1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: It's nothing personal. It's David Sampson joining us right now. David, 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: great to see you again. You can check out his show, 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: great logo behind him. I listen to it almost every day, 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: especially on the business front, sports biz, legal news, the 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: whole deal. So very timely to have you on today, David. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: How you doing and your thoughts on the weekend explosion 7 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: of details related to Emmanuel Class and Luis Ortiz, who 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: likely will never be in Major League baseball again. 9 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: Oh, good morning. I think it's more than likely. I 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: think it's a guarantee they will never throw another pitch. 11 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 2: I think that Baseball is doing what they always do, 12 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: which is they're going to continue their investigation, but they're 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 2: going to wait and wait and wait to see what 14 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 2: happens with this indictment. And the lawyers for the two 15 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: players did not waste any time in ridiculous statements decrying 16 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: their innocence and that they love the game of baseball 17 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: and would never do anything to harm it. And my 18 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: view is that the reason I think they're finished when 19 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:02,959 Speaker 2: the Feds when they put down an indictment. The way 20 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 2: it works is the US District, the Southern District, the 21 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: Eastern District, let's just say the prosecutors they don't like 22 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 2: indictments for cases they can't win, and so when they 23 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 2: allow for an indictment, it's because they've got stuff, and 24 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: whether it's the smoking gun or not, they have enough 25 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 2: to show beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury of 26 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: those men's peers that they did this. And so it's 27 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 2: not that they are guilty until proven innocent. They are 28 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: innocent until proven guilty. But all of these prosecutors keep 29 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: a scorecard, I promise you that, and they don't like losing. 30 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 3: So it is my understanding. 31 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: We'll see how it plays out, but as far as 32 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 2: their baseball careers finished, and it really is too bad. 33 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 4: Hey, I've seen billions. Okay, David, I've seen billions, so 34 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 4: I know how what's the name Paul gma Volvolo? He 35 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 4: handles the prosecutor the body. Yes, okay, they don't miss. 36 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 4: If if this gets public and they're arresting people, they 37 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 4: don't miss usually. So my question is is can they 38 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 4: plete this down? I know they're saying they're innocent, and 39 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 4: we're assuming they're innocent because you're innocent, do proven guilty, 40 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 4: but is there a way to plete this down? If 41 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 4: they have all this innocent, all this evidence against you 42 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 4: saying hey, you threw this bitch, and you threw this bitch, 43 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 4: and we have texts and we have calls, or do 44 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 4: they just say, you know what, We're gonna fight this 45 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 4: till the end. 46 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 2: Oh No, they'd much rather not have to go to 47 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 2: trial because it's a win when you if they're gonna plea, 48 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: you generally plead guilty, and it's a deal. You get 49 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 2: a deal, whether it's whatever time, if it's gonna be probation, 50 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: if it's going to be a year, if it's gonna 51 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 2: be six months. 52 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 3: There was someone who wrote. 53 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: That it's possible to get sixty five years, because it's 54 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 2: true with all the counts. What you do is you 55 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: add up the maximum prison time for each count, and 56 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: they add up to sixty five years. 57 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 3: Well, i'll give it to you here, so you have 58 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 3: the scoop. 59 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 2: It's a guarantee they will not be in prison for 60 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: sixty five years each. There will be some sort of 61 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: even if they are convicted, when they're sentenced, it still 62 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: won't be sixty five years. 63 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 3: But you're right. 64 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: What the lawyers do is they meet with the prosecutors 65 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: and they talk about what kind of deal can be done, 66 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 2: because really there's incentive for both sides. It's very costly 67 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: for Class A and or ties to defend themselves in court, 68 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: and it's also costly for the people in terms of 69 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 2: time that it takes to go all the way up 70 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 2: through trial up to sentencing. So every case, actually both 71 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: sides generally are looking to do a deal. 72 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 5: Players past and present players are their visceral hate for 73 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 5: gambling in the game because the integrity that we lose, 74 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 5: integrity of the game. Do we need to change I'm 75 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 5: sure you remember the you know the rule, whether it 76 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 5: rule sixty one or whatever, it's read twenty one, twenty one, 77 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 5: thank you, it's red. In spring training, everybody reads it. 78 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 5: AJ and I always talk about this. Oh, we heard 79 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 5: it all the time, and it was something that kind 80 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 5: of just went through the motions. Does Major League Baseball 81 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 5: need to up their responsibility in making sure the players 82 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 5: understand this or is this just a one off? And 83 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 5: then the one last year with some minor leaguers was 84 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 5: a one off? Like do they need to do a 85 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:17,239 Speaker 5: better job? 86 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: I think your point is a very interesting one. And 87 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: what I would say is when rule twenty one is 88 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 2: read to you. Here's what happens. Glazed dies doesn't apply 89 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 2: to me, don't care about it. And then we have 90 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 2: to read it in Spanish, no less, and then it's 91 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: really glazed eyes for the players who don't speak Spanish. 92 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: We all know right from wrong inside that clubhouse. The 93 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 2: rule is we have to read it because we want 94 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 2: the players never to say, oh, I didn't know that. 95 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 2: I couldn't do that to me. The fact that gambling 96 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: is legalized now and there are apps, and there are 97 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: partnerships that have accrued to the benefit of players because 98 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,239 Speaker 2: teams have more money and salaries are going up, et cetera. 99 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 2: There is no excuse that your head is in the sand, 100 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 2: you know, oh, when you're doing something wrong. Class A 101 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: cannot say, oh, it's one pitch. I still love baseball. 102 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: I still want to win. What's the difference between a 103 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: ball and a strike. I'm just helping someone get a 104 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 2: couple grand The integrity the game happens when Class A 105 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 2: then loses money or someone pressures him into saying, it's 106 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: not a pitch I'm interested in. It's the total. It's 107 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 2: not the total, it's the game score. It's who wins, 108 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: who loses. That's when you get into third rail integrity 109 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: type stuff. And so the hope is that players and 110 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 2: everyone involved in sports realizes that as a deterrent. When 111 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 2: you are punished for life, that ought to be enough 112 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: to tell you to stop doing this. 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David, listen. 136 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 4: I'm not saying you killed the Expos, but I was 137 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 4: on the Twins at the same time, okay, and every 138 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 4: week I had to have go on a phone call about, oh, 139 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 4: contraction and the Expos. Did you know at the time 140 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 4: that you had a backdoor deal to get the Marlins, 141 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 4: because I was on a phone call every week saying, oh, man, 142 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 4: the Expos and the Twins are gonna get contracted. Da 143 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 4: da da da da. The owners don't really I don't 144 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 4: know if they don't want the team, but they were 145 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 4: just like, oh, you know, it's a better deal for 146 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 4: MLB if we lose two teams. So can you talk 147 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 4: about why I wasn't that talked about in the documentary 148 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 4: because contraction was a real thing and I was on 149 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 4: one of the teams that had to listen to that 150 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 4: bull crap every week. 151 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: Well, you know, the final vote was twenty eight to 152 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: two in favor of contraction, and the two teams get 153 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 2: voted against it were your Twins and my expos. 154 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 155 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 5: No, no, I mean. 156 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 2: Back then, the owner of your team was the richest 157 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 2: owner in all of baseball, Carl Polos. And still there 158 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: was no direct correlation to payroll because the team was 159 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: losing money, etc. But back then, my interest was in 160 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 2: protecting our space in the game. When I found out 161 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 2: the contraction and I thought it was real that they 162 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: wanted to go to twenty eight teams until I discovered 163 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: hold on. It's being used as leverage in a collective 164 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 2: bargaining negotiation. The players need to be told that, hey, 165 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: you could lose fifty jobs here. It's really more than 166 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: fifty because of minor league systems, etc. But just start 167 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: at fifty. There's fifty jobs at stake. How do you 168 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 2: feel about that. We need to change the economics of 169 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: Baseball right now. 170 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 3: But after that vote was. 171 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 2: Taken, I stood up in an owner's meeting and I 172 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 2: read a statement saying, hey, no contraction. 173 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 3: We do not want to be. 174 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 2: Contracted, even though the vote said that contraction was going 175 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 2: to happen. And then at the time you may not 176 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 2: remember this, it wasn't the Red Sox. It was the 177 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 2: California Angels who were being sold. That was the third 178 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: team in the franchise swap. John Henry was going to 179 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 2: sell the Marlins to Jeffrey Lauria and buy the Angels 180 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 2: from the gene Autry family Trust. But he couldn't get 181 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 2: a deal done for the Angels, so he pivoted to 182 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 2: the Red Sox, who were for sale. Because it was 183 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 2: the Yackey Trust selling, and it was a whole auction 184 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 2: for the Red Sox, but it was fixed so that 185 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: John Henry would win that auction, get the Red Sox, 186 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 2: we'd get the Marlins, and Baseball would get the Expos 187 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 2: but not contract him, just move them to Washington three 188 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 2: years later. That's how that deal went down and why 189 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: they didn't cover in the documentary. I wasn't the director 190 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: of the producer. I was simply interviewed for it, but 191 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: there's a whole movie inside that franchise swap. 192 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: David, I've followed you for a long time. I will 193 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: say on the doc, my favorite line was when you 194 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: talked about the minority owners in the Expos and how 195 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: they couldn't find money anywhere to help with the team, 196 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: yet they had lots of money for lawyers, lots of 197 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: money for lawyer lawyers. For me, that was eye opening 198 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: for real because I'm trying to really lunch site. 199 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 5: Man. 200 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: That was a time for me when I was young, 201 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, that is funny. They paid 202 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: millions of dollars for lawyers that they couldn't help their 203 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: own city and their franchise. 204 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 6: So thank you for that line. That definitely helped a lot. 205 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: Let me just remind the audience that when the Expos 206 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 2: were sold, the price was eighteen million Canadian dollars and 207 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: that sounds like a lot of money to ninety nine 208 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 2: point nine nine percent of the people, and I get it. 209 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 2: But to the people who were the limited partners of 210 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 2: the Expos, their wealth and their prominence and their view 211 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: of Montreal, I never would have been in the game. 212 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 2: Jeffrey Lourian never would have been in the game because 213 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 2: the goal was to sell to a Canadian anybody who 214 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 2: could fog up a mirror, and there were a lot 215 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 2: of people who could, and all they had to come 216 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 2: up with was eighteen million, and it was crickets. 217 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 3: I'm talking about nobody. 218 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: That's how Jeffrey Laurie got the Expos because it was 219 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 2: the final, Final, Final. Nobody else wanted them. Side notes. 220 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 2: No one wanted the Martlins either. John Henry wanted out, 221 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 2: and we said, well, what do you got and Larry 222 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 2: Lakeino was sent to Florida buy Bud Sealid and Larry 223 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 2: Lekeno said, Hey, the Marlins can't make it in Miami. 224 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 2: No one can get a stadium done. Haizinga tried, Henry tried, 225 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 2: and so they came up to us and said, hey, 226 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 2: do you want to upgrade from the Expos to the Marlins, 227 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: But it's not really an upgrade, and we said, well, 228 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 2: we'll try it, and the rest is history. 229 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 4: The next thing, you know, David, you guys could have 230 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 4: owned the Yankees if you guys would have just kept 231 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 4: going down the line, down the line rightly. You guys 232 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 4: could have been Yankees or Dodgers owners. If you just 233 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 4: you guys gave up too quick. You put that statue 234 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 4: out there in left field, which I liked, and then 235 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 4: you guys gave up. But what I want to know 236 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 4: is cam Baseball work in Montreal? Because you know, you 237 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 4: watch this documentary. Everyone says, oh, we love the Expos. 238 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 4: There's this span Basis says, we love the Expos. But 239 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 4: can it work if they get a new stadium because expansion? 240 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 4: Rob Manford wants expansion, But is Montreal a viable alternative, 241 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 4: because I don't think that it is. After watching the 242 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 4: documentary and hearing the stories you've told, I don't know 243 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 4: that it's a viable option. 244 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 2: So first, you need a deep pocketed Quebuqua. You need 245 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 2: someone a French Canadian or anyone who lives in Montreal 246 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 2: to want to be the general partner, want to be 247 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 2: the owner of the team. Then you need a publicly 248 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 2: financed ballpark. And the reason you need that is Major 249 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 2: League Baseball wants to charge a really high expansion fee 250 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: to any ownership group who gets a team, And from 251 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 2: an ownership group standpoint, they don't care where the money goes. 252 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 2: If they're going to spend two billion dollars to get 253 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 2: a franchise. If one point six billion goes to Major 254 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 2: League Baseball and four hundred million goes to the stadium, 255 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 2: to them, it's still two billion dollars. But from baseball standpoint, 256 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 2: they want all two billion going into Baseball. And so 257 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 2: all of these expansion cities and they're going to keep 258 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 2: them all live until they're going to have a negotiation 259 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 2: against each other. It's going to be a bake off 260 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 2: one city against another. So you're never going to hear 261 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 2: Rob Manford say, oh, that city's been eliminated. No one's 262 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 2: going to get eliminated until a deal is done and 263 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: it's in the best interest of the owners to have 264 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 2: a fully funded stadium. Cad Montreal do that. To me, 265 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 2: it just seems unlikely because the government has never been 266 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 2: willing to do a public private partnership. 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David, next up 291 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: for you, I want to get to Jim Murray, agent 292 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: who had dealings with MLB and a pretty explosive story 293 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: and your thoughts on how I mean he was essentially 294 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: a mole for MLB during their conversations during what was 295 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: like a mini CBA, basically to get baseball back in 296 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. 297 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 6: I'm assuming you saw the story. 298 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts and the MLBS, I was like, oh, 299 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: people always talk back and forth. That seems like a 300 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: little more than just a friendly conversation. 301 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 3: Well, he just got caught, is what happened. 302 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: But during the course of negotiations and in between bargaining agreements, 303 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 2: there's a rule that owners aren't supposed to talk to 304 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 2: the press, owners aren't supposed to talk to players. We 305 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 2: were all talking to everyone always because you're trying to help, 306 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 2: you're trying to get information. I shocked that there was 307 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: a double agent, double entendre pun required and meant no, 308 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: not at all. There's people from both sides using the media. 309 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 2: There's people from both sides looking for ways through the 310 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 2: executive Council to speak to players, to get messages out there. 311 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 2: Scott Forres, is doing stuff all the time, trying to 312 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 2: make his presence felt, So all of that is very normal. 313 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: I think what the reason why you saw the hammer 314 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 2: fall so hard on Murray is they're entering into a 315 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: negotiation now and it is critical that Tony Clark and 316 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: Bruce Meyer look like they've got the ship contained because 317 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 2: there was a coup attempt and they were able to 318 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 2: withstand it. They're still in charge, but it's a huge 319 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: negotiation that's starting, so they want at least the appearance 320 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 2: of control. Same thing for the commission and the Commissioner's office. 321 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 2: You're gonna see owners much quieter now. You're gonna see 322 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 2: rules put into place, but you're gonna see backchanneling all 323 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 2: the time when you look at which owners are on 324 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 2: the negotiating committee and will actually be in the room 325 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: where it happens. They're chosen for a reason, their ability 326 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 2: to negotiate, their ability to communicate. It is a big 327 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 2: dance that goes on between management and players every time, 328 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 2: and I think you guys know that, and that dance 329 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: is starting right now. 330 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 4: All right, David, I'm gonna show you a video and 331 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 4: then we're gonna talk. Okay, So we're gonna run a 332 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 4: video here and then we're gonna have a conversation. So 333 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 4: we're gonna run this video. 334 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: I figured the union had to strategize how they'd respond, 335 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: and I must tell you I did not think that 336 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 2: their response would be Bruce Mayer going on foul territory now, 337 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: of course you know that Foul Territory is is a 338 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 2: show that is funded by the Union, and I love 339 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 2: Foul Territory. They're my friends, been on it, and I 340 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: want them on my show. But let's be clear, those 341 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 2: are players, and that is a Union show which is 342 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 2: totally important and needed, and their point of view is critical, 343 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 2: and it's a popular show. 344 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 3: You had me at foul. 345 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 4: Okay, two things. First of all, but trying to copy 346 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 4: my beard, but trying to copy my beard with the 347 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 4: gray in the bottom, Okay, like it, It's cool, I 348 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 4: get it. But the second thing is we are not 349 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 4: funded by the Players Association. So I want you to 350 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 4: understand that we are not funded at all. We are 351 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 4: in the middle, are we players and do we lean 352 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 4: towards players one hundred percent? But we are not funded 353 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 4: at all by the Players Association or have we ever been. 354 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 4: So I want to make that clear. And I appreciate 355 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 4: your show on this out. And I also appreciate the 356 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 4: fact that Bruce Meyer came on here because at least 357 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 4: he got to talk somewhere, because my biggest beef with 358 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 4: the Player Association. They never say anything, They never stand 359 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 4: up for what they need to stand up for it's 360 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 4: Rob Manford and his media conglomerate of boom boom. We're 361 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 4: gonna throw all this stuff out there in the player 362 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 4: associations like, oh, we can't talk about that. We can't 363 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 4: talk about that. At least Bruce Meyer came on here 364 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 4: and talked about something. 365 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 2: So ajay, let me first say that thank you, and 366 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 2: I'm wrong, so the funding that was a bridge too far. 367 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 2: I think the better way to have framed it is 368 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 2: the same way people view Nothing Personal is that, Wow, 369 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 2: he's carrying the water for the owners and for the commissioner. 370 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 2: I think if people were looking at our two shows, 371 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 2: the reason why they're both so important is that between 372 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 2: us we pretty much cover everything and want our audience, 373 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 2: and we respect our audience and want them to not 374 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 2: be led to a conclusion. We want them to be 375 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 2: led to an education. And I think that you guys 376 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 2: have done an amazing job of that, and I think 377 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 2: Nothing Personal does that as well. 378 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 3: I think, though, when. 379 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 2: Rob Manford is choosing what he does, just like when 380 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 2: Bruce Meyer is choosing what he does, those choices are 381 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 2: purposeful and and I don't blame him for choosing you. 382 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 2: He should choose you it's smart of him to have 383 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 2: chosen you, But can I get you to at least 384 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 2: degree that if you sent out an invite to the 385 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 2: commissioner to come on the show, or to Tony Clark 386 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 2: or Bruce Meyer to come on the show, that it's 387 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 2: more likely that you'll get people from the Players Association. 388 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 4: Okay, I'm just gonna say this, David. We've had Tony 389 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 4: Clark on, We've had Bruce Meyron. I have gone through 390 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 4: all the hoops to get Rob Manford on. I have 391 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 4: jumped through hoop after whop after whop, had zoom calls 392 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 4: with him, talked to Pack Cortney, talked to his secretary, 393 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 4: and you know what, they cancel at the last second. 394 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 4: I've text Rob Manford you don't respond. So the answer 395 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 4: to your question is yes, we've tried both. We tried 396 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 4: to have Rob Manford on. He canceled. Last time. It 397 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 4: was January of last year. I was in New York. 398 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 4: I was ready to go and I got a text 399 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 4: from Pac Cortney's saying, you know what, he's too busy. Okay, well, 400 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,479 Speaker 4: then why the hell did I jump through? Who have 401 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 4: a zoom call? Have this call, this call, this call 402 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 4: this call to get to a point whereas Tony Clarks 403 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 4: has been on and Bruce Meyer f I techs Bruce 404 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 4: Myers right now. You might not come on, but at 405 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 4: least he'll give me someone that can talk about issues. 406 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 2: So ag I think it's going to be a little 407 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 2: different this negotiation. It would not shock me if you 408 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 2: get someone from the Commissioner's office. A, you have an 409 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 2: important show, and B you have an important audience. And 410 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: see you're cool, all of you guys. So I think 411 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 2: that the strategy for the Commissioner's side is going to 412 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 2: be a little different this time. I think they're going 413 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 2: to want to get the word out because podcasts have 414 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 2: become and it wasn't always this way, and we've been going, 415 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 2: I've been going for six years. It's really changed. Think 416 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 2: about the way political candidates use podcasts now in a 417 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 2: way that they never did before. I think the world 418 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 2: has changed, and I think you have to be willing 419 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 2: to go on quote unquote both kinds of shows, both sides, 420 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: with players, with management. 421 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:54,479 Speaker 3: So keep going. 422 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 2: I think you're going to succeed during this bargaining sort 423 00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 2: of time frame. 424 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: Yeah that's good, then that's true. That's the point is 425 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: like we want people to know neutral. We talked about 426 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: players way and that whole story, just like you did 427 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: the other day, and that investigation that's going on right now. 428 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 6: We had Evandralic on. We literally said, hey, we've got 429 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 6: two stories. 430 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: One makes one side not look good, one makes the 431 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: other side not look good. 432 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 6: Let's get into it. 433 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: So we are trying our best to be as neutral 434 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: as possible on my part and the team behind the scenes. 435 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 6: We can only ask which will continue to do. 436 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: Hey, we would love to have you on, but it's 437 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: also not our obligation to not allow one side to 438 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,719 Speaker 1: come on our show. If the other side doesn't come on, 439 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: both sides should come on our show and talk to us. Yeah, 440 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: I mean the invites have been out there, so I'm 441 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: with you. We will definitely keep trying and there shouldn't 442 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: be anything to hide. And I give Rob credit. I mean, 443 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: he's done more interviews over the past couple of years. 444 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: I have no idea why he won't come on our show. 445 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: We definitely cover topics that they don't love, but he 446 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: went on barstool. They're not going to get this nitty 447 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: gritty on some of the stuff that we're asking. But 448 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: I agree, it would do a lot of good pr 449 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: if he came on here and actually went on a 450 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: place where he feels like you're going to get neutral 451 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: questions and not one sided questions, and listen. 452 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 3: Rob is good enough. 453 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 2: He's been around the block enough that anyone who you interview, 454 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 2: if they're good, they can bridge to whatever it is 455 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 2: they want to say. They can respond however they want 456 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 2: to respond to any question, even if it's not a 457 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 2: direct answer to your question. I think people in the 458 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 2: media have that experience. When I'm interviewed, if I don't 459 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 2: want to, I never create a headline that I don't 460 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 2: know i'm creating. I always have my mouth behind my brain, 461 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 2: so I know what I'm saying. And so when you're 462 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 2: being interviewed, it's your choice what you're going to give, 463 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 2: what you're not going to give, what you're going to say. 464 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 3: So I think you're right. I think keep asking and 465 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 3: you're going to get them. 466 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: Thank you, and yeah, just again for clarification, they don't 467 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: neither side owns a penny. We're independent as how we 468 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 1: love it just like you because then we want. 469 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 2: Yeah I had it wrong, and I don't remember that. 470 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 2: I don't know if that was last year. Whenever that was, 471 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 2: I had it wrong, and I'd use corrections. I'd make mistakes. 472 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: I'm live every day two hours. Boy do I make 473 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 2: mistakes and I try to correct them, and I get 474 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 2: a calls from people on both sides. I get plenty 475 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 2: of calls from ownership and plenty of calls from the 476 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 2: player's side and on the business side, and I'll make 477 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 2: the correction because, as you know, with the microphone, you 478 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 2: can't be right one hundred percent of the time. 479 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 3: It's impossible. 480 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 6: No, exactly same here. 481 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: I talk to people way more now than I did 482 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: when I did work for the league, agents, people calling hey, 483 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: can you clarify this whatever? 484 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 6: So anyway, all right, two more things to hit with you. 485 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: One is the Braves are the only team that we 486 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: really get a full fledged look at finances. So my 487 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: question for you, and I know you've talked about this 488 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: recently on your show, is every team trying to be 489 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: the Raids, the Braves or a little bit of both. 490 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: And it depends which kind of owner you are. 491 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 2: I've never met an owner in my eighteen years who 492 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 2: was writing himself dividend checks so he could fund a 493 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 2: vacation to Europe, or buy a painting or buy a yacht. 494 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 2: I just never saw it, and we saw the numbers. 495 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 2: And by the way, the Union has the numbers too, 496 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 2: I should say, and you know that. So who would 497 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 2: I rather be? Rather be the team that has a 498 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 2: chance to win every year and that wins rings. Now, 499 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,479 Speaker 2: I'd rather do it at a profit, I'd rather do it. 500 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 2: I think MLB is starting get ready. They're releasing the 501 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 2: fact that teams are getting crushed. They're losing money left 502 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 2: right and center, and so there's gonna be a lot 503 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 2: of this back and forth. So you're asking me what 504 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 2: I'd rather be. I'm not a five to one C three. 505 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 2: I want to make money and I want to win. 506 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 2: And I too many years I put winning at the 507 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 2: expense where I would sign players or bring players in 508 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: that would add to our losses, thinking we're one player away, 509 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 2: and every year but one it didn't work. And so 510 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 2: at the end, what would I prefer? I prefer to 511 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 2: win and make money. But maybe that's too much toask. 512 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 4: You're funny, David. You know what, you can't get the 513 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 4: owner out of you. I just can't get the owner 514 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 4: out of you losing money. Who's losing money the game. 515 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 4: All you hear is about the game is growing, and 516 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 4: their ratings are up, and this and that. Yeah, so 517 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 4: you're such an owner, David, I love it. 518 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 6: Aj I love you too. 519 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 2: I love you too. But I'm talking about operationally. It 520 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 2: is true that no team has ever been sold at 521 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 2: a loss. It's also true that no team has ever 522 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 2: been sold where all of the money that was lost 523 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 2: year over year was not recouped by the person who's sold. 524 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 2: All of that is true, but it doesn't change the 525 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 2: fact that operationally the teams lose money. So we can 526 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 2: both be right, and I give this example to you 527 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 2: and your family. Your house may be worth more today 528 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 2: than it was when you bought it, but that increase 529 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 2: in value doesn't help pay your property taxes. You need 530 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 2: to have the cash from somewhere and baseball. Some owners 531 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 2: have a cash problem. 532 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 4: True because they don't know what they're doing, but that's 533 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 4: a whole we you don't have enough time. I got 534 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 4: a quick question for you. The Cleveland Browns lost their 535 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 4: GM to the Colorado Rockies. Paul deep Ajust No. 536 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 3: No, he's strategy officer. 537 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 4: Yes, sorry, sorry, Like, what are we in Cleveland? Brown 538 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 4: lump fans cheered their asses off when they lost his guys, 539 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 4: Is this the right move for the Rockies? 540 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 3: Boy? 541 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 2: You know the Rockies. You both do on this call, 542 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 2: We all do on this call. They're a different kind 543 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: of organization from top to bottom. 544 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 3: And Paul D. 545 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 2: Podesta, he certainly was a shiny nickel once upon a time, 546 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 2: way before Jonah Hill played him on Moneyball. And the 547 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 2: question is does he have any sort of advantage anymore 548 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 2: because in the old days he did, but everyone's caught 549 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 2: up to him. Everyone's caught up to what was going on. 550 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 2: It's thirty teams doing it. And as you know, like 551 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 2: with the infield shift, when only one team's doing it, 552 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 2: it's really cool. When thirty teams do it, you lose 553 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 2: sort of the incremental advantage. 554 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 3: Paul D. 555 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 2: Podesta was not running the Browns the way he will 556 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 2: have to with the Rockies. And the question is, I 557 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 2: mean he's used to losing. 558 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:48,479 Speaker 3: We know that. 559 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 2: The question is can he take the Rockies and work 560 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 2: with the Montforts, who never go outside their organization. This 561 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 2: is like the first time in decades that they're going 562 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 2: with someone outside the organization, and will that person Deepodesta 563 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 2: have the power to do something and who is going 564 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 2: to be around him to do it, because, as you 565 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 2: also know, it's not the president Baseball Operations, who's on 566 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 2: the front line doing the scouting, who's inside the analytics department, 567 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 2: they're just the decision maker on the top. 568 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 3: They're not really doing much. 569 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 2: So he's got to have an organization and the resources 570 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 2: to really do stuff and then be right. And I 571 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 2: think that's going to take some time, if at all. 572 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm with you, I'm skeptical. I agree. 573 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: I'm happy that it's at least somebody outside the organ 574 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: to be like this is a little bit dated, but 575 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: we'll see. We'll follow it and bring you back on 576 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: to talk about it. Great catch up, David. Good to 577 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 1: see you, and we'll catch you soon. 578 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 3: Okay, thank you guys. 579 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 2: I appreciate your your well wishes and everything else you've 580 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 2: done for me. 581 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 3: Have a great time. 582 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 4: By the way, David, I'm being South Florida soon, so 583 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 4: you feel free to buy me dinner. 584 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 2: I live in New York, but I'm in Thank you. 585 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 2: AJ there you go. 586 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 6: Thank you, David.