WEBVTT - Spousal Privilege w/ Chad L. Coleman 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.439 Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.240 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:10.720 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on These are our stories, 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:30.840 Done done, Hello and welcome to That's Messed Up n 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:33.720 SVU Podcasts. I am one of your hosts, Kara Klank 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:38.120 and I'm Liza Traeger. We talk SVU true crime. We 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:41.720 have celeb guests that are pre taped before the strike 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:43.960 and then we will not have guests anymore until the 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:44.760 strike is over. 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:48.120 We are not scabs, thank you very much. SAG Strong, 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:49.240 WGA Strong. 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:50.920 We support the unions, all right. We're not going to 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:52.640 just talk about that the whole time like we did 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:55.960 the last episode, but we will talk about our tour 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:58.760 for a few moments before we get into our basses. 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.960 If you guys are somehow just picking up on the 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:06.720 podcast right now, on episode one hundred and forty something, 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:10.560 we are actually going on tour. We have an amazing, 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:12.720 fun live show that we do at comedy clubs and 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:15.679 venues all across the country. We're doing twenty one cities 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:18.440 starting this September, and we're going to be in the 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:24.240 Midwest the South, Toronto, Chicago. That's the Midwest. But Gus, 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:26.479 you guys know what I'm saying that mid Atlantic. We're 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:29.399 going to be in DC starting September tenth. Those tickets 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:33.200 are going fast, so grab those. And then the first 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:37.280 few shows are Atlanta, Charlotte and Rally in September, and 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:41.920 then in October we've got Buffalo, New Haven, Burlington, Vermont, Cleveland, Ohio, Boston. 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:45.280 Let's take a second to talk about Boston. Boston, you 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:48.040 guys showed up so hot for us last year. It 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:51.200 was amazing. Unfortunately it got the attention of the Wilber 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:54.120 who then booked us. And it's a very large venue 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.200 and we really really want to try to fill it. 0:01:56.280 --> 0:02:00.520 So please get tickets, bring your friends, people, anyone that's 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:02.320 ever even seen us. For you one time, I think 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:04.440 you can agree we're a fun show if you've come before, 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:06.880 and if you haven't, we're about to show you. But 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:11.720 new cities were doing Pittsburgh, Salt Lake City, Milwaukee, Saint Louis, 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:13.560 places we haven't done before. And we'll be back to 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.680 New York and Philly in December around the holidays. So 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:19.200 check that's messed up dot com. I just left out 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:23.320 a ton of different and we're doing like some big 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:27.919 prestigious venues to Chicago, Park West, Boston, wilbur So, like, 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:30.280 you guys got to come on out so or not 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.960 City Winery, Yeah, City Winery in New York. 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:35.639 So come go check out. 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:37.640 That's messed up live dot com because I totally just 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:39.600 didn't mention like ten of the cities that we're doing. 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:43.600 So go check it out, buy a tick, come see 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:46.920 us live. We sell specific tour merch on the tour. 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.519 We do meet and greets. We meet like to meet everybody. 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.800 Come and come and talk to us. Tell us what 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:55.840 your astrological sign is or your problems. We'd love to 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:59.040 hear about it. Anyway, let's move on. What's going on? 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:03.000 Today's up soda is a is a big one. But 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:05.960 what's going on in life before? You just got back 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:08.519 from New York. I did just get back from New York. 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:12.240 We're in the time machine. It really runs me ragged 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:17.440 because yesterday, I you know, I flew in at like whatever, 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.280 I slept, I woke up and then I slept for 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:22.040 four hours, and then I did dinner with you, and 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.919 then I fell asleep almost immediately when I got home, Like, Oh, 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:28.000 I'm so glad because when I when we left parted ways, 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:29.400 I was like, I bet she's gonna be up till 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:31.320 four because she's all fucked up on New York and 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:31.840 the napping. 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:33.919 I'm so glad you needed the sleep. 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.200 I think you were running on adrenaline for like seven 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:40.320 straight days. Like I was well the first like I 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:42.240 wasn't able to sleep, so I was up all night. 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:44.320 But then it's just like I am doing late spots 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:47.360 all day. My sister's my sister is a party animal. 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:51.240 I didn't realize it. She came to New York demanding 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:53.320 a party. I took her home at one am. She 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:55.960 was livid, kicking and screaming like a children being like 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:59.280 asked to be leave the pool, like she did not 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:02.840 want to go home. She but then of course falls asleep, 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.280 so like and then you know, mattin a then she 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:06.840 wants to see this and she doesn't get how the 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:08.800 city is, so she'll be like, why can't we just 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:10.560 take the ferry And it's like, cause we're on the 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:13.120 west side right now and the East side is over there, 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:16.760 and so it was just really like a fun time 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:18.599 to be in New York with my sister and. 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:20.080 We do cool shit. 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:22.560 And then Julia kept being like, normal people don't get 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:24.160 to do this. You know, we were at a premiere 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:27.320 of a TV show, so it's like, you know, just 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:29.719 but people kept coming up to me the whole party being. 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:32.279 Like, your sister's a hit, your sister's the star of 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:33.000 the party. 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:39.520 I mean, she was out and about. 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.400 I love that. Oh my gosh, speaking of New York 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:42.200 and sisters. 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.480 I'm leaving this will by the time you guys are 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:47.160 listening to this, she will already be married. 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:51.880 But I'm going to my sister's wedding on in two days. 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:54.800 I'm going to be going to New York for a 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:57.720 small courthouse wedding. I get to go inside, I get 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:00.680 to be one of the witnesses, and and then it's 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:04.240 a family dinner with my insane family and then a 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:07.480 little after party. Actually, the after party is at a 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:10.320 bar that you and I have been to together. I 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:12.479 got the name from Julia. Julia might as well just 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:14.120 come on and be a third co host of this podcast. 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:15.800 I feel like the amount that we talk about her, But. 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:17.520 Wait, type in the bar into the thing. 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:19.880 I can't live without knowing what bar are going to 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:21.839 be going to it's killing me. 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.560 It's small, but like I wasn't. I remember it being 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:25.640 we went on a summer night. 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:28.520 I remember being very cool, and it's like this wedding 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:30.920 is in July, and I just want it to be cool. 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.960 And like cause it's like twenty five of us for 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.080 that like party part of it, and I just they 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:37.800 reserved us a whole section of the bar. 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:39.440 I think the bar is pretty much just going to 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:39.880 be ours. 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.880 So but we didn't have to, like, you know, do 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:44.839 catering and all that shit. 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:47.839 I've I called so many bars in New York and 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:49.440 there's so many crazy rules. 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:51.359 But what are the rules? So if you want to 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:54.080 rent space, like what you gotta there's just like you 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.400 got to hit a minimum and like and per person 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.200 trying to give us a depositing case, you break furniture 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:02.320 and like hold Chris, all this shit. I tried to 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.479 get a cabana, yeah, and I knew it was going 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:06.680 to be expensive at summer in New York, but it 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:10.000 had a fifteen hundred dollars minimum for food and drink 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:11.520 or was it asty five hundred? 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:13.040 It was something wild. 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:16.359 I'm actually I got a after you pay for the 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:19.600 cabana itself. You need to then buy fifteen hundred dollars 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:24.000 or maybe sixty five hundred dollars, which is essentially everyone 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.520 in your party having two full bottles of liquor. I 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.440 don't understand how you would even spend sixty five hundred dollars. 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.960 I guess food. That's so funny. 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:36.080 That's like asking for people to get alcohol poisoning. 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:38.400 Yeah, dying because if. 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.000 You're you know, a bottle service, and bottles are four 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:43.600 hundred dollars or whatever. I guess you could hit that maybe, 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.800 But like even Wagoo beef is going to be one 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:48.680 hundred dollars a plate. How are you gonna hit sixty 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:51.720 five hundred dollars? Maybe I'm downplaying wago beef. You know, 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:53.839 I'm a vegetarian. I don't know how much it fucking costs. 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:57.159 But no, that's so true, Like people will be dying 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:03.440 in the sun, they all drinking thousands. Gotta hit this minimum. 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:07.680 Hand me the bottle of fucking Tito's. You know what 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:10.560 I missed from my youth? All you can eat sushi. 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:13.560 I heard there's an actual good place in La But 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:15.880 like I'm when in my early twenties there was one 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:19.680 place on a fucking Belmont in Chicago, and I would 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.120 go there with the other receptionists at the salon and 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:26.240 it was so fun and vials and you're saying, now 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:29.280 sushi's more readily available to the youth. I just am 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:32.440 not really doing sushi buffets or but like all you 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.480 can eat, like I'm not I'm not like a twenty 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:38.360 two year old on a budget looking Oh yeah, all yeah, 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.000 the buffet. I missed the buffet part. I was like, okay, okay. 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:43.920 I was like, you know, I need sushi all the time. Yeah, 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:47.040 I was like, what's this story? But no, what I 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:48.960 really love it's not all you can eat because you 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.560 do pay by the plate. I'm obsessed with rotating sushi. 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:53.120 I got it in Japan and I love it, and 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:54.680 they have it here at a place and I really 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.000 want to go we sugar. I've never I've never been 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.520 to the to the sushi belts. I would love to 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:02.119 do that so good and you just pay like per plate. 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:03.760 They stack up your plates at the end and figure 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:05.720 out what you ate because like there's different rings around 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:07.960 the plates or whatever that tell them how much everything is. 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:11.880 I like love it and it's so because it's just like, uh, 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:12.960 a little choo choo. 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:16.320 Yeah, a little choo choo. I love that so well. 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.280 I also saw two Broadway shows while I was in 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:21.800 New York, one of which a guest who you will 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:24.880 meet soon on the podcast hooked it up one of 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:29.160 her friends or like, does pr for this show, So 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:32.120 I got from our guests. I couldn't believe it. I 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.679 saw and Juliette and then I saw Shucked. 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:35.680 Both. 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:39.160 I would recommend both great times in the theater. I 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:43.960 had orchestra seats. That adds, of course, but I mean fantastic. 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.520 I just people on Broadway are the most talented people 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:51.480 in the world. Yeah, and like gymnastic Olympians. Like if 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:54.160 you combine, if you're a Broadway person who was a gymnast, 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:55.560 you are the most talented person. 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:56.480 Do you know that? 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:58.959 Actually, the day that this is coming out, I am 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:01.640 seeing in New York Titanique, which. 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:03.080 Is off Broadway. Bitch. 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:05.640 Yeah, I got tickets because I'm like, I'm going out 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:07.920 to the East Coast. I mostly stay in Connecticut with 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:09.839 my kids in the pool and like whatever, but I'm 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:11.880 taking one night to go into the city with Jared 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:15.359 and we're gonna go see Titanique, which is like literally 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:19.640 this hit, smash hit off Broadway musical about about the 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:20.920 It's the story. 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:21.400 Of the Titanic. 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.000 But okay, this music has been musical, has been out 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:26.720 way before all the submersible drama. But it's the story 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.040 of the Titanic set to the music of Celen Deon 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.560 and multiple very funny people in my life have told 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:33.320 me it's like one of the funniest things they've ever seen. 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:36.679 So it was a huge excited. It's yeah, I'm got 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:40.440 to see that. And they're like us, they bartended on 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:43.680 watch What Happens Live, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:48.280 we're all very special club of bartenders. My favorite are 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.480 the people who don't who thought we were truly going 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:51.280 to be bartending. 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:53.600 I think those are my favorite people. Oh yeah, they go, 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:54.679 oh you make those drinks? 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:56.520 Well no, When we were on it, one of the 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:57.880 guests goes, you made these drinks? 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:00.000 Were like, sir, we're backstage with you, like we did not. 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:04.600 Yeah, I have a bow in my hair, bitch, which 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.080 I haven't worn since. I got to remember that I 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:10.400 have this bow. I really like it. It is really cute. Anyways, 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:14.560 speaking of Bravo, also some New York highlights. One I 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:20.640 went to Cafe Luxembourg I had. I had sweet corn ravioli. Ooh, 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:26.559 I love that you have. I've never had black truffle 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:30.480 and pepccerino, and it was one of the best dishes 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:31.760 I've ever had in my life. 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:34.120 Did the experience. 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:36.000 Get added at Cafe Luxembourg that Kevin Bacon and Kia 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:40.600 Sedgwick were sitting behind us, Yes, that was thrilling. Casey's 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:43.640 making a face, he's excited. But my sister is such 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:45.760 a Midwest girl. She just kept being like, well, take 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:47.439 a photo of me with them in the background. And 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:49.160 I'm like, honey, we don't do that in New York. 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:52.120 We don't do that. We leave Kevin Bacon and Kia 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:56.000 Sedgwick alone. I'm writing this down in my phone right 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.560 now for you have to get that to get if 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:00.480 I'm able to get dinner the night of time Tinnique, 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:02.240 maybe because that's one of my favorite things, like a 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:04.560 sweet corn ravioli. They have something like that at Hippo 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:08.040 and it's like seasonally and it's so good. I didn't 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:10.000 know that about you because I texted our friend Lauren, 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:13.679 who loves corn famously and so I sent her the 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:15.280 and she goes to New York off and I was like, 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:16.160 you have to fuck it. 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:18.320 It was one act because that's not really even a 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:19.360 go to for me, you know. 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:21.600 I of course i'd shrimp cocktail as an app but 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:25.520 it was one of the best dishes I've ever eaten. 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:27.760 So shout out to Cafe Luxembourg. 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:32.440 Second, I would like to say, where else, Oh, the Commodore, 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:34.560 frozen moheedos delicious? 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.160 Am I trip Advisor right now? No, I'm trying to 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:38.040 get to the big thing. 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.360 The big thing is I met Garcel Bouvet and I 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:48.360 met Luannella SEPs Here, huge, huge, it's it's on it, 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.520 it's I teared up when I saw Luanne. 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:52.640 I really teared up. 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.280 I don't think like I can really like in my mind, 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.640 I act like they're just like reality people. I don't 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:02.080 really care, but like he's in six or something of Ronie. 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:05.000 I was walking past five Knapkeenberger on the Upper West 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:08.040 Side with my husband and I stopped in my tracks 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:10.760 because I saw Luanne and Jacques eating outside there, and 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.120 I made us turn around and pretend we forgot something 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:14.360 so we could walk back again. 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:16.040 Like your body takes over. 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.840 These people are important to us, like I act like 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:21.320 I don't care and like it's not like it's Meryl Streep. 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.760 It basically is to my body, I had a heart attack. Well, 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:29.160 it's also better because reality TV stars usually and Garcelle's 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.160 also an actress, so she is different. Yes, but pure 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:35.880 reality stars. They want attention, they want to talk to you. 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.760 They don't need the peace. They they're not like leave 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:42.880 me alone myself. They crave the attention. Except Ramona, I 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:45.080 hear she's a big bitch. But what can you expect? 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:49.800 But like, yeah, Luanne was happy to get photos, happy 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:54.240 to get complimented, loving my own Connecticut's own. Luanne de 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:56.439 Les subs that's my in with her. If I meet 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:58.319 her that we're both, I'm gonna start there. I'll be like, 0:12:58.320 --> 0:12:59.480 I'm from Connecticut, you know. 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.640 She loved that. And then I had a keychain I had. 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:04.800 I was I had the keychain with me that had 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.120 the fish room and the Berkshires on it. So I 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:09.680 did get made fun of by our friends, but which. 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:10.440 We bought at DragCon. 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:13.400 Yes, I sets a keychain out and I went, Luienn, 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:15.000 look at my keychain. 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.440 It as the fish room. I was drunk. I don't 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:18.760 know how if you if you. 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:22.920 Watch Lisa's stories, you saw her looking like a cross 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.720 between like I'm seven years old and my parents just 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:27.520 told me I'm going to Disney for the first time, 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:31.640 but also like possibly might cry holding the keychain with 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:35.000 Luanne next to her Luen's and a fedora looking like 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:39.679 she's partying. And it's the minute I saw I think 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:41.360 I was in bed and I gasped. I was like, 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:43.200 oh my god, and I texted you and was like 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:45.439 I'm gonna need to hear all about this right now. 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:48.280 Like it was so fun. 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:50.679 But my sister and her bonnet, because my sister doesn't 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.320 have like me and Juliet, like we sat, we watched, 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.040 we interacted, we got her foot, but then we like 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:57.400 you know, stood back, but my sister didn't give a shit. 0:13:57.480 --> 0:13:59.920 She was just in New York, so that's just the woman. 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:03.079 So she put there's photos of them with their arm 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.200 around each other and they're shit chatting. But my sister 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:09.320 kept trying to cock black Luanne and like save her, 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:11.559 and we had to be like she's a slut. 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:13.360 She fucks everyone in New York. 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:17.479 Have you not watched like Bethany opened her legs, screaming 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:19.440 at her and the berksheers about it. 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:23.440 She's a whore. No, but because that's what everyone was mad. 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.520 We're saying that positively, by the way, we're sec Yeah, 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:27.800 go fuck whoever you want. 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:29.480 Like, but yes, she kept no. 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.880 He regretted it, Bethany regretted calling her a sluthore and 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.880 all these things because we are all sex positive. They're 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.400 just mad because she plays the like dimmy or part 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:39.520 and very judgmental. 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:42.320 But we know she's out there hooking not. 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.080 She was kind of like she was she was having 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:49.240 a hard time letting go of her countess persona and 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:51.200 now I feel like she's dropped it and she's like 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:54.000 bare hands fishing and crappy. 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:54.480 Lake or whatever. 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.760 Wait wait, wait, what's the Kennedy Davenport from Drag Race 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:03.360 hook in her outfit the death thing from a night 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.680 of hooken and then the John got mad and she 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:06.800 came from the flames. 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:08.080 I wish I knew the whole quote. 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.840 You know, Kennedy Davenport, I think is the most underrated 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:15.920 Drag Race, well, one of the most confessional queens, like 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.720 not only amazing in lip syns and dancing, but like 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:22.920 those confessionals like fuck my drag right, like so many 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:26.680 things that she said are like monument like iconic slipping 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:30.120 in the air and her snatch game was revolutionary, I mean. 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:34.920 But also the my Gorsel moment class we were at apart, 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:37.840 we were in a thing together. But I think one 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:39.600 of the greatest moments of my life is we were 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:42.560 both walking out of the screening at the same time 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:46.120 and she pointed at me and brought me over and. 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.680 Hugged excuse me, and said your name. 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:51.240 Yeah, but I didn't remember that my friend because then 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:52.680 our friend was like I saw it, I saw it. 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:57.120 I saw it a huge though, like then somebody she asked, somebody, 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:58.160 what's that girl's name? 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:03.040 And then when she saw you was like, yeah, it was. 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:04.520 It was. It was wild. 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:06.360 And then we talked to her at the party for 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.960 a little bit and she posted me and my friend 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.320 in a photo with her in her main like in 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:17.000 the carousel. Garcel posted a photo of me in her 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:22.320 own carousel, So it was it was. Scroll back, scroll 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:25.680 back and Garcel boves Instagram one month and you will 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:29.360 find pictures of Lisa and just stunning, I would say, 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:34.480 stun like so beautiful, but so like chilling nice. I 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:39.120 don't know, it really was a high and like maybe 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:41.480 that was exhausting me too. While my sister was skipping 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:44.320 around town, I'm like, I am fulfilled to a point 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:45.280 where I can't really go. 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:48.200 Yeah, your your cup was run a thing over for sure. 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:50.480 But that's the great thing about New York is then 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.320 that was all amazing. We get sandwiches from the bodega. 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:56.040 Then I had to pay over seven hundred dollars to 0:16:56.040 --> 0:17:01.479 get into my locksmith. I I got locks mixed, locksmith, swindled, 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:03.760 I got smith. Well, she got locked out of the 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:06.040 apartment that she was staying in from some kind of 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:08.160 like no one knows how it happened, like that lock 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.560 doesn't lock on its own thing and called a locksmith. 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:13.840 But if you've ever listened, there's a there's a defunct 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:16.120 podcast now called reply All that I'm that I really 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:18.360 used to like. And one of the things that they 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:21.200 covered on that podcast, and you can just google locksmith 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:24.400 conspiracy and it's about how like the locksmith industry bought 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:26.760 up all the Google AdWords and people that are not 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:29.879 talented locksmith's are now the first people that you call 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:31.760 and they'll come to you. They'll say, I'll do it 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:33.680 for eighty dollars. They'll be there in half an hour. 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:35.639 Then they'll get there and go, oh, you have a 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:38.200 weird door. I have to just jacket open with a drill. 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:40.359 And then they're like, that's going to be seven hundred 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.000 dollars because they're swindling you. 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:43.800 Yeah. 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:45.800 Because then at my show at Union Hall, thank you 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:48.960 for everyone that came, I was like, how much have 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:51.280 people spent? Like, you know, when I was asking people, 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:53.920 and no one there had spent over four hundred. I 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:55.879 was mostly like the two hundred. But it was in 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:58.399 the middle of the night. I mean, whatever, it is, 0:17:58.400 --> 0:17:59.720 what it is. I needed to get into the apart. 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:02.000 And it's hot, like that's the thing Like in La 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.320 other places are hot, but air conditioning is very vital 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:08.679 part of our lives here and that's just not the 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:12.160 case in New York. You're in the streets, it's hot, 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:15.280 it's old buildings, it's window units, there's not a lot 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.160 of AC. I have heat rash under both my armpits. 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:20.679 It is I'm gonna have to bring my romy with 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:21.560 me to New York. 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:23.919 And that's not even a part of our paid advertisement. 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.080 I just feel like I have to bring it. Bring 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:30.840 the fucking loomy. The tits are sweating. It is. It 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:32.360 is brutal out there. 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:34.359 But I also had like my last night, there was 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:38.040 such a New York night, like I did our friends 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.879 sold out show. Honestly someone that was a patient of 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:44.880 your mom, doctor Klank. Yes, So I did a fun 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:47.800 show with like fun friends. It was amazing. Then we 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.000 went out to a bar, went dancing. It was like 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:53.400 a disco floor, had shots. I had a little mushrooms, 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:57.240 you know. Then we rushed over to the last hour 0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:59.960 of a carnival and it's like road the firest wheel, 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:04.800 you know, like had Italian fried cookies, just like lights. 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:06.320 You know, you feel like you're in an episode of 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:09.040 Viephoria at a carnival. And then it's just like a 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:13.000 beautiful walk home. And I had to hop over a rat. 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:15.600 A rat came at me and if I didn't jump, 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:17.800 I would have touched it. And it was like, now 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:21.440 it's a perfect New York day. Now you've been touchy 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:27.320 all of New York's finest things, the wildlife, the night life, 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:30.560 it's all there. But tonight Lisa and I are going 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:33.480 together to see theater camp, So stay tuned for next 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:34.320 week when we give. 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.720 You our review. I cannot freaking wait to see this. 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:38.520 I know the movie will be probably out of theaters 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:40.040 by the time this even comes out, but I'm like 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:42.400 so pumped to see it. Yeah, I think we're gonna 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:45.960 it's just fun, I mean for me. Unfortunately, this has 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:49.560 been like the first summer in a decade I've wanted 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:51.919 to see almost every movie, Like it is rare, Like 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:55.560 it just feels like there's something that happened this summer 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:57.960 where they've realized we just want to have a good time. 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:01.119 We just want to laugh, enjoy ourself, elves and you know, 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:03.720 and they gave it to us. It is kind of 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:06.720 nice that there's some comedies coming back, like the Jennifer Lawrence, 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:09.520 the joy Ride, like Barbie's Gonna be funny, you know, 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:12.600 Like it felt like for a few years comedies were 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:14.840 just like dead, unless it was like the Minions, and 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:16.720 you know, I still consider that high comedy. 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:19.080 But should we get started. 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:22.160 We've got an amazing episode for you guys today and 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.080 excited to show it to you. 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:30.879 Spousal privilege everyone. 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:36.440 We're doing season sixteen, episode eight from the year twenty fourteen, 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:40.440 if you want to put yourself there while we dive 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:43.600 in to the Sespeu episode. So we open up on 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:47.520 Tomorrow yelling at Maria, his wife in their loveless marriage, 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:50.320 and everyone in the office is looking at him as 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:53.359 he screams into the phone and they are judging the 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:57.160 fight is about custody and Thanksgiving and Zara, and then 0:20:57.200 --> 0:20:59.840 he hangs like he gets hung up on and then 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:03.040 he punches the lockers, and now we see Rollins is 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:06.560 also judging and a little worried. And then he opens 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:08.800 the fridge and all of this is under the stairs 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:12.119 and I really don't remember the fridge lockers stare situation. 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:13.840 When did that start? 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:18.439 Like I don't up for that, Like I really that 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:22.320 that came out of nowhere for me, and then tells 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:24.800 Rollins don't tell me what to do when she tries 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:27.280 to just be like, hey, why don't you be like positive? 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:29.600 And then he's so emo and dances off. 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:30.399 Oh. 0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:32.879 Rollins goes back to her desk and before Finn can 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:35.080 say anything, she goes, shut the fuck up, don't even 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:38.919 say it. He's like, what, But I also don't know 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:40.600 what's going on here? I wonder if Finn knows that 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:43.440 they're fucking, are they fucking at this point or. 0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:45.520 Just you know, Tomorrow's a mess. Leave him alone. You're 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:46.400 not going to help him. 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:49.440 Like, I don't actually understand this whole interaction, but it's 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:52.800 cute and I love their friendship and dynamic. So Benson 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:56.439 whoops in like a boss and asks what's up. So 0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:59.360 she sees Tomorrow with his hurt hand, and he's obviously 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:00.680 not going to tell her what's up. 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:01.320 That's the boss. 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:02.760 You can't be like I was yelling at my wife 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:04.280 in the middle of the precinct and. 0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:06.320 I punched to lock her like a yea goo. 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:10.600 And Finn and Rollins are working on their laptops or 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:12.919 pretending to work, you know, because their boss walked in, 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:16.639 I don't know. Benson catches Finn and she's like, is 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:20.040 that work related? And because he's looking at bikini models 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:23.280 and he goes, oh, it's a celebrity nude selfie leak 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:27.000 from the cloud, and Benson goes and it's SVU because 0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:30.280 and Finn's like, well, some of these girls are underage. 0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:33.760 So and then Benson goes, all right, yeah, wrap it up. 0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:38.560 I don't buy it, and fucking porn hungry Detective Somorrow 0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:41.800 walks over and acts very anti SVU. If you don't 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:43.920 want nude photos of you on the internet, don't take 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:47.159 nude photos, and Rollins tries to put him in his place. 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:49.280 Don't wear a short skirt if you don't want to 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:52.520 ge assaulted. Is that what you're saying, Amorrow? And Tomorrow 0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:55.960 looks off in silence, understanding his mistake. Then he catches 0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:58.040 something on the site and Finn is like that, Fin 0:22:58.160 --> 0:22:59.639 is on and he goes, wait, hold up, what's that? 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:02.760 So they watch a video and it's Aj Martin. He's 0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:06.560 a football correspondent, and then Rollin's you know, tomboy, tomboy 0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:09.840 to the max. She adds, well before that he won 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:13.040 the Heisman in an eight time pro bowler. And then 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:15.439 so he's in the video and it's with his baby 0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:19.560 mama and her name is Paula Bryant and they're drunk 0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:22.159 and they're walking up cement stairs and the footage is 0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:25.080 from a security camera and he slaps her ass as. 0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:27.639 They walk up, and then uh oh. 0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:30.600 The next video is him pulling her unconscious to the 0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:34.720 car in this parking garage, dragging her like a dead body. 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:38.360 Vibe and ice. He goes, whoa, and Benson goes, are 0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:41.399 you fucking kidding me? Is this a whole CELEBNU desk force? 0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:45.120 Come on guys, And Omaro's like it kind of might 0:23:45.160 --> 0:23:48.760 be more and she she recognizes AJ Martin too, and 0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:51.760 Rollins thinks this happened after the met Ball six weeks ago. 0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:55.160 The theme was black and white and that's what they're wearing. 0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:58.120 And then the music plays and Benson's like, this can't 0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:01.640 be because he wasn't picked up, Like, what's what's going on? 0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:04.600 So then in the video we see, like, you know, 0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:07.600 a uniformed kind of cop, like a patrol beat guy 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:12.119 approached the couple and as he's like pulling his lifeless 0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:15.680 girl all around into the car, and that cop should 0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:18.880 have done something. I get that this dude's a sports hero, 0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:21.840 but like, are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, he's dragging 0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:24.800 a woman around and you're like, no, no worries. It's 0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:29.320 just like it really upsets me that. But I you 0:24:29.320 --> 0:24:32.640 know what, also, even if he wasn't a sports hero 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:35.680 and he was just a dude, I bet I bet 0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:38.240 so many times a patrol cop would be like, I'll 0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:39.480 get your drunk bitch home. 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:42.399 No worries. Yeah, yeah. 0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:45.040 I always think of the Dahmer victim who ran up 0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:47.879 to the cops and Dahmer was like, this is my boyfriend. 0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:50.240 He's just like drunk, and they let him go back 0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:52.919 and he was killed by Jeffrey Dahmer. It's just so 0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:55.520 fucked up because this happened to me once in Grand Rapids, 0:24:55.560 --> 0:24:59.520 where this like limb like really limped wasted girl was 0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:01.639 getting sh into the backseat of a car and the 0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:04.680 dudes were like, not the You know, if it was 0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:06.760 my friend who was what, I'd be like, Oh god, 0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:10.120 Stacy's always the strength. What a nightmare, blah blah blah. 0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:12.399 But they like, as soon as you're defensive, I know 0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:14.680 what's up. But I called nine one one, I followed 0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:16.360 the car, I got the license plate. No one ever 0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:20.800 helped anyone, No one ever arrived. I don't know what happened. Yeah, 0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:24.560 no one cares. Yeah, like to be. 0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:26.520 A police officer seeing. 0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:30.640 Someone dragging a passed out woman and you're like, oh. 0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:31.840 You play football, No worries. 0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:36.080 Yeah, Crazy Benson wants the video of what happened between 0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:39.000 the stairs where he just smacks her butt and the 0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:41.240 parking spots where he's dragging her, like, what the fuck 0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:41.920 happened in there? 0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:42.600 Tomorrow? 0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:44.840 Can't find the footage online, but they're going to contact 0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:47.600 the garage. Benson also adds for them to contact the 0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:51.159 local precinct and taw like, what the fuck happened? That 0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:53.760 the cop did nothing? And that shocks Finn like that 0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:56.239 she even wants to investigate this, and she's like, well, 0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:58.800 after ray Rice and the others, if there's a sniff 0:25:58.800 --> 0:26:00.680 of domestic violence, we need to pounds. 0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:03.239 She spins with a hair toss, and we go right 0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:04.120 into the credits. 0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:08.160 Baby Amorro and Rollins are talking to a uniformed cop 0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:10.479 at the office, being like, come on, who doesn't hit 0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:12.520 the mother of his children when you're drunk? 0:26:12.760 --> 0:26:14.680 It happens. Who cares? 0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:18.320 He accuses Sbu of having a slow work day and 0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:20.760 that's why they're trying to take the case further. He 0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:23.639 explains his officer arrested both of them on the scene. 0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:29.199 They put cuffs on her lifeless body. They're like, she 0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:32.080 looks out of it. He says she declined medical attention 0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:35.040 and he was really polite, and then they go, well 0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:37.840 were they ever spoken to separately? And he goes, I 0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:41.520 didn't feel the need and so I just hate him, 0:26:41.640 --> 0:26:45.040 and Amorro spots an autograph football and says, oh, I 0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:46.760 get it, and the cops like whatever. 0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:47.880 AG's a legend. 0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:51.439 And so he said that she got jealous and went 0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:55.080 insane at the party, and somehow some low life leaked 0:26:55.119 --> 0:26:58.439 the video. He goes, listen, it was dismissed. Go to 0:26:58.480 --> 0:27:01.199 the DA or something. This isn't my fucking problem. This 0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:04.560 cop doesn't care. He's a nine to fiver. The job's 0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:07.399 done for you after So the go talk to Barba 0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:09.719 and he's like, not that invested in it. The ADA 0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:11.760 who took the case and didn't do an adequate job, 0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:14.840 according to Benson, is on his first vacation in three years. 0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:17.600 So Barba's like, I'm not bothering him, and I guess 0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:19.920 I have to take this case, but I am annoyed, 0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:22.199 but I know that you're SVU and you're not going 0:27:22.280 --> 0:27:24.600 to drop this. And he's like, they said it was 0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:27.280 a drunk marriage fight and nobody wanted to take it further, 0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:30.639 and he got community service but then didn't take the 0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:33.879 deal and then nothing happened and no one followed up. 0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:36.160 So it's just kind of in limbo. But the case 0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:40.440 isn't closed. There was no deal, it wasn't officially dismissed, 0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:43.879 so it is like still open. And Benson says this 0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:46.840 Eightya shouldn't have just taken the CoP's word, and Barbara goes, 0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:50.800 I take your word all the time. And she's been gotten. 0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:54.240 So Benson is pissed. And Barbara's like, we need stairwell footage, 0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:56.240 and Benson says, we're on it, We're on it, We're 0:27:56.240 --> 0:27:56.920 trying to get it. 0:27:57.480 --> 0:27:59.520 But also, you know how this goes. We've seen it before. 0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:02.440 He knocked for the fuck out, dragged her into the car, 0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:04.800 and Benson's like, he didn't take the offer, So the 0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:07.919 case is open. Find the tape or get her to 0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:10.520 change her story of slipping and falling. And so we 0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:13.800 go to their home in Greenwich, Connecticut on Pearl Lane, 0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:16.440 and I would love to live on Pearl Lane. 0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:17.600 Such a cute name. 0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:21.280 Oh there's a Pearl in New York, right, Yeah, there's 0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:21.720 got to be. 0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:23.720 So they're holding hands at the house. 0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:26.639 They're sitting side by side in really comfy chairs, and 0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:28.840 Aj explains that he didn't take the deal, but he 0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:32.320 did cooperate with police and YadA YadA, and Benson's like, well, 0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:35.600 that's pre the video coming out, and he's like, exactly, 0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:38.280 we need to get the person who leaked it. And 0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:43.040 it's like yeah, let's just what's what a nice redirection? Yeah, 0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:45.720 and they're like, oh, we're onto that too, don't worry. 0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:47.880 And a kid runs in and throws a football at 0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:50.000 Finn and he says he wants to play football like 0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:53.080 his dad. Meghan Good is playing Paula the mom and 0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:57.080 the wife and you know, football wife. So Meghan Good 0:28:57.120 --> 0:28:59.440 is like, go to your room and she says, grown 0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:01.720 folks are to and he asked, oh, what are you 0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:04.600 guys talking about, and then he gets yelled at by 0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:08.880 the dad. He's like junior, And immediately this kid is 0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:11.280 like yes sir, and the dad is like, nobody is 0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:13.160 playing with you. Get the fuck out of here, and 0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:15.320 he scurries the fuck off, and Benson. 0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:16.040 Of course reads into it. 0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:19.360 And then Finn and Aj bond over football and his 0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:22.040 son playing football, and while he's talking about the snats 0:29:22.320 --> 0:29:25.000 and what the coach told him, his wife just interrupts 0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:27.200 because she's excited and she wants to finish the sentence, 0:29:27.560 --> 0:29:29.960 and he doesn't like it. And he glares at her 0:29:30.760 --> 0:29:34.880 and she's uncomfortable and shuts up for sure. Immediately, Benson 0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:38.160 and Paula end up going to the restroom for employ 0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:40.480 obviously to get her alone. But this, you know who, 0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:44.080 This husband reminds me of Monique Samuel's husband on Potomac. 0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:46.120 Oh yeah, Chris Samuels. 0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:49.200 I got that vibe from him, like when she yawned 0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:53.200 and he go and while he was talking and he 0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:55.080 was like, oh am I boring, Like he got mad 0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:58.560 because she yawned, and I was like, oh, this is unsafe. 0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:00.800 Like when they announced their divorce. I was really happy 0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:04.160 for her. Yeah, yeah, crazy. I just this vibe like 0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:06.360 you should like just looking at someone and they have 0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:09.360 to change their behavior Like that sucks. 0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:10.560 That's a sad life. 0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:14.280 So anyways, wait, can we also take a second, though, 0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:18.440 and just talk about how Megan Good is playing this 0:30:18.600 --> 0:30:23.120 part and now eight years later, seven years later, she's 0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:27.400 dating Jonathan Majors, who's in the middle of a huge 0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:31.960 domestic violence charge. It's so crazy, like it came up 0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:35.000 by Instagram. It came up on my Instagram and I 0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:39.560 was like, wait a minute, what, Like I really really crazy. 0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:43.840 It's like art life imitating art crazy. It's it's wild. 0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:45.640 When you sent that to me, I couldn't believe it. 0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:48.800 Yeah, and Finn is left with AJ and they have 0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:51.400 a bond and a vibe together, and he's like, obviously 0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:53.480 you know why we're here, and he's like, no, I 0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:56.440 respect that. You know, you have to do your job 0:30:57.200 --> 0:31:00.400 and he's like, yeah, especially with athletes press, we need 0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:02.479 to check things out. So he's like, so what happened 0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:05.920 and he's like, we were drunk, words were exchanged and 0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:08.760 Finn's like, well, it looks like words turn into deeds 0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:12.240 and he says she even knows that this was her fault. 0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:15.400 She fell off the rails. She had a few and 0:31:15.480 --> 0:31:19.000 he wanted everything to stay tight. And Benson has Paula 0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:21.040 alone and asks if she wants to say anything. 0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:22.520 She's like, do you want to tell me anything? 0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:25.080 And she says she went after him and slipped, and 0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:27.760 Benson's like, but you were walking up the stairs, so. 0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:31.040 Like this isn't like check out. 0:31:31.480 --> 0:31:34.520 AJ cuts them off quick and he stops it, but 0:31:34.640 --> 0:31:38.120 like he runs in quick, like he has amazing hearing, 0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:40.000 Like I don't know how he like figured it out 0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:43.040 to scurry in the hallway that fucking fast, and so 0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:46.760 he's Chad Chad L. Coleman, which sounds like a fun 0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:49.920 ass name. I really like it. And he was in 0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:52.400 a season four episode which is wild. He was like 0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:55.680 a welcoming cop aka prison warden, but I like welcoming 0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:58.160 cop more in the episode Rotten. 0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:00.520 And he's in like Giant fandom. 0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:03.680 So he's in Walking Dead and the Oreville and he's 0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:06.760 just been working for decades, like he is on Fire. 0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:11.080 He works a lot and so but basically so his 0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:14.280 character AJ is like, this is my house, and anything 0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:16.440 you say to Paula, you can say to the both 0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:19.800 of us, and I have already given you enough, and 0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:21.880 I gave you permission to be in this house. 0:32:22.960 --> 0:32:24.680 This man is contra rolling. 0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:28.120 Yeah, And Benson is leaving in his swaying trench coat 0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:30.920 as Finn and Rollins are looking at Galla footage and 0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:33.600 the garage is claiming they don't have the stair footage, 0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:35.960 and Benson says, then get a fucking warrant, like we 0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:38.520 need to push them on that. Finn is being defensive 0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:41.320 of AJ and how both him and Rollins were scared 0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:44.440 of their moms and got hit and it's like okay, 0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:47.920 and you know. So he's controlling and Benson goes she 0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:51.400 is covering for him. Amaro says that he got hit 0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:53.160 by his dad and that taught him you never hit 0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:56.280 a kid or a woman, So like, stop fucking excusing it, 0:32:57.040 --> 0:33:00.640 and then rollins pick me girl extraordinaire. She's I mean, 0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:04.880 he could have been fending her off. I hate this, 0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:08.680 he's like her size, Like truly, I just hate this that, 0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:13.200 like men use their physical strength so often to prove 0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:17.480 their superiority over women, but then as soon as it's 0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:21.800 a domestic violence situation, it's like I had to defend myself. 0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:24.960 She came at me, and it's like, aren't you guys 0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:28.360 constantly saying how you're stronger and bigger and better than us. Yea, 0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:31.320 all of a sudden, you have to protect yourselves against us, 0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:32.440 our frail bodies. 0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:33.920 Especially she's not holding a. 0:33:33.880 --> 0:33:36.840 Weapon, Like if she's coming at you with a gun, okay, maybe, 0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:39.360 but like she has no weapon, She's just a tiny woman. 0:33:39.760 --> 0:33:45.520 This is you're a football player, Yeah, you're a professional 0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:50.560 beater upper, Like your job is to get hit and hit, 0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:55.680 like you had to defend yourself against your like supermodel wife. 0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:58.120 It's just fucking bullshit. 0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:02.280 Yeah, how like they'll push the needle back and forth, 0:34:02.360 --> 0:34:04.520 always like we're not equal. 0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:06.000 Oh, actually we are. 0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:11.839 She hit me, okay, yeah, so that's that's Rollin's point 0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:14.560 of view. Omorro starts to yell and then Benson answers 0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:17.000 the phone and goes, wait, oh my god, what and 0:34:17.000 --> 0:34:21.120 then they turn on LMZ aka TMZ, which is so 0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:24.560 funny because TMZ stands for thirty mile zone. So what 0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:29.320 does LMZ stand for, Lisa? 0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:30.960 What's thirty mile zone mean? 0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:34.680 The thirty mile zone is like the thirty miles around Hollywood, 0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:37.319 I think, is like what TMZ covers. 0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:38.680 Oh that's funny. I didn't know. 0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:41.439 Yeah, I never knew that. That's a fun fact. Take 0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:44.279 a drink, fun fact. We're making rules as we go. 0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:50.040 So anyways, TMZ aka MZ. They have the stare footage, 0:34:50.960 --> 0:34:54.560 so basically she's yelling at him, but then he straight 0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:58.839 up punches her in the face like a full like 0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:03.200 swing like Mike Tyson swing to his wife, and Rollins goes, 0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:07.600 well that changes everything, Paul, right, dumb bitch. Rollin's is 0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:13.640 like casey cut that. So AJ is being walked into 0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:16.359 the precinct. Paul is walking behind him, and they're all 0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:19.640 flanked by tons of detectives on either side. Benson's like, 0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:22.080 I'm so sorry, this is so public. There are no 0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:25.680 shield laws for domestic violence victims. She says, I'm not 0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:29.600 a victim. She walks off after Ben after giving Benson 0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:32.680 a dirty look, and then he's got Elizabeth Marvel. So, 0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:35.520 honey has got one of the top lawyers. I would say, 0:35:35.560 --> 0:35:37.560 this is this is a top a turn. 0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:38.360 Yeah. 0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:39.640 And so she's in the building. 0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:43.239 She has great skin, half up, half down, hairdoo, just rich, 0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:47.640 powerful and incredible, great choice. Benson lets them know they 0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:50.040 will be talked to separately. He of course does not 0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:54.759 like that, but Rita Calhoun aka Elizabeth Marvel, she's like, 0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:57.680 don't worry, You'll both have counsel, and she sends her 0:35:57.760 --> 0:36:00.920 cole counsel to go in with the wife and they 0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:04.600 all get to work legal work. His version of events 0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:06.640 is women flirt with him and he tries to be 0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:09.480 nice and that sets off his wife, Paula, so she 0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:13.360 like flipped out, started screaming, and so he had to 0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:15.840 take her out of the party, and so that was 0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:18.839 annoying to him. And then in the nicer room, that's 0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:22.040 where Paula is sitting, and she's like, listen, the girls 0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:23.719 can talk to him, but they need to know that 0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:26.959 he's mine, and that she got loud and made aj 0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:29.480 angry because she embarrassed him in front of really important 0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:32.360 people and that can't happen. He says that she was 0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:34.600 stumbling and could have hurt herself, so I had to 0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:38.000 stop her, and Benson's like, with your fist. 0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:39.760 He blames being drunk. 0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:42.200 Finn only asks how many drinks and she is a 0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:44.480 good lawyer, and she shuts that down immediately. 0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:47.200 So then Paula says, he. 0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:49.640 Was just trying to protect me, and then they kind 0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:52.560 of like scream, like by punching you in the face. 0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:55.520 The defense in this case is the craziest I think 0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:59.239 we've ever This is like crazier than affluenza. Their whole thing, 0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:02.120 this whole episode, is that he was just trying to 0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:06.640 protect her by punching her. Yeah, like the whole episode. 0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:10.359 It's so twisted. So then the lawyer's like, whoa, whoa, 0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:13.800 whoa why the animosity and Rollins and Tomorrow are like, 0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:17.319 we're just trying to understand this, and she's pleading, like 0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:19.760 we want to put this behind us, leave us alone, 0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:22.600 and that's it, but we can't put it behind us. 0:37:22.640 --> 0:37:25.279 The videos are out, Benson and Barbara meet up in 0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:27.279 a spy room and she fills him in and she's like, 0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:30.000 they're saying it's chill, but that was assault. And Barbara 0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:32.440 agrees and hopes that the footage is like enough evidence 0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:34.719 that they won't want to go to trial, and Benson's like, 0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:37.040 no way, there's no settling with this guy, like he's 0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:39.440 a bad dude, and Barbara goes, no, this is going 0:37:39.520 --> 0:37:40.200 to be really hard. 0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:41.080 You don't understand. 0:37:41.160 --> 0:37:43.960 Everyone loves him, his wife supports him, and the jury's 0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:44.960 going to be obsessed with him. 0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:47.840 He's a hero. And Benson goes, you're right, let him go. 0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:51.799 No problems here, ha, And he's like okay, and the 0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:53.560 defense like I just went off and I'm going to 0:37:53.640 --> 0:37:56.440 go off like this whole episode. Elizabeth Marvel's like, my 0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:59.959 client was just defending himself. And he agrees to anger 0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:03.319 management and AA and whatever it takes, and Marba's like 0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:04.040 that's not enough. 0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:05.880 I want a CELT three ninety days. 0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:08.720 She's like assault three, no jail time, but two hundred 0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:11.879 hours of community service, and Benson's like that's not enough 0:38:11.880 --> 0:38:14.360 for me, and she wants more than him picking up 0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:17.440 garbage with a pointy stick. And she's like, okay, well 0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:21.600 he's already been suspended by his network. And it's like, yeah, 0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:24.520 that's you're not a You punched your wife in the face. 0:38:24.880 --> 0:38:26.600 Yeah, I don't. 0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:28.799 Understand, Like, why would someone want to work with you 0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:31.640 when you're a person that punches your wife in the face. 0:38:32.680 --> 0:38:33.760 It's like courser fired. 0:38:33.880 --> 0:38:35.839 I'm not trying to be dramatic, but it's like you 0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:39.120 could kill her, like one punch from somebody so strong, 0:38:40.040 --> 0:38:43.360 like you could kill someone, Like, yeah, it's the conair rule. 0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:45.799 A guy when I was in college. When I was 0:38:45.840 --> 0:38:48.960 in college, a freshman got punched one time in the 0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:52.640 face during orientation, fell back on the pavement in a 0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:56.520 certain way, went into a coma and died. One punch 0:38:56.840 --> 0:38:59.640 And did the other student go to prison? It wasn't 0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:04.560 an't It was an employee. So I don't know what happened, honestly, 0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:06.960 but we did a memorial bench for him and everything, 0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:08.400 but it was like so sad. It was like his 0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:10.760 second day of college and it was like one punch. 0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:15.160 You know, the head is very precious. You can't fuck 0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:16.040 with your head. 0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:18.480 You know now, and they bring it up in this episode. 0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:20.719 But it's also like, you know about head injuries you 0:39:20.719 --> 0:39:24.120 play football. Yeah, it's all about like concussions and all 0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:26.640 of that. So it's like even more you could have known, 0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:30.080 you could have fucked her up. Yeah, And honestly, Age 0:39:30.200 --> 0:39:32.479 is like, you know what, She's gonna have my back, 0:39:32.600 --> 0:39:34.800 so I don't fucking go Look like, let's go to trial. 0:39:34.840 --> 0:39:37.160 I don't care. Everyone has my back. So we're in 0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:40.480 court and he pleads not guilty. Obviously, Barbara wants to 0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:43.440 remand Paula is really upset in the stands and Calhounton 0:39:43.440 --> 0:39:45.000 gets her way and he gets to go home with 0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:49.640 only twenty thousand dollars bail. He smiles at Paula, so 0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:52.520 you know, Paula looks really happy about this. She does 0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:54.719 little prayer hands at him, and then Benson walks into 0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:57.440 the bathroom and Paula's in there, and these are some 0:39:57.680 --> 0:39:59.080 very classy court bathrooms. 0:39:59.160 --> 0:39:59.919 Yeah, they look nice. 0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:03.880 They look very nice, because the only other time I remember, well, no, 0:40:03.960 --> 0:40:06.160 there's a lot of bathroom moments. But I'm thinking of 0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:10.959 Counselor Chinatown episode with Margaret Show and the girl jumping 0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:12.240 out the bathroom. 0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:13.520 And that bathroom knop off his sheet. 0:40:14.120 --> 0:40:17.880 No, not a chic bathroom, so Benson asks to chat. 0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:20.480 Paula is fixing up her makeup in the mirror and goes, 0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:24.000 why it's too late for an apology? Okay for what 0:40:24.040 --> 0:40:27.560 you've done to my family? Junior is being harassed at school. 0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:31.239 AJ's career is over, Benson is done playing games. She's like, 0:40:31.280 --> 0:40:33.399 I've been doing this for a long time, and I've 0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:35.480 seen a lot of men like AJ. And she goes, 0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:39.319 there's only one AJ, best believe, and Benson's like, I 0:40:39.320 --> 0:40:41.319 get it. I'm sure there are times where he makes 0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:44.040 you feel incredibly special, but that doesn't make up for 0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:46.239 the times where he puts his hands on you. And 0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:49.239 Paula breaks and says, he slipped. Do you know what 0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:51.120 it's like to have the whole world watching us at 0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:53.920 our worst moment? And Benson's like, look me in the 0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:56.040 eye and tell me this has only happened once, and 0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:56.759 I'll believe you. 0:40:57.520 --> 0:40:58.840 Megan can't do it. 0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:01.359 Benson says it will happen again, and She's like why 0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:04.680 because a strong black man can't control himself, you know, 0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:07.400 And she says, I'm concerned about you and your son's safety. 0:41:07.640 --> 0:41:10.279 I'm not concerned with the public perception of black men. 0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:12.840 And Paula says, well, we need each other and we 0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:16.000 will be living as a family. Calhoun walks in and goes, 0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:20.360 I assume this small talk because you know, you should 0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:23.840 not be talking to my client without her counsel. Benson 0:41:23.920 --> 0:41:27.200 stands in silence. Heja is giving a press conference, and 0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:30.160 look who we have here, a priest, a father standing 0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:33.200 behind a woman beater for the sake of family. Leslie 0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:36.920 Odom Junior is here and they've been praying and working 0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:38.200 through it spiritually. 0:41:38.640 --> 0:41:40.120 And then Paula takes the mic. 0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:42.640 And wants to set the record straight, and she goes, 0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:44.480 there are people who are invested in me playing the 0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:47.480 victim here and that's not going to happen. And she 0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:51.600 takes full responsibility for provoking the unfortunate events of six 0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:55.920 weeks ago, which is just like, even if she feels 0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:57.880 that way, it's like you, I don't know, don't send 0:41:57.880 --> 0:42:01.360 that message to people that you that you provoke physical violence, 0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:03.799 that there's anything you can say that can come out 0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:06.360 of your mouth that deserves physical violence. 0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:06.800 You know. 0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:08.080 Yeah. 0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:12.960 Also, I notice here that it's November and the met 0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:14.960 Gala is actually in May, so. 0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:20.560 You know they like calendar guys, we know what's up. 0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:24.000 Yeah, So she says they're working on their issues together, 0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:27.239 and she cries and asks for privacy, and then she 0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:29.759 gives a stink eye to Benson and then oh my god, 0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:34.400 it's fucking Hodah. And who's Hodah's Who's what's the George 0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:35.439 Bush daughter's name? 0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:38.680 Jenna Hager? Yeah, he's Yeah. 0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:42.319 So Hodah and Jenna have a show together, And you know, 0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:44.960 I was very much like, fuck this nepo bitch, Like, 0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:46.480 why does she even have a job? WHI I was 0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:48.920 she doing the Today Show? The clips of them show 0:42:49.000 --> 0:42:51.319 up on my Explore page and on YouTube shorts and 0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:54.239 guess what. I listen to every single one, every single one. 0:42:54.960 --> 0:42:57.560 I love I love them, I really love them. 0:42:57.840 --> 0:42:59.480 I can't get enough. 0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:03.160 So it's a split screen and on the news is 0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:06.200 Hoda and she's talking to the couple who's dressed very 0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:09.520 Connecticut and they give a little puff piece interview and 0:43:09.600 --> 0:43:11.960 they call the media gutter press, and it's like, you're 0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:14.600 also in the media right now though, So yeah, but 0:43:14.680 --> 0:43:16.799 the Today Show, the fourth hour of the Today Show 0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:17.280 with Hoda. 0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:19.080 That's literally where they tell you how to throw a. 0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:24.040 Barbecue, and like, what Halloween costumes are hot this fall? 0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:26.440 Like no, I did like the fourth hour of the 0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:30.920 local news, the WGN News in Chicago, and I had 0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:32.880 so much fun with the women and the anger. I go, 0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:35.000 this is the best news show ever, and they go, 0:43:35.160 --> 0:43:37.279 I think our real news would be really offended that. 0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:41.960 You said that. I was like, you bitches are the best. 0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:43.000 Fuck the real news. 0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:46.120 Tell me where to get a fucking beer cheese in Chicago, 0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:48.920 babes all right? And I think I was recording on 0:43:48.960 --> 0:43:51.560 a Friday, so it was like they had someone making 0:43:51.600 --> 0:43:53.880 cocktails and all of us had cocktails in our drinks. 0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:55.960 There's like a bartender on set, and that's. 0:43:56.280 --> 0:43:56.959 A fourth hour. 0:43:57.040 --> 0:44:00.000 Like the third hour is actually like barbecuing Halloween costume, 0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:02.520 and the fourth hour is like bottom's up, Like it's 0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:03.840 just I'm getting drunk. 0:44:04.160 --> 0:44:07.719 It started with holding Kathy Lee, Oh my god, So 0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:09.359 you know, so Hoda is here. 0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:12.480 I'm obsessed, and so I mean, how many more times 0:44:12.560 --> 0:44:13.600 can I say Hoda? 0:44:13.719 --> 0:44:15.600 But they talk about commitment. 0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:17.440 And they're in this marriage for the long haul, and 0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:20.960 Benson's holding Noah furious watching this and bitching to Barba 0:44:20.960 --> 0:44:24.160 on the phone, who's equally as mad, and oh my god, 0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:27.360 they're about to announce news. AJ propose. So they haven't 0:44:27.400 --> 0:44:29.799 been married, which is wild. They live like such a 0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:32.560 domesticated life. I'd never assumed that. And they have like 0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:34.759 an eight year old, so they've been together for a 0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:37.919 long time, a long time. But maybe he was waiting 0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:40.239 right for this moment. And he so you proposed with 0:44:40.320 --> 0:44:43.520 a fifteen carot and it's the same as his retire 0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:47.680 jersey number fifteen. And they're getting married later that day. 0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:51.080 So this is obviously a ploy for the courtroom and 0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:52.760 about like testifying and stuff. 0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:54.640 Barba is in shock by this. 0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:56.440 We open back up in court and we have a 0:44:56.480 --> 0:44:59.560 specialist who's gonna explain why AJ's fists are stronger than 0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:02.840 just an hour person. So and Rudnick's actually on the stand, 0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:05.719 so and he's a little get out with this. He's like, 0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:08.160 you know, talking about own density and stuff, and I'm like, 0:45:08.200 --> 0:45:10.840 I don't know. This is a little touchy touchy. So 0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:12.600 they show the video of the punch on the flat 0:45:12.600 --> 0:45:15.080 screen and like the force of the flow, using the 0:45:15.080 --> 0:45:18.640 classic algorithm of weight and muscle mass, it hit at 0:45:18.640 --> 0:45:21.200 more than seven hundred pounds per square inch, which is 0:45:21.239 --> 0:45:24.560 four times that of an average couch potato could He 0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:27.160 says he could have killed her, but she was lucky, 0:45:27.280 --> 0:45:29.799 and that's an objection and the jury will disregard that. 0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:32.640 And now it's time for every direction. And she straight 0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:35.439 up is like, you're a morgaman. You don't know about 0:45:35.480 --> 0:45:38.080 living people, do you, you little fucking creep. And he's 0:45:38.120 --> 0:45:41.000 you know, it's true, and it's like the classic, like 0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:43.120 you didn't even look at Paula. You don't know Paula. 0:45:43.160 --> 0:45:45.600 You're basing all of this on a grainy video and math, 0:45:45.680 --> 0:45:48.400 and you know. And she looks fine, and Aj is 0:45:48.560 --> 0:45:50.640 very smug and he knows he has like such a 0:45:50.640 --> 0:45:53.480 good lawyer. And now it's Benson on the stand. We're 0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:57.800 really going through these quick and she's like, it's wild 0:45:57.840 --> 0:46:00.600 that Paula continues to say it's her fault. And it's 0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:04.480 not uncommon. And it's also not uncommon, so refuse to testify. 0:46:04.560 --> 0:46:07.920 Barbara asks why, and she gives, like some reasons. You know, 0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:10.800 a lot of times victims of domestic violence are financially 0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:14.279 dependent on their abuser, or they're scared of violent retribution 0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:17.000 and at most at risk when they go against their 0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:18.319 abuser to try to leave. 0:46:18.800 --> 0:46:20.440 And just because they're in denial of. 0:46:20.400 --> 0:46:23.520 Their abuse doesn't mean their abuse didn't happen or like 0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:26.040 that it won't worsen. And we get a shot of 0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:29.240 Paula like looking down, embarrassed, and we get a Calhoun 0:46:29.360 --> 0:46:32.800 cross come in right at you. She goes, did missus 0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:36.640 Martin express fear of her husband to you? And so, yeah, 0:46:36.640 --> 0:46:39.040 the last name changed because they just got married. She 0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:41.000 was Bryant in the beginning of the episode. If you 0:46:41.080 --> 0:46:44.920 call Martin, oh now, yeah, this is so strategic. And 0:46:45.040 --> 0:46:48.920 so did missus Martin express fear of her husband to you? 0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:49.280 Nope? 0:46:49.640 --> 0:46:52.400 So maybe she's not testifying and married him because she 0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:55.160 loves him and that's that. And Benson's like, well, that's 0:46:55.160 --> 0:46:57.920 not what the video showed. And she's like, come on, 0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:00.759 my client regrets it. What more do you want? And 0:47:00.800 --> 0:47:04.680 Benson's like, yeah, I've seen that before, regret and remorse 0:47:04.719 --> 0:47:07.759 and I'm not impressed by that. So, I mean, this 0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:09.840 is Benson's about to be in deep shit. So she 0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:12.239 says she doesn't care about anger management, and then the 0:47:12.960 --> 0:47:16.320 defense attorney's like, but tomorrow a cop in your squad 0:47:16.360 --> 0:47:19.520 got to do anger management, so it's good enough for 0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:22.800 you and your department, but not for you know, this player, 0:47:22.920 --> 0:47:25.240 and that's why you pay her the big bucks. Barbara 0:47:25.400 --> 0:47:28.960 tries to object, but it's fucking denied. But Benson is stuck. 0:47:29.520 --> 0:47:32.520 And but also she's like, my dude lost his temper 0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:35.839 with a horrific child abuse her, not his wife. Yeah, 0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:37.839 but she's like no, But the point is that anger 0:47:37.920 --> 0:47:40.239 management is sufficient enough for a violent cop to get 0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:44.080 his gun back, but not sufficient to rehabilitate AJ Martin, 0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:48.239 a man without a speeding ticket. Nice double standard, but 0:47:48.280 --> 0:47:50.239 also I hate where it's like, we couldn't hurt a 0:47:50.280 --> 0:47:53.440 fly no tickets, Those yeahs do not like. 0:47:53.280 --> 0:47:56.120 Anything ticket have to do with yeah exactly. 0:47:56.560 --> 0:47:59.680 I like hate that false equivalen sees so fucking much. 0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:02.640 I also don't know if I used false equivalency correctly. 0:48:02.800 --> 0:48:07.440 So anyways, so okay, cool, So nice double standard and 0:48:07.520 --> 0:48:10.360 AJ is now more smug than ever and Benson stares 0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:13.080 right back at him, and we cut to other players 0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:15.640 responding to questions about AJ on a TV screen at 0:48:15.640 --> 0:48:18.440 a bar, and Rollins is there, drinking and loosening up 0:48:18.440 --> 0:48:18.960 her shirt. 0:48:19.000 --> 0:48:20.120 Baby, is tipsy. 0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:25.120 Amorrow joins and orders what she's having, and she actually 0:48:25.120 --> 0:48:28.640 gets a refill, but neat this time no Ice Rollins 0:48:28.640 --> 0:48:32.240 asks Tomorrow how he's doing since court was very rough 0:48:32.440 --> 0:48:34.920 and Tomorrow is actually chill. He's like, whatever, you know, 0:48:35.040 --> 0:48:39.440 Rita was just doing her job, and then Rollins continues, yeah, 0:48:39.480 --> 0:48:42.640 but you know she has a point, and Tomorrow's confused, Really, 0:48:42.680 --> 0:48:45.040 what's the point, and she's like, it's a private matter. 0:48:45.400 --> 0:48:48.400 This is between Paula and aj and you're all overreaching 0:48:48.480 --> 0:48:51.600 taking this to court. And he's like, he hit her, 0:48:51.920 --> 0:48:54.600 that's it. But they cheers and Rollins is now hold 0:48:54.640 --> 0:48:57.240 on a second, so we get to decide what's best 0:48:57.320 --> 0:49:00.840 for her. That's infantilizing. She believe they're making her a 0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:04.080 victim all over again, and he says slow down, and 0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:06.480 she doesn't like him counting her drinks and she smiles 0:49:06.520 --> 0:49:09.239 at him and then calls him like Saint Nick, the 0:49:09.320 --> 0:49:12.520 savior of damaged women. And he's like, I just don't 0:49:12.560 --> 0:49:14.480 think men have the right to hit a woman, and 0:49:14.520 --> 0:49:16.839 she says, that's right, but some of us don't need 0:49:16.880 --> 0:49:19.880 to be saved, like your wife, who doesn't need to 0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:23.000 be saved, right, And She's like, but you've wanted to 0:49:23.040 --> 0:49:26.759 hit her, admit it. He's not into this line of questioning, 0:49:27.360 --> 0:49:29.879 and she's leaning into him, like you know you want 0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:31.759 to hit your wife. I know it, and he's like, no, 0:49:31.880 --> 0:49:34.319 I don't, and she starts poking and shoving him and like, 0:49:34.640 --> 0:49:35.560 doesn't it get to you? 0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:36.719 Come on? Tell us? 0:49:36.760 --> 0:49:38.960 And then she shoves him harder and he's like, oh, 0:49:38.960 --> 0:49:41.719 are you jealous of Maria? What's your problem? And she 0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:44.319 hits him harder and says, we've seen you yell and 0:49:44.360 --> 0:49:46.520 go off at your wife. Just say it, admit it 0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:50.680 you want to hit her? And Rollin says it's wait what, No, 0:49:50.840 --> 0:49:54.680 she's just being so like aggressive. Oh yes she is. 0:49:54.719 --> 0:49:57.799 She's fucking wasted, and then hits him super hard and 0:49:57.880 --> 0:50:00.400 says I don't want to be a victim, and he 0:50:00.440 --> 0:50:01.800 finally shoves her off. 0:50:01.840 --> 0:50:03.000 A chair goes flying. 0:50:03.400 --> 0:50:05.760 He pushes his drink off the bar and it flies, 0:50:06.160 --> 0:50:08.359 and he throws cash onto the bar and says, I'm 0:50:08.400 --> 0:50:13.279 gonna do what AJ Martin should have done and walk away. 0:50:13.360 --> 0:50:16.160 He grabs another drink off the bar and walks away. 0:50:16.640 --> 0:50:19.200 Everyone at the bar is obviously staring at them. So 0:50:19.280 --> 0:50:21.719 this is like Rollins is like doing a little experiment, 0:50:21.880 --> 0:50:23.919 like I bet I can piss a man off enough 0:50:23.920 --> 0:50:26.319 to hit me, Like, I'll show you how easy it 0:50:26.400 --> 0:50:28.200 is for a man that like to hit a woman, 0:50:28.520 --> 0:50:30.919 Like so weird. Well it is, and we know about 0:50:30.920 --> 0:50:33.360 her dad and mom and all of it. And yeah, 0:50:33.440 --> 0:50:35.319 you know, Rollins has had a lot of growth, you know, 0:50:35.400 --> 0:50:38.839 now she's a professor. But yeah, well and I look 0:50:38.920 --> 0:50:42.120 this up. This is like past them fucking. They fucked 0:50:42.160 --> 0:50:44.799 in season fifteen. Like in the episode at the end 0:50:44.840 --> 0:50:46.120 of season fifteen, he comes. 0:50:46.000 --> 0:50:47.320 Out of her shower or whatever. 0:50:47.840 --> 0:50:50.760 So I think they're done at this point, but maybe 0:50:50.840 --> 0:50:53.920 still not, who knows. Okay, So now we're back and 0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:57.120 it's like we're watching another TV screen of a boss 0:50:57.200 --> 0:51:00.839 man talking about his place of employment and supporting him 0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:03.200 and not being able to work with him anymore. And 0:51:03.239 --> 0:51:05.360 Finn in a bunch of uniform cops watch this on 0:51:05.440 --> 0:51:08.200 TV and the league is sending a message there is 0:51:08.320 --> 0:51:12.720 never excuse for domestic violence. Rollins is like, God, poor 0:51:12.719 --> 0:51:15.960 fucking Paula. This video keeps getting played over and over again, 0:51:16.320 --> 0:51:18.200 and he's like, I agree with you, but he did 0:51:18.280 --> 0:51:21.880 hit her. And Rollins in a red golf style Blazer says, yeah, 0:51:21.880 --> 0:51:24.080 but you can't save someone that doesn't want to be saved, 0:51:24.120 --> 0:51:27.319 and Finn little office goss. That brings up Nick and 0:51:27.360 --> 0:51:29.839 she's like, Nick needs to stop thinking he can save 0:51:29.880 --> 0:51:32.640 the whole world. And Finn laughs and then gives some 0:51:32.760 --> 0:51:35.600 facts two things he has learned at fifteen years at SVU. 0:51:35.800 --> 0:51:38.359 One you can't take this job home with you. Two 0:51:38.480 --> 0:51:41.880 And you can't take anyone from this job home with you. Okay, 0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:46.479 Ice cold back, Ice cold facts for Rollins. She hears him, 0:51:46.600 --> 0:51:50.160 and then back in Core, the reverends on the stand 0:51:50.239 --> 0:51:53.879 Leslie Odom Junior, okay, and he's like, listen, they grew 0:51:53.960 --> 0:51:56.320 up this way and it's learned behavior and they're trying 0:51:56.360 --> 0:51:56.960 to change. 0:51:57.280 --> 0:51:58.839 He's team marriage and. 0:51:58.840 --> 0:52:02.000 That's you know, it's loving, and it's Christian and it's 0:52:02.000 --> 0:52:05.400 a marriage of equals. And Barbara's sitting, so you know, 0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:07.640 he's feeling cocky and he's about to do some theater 0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:10.839 when Barbara starts the questions while he's still seated. We're 0:52:10.840 --> 0:52:15.719 about to have a fucking show. And he goes to 0:52:16.080 --> 0:52:22.600 the father, why don't I remember his priest's name? But whatever, Leslie, Priest, Leslie. 0:52:23.000 --> 0:52:25.680 He's like, so it's a marriage of equals, and the 0:52:25.680 --> 0:52:28.359 priest goes yeah, and he's like even though he out 0:52:28.360 --> 0:52:31.719 earns her by one hundred times, and Barbara's proving like 0:52:31.800 --> 0:52:34.160 you're acting like you know these people, but you only 0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:36.040 know them at church. You don't know them at home 0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:38.719 or when they're drinking, or how he actually acts towards 0:52:38.760 --> 0:52:42.359 his wife. You only know church aj and then a bombshell, 0:52:42.840 --> 0:52:45.160 this motherfucker has not watched the video. 0:52:46.080 --> 0:52:48.080 Leslie Odom Junior's priest character. 0:52:48.000 --> 0:52:50.640 Is not watched the video, so I cannot believe this 0:52:50.719 --> 0:52:54.040 motherfucker has opinions without watching the scene. 0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:55.879 It Yeah, I. 0:52:56.080 --> 0:53:00.000 Just it is just so funny, like when the people 0:53:00.160 --> 0:53:02.439 that love religion message us being like you're too hard 0:53:02.480 --> 0:53:04.640 on religion. And then it's like, I know this is 0:53:04.680 --> 0:53:08.440 a fictional priest, but like defending an abuser over women's safety, 0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:12.400 like everything over women's safety, Like a woman has to 0:53:12.440 --> 0:53:17.239 sacrifice her fray face, her brain, her whole life, everything 0:53:18.160 --> 0:53:21.880 to keep a marriage together. It's so sick. I fucking 0:53:22.000 --> 0:53:25.319 hate the world. Whatever AG's on the stand, he goes, 0:53:25.320 --> 0:53:28.520 I love my life, she's my wife. Whatever, No, I 0:53:28.520 --> 0:53:32.279 love my wife. She's my life. Okay, the mother of 0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:35.399 my son. I will always regret that night. He says, 0:53:35.440 --> 0:53:38.000 he didn't intend to do it. She's like, listen, that 0:53:38.120 --> 0:53:40.520 video is damning and the prosecution is going to use 0:53:40.520 --> 0:53:43.080 it against you, and like, why did you decide to 0:53:43.080 --> 0:53:45.520 take the stamp? And he says, well, Paula's had to 0:53:45.520 --> 0:53:47.840 sit in the courtroom every day. She's filled with so 0:53:47.920 --> 0:53:51.719 much humility and you know, admiration and gratitude. And if 0:53:51.719 --> 0:53:54.440 she is brave enough to sit here, I can be 0:53:54.480 --> 0:53:56.920 brave enough to stand up here and take responsibility and 0:53:56.960 --> 0:53:58.879 teach my son what it is to be a man. 0:53:59.360 --> 0:54:03.200 And barbis like, I said, never good. So Barbara goes, 0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:06.080 and you're teaching your son to tell the truth. He goes, yeah, 0:54:06.160 --> 0:54:09.440 I do. But night of the incident, you said that 0:54:09.440 --> 0:54:12.080 your wife slipped and fell. That's not true. He goes, yeah, 0:54:12.120 --> 0:54:15.440 I admitted I lied, and he knows that it was wrong. 0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:17.560 And so then Barbara brings up the video. He's like, 0:54:17.640 --> 0:54:19.759 you've been here saying that you did not deliberately try 0:54:19.760 --> 0:54:22.880 to hurt your wife, and he is lying because obviously 0:54:22.920 --> 0:54:23.840 we have video evidence. 0:54:23.880 --> 0:54:25.320 But this is so Ramona Singer. 0:54:26.080 --> 0:54:28.480 One of my favorite moments, do you know this from 0:54:28.480 --> 0:54:32.600 Housewives where a woman comes up to Ramona at this 0:54:32.680 --> 0:54:37.040 party and is talking about Ramona's birthday and she's like, oh, 0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:40.080 in Sonya's coming and Ramona goes, no, don't invite Sonya. 0:54:41.040 --> 0:54:43.760 And then so Sonya was purposely not invited because Ramona 0:54:43.800 --> 0:54:46.800 didn't want to like, you know, mix with her upper 0:54:46.920 --> 0:54:50.720 class friends or whatever, even though so you know, Sonya 0:54:50.760 --> 0:54:53.440 has a townhouse okay at the time. And so then 0:54:53.480 --> 0:54:55.719 we're at the reunion and they're like, I mean, Sonya's 0:54:55.760 --> 0:54:58.120 your friend, she's your ride or I like, why did 0:54:58.120 --> 0:55:00.200 you not want her at the party? And Ramona like, 0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:02.480 I never said that. So they're like, well, let's play 0:55:02.520 --> 0:55:04.400 the video, and then they all watch the video of 0:55:04.440 --> 0:55:07.640 her like saying to the women, don't invite Sonia. And 0:55:07.680 --> 0:55:12.320 then she's still denying it, like heaven to watch video 0:55:12.360 --> 0:55:15.080 evidence of you doing something and still continue to deny 0:55:15.120 --> 0:55:17.880 it is a level of delusion I would love to reach. 0:55:18.040 --> 0:55:20.960 I would love to be that crazy. So anyways, he's. 0:55:20.880 --> 0:55:24.400 Lying with video evidence of him just cold cocking his 0:55:24.520 --> 0:55:28.160 fucking wife and going I didn't do it. It's so 0:55:28.600 --> 0:55:33.319 Ramona singer and anyone please find the video of that 0:55:33.440 --> 0:55:36.120 fucking bitch. It's like, Sonia is your best friend, you 0:55:36.200 --> 0:55:38.600 demand sharing beds on vacation together, and then you didn't 0:55:38.600 --> 0:55:40.160 want to invite her to your birthday. 0:55:40.840 --> 0:55:41.560 She's scum. 0:55:42.120 --> 0:55:44.600 Yeah, so he says he put up his hand to 0:55:44.680 --> 0:55:48.799 stop her. Again, we have the video. So then it's 0:55:48.800 --> 0:55:50.799 also like, okay, if you didn't intend to hurt her, 0:55:50.840 --> 0:55:53.200 then then why didn't you call nine one one? And 0:55:53.239 --> 0:55:56.880 he's like, oh, because she came too. And Barbara's like no, like, 0:55:56.960 --> 0:55:59.879 you know all about concussions. You're in football. Even knock 0:56:00.160 --> 0:56:01.800 out for a little bit is bad. Why didn't you 0:56:01.800 --> 0:56:04.480 take her for medical attention? He's like, well, I just 0:56:04.480 --> 0:56:06.920 made a judgment call and Barbara's like, okay, cool, So 0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:10.280 your idea was punch your wife, drag her unconscious body 0:56:10.320 --> 0:56:13.640 across a garage, and then get out of there, and 0:56:13.680 --> 0:56:16.400 he says how dare you? And then Calhoun tries to 0:56:16.400 --> 0:56:19.880 subject and the judge finally is like stop trying to object. 0:56:19.920 --> 0:56:21.919 He's doing a cross You need to chill the fuck out. 0:56:21.960 --> 0:56:25.719 I'm allowing this. So then he's like did you love 0:56:25.760 --> 0:56:29.279 your wife here? And shows pieces of the video and 0:56:29.360 --> 0:56:33.160 then surprise, Paula Martin is now going to testify, and 0:56:33.239 --> 0:56:36.120 Barbara's annoyed because she sat there the whole trial. But 0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:38.280 the judge is like, eh, they lived together, it's fine, 0:56:38.320 --> 0:56:40.279 Like he could have talked about the trial at home, 0:56:40.360 --> 0:56:42.520 Like it doesn't matter if she was here at home. 0:56:43.000 --> 0:56:45.200 She needs to go in this. Benson and Barbara do 0:56:45.239 --> 0:56:46.960 a quick walk and talk. She's just like trying to 0:56:46.960 --> 0:56:49.080 prep him, like this is everything I know. Let's do this. 0:56:49.239 --> 0:56:53.080 So then she's on the stand and it's quick, right, 0:56:53.280 --> 0:56:56.000 She's like, I was drunk, you know. She's like, I 0:56:56.040 --> 0:56:58.400 know my husband loves me. That's the truth. And she's 0:56:58.440 --> 0:57:01.120 also denies that it was a punch. She's like, this 0:57:01.160 --> 0:57:03.759 is a private moment between two passionate people and that 0:57:03.840 --> 0:57:05.200 she is not scared of him. 0:57:05.560 --> 0:57:07.239 And she goes, you don't know him. I do. 0:57:07.440 --> 0:57:09.799 He's a gentle good man. He doesn't deserve this or 0:57:09.840 --> 0:57:13.720 family doesn't deserve this. And Barbara again sitting he's sitting. 0:57:14.120 --> 0:57:16.680 He says, thank you for being here. He says this 0:57:16.760 --> 0:57:19.040 must be difficult for you, and she says I'm fine, 0:57:19.120 --> 0:57:22.320 and he's like, are you always fine? Always good and 0:57:22.400 --> 0:57:25.200 fine in the Martin House and she says it is 0:57:25.280 --> 0:57:27.960 and he asks some questions. She was twenty one when 0:57:27.960 --> 0:57:30.680 she met him, and he was thirty five at the 0:57:30.760 --> 0:57:33.560 end of his playing career, and she never had any 0:57:33.560 --> 0:57:37.840 other relationships that were significant until him. And it's like, okay, well, 0:57:37.840 --> 0:57:39.760 where is this going? And he's like, I bet you 0:57:39.760 --> 0:57:41.880 know it moved fast and you moved in within months 0:57:42.360 --> 0:57:45.040 and then immediately had a baby. And you know, you 0:57:45.040 --> 0:57:47.000 were a reporter for the local news and you gave 0:57:47.040 --> 0:57:49.440 that up, and she and how many friends do you have? 0:57:49.880 --> 0:57:51.960 And she's like, I have my sister and other players' 0:57:51.960 --> 0:57:54.440 wives and he goes, okay, when was the last time 0:57:54.480 --> 0:57:57.080 you hung out with a male friend or just a girlfriend, 0:57:57.440 --> 0:57:59.760 or even the sister or even your sister without AJ 0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:02.400 being there? And then he goes, is it fair to 0:58:02.440 --> 0:58:05.280 say your life revolves around AJ and your son? And 0:58:05.320 --> 0:58:07.560 she goes, yeah, and I'm fucking proud of that and 0:58:07.640 --> 0:58:09.880 happy about it. And he's like, even when he's yelling 0:58:09.920 --> 0:58:12.320 at you, and she says, he doesn't yell at me, 0:58:12.680 --> 0:58:14.560 and he goes, does he yell at your son? And 0:58:14.680 --> 0:58:17.440 music plays and she says, he doesn't yell. He raises 0:58:17.480 --> 0:58:20.440 his voice because he wants him to behave because he 0:58:20.480 --> 0:58:23.520 loves his son. Barbara goes, oh, really like the way 0:58:23.520 --> 0:58:27.520 he loves you? Obviously objection. There's a rephrase when Aj 0:58:27.760 --> 0:58:30.640 raises his voice at Junior, how does it make you feel? 0:58:30.960 --> 0:58:32.160 And she goes, what does it matter? 0:58:32.280 --> 0:58:34.880 And missus Martin, missus Martin, when you see the look 0:58:34.880 --> 0:58:37.040 on your son's face, how does it make you feel? 0:58:37.360 --> 0:58:39.880 And she's shaking her head. No, you don't know what's 0:58:39.960 --> 0:58:42.280 right for me. He says, I know it's not healthy 0:58:42.280 --> 0:58:44.720 to be in an abusive relationship. She snaps a bit, 0:58:44.800 --> 0:58:47.760 don't you lecture me. I'm not leaving him. I don't 0:58:47.800 --> 0:58:49.600 care what any of you have to say, and he 0:58:49.680 --> 0:58:53.200 catches her, like any of us? So you've heard this before? 0:58:53.600 --> 0:58:55.920 How many people have brought this up to you? And 0:58:55.960 --> 0:58:57.960 then he asks if she notices how she looks at 0:58:58.000 --> 0:59:01.160 her husband Before answering the question, He continues to walk 0:59:01.200 --> 0:59:03.360 closer to her in monologue, and she looks at Aj 0:59:03.440 --> 0:59:05.920 and Barba's like, don't look at him. He can't answer 0:59:05.960 --> 0:59:08.760 for you. You need to answer for yourself. She says, 0:59:08.800 --> 0:59:10.240 I don't want to lose him, and I don't want 0:59:10.240 --> 0:59:12.800 to lose my family. She starts to cry. She goes, 0:59:12.840 --> 0:59:15.919 why is that wrong? She goes, what gives you the right? 0:59:16.440 --> 0:59:19.320 And then she says, just leave us be please. She 0:59:19.480 --> 0:59:22.200 leans back, shaking her head. Aj is in thought, but 0:59:22.320 --> 0:59:25.400 I'm not sure what he's thinking. And then it's immediately 0:59:25.400 --> 0:59:28.560 time for closing arguments, and Calhoun is like, you know, 0:59:28.640 --> 0:59:31.360 I feel sorry for the DA's office. You know they 0:59:31.360 --> 0:59:34.880 have to be politically correct. This is just a misunderstanding 0:59:35.000 --> 0:59:37.880 a private matter. This is not a case, and if 0:59:37.880 --> 0:59:41.440 you convict him, you're tearing a family apart. Barbara's closing 0:59:41.520 --> 0:59:44.520 arguments is you saw the evidence. We know as a 0:59:44.560 --> 0:59:47.840 society we have evolved beyond the idea that women are 0:59:47.920 --> 0:59:51.040 property and that what they feel and what they experience 0:59:51.200 --> 0:59:54.000 doesn't matter. And by knocking out Paula, he is saying 0:59:54.040 --> 0:59:57.680 that she doesn't matter, disregard for her safety and life. 0:59:58.120 --> 1:00:00.760 She loves him, has a kid with him, and convicting 1:00:00.840 --> 1:00:02.920 him might not be what she wants. But to not 1:00:03.000 --> 1:00:05.640 convict him is wrong and sends a message that it's 1:00:05.680 --> 1:00:07.880 okay to be a bully in your own home. This 1:00:08.040 --> 1:00:10.680 is not okay. We cannot stand by and say it's 1:00:10.680 --> 1:00:14.320 acceptable to look the other way. Physical violence against other 1:00:14.400 --> 1:00:17.080 human beings is a crime, I guess, But not when 1:00:17.120 --> 1:00:19.360 it's your wife, Like how yeah, that is true, Like 1:00:19.400 --> 1:00:21.320 if you can't just beat the shit out of random 1:00:21.360 --> 1:00:24.520 people like you if you if you just punched a 1:00:24.640 --> 1:00:27.320 dude in a stairwell like that, that you would go 1:00:27.400 --> 1:00:30.760 to self. Yeah, Like it is true, Like because it's 1:00:30.800 --> 1:00:33.480 your wife, suddenly there's more nuance and it's a private matter, 1:00:33.680 --> 1:00:37.560 like you know, like that's why marriage is and not 1:00:37.600 --> 1:00:39.680 anti femine. I mean marriage is cool, Like I want 1:00:39.680 --> 1:00:42.080 to be married, but it is like I understand why 1:00:42.120 --> 1:00:46.080 people are morally against it. It never benefits women and 1:00:46.120 --> 1:00:49.120 it's this idea. So it's like, if he just punched 1:00:49.120 --> 1:00:51.360 a random woman in a stairwell, he would be going 1:00:51.400 --> 1:00:54.160 to jail, but marriage gives him the cloak of it 1:00:54.240 --> 1:00:54.880 being okay. 1:00:55.800 --> 1:00:57.120 Well it's interesting. 1:00:57.200 --> 1:01:00.280 Is I feel like they've changed laws now because now 1:01:00.560 --> 1:01:03.680 you can go it's a it's a at least in California, 1:01:04.360 --> 1:01:07.000 if you punch, if you have an assault of someone 1:01:07.000 --> 1:01:09.560 that you're in a romantic relationship with, it's a stronger 1:01:09.680 --> 1:01:11.440 charge than someone that is a stranger. 1:01:12.600 --> 1:01:13.320 It's a felony. 1:01:13.360 --> 1:01:16.000 Because they've tried to they've tried to toughen up domestic 1:01:16.080 --> 1:01:16.760 violence laws. 1:01:16.880 --> 1:01:17.280 Yeah. 1:01:17.320 --> 1:01:20.800 Wow, but it is just such a like cloak where 1:01:20.800 --> 1:01:25.360 it's like, yeah, well I could beat the shit out 1:01:25.400 --> 1:01:27.360 of you, and now you can't even testify against me. 1:01:27.760 --> 1:01:32.080 Like it is cued not for a woman, like marriage 1:01:32.160 --> 1:01:34.760 is not for a woman. Yeah, the way it's set 1:01:34.840 --> 1:01:38.640 up in any capacity, so you know what's going to happen. 1:01:38.680 --> 1:01:42.040 We're back in this kitchen fridge area under the stairs. 1:01:43.600 --> 1:01:44.200 It all began. 1:01:44.640 --> 1:01:48.080 Yeah, and they're having a literal water cooler moment. 1:01:48.120 --> 1:01:49.800 There is a water cooler right next. 1:01:49.640 --> 1:01:51.959 To them, and you know, they do a little hey 1:01:52.040 --> 1:01:54.360 hey back and forth, and then Tomorrow runs to live 1:01:54.360 --> 1:01:57.960 and asks about Barbara. He's nervous and the jury is 1:01:58.040 --> 1:02:01.200 questioning now if the video was doctored, Rollins is like, yep, 1:02:01.280 --> 1:02:03.680 they're looking for a reason to acquit. They know this 1:02:03.760 --> 1:02:07.640 feels wrong, then don't work at SVU, Like that's what's 1:02:07.640 --> 1:02:12.400 so shocked, Like we need someone to obviously always argue, 1:02:13.240 --> 1:02:15.480 so we learn about the other side and learn more 1:02:15.480 --> 1:02:17.560 about why things are the way they are. But like, 1:02:17.680 --> 1:02:20.040 it is just so weird that you would join SVU 1:02:20.120 --> 1:02:25.760 when you're so anti Yeah that this is bad. Benson 1:02:25.840 --> 1:02:28.520 is like sending everyone home. Does that feels right to 1:02:28.560 --> 1:02:31.520 you like a boy growing up in fear and Amanda 1:02:31.560 --> 1:02:34.200 thinks that Aj has learned his lesson, and Benson goes, well, 1:02:34.240 --> 1:02:37.000 I don't. So it's court time. There is a verdict, 1:02:37.320 --> 1:02:40.640 the charge of reckless endangerment. We find the defendant guilty. 1:02:41.280 --> 1:02:41.600 Shock. 1:02:42.400 --> 1:02:46.520 He's shocked, Calhoun shocked. He's heading to fucking rikers. Paula 1:02:46.520 --> 1:02:48.760 cries and tries to get AJ's attention, and she can't 1:02:48.760 --> 1:02:51.160 get it. He just walks off. He doesn't even acknowledge her. 1:02:51.280 --> 1:02:53.240 That is important, Like that has to be for a reason. 1:02:53.640 --> 1:02:57.040 She's like crying, going Ajajaj, and he won't even look 1:02:57.040 --> 1:02:57.320 at her. 1:02:58.120 --> 1:02:59.000 He just walks us. 1:02:59.040 --> 1:03:02.000 It's her fault, Like in this guy's fucking mind, you 1:03:02.040 --> 1:03:04.320 didn't tap dance well enough on the stand, like you 1:03:04.360 --> 1:03:06.600 didn't get me out of this. This is your fault 1:03:06.640 --> 1:03:09.280 for being drunk and sassing me and me hitting you 1:03:09.600 --> 1:03:11.840 like and provoking me to hit you. That's what's going 1:03:11.880 --> 1:03:13.120 on in this guy's head. 1:03:14.240 --> 1:03:15.400 Benson stands up. 1:03:15.520 --> 1:03:18.560 Her family rallies around Paula, hugging her and rubbing her back, 1:03:18.600 --> 1:03:21.080 and Barbara and Benson talk, but I'm sure the sisters 1:03:21.120 --> 1:03:22.760 are like fuck, get out of it, Like fuck a 1:03:22.920 --> 1:03:25.880 j Barbara and Benson talking the hallway, and he'll get 1:03:25.880 --> 1:03:26.840 the minimum. 1:03:26.400 --> 1:03:27.480 Of two years. 1:03:28.240 --> 1:03:30.560 Paula, I mean, just the reason it's shocking is because 1:03:30.640 --> 1:03:33.040 NFL players never They only go to jail if they 1:03:33.160 --> 1:03:34.520 fuck with dogs, you know what I mean. 1:03:35.840 --> 1:03:39.120 You can fucking beat anyone you want in the league. 1:03:39.680 --> 1:03:42.400 Paula and the reverend and like the whole family clocks 1:03:42.520 --> 1:03:45.120 Benson and Barba, and she walks over to them and goes, 1:03:45.480 --> 1:03:48.080 I hope you're happy. I lost my husband and my 1:03:48.160 --> 1:03:50.760 son lost his father. And Benson says, you deserve better 1:03:50.800 --> 1:03:53.520 than that, and so does your son. And then she goes, 1:03:53.560 --> 1:03:56.960 what do you know about it? She screams this. She goes, 1:03:57.000 --> 1:03:59.320 I was happy and fine and we were making it 1:03:59.360 --> 1:04:01.840 work and it's my choice, and you took that away. 1:04:02.160 --> 1:04:04.080 You think aj was beating me up? What do you 1:04:04.080 --> 1:04:07.680 think you did? And she storms off. Benson does feel bad, 1:04:07.800 --> 1:04:10.320 but Barbara says, we did the right thing, and she says, 1:04:10.360 --> 1:04:12.000 I know, and that's. 1:04:11.880 --> 1:04:16.240 Dick wolf baby, damn. Teach us some stuff, Kara, A 1:04:16.360 --> 1:04:17.720 tough one, A tough one. 1:04:17.800 --> 1:04:20.560 Yes, please listen to this ad from our sponsors. It 1:04:20.560 --> 1:04:38.680 will be right back with more real life and We're back, 1:04:39.840 --> 1:04:43.560 so they literally mentioned the case in this episode. This 1:04:43.640 --> 1:04:46.200 is obviously based on Ray Rice. This was like a 1:04:46.360 --> 1:04:50.720 huge scandal that hit the internet in twenty fourteen. But 1:04:51.800 --> 1:04:55.000 Ray Rice is Ray mel Maurice Rice aka Ray Rice, 1:04:55.040 --> 1:04:57.160 an NFL football player. He was a running back for 1:04:57.200 --> 1:04:59.800 the Baltimore Ravens for six seasons, including one were they 1:04:59.800 --> 1:05:02.000 won Super Bowl. He was in the Pro Bowl a 1:05:02.000 --> 1:05:04.600 bunch of times, just like this guy that Aj Martin 1:05:04.640 --> 1:05:07.800 in the episode. And he was known for his community service, 1:05:07.840 --> 1:05:10.720 Like in twenty twelve, he was voted Baltimore's most charitable person. 1:05:10.760 --> 1:05:12.240 He's like a big figure in Baltimore. 1:05:12.240 --> 1:05:15.640 He was a home an advocate for homelessness, not for homelessness, 1:05:15.680 --> 1:05:19.800 but for people experiencing homelessness. He was involved in Baltimore's 1:05:19.800 --> 1:05:22.520 Make a Wish Foundation, spoke out about cyberbullying, like he 1:05:22.560 --> 1:05:25.720 had a lot of causes. Twenty fourteen, it was the 1:05:25.800 --> 1:05:31.040 off season. Ray Rice was twenty seven years old, so young, 1:05:31.800 --> 1:05:34.200 like because in this one, this guy's. 1:05:33.920 --> 1:05:34.840 Like forty something. 1:05:34.880 --> 1:05:36.959 I'm not saying, I'm just saying this guy was young 1:05:37.000 --> 1:05:39.160 and like had been in like had been famous since 1:05:39.160 --> 1:05:42.600 he was twenty one. On February fifteenth, Rice and his 1:05:42.680 --> 1:05:46.360 fiance Janey Palmer had been drinking heavily aginly to that, 1:05:46.720 --> 1:05:48.720 like he might have been just famous since he was 1:05:48.720 --> 1:05:52.040 twenty one, but athletes that are this talented, like he 1:05:52.120 --> 1:05:55.080 was being catered to college child Yeah yeah yeah and 1:05:55.280 --> 1:05:59.680 before yeah, like when you're this good, like everyone is 1:05:59.720 --> 1:06:02.200 upset with you from a very young age. 1:06:02.280 --> 1:06:03.800 Yeah yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. 1:06:03.840 --> 1:06:06.440 And he actually grew up in New Rochelle, New York, 1:06:06.480 --> 1:06:08.760 which is not far from where I grew up. It's 1:06:08.760 --> 1:06:11.560 in Westchester County, like less than an hour outside of 1:06:11.560 --> 1:06:12.200 New York City. 1:06:12.640 --> 1:06:13.680 And I also want to. 1:06:13.640 --> 1:06:15.520 Say that they are borrowing a little bit in this 1:06:15.600 --> 1:06:21.000 episode from the Beyonce Solange elevator thing and with jay Z, 1:06:21.160 --> 1:06:24.160 because that took place also in twenty fourteen after the 1:06:24.200 --> 1:06:29.640 Met Gala, But this was obviously different and there was 1:06:29.720 --> 1:06:33.000 no like jay Z did not hit anyone in that elevator. 1:06:33.320 --> 1:06:36.120 But this was in real life. They were not a 1:06:36.120 --> 1:06:39.240 met Ball. They were at the Revel Casino in Atlantic City. 1:06:39.680 --> 1:06:43.680 They got into an argument. Rice follows Palmer into the elevator. 1:06:43.840 --> 1:06:47.919 They scream at one another, and then supposedly she spit 1:06:47.960 --> 1:06:53.280 in his face and then he punches her and honestly, like, 1:06:53.680 --> 1:06:56.320 it's an extremely shocking video. I watched it back in 1:06:56.360 --> 1:06:59.360 twenty fourteen and I kind of forgot, but I watched 1:06:59.360 --> 1:07:02.280 it again for this and it's it's just as shocking 1:07:02.320 --> 1:07:04.439 as the one in the episode, Like he fucking hits 1:07:04.480 --> 1:07:09.840 her so hard and she's knocked out, and then she 1:07:09.960 --> 1:07:12.760 hits her head on the railing in the elevator, and 1:07:12.800 --> 1:07:16.880 then he drags her out of the elevator like lifeless. 1:07:17.320 --> 1:07:19.560 And what's so shocking in the video too, is like 1:07:19.600 --> 1:07:22.160 the way he drags her out, like he eventually just 1:07:22.240 --> 1:07:24.640 kind of drops her with her legs still between where 1:07:24.640 --> 1:07:27.880 the doors would close, and he's just standing there. He's 1:07:27.880 --> 1:07:29.600 not like down on his knees, like, oh my god, 1:07:29.640 --> 1:07:32.080 are you okay? Like come to shit, I took this 1:07:32.160 --> 1:07:34.800 too far. He's just standing there like are you done 1:07:34.840 --> 1:07:37.560 being unconscious yet? Like the video goes on for a 1:07:37.600 --> 1:07:40.840 long time because it's security footage from an elevator, and 1:07:40.880 --> 1:07:44.120 she eventually comes to. He's not helping her up, he's 1:07:44.120 --> 1:07:46.920 not squatting down to her level to see if she's okay. 1:07:47.280 --> 1:07:50.160 He's just sitting there while she comes to. Someone else 1:07:50.240 --> 1:07:52.160 appears in the video it's not a cop like in 1:07:52.200 --> 1:07:54.439 this episode, but it's somebody I don't really know who 1:07:54.440 --> 1:07:57.720 it is in the video, but Ray was arrested and 1:07:57.800 --> 1:08:02.120 charged with assaults, and you know it was a huge thing, 1:08:02.360 --> 1:08:04.560 like because on the nineteenth. This happened on the fifteenth, 1:08:04.600 --> 1:08:08.400 four days later. So in this episode it's six weeks later, 1:08:08.520 --> 1:08:09.360 six weeks go by. 1:08:09.560 --> 1:08:10.720 This is four days later. 1:08:10.840 --> 1:08:13.600 TMZ gets this out and everyone's fucking watching this video 1:08:13.640 --> 1:08:16.679 and it's still up. And apparently Janey says she's never 1:08:16.720 --> 1:08:19.519 watched it, much like the priests in this episode, she's 1:08:19.520 --> 1:08:23.599 never watched it. But this one article I was reading 1:08:23.600 --> 1:08:26.240 that I'll link to in my sources said they talked 1:08:26.280 --> 1:08:29.040 to a sports psychologist who has worked with a lot 1:08:29.040 --> 1:08:31.479 of pro athletes who said, quote, if your whole life 1:08:31.680 --> 1:08:33.920 you're trained to be aggressive, other things tend to come 1:08:33.960 --> 1:08:34.240 with that. 1:08:34.320 --> 1:08:35.720 Their job is to be aggressive. 1:08:35.840 --> 1:08:38.680 So that's like what a lot of sports psychologists were 1:08:38.680 --> 1:08:41.360 saying about, like where that behavior came from. 1:08:41.560 --> 1:08:43.760 Because this guy, like so when does that stop? That's 1:08:43.800 --> 1:08:44.320 the excuse. 1:08:44.360 --> 1:08:46.320 It's like Benson where it's like, oh, you're right, not 1:08:46.439 --> 1:08:50.559 a problem, Yeah, sure, go off? Like that means why 1:08:50.560 --> 1:08:52.439 are all the other athletes. Not doing that means everyone 1:08:52.520 --> 1:08:54.679 in the military, like every aggressive job. 1:08:54.920 --> 1:08:58.000 Yeah, and then be anyone you want up. No, I know. 1:08:58.360 --> 1:09:01.519 But this guy is also saying, like Ray Rice's thing 1:09:01.680 --> 1:09:04.000 was like look at my look at my record, Like 1:09:04.040 --> 1:09:05.840 I don't have a single blemish on my record, Like 1:09:05.880 --> 1:09:07.760 this is the one moment in my life. And it's like, yeah, 1:09:07.800 --> 1:09:09.960 but if this moment in your life hadn't been caught 1:09:09.960 --> 1:09:11.639 on tape, who's to say it wouldn't have kept going. 1:09:12.160 --> 1:09:15.879 So anyway, the raven You're right, like he wasn't even worried. 1:09:16.240 --> 1:09:19.000 It was that's because what if she died, what if 1:09:19.000 --> 1:09:21.280 she d spooky about it. She's lying there lifelessly. You're 1:09:21.320 --> 1:09:23.200 not on the ground, You're not like, babe, babe, are 1:09:23.240 --> 1:09:26.879 you okay? Like you're just standing there like it's it's 1:09:26.920 --> 1:09:30.040 it's a little spooky. But like the Ravens called his 1:09:30.160 --> 1:09:31.880 arrest quote unquote a serious matter. 1:09:32.000 --> 1:09:33.480 He was suspended indefinitely. 1:09:34.080 --> 1:09:37.120 On March twenty seventh of twenty fourteen, a grand jury 1:09:37.160 --> 1:09:40.320 indicted Rice on third degree aggravated assault, which would have 1:09:40.320 --> 1:09:43.240 had a possible jail sentence of three to five years 1:09:43.280 --> 1:09:46.479 and a fine a fifteen k but the next day, 1:09:47.120 --> 1:09:51.439 which was six weeks after the incident. The day after 1:09:51.479 --> 1:09:54.479 he was indicted, they got married, So they hadn't been married, 1:09:54.479 --> 1:09:56.320 and so much like in this episode, they got married. 1:09:56.880 --> 1:09:58.760 I'm sorry the grand jury in Diamond must have been 1:09:58.800 --> 1:10:01.439 twenty fifteen, right, because this didn't happen until twenty fourteen. 1:10:01.479 --> 1:10:03.439 So I said the year wrong on that last thing. 1:10:03.520 --> 1:10:06.880 But Rice was suspended from these first two games. The 1:10:06.960 --> 1:10:11.160 criminal charges were eventually dropped because Rice agreed to undergo 1:10:11.240 --> 1:10:16.080 court supervised counseling. On September eighth of that year, he 1:10:16.240 --> 1:10:19.960 was released from the Ravens. He actually appealed his suspension 1:10:20.000 --> 1:10:22.280 on the grounds that he was suspended twice for the 1:10:22.280 --> 1:10:25.280 same offense, which is a violation of NFL rules, And 1:10:25.320 --> 1:10:28.879 on the twenty eighth of November of that year, twenty fourteen, 1:10:29.240 --> 1:10:31.040 it was announced that he won his appeal to be 1:10:31.120 --> 1:10:34.360 reinstated to the NFL, and he was reinstated, and on 1:10:34.479 --> 1:10:38.080 January fifteenth of twenty fifteen, he and the Ravens settled 1:10:38.080 --> 1:10:39.640 a lawsuit. He sued them for about three and a 1:10:39.680 --> 1:10:41.519 half million dollars in back pay that he said he 1:10:41.560 --> 1:10:44.680 would have earned in those final fifteen weeks after he 1:10:44.720 --> 1:10:48.880 had done his two game suspension so in twenty so 1:10:49.080 --> 1:10:51.280 at this point he's won three and a half million 1:10:51.280 --> 1:10:55.040 dollars and he's reinstated to the NFL. It's twenty sixteen. 1:10:55.080 --> 1:10:58.000 He tells everybody, hire me. I'm a free agent, like, 1:10:58.160 --> 1:11:00.799 I'll give all of my season salary to domestic violence 1:11:00.880 --> 1:11:03.240 ch charities if you sign me. No one signed him, 1:11:03.600 --> 1:11:06.320 and in twenty eighteen he announced that his football career 1:11:06.360 --> 1:11:10.439 was over. He never played professionally ever again. So after that, 1:11:10.560 --> 1:11:12.280 it's kind of hard to see what he's been doing. 1:11:12.320 --> 1:11:14.960 He became a motivational speaker. He talks to high school 1:11:14.960 --> 1:11:18.439 students and college athletes by speaking out about domestic violence, 1:11:18.520 --> 1:11:21.839 using his thing as a cautionary tale. In twenty eighteen, 1:11:21.880 --> 1:11:24.280 he went on CBS This Morning with Janey and said 1:11:24.600 --> 1:11:27.599 he hates the person he sees in that video. He said, quote, 1:11:27.720 --> 1:11:29.360 I'll be the first one to say it. I don't 1:11:29.400 --> 1:11:31.320 have to retire to tell you I'm done with football. 1:11:31.360 --> 1:11:33.559 The pressure I was under of being a star, that 1:11:33.680 --> 1:11:36.040 was the person I hated the most, and he just 1:11:36.120 --> 1:11:37.600 kept He says in this interview. 1:11:37.280 --> 1:11:38.479 A bunch of times, I hate the guy. 1:11:38.520 --> 1:11:40.479 I hate that guy in that video he says he 1:11:40.479 --> 1:11:42.439 doesn't need a second chance. He already got it when 1:11:42.439 --> 1:11:45.679 a Jina agreed to marry him. It's really hard because 1:11:45.680 --> 1:11:48.479 sometimes these articles say twenty twenty two, but they were 1:11:48.479 --> 1:11:51.600 written in twenty eighteen. They've just been updated with a 1:11:51.600 --> 1:11:54.439 new date. So they have a daughter named Raven. It's 1:11:54.439 --> 1:11:56.160 hard for me to figure out how old she is. 1:11:57.560 --> 1:11:59.559 He told Men's Journal, I got so. 1:11:59.400 --> 1:12:01.760 Weird, Like you played on the Ravens and then you 1:12:01.880 --> 1:12:04.439 named your daughter Raven. Yeah, Raven with a y r, 1:12:04.479 --> 1:12:07.800 a y v ian. No, I see, but like, yeah, 1:12:07.960 --> 1:12:11.600 didn't that that's weird. Yeah yeah. 1:12:11.640 --> 1:12:14.840 But he's so he's really big into Baltimore, like there 1:12:14.840 --> 1:12:16.880 were his team, Like he was a big person in 1:12:16.880 --> 1:12:20.200 Baltimore's I don't know. He said, I got publicly crucified 1:12:20.240 --> 1:12:23.559 and I deserved it to Men's Journal. And then I 1:12:23.600 --> 1:12:26.479 mean Janey like stood by his side the whole time. 1:12:26.520 --> 1:12:28.160 I'm trying to find out if she ever, like had 1:12:28.200 --> 1:12:30.240 a career. She ended up going to college down in 1:12:30.320 --> 1:12:33.000 Baltimore to Townsend to be near him when he was 1:12:33.000 --> 1:12:34.040 playing for the Ravens. 1:12:34.160 --> 1:12:36.880 And I don't know if she's if she works. 1:12:36.920 --> 1:12:39.800 I literally tried to find stuff about her, but she 1:12:39.960 --> 1:12:42.160 wrote in an Instagram post, if your intentions were to 1:12:42.240 --> 1:12:44.880 hurt us, embarrass us, make us feel alone, take all 1:12:44.920 --> 1:12:47.880 happiness away. You've succeeded on so many levels. Just know 1:12:47.960 --> 1:12:49.920 we will continue to grow and show the world what 1:12:49.960 --> 1:12:53.799 real love is. Raven's Nation, we love you. So obviously 1:12:53.840 --> 1:12:56.040 they're very into the Ravens somehow, because this is like 1:12:56.080 --> 1:12:58.240 a post about your family and a very serious domestic 1:12:58.280 --> 1:12:59.880 violence thing to happen, and at the end you're like 1:13:00.320 --> 1:13:02.000 hashtags big ups for Raven's Nation. 1:13:02.120 --> 1:13:03.120 It's a little bit weird. 1:13:03.160 --> 1:13:06.559 But apparently he's moved to Stanford, Connecticut, which is a 1:13:06.720 --> 1:13:09.280 city I used to live in as a child and 1:13:09.520 --> 1:13:11.720 is very close to where I grew up, and he 1:13:12.600 --> 1:13:15.000 as of twenty seventeen, I was reading something that he 1:13:15.080 --> 1:13:16.880 was coaching at his old high school in New Rochelle 1:13:16.920 --> 1:13:20.240 High School. But it's really hard to see what he's 1:13:20.320 --> 1:13:23.840 up to, Like right now, I did see that. Let 1:13:23.880 --> 1:13:26.040 me see one's the one thing because I saw Jane 1:13:26.280 --> 1:13:28.280 Is on Instagram. 1:13:28.760 --> 1:13:29.519 I can't tell. 1:13:29.640 --> 1:13:32.759 Jane Rice public figure thirty eight point five thousand followers 1:13:32.800 --> 1:13:35.519 owners of QTS and kob boutique just can't tell if 1:13:35.560 --> 1:13:37.679 this is her. It is her, It is her. Yeah, 1:13:37.680 --> 1:13:41.120 that's her. So they got pictures of sports up here. 1:13:41.240 --> 1:13:44.080 It looks like they're thriving. I don't know. I don't 1:13:44.080 --> 1:13:46.240 know what's going on with the fam. He's not maybe 1:13:46.280 --> 1:13:48.840 it is very much. It's an interesting perspective to have 1:13:48.920 --> 1:13:51.960 an abuser like do the you know, do the motivational 1:13:52.080 --> 1:13:56.400 speaking and be like, don't be like me, but yeahing 1:13:56.439 --> 1:14:00.280 about it feels off to me too, for do you 1:14:00.360 --> 1:14:03.800 act like the vict like he's saying everything right in 1:14:03.920 --> 1:14:05.519 everything that you just explained, you. 1:14:05.479 --> 1:14:07.200 Know, yeah, like he really is. 1:14:07.479 --> 1:14:09.840 He's not like the guy in the episode who's kind 1:14:09.880 --> 1:14:11.760 of like this was a private moment. I mean, he's like, 1:14:11.800 --> 1:14:13.400 that was the worst moment of my life. I did 1:14:13.439 --> 1:14:15.960 a horrible thing, like the fame, and I don't like 1:14:16.640 --> 1:14:19.200 maybe he was, I mean, who knows. Maybe he was 1:14:19.200 --> 1:14:21.760 like on steroids. Don't those make you aggressive? Like who knows? 1:14:21.800 --> 1:14:24.360 But now it's like he there's photos of them all 1:14:24.360 --> 1:14:27.920 over her instagram of like love you. She's not really 1:14:27.960 --> 1:14:29.920 on it in the past two years. I'll say that 1:14:29.960 --> 1:14:33.160 maybe they're having problems, but their kids are on there, 1:14:33.439 --> 1:14:36.439 the kid and it looks like she's playing sports and 1:14:36.520 --> 1:14:37.920 it's cute, but. 1:14:38.880 --> 1:14:41.479 It is wild because I bet he like, you know, 1:14:42.080 --> 1:14:43.200 he's gonna be real rich. 1:14:43.840 --> 1:14:45.680 Yeah, and it's like I don't know, I don't know 1:14:45.720 --> 1:14:48.519 what he's doing and I don't know what you but 1:14:48.640 --> 1:14:50.599 that should be the president. That should be the president. 1:14:50.720 --> 1:14:53.400 If you hit a woman, you lose everything? Like why 1:14:53.520 --> 1:14:55.439 is it like, oh, but what about his future? Why 1:14:55.439 --> 1:14:58.000 can't the standard be if you hit a woman, you 1:14:58.080 --> 1:15:01.120 lose everything. That's it, that's the rule. Yeah, something I was, 1:15:01.120 --> 1:15:03.040 why do we have to have leeway for these men? 1:15:03.120 --> 1:15:03.760 I don't get it? 1:15:04.040 --> 1:15:04.559 Well, I was. 1:15:04.520 --> 1:15:07.680 Reading too that the Ray Rice case like sort of 1:15:07.760 --> 1:15:10.679 like it did kind of make the NFL a lot 1:15:10.760 --> 1:15:15.280 more reactionary about like domestic violence stuff because there's been 1:15:15.320 --> 1:15:18.080 other obviously other players that have been in this situation 1:15:18.160 --> 1:15:19.519 and they've been like, well, we're not going to make 1:15:19.560 --> 1:15:21.160 the same mistake we made with Ray Rice, because I 1:15:21.200 --> 1:15:24.160 think they didn't. People didn't feel like he got enough 1:15:24.160 --> 1:15:26.519 of a punishment or whatever. But like so they're harder 1:15:26.560 --> 1:15:28.559 on other people. I guess when this happens now, But. 1:15:29.360 --> 1:15:30.559 That's the story. 1:15:30.560 --> 1:15:32.800 In case you weren't around in twenty fourteen when it 1:15:32.840 --> 1:15:35.680 was going on it's not really. Sometimes I research these 1:15:35.680 --> 1:15:37.000 things and I'm like, oh, there's so much more. 1:15:37.000 --> 1:15:37.559 I didn't know. 1:15:38.080 --> 1:15:39.760 I mean, the thing that he just says is like, 1:15:39.960 --> 1:15:43.040 I have no I have, There's nothing on my record 1:15:43.280 --> 1:15:45.160 I have, Like my wife if I was, if I 1:15:45.200 --> 1:15:47.040 was a serial abuser, my wife would have left. 1:15:47.479 --> 1:15:49.200 I mean, people say that all the time. That's not true, 1:15:49.600 --> 1:15:51.840 but I don't know. So that's that. 1:15:52.640 --> 1:15:55.080 But we have an amazing interview that's going to cleanse 1:15:55.160 --> 1:16:06.200 the palette right now. So everybody sit tight, guys, our 1:16:06.320 --> 1:16:09.960 guest today, I just want to reiterate, as we have 1:16:10.120 --> 1:16:13.640 been doing that this interview was recorded prior to the 1:16:13.680 --> 1:16:16.719 SAG strike, so no one is breaking any rules. 1:16:16.760 --> 1:16:17.840 This was pre recorded. 1:16:18.400 --> 1:16:21.719 Yeah, that's that, And without further ado, our guest today, 1:16:21.880 --> 1:16:24.920 Oh truly Booked and blessed, has starred in some of 1:16:24.960 --> 1:16:26.719 the most popular TV shows of all time. 1:16:27.080 --> 1:16:28.120 He was a series. 1:16:27.840 --> 1:16:30.559 Regular on the Wire on The Walking Dead. He can 1:16:30.640 --> 1:16:32.960 also recently be seen on The Orville. But you know 1:16:33.080 --> 1:16:36.839 him today as former professional football player and wife abuser 1:16:36.880 --> 1:16:40.280 AJ Martin. Please enjoy our convo with the very talented 1:16:40.400 --> 1:16:40.840 Chad L. 1:16:40.880 --> 1:16:41.240 Coleman. 1:16:41.760 --> 1:16:44.599 Hi, Chad, where are you right now? 1:16:44.120 --> 1:16:44.280 Yeah? 1:16:47.000 --> 1:16:48.120 I'm at the Weston in. 1:16:48.200 --> 1:16:51.760 La in La Okay, cool? Where are you based? Are you? 1:16:51.800 --> 1:16:51.880 Do? 1:16:51.920 --> 1:16:52.160 You? 1:16:52.160 --> 1:16:52.760 You don't live in. 1:16:52.800 --> 1:16:56.520 La not now, I'm in Atlanta. 1:16:56.800 --> 1:16:58.120 Yeah, we love Atlanta. 1:16:58.280 --> 1:17:01.600 Well, it looks like Law and Order original recipe was 1:17:01.640 --> 1:17:03.960 like one of your first gigs, Like it's at the 1:17:04.040 --> 1:17:06.120 very beginning of your IMDb. Was that like one of 1:17:06.120 --> 1:17:07.880 your first TV things that you did? 1:17:08.479 --> 1:17:08.679 Yeah? 1:17:08.960 --> 1:17:11.599 Yeah, well yeah, so then you got you got into 1:17:11.600 --> 1:17:12.880 the Dick Wolf universe. 1:17:12.600 --> 1:17:13.600 In the mid nineties. 1:17:14.240 --> 1:17:15.639 Yeah, yeah, and. 1:17:15.560 --> 1:17:18.439 Then you were on another episode of SBU called Rotten 1:17:18.439 --> 1:17:21.559 where you played a prison warden you know three yes, 1:17:21.760 --> 1:17:24.160 So then what got you back for this episode where 1:17:24.160 --> 1:17:26.200 they were like we love that prison warden, let's bring 1:17:26.280 --> 1:17:28.519 him in for this or like did you audition or 1:17:28.560 --> 1:17:29.280 what was the deal? 1:17:29.960 --> 1:17:31.479 No, no, no, you know at that point in time, 1:17:31.520 --> 1:17:35.000 I was working on the on the Walking Dead and 1:17:35.400 --> 1:17:37.559 they were already familiar with my work, and I thought 1:17:37.560 --> 1:17:40.760 that I would be great for that role, the kind 1:17:40.760 --> 1:17:45.160 of Ray Rice's character. Yeah, the producers just came to 1:17:45.200 --> 1:17:47.639 me and said, hey, man, this is what we're trying 1:17:47.680 --> 1:17:48.320 to take on. 1:17:48.880 --> 1:17:50.800 You know, this is the subject matter. 1:17:50.800 --> 1:17:56.519 And we want somebody that people will feel sympathetic towards 1:17:57.200 --> 1:18:00.519 and just not write them off. Is you know the 1:18:00.560 --> 1:18:03.960 domestic violence guy one on one, I hate him, you know, 1:18:04.000 --> 1:18:07.760 and just shut him down. So they wanted someone that 1:18:08.120 --> 1:18:14.560 could you know, they evoke empathy from people and so 1:18:14.560 --> 1:18:18.080 so something that people would have to wrestle with, you know. 1:18:18.560 --> 1:18:20.600 And then you know when you said Megan Good is 1:18:20.600 --> 1:18:23.920 going to play your wife? You know that part? 1:18:25.040 --> 1:18:27.080 Yeah, no problem, no problem. 1:18:28.680 --> 1:18:32.680 So you're in you know, Wire, Walking Dead kind of 1:18:32.840 --> 1:18:37.639 cults culty type beloved shows. Do you know what someone's 1:18:37.680 --> 1:18:40.920 about to like bother you on the street, like by 1:18:40.960 --> 1:18:43.839 looking at them, They're like, oh, you're a Walking Dead person. 1:18:44.360 --> 1:18:46.559 You're you're about to bring up the wire? 1:18:47.640 --> 1:18:47.880 Man. 1:18:48.240 --> 1:18:51.040 I wish it was that easy to peg. You know, 1:18:51.720 --> 1:18:54.600 it's really not. I feel like it's a lot of crossover. 1:18:56.320 --> 1:18:59.120 I would I would be generalizing. 1:19:01.720 --> 1:19:05.480 I can't tell. I can't tell you get the most 1:19:06.240 --> 1:19:06.839 of course. 1:19:06.600 --> 1:19:09.360 The Walking Dead. The volume is that you know, like 1:19:09.560 --> 1:19:12.759 sheer volume alone. But you know the Wire is that 1:19:12.760 --> 1:19:17.200 that you know was not a critical hit. You know 1:19:17.320 --> 1:19:20.439 that just I mean it was a critical hit, but 1:19:20.640 --> 1:19:24.320 was not you know, a mass appeal. It's grown into 1:19:24.840 --> 1:19:29.280 you know, having a mass appeal because of the substance 1:19:29.320 --> 1:19:31.960 of the show and the way it was done, and 1:19:32.040 --> 1:19:35.360 that the appreciation for the artistry of it. But you know, 1:19:36.200 --> 1:19:39.840 The Walking Dead was a massive hit, you know, right, 1:19:40.280 --> 1:19:43.439 so so Sheer numbers alone, it's going to be The 1:19:43.439 --> 1:19:44.120 Walking Dead. 1:19:45.240 --> 1:19:47.479 Yeah, well, okay, we'll talk. 1:19:47.600 --> 1:19:50.759 So you knew it was ray Rice this SVW part. 1:19:51.600 --> 1:19:55.320 And obviously it's like a sensitive topic at SVU. Did 1:19:55.360 --> 1:19:59.800 you have any hesitation or any thoughts, any research going into. 1:19:59.560 --> 1:20:04.839 It, you know, initial residence, reticent about playing a domestic 1:20:04.920 --> 1:20:08.720 violence guy, you know, but at the same time, understanding 1:20:08.800 --> 1:20:13.000 that we're talking, it's a subject matter. Somebody's got to 1:20:13.040 --> 1:20:16.000 play the role in order for us to have a 1:20:16.080 --> 1:20:20.920 deeper conversation, you know, So it's relevant from that standpoint 1:20:21.080 --> 1:20:25.679 that you know, I am hugely, obviously hugely against domestic 1:20:25.720 --> 1:20:27.519 violence and a man putting hand on a woman. 1:20:28.479 --> 1:20:30.519 That would be a twist, that would be a wild 1:20:30.560 --> 1:20:34.400 twist in this interview if if you were proud. 1:20:34.360 --> 1:20:34.679 If. 1:20:36.560 --> 1:20:43.280 Well, come to find out, Uh, it's such, it's such 1:20:43.320 --> 1:20:48.720 a it's a subject matter to me that let's address it. 1:20:48.840 --> 1:20:51.439 Let's always address it. Let's let's keep it on the 1:20:51.479 --> 1:20:54.840 front burner and uh, you know, in no way, shape 1:20:54.880 --> 1:20:57.360 perform should we be burying this and you see it. 1:20:57.360 --> 1:21:00.559 It's obviously it's relevant at all times to see what's 1:21:00.600 --> 1:21:02.800 going on in media right now with. 1:21:02.800 --> 1:21:04.759 A particular high profile actor. 1:21:05.320 --> 1:21:08.880 You know, it's real, it's a thousands real, it's in 1:21:08.920 --> 1:21:10.560 our communities, families. 1:21:11.040 --> 1:21:12.120 Uh. So I did. 1:21:12.360 --> 1:21:16.599 And you know, I'm an advocate for love Life Now, 1:21:17.040 --> 1:21:20.640 an organization in Boston that's uh you know, uh, an 1:21:20.680 --> 1:21:22.439 advocate against domestic violence. 1:21:23.040 --> 1:21:25.840 And so I was working with her, and you know, 1:21:26.080 --> 1:21:28.840 I can look at my childhood, my. 1:21:28.920 --> 1:21:33.320 Father, you know, this stuff was huge, and the narrative 1:21:33.560 --> 1:21:35.640 around that and what he did to my mom, that 1:21:35.720 --> 1:21:38.240 stuff was real. So I always want to be an 1:21:38.240 --> 1:21:41.479 advocate for that. And then I wanted to know, Okay, 1:21:41.520 --> 1:21:44.960 how are you going to tell this story? And they 1:21:44.960 --> 1:21:48.000 did a heck of a job of you know, presenting 1:21:48.040 --> 1:21:50.480 it from so many different angles. 1:21:50.920 --> 1:21:53.360 The fact that he had to go to jail was 1:21:53.400 --> 1:21:54.240 important to me. 1:21:54.520 --> 1:21:58.320 You know, you know, you got to the consequences should 1:21:58.320 --> 1:22:01.599 be that as far as I'm concer so the fact 1:22:01.640 --> 1:22:04.160 that this high profile dude, you know, even though his 1:22:04.200 --> 1:22:07.800 wife was in support of him, it was a really complex, 1:22:07.960 --> 1:22:12.040 layered approach to the story, and I thought it was 1:22:12.240 --> 1:22:17.240 handled incredibly well and it just it covered it from 1:22:17.320 --> 1:22:20.200 all angles there was. They weren't trying to vilify the man. 1:22:20.280 --> 1:22:25.360 They were just trying to hold him accountable, and I 1:22:25.400 --> 1:22:29.320 thought that was great. And his arrogance and inability to 1:22:29.439 --> 1:22:33.840 see you know, his the era of his ways, you know, 1:22:34.680 --> 1:22:36.840 So there's butt to jail there you go. 1:22:37.360 --> 1:22:40.200 You know, you're not You're not above the law. 1:22:40.360 --> 1:22:42.519 So I want to send that message to you know, 1:22:43.040 --> 1:22:47.080 high profile athletes, actors, whoever, who think that they have 1:22:47.200 --> 1:22:49.720 the right to do these things. No, you do not, 1:22:49.960 --> 1:22:53.719 and you should be punished, you know, completely, an absolute 1:22:54.040 --> 1:22:56.880 to the letter of the law. So that's where I 1:22:57.080 --> 1:22:59.519 was with it. And and we want to do substance 1:22:59.560 --> 1:23:01.880 of work. You don't always have to play the good guy. 1:23:02.200 --> 1:23:05.559 It's somebody that everybody loves, uh And evidently people will 1:23:05.560 --> 1:23:07.639 appreciate that you took on. 1:23:07.600 --> 1:23:09.360 A role that you know. 1:23:10.840 --> 1:23:14.160 That could possibly have you seen in a negative light. 1:23:14.320 --> 1:23:18.320 But recognizing no, if we don't tell the story, then 1:23:19.200 --> 1:23:22.559 then then it's not in the forefront as it should be. 1:23:22.720 --> 1:23:25.000 So that's why that's why I was with it. 1:23:25.360 --> 1:23:30.200 Did you guys film the the security camera footage or 1:23:30.240 --> 1:23:32.120 those stand ins or did you guys do that? 1:23:32.360 --> 1:23:34.439 No, we did that and that was very tough and 1:23:34.560 --> 1:23:38.160 that was that was that was rough. But again, you 1:23:38.200 --> 1:23:40.880 can't give it a soft landing. You gotta go for 1:23:41.000 --> 1:23:44.880 it because that's the horrific nature of it and if 1:23:44.880 --> 1:23:48.880 you do anything less then you're not doing service to it. 1:23:48.920 --> 1:23:52.160 But I was just totally you okay, you know, always 1:23:52.280 --> 1:23:55.960 like checking in with her to make sure that she 1:23:56.120 --> 1:23:59.160 was okay with with everything that was going down, and. 1:23:59.080 --> 1:24:01.559 We worked it out to it. But she, you know, 1:24:01.920 --> 1:24:04.559 she's like, come on, now, let's go for it. 1:24:05.240 --> 1:24:08.639 You know, this needs to be as brutal as it 1:24:08.720 --> 1:24:12.800 is in order for you know, it to resonate with 1:24:13.200 --> 1:24:13.839 the audience. 1:24:14.439 --> 1:24:15.479 It needs to be that way. 1:24:16.080 --> 1:24:18.400 Yeah, because it is shocking and hard to watch, like 1:24:18.840 --> 1:24:21.120 you know, like the video that you know came out 1:24:21.120 --> 1:24:24.120 on the news. Well, one thing I noticed throughout this 1:24:24.200 --> 1:24:28.320 whole episode, you do so like much acting without saying 1:24:28.400 --> 1:24:28.840 a word. 1:24:29.000 --> 1:24:33.040 Your faces say so much. Like on top just. 1:24:33.000 --> 1:24:35.639 Gave one look to Megan Good and it was like, oh, 1:24:35.720 --> 1:24:38.240 you know, who the like, what is happening in this house? 1:24:38.280 --> 1:24:40.120 Which is one was so impressive? 1:24:40.320 --> 1:24:42.479 Right, Yeah, Yeah, it's gonna be a problem. You know, 1:24:43.280 --> 1:24:44.760 you're doing what are you doing? 1:24:45.280 --> 1:24:45.479 You know? 1:24:46.040 --> 1:24:49.240 I mean, unfortunately those guys are like that, very much 1:24:49.360 --> 1:24:49.720 like that. 1:24:49.840 --> 1:24:53.800 It is the ego maniac. Yeah, a lot of ways like. 1:24:53.920 --> 1:24:58.120 I run this and you know you better andize step 1:24:58.160 --> 1:25:02.639 out of line. It's it's it's so unfortunate. And I 1:25:02.720 --> 1:25:08.120 just hope that we're men continue to evolve with a 1:25:08.200 --> 1:25:11.240 clear understanding and that you know, that. 1:25:11.360 --> 1:25:11.880 Is a no go. 1:25:12.400 --> 1:25:18.400 And you know, unfortunately not enough men are teaching their sons. 1:25:19.320 --> 1:25:23.479 But hey, I was taught by my older brother. The 1:25:23.520 --> 1:25:27.439 brother just said tyne a woman and that stuck with 1:25:27.600 --> 1:25:32.000 me for my life, you know, and no one seems simple, 1:25:32.080 --> 1:25:37.519 but it you got to drill drill it home. Coming 1:25:37.520 --> 1:25:40.920 from certain communities, you do have to drill it home. 1:25:41.520 --> 1:25:41.720 You know. 1:25:42.320 --> 1:25:46.040 Unfortunately it can be more commonplace than it should be. 1:25:46.320 --> 1:25:48.120 So and then you would like how was? 1:25:48.560 --> 1:25:48.920 How was? 1:25:49.200 --> 1:25:51.800 Because it was kind of translating even into the relationship 1:25:51.840 --> 1:25:55.240 with the sun, because you were at that moment where 1:25:55.280 --> 1:25:58.000 you kind of yell at him. And you know, that's 1:25:58.000 --> 1:26:01.280 a similar thing where people just learn not from their parents, 1:26:01.400 --> 1:26:03.799 you know, like this is how you control your children 1:26:03.880 --> 1:26:05.519 or you keep your kids in line or whatever. 1:26:06.080 --> 1:26:08.719 But how was it working with that kid actor? 1:26:08.720 --> 1:26:11.400 Were you like, I'm a nice guy, like in between takes, 1:26:11.439 --> 1:26:14.919 like what because like. 1:26:12.880 --> 1:26:14.559 I really like a ten year old. 1:26:15.120 --> 1:26:20.320 Yeah, I naturally love kids and gravitate. So my energy 1:26:20.400 --> 1:26:24.920 was to protect him, but also to show him that 1:26:25.439 --> 1:26:26.880 this is how you be a professional. 1:26:27.520 --> 1:26:30.680 When you do your work. You do your work fully. 1:26:30.520 --> 1:26:34.599 And absolutely I'm making apologize apologies for doing your work, 1:26:35.040 --> 1:26:37.879 but you don't have to have the work bleed into 1:26:38.320 --> 1:26:41.080 you know, the on set energy. It doesn't have to 1:26:41.120 --> 1:26:45.760 be that way. So I'm gonna you get comfortable until 1:26:45.960 --> 1:26:50.240 you're not. But when we say action, you know, I 1:26:50.280 --> 1:26:51.920 got to do my work, and so I want you 1:26:51.960 --> 1:26:53.600 to want him to understand. 1:26:53.160 --> 1:26:54.000 That, right. 1:26:54.560 --> 1:26:57.080 Have you ever worked with someone that stays in character 1:26:57.160 --> 1:26:58.839 the whole time and then you're so annoyed? 1:27:00.040 --> 1:27:02.080 Like yeah, yeah, I try not to be annoyed. But 1:27:04.320 --> 1:27:08.479 you know, everybody owns their space, you know that. I'm 1:27:08.520 --> 1:27:12.800 like that, like do you do it? And you know 1:27:12.840 --> 1:27:15.120 a lot of time what happens is, you know, people 1:27:15.200 --> 1:27:17.720 are put on their headphones and just be you know, 1:27:18.120 --> 1:27:21.400 like in the corner and stuff, and I'm like, yeah, okay, 1:27:21.439 --> 1:27:25.160 whatever it takes for you no problem and if you 1:27:25.479 --> 1:27:26.559 especially with stuff like this. 1:27:26.720 --> 1:27:29.400 He's a very very. 1:27:29.200 --> 1:27:35.240 Heavy, you know, deep drama kind of situations, so some 1:27:35.280 --> 1:27:38.880 people have to ramp up, you know. For me, it's 1:27:38.920 --> 1:27:42.439 more just about relaxation and being true to the story, 1:27:42.720 --> 1:27:45.600 you know what I mean. And they did such a 1:27:45.640 --> 1:27:48.200 heck of job of writing it. I think it was 1:27:48.240 --> 1:27:52.560 Warren light. I believe it was. You know, if you 1:27:52.840 --> 1:27:56.040 just if you're present and you're relaxed in the truth 1:27:56.439 --> 1:27:59.640 of what's on that page, then you know, for me, 1:27:59.720 --> 1:28:02.160 I don't have to do a lot of ramping up. 1:28:02.720 --> 1:28:07.320 I'm more so concerned with the other actors feeling comfortable 1:28:07.320 --> 1:28:08.600 and safe, you know. 1:28:09.880 --> 1:28:10.559 But we had some. 1:28:10.560 --> 1:28:13.120 Fun too, because I got to you know, ic Tea 1:28:13.240 --> 1:28:15.680 is like the coolest uncle on the planet, you know, 1:28:16.040 --> 1:28:20.120 and you know he's funny. You know, we got to 1:28:20.280 --> 1:28:22.680 chat and talk for real. I wrapped for him. He 1:28:22.720 --> 1:28:25.440 said I could rap, and I was like, oh wow, 1:28:26.000 --> 1:28:28.600 RISK rapped and it was like oh wow, you know, 1:28:28.960 --> 1:28:32.519 so that was we would have. You know, sometimes when 1:28:32.520 --> 1:28:35.280 the subject matter is so heavy, you do want to 1:28:35.320 --> 1:28:39.320 have some levity in between takes and stuff, because it's 1:28:39.360 --> 1:28:41.120 already an uncomfortable subject matter. 1:28:41.240 --> 1:28:44.160 So I didn't know risk could. 1:28:44.000 --> 1:28:48.080 Rapt but she she's funny too. They're both very funny. 1:28:48.080 --> 1:28:51.040 You know you you're going to have a good time 1:28:51.320 --> 1:28:54.360 working with them, for sure. And then I see he 1:28:54.439 --> 1:28:59.320 wanted to talk about Milwaukee dead. He's at y'all. He's 1:28:59.360 --> 1:29:01.400 at y'all, you know who need to. 1:29:01.320 --> 1:29:03.240 Be killed off? Call? 1:29:04.000 --> 1:29:09.599 Okay, he don't listen to his father? Need to take 1:29:09.640 --> 1:29:13.639 off that damn hat? I said, I see who says 1:29:13.760 --> 1:29:16.960 that man who says that the kids should be killed 1:29:16.960 --> 1:29:19.280 off each other? But I guess they listened. 1:29:19.280 --> 1:29:19.920 They heard him. 1:29:19.960 --> 1:29:23.080 You know, probably took what three maybe three or four 1:29:23.160 --> 1:29:27.160 more seasons, but you know, Carl was killed off. But 1:29:27.360 --> 1:29:30.040 he had he had a huge beef for that character, 1:29:30.560 --> 1:29:31.559 the kids, Carricter. 1:29:31.600 --> 1:29:33.120 It's so funny. 1:29:33.360 --> 1:29:36.760 He's like, it's an apocalypse, a zombie apocalypse. But take 1:29:36.800 --> 1:29:37.439 your hat off. 1:29:37.479 --> 1:29:37.880 I love it. 1:29:38.040 --> 1:29:44.040 You had listening to your damn father. He's great. 1:29:44.280 --> 1:29:46.520 Did you get any ice cold facts? 1:29:47.400 --> 1:29:47.760 You know what? 1:29:47.880 --> 1:29:50.479 He was talking about the state of rap So you 1:29:50.520 --> 1:29:53.479 know when he was doing that dissertation, I was all 1:29:53.560 --> 1:29:54.600 these bad you know. 1:29:54.760 --> 1:29:57.800 Yeah, wait did you start in theater or were you 1:29:57.960 --> 1:29:58.200 or no? 1:29:58.439 --> 1:29:59.760 Like why did you you did? 1:30:00.240 --> 1:30:00.479 Yeah? 1:30:00.560 --> 1:30:03.960 So I got to New York in eighty nine. Actually, 1:30:04.080 --> 1:30:05.640 the first thing I did was to stand in on 1:30:05.680 --> 1:30:09.800 the Cosby Show. I thought I was audition I was 1:30:09.840 --> 1:30:12.200 so new to the city, you know, I thought I 1:30:12.240 --> 1:30:16.599 was auditioning for the show. I was actually auditioning to 1:30:16.720 --> 1:30:20.759 have a piece of tape across my just saying THEO. 1:30:22.560 --> 1:30:26.879 But what stand ins make more than background? So you're 1:30:26.920 --> 1:30:27.960 not at the merry bottom. 1:30:28.240 --> 1:30:32.360 No, No, that was that. It was a cool gig, 1:30:32.560 --> 1:30:34.599 you know, it was at that time. It was just after. 1:30:35.040 --> 1:30:37.679 It was an after gig. Yeah, you know, I mean, 1:30:38.439 --> 1:30:42.080 look at the experience you there with all these iconic 1:30:42.160 --> 1:30:45.320 people and you know, absorbing everything. 1:30:45.960 --> 1:30:49.200 You know, a thing. I know cos was dealing with it. 1:30:49.720 --> 1:30:51.639 What we're you know, part of what we're talking about 1:30:51.720 --> 1:30:54.240 right now. Yeah, but at that time, you know, he 1:30:54.360 --> 1:30:58.400 was just this iconic dude, and uh, Lisa Bonet and 1:30:59.080 --> 1:31:02.760 you know Lisa bone was dating that's when she was 1:31:02.840 --> 1:31:06.800 dating Lenny Kravitz at that time. Wow, she would come 1:31:07.160 --> 1:31:09.560 she would come to the US to the studio. Was 1:31:09.600 --> 1:31:13.200 calling a story of studios and queens and story of things. 1:31:13.640 --> 1:31:17.559 So she would come to the studio say hey, guys, hey, guys, 1:31:17.560 --> 1:31:20.759 could you guys, please play Lenny's music for the pre show, 1:31:21.000 --> 1:31:23.920 because nobody knew who Lenny Kravitz was at the time, 1:31:24.040 --> 1:31:26.320 and you know she was trying to promote her. 1:31:26.400 --> 1:31:30.840 Man, God, were how was it being in New York 1:31:30.840 --> 1:31:35.080 in that time and acting like obviously story like, how 1:31:35.080 --> 1:31:37.200 do you remember that time? 1:31:37.960 --> 1:31:40.759 It was so exciting, you know, I was so excited. 1:31:40.800 --> 1:31:42.040 I was following my dreams. 1:31:42.120 --> 1:31:45.840 You know, I don't care for Richmond Virginia, uh made 1:31:45.840 --> 1:31:48.880 if I made his way to New York. And I 1:31:48.960 --> 1:31:54.000 was just a wide eyed excited, very cocky and sure 1:31:54.040 --> 1:31:54.960 of what I could do. 1:31:57.000 --> 1:32:01.640 So you know, I literally I was fired from the show. 1:32:02.000 --> 1:32:08.040 Because I was you know, I got desponded after finding 1:32:08.080 --> 1:32:10.160 out that they're not even going to give me a 1:32:10.200 --> 1:32:11.479 shot to be on the show. 1:32:11.640 --> 1:32:13.639 I'm doing this so I could be on the show. 1:32:14.160 --> 1:32:15.880 I even told Malchael Jamon one of that. 1:32:16.280 --> 1:32:18.559 He said, he said, I said, no, man, I'm an actor. 1:32:18.840 --> 1:32:23.240 He's It's like, he said, who's a professional standard? Maybe 1:32:23.240 --> 1:32:27.479 they are, but I'm not one of them. So I 1:32:27.600 --> 1:32:30.120 was I wanted to be on the show because when 1:32:30.160 --> 1:32:33.800 you when you rehearse, you're doing the lines and the 1:32:33.840 --> 1:32:36.680 blocking just as they would and they show you on 1:32:36.880 --> 1:32:42.040 the monitors throughout the throughout the soundstage as if you 1:32:42.080 --> 1:32:45.840 were that character. And I was really good. I knew 1:32:45.880 --> 1:32:48.519 I was good at what I was doing, so and 1:32:48.600 --> 1:32:53.320 they did too. But so, you know, eventually I was like, 1:32:54.960 --> 1:32:57.479 I would be so despondent when it was time, Like 1:32:57.600 --> 1:33:00.160 you work Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, and they take for 1:33:00.200 --> 1:33:03.519 a Friday and you're not there. So every Friday I'm 1:33:03.560 --> 1:33:07.400 on the train crying, like why can I be? You know, 1:33:07.560 --> 1:33:12.320 I want to be on the show. So inevitably, Malcolm, 1:33:12.760 --> 1:33:15.519 you know, the Cogy show ends and Malcolm has a 1:33:15.560 --> 1:33:18.519 new show called Here and Now, and I got it. 1:33:18.560 --> 1:33:21.840 I got a guest star. I wrote on there. 1:33:22.080 --> 1:33:25.360 Oh so when I showed up, he's like, yo, I said, 1:33:25.479 --> 1:33:27.120 I told you that. 1:33:30.000 --> 1:33:32.320 You mentioned it's like, you know what it's like to 1:33:32.360 --> 1:33:34.360 be on a show that hits and gets that level. 1:33:34.640 --> 1:33:38.760 When did you When did you realize Walking Dead like 1:33:39.800 --> 1:33:41.760 it's all going to be what it was like While 1:33:41.800 --> 1:33:43.920 you guys are filming premiere, like. 1:33:45.520 --> 1:33:49.320 You realize, well, you know, I was watching it, but 1:33:49.640 --> 1:33:52.679 you know, season three it was you know, I came 1:33:52.720 --> 1:33:55.920 in at the halfway point of season three and by 1:33:56.040 --> 1:33:59.880 season three, it was finding its momentum. You know, really 1:34:00.800 --> 1:34:03.320 it could you know what all it is? Everywhere you 1:34:03.439 --> 1:34:05.040 turn people are talking about it. 1:34:05.920 --> 1:34:07.200 Good it all the after show. 1:34:07.760 --> 1:34:10.479 Yeah, and then all of that stuff was birthed. 1:34:10.680 --> 1:34:13.160 You know, when did you have a show about a 1:34:13.200 --> 1:34:14.880 talk show about a show? 1:34:15.040 --> 1:34:17.639 Right? Very often? 1:34:18.200 --> 1:34:21.880 And uh so everything about it took off, you know, 1:34:22.439 --> 1:34:26.200 everywhere you turned that people were just talking about it. 1:34:26.280 --> 1:34:30.160 So that's that that part. And then you know, I 1:34:30.200 --> 1:34:32.880 wasn't even looking at my you know, social media numbers. 1:34:32.920 --> 1:34:36.000 They were going through the roof, especially when I was 1:34:36.080 --> 1:34:39.200 killed off. I think that's probably when when the numbers 1:34:39.200 --> 1:34:43.000 went up, you know, and you know, in the hundreds 1:34:43.000 --> 1:34:43.640 of thousands. 1:34:43.640 --> 1:34:46.080 So uh people devastated. 1:34:46.760 --> 1:34:52.160 Yeah, yeah, incredibly. So's they still talk about it today still. 1:34:52.240 --> 1:34:55.840 One of those I had two iconic, really iconic episodes 1:34:55.880 --> 1:34:59.600 of One was called The Grove, where. 1:35:00.880 --> 1:35:03.680 I had to confront a character about killing. 1:35:04.160 --> 1:35:06.800 Who had killed my girlfriend on the show. And this 1:35:06.960 --> 1:35:11.639 is someone I thought I was in allegiance with and Carol. 1:35:12.600 --> 1:35:14.880 So when Carol killed my. 1:35:14.840 --> 1:35:18.760 Girlfriend, she admitted to kill my girlfriend. And it was 1:35:18.800 --> 1:35:22.519 one of the most iconic scenes that's ever been done. 1:35:22.920 --> 1:35:26.200 And that was amazing and then the having to kill 1:35:26.320 --> 1:35:27.400 the little girl. 1:35:27.680 --> 1:35:31.160 She had to kill a little girl was incredible. 1:35:31.520 --> 1:35:33.879 And so the Grove is one of those show episodes 1:35:33.920 --> 1:35:37.720 that sits out and then My and My Death episode, 1:35:38.000 --> 1:35:43.960 those two likes. It's been what eleven seasons, and if 1:35:44.000 --> 1:35:49.679 you said top ten shows episodes, those two episodes would 1:35:49.680 --> 1:35:53.080 be in the top ten still, you know. Yeah, so 1:35:53.880 --> 1:35:57.320 pretty pretty powerful, impactful, memorable stuff. 1:35:57.439 --> 1:35:58.320 Wait, I have one. 1:35:58.600 --> 1:36:01.760 This is from saw a photo while we were researching 1:36:01.800 --> 1:36:03.880 you the makeup on Orville. 1:36:04.320 --> 1:36:06.479 Yeah, yeah, I love I love Clydon. 1:36:06.600 --> 1:36:11.519 Well, first of all, our storyline has been huge for 1:36:11.560 --> 1:36:15.320 the LGBTQ plus community because they look at it as 1:36:15.360 --> 1:36:18.360 same sex, you know, and they also look at. 1:36:18.520 --> 1:36:22.800 The transgender community with our daughter who's. 1:36:22.560 --> 1:36:26.800 A son now, you know, or no our yeah, our 1:36:26.880 --> 1:36:30.840 daughter who became a son, who became a daughter, you know. 1:36:31.120 --> 1:36:32.639 But the the. 1:36:32.680 --> 1:36:37.800 LGBTQ plus community has been really appreciative of that storyline. 1:36:37.800 --> 1:36:40.720 They're able to extract from it, you know, some of 1:36:40.760 --> 1:36:44.920 their own experiences and that's been amazing. But in terms 1:36:45.000 --> 1:36:49.080 of the makeup, it takes an hour and ten minutes. 1:36:50.000 --> 1:36:51.879 Oh, I thought it would be way longer. 1:36:52.280 --> 1:36:56.559 I know. Seth was very pointed about us not being 1:36:56.600 --> 1:36:58.360 in the makeup chair for like three hours. 1:36:58.400 --> 1:36:59.000 It's TV. 1:36:59.160 --> 1:37:01.800 You know, we don't have the time and you know, 1:37:02.280 --> 1:37:04.200 just spend in a chair like you do on some 1:37:04.360 --> 1:37:09.120 film sets. So he was Howard berger uh Is with 1:37:09.600 --> 1:37:13.679 K and B special effects makeup, probably the premiere company 1:37:13.760 --> 1:37:18.000 in the in the game now and Howard created this thing. 1:37:18.160 --> 1:37:21.639 So he made a cowl of the head and now 1:37:21.680 --> 1:37:25.160 you do his tack it down around your face, and 1:37:25.200 --> 1:37:28.439 then the second pieces like the batman mask, the eyes 1:37:28.479 --> 1:37:31.719 and the nose boom and then a little chin. Most 1:37:31.800 --> 1:37:34.000 of the time is spent spraying. 1:37:33.600 --> 1:37:36.920 Down and evening out the makeup, you know, but it's 1:37:37.120 --> 1:37:41.640 it was. It was very efficient, but it looks so elaborate, 1:37:41.760 --> 1:37:45.200 but it was. He did most of the work for us, 1:37:45.320 --> 1:37:45.519 you know. 1:37:46.520 --> 1:37:49.280 Okay, so you're not getting recognized from the Orville pretty much. 1:37:50.240 --> 1:37:54.960 Maybe maybe I am. 1:37:55.280 --> 1:37:58.400 No they It's what happens is to go I know 1:37:58.520 --> 1:37:59.840 that voice. 1:37:59.560 --> 1:38:02.160 You know, yeah, yeah, the voice totally. 1:38:02.720 --> 1:38:04.920 But then a lot of people were like, oh, shoot, 1:38:04.920 --> 1:38:10.200 I didn't know Jack Coleman under there, Like yeah, yeah, 1:38:09.680 --> 1:38:15.040 I saw I saw Alan Rickman and a Galaxy quest. 1:38:15.400 --> 1:38:17.680 That's when I first like, I want to be in 1:38:18.080 --> 1:38:23.000 you know, I'd love to be and uh, a couple 1:38:23.000 --> 1:38:24.000 of others. 1:38:25.400 --> 1:38:29.880 Enemy minds, you know, and that was Lucasset inside of 1:38:29.920 --> 1:38:33.200 them in the makeup. There's been a few that you 1:38:33.240 --> 1:38:35.920 know resonated, so it's an actor. I always felt like 1:38:36.400 --> 1:38:39.120 that would be cool to do, so I was happy 1:38:39.120 --> 1:38:39.840 to be able to do it. 1:38:43.880 --> 1:38:47.000 I love introducing someone as a wife abuser. That was 1:38:47.080 --> 1:38:51.880 really funny. It was hard not to fully tackle and 1:38:51.920 --> 1:38:54.240 he because he seems like the nicest man in real life, 1:38:54.280 --> 1:38:56.519 as everybody is. Every asshole on the show is like 1:38:56.560 --> 1:38:58.439 comes on our podcast and is the nicest person in 1:38:58.479 --> 1:39:01.400 the world. But he was come into us live from 1:39:01.479 --> 1:39:05.840 a hotel room and I seeing the time, and one 1:39:05.840 --> 1:39:08.639 of the funniest things in the history of the world happened, 1:39:08.760 --> 1:39:12.200 which is someone was in the background but didn't realize 1:39:12.200 --> 1:39:14.360 there was a video and he had to go, girl, 1:39:14.600 --> 1:39:17.479 there's a video, and then she jumped like in a 1:39:17.560 --> 1:39:21.600 movie where she was covering like a bomb from exploding 1:39:21.600 --> 1:39:24.759 a village. She jumped over the bed. It was so funny, 1:39:25.920 --> 1:39:28.679 it was incredible. So thanks for that live laugh for us. 1:39:29.160 --> 1:39:32.360 That was fantastic and an incredible actor. 1:39:32.200 --> 1:39:37.839 Person, you know. I just I really enjoyed our chat. Yeah, yeah, 1:39:37.960 --> 1:39:40.679 great guy and so booked. 1:39:40.720 --> 1:39:43.320 He's in so many things coming up that we obviously 1:39:43.400 --> 1:39:46.240 aren't going to mention because of SAG stuff, but like, 1:39:46.560 --> 1:39:48.960 very talented man, and you'll be seeing him a lot 1:39:49.000 --> 1:39:49.679 more in the future. 1:39:49.680 --> 1:39:51.000 I feel like in tons of stuff. 1:39:51.760 --> 1:39:55.200 Ell yeah, episode, Oh my god, it is just susy. 1:39:56.120 --> 1:39:58.080 This one is great. It's layered. 1:39:58.280 --> 1:40:02.000 It's like, you know, we have to help people get 1:40:02.040 --> 1:40:05.040 out of these abusive situations, but she didn't want to 1:40:05.280 --> 1:40:08.559 even when they don't want to help themselves. Yeah, she did. 1:40:08.800 --> 1:40:12.880 She wanted to be with this person. And I don't 1:40:12.920 --> 1:40:14.960 know what the right thing to do, Like what do 1:40:15.000 --> 1:40:18.640 you do? Yeah, I mean I get Olivia's point of 1:40:18.680 --> 1:40:20.320 view is like we're on the side of the law, 1:40:20.439 --> 1:40:21.800 like you broke the law. We have to do, we 1:40:21.840 --> 1:40:23.920 have to do And it's like there is an eight 1:40:24.000 --> 1:40:26.840 year old kid in the house, you know. Well, yeah, 1:40:26.880 --> 1:40:30.320 because I remember when the Chris Brown Rihanna situation happened, 1:40:30.360 --> 1:40:33.040 a lot of people's thing was like, well, she forgave him, 1:40:33.120 --> 1:40:34.840 or she went back to her they or had a 1:40:34.880 --> 1:40:37.160 relation or whatever, and I go, that has nothing to 1:40:37.200 --> 1:40:40.800 do with me, And I hate him and fuck him 1:40:40.800 --> 1:40:43.240 and I will never support him, you know, like I 1:40:43.439 --> 1:40:46.719 to me, it doesn't matter if if you did something 1:40:46.760 --> 1:40:49.080 fucked up to someone and they forgave you, that is 1:40:49.520 --> 1:40:52.120 their prerogative and that is their right of course, but 1:40:53.000 --> 1:40:55.960 I will hate you and I don't care. Yeah that 1:40:56.280 --> 1:40:57.920 was I mean, there's an s for you based on 1:40:57.960 --> 1:41:00.840 that that we've been avoiding handling, but. 1:41:01.280 --> 1:41:06.040 We definitely have been because it's so it's upsetting. 1:41:06.160 --> 1:41:10.080 It's upsetting and that no one cares and that the 1:41:10.200 --> 1:41:15.880 Reverend defended him in this episode. Yeah, that really gets 1:41:16.120 --> 1:41:17.040 my blood boiling. 1:41:18.080 --> 1:41:20.960 Yeah. Not good, not good. 1:41:21.080 --> 1:41:25.000 I mean it's just like yeah, and it's it's hard 1:41:25.040 --> 1:41:27.519 because it's like even I thought myself feeling bad for 1:41:27.640 --> 1:41:29.800 ray Rice when I was doing this research because I 1:41:29.880 --> 1:41:33.560 was like, wow, he really says nothing else ever happened, 1:41:33.680 --> 1:41:36.479 and like there's never been a blemish on his record 1:41:36.479 --> 1:41:39.599 except for this one time that he fucking like cold 1:41:39.680 --> 1:41:43.200 cocked his wife and then just like didn't seem scared 1:41:43.479 --> 1:41:46.160 at all or upset that he had done it. Like 1:41:46.200 --> 1:41:48.120 I understand, people see red, they go on to it 1:41:48.280 --> 1:41:50.080 and then then it's like, oh my god, what have 1:41:50.120 --> 1:41:51.920 I done? Like there was none of that, and so 1:41:52.040 --> 1:41:54.280 that makes me think like, yeah, I guess if this 1:41:54.360 --> 1:41:56.479 hadn't happened and you had it lost your whole career 1:41:56.560 --> 1:41:59.560 and been under the public microscope, Like, who knows what 1:41:59.560 --> 1:42:02.200 you would have done next time. You know, there's no 1:42:02.240 --> 1:42:04.479 way that was the first. You don't just punch someone 1:42:04.560 --> 1:42:05.519 out cold like that. 1:42:05.600 --> 1:42:07.560 I know. That is what. 1:42:07.680 --> 1:42:09.400 Oh my god. So you know how I always call 1:42:09.479 --> 1:42:10.519 this the conair rule. 1:42:11.280 --> 1:42:14.920 I was with my sister and she got into a 1:42:14.960 --> 1:42:17.320 little thing with someone because basically, oh, I can't live 1:42:17.360 --> 1:42:20.799 in and tell you this. So they know somebody whose 1:42:21.479 --> 1:42:25.200 son is defending people against bullies, but he has a 1:42:25.240 --> 1:42:28.559 black belt in taekwondo, and so he chokes these kids 1:42:28.560 --> 1:42:32.680 out until they pass out. And so the whole discussion 1:42:32.960 --> 1:42:36.400 is like their parents, though, are suing the school for 1:42:36.479 --> 1:42:39.240 not doing enough about bullying, even though their kid is 1:42:39.280 --> 1:42:42.320 the one who has choked out three people till they 1:42:42.360 --> 1:42:44.240 pass out, which to me, I was like, Oh, he's 1:42:44.280 --> 1:42:45.960 gonna be a cop. This is a kid that's gonna 1:42:45.960 --> 1:42:49.200 be a cop. Because so they're not yeah, you're not punching. 1:42:49.360 --> 1:42:52.040 You're not telling a parent like you can punch someone, 1:42:52.080 --> 1:42:54.280 you can kick them, you can shove them to the 1:42:54.280 --> 1:42:58.000 ground and say don't do that, and violence is not 1:42:58.040 --> 1:43:00.240 the answer whatever, but like, all right, you hit it kid, 1:43:00.280 --> 1:43:04.479 who cares? But you're to choke out another kid until 1:43:04.479 --> 1:43:10.320 they lose consciousness is an extreme And my sister's trying 1:43:10.320 --> 1:43:13.479 to explain to these parents like no, no, no, that is wrong, 1:43:13.640 --> 1:43:15.160 like it's the con Air rule. 1:43:15.200 --> 1:43:16.679 And I go, wait, what did you just say? 1:43:16.720 --> 1:43:18.640 She goes, well, he has skills because he has a 1:43:18.640 --> 1:43:20.800 black belt in taekwondo, and I go, I say the 1:43:20.840 --> 1:43:21.519 con Air rule. 1:43:21.560 --> 1:43:25.679 I'm like, we are truly related. It just felt special. 1:43:25.760 --> 1:43:31.719 But yeah, wait, so this kid's parents are suing because 1:43:31.760 --> 1:43:34.840 he's like taking vigil he's like a vigilante. Basically, he's 1:43:34.880 --> 1:43:36.759 like taking justice into his own hands. 1:43:37.120 --> 1:43:38.640 Yeah, and that he shouldn't have to. 1:43:38.800 --> 1:43:42.000 And they they're just like a litigious family, so I 1:43:42.040 --> 1:43:44.960 guess they like love suing people, so they sue people 1:43:44.960 --> 1:43:48.840 constantly and win all this money and kind of live. 1:43:48.720 --> 1:43:53.799 Off there are you know, they are not my sister's friends. 1:43:53.840 --> 1:43:56.719 They are like someone like a friend of a friend, 1:43:56.760 --> 1:44:00.200 like yeah, people they know from their past. But like yeah, yeah, 1:44:00.680 --> 1:44:03.799 the person that was relaying the story saw no issue 1:44:03.840 --> 1:44:08.360 with this kid passing people out, and I was like, oh, no, 1:44:08.520 --> 1:44:12.920 he will be a decorated officer soon, don't you worry? Yeah? 1:44:13.120 --> 1:44:16.320 Oh my, my, justice to the extreme. So I don't know, 1:44:16.760 --> 1:44:19.080 to the extreme. I rock a mic like a vandal, 1:44:19.200 --> 1:44:22.439 choke out my classmates. It's a scandal, that's my I 1:44:22.560 --> 1:44:24.479 just made that up. It was a vanilla ice wrap 1:44:24.520 --> 1:44:26.599 that I did about a kid choking people at school. 1:44:26.640 --> 1:44:28.360 So I hope you guys like that. That'll be coming 1:44:28.360 --> 1:44:31.080 out on Spotify soon. I've turned to music in light 1:44:31.120 --> 1:44:33.120 of the strike. No, I guess this kid made the 1:44:33.160 --> 1:44:34.760 assistant principal cry too. 1:44:35.240 --> 1:44:36.919 He said, you don't care about children. 1:44:36.960 --> 1:44:40.519 You've done nothing here, like bullied the Like, get this kid, 1:44:40.680 --> 1:44:43.400 this kid's gonna be a cop, Like put him in now, 1:44:43.520 --> 1:44:45.400 let him be a cop now, Like, let's just get 1:44:45.400 --> 1:44:46.640 it going, start it. 1:44:47.280 --> 1:44:49.320 Do you have him a canine? Let's start. Wait. I 1:44:49.360 --> 1:44:49.840 don't want to. 1:44:49.840 --> 1:44:52.559 Give information, but they know how to be suing because 1:44:52.600 --> 1:44:56.320 the mom was a stenographer. Wow, took notes. Yeah, she 1:44:56.360 --> 1:45:00.000 took notes with those little fingers. So anyway, post more, 1:45:00.120 --> 1:45:03.960 I'm basically a tough episode. Obviously, we've talked a lot 1:45:03.960 --> 1:45:06.960 about domestic violence on this podcast. There's a lot of 1:45:07.000 --> 1:45:10.479 things going on that Megan Good is in it. I 1:45:10.479 --> 1:45:13.040 know we mentioned it in the episode, but it is 1:45:13.200 --> 1:45:16.920 like he recorded this episode and then the news came 1:45:16.960 --> 1:45:19.920 out that she was standing by Jonathan Majors in court 1:45:20.000 --> 1:45:23.679 for abuse, and it's like, how is this episode real 1:45:23.760 --> 1:45:24.479 and life real? 1:45:24.600 --> 1:45:27.360 Yeah, the timing is crazy. The timing is crazy. Let's 1:45:27.360 --> 1:45:28.840 move on to our what would Sister peg? 1:45:28.880 --> 1:45:28.960 Do? 1:45:29.080 --> 1:45:31.680 You guys know our weekly segment where we send you 1:45:31.840 --> 1:45:36.360 to a blog, magazine article made for TV movie an 1:45:36.439 --> 1:45:40.639 organization of charitable intentions to give you more information about 1:45:40.680 --> 1:45:42.559 something we talked about today. 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