WEBVTT - David Samson on Clase/Ortiz case, Manfred’s mole, Expos extinction

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<v Speaker 1>It's nothing personal. It's David Sampson joining us right now. David,

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<v Speaker 1>great to see you again. You can check out his show,

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<v Speaker 1>great logo behind him. I listen to it almost every day,

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<v Speaker 1>especially on the business front, sports biz, legal news, the

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<v Speaker 1>whole deal. So very timely to have you on today, David.

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<v Speaker 1>How you doing and your thoughts on the weekend explosion

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<v Speaker 1>of details related to Emmanuel Class and Luis Ortiz, who

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<v Speaker 1>likely will never be in Major League baseball again.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, good morning. I think it's more than likely. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's a guarantee they will never throw another pitch.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that Baseball is doing what they always do,

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<v Speaker 2>which is they're going to continue their investigation, but they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to wait and wait and wait to see what

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<v Speaker 2>happens with this indictment. And the lawyers for the two

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<v Speaker 2>players did not waste any time in ridiculous statements decrying

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<v Speaker 2>their innocence and that they love the game of baseball

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<v Speaker 2>and would never do anything to harm it. And my

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<v Speaker 2>view is that the reason I think they're finished when

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<v Speaker 2>the Feds when they put down an indictment. The way

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<v Speaker 2>it works is the US District, the Southern District, the

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<v Speaker 2>Eastern District, let's just say the prosecutors they don't like

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<v Speaker 2>indictments for cases they can't win, and so when they

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<v Speaker 2>allow for an indictment, it's because they've got stuff, and

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's the smoking gun or not, they have enough

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<v Speaker 2>to show beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury of

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<v Speaker 2>those men's peers that they did this. And so it's

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<v Speaker 2>not that they are guilty until proven innocent. They are

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<v Speaker 2>innocent until proven guilty. But all of these prosecutors keep

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<v Speaker 2>a scorecard, I promise you that, and they don't like losing.

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<v Speaker 3>So it is my understanding.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see how it plays out, but as far as

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<v Speaker 2>their baseball careers finished, and it really is too bad.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, I've seen billions. Okay, David, I've seen billions, so

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<v Speaker 4>I know how what's the name Paul gma Volvolo? He

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<v Speaker 4>handles the prosecutor the body. Yes, okay, they don't miss.

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<v Speaker 4>If if this gets public and they're arresting people, they

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<v Speaker 4>don't miss usually. So my question is is can they

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<v Speaker 4>plete this down? I know they're saying they're innocent, and

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<v Speaker 4>we're assuming they're innocent because you're innocent, do proven guilty,

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<v Speaker 4>but is there a way to plete this down? If

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<v Speaker 4>they have all this innocent, all this evidence against you

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<v Speaker 4>saying hey, you threw this bitch, and you threw this bitch,

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<v Speaker 4>and we have texts and we have calls, or do

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<v Speaker 4>they just say, you know what, We're gonna fight this

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<v Speaker 4>till the end.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh No, they'd much rather not have to go to

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<v Speaker 2>trial because it's a win when you if they're gonna plea,

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<v Speaker 2>you generally plead guilty, and it's a deal. You get

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<v Speaker 2>a deal, whether it's whatever time, if it's gonna be probation,

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<v Speaker 2>if it's going to be a year, if it's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be six months.

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<v Speaker 3>There was someone who wrote.

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<v Speaker 2>That it's possible to get sixty five years, because it's

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<v Speaker 2>true with all the counts. What you do is you

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<v Speaker 2>add up the maximum prison time for each count, and

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<v Speaker 2>they add up to sixty five years.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, i'll give it to you here, so you have

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<v Speaker 3>the scoop.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a guarantee they will not be in prison for

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<v Speaker 2>sixty five years each. There will be some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>even if they are convicted, when they're sentenced, it still

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<v Speaker 2>won't be sixty five years.

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<v Speaker 3>But you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>What the lawyers do is they meet with the prosecutors

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<v Speaker 2>and they talk about what kind of deal can be done,

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<v Speaker 2>because really there's incentive for both sides. It's very costly

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<v Speaker 2>for Class A and or ties to defend themselves in court,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's also costly for the people in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>time that it takes to go all the way up

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<v Speaker 2>through trial up to sentencing. So every case, actually both

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<v Speaker 2>sides generally are looking to do a deal.

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<v Speaker 5>Players past and present players are their visceral hate for

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<v Speaker 5>gambling in the game because the integrity that we lose,

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<v Speaker 5>integrity of the game. Do we need to change I'm

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<v Speaker 5>sure you remember the you know the rule, whether it

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<v Speaker 5>rule sixty one or whatever, it's read twenty one, twenty one,

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<v Speaker 5>thank you, it's red. In spring training, everybody reads it.

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<v Speaker 5>AJ and I always talk about this. Oh, we heard

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<v Speaker 5>it all the time, and it was something that kind

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<v Speaker 5>of just went through the motions. Does Major League Baseball

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<v Speaker 5>need to up their responsibility in making sure the players

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<v Speaker 5>understand this or is this just a one off? And

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<v Speaker 5>then the one last year with some minor leaguers was

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<v Speaker 5>a one off? Like do they need to do a

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<v Speaker 5>better job?

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<v Speaker 2>I think your point is a very interesting one. And

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<v Speaker 2>what I would say is when rule twenty one is

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<v Speaker 2>read to you. Here's what happens. Glazed dies doesn't apply

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<v Speaker 2>to me, don't care about it. And then we have

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<v Speaker 2>to read it in Spanish, no less, and then it's

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<v Speaker 2>really glazed eyes for the players who don't speak Spanish.

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<v Speaker 2>We all know right from wrong inside that clubhouse. The

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<v Speaker 2>rule is we have to read it because we want

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<v Speaker 2>the players never to say, oh, I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't do that to me. The fact that gambling

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<v Speaker 2>is legalized now and there are apps, and there are

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<v Speaker 2>partnerships that have accrued to the benefit of players because

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<v Speaker 2>teams have more money and salaries are going up, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>There is no excuse that your head is in the sand,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, oh, when you're doing something wrong. Class A

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<v Speaker 2>cannot say, oh, it's one pitch. I still love baseball.

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<v Speaker 2>I still want to win. What's the difference between a

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<v Speaker 2>ball and a strike. I'm just helping someone get a

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<v Speaker 2>couple grand The integrity the game happens when Class A

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<v Speaker 2>then loses money or someone pressures him into saying, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a pitch I'm interested in. It's the total. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not the total, it's the game score. It's who wins,

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<v Speaker 2>who loses. That's when you get into third rail integrity

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<v Speaker 2>type stuff. And so the hope is that players and

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<v Speaker 2>everyone involved in sports realizes that as a deterrent. When

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<v Speaker 2>you are punished for life, that ought to be enough

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you to stop doing this. But people continue

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<v Speaker 2>to be stupid, and so I don't know how that changes.

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<v Speaker 2>But I promise you guys, they're not going to take

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<v Speaker 2>away gambling. They're not going to make it illegal. The

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<v Speaker 2>apps aren't going to go away. That partnerships aren't going

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<v Speaker 2>to go away. There's too much money at stake.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, I gotta go here. I'm sorry, but I

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<v Speaker 4>watched the Expos documentary. Okay, I'm just gonna go here. David, listen.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not saying you killed the Expos, but I was

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<v Speaker 4>on the Twins at the same time, okay, and every

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<v Speaker 4>week I had to have go on a phone call about, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>contraction and the Expos. Did you know at the time

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<v Speaker 4>that you had a backdoor deal to get the Marlins,

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<v Speaker 4>because I was on a phone call every week saying, oh, man,

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<v Speaker 4>the Expos and the Twins are gonna get contracted. Da

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<v Speaker 4>da da da da. The owners don't really I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know if they don't want the team, but they were

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<v Speaker 4>just like, oh, you know, it's a better deal for

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<v Speaker 4>MLB if we lose two teams. So can you talk

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<v Speaker 4>about why I wasn't that talked about in the documentary

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<v Speaker 4>because contraction was a real thing and I was on

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<v Speaker 4>one of the teams that had to listen to that

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<v Speaker 4>bull crap every week.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, the final vote was twenty eight to

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<v Speaker 2>two in favor of contraction, and the two teams get

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<v Speaker 2>voted against it were your Twins and my expos.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>No, no, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Back then, the owner of your team was the richest

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<v Speaker 2>owner in all of baseball, Carl Polos. And still there

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<v Speaker 2>was no direct correlation to payroll because the team was

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<v Speaker 2>losing money, etc. But back then, my interest was in

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<v Speaker 2>protecting our space in the game. When I found out

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<v Speaker 2>the contraction and I thought it was real that they

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to go to twenty eight teams until I discovered

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<v Speaker 2>hold on. It's being used as leverage in a collective

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<v Speaker 2>bargaining negotiation. The players need to be told that, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you could lose fifty jobs here. It's really more than

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<v Speaker 2>fifty because of minor league systems, etc. But just start

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<v Speaker 2>at fifty. There's fifty jobs at stake. How do you

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<v Speaker 2>feel about that. We need to change the economics of

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<v Speaker 2>Baseball right now.

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<v Speaker 3>But after that vote was.

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<v Speaker 2>Taken, I stood up in an owner's meeting and I

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<v Speaker 2>read a statement saying, hey, no contraction.

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<v Speaker 3>We do not want to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Contracted, even though the vote said that contraction was going

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<v Speaker 2>to happen. And then at the time you may not

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<v Speaker 2>remember this, it wasn't the Red Sox. It was the

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<v Speaker 2>California Angels who were being sold. That was the third

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<v Speaker 2>team in the franchise swap. John Henry was going to

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<v Speaker 2>sell the Marlins to Jeffrey Lauria and buy the Angels

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<v Speaker 2>from the gene Autry family Trust. But he couldn't get

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<v Speaker 2>a deal done for the Angels, so he pivoted to

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<v Speaker 2>the Red Sox, who were for sale. Because it was

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<v Speaker 2>the Yackey Trust selling, and it was a whole auction

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<v Speaker 2>for the Red Sox, but it was fixed so that

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<v Speaker 2>John Henry would win that auction, get the Red Sox,

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<v Speaker 2>we'd get the Marlins, and Baseball would get the Expos

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<v Speaker 2>but not contract him, just move them to Washington three

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<v Speaker 2>years later. That's how that deal went down and why

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't cover in the documentary. I wasn't the director

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<v Speaker 2>of the producer. I was simply interviewed for it, but

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<v Speaker 2>there's a whole movie inside that franchise swap.

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<v Speaker 1>David, I've followed you for a long time. I will

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<v Speaker 1>say on the doc, my favorite line was when you

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<v Speaker 1>talked about the minority owners in the Expos and how

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't find money anywhere to help with the team,

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<v Speaker 1>yet they had lots of money for lawyers, lots of

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<v Speaker 1>money for lawyer lawyers. For me, that was eye opening

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<v Speaker 1>for real because I'm trying to really lunch site.

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<v Speaker 5>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a time for me when I was young,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, yeah, that is funny. They paid

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<v Speaker 1>millions of dollars for lawyers that they couldn't help their

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<v Speaker 1>own city and their franchise.

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<v Speaker 6>So thank you for that line. That definitely helped a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just remind the audience that when the Expos

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<v Speaker 2>were sold, the price was eighteen million Canadian dollars and

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<v Speaker 2>that sounds like a lot of money to ninety nine

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<v Speaker 2>point nine nine percent of the people, and I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>But to the people who were the limited partners of

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<v Speaker 2>the Expos, their wealth and their prominence and their view

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<v Speaker 2>of Montreal, I never would have been in the game.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey Lourian never would have been in the game because

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<v Speaker 2>the goal was to sell to a Canadian anybody who

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<v Speaker 2>could fog up a mirror, and there were a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people who could, and all they had to come

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<v Speaker 2>up with was eighteen million, and it was crickets.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about nobody.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how Jeffrey Laurie got the Expos because it was

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<v Speaker 2>the final, Final, Final. Nobody else wanted them. Side notes.

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<v Speaker 2>No one wanted the Martlins either. John Henry wanted out,

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<v Speaker 2>and we said, well, what do you got and Larry

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<v Speaker 2>Lakeino was sent to Florida buy Bud Sealid and Larry

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<v Speaker 2>Lekeno said, Hey, the Marlins can't make it in Miami.

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<v Speaker 2>No one can get a stadium done. Haizinga tried, Henry tried,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they came up to us and said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>do you want to upgrade from the Expos to the Marlins,

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<v Speaker 2>But it's not really an upgrade, and we said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll try it, and the rest is history.

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<v Speaker 4>The next thing, you know, David, you guys could have

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<v Speaker 4>owned the Yankees if you guys would have just kept

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<v Speaker 4>going down the line, down the line rightly. You guys

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<v Speaker 4>could have been Yankees or Dodgers owners. If you just

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<v Speaker 4>you guys gave up too quick. You put that statue

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<v Speaker 4>out there in left field, which I liked, and then

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<v Speaker 4>you guys gave up. But what I want to know

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<v Speaker 4>is cam Baseball work in Montreal? Because you know, you

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<v Speaker 4>watch this documentary. Everyone says, oh, we love the Expos.

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<v Speaker 4>There's this span Basis says, we love the Expos. But

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<v Speaker 4>can it work if they get a new stadium because expansion?

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<v Speaker 4>Rob Manford wants expansion, But is Montreal a viable alternative,

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<v Speaker 4>because I don't think that it is. After watching the

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<v Speaker 4>documentary and hearing the stories you've told, I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>that it's a viable option.

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<v Speaker 2>So first, you need a deep pocketed Quebuqua. You need

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<v Speaker 2>someone a French Canadian or anyone who lives in Montreal

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<v Speaker 2>to want to be the general partner, want to be

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<v Speaker 2>the owner of the team. Then you need a publicly

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<v Speaker 2>financed ballpark. And the reason you need that is Major

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<v Speaker 2>League Baseball wants to charge a really high expansion fee

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<v Speaker 2>to any ownership group who gets a team, And from

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<v Speaker 2>an ownership group standpoint, they don't care where the money goes.

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<v Speaker 2>If they're going to spend two billion dollars to get

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<v Speaker 2>a franchise. If one point six billion goes to Major

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<v Speaker 2>League Baseball and four hundred million goes to the stadium,

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<v Speaker 2>to them, it's still two billion dollars. But from baseball standpoint,

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<v Speaker 2>they want all two billion going into Baseball. And so

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<v Speaker 2>all of these expansion cities and they're going to keep

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<v Speaker 2>them all live until they're going to have a negotiation

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<v Speaker 2>against each other. It's going to be a bake off

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<v Speaker 2>one city against another. So you're never going to hear

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<v Speaker 2>Rob Manford say, oh, that city's been eliminated. No one's

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<v Speaker 2>going to get eliminated until a deal is done and

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<v Speaker 2>it's in the best interest of the owners to have

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<v Speaker 2>a fully funded stadium. Cad Montreal do that. To me,

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<v Speaker 2>it just seems unlikely because the government has never been

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<v Speaker 2>willing to do a public private partnership. But that to

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<v Speaker 2>me is the number one requirement. Well one a one

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<v Speaker 2>is to find an owner who's local. Two is to

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<v Speaker 2>have a fully funded ballpark.

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<v Speaker 1>for you, I want to get to Jim Murray, agent

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<v Speaker 1>who had dealings with MLB and a pretty explosive story

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<v Speaker 1>and your thoughts on how I mean he was essentially

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<v Speaker 1>a mole for MLB during their conversations during what was

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<v Speaker 1>like a mini CBA, basically to get baseball back in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm assuming you saw the story.

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<v Speaker 1>What are your thoughts and the MLBS, I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>people always talk back and forth. That seems like a

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<v Speaker 1>little more than just a friendly conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he just got caught, is what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>But during the course of negotiations and in between bargaining agreements,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a rule that owners aren't supposed to talk to

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<v Speaker 2>the press, owners aren't supposed to talk to players. We

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<v Speaker 2>were all talking to everyone always because you're trying to help,

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<v Speaker 2>you're trying to get information. I shocked that there was

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<v Speaker 2>a double agent, double entendre pun required and meant no,

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<v Speaker 2>not at all. There's people from both sides using the media.

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<v Speaker 2>There's people from both sides looking for ways through the

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<v Speaker 2>executive Council to speak to players, to get messages out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Scott Forres, is doing stuff all the time, trying to

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<v Speaker 2>make his presence felt, So all of that is very normal.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what the reason why you saw the hammer

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<v Speaker 2>fall so hard on Murray is they're entering into a

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<v Speaker 2>negotiation now and it is critical that Tony Clark and

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<v Speaker 2>Bruce Meyer look like they've got the ship contained because

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<v Speaker 2>there was a coup attempt and they were able to

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<v Speaker 2>withstand it. They're still in charge, but it's a huge

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<v Speaker 2>negotiation that's starting, so they want at least the appearance

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<v Speaker 2>of control. Same thing for the commission and the Commissioner's office.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna see owners much quieter now. You're gonna see

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<v Speaker 2>rules put into place, but you're gonna see backchanneling all

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<v Speaker 2>the time when you look at which owners are on

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<v Speaker 2>the negotiating committee and will actually be in the room

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<v Speaker 2>where it happens. They're chosen for a reason, their ability

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<v Speaker 2>to negotiate, their ability to communicate. It is a big

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<v Speaker 2>dance that goes on between management and players every time,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think you guys know that, and that dance

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<v Speaker 2>is starting right now.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, David, I'm gonna show you a video and

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<v Speaker 4>then we're gonna talk. Okay, So we're gonna run a

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<v Speaker 4>video here and then we're gonna have a conversation. So

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<v Speaker 4>we're gonna run this video.

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<v Speaker 2>I figured the union had to strategize how they'd respond,

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<v Speaker 2>and I must tell you I did not think that

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<v Speaker 2>their response would be Bruce Mayer going on foul territory now,

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<v Speaker 2>of course you know that Foul Territory is is a

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<v Speaker 2>show that is funded by the Union, and I love

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<v Speaker 2>Foul Territory. They're my friends, been on it, and I

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<v Speaker 2>want them on my show. But let's be clear, those

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<v Speaker 2>are players, and that is a Union show which is

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<v Speaker 2>totally important and needed, and their point of view is critical,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a popular show.

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<v Speaker 3>You had me at foul.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, two things. First of all, but trying to copy

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<v Speaker 4>my beard, but trying to copy my beard with the

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<v Speaker 4>gray in the bottom, Okay, like it, It's cool, I

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<v Speaker 4>get it. But the second thing is we are not

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<v Speaker 4>funded by the Players Association. So I want you to

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<v Speaker 4>understand that we are not funded at all. We are

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<v Speaker 4>in the middle, are we players and do we lean

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<v Speaker 4>towards players one hundred percent? But we are not funded

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<v Speaker 4>at all by the Players Association or have we ever been.

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<v Speaker 4>So I want to make that clear. And I appreciate

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<v Speaker 4>your show on this out. And I also appreciate the

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<v Speaker 4>fact that Bruce Meyer came on here because at least

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<v Speaker 4>he got to talk somewhere, because my biggest beef with

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<v Speaker 4>the Player Association. They never say anything, They never stand

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<v Speaker 4>up for what they need to stand up for it's

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<v Speaker 4>Rob Manford and his media conglomerate of boom boom. We're

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<v Speaker 4>gonna throw all this stuff out there in the player

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<v Speaker 4>associations like, oh, we can't talk about that. We can't

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<v Speaker 4>talk about that. At least Bruce Meyer came on here

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<v Speaker 4>and talked about something.

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<v Speaker 2>So ajay, let me first say that thank you, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wrong, so the funding that was a bridge too far.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the better way to have framed it is

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<v Speaker 2>the same way people view Nothing Personal is that, Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>he's carrying the water for the owners and for the commissioner.

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<v Speaker 2>I think if people were looking at our two shows,

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<v Speaker 2>the reason why they're both so important is that between

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<v Speaker 2>us we pretty much cover everything and want our audience,

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<v Speaker 2>and we respect our audience and want them to not

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<v Speaker 2>be led to a conclusion. We want them to be

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<v Speaker 2>led to an education. And I think that you guys

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<v Speaker 2>have done an amazing job of that, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing Personal does that as well.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, though, when.

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<v Speaker 2>Rob Manford is choosing what he does, just like when

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<v Speaker 2>Bruce Meyer is choosing what he does, those choices are

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<v Speaker 2>purposeful and and I don't blame him for choosing you.

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<v Speaker 2>He should choose you it's smart of him to have

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<v Speaker 2>chosen you, But can I get you to at least

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<v Speaker 2>degree that if you sent out an invite to the

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<v Speaker 2>commissioner to come on the show, or to Tony Clark

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<v Speaker 2>or Bruce Meyer to come on the show, that it's

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<v Speaker 2>more likely that you'll get people from the Players Association.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I'm just gonna say this, David. We've had Tony

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<v Speaker 4>Clark on, We've had Bruce Meyron. I have gone through

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<v Speaker 4>all the hoops to get Rob Manford on. I have

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<v Speaker 4>jumped through hoop after whop after whop, had zoom calls

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<v Speaker 4>with him, talked to Pack Cortney, talked to his secretary,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know what, they cancel at the last second.

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<v Speaker 4>I've text Rob Manford you don't respond. So the answer

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<v Speaker 4>to your question is yes, we've tried both. We tried

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<v Speaker 4>to have Rob Manford on. He canceled. Last time. It

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<v Speaker 4>was January of last year. I was in New York.

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<v Speaker 4>I was ready to go and I got a text

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<v Speaker 4>from Pac Cortney's saying, you know what, he's too busy. Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 4>then why the hell did I jump through? Who have

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<v Speaker 4>a zoom call? Have this call, this call, this call

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<v Speaker 4>this call to get to a point whereas Tony Clarks

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<v Speaker 4>has been on and Bruce Meyer f I techs Bruce

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<v Speaker 4>Myers right now. You might not come on, but at

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<v Speaker 4>least he'll give me someone that can talk about issues.

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<v Speaker 2>So ag I think it's going to be a little

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<v Speaker 2>different this negotiation. It would not shock me if you

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<v Speaker 2>get someone from the Commissioner's office. A, you have an

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<v Speaker 2>important show, and B you have an important audience. And

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<v Speaker 2>see you're cool, all of you guys. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>that the strategy for the Commissioner's side is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a little different this time. I think they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to want to get the word out because podcasts have

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<v Speaker 2>become and it wasn't always this way, and we've been going,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been going for six years. It's really changed. Think

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<v Speaker 2>about the way political candidates use podcasts now in a

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<v Speaker 2>way that they never did before. I think the world

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<v Speaker 2>has changed, and I think you have to be willing

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<v Speaker 2>to go on quote unquote both kinds of shows, both sides,

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<v Speaker 2>with players, with management.

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<v Speaker 3>So keep going.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're going to succeed during this bargaining sort

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<v Speaker 2>of time frame.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's good, then that's true. That's the point is

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<v Speaker 1>like we want people to know neutral. We talked about

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<v Speaker 1>players way and that whole story, just like you did

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<v Speaker 1>the other day, and that investigation that's going on right now.

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<v Speaker 6>We had Evandralic on. We literally said, hey, we've got

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<v Speaker 6>two stories.

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<v Speaker 1>One makes one side not look good, one makes the

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<v Speaker 1>other side not look good.

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<v Speaker 6>Let's get into it.

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<v Speaker 1>So we are trying our best to be as neutral

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<v Speaker 1>as possible on my part and the team behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 6>We can only ask which will continue to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, we would love to have you on, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>also not our obligation to not allow one side to

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<v Speaker 1>come on our show. If the other side doesn't come on,

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<v Speaker 1>both sides should come on our show and talk to us. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the invites have been out there, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>with you. We will definitely keep trying and there shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be anything to hide. And I give Rob credit. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he's done more interviews over the past couple of years.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea why he won't come on our show.

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<v Speaker 1>We definitely cover topics that they don't love, but he

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<v Speaker 1>went on barstool. They're not going to get this nitty

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<v Speaker 1>gritty on some of the stuff that we're asking. But

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, it would do a lot of good pr

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<v Speaker 1>if he came on here and actually went on a

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<v Speaker 1>place where he feels like you're going to get neutral

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<v Speaker 1>questions and not one sided questions, and listen.

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<v Speaker 3>Rob is good enough.

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<v Speaker 2>He's been around the block enough that anyone who you interview,

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<v Speaker 2>if they're good, they can bridge to whatever it is

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<v Speaker 2>they want to say. They can respond however they want

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<v Speaker 2>to respond to any question, even if it's not a

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<v Speaker 2>direct answer to your question. I think people in the

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<v Speaker 2>media have that experience. When I'm interviewed, if I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to, I never create a headline that I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know i'm creating. I always have my mouth behind my brain,

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<v Speaker 2>so I know what I'm saying. And so when you're

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<v Speaker 2>being interviewed, it's your choice what you're going to give,

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<v Speaker 2>what you're not going to give, what you're going to say.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think you're right. I think keep asking and

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to get them.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, and yeah, just again for clarification, they don't

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<v Speaker 1>neither side owns a penny. We're independent as how we

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<v Speaker 1>love it just like you because then we want.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah I had it wrong, and I don't remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that was last year. Whenever that was,

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<v Speaker 2>I had it wrong, and I'd use corrections. I'd make mistakes.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm live every day two hours. Boy do I make

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<v Speaker 2>mistakes and I try to correct them, and I get

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<v Speaker 2>a calls from people on both sides. I get plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of calls from ownership and plenty of calls from the

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<v Speaker 2>player's side and on the business side, and I'll make

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<v Speaker 2>the correction because, as you know, with the microphone, you

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<v Speaker 2>can't be right one hundred percent of the time.

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<v Speaker 3>It's impossible.

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<v Speaker 6>No, exactly same here.

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<v Speaker 1>I talk to people way more now than I did

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<v Speaker 1>when I did work for the league, agents, people calling hey,

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<v Speaker 1>can you clarify this whatever?

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<v Speaker 6>So anyway, all right, two more things to hit with you.

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<v Speaker 1>One is the Braves are the only team that we

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<v Speaker 1>really get a full fledged look at finances. So my

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<v Speaker 1>question for you, and I know you've talked about this

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<v Speaker 1>recently on your show, is every team trying to be

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<v Speaker 1>the Raids, the Braves or a little bit of both.

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<v Speaker 1>And it depends which kind of owner you are.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never met an owner in my eighteen years who

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<v Speaker 2>was writing himself dividend checks so he could fund a

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<v Speaker 2>vacation to Europe, or buy a painting or buy a yacht.

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<v Speaker 2>I just never saw it, and we saw the numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, the Union has the numbers too,

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<v Speaker 2>I should say, and you know that. So who would

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<v Speaker 2>I rather be? Rather be the team that has a

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<v Speaker 2>chance to win every year and that wins rings. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd rather do it at a profit, I'd rather do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think MLB is starting get ready. They're releasing the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that teams are getting crushed. They're losing money left

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<v Speaker 2>right and center, and so there's gonna be a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of this back and forth. So you're asking me what

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<v Speaker 2>I'd rather be. I'm not a five to one C three.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to make money and I want to win.

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<v Speaker 2>And I too many years I put winning at the

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<v Speaker 2>expense where I would sign players or bring players in

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<v Speaker 2>that would add to our losses, thinking we're one player away,

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<v Speaker 2>and every year but one it didn't work. And so

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<v Speaker 2>at the end, what would I prefer? I prefer to

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<v Speaker 2>win and make money. But maybe that's too much toask.

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<v Speaker 4>You're funny, David. You know what, you can't get the

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<v Speaker 4>owner out of you. I just can't get the owner

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<v Speaker 4>out of you losing money. Who's losing money the game.

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<v Speaker 4>All you hear is about the game is growing, and

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<v Speaker 4>their ratings are up, and this and that. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 4>you're such an owner, David, I love it.

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<v Speaker 6>Aj I love you too.

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<v Speaker 2>I love you too. But I'm talking about operationally. It

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<v Speaker 2>is true that no team has ever been sold at

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<v Speaker 2>a loss. It's also true that no team has ever

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<v Speaker 2>been sold where all of the money that was lost

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<v Speaker 2>year over year was not recouped by the person who's sold.

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<v Speaker 2>All of that is true, but it doesn't change the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that operationally the teams lose money. So we can

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<v Speaker 2>both be right, and I give this example to you

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<v Speaker 2>and your family. Your house may be worth more today

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<v Speaker 2>than it was when you bought it, but that increase

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<v Speaker 2>in value doesn't help pay your property taxes. You need

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<v Speaker 2>to have the cash from somewhere and baseball. Some owners

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<v Speaker 2>have a cash problem.

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<v Speaker 4>True because they don't know what they're doing, but that's

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<v Speaker 4>a whole we you don't have enough time. I got

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<v Speaker 4>a quick question for you. The Cleveland Browns lost their

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<v Speaker 4>GM to the Colorado Rockies. Paul deep Ajust No.

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<v Speaker 3>No, he's strategy officer.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, sorry, sorry, Like, what are we in Cleveland? Brown

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<v Speaker 4>lump fans cheered their asses off when they lost his guys,

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<v Speaker 4>Is this the right move for the Rockies?

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<v Speaker 3>Boy?

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<v Speaker 2>You know the Rockies. You both do on this call,

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<v Speaker 2>We all do on this call. They're a different kind

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<v Speaker 2>of organization from top to bottom.

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<v Speaker 3>And Paul D.

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<v Speaker 2>Podesta, he certainly was a shiny nickel once upon a time,

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<v Speaker 2>way before Jonah Hill played him on Moneyball. And the

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<v Speaker 2>question is does he have any sort of advantage anymore

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<v Speaker 2>because in the old days he did, but everyone's caught

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<v Speaker 2>up to him. Everyone's caught up to what was going on.

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<v Speaker 2>It's thirty teams doing it. And as you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>with the infield shift, when only one team's doing it,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really cool. When thirty teams do it, you lose

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<v Speaker 2>sort of the incremental advantage.

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<v Speaker 3>Paul D.

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<v Speaker 2>Podesta was not running the Browns the way he will

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<v Speaker 2>have to with the Rockies. And the question is, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean he's used to losing.

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<v Speaker 3>We know that.

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<v Speaker 2>The question is can he take the Rockies and work

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<v Speaker 2>with the Montforts, who never go outside their organization. This

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<v Speaker 2>is like the first time in decades that they're going

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<v Speaker 2>with someone outside the organization, and will that person Deepodesta

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<v Speaker 2>have the power to do something and who is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be around him to do it, because, as you

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<v Speaker 2>also know, it's not the president Baseball Operations, who's on

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<v Speaker 2>the front line doing the scouting, who's inside the analytics department,

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<v Speaker 2>they're just the decision maker on the top.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not really doing much.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's got to have an organization and the resources

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<v Speaker 2>to really do stuff and then be right. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's going to take some time, if at all.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I'm with you, I'm skeptical. I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm happy that it's at least somebody outside the organ

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<v Speaker 1>to be like this is a little bit dated, but

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see. We'll follow it and bring you back on

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about it. Great catch up, David. Good to

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<v Speaker 1>see you, and we'll catch you soon.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, thank you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate your your well wishes and everything else you've

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<v Speaker 2>done for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Have a great time.

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<v Speaker 4>By the way, David, I'm being South Florida soon, so

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<v Speaker 4>you feel free to buy me dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>I live in New York, but I'm in Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>AJ there you go.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you, David.