Speaker 1: also like, okay, if you didn't intend to hurt her,
Speaker 1: then then why didn't you call nine one one? And
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, because she came too. And Barbara's like no, like,
Speaker 1: you know all about concussions. You're in football. Even knock
Speaker 1: out for a little bit is bad. Why didn't you
Speaker 1: take her for medical attention? He's like, well, I just
Speaker 1: made a judgment call and Barbara's like, okay, cool, So
Speaker 1: your idea was punch your wife, drag her unconscious body
Speaker 1: across a garage, and then get out of there, and
Speaker 1: he says how dare you? And then Calhoun tries to
Speaker 1: subject and the judge finally is like stop trying to object.
Speaker 1: He's doing a cross You need to chill the fuck out.
Speaker 1: I'm allowing this. So then he's like did you love
Speaker 1: your wife here? And shows pieces of the video and
Speaker 1: then surprise, Paula Martin is now going to testify, and
Speaker 1: Barbara's annoyed because she sat there the whole trial. But
Speaker 1: the judge is like, eh, they lived together, it's fine,
Speaker 1: Like he could have talked about the trial at home,
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't matter if she was here at home.
Speaker 1: She needs to go in this. Benson and Barbara do
Speaker 1: a quick walk and talk. She's just like trying to
Speaker 1: prep him, like this is everything I know. Let's do this.
Speaker 1: So then she's on the stand and it's quick, right,
Speaker 1: She's like, I was drunk, you know. She's like, I
Speaker 1: know my husband loves me. That's the truth. And she's
Speaker 1: also denies that it was a punch. She's like, this
Speaker 1: is a private moment between two passionate people and that
Speaker 1: she is not scared of him.
Speaker 2: And she goes, you don't know him. I do.
Speaker 1: He's a gentle good man. He doesn't deserve this or
Speaker 1: family doesn't deserve this. And Barbara again sitting he's sitting.
Speaker 1: He says, thank you for being here. He says this
Speaker 1: must be difficult for you, and she says I'm fine,
Speaker 1: and he's like, are you always fine? Always good and
Speaker 1: fine in the Martin House and she says it is
Speaker 1: and he asks some questions. She was twenty one when
Speaker 1: she met him, and he was thirty five at the
Speaker 1: end of his playing career, and she never had any
Speaker 1: other relationships that were significant until him. And it's like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: where is this going? And he's like, I bet you
Speaker 1: know it moved fast and you moved in within months
Speaker 1: and then immediately had a baby. And you know, you
Speaker 1: were a reporter for the local news and you gave
Speaker 1: that up, and she and how many friends do you have?
Speaker 1: And she's like, I have my sister and other players'
Speaker 1: wives and he goes, okay, when was the last time
Speaker 1: you hung out with a male friend or just a girlfriend,
Speaker 1: or even the sister or even your sister without AJ
Speaker 1: being there? And then he goes, is it fair to
Speaker 1: say your life revolves around AJ and your son? And
Speaker 1: she goes, yeah, and I'm fucking proud of that and
Speaker 1: happy about it. And he's like, even when he's yelling
Speaker 1: at you, and she says, he doesn't yell at me,
Speaker 1: and he goes, does he yell at your son? And
Speaker 1: music plays and she says, he doesn't yell. He raises
Speaker 1: his voice because he wants him to behave because he
Speaker 1: loves his son. Barbara goes, oh, really like the way
Speaker 1: he loves you? Obviously objection. There's a rephrase when Aj
Speaker 1: raises his voice at Junior, how does it make you feel?
Speaker 2: And she goes, what does it matter?
Speaker 1: And missus Martin, missus Martin, when you see the look
Speaker 1: on your son's face, how does it make you feel?
Speaker 1: And she's shaking her head. No, you don't know what's
Speaker 1: right for me. He says, I know it's not healthy
Speaker 1: to be in an abusive relationship. She snaps a bit,
Speaker 1: don't you lecture me. I'm not leaving him. I don't
Speaker 1: care what any of you have to say, and he
Speaker 1: catches her, like any of us? So you've heard this before?
Speaker 1: How many people have brought this up to you? And
Speaker 1: then he asks if she notices how she looks at
Speaker 1: her husband Before answering the question, He continues to walk
Speaker 1: closer to her in monologue, and she looks at Aj
Speaker 1: and Barba's like, don't look at him. He can't answer
Speaker 1: for you. You need to answer for yourself. She says,
Speaker 1: I don't want to lose him, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to lose my family. She starts to cry. She goes,
Speaker 1: why is that wrong? She goes, what gives you the right?
Speaker 1: And then she says, just leave us be please. She
Speaker 1: leans back, shaking her head. Aj is in thought, but
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what he's thinking. And then it's immediately
Speaker 1: time for closing arguments, and Calhoun is like, you know,
Speaker 1: I feel sorry for the DA's office. You know they
Speaker 1: have to be politically correct. This is just a misunderstanding
Speaker 1: a private matter. This is not a case, and if
Speaker 1: you convict him, you're tearing a family apart. Barbara's closing
Speaker 1: arguments is you saw the evidence. We know as a
Speaker 1: society we have evolved beyond the idea that women are
Speaker 1: property and that what they feel and what they experience
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. And by knocking out Paula, he is saying
Speaker 1: that she doesn't matter, disregard for her safety and life.
Speaker 1: She loves him, has a kid with him, and convicting
Speaker 1: him might not be what she wants. But to not
Speaker 1: convict him is wrong and sends a message that it's
Speaker 1: okay to be a bully in your own home. This
Speaker 1: is not okay. We cannot stand by and say it's
Speaker 1: acceptable to look the other way. Physical violence against other
Speaker 1: human beings is a crime, I guess, But not when
Speaker 1: it's your wife, Like how yeah, that is true, Like
Speaker 1: if you can't just beat the shit out of random
Speaker 1: people like you if you if you just punched a
Speaker 1: dude in a stairwell like that, that you would go
Speaker 1: to self. Yeah, Like it is true, Like because it's
Speaker 1: your wife, suddenly there's more nuance and it's a private matter,
Speaker 1: like you know, like that's why marriage is and not
Speaker 1: anti femine. I mean marriage is cool, Like I want
Speaker 1: to be married, but it is like I understand why
Speaker 1: people are morally against it. It never benefits women and
Speaker 1: it's this idea. So it's like, if he just punched
Speaker 1: a random woman in a stairwell, he would be going
Speaker 1: to jail, but marriage gives him the cloak of it
Speaker 1: being okay.
Speaker 2: Well it's interesting.
Speaker 1: Is I feel like they've changed laws now because now
Speaker 1: you can go it's a it's a at least in California,
Speaker 1: if you punch, if you have an assault of someone
Speaker 1: that you're in a romantic relationship with, it's a stronger
Speaker 1: charge than someone that is a stranger.
Speaker 2: It's a felony.
Speaker 1: Because they've tried to they've tried to toughen up domestic
Speaker 1: violence laws.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow, but it is just such a like cloak where
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, well I could beat the shit out
Speaker 1: of you, and now you can't even testify against me.
Speaker 1: Like it is cued not for a woman, like marriage
Speaker 1: is not for a woman. Yeah, the way it's set
Speaker 1: up in any capacity, so you know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: We're back in this kitchen fridge area under the stairs.
Speaker 2: It all began.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're having a literal water cooler moment.
Speaker 2: There is a water cooler right next.
Speaker 1: To them, and you know, they do a little hey
Speaker 1: hey back and forth, and then Tomorrow runs to live
Speaker 1: and asks about Barbara. He's nervous and the jury is
Speaker 1: questioning now if the video was doctored, Rollins is like, yep,
Speaker 1: they're looking for a reason to acquit. They know this
Speaker 1: feels wrong, then don't work at SVU, Like that's what's
Speaker 1: so shocked, Like we need someone to obviously always argue,
Speaker 1: so we learn about the other side and learn more
Speaker 1: about why things are the way they are. But like,
Speaker 1: it is just so weird that you would join SVU
Speaker 1: when you're so anti Yeah that this is bad. Benson
Speaker 1: is like sending everyone home. Does that feels right to
Speaker 1: you like a boy growing up in fear and Amanda
Speaker 1: thinks that Aj has learned his lesson, and Benson goes, well,
Speaker 1: I don't. So it's court time. There is a verdict,
Speaker 1: the charge of reckless endangerment. We find the defendant guilty.
Speaker 2: Shock.
Speaker 1: He's shocked, Calhoun shocked. He's heading to fucking rikers. Paula
Speaker 1: cries and tries to get AJ's attention, and she can't
Speaker 1: get it. He just walks off. He doesn't even acknowledge her.
Speaker 1: That is important, Like that has to be for a reason.
Speaker 1: She's like crying, going Ajajaj, and he won't even look
Speaker 1: at her.
Speaker 2: He just walks us.
Speaker 1: It's her fault, Like in this guy's fucking mind, you
Speaker 1: didn't tap dance well enough on the stand, like you
Speaker 1: didn't get me out of this. This is your fault
Speaker 1: for being drunk and sassing me and me hitting you
Speaker 1: like and provoking me to hit you. That's what's going
Speaker 1: on in this guy's head.
Speaker 2: Benson stands up.
Speaker 1: Her family rallies around Paula, hugging her and rubbing her back,
Speaker 1: and Barbara and Benson talk, but I'm sure the sisters
Speaker 1: are like fuck, get out of it, Like fuck a
Speaker 1: j Barbara and Benson talking the hallway, and he'll get
Speaker 1: the minimum.
Speaker 2: Of two years.
Speaker 1: Paula, I mean, just the reason it's shocking is because
Speaker 1: NFL players never They only go to jail if they
Speaker 1: fuck with dogs, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: You can fucking beat anyone you want in the league.
Speaker 1: Paula and the reverend and like the whole family clocks
Speaker 1: Benson and Barba, and she walks over to them and goes,
Speaker 1: I hope you're happy. I lost my husband and my
Speaker 1: son lost his father. And Benson says, you deserve better
Speaker 1: than that, and so does your son. And then she goes,
Speaker 1: what do you know about it? She screams this. She goes,
Speaker 1: I was happy and fine and we were making it
Speaker 1: work and it's my choice, and you took that away.
Speaker 1: You think aj was beating me up? What do you
Speaker 1: think you did? And she storms off. Benson does feel bad,
Speaker 1: but Barbara says, we did the right thing, and she says,
Speaker 1: I know, and that's.
Speaker 2: Dick wolf baby, damn. Teach us some stuff, Kara, A
Speaker 2: tough one, A tough one.
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Speaker 1: will be right back with more real life and We're back,
Speaker 1: so they literally mentioned the case in this episode. This
Speaker 1: is obviously based on Ray Rice. This was like a
Speaker 1: huge scandal that hit the internet in twenty fourteen. But
Speaker 1: Ray Rice is Ray mel Maurice Rice aka Ray Rice,
Speaker 1: an NFL football player. He was a running back for
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens for six seasons, including one were they
Speaker 1: won Super Bowl. He was in the Pro Bowl a
Speaker 1: bunch of times, just like this guy that Aj Martin
Speaker 1: in the episode. And he was known for his community service,
Speaker 1: Like in twenty twelve, he was voted Baltimore's most charitable person.
Speaker 2: He's like a big figure in Baltimore.
Speaker 1: He was a home an advocate for homelessness, not for homelessness,
Speaker 1: but for people experiencing homelessness. He was involved in Baltimore's
Speaker 1: Make a Wish Foundation, spoke out about cyberbullying, like he
Speaker 1: had a lot of causes. Twenty fourteen, it was the
Speaker 1: off season. Ray Rice was twenty seven years old, so young,
Speaker 1: like because in this one, this guy's.
Speaker 2: Like forty something.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying, I'm just saying this guy was young
Speaker 1: and like had been in like had been famous since
Speaker 1: he was twenty one. On February fifteenth, Rice and his
Speaker 1: fiance Janey Palmer had been drinking heavily aginly to that,
Speaker 1: like he might have been just famous since he was
Speaker 1: twenty one, but athletes that are this talented, like he
Speaker 1: was being catered to college child Yeah yeah yeah and
Speaker 1: before yeah, like when you're this good, like everyone is
Speaker 1: upset with you from a very young age.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1: And he actually grew up in New Rochelle, New York,
Speaker 1: which is not far from where I grew up. It's
Speaker 1: in Westchester County, like less than an hour outside of
Speaker 1: New York City.
Speaker 2: And I also want to.
Speaker 1: Say that they are borrowing a little bit in this
Speaker 1: episode from the Beyonce Solange elevator thing and with jay Z,
Speaker 1: because that took place also in twenty fourteen after the
Speaker 1: Met Gala, But this was obviously different and there was
Speaker 1: no like jay Z did not hit anyone in that elevator.
Speaker 1: But this was in real life. They were not a
Speaker 1: met Ball. They were at the Revel Casino in Atlantic City.
Speaker 1: They got into an argument. Rice follows Palmer into the elevator.
Speaker 1: They scream at one another, and then supposedly she spit
Speaker 1: in his face and then he punches her and honestly, like,
Speaker 1: it's an extremely shocking video. I watched it back in
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen and I kind of forgot, but I watched
Speaker 1: it again for this and it's it's just as shocking
Speaker 1: as the one in the episode, Like he fucking hits
Speaker 1: her so hard and she's knocked out, and then she
Speaker 1: hits her head on the railing in the elevator, and
Speaker 1: then he drags her out of the elevator like lifeless.
Speaker 1: And what's so shocking in the video too, is like
Speaker 1: the way he drags her out, like he eventually just
Speaker 1: kind of drops her with her legs still between where
Speaker 1: the doors would close, and he's just standing there. He's
Speaker 1: not like down on his knees, like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: are you okay? Like come to shit, I took this
Speaker 1: too far. He's just standing there like are you done
Speaker 1: being unconscious yet? Like the video goes on for a
Speaker 1: long time because it's security footage from an elevator, and
Speaker 1: she eventually comes to. He's not helping her up, he's
Speaker 1: not squatting down to her level to see if she's okay.
Speaker 1: He's just sitting there while she comes to. Someone else
Speaker 1: appears in the video it's not a cop like in
Speaker 1: this episode, but it's somebody I don't really know who
Speaker 1: it is in the video, but Ray was arrested and
Speaker 1: charged with assaults, and you know it was a huge thing,
Speaker 1: like because on the nineteenth. This happened on the fifteenth,
Speaker 1: four days later. So in this episode it's six weeks later,
Speaker 1: six weeks go by.
Speaker 2: This is four days later.
Speaker 1: TMZ gets this out and everyone's fucking watching this video
Speaker 1: and it's still up. And apparently Janey says she's never
Speaker 1: watched it, much like the priests in this episode, she's
Speaker 1: never watched it. But this one article I was reading
Speaker 1: that I'll link to in my sources said they talked
Speaker 1: to a sports psychologist who has worked with a lot
Speaker 1: of pro athletes who said, quote, if your whole life
Speaker 1: you're trained to be aggressive, other things tend to come
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 2: Their job is to be aggressive.
Speaker 1: So that's like what a lot of sports psychologists were
Speaker 1: saying about, like where that behavior came from.
Speaker 2: Because this guy, like so when does that stop? That's
Speaker 2: the excuse.
Speaker 1: It's like Benson where it's like, oh, you're right, not
Speaker 1: a problem, Yeah, sure, go off? Like that means why
Speaker 1: are all the other athletes. Not doing that means everyone
Speaker 1: in the military, like every aggressive job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then be anyone you want up. No, I know.
Speaker 1: But this guy is also saying, like Ray Rice's thing
Speaker 1: was like look at my look at my record, Like
Speaker 1: I don't have a single blemish on my record, Like
Speaker 1: this is the one moment in my life. And it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but if this moment in your life hadn't been caught
Speaker 1: on tape, who's to say it wouldn't have kept going.
Speaker 2: So anyway, the raven You're right, like he wasn't even worried.
Speaker 1: It was that's because what if she died, what if
Speaker 1: she d spooky about it. She's lying there lifelessly. You're
Speaker 1: not on the ground, You're not like, babe, babe, are
Speaker 1: you okay? Like you're just standing there like it's it's
Speaker 1: it's a little spooky. But like the Ravens called his
Speaker 1: arrest quote unquote a serious matter.
Speaker 2: He was suspended indefinitely.
Speaker 1: On March twenty seventh of twenty fourteen, a grand jury
Speaker 1: indicted Rice on third degree aggravated assault, which would have
Speaker 1: had a possible jail sentence of three to five years
Speaker 1: and a fine a fifteen k but the next day,
Speaker 1: which was six weeks after the incident. The day after
Speaker 1: he was indicted, they got married, So they hadn't been married,
Speaker 1: and so much like in this episode, they got married.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry the grand jury in Diamond must have been
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, right, because this didn't happen until twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: So I said the year wrong on that last thing.
Speaker 1: But Rice was suspended from these first two games. The
Speaker 1: criminal charges were eventually dropped because Rice agreed to undergo
Speaker 1: court supervised counseling. On September eighth of that year, he
Speaker 1: was released from the Ravens. He actually appealed his suspension
Speaker 1: on the grounds that he was suspended twice for the
Speaker 1: same offense, which is a violation of NFL rules, And
Speaker 1: on the twenty eighth of November of that year, twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: it was announced that he won his appeal to be
Speaker 1: reinstated to the NFL, and he was reinstated, and on
Speaker 1: January fifteenth of twenty fifteen, he and the Ravens settled
Speaker 1: a lawsuit. He sued them for about three and a
Speaker 1: half million dollars in back pay that he said he
Speaker 1: would have earned in those final fifteen weeks after he
Speaker 1: had done his two game suspension so in twenty so
Speaker 1: at this point he's won three and a half million
Speaker 1: dollars and he's reinstated to the NFL. It's twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: He tells everybody, hire me. I'm a free agent, like,
Speaker 1: I'll give all of my season salary to domestic violence
Speaker 1: ch charities if you sign me. No one signed him,
Speaker 1: and in twenty eighteen he announced that his football career
Speaker 1: was over. He never played professionally ever again. So after that,
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to see what he's been doing.
Speaker 1: He became a motivational speaker. He talks to high school
Speaker 1: students and college athletes by speaking out about domestic violence,
Speaker 1: using his thing as a cautionary tale. In twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: he went on CBS This Morning with Janey and said
Speaker 1: he hates the person he sees in that video. He said, quote,
Speaker 1: I'll be the first one to say it. I don't
Speaker 1: have to retire to tell you I'm done with football.
Speaker 1: The pressure I was under of being a star, that
Speaker 1: was the person I hated the most, and he just
Speaker 1: kept He says in this interview.
Speaker 2: A bunch of times, I hate the guy.
Speaker 1: I hate that guy in that video he says he
Speaker 1: doesn't need a second chance. He already got it when
Speaker 1: a Jina agreed to marry him. It's really hard because
Speaker 1: sometimes these articles say twenty twenty two, but they were
Speaker 1: written in twenty eighteen. They've just been updated with a
Speaker 1: new date. So they have a daughter named Raven. It's
Speaker 1: hard for me to figure out how old she is.
Speaker 1: He told Men's Journal, I got so.
Speaker 2: Weird, Like you played on the Ravens and then you
Speaker 2: named your daughter Raven. Yeah, Raven with a y r,
Speaker 2: a y v ian. No, I see, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: didn't that that's weird. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: But he's so he's really big into Baltimore, like there
Speaker 1: were his team, Like he was a big person in
Speaker 1: Baltimore's I don't know. He said, I got publicly crucified
Speaker 1: and I deserved it to Men's Journal. And then I
Speaker 1: mean Janey like stood by his side the whole time.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find out if she ever, like had
Speaker 1: a career. She ended up going to college down in
Speaker 1: Baltimore to Townsend to be near him when he was
Speaker 1: playing for the Ravens.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if she's if she works.
Speaker 1: I literally tried to find stuff about her, but she
Speaker 1: wrote in an Instagram post, if your intentions were to
Speaker 1: hurt us, embarrass us, make us feel alone, take all
Speaker 1: happiness away. You've succeeded on so many levels. Just know
Speaker 1: we will continue to grow and show the world what
Speaker 1: real love is. Raven's Nation, we love you. So obviously
Speaker 1: they're very into the Ravens somehow, because this is like
Speaker 1: a post about your family and a very serious domestic
Speaker 1: violence thing to happen, and at the end you're like
Speaker 1: hashtags big ups for Raven's Nation.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit weird.
Speaker 1: But apparently he's moved to Stanford, Connecticut, which is a
Speaker 1: city I used to live in as a child and
Speaker 1: is very close to where I grew up, and he
Speaker 1: as of twenty seventeen, I was reading something that he
Speaker 1: was coaching at his old high school in New Rochelle
Speaker 1: High School. But it's really hard to see what he's
Speaker 1: up to, Like right now, I did see that. Let
Speaker 1: me see one's the one thing because I saw Jane
Speaker 1: Is on Instagram.
Speaker 2: I can't tell.
Speaker 1: Jane Rice public figure thirty eight point five thousand followers
Speaker 1: owners of QTS and kob boutique just can't tell if
Speaker 1: this is her. It is her, It is her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's her. So they got pictures of sports up here.
Speaker 1: It looks like they're thriving. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know what's going on with the fam. He's not maybe
Speaker 1: it is very much. It's an interesting perspective to have
Speaker 1: an abuser like do the you know, do the motivational
Speaker 1: speaking and be like, don't be like me, but yeahing
Speaker 1: about it feels off to me too, for do you
Speaker 1: act like the vict like he's saying everything right in
Speaker 1: everything that you just explained, you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, like he really is.
Speaker 1: He's not like the guy in the episode who's kind
Speaker 1: of like this was a private moment. I mean, he's like,
Speaker 1: that was the worst moment of my life. I did
Speaker 1: a horrible thing, like the fame, and I don't like
Speaker 1: maybe he was, I mean, who knows. Maybe he was
Speaker 1: like on steroids. Don't those make you aggressive? Like who knows?
Speaker 1: But now it's like he there's photos of them all
Speaker 1: over her instagram of like love you. She's not really
Speaker 1: on it in the past two years. I'll say that
Speaker 1: maybe they're having problems, but their kids are on there,
Speaker 1: the kid and it looks like she's playing sports and
Speaker 1: it's cute, but.
Speaker 2: It is wild because I bet he like, you know,
Speaker 2: he's gonna be real rich.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what he's doing and I don't know what you but
Speaker 1: that should be the president. That should be the president.
Speaker 1: If you hit a woman, you lose everything? Like why
Speaker 1: is it like, oh, but what about his future? Why
Speaker 1: can't the standard be if you hit a woman, you
Speaker 1: lose everything. That's it, that's the rule. Yeah, something I was,
Speaker 1: why do we have to have leeway for these men?
Speaker 1: I don't get it?
Speaker 2: Well, I was.
Speaker 1: Reading too that the Ray Rice case like sort of
Speaker 1: like it did kind of make the NFL a lot
Speaker 1: more reactionary about like domestic violence stuff because there's been
Speaker 1: other obviously other players that have been in this situation
Speaker 1: and they've been like, well, we're not going to make
Speaker 1: the same mistake we made with Ray Rice, because I
Speaker 1: think they didn't. People didn't feel like he got enough
Speaker 1: of a punishment or whatever. But like so they're harder
Speaker 1: on other people. I guess when this happens now, But.
Speaker 2: That's the story.
Speaker 1: In case you weren't around in twenty fourteen when it
Speaker 1: was going on it's not really. Sometimes I research these
Speaker 1: things and I'm like, oh, there's so much more.
Speaker 2: I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing that he just says is like,
Speaker 1: I have no I have, There's nothing on my record
Speaker 1: I have, Like my wife if I was, if I
Speaker 1: was a serial abuser, my wife would have left.
Speaker 2: I mean, people say that all the time. That's not true,
Speaker 2: but I don't know. So that's that.
Speaker 1: But we have an amazing interview that's going to cleanse
Speaker 1: the palette right now. So everybody sit tight, guys, our
Speaker 1: guest today, I just want to reiterate, as we have
Speaker 1: been doing that this interview was recorded prior to the
Speaker 1: SAG strike, so no one is breaking any rules.
Speaker 2: This was pre recorded.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that, And without further ado, our guest today,
Speaker 1: Oh truly Booked and blessed, has starred in some of
Speaker 1: the most popular TV shows of all time.
Speaker 2: He was a series.
Speaker 1: Regular on the Wire on The Walking Dead. He can
Speaker 1: also recently be seen on The Orville. But you know
Speaker 1: him today as former professional football player and wife abuser
Speaker 1: AJ Martin. Please enjoy our convo with the very talented
Speaker 1: Chad L.
Speaker 2: Coleman.
Speaker 1: Hi, Chad, where are you right now?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I'm at the Weston in.
Speaker 2: La in La Okay, cool? Where are you based? Are you?
Speaker 3: Do?
Speaker 4: You?
Speaker 2: You don't live in.
Speaker 4: La not now, I'm in Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we love Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Well, it looks like Law and Order original recipe was
Speaker 1: like one of your first gigs, Like it's at the
Speaker 1: very beginning of your IMDb. Was that like one of
Speaker 1: your first TV things that you did?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, so then you got you got into
Speaker 1: the Dick Wolf universe.
Speaker 2: In the mid nineties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 1: Then you were on another episode of SBU called Rotten
Speaker 1: where you played a prison warden you know three yes,
Speaker 1: So then what got you back for this episode where
Speaker 1: they were like we love that prison warden, let's bring
Speaker 1: him in for this or like did you audition or
Speaker 1: what was the deal?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, you know at that point in time,
Speaker 4: I was working on the on the Walking Dead and
Speaker 4: they were already familiar with my work, and I thought
Speaker 4: that I would be great for that role, the kind
Speaker 4: of Ray Rice's character. Yeah, the producers just came to
Speaker 4: me and said, hey, man, this is what we're trying
Speaker 4: to take on.
Speaker 3: You know, this is the subject matter.
Speaker 4: And we want somebody that people will feel sympathetic towards
Speaker 4: and just not write them off. Is you know the
Speaker 4: domestic violence guy one on one, I hate him, you know,
Speaker 4: and just shut him down. So they wanted someone that
Speaker 4: could you know, they evoke empathy from people and so
Speaker 4: so something that people would have to wrestle with, you know.
Speaker 4: And then you know when you said Megan Good is
Speaker 4: going to play your wife? You know that part?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem, no problem.
Speaker 1: So you're in you know, Wire, Walking Dead kind of
Speaker 1: cults culty type beloved shows. Do you know what someone's
Speaker 1: about to like bother you on the street, like by
Speaker 1: looking at them, They're like, oh, you're a Walking Dead person.
Speaker 2: You're you're about to bring up the wire?
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: I wish it was that easy to peg. You know,
Speaker 4: it's really not. I feel like it's a lot of crossover.
Speaker 4: I would I would be generalizing.
Speaker 3: I can't tell. I can't tell you get the most
Speaker 3: of course.
Speaker 4: The Walking Dead. The volume is that you know, like
Speaker 4: sheer volume alone. But you know the Wire is that
Speaker 4: that you know was not a critical hit. You know
Speaker 4: that just I mean it was a critical hit, but
Speaker 4: was not you know, a mass appeal. It's grown into
Speaker 4: you know, having a mass appeal because of the substance
Speaker 4: of the show and the way it was done, and
Speaker 4: that the appreciation for the artistry of it. But you know,
Speaker 4: The Walking Dead was a massive hit, you know, right,
Speaker 4: so so Sheer numbers alone, it's going to be The
Speaker 4: Walking Dead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, okay, we'll talk.
Speaker 1: So you knew it was ray Rice this SVW part.
Speaker 1: And obviously it's like a sensitive topic at SVU. Did
Speaker 1: you have any hesitation or any thoughts, any research going into.
Speaker 4: It, you know, initial residence, reticent about playing a domestic
Speaker 4: violence guy, you know, but at the same time, understanding
Speaker 4: that we're talking, it's a subject matter. Somebody's got to
Speaker 4: play the role in order for us to have a
Speaker 4: deeper conversation, you know, So it's relevant from that standpoint
Speaker 4: that you know, I am hugely, obviously hugely against domestic
Speaker 4: violence and a man putting hand on a woman.
Speaker 1: That would be a twist, that would be a wild
Speaker 1: twist in this interview if if you were proud.
Speaker 3: If.
Speaker 4: Well, come to find out, Uh, it's such, it's such
Speaker 4: a it's a subject matter to me that let's address it.
Speaker 4: Let's always address it. Let's let's keep it on the
Speaker 4: front burner and uh, you know, in no way, shape
Speaker 4: perform should we be burying this and you see it.
Speaker 4: It's obviously it's relevant at all times to see what's
Speaker 4: going on in media right now with.
Speaker 3: A particular high profile actor.
Speaker 4: You know, it's real, it's a thousands real, it's in
Speaker 4: our communities, families.
Speaker 3: Uh. So I did.
Speaker 4: And you know, I'm an advocate for love Life Now,
Speaker 4: an organization in Boston that's uh you know, uh, an
Speaker 4: advocate against domestic violence.
Speaker 3: And so I was working with her, and you know,
Speaker 3: I can look at my childhood, my.
Speaker 4: Father, you know, this stuff was huge, and the narrative
Speaker 4: around that and what he did to my mom, that
Speaker 4: stuff was real. So I always want to be an
Speaker 4: advocate for that. And then I wanted to know, Okay,
Speaker 4: how are you going to tell this story? And they
Speaker 4: did a heck of a job of you know, presenting
Speaker 4: it from so many different angles.
Speaker 3: The fact that he had to go to jail was
Speaker 3: important to me.
Speaker 4: You know, you know, you got to the consequences should
Speaker 4: be that as far as I'm concer so the fact
Speaker 4: that this high profile dude, you know, even though his
Speaker 4: wife was in support of him, it was a really complex,
Speaker 4: layered approach to the story, and I thought it was
Speaker 4: handled incredibly well and it just it covered it from
Speaker 4: all angles there was. They weren't trying to vilify the man.
Speaker 4: They were just trying to hold him accountable, and I
Speaker 4: thought that was great. And his arrogance and inability to
Speaker 4: see you know, his the era of his ways, you know,
Speaker 4: So there's butt to jail there you go.
Speaker 3: You know, you're not You're not above the law.
Speaker 4: So I want to send that message to you know,
Speaker 4: high profile athletes, actors, whoever, who think that they have
Speaker 4: the right to do these things. No, you do not,
Speaker 4: and you should be punished, you know, completely, an absolute
Speaker 4: to the letter of the law. So that's where I
Speaker 4: was with it. And and we want to do substance
Speaker 4: of work. You don't always have to play the good guy.
Speaker 4: It's somebody that everybody loves, uh And evidently people will
Speaker 4: appreciate that you took on.
Speaker 3: A role that you know.
Speaker 4: That could possibly have you seen in a negative light.
Speaker 4: But recognizing no, if we don't tell the story, then
Speaker 4: then then it's not in the forefront as it should be.
Speaker 3: So that's why that's why I was with it.
Speaker 1: Did you guys film the the security camera footage or
Speaker 1: those stand ins or did you guys do that?
Speaker 4: No, we did that and that was very tough and
Speaker 4: that was that was that was rough. But again, you
Speaker 4: can't give it a soft landing. You gotta go for
Speaker 4: it because that's the horrific nature of it and if
Speaker 4: you do anything less then you're not doing service to it.
Speaker 4: But I was just totally you okay, you know, always
Speaker 4: like checking in with her to make sure that she
Speaker 4: was okay with with everything that was going down, and.
Speaker 3: We worked it out to it. But she, you know,
Speaker 3: she's like, come on, now, let's go for it.
Speaker 4: You know, this needs to be as brutal as it
Speaker 4: is in order for you know, it to resonate with
Speaker 4: the audience.
Speaker 3: It needs to be that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it is shocking and hard to watch, like
Speaker 1: you know, like the video that you know came out
Speaker 1: on the news. Well, one thing I noticed throughout this
Speaker 1: whole episode, you do so like much acting without saying
Speaker 1: a word.
Speaker 2: Your faces say so much. Like on top just.
Speaker 1: Gave one look to Megan Good and it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, who the like, what is happening in this house?
Speaker 2: Which is one was so impressive?
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, Yeah, it's gonna be a problem. You know,
Speaker 4: you're doing what are you doing?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: I mean, unfortunately those guys are like that, very much
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 3: It is the ego maniac. Yeah, a lot of ways like.
Speaker 4: I run this and you know you better andize step
Speaker 4: out of line. It's it's it's so unfortunate. And I
Speaker 4: just hope that we're men continue to evolve with a
Speaker 4: clear understanding and that you know, that.
Speaker 3: Is a no go.
Speaker 4: And you know, unfortunately not enough men are teaching their sons.
Speaker 4: But hey, I was taught by my older brother. The
Speaker 4: brother just said tyne a woman and that stuck with
Speaker 4: me for my life, you know, and no one seems simple,
Speaker 4: but it you got to drill drill it home. Coming
Speaker 4: from certain communities, you do have to drill it home.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately it can be more commonplace than it should be.
Speaker 2: So and then you would like how was?
Speaker 3: How was?
Speaker 1: Because it was kind of translating even into the relationship
Speaker 1: with the sun, because you were at that moment where
Speaker 1: you kind of yell at him. And you know, that's
Speaker 1: a similar thing where people just learn not from their parents,
Speaker 1: you know, like this is how you control your children
Speaker 1: or you keep your kids in line or whatever.
Speaker 2: But how was it working with that kid actor?
Speaker 1: Were you like, I'm a nice guy, like in between takes,
Speaker 1: like what because like.
Speaker 3: I really like a ten year old.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I naturally love kids and gravitate. So my energy
Speaker 4: was to protect him, but also to show him that
Speaker 4: this is how you be a professional.
Speaker 3: When you do your work. You do your work fully.
Speaker 4: And absolutely I'm making apologize apologies for doing your work,
Speaker 4: but you don't have to have the work bleed into
Speaker 4: you know, the on set energy. It doesn't have to
Speaker 4: be that way. So I'm gonna you get comfortable until
Speaker 4: you're not. But when we say action, you know, I
Speaker 4: got to do my work, and so I want you
Speaker 4: to want him to understand.
Speaker 3: That, right.
Speaker 1: Have you ever worked with someone that stays in character
Speaker 1: the whole time and then you're so annoyed?
Speaker 4: Like yeah, yeah, I try not to be annoyed. But
Speaker 4: you know, everybody owns their space, you know that. I'm
Speaker 4: like that, like do you do it? And you know
Speaker 4: a lot of time what happens is, you know, people
Speaker 4: are put on their headphones and just be you know,
Speaker 4: like in the corner and stuff, and I'm like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: whatever it takes for you no problem and if you
Speaker 4: especially with stuff like this.
Speaker 3: He's a very very.
Speaker 4: Heavy, you know, deep drama kind of situations, so some
Speaker 4: people have to ramp up, you know. For me, it's
Speaker 4: more just about relaxation and being true to the story,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And they did such a
Speaker 4: heck of job of writing it. I think it was
Speaker 4: Warren light. I believe it was. You know, if you
Speaker 4: just if you're present and you're relaxed in the truth
Speaker 4: of what's on that page, then you know, for me,
Speaker 4: I don't have to do a lot of ramping up.
Speaker 4: I'm more so concerned with the other actors feeling comfortable
Speaker 4: and safe, you know.
Speaker 3: But we had some.
Speaker 4: Fun too, because I got to you know, ic Tea
Speaker 4: is like the coolest uncle on the planet, you know,
Speaker 4: and you know he's funny. You know, we got to
Speaker 4: chat and talk for real. I wrapped for him. He
Speaker 4: said I could rap, and I was like, oh wow,
Speaker 4: RISK rapped and it was like oh wow, you know,
Speaker 4: so that was we would have. You know, sometimes when
Speaker 4: the subject matter is so heavy, you do want to
Speaker 4: have some levity in between takes and stuff, because it's
Speaker 4: already an uncomfortable subject matter.
Speaker 3: So I didn't know risk could.
Speaker 4: Rapt but she she's funny too. They're both very funny.
Speaker 4: You know you you're going to have a good time
Speaker 4: working with them, for sure. And then I see he
Speaker 4: wanted to talk about Milwaukee dead. He's at y'all. He's
Speaker 4: at y'all, you know who need to.
Speaker 3: Be killed off? Call?
Speaker 4: Okay, he don't listen to his father? Need to take
Speaker 4: off that damn hat? I said, I see who says
Speaker 4: that man who says that the kids should be killed
Speaker 4: off each other? But I guess they listened.
Speaker 3: They heard him.
Speaker 4: You know, probably took what three maybe three or four
Speaker 4: more seasons, but you know, Carl was killed off. But
Speaker 4: he had he had a huge beef for that character,
Speaker 4: the kids, Carricter.
Speaker 2: It's so funny.
Speaker 1: He's like, it's an apocalypse, a zombie apocalypse. But take
Speaker 1: your hat off.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 3: You had listening to your damn father. He's great.
Speaker 2: Did you get any ice cold facts?
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 4: He was talking about the state of rap So you
Speaker 4: know when he was doing that dissertation, I was all
Speaker 4: these bad you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wait did you start in theater or were you
Speaker 1: or no?
Speaker 2: Like why did you you did?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So I got to New York in eighty nine. Actually,
Speaker 4: the first thing I did was to stand in on
Speaker 4: the Cosby Show. I thought I was audition I was
Speaker 4: so new to the city, you know, I thought I
Speaker 4: was auditioning for the show. I was actually auditioning to
Speaker 4: have a piece of tape across my just saying THEO.
Speaker 1: But what stand ins make more than background? So you're
Speaker 1: not at the merry bottom.
Speaker 4: No, No, that was that. It was a cool gig,
Speaker 4: you know, it was at that time. It was just after.
Speaker 4: It was an after gig. Yeah, you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: look at the experience you there with all these iconic
Speaker 4: people and you know, absorbing everything.
Speaker 3: You know, a thing. I know cos was dealing with it.
Speaker 4: What we're you know, part of what we're talking about
Speaker 4: right now. Yeah, but at that time, you know, he
Speaker 4: was just this iconic dude, and uh, Lisa Bonet and
Speaker 4: you know Lisa bone was dating that's when she was
Speaker 4: dating Lenny Kravitz at that time. Wow, she would come
Speaker 4: she would come to the US to the studio. Was
Speaker 4: calling a story of studios and queens and story of things.
Speaker 4: So she would come to the studio say hey, guys, hey, guys,
Speaker 4: could you guys, please play Lenny's music for the pre show,
Speaker 4: because nobody knew who Lenny Kravitz was at the time,
Speaker 4: and you know she was trying to promote her.
Speaker 1: Man, God, were how was it being in New York
Speaker 1: in that time and acting like obviously story like, how
Speaker 1: do you remember that time?
Speaker 3: It was so exciting, you know, I was so excited.
Speaker 3: I was following my dreams.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't care for Richmond Virginia, uh made
Speaker 4: if I made his way to New York. And I
Speaker 4: was just a wide eyed excited, very cocky and sure
Speaker 4: of what I could do.
Speaker 3: So you know, I literally I was fired from the show.
Speaker 4: Because I was you know, I got desponded after finding
Speaker 4: out that they're not even going to give me a
Speaker 4: shot to be on the show.
Speaker 3: I'm doing this so I could be on the show.
Speaker 3: I even told Malchael Jamon one of that.
Speaker 4: He said, he said, I said, no, man, I'm an actor.
Speaker 4: He's It's like, he said, who's a professional standard? Maybe
Speaker 4: they are, but I'm not one of them. So I
Speaker 4: was I wanted to be on the show because when
Speaker 4: you when you rehearse, you're doing the lines and the
Speaker 4: blocking just as they would and they show you on
Speaker 4: the monitors throughout the throughout the soundstage as if you
Speaker 4: were that character. And I was really good. I knew
Speaker 4: I was good at what I was doing, so and
Speaker 4: they did too. But so, you know, eventually I was like,
Speaker 4: I would be so despondent when it was time, Like
Speaker 4: you work Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, and they take for
Speaker 4: a Friday and you're not there. So every Friday I'm
Speaker 4: on the train crying, like why can I be? You know,
Speaker 4: I want to be on the show. So inevitably, Malcolm,
Speaker 4: you know, the Cogy show ends and Malcolm has a
Speaker 4: new show called Here and Now, and I got it.
Speaker 3: I got a guest star. I wrote on there.
Speaker 4: Oh so when I showed up, he's like, yo, I said,
Speaker 4: I told you that.
Speaker 1: You mentioned it's like, you know what it's like to
Speaker 1: be on a show that hits and gets that level.
Speaker 1: When did you When did you realize Walking Dead like
Speaker 1: it's all going to be what it was like While
Speaker 1: you guys are filming premiere, like.
Speaker 4: You realize, well, you know, I was watching it, but
Speaker 4: you know, season three it was you know, I came
Speaker 4: in at the halfway point of season three and by
Speaker 4: season three, it was finding its momentum. You know, really
Speaker 4: it could you know what all it is? Everywhere you
Speaker 4: turn people are talking about it.
Speaker 2: Good it all the after show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then all of that stuff was birthed.
Speaker 4: You know, when did you have a show about a
Speaker 4: talk show about a show?
Speaker 3: Right? Very often?
Speaker 4: And uh so everything about it took off, you know,
Speaker 4: everywhere you turned that people were just talking about it.
Speaker 4: So that's that that part. And then you know, I
Speaker 4: wasn't even looking at my you know, social media numbers.
Speaker 4: They were going through the roof, especially when I was
Speaker 4: killed off. I think that's probably when when the numbers
Speaker 4: went up, you know, and you know, in the hundreds
Speaker 4: of thousands.
Speaker 2: So uh people devastated.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, incredibly. So's they still talk about it today still.
Speaker 4: One of those I had two iconic, really iconic episodes
Speaker 4: of One was called The Grove, where.
Speaker 3: I had to confront a character about killing.
Speaker 4: Who had killed my girlfriend on the show. And this
Speaker 4: is someone I thought I was in allegiance with and Carol.
Speaker 3: So when Carol killed my.
Speaker 4: Girlfriend, she admitted to kill my girlfriend. And it was
Speaker 4: one of the most iconic scenes that's ever been done.
Speaker 4: And that was amazing and then the having to kill
Speaker 4: the little girl.
Speaker 3: She had to kill a little girl was incredible.
Speaker 4: And so the Grove is one of those show episodes
Speaker 4: that sits out and then My and My Death episode,
Speaker 4: those two likes. It's been what eleven seasons, and if
Speaker 4: you said top ten shows episodes, those two episodes would
Speaker 4: be in the top ten still, you know. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: pretty pretty powerful, impactful, memorable stuff.
Speaker 2: Wait, I have one.
Speaker 1: This is from saw a photo while we were researching
Speaker 1: you the makeup on Orville.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I love I love Clydon.
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, our storyline has been huge for
Speaker 4: the LGBTQ plus community because they look at it as
Speaker 4: same sex, you know, and they also look at.
Speaker 3: The transgender community with our daughter who's.
Speaker 4: A son now, you know, or no our yeah, our
Speaker 4: daughter who became a son, who became a daughter, you know.
Speaker 3: But the the.
Speaker 4: LGBTQ plus community has been really appreciative of that storyline.
Speaker 4: They're able to extract from it, you know, some of
Speaker 4: their own experiences and that's been amazing. But in terms
Speaker 4: of the makeup, it takes an hour and ten minutes.
Speaker 2: Oh, I thought it would be way longer.
Speaker 4: I know. Seth was very pointed about us not being
Speaker 4: in the makeup chair for like three hours.
Speaker 3: It's TV.
Speaker 4: You know, we don't have the time and you know,
Speaker 4: just spend in a chair like you do on some
Speaker 4: film sets. So he was Howard berger uh Is with
Speaker 4: K and B special effects makeup, probably the premiere company
Speaker 4: in the in the game now and Howard created this thing.
Speaker 4: So he made a cowl of the head and now
Speaker 4: you do his tack it down around your face, and
Speaker 4: then the second pieces like the batman mask, the eyes
Speaker 4: and the nose boom and then a little chin. Most
Speaker 4: of the time is spent spraying.
Speaker 3: Down and evening out the makeup, you know, but it's
Speaker 3: it was. It was very efficient, but it looks so elaborate,
Speaker 3: but it was. He did most of the work for us,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're not getting recognized from the Orville pretty much.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe I am.
Speaker 3: No they It's what happens is to go I know
Speaker 3: that voice.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yeah, the voice totally.
Speaker 4: But then a lot of people were like, oh, shoot,
Speaker 4: I didn't know Jack Coleman under there, Like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I saw I saw Alan Rickman and a Galaxy quest.
Speaker 3: That's when I first like, I want to be in
Speaker 3: you know, I'd love to be and uh, a couple
Speaker 3: of others.
Speaker 4: Enemy minds, you know, and that was Lucasset inside of
Speaker 4: them in the makeup. There's been a few that you
Speaker 4: know resonated, so it's an actor. I always felt like
Speaker 4: that would be cool to do, so I was happy
Speaker 4: to be able to do it.
Speaker 1: I love introducing someone as a wife abuser. That was
Speaker 1: really funny. It was hard not to fully tackle and
Speaker 1: he because he seems like the nicest man in real life,
Speaker 1: as everybody is. Every asshole on the show is like
Speaker 1: comes on our podcast and is the nicest person in
Speaker 1: the world. But he was come into us live from
Speaker 1: a hotel room and I seeing the time, and one
Speaker 1: of the funniest things in the history of the world happened,
Speaker 1: which is someone was in the background but didn't realize
Speaker 1: there was a video and he had to go, girl,
Speaker 1: there's a video, and then she jumped like in a
Speaker 1: movie where she was covering like a bomb from exploding
Speaker 1: a village. She jumped over the bed. It was so funny,
Speaker 1: it was incredible. So thanks for that live laugh for us.
Speaker 1: That was fantastic and an incredible actor.
Speaker 2: Person, you know. I just I really enjoyed our chat. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: great guy and so booked.
Speaker 1: He's in so many things coming up that we obviously
Speaker 1: aren't going to mention because of SAG stuff, but like,
Speaker 1: very talented man, and you'll be seeing him a lot
Speaker 1: more in the future.
Speaker 2: I feel like in tons of stuff.
Speaker 1: Ell yeah, episode, Oh my god, it is just susy.
Speaker 2: This one is great. It's layered.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, we have to help people get
Speaker 1: out of these abusive situations, but she didn't want to
Speaker 1: even when they don't want to help themselves. Yeah, she did.
Speaker 1: She wanted to be with this person. And I don't
Speaker 1: know what the right thing to do, Like what do
Speaker 1: you do? Yeah, I mean I get Olivia's point of
Speaker 1: view is like we're on the side of the law,
Speaker 1: like you broke the law. We have to do, we
Speaker 1: have to do And it's like there is an eight
Speaker 1: year old kid in the house, you know. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I remember when the Chris Brown Rihanna situation happened,
Speaker 1: a lot of people's thing was like, well, she forgave him,
Speaker 1: or she went back to her they or had a
Speaker 1: relation or whatever, and I go, that has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with me, And I hate him and fuck him
Speaker 1: and I will never support him, you know, like I
Speaker 1: to me, it doesn't matter if if you did something
Speaker 1: fucked up to someone and they forgave you, that is
Speaker 1: their prerogative and that is their right of course, but
Speaker 1: I will hate you and I don't care. Yeah that
Speaker 1: was I mean, there's an s for you based on
Speaker 1: that that we've been avoiding handling, but.
Speaker 2: We definitely have been because it's so it's upsetting.
Speaker 1: It's upsetting and that no one cares and that the
Speaker 1: Reverend defended him in this episode. Yeah, that really gets
Speaker 1: my blood boiling.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Not good, not good.
Speaker 1: I mean it's just like yeah, and it's it's hard
Speaker 1: because it's like even I thought myself feeling bad for
Speaker 1: ray Rice when I was doing this research because I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, he really says nothing else ever happened,
Speaker 1: and like there's never been a blemish on his record
Speaker 1: except for this one time that he fucking like cold
Speaker 1: cocked his wife and then just like didn't seem scared
Speaker 1: at all or upset that he had done it. Like
Speaker 1: I understand, people see red, they go on to it
Speaker 1: and then then it's like, oh my god, what have
Speaker 1: I done? Like there was none of that, and so
Speaker 1: that makes me think like, yeah, I guess if this
Speaker 1: hadn't happened and you had it lost your whole career
Speaker 1: and been under the public microscope, Like, who knows what
Speaker 1: you would have done next time. You know, there's no
Speaker 1: way that was the first. You don't just punch someone
Speaker 1: out cold like that.
Speaker 3: I know. That is what.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. So you know how I always call
Speaker 2: this the conair rule.
Speaker 1: I was with my sister and she got into a
Speaker 1: little thing with someone because basically, oh, I can't live
Speaker 1: in and tell you this. So they know somebody whose
Speaker 1: son is defending people against bullies, but he has a
Speaker 1: black belt in taekwondo, and so he chokes these kids
Speaker 1: out until they pass out. And so the whole discussion
Speaker 1: is like their parents, though, are suing the school for
Speaker 1: not doing enough about bullying, even though their kid is
Speaker 1: the one who has choked out three people till they
Speaker 1: pass out, which to me, I was like, Oh, he's
Speaker 1: gonna be a cop. This is a kid that's gonna
Speaker 1: be a cop. Because so they're not yeah, you're not punching.
Speaker 1: You're not telling a parent like you can punch someone,
Speaker 1: you can kick them, you can shove them to the
Speaker 1: ground and say don't do that, and violence is not
Speaker 1: the answer whatever, but like, all right, you hit it kid,
Speaker 1: who cares? But you're to choke out another kid until
Speaker 1: they lose consciousness is an extreme And my sister's trying
Speaker 1: to explain to these parents like no, no, no, that is wrong,
Speaker 1: like it's the con Air rule.
Speaker 2: And I go, wait, what did you just say?
Speaker 1: She goes, well, he has skills because he has a
Speaker 1: black belt in taekwondo, and I go, I say the
Speaker 1: con Air rule.
Speaker 2: I'm like, we are truly related. It just felt special.
Speaker 1: But yeah, wait, so this kid's parents are suing because
Speaker 1: he's like taking vigil he's like a vigilante. Basically, he's
Speaker 1: like taking justice into his own hands.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that he shouldn't have to.
Speaker 1: And they they're just like a litigious family, so I
Speaker 1: guess they like love suing people, so they sue people
Speaker 1: constantly and win all this money and kind of live.
Speaker 2: Off there are you know, they are not my sister's friends.
Speaker 1: They are like someone like a friend of a friend,
Speaker 1: like yeah, people they know from their past. But like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the person that was relaying the story saw no issue
Speaker 1: with this kid passing people out, and I was like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: he will be a decorated officer soon, don't you worry? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh my, my, justice to the extreme. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: to the extreme. I rock a mic like a vandal,
Speaker 1: choke out my classmates. It's a scandal, that's my I
Speaker 1: just made that up. It was a vanilla ice wrap
Speaker 1: that I did about a kid choking people at school.
Speaker 1: So I hope you guys like that. That'll be coming
Speaker 1: out on Spotify soon. I've turned to music in light
Speaker 1: of the strike. No, I guess this kid made the
Speaker 1: assistant principal cry too.
Speaker 2: He said, you don't care about children.
Speaker 1: You've done nothing here, like bullied the Like, get this kid,
Speaker 1: this kid's gonna be a cop, Like put him in now,
Speaker 1: let him be a cop now, Like, let's just get
Speaker 1: it going, start it.
Speaker 2: Do you have him a canine? Let's start. Wait. I
Speaker 2: don't want to.
Speaker 1: Give information, but they know how to be suing because
Speaker 1: the mom was a stenographer. Wow, took notes. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: took notes with those little fingers. So anyway, post more,
Speaker 1: I'm basically a tough episode. Obviously, we've talked a lot
Speaker 1: about domestic violence on this podcast. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: things going on that Megan Good is in it. I
Speaker 1: know we mentioned it in the episode, but it is
Speaker 1: like he recorded this episode and then the news came
Speaker 1: out that she was standing by Jonathan Majors in court
Speaker 1: for abuse, and it's like, how is this episode real
Speaker 1: and life real?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the timing is crazy. The timing is crazy. Let's
Speaker 2: move on to our what would Sister peg?
Speaker 3: Do?
Speaker 1: You guys know our weekly segment where we send you
Speaker 1: to a blog, magazine article made for TV movie an
Speaker 1: organization of charitable intentions to give you more information about
Speaker 1: something we talked about today. And this week, we wanted
Speaker 1: to highlight an organization that Chad mentioned in our interview
Speaker 1: with him. He has worked with the Love Life Now Foundation,
Speaker 1: which is a global awareness and education organization that supports
Speaker 1: survivors of domestic violence through year round initiatives and direct
Speaker 1: assistants to domestic violence programs. The organization was founded by
Speaker 1: Laverne Jay Gordon, who herself is a sir thriver I
Speaker 1: think her term of domestic abuse. We love to mention
Speaker 1: any organization that any of our guests work with directly,
Speaker 1: so we wanted to point you guys that way, and
Speaker 1: so for more information, go to lovelifenow dot org. As always,
Speaker 1: that'll be on our Instagram, in our stories the day
Speaker 1: that the episode comes out, and in our WWSPD highlight
Speaker 1: and next week please join us as we do Wednesday's Child.
Speaker 1: That's Season fifteen, Episode fourteen. Xoxo forever. We're obsessed with
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