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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm Dli he is Matt Williamson, and we

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Speaker 1: are live from the Steelers O T A session. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Mike Cammlan had just had his players all around him

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Speaker 1: out there for the scrum there at the end of practice,

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Speaker 1: and they are now walking off the field. So O

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Speaker 1: t A session And the number nine is in the books.

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Speaker 1: The Steelers made it through without any uh major injuries. Right,

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Speaker 1: A big deal.

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Speaker 2: There's a success overall from what I saw. Yeah, good experience.

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Speaker 1: You gotta like, uh, you know again, drama free exactly exactly.

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Speaker 2: Oh, why isn't this guy here holdouts or hold ins

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Speaker 2: or any of that kind of nonsense injuries or Klesey

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Speaker 2: returning from injury, you know things.

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Speaker 1: Who's to be the starting quarterback? You know we don't

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Speaker 1: have it. There's none of those questions. I mean, you're okay,

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Speaker 1: who's gonna who's gonna win the starting left tackle job?

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Speaker 1: Who's gonna But you've got guys again, you've got an

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Speaker 1: incumbent there, there's several good your starter from last year's back.

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Speaker 1: If he's not the starter, that means Proderc Jones was better.

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Speaker 1: So you've improved. This position looks like a disaster.

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Speaker 2: They better scan the waiver wire like I don't see that,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: So that's not the case for the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: No, they're in a good place right now as it

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Speaker 2: sits here early June, you know, so it's good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the spirits are up.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you see a lot of excited young men.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so what did we learn here?

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Speaker 2: Matt Lesson? People want us to tell him? I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean I thought Pickett really looked like

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Speaker 2: he belonged and is in charge, and that was something

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Speaker 2: I wanted to see from him, and threw the ball

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Speaker 2: well and all those good things. They got a lot

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Speaker 2: of skill position talent. They got a lot of offensive

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Speaker 2: line capable players, you know, which is different than last

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Speaker 2: year as well. I'm excited about the D line. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: I feel like I didn't see hardly any defense. I

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Speaker 2: mean just because on the other side of the field.

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Speaker 2: But it is just because our responsibilities. I saw a

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Speaker 2: lot of running backs, a lot of offensive line stuff,

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Speaker 2: tight ends, but it didn't see as much defense as

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Speaker 2: I wanted. So that's a tough one for me. But

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Speaker 2: I'm I don't know, I'm intrigued and I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: That's what kills me when when people say this guy

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Speaker 1: or that guy's winning at job here, you're not winning anybody.

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Speaker 2: Right right right now, you're just impressing coaches, passing, checking

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Speaker 2: some boxes, second boxes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, can you take things from the field to the classroom.

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Speaker 1: The classroom to the field. They have to tell you, you know,

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Speaker 1: to do something a certain way multiple times. This is

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Speaker 1: all about. This is more about the coaching staff learning.

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Speaker 1: How these guys learn. That's a good way to put it.

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Speaker 2: Because I was sitting there thinking, like I'm sure all

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Speaker 2: across the league linebacker coach goes back and he's sitting

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Speaker 2: there in the coach's locker room and they're, you know,

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Speaker 2: getting ready to go home or whatever, and he's talking

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Speaker 2: to the defensive coordinator, Like I had to tell that

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Speaker 2: dude the same thing seven times in a row. If

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Speaker 2: that's going to happen on Sunday in Cincinnati, we got

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Speaker 2: a problem.

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Speaker 1: We had. We had to run that play three times

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Speaker 1: because he screwed it up the first two. The first

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Speaker 1: two times he did.

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Speaker 2: Nobody cares you screwed up once, Yeah, you know, right,

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Speaker 2: But it's like I keep doing this and over, like.

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Speaker 1: We don't do it multiple like every time we try

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Speaker 1: to run a play, this guy screws up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I can't put you out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you won't be out there. And if you're not

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Speaker 1: going to be out there, unless you're a high draft pick,

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Speaker 2: Here right right right. I mean, but those are the

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Speaker 2: type of things they're learning, like, boy, this better, would

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Speaker 2: be it better next week, but certainly in camp, you know,

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Speaker 2: like this can't keep up or man I told him

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Speaker 2: once he got it, and then he told the guy

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's yeah, you know, we went over this

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Speaker 1: in the classroom and he went out and boom nailed it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and not only did he do it right, but

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Speaker 2: he aligned the rookie up next to him that didn't

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Speaker 2: definitely things learned. Like I didn't didn't mean to brush

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Speaker 2: it off like we didn't learn anything here, but we didn't.

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Speaker 2: I didn't learn as much, but there was the team

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Speaker 2: got better. All thirty teams got thirty two teams got

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Speaker 2: better in OTAs, but mostly behind the scenes, you know

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and if anybody got worse, it was because something

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or boy, we were count on this guy and

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Speaker 2: now I don't know, we might have to go sign

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Speaker 2: a defensive end and ye know, free agency because he

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Speaker 2: does not look like he belongs.

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Speaker 1: For example, j C. Horn in a walking boot. He's

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Speaker 1: out for the rest of the off season.

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Speaker 2: Really yeah, Oh that's a big blow for them. I

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Speaker 2: mean he was just in there their top five that

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Speaker 2: we talked about. I really like the prospect. He can't

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Speaker 2: stay in the field either. He's missed a lot of time.

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Speaker 2: I mean, hopefully he's fine by training camp, but boy,

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Speaker 2: he's a core young dude. I mean they picked him skipped,

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Speaker 2: you know over to justin fields. Yeah, right, and he

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Speaker 2: was worth the bad.

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Speaker 1: And when he's been on the field, he's been great.

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Speaker 2: Right right right, you know, but that's one of the

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Speaker 2: last guys. Wouldn't hear that about because he's having a

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Speaker 1: If you're the Panthers, yeah, you definitely want that to

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Speaker 1: to change. For if you if you're the Carolina Panthers,

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Speaker 1: you're like, this is this is.

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Speaker 2: Building all this guy, right, Yeah, and what happens with

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Speaker 2: these guys too, which is unfortunate, you know, not for

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Speaker 2: long part of the league. Before you know, it's like,

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Speaker 2: are we picking up the fifty year option or not?

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Speaker 1: Are you like fifty your option? You know? If he's

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Speaker 1: year chase you do you have to draft another one?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, right kind of stuff. Yeah, I mean first

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Speaker 2: know if he's anna here two years from now when

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Speaker 2: Bryce Young is hopefully hitting his stride, you know. So

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Speaker 2: it's rough. I don't like hearing that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just uh, you know, the the uh, just

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Speaker 1: OTAs are over and there's forty guys still on the field.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I almost didn't bring it up because I was sitting

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Speaker 2: here wondering to myself, will anybody say after practice or

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Speaker 2: is it like I got a plan in the catch

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Speaker 2: I'm ready, I'm let's go have.

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Speaker 1: A bar four day but yeah, four days off.

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Speaker 2: I mean I don't know that I would be I

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Speaker 2: might be like I put in some good time. I'm

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Speaker 2: going home, you know, but the field's littered with players

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's not just been today, It's been.

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Speaker 2: Every day and every day. I honestly think every day

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Speaker 2: has been more than the next. You know, maybe someone's like, boy,

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Speaker 2: I might be losing a stuff here if I'm not

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Speaker 2: out there just changing the standard. That kind of stuff is,

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Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, yeah, it's infectious.

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Speaker 1: I mean I get you know, for the most there's

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Speaker 1: a few of the defensive linemens stay out here, but

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Speaker 1: I think they get their work in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You know that some positions it's more important than

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Speaker 2: others too.

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Speaker 1: There's Casey Hampton. You should say, I get I get

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Speaker 1: two plays, I go left, I go right. You know,

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Speaker 1: you know, can I do a whole lot more than that?

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe you stay and do some conditioning, but even.

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Speaker 2: The last two hours, I'm sure they worked on their

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Speaker 2: get off and hit the sleds. They already did that stuff.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you want to run some sprints and you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, work on your cardio a little fine, but

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Speaker 2: you know the O line you see a ton of

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Speaker 2: and you would think, oh, that's the same. No it's

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Speaker 2: not at all. I mean, these guys are their technicians

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Speaker 2: really working on their past sets and their hand placement,

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Speaker 2: and they'll do it at three quarter speed and then

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Speaker 2: they'll ramp it up, and you know, there's a lot

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Speaker 2: more to it than you know, like not divulging anything,

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Speaker 2: but it looks like the coach just told one of them, hey,

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Speaker 2: one where the rep before was better, you know, with

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Speaker 2: his butt was sinking a little bit better, but that

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Speaker 2: the one after wasn't quite as good, you know. So

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Speaker 2: it's more consistency and repetitions and doing it over and

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Speaker 2: over and over.

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Speaker 1: Again, building building that muscle memory to the point where

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, having never played the game, you know,

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Speaker 2: I look at it as an outsider and think past

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Speaker 2: protection might be the most unnatural thing that's in the

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Speaker 1: Like if you're just as Joe Blow walking down, shuffling backwards.

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Speaker 2: Let alone to be that big yeah right right, I mean,

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Speaker 2: just moving, retreating with your butt sunk as much as possible,

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Speaker 2: that big and doing it. Yeah, I mean you don't

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Speaker 1: Very much, you know, like it's very much. It's very

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Speaker 1: similar to defensive flights in basketball, where you know, you see.

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Speaker 2: But nobody it's plowing India. That's that's the thing is

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Speaker 2: Nick Bosa's not coming at.

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Speaker 1: And you also see it a lot of times, you

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Speaker 1: know when you're when you're coaching it. You know, as

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Speaker 1: as the drill goes on, you know, everybody's great, they've

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Speaker 1: and then you do it, you know, for fifteen seconds. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you see people are starting to lean over a starting

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Speaker 2: I always think about that with offensive lineman. It's it's like, man,

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Speaker 2: I just went against Bosa three reps in a row.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna go off for one one time. They're gonna

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Speaker 2: throw somebody is fresh at me. Yeah, and I don't

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Speaker 2: get to I don't get to take a quick break,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean the other positions besides quarterback and

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Speaker 2: run off the field. No one thinks twice about it.

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Speaker 2: Like I've seen one playoff.

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Speaker 1: That's why. That's why offensive lineman love run run blocking. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they get to drive off the ball and deliver the

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Speaker 1: blow as opposed to absolutelys is gonna hit me in

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Speaker 1: he's going to come back in fresh and hit me

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Speaker 1: Matt Williams, and I am Dale Lollie. Tom Offerman is

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Speaker 1: nine to seventy. This is the Drive. We'll be back

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Speaker 1: with more right after this.

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Speaker 3: Back here on the Drive live from the final day

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Speaker 3: of Ota. Steelers walking off the field now wrapping things up,

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Speaker 3: a couple of straglers still out there. Tom Offerman jumping

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Speaker 3: I want to get to something that Colin Cowherd said

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Speaker 3: we get there, Big news today in the NFL, Dalvin

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Speaker 3: Cook released from the Vikings.

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Speaker 4: Were you surprised by that? I was a little bit

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Speaker 4: surprised by that.

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Speaker 2: No, there's been rumored for a while.

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Speaker 4: I don't you by surprise.

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Speaker 2: No, Like I guess on there, you're younger than me

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Speaker 2: on their official Twitter banner or whatever. Madison's on. Cook isn't.

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Speaker 2: And that was since the draft, you know, like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: And that draft class was just that's the James Connor

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Speaker 3: It was the least yards per carried Cook's average in

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Speaker 2: It doesn't surprise me, but yeah, I means still.

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Speaker 4: Still going in the wrong direction.

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Speaker 4: But oh, I think he'll be a starter somewhere, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: A hundred percent. So he'll catch on somewhere. And I

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Speaker 3: Why wait around for those two years when the wheels could.

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Speaker 2: Fall off tomorrow they could, and he is expensive. Of course,

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Speaker 2: Maybe he compliments Pollard in Dallas. Is this better version

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Speaker 3: Do you think Kansas City's going to be looking for

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Speaker 2: See, if I'm cook, I don't want to be a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, I'm not going to take a series.

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Speaker 4: They're at least an we're still the Lions.

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Speaker 3: Like if you're the Vikings, you should have the mindset

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Speaker 4: We were last year and we are this year.

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Speaker 2: It what's funny is Dale and I have often kind

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Speaker 2: They were the eight seeds and you know, seven teams

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Speaker 3: They strike me as that team. There's always a team

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Speaker 2: This is a real nerd thing for you, but it's

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Speaker 2: And they call it the plexiglass principle where when you

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Speaker 4: Say they're the anomally because they got Burrow. But you

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Speaker 3: You kind of started thinking, here's the step back, right,

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Speaker 4: But I feel you on that and I to that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this league doesn't have five win teams go to

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Speaker 3: Right, they're going to regress back towards the most like

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Speaker 3: And the Lions, Yeah, the same way you know they

436
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Speaker 3: came on. They were unbelievably unlucky at the beginning of

437
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Speaker 3: last year. I mean, we just couldn't scratch it went

438
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Speaker 3: out and then they went on a crazy winning street

439
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Speaker 3: down the stretch.

440
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Speaker 2: The Steelers too half the season, had a.

441
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Speaker 3: Pulse in the last game of the year. But I

442
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Speaker 3: really do see them struggling because A, no one's going

443
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Speaker 3: to be surprised by you anymore. I mean, you're playing

444
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Speaker 3: the opener against Kansas City and that I think the

445
00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,480
Speaker 3: spotlight on them is really going to be their undoing.

446
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Speaker 3: And then B I mean, Jared Goff has gotten better,

447
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Speaker 3: but it's still not that guy that I'm like, Oh,

448
00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,760
Speaker 3: he's ready to take this Joe Burrow esque step to

449
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Speaker 3: lead his team to consistently contending now for the next

450
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Speaker 3: five six years.

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Speaker 2: And that was when it's all said and done. Was

452
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Speaker 2: close to a top five offense, a bottom five defense,

453
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Speaker 2: Yeah right, and hey Sutton was a great Steeler. But

454
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Speaker 2: does that make them a mediocre defense? I mean a

455
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Speaker 2: couple of little additions. I don't think so. I think

456
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Speaker 2: it's still gonna be a blow average defense.

457
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Speaker 4: And you think that's where they just need to get.

458
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Speaker 4: Is that mediocre?

459
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Speaker 1: That would be close?

460
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Speaker 2: Because I don't think it's going to be that's the

461
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Speaker 2: thing is, as I say, it is kind of a

462
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Speaker 2: golf thing. Jamison Williams is suspended. I doubt they're gonna

463
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Speaker 2: be a top five offense again.

464
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Speaker 4: And Williams is.

465
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Speaker 2: Gone, He's gone, Montgomery's back, and they've they got rid

466
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Speaker 2: of Swift for Gibbs. They have a good offensive line,

467
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Speaker 2: but they're a pass catcher short gone.

468
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Speaker 3: I really thought that the Swift and Williams duo was

469
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Speaker 3: going to be something in Detroit. I mean, Williams set

470
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Speaker 3: the record for Detroit touchdowns in a season. And for

471
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Speaker 3: them to just be gone with both of them, yeah,

472
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Speaker 3: they kind of shocking to me.

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Speaker 4: They really just must not Like.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they got along with Swift or trusted him,

475
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Speaker 2: or it wasn't much of a knee bitter enough for

476
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Speaker 2: them or whatever. But guy's a good player when he's

477
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Speaker 2: on the field. I don't know, but I there's a

478
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Speaker 2: couple of teams. The Giants are a good exam. You

479
00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,399
Speaker 2: took a massive step forward. You're probably not going to

480
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,200
Speaker 2: take another one forward. You'll probably take a small one back.

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Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned the Lions, bad defense, great offense, and

482
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Speaker 3: you know a lot of coaches would prefer to I

483
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Speaker 3: think have that.

484
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's the right.

485
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Speaker 3: So I was listening to Colin Coward the other day,

486
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Speaker 3: I think it was a couple of days ago, and

487
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Speaker 3: he was talking about the Bills and how you know,

488
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,520
Speaker 3: they've built around this team so well, but they've underachieved

489
00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,439
Speaker 3: because he thinks their offensive line is still a problem.

490
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Speaker 3: They just haven't fixed that offensive line the way they shouldn't.

491
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Speaker 3: Any lump the Steelers in there too, and said Steelers

492
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Speaker 3: have had the same problem. They haven't been able to

493
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Speaker 3: build up that offensive line.

494
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Speaker 4: Now.

495
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Speaker 3: I think he's trying to get that take in while

496
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Speaker 3: he can, because I think this offensive line is going

497
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Speaker 3: to take a pretty decent step forward this year for Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: I think over the last two years.

499
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Speaker 3: They're really progressing. And yeah, I bet you see a

500
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Speaker 3: leap this year. If people think you'll do, I do too.

501
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Speaker 3: So he was talking about the Steelers and the Bills,

502
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Speaker 3: and then he brought in the Seahawks and the Chargers

503
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Speaker 3: and he said, well, these four teams have in common.

504
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,440
Speaker 3: They are the foremost expensive defenses in the NFL. They

505
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Speaker 3: spend the most on the defensive side of the ball.

506
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Speaker 3: And then look at the coaches. Pete Carroll McDermott Tomlin

507
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,440
Speaker 3: for defensive coaches, and he's questioning about building a team

508
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Speaker 3: that way is really relying on the defensive side of

509
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Speaker 3: the ball in the twenty twenty three era of football.

510
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Speaker 3: And I'm curious, do you think you can still win

511
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Speaker 3: with a very expensive defense in an okay offense and

512
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Speaker 3: average offense or do you have to have the other

513
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Speaker 3: side of that where it's the great offense and the

514
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Speaker 3: defense has to be average.

515
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Speaker 2: So some of that can be misleading. So I'll bring

516
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Speaker 2: up the Bengals because the Bengals the last two or

517
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Speaker 2: three years have also been in that category. Very cheap offense,

518
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 2: very expensive defense. Cincinnati's defense is mostly built from outside

519
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 2: the organization. Hendrickson Reeder. You know, they've a woozy a

520
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 2: They've gone out and spent Hilton, They've gone out and

521
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 2: bought defensive players and really hit on a lot of them,

522
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Speaker 2: and they've done well with it. It's worked really, really well.

523
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Speaker 2: But if you notice this past year, Cincinnati drafted defense

524
00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 2: like crazy. Why because they're done buying the players, because

525
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,360
Speaker 2: they're about to pay their offense, you know what I mean.

526
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Speaker 2: I mean, So the Steelers are gonna be in that

527
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 2: same scenario soon. The Steelers were by far the youngest

528
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Speaker 2: offense in the league last year and therefore cheap. Well,

529
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Speaker 2: in a year or two, when you're paying Pickings and

530
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Speaker 2: Pickett and blah blah blah bah blah and hopefully Jones

531
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Speaker 2: and all these dudes that they all turn into superstars,

532
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 2: then you're going to have a very expensive offense and

533
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Speaker 2: Coward's conversation is going to go down the drain. So

534
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Speaker 2: I think it's kind of where your quarterback is contractually

535
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 2: to some degree, especially if he's a good player. Burrow

536
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,479
Speaker 2: is the best example. You know, Chargers are a perfect example.

537
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 2: They haven't paid Herbert yet, so they have an expensive defense.

538
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Speaker 2: While they before they paid Herbert, they go and they

539
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 2: signed Khalil Mack and J. C. Jackson made a fortune

540
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Speaker 2: and so they took their their shot. So last note

541
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Speaker 2: on that is another football outsiders thing that's very proven

542
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Speaker 2: year to year two is offenses are more predictive year

543
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Speaker 2: to year than defenses. You know that there's more top

544
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 2: defenses that are going to fall to mediocrity, there's more

545
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 2: crappy defenses that'll get to above average. And I think

546
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Speaker 2: it's just because quarterbacks, you know, quarterbacks are stable year

547
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Speaker 2: to year, but predicting defenses off last year's performance is

548
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 2: much riskier than predicting offenses off last year, I.

549
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Speaker 4: Think, especially in turnovers. Like turnovers, that's it. It's like that.

550
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Speaker 3: It's hard to say, Oh, they led the league of interceptions

551
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Speaker 3: last year, then they'll probably do it again this year.

552
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Speaker 2: They won't. Yeah, exactly right, And the Steelers are the

553
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Speaker 2: best example ever with that. Just coincidentally lead the league

554
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Speaker 2: in interceptions, last in the league in fumble recovery. They'll

555
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Speaker 2: probably be sixteenth in both next year, and that, you

556
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Speaker 2: know what I mean, that's so weird.

557
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Speaker 3: And it was like three years ago, I think they

558
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Speaker 3: were leading the league interceptions right at the top two

559
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Speaker 3: Then two years ago they were near the bottom of

560
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Speaker 3: the league as far as interceptions were getting the ball

561
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Speaker 3: at all, and then last year, like you said, right

562
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Speaker 3: back at the top.

563
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Speaker 4: It's just so random. I mean, TJ.

564
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Speaker 3: Watch jumped up on the line of scrimmage and picked

565
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Speaker 3: off Joe Burrow twice.

566
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Speaker 4: Yeah, new account for that at all.

567
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Speaker 3: It's just a freak play that has probably like a

568
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Speaker 3: five percent chance of working out, and he did it twice.

569
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Speaker 2: So it's so I didn't realize this until two segments ago.

570
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Speaker 2: Alex Highsmith was one of the very tops in the

571
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Speaker 2: leagues at creating fumbles.

572
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Speaker 3: And we just never jumped on this, didn't happen to

573
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 3: didn't get the back right guy wasn't at the right price.

574
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Speaker 2: And I don't know if there's anyone better in the

575
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Speaker 2: league just watching tape at creating fumbles and TJ Watt,

576
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's awesome at it, hacking at the ball,

577
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Speaker 2: and he's gotten so good at its kind of like

578
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 2: his brother does. It's swatting the ball.

579
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Speaker 3: So you would actually have to feel kind of optimistic

580
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Speaker 3: then there that they're.

581
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Speaker 2: Not gonna be lasting the league fumble record. You bet

582
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Speaker 2: every dollar I own.

583
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Speaker 3: I would assucure him that they're going to still be

584
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 3: punching the ball out. What's one of the best at it,

585
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Speaker 3: And like you said, high Smith has shown a great

586
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Speaker 3: ability to do it too.

587
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Speaker 2: They were just unlucky.

588
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Speaker 3: You're gonna have the ball bounce into ninety sevens lap

589
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 3: now this year exactly like OK, Joe's gonna land on one.

590
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Speaker 2: It might be first, you know, like right, so and

591
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Speaker 2: he probably won't leave the league interceptions so either.

592
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Speaker 3: And as far as you know, the conversation of can

593
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Speaker 3: you win with defense in today's NFL?

594
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Speaker 4: I still do think you can.

595
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Speaker 3: It's just different from back in the early two thousands

596
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 3: or the eighties Bears, where like you're ripping off shutout

597
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 3: after shutout or yeah, the Steelers, what was the stat

598
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 3: back in the seventies, Like they didn't allow more than

599
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 3: like a field goal in the past, like four weeks

600
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 3: or something, some crazy stats.

601
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Speaker 2: Of that eighty five Bears stuff. Isn't good.

602
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Speaker 4: That ain't gonna exist.

603
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 2: That's not gonna exist anyway.

604
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Speaker 4: But I think if you.

605
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Speaker 3: Hold teams to like twenty one points, yeah, you turn

606
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 3: them over a couple of times, and you sack the

607
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 3: quarterback four or five times, constant pressure on them, that's

608
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Speaker 3: the passway that you can be the dominant defense in

609
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Speaker 3: the NFL.

610
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Speaker 2: Like it starts with the pass rush. Though you know,

611
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 2: I don't need Casey Hampton and if I can those quarterbacks,

612
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 2: if that's where my money's going into Watts and Haywards

613
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: and those guys. I think you can win in this

614
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Speaker 2: league with an average offense. I mean, can't be a

615
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: bottom to your offen right, you know.

616
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Speaker 3: And especially just because when you can get pressure up

617
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Speaker 3: the middle. When you can rush three four guys just

618
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 3: harassed quarterbacks for a full sixty minutes, makes life so

619
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Speaker 3: much easier for your secondary, for guys in coverage. It

620
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Speaker 3: makes the windows a lot tighter for the quarterbacks. I mean,

621
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Speaker 3: the homes is gonna fit through those windows. But that's

622
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Speaker 3: one guy, you know. I mean the majority of the

623
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Speaker 3: league and a lot of the Steelers schedule are going

624
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 3: to have trouble against that this year. So you know, again,

625
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 3: I just think it looks so different, like you're not

626
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 3: going to see the game one seven to nothing. No,

627
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 3: you'll see it won twenty four to twenty one. And

628
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 3: the defense will set the offense up with short fields.

629
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Speaker 3: A couple of times, I.

630
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Speaker 2: Say, if you can win the turner, if they can

631
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 2: create big plays and can get a stop, that most

632
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 2: defense is done.

633
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 4: That's I think the elite defense.

634
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Speaker 1: Yah, yeah, yeah, I think you're right about that's the way.

635
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: But so the counter argument to that, and I don't

636
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 2: know this off the top of my head, but it's

637
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 2: something crazy like of the last thirty six and or

638
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 2: Super Bowl winning quarterbacks, basically thirty three of them are

639
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: Hall of famers or future Hall of famers, you know,

640
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: what I mean. But I mean like Nick Foles, Brad Johnson,

641
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 2: there's a couple of those that did. Del Trent Tilfer

642
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 2: is the other one. Yeah, and now I think about it,

643
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 2: I mean again, I used to know that off the

644
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 2: top of my head. But there's some anomalies too.

645
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 3: Flaco Dale, mel Flacco too. Yeah, he's a Hall of Famer.

646
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 3: Well he was elite, how dare you?

647
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 2: But like Peyton, Manning was one of them. As his

648
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 2: last year of the Bronco he was not playing as

649
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 2: it they won the defense, you know what I mean, Like,

650
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 2: there's some things like that.

651
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 4: Right, he was worse than Trent Hill for that.

652
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: Exactly, I was right. So there is some you know,

653
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Speaker 2: caveats there, you know. And would Eli Manning be a

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Speaker 2: Hall of Famer if it based on his play kind

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Speaker 2: a chicken or egg thing, like if he doesn't win

656
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Speaker 2: those two Super Bowls which he didn't put the team

657
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Speaker 2: on his back, would he even be considered in the

658
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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame conversation? No, you know, so there is

659
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Speaker 2: a little bit of it's easier if you have a

660
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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame quarterback. Of course that's the best route.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I do think that's not the only

662
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Speaker 2: way to skin a cat.

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Speaker 4: He's Matt Williamson. I'm Tom Offerman.

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Speaker 3: I'm tapping out Dale, tap back in to finish things

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Speaker 3: off here last.

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Speaker 2: Drive, stopping back next week, Yes, right.

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Speaker 3: Be here next week Mini camp Tuesday, Mini Camp, Yeah, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Right.

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Speaker 1: Camp.

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Speaker 3: So I'll be back down here. I'm sure you'll hear

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Speaker 3: me on this very program next week. But Dale jumping

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Speaker 3: back in next the drive on SNR and ESPAM Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I am Dale Lowie. He is Matt Williams.

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Speaker 1: You know, thank Tom off from him for jumping in

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Speaker 1: there for me while I ran in and did my

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Speaker 1: duties in the Steelers' locker room. I got what I

676
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Speaker 1: needed in there, Matt. I wanted to do a little

677
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Speaker 1: little project here, exercise, little exercise as we head into

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Speaker 1: the final segment here of Ota sessions on Steelers Nation

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Speaker 1: Radio and ESPN nine to seventy. And I know a

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Speaker 1: lot of people like to look at, okay, you know,

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Speaker 1: games in which a team has an advantage over the

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Speaker 1: other team playing. So let's look at the Steelers schedule here.

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Speaker 1: And I want to look at an advantage at the

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage defensively defensively in which games the Steelers

685
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Speaker 1: will should have an advantage at the line of scrimmage

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Speaker 1: both sides of the balling time the ball. Okay, we'll

687
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Speaker 1: see if there's some clear there'll be some clear cut ones.

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Speaker 1: There'll be some splits, uh and maybe something that they

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Speaker 1: just flat out lose. But let's take a look at that.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So Week one San Francisco, so Trent Williams aside their lines, Joe,

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say that, yes, yeah, I mean high

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Speaker 1: Smith might have a long day.

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Speaker 2: I mean he's gonna have a long day. That's a really,

695
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Speaker 2: really tough assignment. But I could see cam Ogan, Jobie

696
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Speaker 2: and Watt certainly having an advantage.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then on the other side of the ball, San

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Speaker 1: fran has has yes, yeah, it has an advantage.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially with probably some new starters. Maybe you got

702
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Speaker 2: to iron out a kink or two. But San frans

703
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Speaker 2: front's really good, so.

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Speaker 1: Kind of a push Yeah, it's about it, push righteah.

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Speaker 1: Week two against Cleveland, familiarity goes a long way there too.

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Speaker 1: I mean Steelers D line hasn't changed much. Brown's O

707
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Speaker 1: line hasn't changed much. So I'm gonna call that a push.

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Speaker 1: I think that overall it's a push. I think Cleveland's

709
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Speaker 1: done a lot to help their front, But the Steelers

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Speaker 1: O line is good. Yeah, yeah, I don't see distinct

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Speaker 1: advantages there. Week three, again, if by.

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Speaker 2: Chance Roderick Jones is starting, he's gonna have a tough

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Speaker 2: time with Garrett.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know for sure.

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Speaker 2: I mean everyone's gonna have tough time with Garrett.

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Speaker 1: Week three against the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: Huge advantage defensively, huge advantage really both sides, both sides, Yeah, huge, huge.

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Speaker 2: Week four, the the truck mark both sides. Yeah, Houston,

719
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Speaker 2: same thing, same thing. I think they're O lines improving rapidly.

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Speaker 1: But they're not ready for this. No. Week five against Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Baltimore's D line's good at all.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think they are either, And that's used

723
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Speaker 1: to I mean that's usually been a strength.

724
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a tough one to comment on, because how

725
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Speaker 2: is Baltimore gonna play football this year? They're gonna come

726
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Speaker 2: at you with their big bodies and Rashard or Card

727
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Speaker 2: and those guys. I still like the I mean Steelers

728
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Speaker 2: have held up to that front. Well, they're gonna have

729
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Speaker 2: to pass protect more. That's a little bit of a

730
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Speaker 2: work in progress. I'll give the Steelers check marks on both.

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Speaker 1: Sides, Okay, bye week in Week six, I like the

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Speaker 1: Steelers chances.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they get two check marks there.

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Speaker 1: Week seven against the Rams.

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Speaker 2: Donald's a problem, of course, of course, of course, but

736
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Speaker 2: he's the only problem. He's gonn get doubled every snap

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Speaker 2: every year, and their offensive front's pretty bad. Yeah, so

738
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Steelers advantage on both sides, but Donald's

739
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: a game wrecker.

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Speaker 1: Week eight Jacksonville.

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Speaker 2: That defront's hard to comment on two because I think

742
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Speaker 2: it's a sending. I would expect Walker to have a

743
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: much better second year, and he wasn't terrible.

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Speaker 1: You like the fact that that game is here, yeah,

745
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: not down there.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna call their defront versus Steeler line a push.

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Speaker 1: Which if you remember the preseason last year, it was

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Speaker 1: not it was a game where the offensive line looked

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Speaker 1: really bad, but that it was the second preseason game too.

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Speaker 2: I like the Steelers D line over Jacksonville's OH line. Though,

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Speaker 2: yeah yeah, what's his face? Won't be back from suspension

752
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 2: at that that really.

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Speaker 1: Well, it might be six games, might be might be

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Speaker 1: his first game back Week nine against the Titans.

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Speaker 2: Titan Joe lines dreadful. Yeah, Simmons is a.

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Speaker 1: Simms is a Problemdanikotre is good.

757
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a push. Yeah, maybe even favors Tennessee, but

758
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Speaker 2: certainly favors Steelers D line.

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Speaker 1: Week ten against green Bay.

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Speaker 2: Another tough one because there is talent on that defensive

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Speaker 2: front and then they drafted Van Ness. You know what's

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Speaker 2: he going to be like. I'm gonna give the Packers

763
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Speaker 2: a slight advantage there, but that's a pretty close to

764
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Speaker 2: a push. I like the Steelers front against the Packers

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Speaker 2: OH line. But that's not a bad O line.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not a bad Elton Jenkins.

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Speaker 2: It's been bugging me all day.

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Speaker 1: It just popped into my head right. Week eleven is Cleveland. Again,

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Speaker 1: we already talked about that, but that one is up there, sure,

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Speaker 1: which makes a difference. Week twelve against Cincinnati, Both their

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Speaker 1: lines of scrimmage are good. I would say their D

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Speaker 1: line gets the slight advantage, but not massively. I think

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Speaker 1: the Steelers D line gets an advantage, probably more so

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Speaker 1: than the other one. Yeah, so both D lines get

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Speaker 1: the nod, but the Steelers buy more so Week thirteen

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Speaker 1: is Arizona. Ooh, their d lines on the worst in

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Speaker 1: the league. Their offensive line is not much that much better.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the two young tackles look like foundational pieces,

779
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Speaker 2: but I mean, well, Humphreys isn't young anymore, but who

780
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Speaker 2: knows what he is as a rookie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Week fourteen is New England here.

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Speaker 2: I like their own line. I like their D line.

783
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Speaker 2: It's not star studded, but they're deep. Both of them

784
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: are deep. They drafted like three interior offensive linemen, not

785
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: a lot of star power, but I'm gonna call those.

786
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Speaker 1: Washes.

787
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Speaker 2: But I think the Steeler D line is better, is

788
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: the best unit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if you're ranking them before that would

790
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Speaker 1: be Yeah, that would be the case. Week fifteen at Indianapolis,

791
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Speaker 1: They're left tackle situations are the real problem. Yeah, But

792
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Speaker 1: I do think Kelly and Nelson probably had their worst

793
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Speaker 1: year ever last year and will rebound.

794
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: But I still think the Steeler front is better.

795
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Speaker 1: Cam has handled Nelson as well as anybody.

796
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Speaker 2: Yes, I think Watt's a problem for them, without a doubt.

797
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Speaker 2: Their D line is a tough one too, because they've drafted,

798
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Speaker 2: but there's quity pay and some of these edge dudes

799
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Speaker 2: that could be a lot better than they have been.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's talent there. I'm gonna call that a wash.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Cincinnati again here we said that one. Yeah, Seattle

802
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 1: at Seattle Week seventeen.

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Speaker 2: I think their offensive lines a little overrated. I mean

804
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: they're interior guys on the O line are mashers, but

805
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: I don't think they'll mash Cam and Ogunjobi, you know,

806
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 2: and they're not great on the interior. Everyone raves about

807
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 2: their two young.

808
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Speaker 1: Tackles, but they're too young and.

809
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Speaker 2: They look like they have a nice, you know future,

810
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 2: and one of them is first round pick, and you know,

811
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Speaker 2: you get a starter in the third or fourth round.

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00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: It looks like it on the right side.

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Speaker 1: Great, but getting ready for yeah, wats better.

814
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Speaker 2: In their building helps their defensive line I think is

815
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 2: the worst group of the four.

816
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Speaker 1: Yeah, easily, easily, easily, by far easily.

817
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then Baltimore again in Week eighteen, and we talked

819
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Speaker 1: about that.

820
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

821
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Speaker 1: So you know, people certainly much more nods to the

822
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Speaker 1: Steelers than not. People like to say, well, the game's

823
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: won in the trenches. Well, the trenches are now are

824
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Speaker 1: pretty good for the Steelers.

825
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 2: They absolutely are I mean, this is a much bigger

826
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Speaker 2: project than we have in the last two minutes of

827
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Speaker 2: the week. But I wonder if we ranked who are

828
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Speaker 2: the best teams in terms of linemen, like Eagles are

829
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 2: probably one. I'm talking about O line plus D line

830
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 2: equals a final school.

831
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Speaker 1: We did that a couple of years ago, did they not?

832
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: I think everyone does it every year. Yeah, but it's

833
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 2: that's a great July project. There's nothing to talk about.

834
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: But I mean who, I mean, Arizona might be last

835
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: best big men? Yeah? Who is the best big men

836
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 2: in the league? Are always very much in the competition,

837
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: you know, conversation and should be. But I think I

838
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 2: mean I said this before, I think all four of

839
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: the O lines in this division, Steelers division, are going

840
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 2: to be top tenish. I know that's not I don't

841
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 2: think it'll be top five, but I think they'll be

842
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: top tennish. And if a Steelers D front is also tennish,

843
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: it's pretty good. But most people aren't in the top

844
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: ten and both well.

845
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Speaker 1: The interesting thing about that is for a long time,

846
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: Cleveland was head and shoulders above everybody else.

847
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Speaker 2: Oh linewise, oh line wise, yes, yes, yes.

848
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: I think they're starting to decline a little bit the

849
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: rest divisions, putting in the the rest of the divisions.

850
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 2: Working on that, Orlando Brown, we know the Steelers, did

851
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: you know, like.

852
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: At this point, do the Ravens have the worst? Are

853
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: they the worst team in the division on both sides

854
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: of the I think the scrimmage.

855
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: Well, that's to be an interesting conversation too, is if

856
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 2: we were just to rank the eight AFC North big

857
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: Men units. Yea, their D lines number eight without a doubt.

858
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: That's my easiest one to say. It might be the

859
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Speaker 2: might be like distant eight. Yeah, like twenty fifth in

860
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: the league. Eight Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean I don't

861
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: know how I would rank the top seven. But if

862
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: I was doing those rankings, immediately I put Ravens D

863
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: line in eight places from the work your way up

864
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 2: right right right and filling the gaps from there, And.

865
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Speaker 1: Who's number one? What's what's the number one unit?

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Speaker 2: Hmm? Maybe the Steelers de Front? It might be the

867
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Speaker 2: Steelers de Front. I mean, I'm including high Smith and Watch.

868
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 2: No it isn't, but I would take the Steelers over there.

869
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 2: Ye Brown's oh line is still pretty darn good. I

870
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Speaker 2: mean that might be the fourth best O line in

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Speaker 2: the league. Maybe, So I think it'd come down to

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Speaker 2: Brown's OH line or Steelers D line. I bet there's

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Speaker 2: some people saying the Steelers O line should be seven.

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Speaker 1: That's not the case.

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Speaker 2: I'm not on board with that. Yeah, but I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how I would rank the O lines

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Speaker 2: in the league other than Brown's one. But it's not

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Speaker 2: by the gap that used to be. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's not clearly not.

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Speaker 1: I think the Steelers offensive line as a whole might

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Speaker 1: be better than Baltimore's offensive line.

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Speaker 2: Could Baltimore's two units be seven and eight?

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like if Ronnie there's a huge

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Speaker 1: leap of faith here that Ronnie Stanley is still good

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Speaker 1: right right right, and we don't know that.

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Speaker 2: We don't know that, and he hasn't been good for.

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Speaker 1: He has to be because they don't have they don't

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Speaker 1: have another left I mean, is not an option to me.

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Speaker 2: No. I mean, they invested in pass catchers, which I

890
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: totally get. I mean it's probably smart.

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Speaker 1: They might not be able to pass block.

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Speaker 2: But that both lines I think are going backwards for them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, everybody likes it. Linderbaum, but he doesn't pass block.

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Speaker 2: Well no, right, right, and he's still young. And I mean,

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Speaker 2: the more I think about it, Brown's D line or

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Speaker 2: Ravens O line, I mean there's no Garrett on.

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Speaker 1: The they don't they don't have that.

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Speaker 2: I mean even Stanley on his best day could at

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Speaker 2: least be in that conversation, and his best day may

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Speaker 2: never be.

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Speaker 1: Moses is right, you know.

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Speaker 2: Moses isn't any better than Chos. So I'm they're the

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Speaker 2: same tier. Yeah, one of them might be eighteenth and

904
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Speaker 2: one might be twentieth or you know whatever, but they're

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Speaker 2: not a whole lot different. So yeah, the Ravens are

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Speaker 2: definitely at the bottom. They're last in terms of big

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Speaker 2: men in the North, which is hard to believe.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they've been built on their big men.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I bet that's going to keep Harba up at

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Speaker 2: night this year. Yeah, like that could be next year's project.

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Speaker 1: This year because their their their project this year was

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Speaker 1: rebuild Lamar and rebuilding the secondary a little bit and

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Speaker 1: getting pass catchers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, let's rebuild the passing game. Yeah, it

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Speaker 2: was I think both sides and keeping Lamar was. It's

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Speaker 2: a weird off season for them. I bet next off

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Speaker 2: season is where big men are slipping. We gotta get yeah, ye, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know. Interesting.

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Speaker 1: Interesting. I where the Steelers addressed their big men a

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Speaker 1: lot adobe you know, you know, signed Bent or went

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Speaker 1: and drafted Benton, even Golden.

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Speaker 2: I mean things like that count I mean, and not

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Speaker 2: to mention all the O line movie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, moving, you know, going back to last year drafting

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Speaker 1: Leal and yeah, and you know, signing Daniels and Cole

926
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Speaker 1: and now her big you know, the last two off

927
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Speaker 1: seasons have.

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Speaker 2: Been very big man related. Yeah, so wow, Yeah that's

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Speaker 2: changed drastically.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's an interesting way of looking at it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati's not bad since he's bad on.

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Speaker 2: Either side of those No, they always invest I mean, yeah,

933
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Speaker 2: you forget them. I mean they Miles Murphy now, he's

934
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Speaker 2: a good player. I mean, you know they're there. They

935
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Speaker 2: don't think they're going backwards in that department. They're probably

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Speaker 2: two if you if you just do big men ranks

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Speaker 2: in the Yeah, they might be one.

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Speaker 1: They might be one.

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Speaker 2: They might be one.

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Speaker 1: They're certainly in that conversation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, they're not last in either category, right,

942
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Speaker 2: and they might not be third in either category.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, goody are good. I mean they're they're the

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Speaker 2: best team in the division right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're a good football team. And again and they

947
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Speaker 1: have the best quarterback the window. That's something with maybe

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Speaker 1: we'll see here between training camp and their OTA's and

949
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Speaker 1: mini camp and they started training camp, do they get

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow signed to a new deal?

951
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Speaker 2: You would think they got.

952
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Speaker 1: It's something they got to work on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And they do have a big chunk

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Speaker 2: of cap space right now. I think I haven't looked

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Speaker 2: in a while.

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Speaker 1: They're right behind the Steelers I think in terms of

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Speaker 1: cap space. But that's going to get eaten up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it's next year. They still have a big chunk.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we know where it's all going, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right, But interesting it is Matt that's going to do

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Speaker 1: it for our coverage here on Steelers Nation Radio and

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Speaker 1: ESPN nine seventy. But we will be back again Tuesday, Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: Thursday next week from mandatory mini camp. Although you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: know that these sessions weren't mandatory because pretty well attended,

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Speaker 1: very well attended. But that's going to do it for us.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you listening to this edition to the Drive.

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Speaker 1: We also want to thank CJ keeping us on the air,

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Speaker 1: Justin Beck in studio doing the same, and well, we

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