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Speaker 1: Good evening, everybody, welcome to Overtime. Might be good evening,

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Speaker 1: might be good morning, might be good afternoon, depending on

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Speaker 1: when you are listening to this version of the Colts

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Speaker 1: Overtime podcast here on Colts dot Com and the Colts

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Speaker 1: Audio Network. I'm Matt Taylor. We're inside the Indiana Union

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Speaker 1: Construction Industry Radio studio with my broadcast partner, Rick vent Turrey,

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Speaker 1: and we are fresh off another night of about four

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Speaker 1: and a half five hours of radio coverage rounds two

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Speaker 1: and three on Day two of the NFL Draft, recapping

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Speaker 1: what the Colts did on Night two of the draft. Rick,

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Speaker 1: how you doing over there? You got some stamina left in?

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm ready to go, said, We're truly in

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Speaker 2: and overtime, and we've played two tough games, but I'm

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Speaker 2: ready to go. You know, when I first started in

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Speaker 2: this business, we started the draft at eight o'clock in

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Speaker 2: the morning. We went seventeen rounds just to never snatch it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't, I can't imagine.

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Speaker 2: You know about three days later you came out of

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Speaker 2: your cold.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's what we're trying to do right now, trying

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Speaker 1: to make sense of what the Colts did on Day

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Speaker 1: two of the draft. We know about round one Thursday night,

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson, fourth overall coming in here to play quarterback

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Speaker 1: out of Florida. Eventful night for the Colts. Four different

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Speaker 1: things happened, so we'll take him in order here. Rick First,

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Speaker 1: the Colts were scheduled to pick at the top of

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Speaker 1: the draft, or near the top of the draft in

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Speaker 1: round two, thirty five overall, which was the fourth pick

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Speaker 1: in the second round on Day two, but that did

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Speaker 1: not happen. The Colts traded out of that pick. The

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Speaker 1: Colts go from thirty five to thirty eight, so they

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Speaker 1: moved down initially three spots with the Las Vegas Raiders.

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Speaker 1: The Raiders jumped up and gave the Colts a fifth

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Speaker 1: round pick, pick number one forty one. The Colts ultimately

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Speaker 1: at this point are still hanging on to but they

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Speaker 1: weren't done yet in terms of trading. They go from

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Speaker 1: thirty eight to forty four and move back six spots

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Speaker 1: with the Falcons and pick up a four fourth round

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Speaker 1: go from thirty five to forty four in two trades,

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Speaker 1: moving back down the ladder in round number two, before

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Speaker 1: we get into the draft picks. The Colts made two

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Speaker 1: of them tonight in rounds two and three. We talked

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Speaker 1: about this on radio, but to rehash in this audience

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Speaker 1: on this podcast, what did you make of the idea

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Speaker 1: of the Colts moving back twice before picking ultimately at

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Speaker 1: forty four in the second round.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean history will judge that by you know,

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Speaker 2: the guys that you pass. You know, in my world,

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Speaker 2: I find it difficult to walk by good players. I

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Speaker 2: just have always believed that the further down you go,

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Speaker 2: position by position, and certainly round by round, the value

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Speaker 2: of the players over time. It's not my idea, it's

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Speaker 2: history goes down exponentially. So you know, obviously you're gonna

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Speaker 2: have a lot of forces and fifths. That doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: you can't really make them work, you know, but it's

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Speaker 2: the way it is, you know. I think in the end,

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Speaker 2: I think these were three players going back to last night,

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Speaker 2: that the Colts coveted. I really do. I think these

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Speaker 2: were guys that they really really liked. All three guys

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Speaker 2: in real need positions, and so as far as trading back,

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it really made that much difference.

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Speaker 2: I think these were guys that they really did have targeting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were part of that cluster of players that

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Speaker 1: they liked that they were willing to move back and

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Speaker 1: All right, let's start in order in terms of the

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Speaker 1: the first pick for the Colts night in round number two.

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Speaker 1: He's a cornerback out of Kansas State. He's a red

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, led Kansas State with four picks

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Speaker 1: What did you make of the Colts drafting him with

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Speaker 2: The familiarity is certainly good, and in Brents, you're getting

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Speaker 2: really a good football player on tape at a position

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Speaker 2: of dire need. Let's face it, we had to have

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Speaker 2: a corner. He is a long, long armed, high wing span,

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Speaker 2: And you can't underestimate that at the corner today with

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Speaker 2: The biggest thing is when you're a little bit speed

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Speaker 2: rationalize that, yeah, but it is what it is. So

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Speaker 2: and that's not a fatal flaw necessarily, if you take

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Speaker 1: Well, Julius Brince was the first cornerback off the board

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Speaker 1: Obviously the Colts prioritized him, they coveted him. He was

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Speaker 2: I had him in the mix, but you know, I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we told this story on radio tonight, but

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Speaker 1: football coach at Warren Central. Great guy, good dude. I've

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and you never minimize that. This is still a game,

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Speaker 2: you know of tackling and being physical and that he

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Speaker 1: So that was the Colts in the second round, drafting

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Speaker 1: Julius Brintz. In round three of the Colts go back

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Speaker 1: to the offensive side of the ball, rick they draft

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Speaker 1: Josh Downs, wide receiver out of North Carolina. Very good

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Speaker 1: But what do you like about Josh's downs potential as

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Speaker 2: Well, just like Richardson changes the dynamics of our offense,

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Speaker 2: he definitely revises what Colt football is going to look

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Speaker 2: haven't really played with a true slot. We've been in

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Speaker 2: haven't had that guy that is quick, that has great

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Speaker 2: catch to contact. And Josh is not the biggest guy

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Speaker 2: we certainly have a quarterback that can put the ball

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Speaker 2: You know, the Belichick slot has always been that guy

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Speaker 1: Well, when you draft a player, regardless of the position,

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Speaker 1: the Colts are trying to get more explosive, get some

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Speaker 1: more top end talent kind of fix the problems that

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Speaker 1: they've had the last couple of years in the passing game. Right,

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Speaker 1: they only scored fifteen points per game last year, routinely

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Speaker 1: under two hundred and fifty passing yards per game. But

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Speaker 1: with that the Colts and free agency, they were active

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Speaker 1: at that position, kind of like a similar player in

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Speaker 1: Isaiah McKenzie to come in and play the slot receiver.

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Speaker 1: So where does Downs kind of fit in the passing game,

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Speaker 1: in the pecking order at wide receiver with Isaiah McKenzie

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you like it is. McKenzie has the athleticism,

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Speaker 2: it was going to be an upgrade. But McKenzie has

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Speaker 2: really struggled with catching a football and with ball security.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's why he was out there, That's why

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Speaker 2: Downs as a guy that brings so much more to

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Speaker 2: can make the consistent catch, right, and he does have

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Speaker 1: So Anthony Richardson, Julius Brin and Josh downs Rick. So far,

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Speaker 1: I know, the Colts are still far from being done again.

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Speaker 1: As we're sitting here taping this right now, the Colts

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Speaker 2: But he brings a totally different offensive concept. As you

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Speaker 2: I hope they do. I hope they do. I hope

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Speaker 2: Now I defined a couple of things. Now, they're hard

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Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, that's Rick vent Turrey, my friend. Always a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: I know you're worn out. I can't thank enough for

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Speaker 1: Really really appreciate the insight. We're very lucky to have you.

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Speaker 2: Ah, thank you, Matt. I really enjoy every minute with you,

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Speaker 1: on this edition installment of Colts Overtime recapping Day two

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Speaker 1: of the NFL Draft. For the Colts. Round two it's

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Speaker 1: Julius Sprints, the local product War in Central Kansas State.

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Speaker 1: And Round three wide receiver Josh Downs out of North Carolina,

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Speaker 1: the newest additions to the Indianapolis Colts, and they're not

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Speaker 1: Day three of the draft, rounds four through seven. Tomorrow

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Speaker 1: gets going around noon Eastern time. We'll have press conferences

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Speaker 1: and we'll have another overtime podcast coming up tomorrow recapping

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Speaker 1: in totality the draft in specifically again what they do

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Speaker 1: on Day three for Rick Venturrey. I'm Matt Taylor. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening as always on Colts dot Com and the

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Speaker 1: Colts Audio Network. So long