1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a beautiful young mom, Nikki 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: Chang missing, but now a smoking gun cracks the case 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: of the missing mom wide open. Good evening, I Meansie Grace, 4 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. I want to thank you for 5 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: being with us. Mom's Chevy is found abandoned on a 6 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: remote country road. Nicki's case is a homicide investigation. 7 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: There are several assaults on Niki. 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: A brutal assault on Niki prior to her disappearing, prior 9 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: to her Chevy being found abandoned on a remote country road. 10 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 3: She thought she was going to die. 11 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: Where is Niki? 12 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 3: Where is missing Mom? 13 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: Nikki? She's absolutely gorgeous and this is where the whole 14 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: thing started. 15 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 4: Listen Wednesday night, around eight thirty, Nikki Sale McCain is 16 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 4: in our bedroom combing her hair. Her husband of thirteen years, 17 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 4: Tyler McCain, arrives home in a strange mood for no 18 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 4: apparent reason. Tyler McCain aggressively jumps on top of Niki, 19 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,279 Speaker 4: holding her on the ground, then dragging her around, yelling 20 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 4: what are you doing? 21 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: Nicky? 22 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 4: Says Tyler McCain's eyes are glazed over. Nick tries calming 23 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 4: her husband, but it doesn't work, and he holds her 24 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 4: down and begins hitting her in the face. The terror 25 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 4: escalates over a three hour period, with McCain binding Nicki's 26 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 4: wrists and ankles together with tape, putting tape over her 27 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,559 Speaker 4: mouth so she couldn't speak properly, rolling his wife onto 28 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 4: her stomach. Tyler McCain sits on her back, pulling her 29 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 4: hair back, forcefully pulling her head back, and telling her 30 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 4: he's going to kill her. 31 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: And it gets worse. The terror she endured in that 32 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: one episode was just part of years and years of horrific, 33 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: horrific domestic abuse. Can you imagine that being bound at 34 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: wrists and ankles with tape, tape over your mouth so 35 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: you can't speak, you can barely? 36 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 3: And there's more. 37 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: Listen. 38 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 4: After three hours of Tyler McCain allegedly beating his wife, 39 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 4: the mother of his four children, hitting her about the 40 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 4: face and head, blackening her eyes, pulling out her hair, 41 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 4: and taping her mouth shut, he leaves her alone and 42 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 4: goes into the kitchen. Getting herself loose from the bindings. 43 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 4: Nicki Sale McCain grabs a rope with her car keys, 44 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 4: runs outside and gets in her car. Tyler McCain chases 45 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 4: Nikki out of the house and jumps onto the hood 46 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 4: of the car, telling her to stop. Ignoring his demands, 47 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 4: Nicki flees to the safety of her sister's home. In reading, the. 48 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: Only reason we know details of that episode is because 49 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: she actually went to the hospital that time, and it 50 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: was documented how many hundreds of other episodes of violent 51 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: domestic abuse occurred before Nicki mysteriously disappears. In the last days, 52 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: A so called smoking gun cracks this case wide open, 53 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: straight out to special guests joining us. I call them 54 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: the Nicky Sisters. It's Kay four and Chloe Sally. Nicki's 55 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: both of them, Nikki's sister. 56 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 3: Kay. 57 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: Do you remember when you first heard about that particular 58 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: domestic violence episode. 59 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: I do you remember? It was the first time she 60 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: had gone to the police, gone to the hospital, so 61 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: we finally had a record of the abuse. Obviously, that 62 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 2: was a horrible, horrible instant for her, but we at 63 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: least knew that this was officially being recorded and she's 64 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 2: making a report, so we were hopeful that it would 65 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: be the stuff for more help. 66 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: You know, Kay, you and Chloe look so much like Niki. 67 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: Do People tell you that they do they do. That 68 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: must be very unnerving to sometimes look in the mirror. 69 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: Every once in a while, I catch myself as I'm 70 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: walking by a glass plate and I think of my father. 71 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: I looked just like my dad. That must be very 72 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: unnerving for you guys to look in the mirror and 73 00:03:55,880 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: see basically an image of Niki. Chloe also joining us 74 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: in addition to Kay on what is a very momentous 75 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: evening because a so called smoking gun has cried this 76 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: case finally wide open. But Chloe, do you recall when 77 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: you first learned the details of that particular violent episode. 78 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 5: When I first learned about that episode, my heart was broken. 79 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 6: It was I just. 80 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 5: Couldn't believe it, because how could someone that loves another 81 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 5: person do that to someone that they love? 82 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: You know, Chloe, was this the first time you learned 83 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: about those beatings or did you know about it before? 84 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 5: I think that I had a suspicion. Nicky never came 85 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 5: out for about the dose that was happening, But I 86 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 5: think that was the first one that she actually came 87 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 5: forward with and she came to me about it. 88 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: Well, here is the thing to friends. Borghart Franz is 89 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: a criminal defense attorney or now criminal defense attorney, founder 90 00:04:53,880 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: of Borgkhart's law firm, former prosecutor and professor Louisiana State University. Franz, 91 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us at Franz. While we 92 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: can all sit back and say, well, obviously we know 93 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: he did it, he's the one responsible for her disappearance, 94 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: it's not that easy. There's this little thing called proof, 95 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: called evidence in a court of law. We know he 96 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: violently abused her, the mother of his children, for a 97 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: really long time, and then she mysteriously disappears, But that's 98 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: not enough to take it to court, is it. 99 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 7: Franz, You're absolutely right. The first thing is the state 100 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 7: has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that there was 101 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 7: a murder, that there was in fact a murderer, which 102 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 7: they can do. We call it corpus blecti. They can 103 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 7: do that, but in the absence of having a body, 104 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 7: in the absence of having a body, we lack certain evidence. 105 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 7: We lack a murder weapon, we lack the means of 106 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 7: the actual murder, and that is problematic for the state 107 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 7: and presents fantastic defenses to this accused individual. I'm sure 108 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 7: there is argument for motive. He was being prosecuted for 109 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 7: domestic violence. But I don't think that that's enough. And 110 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 7: on top of all that, they've got to get the 111 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 7: other crimes evidence into the instant homicide case. They probably 112 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 7: will be able to do that, Nancy, but they still 113 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 7: have to litigate that to establish that they can bring 114 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 7: out this other past, these past incidents for the purposes 115 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 7: of murder, for the purposes of opportunity, for the purposes 116 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 7: of knowledge and intent, to even get that into the 117 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 7: murder trial. So it's not necessarily okay for the state. 118 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 8: Franz. 119 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: You know what, blah blah blah. What you're saying is 120 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: the state has to jump a hurdle in order to 121 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: get a similar transaction into evidence. So what I've brought 122 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: in a million similar. 123 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 3: Transaction pieces of evidence. It's not hard. 124 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: You have to show that the case in chief is 125 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: similar to a prior incident, so that the prior incident, 126 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: in this case, a violent beating, tends to prove the 127 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: case in chief. I can't bring in a shot lifting 128 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: or an armed robbery or carjacking in this case. I 129 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: have to bring in something similar and connectod in time 130 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: to my case in chief, which I submit is murder. 131 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: That said little Man Franz. You're absolutely correct, there has 132 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: to be an evidentiary hearing. But you started off talking 133 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: about a no body case. Another newsflash. Okay, a lot 134 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: of no body cases have been tried and one, here's 135 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: the recent one, the case of a young mom of 136 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: two little boys, Anna Walsh. 137 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 4: Listen after his wife, Anna Walsh vanishes. Brian Walsh is 138 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 4: buying cleaning products, large tarps, buckets with lids, and splash 139 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 4: resistant goggles. He also makes trips to six dumpsters in 140 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 4: five days, so police install GPS tracking devices on vehicles 141 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 4: used by Walsh and his mother. As the investigation heats up, 142 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 4: a fire burns through a home that Anna Walsh, her husband, 143 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,559 Speaker 4: and three boys moved out of the previous year. Police 144 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 4: Chief William quickly says the fire is highly strange. They 145 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 4: will get to the bottom of it. The chief says 146 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 4: the department is doing a full ground search for any 147 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 4: clues Danna Walsh's whereabouts? 148 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: Okay, of course, Anna Walsh's. The body not been found, 149 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: but guess what. They're heading to trial right now. After 150 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: all of his Google searches for things like how long 151 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: does it take for a dead body to start smelling? 152 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: Really and then of course there's Kelsey Bareth. What an 153 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: incredible woman, a beautiful young woman, the mother of a 154 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: one year old little girl. She had her pilot's license 155 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 1: and she was raising her little girl all by herself 156 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: when bam she goes missing. Wow, I wonder who did that? 157 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: Her fiance The body was never found, so a no 158 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: body case. As Franz at Boardcart aptly described, it can 159 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: go to trial. Is it hard, Yes, of course it's hard. 160 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: Isn't it impossible? No, it is not impossible. Back to 161 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: Kate Ford, this is Nikki Chang's sister along with Chloe Salely. Okay, 162 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: even though you guys suspected there had been violent abuse 163 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: in the past, when did you realize this was different. 164 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: You hadn't heard from Nicki, You couldn't get in touch 165 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: with Nicki, and Nicki never came back. 166 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 2: I think leading up to and kind of talked about. 167 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 2: We knew after the domestic violence incident, the one that 168 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: she went to the hospital for made a report. She 169 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 2: was adamant about leaving Tyler and taking care of herself. 170 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: Leading up to her disappearance. She it's almost like she 171 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 2: changed a little bit. She she seemed forgiving almost she 172 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 2: seemed she kind of let us know that she felt 173 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: sorry for Tyler and she didn't want him to get 174 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 2: in trouble. 175 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: So wheared Wait, why White, you said, NICKI felt sorry 176 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: for Tyler, her tormentor as she forgave him. 177 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 3: I don't think she heaven. 178 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: Okay, that leads me to something very important, because that's 179 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: how I think she got taken. 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In addition to trying violent felonies in Intercedi, 184 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: Atlanta at Night, I worked as a volunteer at the 185 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: batter Women's Center, and I dealt with so many women 186 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 1: that wanted to hold their family together, and they would 187 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: let the attacker, the husband, the partner, the man back 188 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: in for the sake of the children, so the children 189 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: would have a father figure. And the next thing you know, 190 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,119 Speaker 1: they turn up missing or dead or in the hospital. 191 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: What leads women to forgive or relent on the attacker. 192 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 9: I think of domestic abuse as a crisis of boundaries. 193 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 9: In other words, the victim, Often a woman feels that 194 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 9: the husband's impulsivity, aggression, rage, pathological jealousy, envy is her fault. 195 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 9: That's the crisis of boundary. She feels that she is 196 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 9: causing the man's suffering. Therefore it is up to her 197 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 9: to fix it. So when the man becomes out of 198 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 9: control or enraged or batters, she thinks, what did I do? 199 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 9: She blames herself, and then she becomes overly concerned about 200 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 9: the perpetrator's feelings and then Nancy, I'm sorry, you. 201 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: Really lost me at it's her fault because here's Nikki 202 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: Chang in the hospital she's had her which is a 203 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: whole other psychiatric or psychological issue, where he taped her 204 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: mouth so she couldn't speak, he didn't want to hear her, 205 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: bound her hands and fate beat her, sat on her, 206 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: and it goes on all the ways he tortured her, 207 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: and she thinks, that's her fault. You just said that 208 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: I've got you on take that is not a revault. 209 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 9: Imagine Nancy, your husband stalks you, texts you, calls you, incessantly, 210 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 9: tries to alienate you from your friends. And he does 211 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 9: it so many hundreds and thousands of times over the 212 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 9: course of years that you actually begin to believe him, 213 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 9: and you think you've done something wrong, and you start 214 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 9: to cower, and you start to change all of your behaviors. 215 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 9: Then he isolates you from your finances. You have no 216 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 9: way to even make a purchase without it pinking his 217 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 9: cell phone. So then he picks up the phone and 218 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 9: asks you what you've bought. All of a sudden, you 219 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 9: don't have food on the table for your children. You 220 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 9: don't have a paycheck, so you have no way to 221 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 9: get your own apartment or have your own independence. 222 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: You're trapped. 223 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 9: You're mentally trapped, psychologically trapped. You're like a little fly 224 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 9: in a big web, and you cannot get away. These 225 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 9: women do not want to be abused. No victim wants 226 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 9: to be abused. If your listeners don't remember anything else 227 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 9: about this show, remember that they are drawn in interaction 228 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 9: by interaction, slowly over the course of years until they 229 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 9: cannot get away. 230 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: In the last days, based on a so called smoking gun, 231 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: there has been a major break and the case. 232 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 10: Listen detectives also further concluded that Nicky's husband, Tyler Scott McCain, 233 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 10: is responsible for Nicki's death and disappearance. Detectives recently obtained 234 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 10: a murder arrest warrant for Tyler McCain, and today at 235 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 10: about ten fifteen am, Tyler McCain was arrested. He was 236 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 10: ultimately booked in the Shafts County Jail with no bail 237 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 10: for the murder of Nicki. Today, where we ultimately have 238 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 10: an arrest of a murder suspect and a bodyless case. 239 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 10: If you will, These cases are layered, meticulous, require months 240 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 10: of investigation, hundreds and hundreds of personnel hours, not just 241 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 10: from investigators, but from law enforcement boots on the ground, 242 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 10: from support services, from forensic evidence, all across the board. 243 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 10: It is very labor intensive and it is crucial that 244 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 10: all that evidence is collected, preserved, and processed accordingly to 245 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 10: make the case. 246 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: Where is missing Mom Nicki? 247 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 5: We haven't heard from her, and that wasn't very likely 248 00:13:59,480 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 5: of heard. 249 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: Sisters realized immediately something is wrong when Nikki is not 250 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 1: responding as she normally would have to text messages. 251 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 2: She was bound and beatened and that he tried to 252 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 2: drown her, but he was too tired, so that's why 253 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 2: he poured the water on her face. 254 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: Tried to drown her. Guys in the last days, an 255 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: amazing breakthrough in the search for Nicki Chang. No, we 256 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: have not found her, We have not found her body yet, 257 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: but there has been an arrest. And as Franz Borghart, 258 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: a veteran trial lawyer and professor, says, well, it's a 259 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: nobody case. Well that may be true, that may be true. 260 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: The same thing was said about Suzanne more Few. Does 261 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: anybody remember Suzanne more Few? To Dave mac joining me 262 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: Crime Stories investigative reporter, Remember when we all went out 263 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: to Salida and searched and worked and worked that case 264 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: trying to find out what happened to the mom of 265 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: To Suzanne Morphew, there was an arrest of the husband 266 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: and the whole thing was dropped and lo and behold, years 267 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: past and her body is found dumped in basically a 268 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: burial ground out in the middle of nowhere. Dave Matt 269 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: remember that it didn't stay a nobody case forever, Dave. 270 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 11: It didn't And Nancy, when they found those bones, they 271 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 11: were actually looking for someone else. It was one of 272 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 11: the most amazing things that ever happened. And once they 273 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 11: got those bones, they. 274 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 12: Were able to determine so many different things about what 275 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 12: happened to Suzanne Morphew, because those bones had not been 276 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 12: sitting out to the elements the entire time we were 277 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 12: all looking for her. 278 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: Oh, Dave Matt, I'm so glad you said that. So 279 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: Franz Borghart's I'm giving him a hard time, But he's 280 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: actually a veteran criminal defense attorney. He is a former prosecutor. 281 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: He's a professor Louisiana State University. Franz Borghart goes on 282 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: and on about a no body case as if it's 283 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: never happened before. Brians Gibbons joining me, director of Operations 284 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: USPA Nationwide Security, who leads a team of investigators trying 285 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: to find missing people and unsolved Thomas sides Brian in 286 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: the Susanne Morphew case. When the body, well, it was 287 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: just bones by the time her remains were found out 288 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: in this wasteland area. They could actually tell, as Dave 289 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: mac just said, that she hadn't been there for the 290 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: entire time since she was killed, because they could tell 291 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: by the way the condition of the bones. They could 292 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: also tell by getting bone marrow that she had been 293 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: shot with a very powerful animal sedative, a tranquilizer, and 294 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: only as I recall, correct me if I'm wrong, Dave 295 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: mac only two people in the state had it and 296 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: one was guests who Barry Morphew her husband. And let 297 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: me just point out, Brian before you take off that 298 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: in the home they found one of the tranquilizer dart caps. 299 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: Really he washed it with the sheets. I mean that 300 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: said no body cases can be tried, but can we 301 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: talk about how much better it would be if we 302 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: could find her remains? And how are we going to 303 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: do that? Brian? 304 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 8: Yeah, certainly, Nancy, and listen, there's been approximately seven hundred 305 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 8: no body homicide cases in the last twenty five years, 306 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 8: and they have a really high conviction rate. Is the 307 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 8: thing we need to remember. It's twenty twenty five. There 308 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 8: have been crazy advances in forensic technology, all right. The 309 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 8: resources at play in Nicky's case, you have the FBI, 310 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 8: Department of Homeland Security, Shasta County Sheriff's Office collaborating with 311 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 8: those organizations. So they're going to have tremendous evidence to 312 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 8: bear in front of a jury. 313 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: Back to Kay and Chloe. First, to you, Kay, I 314 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: want you to listen to this. 315 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 6: Under the laws of the state, of California. We're not 316 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 6: required to have a person's body in order to charge murder. 317 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: That's what we. 318 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 6: Call a nobody homicide case. That is what we filed. 319 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 6: And I'm sure many of you are asking, No, we've 320 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,959 Speaker 6: never filed that type of case in Shasta County before. 321 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 6: But we are going to work very hard on this case. 322 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 6: And to me, despite not finding her body, we have 323 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 6: been provided with overwhelming evidence to prove that not only 324 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 6: is Nikki dead, but that Tyler McCain is responsible for 325 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 6: her murder. 326 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 3: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Okay, what went. 327 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: Through your mind when you found out Tyler McCain has 328 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: finally been arrested. Now, first of all, before you tell 329 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: me that, can you please tell everybody about how he's 330 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: got the girlfriends Like I'm slung up in his house. 331 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 2: We've seen many posts about potential girlfriends at the house 332 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 2: that Scott speaks pretty loudly to. You know, you're not 333 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 2: expecting your wife back. 334 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 5: You know. 335 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me of Scott Peterson, kay, because 336 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: Lacey's body had not been found yet, her pregnant body, 337 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: and he had already tried to Oh there he is 338 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: in all of his splendor and glory. He had already 339 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: tried to sell the house where she lived. They lived together, 340 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 1: expecting their first child. He tried to sell her car 341 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: and ordered the porn channel immediately turned the baby's room 342 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: into a storage room. So obviously he did not expect 343 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: her to walk through the front door. Why because he 344 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: knew she was dead? Why because he killed her? Now, 345 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: if you can recall Kay or Chloe, how quickly after 346 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: NICKI goes missing, your sister, your lookalike sister, did he 347 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: move the first missed thing into their house? 348 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 5: It was within I think like a week, two weeks. 349 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 9: I just remember. 350 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 5: There was a lot of chatter online and a lot 351 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 5: of people. 352 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: Actually, I'm sorry, wait, I think my earplug I have 353 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: be must not be working. Did you say a week? 354 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: One week? 355 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? 356 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 5: Continue And there were pictures of a female at his 357 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 5: home as well too, so that just confirmed the story 358 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 5: even more, you. 359 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: Know, to you, Chloe, how did you guys find out 360 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: that Nikki had only been missing a week before? He 361 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: moved a girl, a girlfriend and not the girlfriend, but 362 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: a girlfriend. There's been a long parade of them. 363 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 5: Sorry, as did you say, how did you find out? 364 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 3: Yes? 365 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was posted online on. There was a few 366 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 5: Justice for Nikki pages up on Facebook and it was 367 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 5: posted online and then there were also pictures as well too. 368 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: Wait are you telling me he posted photos of the 369 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: other woman on the Justice for Nicki pate. 370 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 5: There were people who would drive by Tyler's house just 371 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 5: to kind of see what was going on, and they 372 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 5: were seeing the same female that was outside of his 373 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 5: home with Tyler, and then someone from the girl. Her 374 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 5: family members were also concerned because they've also found out 375 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 5: that their sister had been staying at Tyler's home, and 376 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 5: so that's kind of how we found out also as well, 377 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 5: to confirm the story even. 378 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: More, Lauren Colin joining me investigative reporter, star of Pop 379 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: Crime TV on YouTube, Lauren Conlin, of course, I'm sure 380 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: when I go back to him, Franz Borghart is going 381 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: to say that means nothing. That doesn't prove he's a 382 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: mergerer just because he's a cheater. What do you know 383 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: about all the girlfriends? 384 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 13: Well, the community has really rallied around helping Nicky and 385 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 13: being there for Chloe and Kay and the children. So 386 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 13: I saw these pictures in the Facebook group and I 387 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 13: was shocked. But Nancy, I want to point out that, 388 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 13: you know, you mentioned this case started out as a 389 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 13: missing person's case, but it wasn't until March of twenty 390 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 13: twenty five that it was actually deemed a homicide case. 391 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: And that is. 392 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 13: When they actually were able to serve a search warrant 393 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 13: to Tyler and searched Tyler and Nikki's home in Anderson, California. 394 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 13: And you know, we still don't know what they found 395 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 13: in that search. It is still very unclear, but we 396 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 13: know at that point they deemed Nikki a victim of 397 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 13: a homicide. 398 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 10: Based on the evidence gathered, information learned from interviews, and 399 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 10: the fact that no one in Nicky's family has seen 400 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 10: or heard from Niki since her disappearance, the detectives has 401 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 10: determined that Nikki is a victim of homicide. 402 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 3: A young mom, Nikki Chaine, is still missing. 403 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: She was faking horribly. Her mouth was covered in tape, 404 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: cold water was poured on her. 405 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 2: She thought that was going to be the end, that 406 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 2: was going to be the time he did it, and 407 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: she was scared, scared to death. 408 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: She was scared for her life. 409 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,719 Speaker 2: And she did state that the next time, if it 410 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 2: were to ever happen again, could be could. 411 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: Be it Nicki missing, believed dead in the last days, 412 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: finally and arrest. What is a smoking gun? We think 413 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: we know? Listen? 414 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 6: Counts ten through twelve are for very violations occurring. On 415 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 6: April first of this year, after Nicki had been reported 416 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 6: missing for almost an entire year, McCain was observed throwing 417 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 6: items out of his vehicle and when he was pulled 418 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 6: over on his possession was a burnt California driver's license 419 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 6: for Nicki McCain. 420 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: So isn't it correct, Dave matt One of the last 421 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: times we know Nicki Chang was alive, she was driving 422 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: her truck which was found in a very obscure area abandoned. 423 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 3: She was driving the truck right correct. 424 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: She was actually driving her mother in law and presumably 425 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: with her driver's license right. 426 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 4: That would be correct. 427 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: So explain to me, Lauren Colin, how husband Tyler McCain 428 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: is busted throwing out her burned driver's license, which we 429 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: believe was on her the last time she was seen alive. 430 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: Tell me how that happened. 431 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 13: Yes, he was pulled over in April of twenty twenty 432 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 13: five after he was seen kind of unable to stay 433 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 13: in the correct lanes and then as the report mentioned, 434 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 13: he was seen growing various things out the window, and 435 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 13: detectives located his wallet, and inside his wallet was Nicky's 436 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 13: California driver's license, which investigators said had partial burn damage 437 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 13: to it. And Nancy, remember in July of twenty twenty four, 438 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 13: a fire spread across Tyler and Nicky's property of almost 439 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 13: ninety eight acres. 440 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: You're seeing shots and video of the fire right now, 441 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: Lauren Conlin. How does the fire fit into everything? So 442 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: he is burning evidence and got out of control. 443 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 13: I mean, we don't know that for sure, Nancy, but 444 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 13: I think that many of us surmise that this is 445 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 13: the case here and again with Nicky's body not being 446 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 13: located yet. You know, my head also goes that way. 447 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 13: But you know you mentioned Scott Peterson in March of 448 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 13: twenty twenty five. You know they had eyes on on Tyler. 449 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 13: They brought him in to this press conference where they 450 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 13: made him speak again, just like Scott Peterson, and it 451 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 13: is so uncomfortable to watch. In my opinion, Nancy, Tyler 452 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 13: appears to be uncomfortable himself. He says things like I'm 453 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 13: just here in support. He actually even says I'm sorry 454 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 13: and I just you know, I can't imagine what was 455 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 13: going through Chloe and Caveshead at that time. But again, 456 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 13: I want to give props to law enforcement who have 457 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 13: worked so diligently over the last year to get this arrest. 458 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: Speaking of that awkward press conference, you're absolutely right, Lauren Colin. 459 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: Let's take a look at Tyler McCain blathering I'm. 460 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 11: Trying to. 461 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 14: Nikki kan the first office, w I forget involved any 462 00:25:55,359 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 14: efforts that are health by my phone. We miss you. 463 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 14: I really know what say. I haven't been in the 464 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 14: other guys. I've been done very well with it. Apologize everyone, 465 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 14: especially my children, my wife's pie as well. I'm just 466 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 14: seringer part. So anything that I can do, I. 467 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 12: Want to do that. 468 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: Straight Back to veterman trial lawyer, former prosecutor, now defense 469 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: attorney Franz Borghart, I guess you always tell your clients 470 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: keep your pie hole shut, because he's there saying, uh, 471 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: we miss you. 472 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 3: Like somebody had to pinch him to say it. 473 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: I can't wait till they play that for the jury. 474 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: What about it, Franz. 475 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 7: It really makes my life easier when they keep their 476 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 7: mouth shut. And you know what the funny thing is, Nancy. 477 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 7: Had he been quiet like a morning hauntsband. I think 478 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 7: people understood that, But that statement not good for his defense. 479 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's talking, Franz about how much he misses NICKI. 480 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: I guess he and his girlfriend were really missing her 481 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: a lot. 482 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 7: Franz, Well, you got to prove that that's his girlfriend. 483 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 7: A social media post in twenty twenty five of somebody 484 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 7: with you is not necessarily a relationship. So we're gonna 485 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 7: have to give him a little bit of reasonable doubt 486 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 7: on that. 487 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: Oh, nothing can make me happier than to put miss 488 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: Thing up on the stand and cross examine her about 489 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: when she started having sex with Tyler McCain. What was 490 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: it the night Nicky went missing? I can't wait to 491 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: do that. Thank you. That's an excellent idea. Franz to 492 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 1: Kay and Chloe, question which one of you were standing 493 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: directly by him during that press conference? 494 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 2: That was me? Kay? 495 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: How did that feel? Did you just want to give 496 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: him a little finger necklace? 497 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 2: I actually wanted to encourage him to speak more. I 498 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 2: knew he had more to say, and I tried to 499 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 2: make tact and be supportive to see if he would 500 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 2: speak more. But yes, deep down it was I'm just 501 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 2: very difficult. 502 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: I'm curious, Chloe, what was going through your mind at 503 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: the time he was talking about how much he missed Nikki. 504 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 5: I was expecting a little bit more from him, just 505 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 5: kind of like what Kay was saying, trying to encourage 506 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 5: him to say more. I actually didn't know what to 507 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 5: expect when he was speaking. But the whole time I 508 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 5: was like, what, that's all you could have said. You 509 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 5: couldn't say like I love her so much, I wish 510 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 5: she was home. I just wish he would express something 511 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 5: more like a husband who was really missing their wife. 512 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 5: But I got the company opposite. 513 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: But you know, he shacked up with other women and 514 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: not just one, so anything he said about missing her 515 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: would have been a big, fat lie, Chloe, And that's true. 516 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 5: I think it just showed exactly what type of person 517 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 5: he was and showed how little he cared for NICKI. 518 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: Well, I guess that's the perfect segue for Franz Borghart 519 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: to talk about how this is not a miss congeniality 520 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: contest where we don't have to like him, we just 521 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: have to find out if there's evidence to convict him. 522 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: But his whole spiel about please bring Nikki hum reminds 523 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: me of somebody else, somebody named Chris Watts. 524 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 7: I want my family back like I want them safe, 525 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 7: and I want them here like this house is not 526 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 7: the same. 527 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: I want everybody back. 528 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 2: That's why everybody. 529 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 12: I need everybody back here and everybody's safe. 530 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: From our friends. Sat KAUSA crime stories with Nancy Grace. 531 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, Brian Fitzgibbons, how many times have 532 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: you seen the perp trying to make themselves cry? Making 533 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: a tearful play? Now? I got to give it to 534 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: Susan Smith. She actually did drum up some tears when 535 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: she begged for the return of her two boys that 536 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: she killed. So, Brian, what do you make? And I'm 537 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: glad Lauren Colin brought it up. I was talking about 538 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: the burned driver's license of Nicky's found in his wallet 539 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: and he trying to get rid of it. There was 540 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: that fire on his property and it was chalked up 541 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: to a catalytic converter. Wow, okay. So his wife goes missing, 542 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: the wife that he has been terrorizing, binding, putting duct 543 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: tape over her mouth, beating her, trying to drown her. 544 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 3: She goes missing. 545 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: Suddenly a fire breaks out and now we have her 546 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: partially burned driver's license. But for s Gibbons, first, his 547 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: plea for Nicky's return. 548 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 8: Really perplexing Nancy in the hubrisk for him to get 549 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 8: in front of a camera is shocking, right. And you 550 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 8: know when we're talking about these fires and their fires plural, right, 551 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 8: we have the one at the Olinda Road residents, but 552 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 8: there are other fires at properties associated with McCain that 553 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 8: I think we're going to see come out and trial 554 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 8: maybe connected to this case. 555 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't bode well for finding her remains if 556 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: he is a firebug, because you know, Brian, I probably 557 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: need a shrink doctor Bethany to explain this. In her jargon, 558 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: you always see a perr falling back on that with 559 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: which they are familiar. Here's Scott Peterson, perfect example. He 560 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: likes to fish, So where did he dispose of Lacy 561 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: and Connor's bodies one of his fishing holes? Right, this 562 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: guy is a firebug. He's connected, as Brian fus Gibbons 563 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: pointed out to several Arsons, several burning incidents. 564 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 3: Let me rephrase. 565 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: That makes me think, when you don't know a horse, 566 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: look at his track record, that's probably what he did. 567 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: With Nicky's body. 568 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 9: And wasn't Chris Watts associated with the oil industry if 569 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 9: I recall correctly, and that's where he secreted his best 570 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 9: daughter's bodies. 571 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: Similar not just associated, it's not just associated, You're dead 572 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: on again. He took his wife, Shenan's body and the 573 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: daughters of his two little girls, Bella and Celeste, and 574 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: put Bella and Celeste in oil drums and buried Nikki 575 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: there on the Anadarko oil fields in a shallow grape 576 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: where she had coffin post mortem, she gave birth to 577 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: baby Nico there would have been their first son. You're right, 578 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: another good example, doctor Bethany. 579 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 9: I'd be curious about what the children saw, what's the 580 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 9: new girlfriend experiencing? What did the extended family see? This 581 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 9: is a firebug, and this is a rage aholic who's 582 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 9: just going to keep doing it again and again. I 583 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 9: think can tell he's behind bars. 584 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: To Nikki's sister, Chloe. Chloe, how many children did NICKI 585 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: have with McCain? 586 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 5: Tyler and Nikki have four children together, so. 587 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: Now they don't have a mom. I'm just thinking about 588 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: the genesis, how her disappearance and death occurred. We don't 589 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: know all the answers, but we do believe we have 590 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: a motive that McCain murdered his wife, Nikki, the mother 591 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: of four, to stop her from testifying against him in 592 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: that horrible domestic violence episode. 593 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 6: It is our belief that Tyler McCain murdered his wife, 594 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 6: Nicki mckein prevent her from testifying in the domestic violence case. 595 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 6: This enhancement elevates the murder charge from a sentence of 596 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 6: twenty five to life to life without the possibility of parole. 597 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 6: Had we gone forward with the domestic violence case in 598 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 6: twenty twenty four, we would not have been able to 599 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 6: prove that case without her testimony without also having to 600 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 6: prove that McCain caused her disappearance. Count nine charges forgery 601 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,719 Speaker 6: occurring May twenty ninth, again after Nicki went missing. Around 602 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 6: May eighteenth, shortly after Nicki was reported missing. This forgery 603 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 6: charge results out of a forge signature on a joint 604 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 6: tax return check that we believe that Tyler McCain forged 605 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 6: her signature to cash that check. 606 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: Oh my stars, according to prosecutors, he killed her and 607 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: then forced her name to get the tax return. Chloe 608 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: Sally and Kay Ford with us the Nicki sisters who 609 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: have been fighting for justice for Nicki since day one? 610 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: To Kay, do you believe and have you been led 611 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: to believe that her remains will be found? 612 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 2: I feel confident with the evidence that the detectives have 613 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 2: collected and also the I do have confidence in our community. 614 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 2: Although I don't believe her body is known at this point, 615 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 2: I do feel good about people coming forward. We have 616 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 2: already even receiving a lot more tips as of Tyler's arrest, 617 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 2: and yeah, I do think that we're going to recover 618 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 2: her body. 619 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: I'm very curious about this smoking gun that was the 620 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: final straw and led to the arrest of Tyler McCain 621 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: and what prosecutors say is the murder of Nikki Chang. 622 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: I'm curious, Doctor Bethany Marshall, could you explain why he 623 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,720 Speaker 1: would have kept Nicki's driver's license in his wallet. 624 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 9: I don't think it's that deep or mysterious. I think 625 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 9: he needed her ID so he could continue to take 626 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 9: advantage of her financially. He's already forging a signature on 627 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 9: a tax return, all right. I think we'll find more love, fraud, loves, swindling, 628 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 9: financial mouthfeasons. I think We'll find that he had many 629 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 9: reasons to have her gone, that this was not just 630 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 9: an outcropping of domestic violence that went too far, That 631 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 9: he already had other girlfriends that he probably stood to 632 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 9: gain financially in some way. He needed her out of 633 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 9: the way. So what better way to take advantage of 634 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 9: somebody who's already gone than to hold on to all 635 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 9: their identification. I think he found to find a million 636 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 9: uses for that driver's license, Nancy, because obviously if it's burned, 637 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 9: he was in the process of incinerating something and then 638 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 9: he went in and retrieved it. So why would he 639 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:39,839 Speaker 9: retrieve it if he didn't want to use it in 640 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 9: some way? 641 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 7: You know? 642 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons, I think that there is more to it, 643 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: because I'm saying, investigated, prosecuted so many cases where killers 644 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: keep mementos of their victims, and I've always found it 645 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: curious for them. It's like I would keep ticket stubs 646 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: or photos or programs of when the toy had an 647 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 1: honor event or that means something to me, and to 648 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: just look at it, you may not even know what 649 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: it is, but I would know what it is. I 650 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 1: think it's not just to use her id for practical purposes. 651 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: He had it with all of his other pictures and 652 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: things he kept in his wallet. He kept that. He 653 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: kept that after exercising complete and total control over her, 654 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: binding her hands and feet, putting duct tape over her mouth, 655 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: beating her, or trying to drown her, and even after 656 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: he killed her, according to prosecutors, he kept that so 657 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: he could see it every day. 658 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 8: Yeah, that was a really shocking development, Nancy. And it 659 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 8: goes against you know, one of the things that Tyler 660 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,320 Speaker 8: had told Nicki's family early on is that she had 661 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,399 Speaker 8: left on her own volition. Okay, so you know, when 662 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 8: we take those pieces of information together, why would she 663 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 8: leave without her driver's license? And then why would he 664 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 8: keep it and not advise Shasta County sheriffs that he 665 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 8: had it and that she didn't have it in her possession. 666 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 1: Lauren Collin joining us Pop Crime TV. I still don't 667 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 1: get why these women are attracted to Tyler McCain. I 668 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,720 Speaker 1: don't get it. I'll look at him, I say, the devil. 669 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 1: What's special about him? 670 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 3: What does he have other than his wife's house? 671 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 13: Now, I'm with you, I mean without knowing the guy, 672 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 13: I don't know, Nancy, is it the bad boy thing. 673 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 13: I have no idea. I can't even speculate on that. 674 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 13: But one other thing I want to point out. I 675 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 13: thought Brian made some really great points. But prosecutors also 676 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:33,800 Speaker 13: described an overwhelming odor of decomposition coming from the bed 677 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 13: of Nicky's truck where they found a sheet and it 678 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 13: had Nicky's blood on it. 679 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: You heard the Nicky sisters stating that since Tyler McCain's arrest, 680 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: more tips are coming in. There is currently a thirty 681 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 1: thousand dollar reward still in place for information regarding Nicky's 682 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: remains thirty thousand dollars. If you know or think you 683 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: know anything but the location of Nikki or her remains, 684 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 1: please dial five three zero two four five six' five 685 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 1: four zero repeat five three zero two four five six' five. 686 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: Four zero it ain't. Over yet while we wait for justice, 687 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 1: two unfold we Remember an, American Hero Detective anthony stanley 688 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: or Is to CREETE. P, d texas killed in the line, 689 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: of duty leaving behind Grieving daughters Kristen. And shelby American 690 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: Hero Detective Anthony Stanley nancy gray signing off Goodbye for 691 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:36,240 Speaker 1: ald