Speaker 1: He is Drinks Chests, motherfucking podcast. He's a legendary queens rapper.
Speaker 1: He ain't agreed as your boy in O r E.
Speaker 2: He's a Miami hip hop pyoneer put up as.
Speaker 1: DJ E f N.
Speaker 3: Together they drink it up with some of the biggest
Speaker 3: players you me and the most professional unprofessional podcast and
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Speaker 1: Drinks chants mother fu posy ds new yu C.
Speaker 2: That's it's time for drink Champs.
Speaker 1: Drink up, motherfuck mother fuck.
Speaker 3: Eric Sherman, you said, hell bro, come on, start to
Speaker 3: fucking in y'all.
Speaker 1: No, you can do yo. Check this out, y'all.
Speaker 2: We at the Museum of Graffiti, the Art of Hip Hop, Yes,
Speaker 2: Art Basil twenty twenty five. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And this is motherfucking Drink Champs in the building. Yeahs.
Speaker 2: And today we have a very very special gun a legend.
Speaker 1: I can't I come. The motherfucking tycoon makes some noise
Speaker 1: for Eric summon. I'm gonna be honest with you. Don't lie.
Speaker 1: I watched the documentary this morning.
Speaker 2: This documentary you're speaking of these people. Some people might
Speaker 2: not call it is right where he goes right into this.
Speaker 3: No, I mean be honest. I've literally watched it twenty
Speaker 3: minutes ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why he was late.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had to do research, but I couldn't believe
Speaker 3: because I know you. You got green eyes, but you're
Speaker 3: a tough motherfucker. You're a tough dude. You are not
Speaker 3: no sucker. A lot of people don't know that. And
Speaker 3: for you to say that, puff daddy punchs you in
Speaker 3: the face and y'all walked around.
Speaker 1: He swung on me, he swung on all right, let's
Speaker 1: make that clear of this. That's clear it all right?
Speaker 1: So what could I was clear? Oh no, no, okay.
Speaker 1: It sounds like it's oh no, no, no, no, okay.
Speaker 3: So he didn't punch you. No, all right, So let's
Speaker 3: let's break that down. Because this is the hottest thing
Speaker 3: on the market. Everyone is watching it, number one on Netflix.
Speaker 1: So what happened? Now? Papa is actually my friend, So
Speaker 1: he was my friend. It didn't look like that in
Speaker 1: the documentary.
Speaker 4: I'm just yeah, but I ain't say nothing bad. All
Speaker 4: I talked about was the story that you spoke your truth.
Speaker 2: Let that happen. It wasn't that I was bashing him.
Speaker 4: This the fact that it happened because of the situation,
Speaker 4: just saying what was told already by Jean.
Speaker 1: It was outen deal period.
Speaker 4: But he already put that out a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4: So when they asked me the question, I just confirmed
Speaker 4: it by saying what happened that day.
Speaker 1: But the gene already said this story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he said that, you know two years ago that
Speaker 4: you know, Homie got mad when he found out that
Speaker 4: I was talking to home talking to.
Speaker 1: Her visa right, and and then you know something went on.
Speaker 2: But again that what happened with me and him was
Speaker 2: just a person who was mad.
Speaker 1: He was my friend. He was mad.
Speaker 4: That's why I said get in the car and let's
Speaker 4: go around the corner, because I knew that in front
Speaker 4: of somebody you probably would act a certain way.
Speaker 2: So around the corner things changed. And I want to
Speaker 2: I want to.
Speaker 4: I want to make clear too about the Biggie Smalls tape.
Speaker 4: Of course, Biggie wasn't out yet, so it was new.
Speaker 4: So the ignorant people who're saying it don't add up.
Speaker 4: Of course it adds up if it's brand new. It
Speaker 4: was played to me in the beginning by him before
Speaker 4: we heard the album come out.
Speaker 2: It was ready to die that he showed you like
Speaker 2: before it came out.
Speaker 1: Do you remember what.
Speaker 2: Songs No, give me the loot and I think machine.
Speaker 1: Gun funk, machine gun funk Baby. I died for the funk.
Speaker 1: I died for the bunk.
Speaker 3: You have the best story in the in the fucking
Speaker 3: hip hop man.
Speaker 1: Can I just give you that.
Speaker 4: I don't have this stories. My shit is all truthful.
Speaker 4: I try to make as much truth as possible. Again,
Speaker 4: you see when I did the last drink Champ, I
Speaker 4: was about to bring it.
Speaker 1: I was waiting for somebody to say yo.
Speaker 4: He capped on that there's no need for me to
Speaker 4: cat and plus, nobody's gonna say ship to my face.
Speaker 1: You got people that talk behind the computer and you.
Speaker 3: Got green eyes. No one, No one beats some beautiful.
Speaker 1: But why did they say you can?
Speaker 2: Because of the stuff talking about the publishing.
Speaker 1: Just everything. Every time, everybody lies.
Speaker 2: So I wait for that to happen for me, for
Speaker 2: them to come back and say, yo, oh No, what
Speaker 2: he said was not that you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: but I'm it's just truthful with me.
Speaker 3: No, But I'm gonna be honest with you as a producer.
Speaker 1: Are you done with the other ship. Yeah, okay, around,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get that out.
Speaker 3: Okay, great, But because of course you you the hottest
Speaker 3: nigga right now.
Speaker 1: Don't say I'm not I'm in two episodes. For two minutes,
Speaker 1: he said, you got a reoccurring role in you look
Speaker 1: like you were in the whole documentary. Yeah, but I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not in three or four. I know that's why
Speaker 1: I got a player.
Speaker 3: But when you did that episode, I have never got
Speaker 3: so much love from producers. Producers will hit me and
Speaker 3: be like, yo, what is Eric Sherman talking about? Like
Speaker 3: why did Eric Sherman say that? And the thing about
Speaker 3: it is a lot of people didn't understand or they
Speaker 3: didn't relate what you were saying. So I was like,
Speaker 3: on what part? On on the part that you're saying,
Speaker 3: like yo, I produced for Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: The publishing the residuals like that, Like, so, I.
Speaker 1: Gotta are you going back to the first one? Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: go ahead, I gotta.
Speaker 3: I got a rhyme right now where I say I say,
Speaker 3: I say, I say, uh, still I get residuals off catalog?
Speaker 3: And then I say, open back skeleton, still getting money
Speaker 3: off my catalog? And people don't understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Right, And you know how fast a million dollar goes
Speaker 2: toys economy.
Speaker 1: It goes quick. I used to do that. I used
Speaker 1: to have four credit cards. This is not the flex.
Speaker 4: I used to have four credit cards and on four
Speaker 4: credit cards for thirty thousand dollars apiece. So I used
Speaker 4: to just do that just on a regular basis, for
Speaker 4: like four or five years straight. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: Like not, I didn't say one. I said four credit
Speaker 4: cards of just swiping. I swiped my Lexus coops on
Speaker 4: a credit card. Two short was with me one day
Speaker 4: when I swiped the whole studio on a credit card,
Speaker 4: and he tells the story.
Speaker 1: You ask him. He said, I watched Eric swipe a
Speaker 1: whole studio, the board, the speakers, the fucking amps, the
Speaker 1: fucking outboard gear, the whole nine.
Speaker 4: I just swipe it on cards. That's how it was.
Speaker 4: It's easy to see two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 4: go really in about a month or either forty days.
Speaker 1: You can do it with no problem.
Speaker 3: So let me ask you, because you you gave the
Speaker 3: secret to producers. You gave the secret. You was like Yo,
Speaker 3: all you gotta do is like produce for the right
Speaker 3: people and the right residuals will come.
Speaker 4: Well, the right people can be of course, the big stars.
Speaker 4: But it's also for you to own your publishing. So
Speaker 4: just in case, knowing you wants to sample it, you're
Speaker 4: already just that.
Speaker 1: Own your motherfucking published it.
Speaker 4: Because at the end of the day, for those who
Speaker 4: didn't watch the first Drink Champs, it kind of fucked
Speaker 4: me up to you know when I said it, Ye,
Speaker 4: my phone started ringing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your phone was always ringing.
Speaker 4: So because I was just trying to tell people, if
Speaker 4: you own your own publishing, here's something that can happen
Speaker 4: later on in life.
Speaker 1: Forever, you get paid forever.
Speaker 4: You know, when you own, when you have publishing, no
Speaker 4: matter what if you might get, you know, a check
Speaker 4: for twenty dollars or a check for two hundred thousand dollars,
Speaker 4: or say it a series takes your record and it
Speaker 4: license it.
Speaker 1: You know, you can make all types of money.
Speaker 4: I just happen to be sampled by the Weekend, which
Speaker 4: is the most you.
Speaker 1: Know sampled arts in the world. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So that's why I was able to get that bulk
Speaker 4: of money because he was streaming one point nine billion streams.
Speaker 4: So along with that came that type of money, type
Speaker 4: of money. But only your publisher.
Speaker 2: Though, So you would recommend not to get publishing deals then,
Speaker 2: or would you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's the Great Cort Act.
Speaker 4: Then we did publishing deals effort because the money wasn't coming.
Speaker 4: So once your career starts drying up and stuff ain't
Speaker 4: moving the same, you have your real estate, which is publishing.
Speaker 4: That's your real estate. So it's worth so much money.
Speaker 4: As you can see right now, the masters listen, man,
Speaker 4: the owner of Spotify.
Speaker 1: Right, I don't own Spoty. I don't know who that.
Speaker 2: Is it is, right right, but I know the president
Speaker 2: of Spotify and twenty twenty four he made three hundred million.
Speaker 1: Dollars and he don't artists make. He don't own it.
Speaker 1: He's just the worker. He made three hundred million.
Speaker 4: So imagine what everybody the owners making, or everybody else
Speaker 4: is making. And then the artist is not making nowhere
Speaker 4: near that. The labels are making these deals and everybody
Speaker 4: else is eating but us, you know, But I'm just
Speaker 4: giving you. The president made three hundred million and twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four.
Speaker 2: That's the streaming math, though not on the publishing side.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying what Spotify doing is streaming as far
Speaker 4: as how what happens with you having the master too?
Speaker 4: If you can own the master too along with along
Speaker 4: with the publisher, what you really can be making because
Speaker 4: look what they're making.
Speaker 3: Artist has been taking a a job forever forever. Right
Speaker 3: when I look at a young brother, like like, I
Speaker 3: admire This is gonna sound crazy.
Speaker 1: But I admire NB a young boy young and what's
Speaker 1: his name? NB, a young young boy.
Speaker 3: I admire him because I felt like he brung the
Speaker 3: labels to him right bite their versa, Like when we
Speaker 3: was trying to get signed, we went to the label.
Speaker 3: Of course, I feel like NBA young boys. Uh, I
Speaker 3: praise him. I admire him, and I can't actually honored
Speaker 3: this guy because I feel like he was the first
Speaker 3: one that made the labels come to us. Do you
Speaker 3: think our young brothers should continue that that that that
Speaker 3: that success.
Speaker 4: Everybody that's listening right now, listen. The people that's talking
Speaker 4: in the back get the fun Jesus man, come on,
Speaker 4: they get get the fuck out the building because they
Speaker 4: But for those that want to listen, and want to
Speaker 4: learn something real quick. Back then, when me and Norway
Speaker 4: came out the record, labels is all we had because
Speaker 4: they was the bank to be able to promote and
Speaker 4: push the record. We needed them, right, We don't need
Speaker 4: them anymore. We just know that at the end of
Speaker 4: the day, if Spotify is only paying us zero zero
Speaker 4: zero four less than one cent, and they just passed
Speaker 4: some fucking they passed some type of law just now
Speaker 4: that gave us a penny, right, So at a penny
Speaker 4: if we sell, if we stream one hundred thousand pieces, right,
Speaker 4: it's fourteen thousand dollars, right, No, No, a million is
Speaker 4: fourteen thousand.
Speaker 1: A million is right.
Speaker 4: If you stream two hundred thousand streams, right, you get
Speaker 4: two hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Okay, Now listen to what I'm saying y'all again. If
Speaker 4: you stream a million, you get fourteen grand. If it's
Speaker 4: a penny. If you stream two hundred thousand, you get
Speaker 4: paid two hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: Right, So what would you rather do?
Speaker 4: So if I ask you for one dollar to buy
Speaker 4: my record, and eight thousand people by give me one dollar,
Speaker 4: it's eight grand.
Speaker 1: So what would you rather do? Because because you're only
Speaker 1: making two.
Speaker 4: One hundred dollars, and but you gotta stream one hundred
Speaker 4: thousand doesn't matter, right, And to get a million streams,
Speaker 4: you get fourteen thousand dollars. So if I go direct
Speaker 4: to consumer and tell them to pay me five dollars
Speaker 4: five times four, it's twenty right. So now I'm making
Speaker 4: twenty thousand dollars right, going by myself, I'm nowhere near that.
Speaker 4: When I'm when I'm streaming, I'm streaming for what to
Speaker 4: get what? So I'm I'm just saying for me. If
Speaker 4: it was me, I would do this, I would go
Speaker 4: direct to consumer and whatever fans you have on your
Speaker 4: social media, fuck with them so because cause they would,
Speaker 4: because they.
Speaker 1: Would pay you. Because listen, no numbers don't lie.
Speaker 4: Yes, if I get if I only got eight thousand fans,
Speaker 4: fuck five hundred thousand, two hundred thousand, one hundred thousand fans.
Speaker 4: If I got eight thousand people paying me one hundred dollars,
Speaker 4: it's eight hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Are y'all understanding where I'm coming from. If I got eight.
Speaker 2: Thousand, all I need is eight thousand people to give
Speaker 2: me two hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: It's one point six million dollars.
Speaker 4: I don't understand how you how you not trying to
Speaker 4: do this right? And you and you trying to get popular?
Speaker 4: Fuck popular, trying to like I want the world to
Speaker 4: hit my music.
Speaker 1: Fuck all that. You're not hear making music for fun.
Speaker 1: You're here trying to eat. So let me ask you,
Speaker 1: but hold up, but really quick.
Speaker 2: It seems like there's an information war that's convincing artists
Speaker 2: to do otherwise.
Speaker 1: Like this is the way to go. You gotta go
Speaker 1: with these.
Speaker 2: Platforms the same way that we all bought into social media.
Speaker 2: Each person is a product, and we're all being juiced
Speaker 2: by these social media corporations and not to our benefit
Speaker 2: at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: Is what Noah said earlier.
Speaker 4: I can give you the advance, but advance only comes
Speaker 4: one time.
Speaker 1: That's my problem.
Speaker 4: Once you're done with that advance, money is over. They
Speaker 4: own your likeness. You can't make a T shirt, you
Speaker 4: can't do shit. All of it belongs to them.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've been telling him Indie versus Major all
Speaker 2: day long.
Speaker 4: Oh no, before, before, before, it probably would have been
Speaker 4: fifty to fifty. Right now, it's only the way that
Speaker 4: you should go, especially the ones who.
Speaker 1: Have a name.
Speaker 4: If you have a name, there should be no question
Speaker 4: that they should be coming to you, buying your merch
Speaker 4: and buying.
Speaker 2: Whatever you're selling them. Then people will take.
Speaker 1: Care of you.
Speaker 3: Me and EFN, I'm talking about you like you're not here, sorry, okay,
Speaker 3: But me and EFN we offer people deals right now
Speaker 3: right for Drink Champs Network. We don't want one, not
Speaker 3: one artist to sign to us and to have a complaint,
Speaker 3: right Me and him both came together and we was like,
Speaker 3: we're going to give every artist their own platform, okay,
Speaker 3: and we're gonna make sure every artist owns their shit.
Speaker 3: So if you don't want to.
Speaker 1: Do that, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay. You're not
Speaker 1: for us.
Speaker 2: And with term limits, term limits, we don't. We want
Speaker 2: to be the catalyst for you to sign giving.
Speaker 3: People one year deals and we're saying to you so
Speaker 3: when that deal is up, you can say I don't
Speaker 3: want to be here no more, or I want to
Speaker 3: be here, and then we can continue to make you.
Speaker 3: We it's the first podcast platform that is going to
Speaker 3: be the biggest part class platform because.
Speaker 1: We're making everybody bosses. Right. Is that cool? That's very cool.
Speaker 1: That's very cool. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so even Bleak from Bleak, we got Bleak Angela Simmons.
Speaker 1: I got the homie right there. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know if he.
Speaker 3: Motherfucking got his own thing going, but d One.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, yeah, d one, Yes, I definitely come fuck
Speaker 1: with us.
Speaker 3: Yes, And I want to show every We want to
Speaker 3: show everybody how.
Speaker 1: To be a boss, right like. And I don't think
Speaker 1: hip hop has ever had that, No, don't.
Speaker 4: Not not people who try to let everybody else eat. Yeah,
Speaker 4: what's over is one Listen, man, we want to be
Speaker 4: the boss, and we want to be the.
Speaker 1: Only ones business. We want to be the only ones.
Speaker 1: I can't have you.
Speaker 4: I forgot the loads of power so that I must
Speaker 4: not feed them because I must have them always looking
Speaker 4: for me to get money from or always have to
Speaker 4: depend on me.
Speaker 1: That's the way the ship works. And people they think
Speaker 1: like that, not knowing that.
Speaker 4: Listen man, When epm D came out, right, everybody that
Speaker 4: came after us was so.
Speaker 1: More records than me. But see how you look at
Speaker 1: it like that, But it made me.
Speaker 4: It was longevity and it turned out to be something
Speaker 4: great because that just made me a more profitable person.
Speaker 4: When I got all these groups, I don't care they.
Speaker 1: Sell them more records to me. They under me who
Speaker 1: were talking about Redman. They was all and then Keith
Speaker 1: Murray came. They all so more records than me, as
Speaker 1: far as when they came out as soloist, as far
Speaker 1: as for EPMD. But it made EPMD bigger because.
Speaker 4: Then when Coursover came out, it was our biggest record
Speaker 4: because God's Effects.
Speaker 1: Was platinum, so they had another whole audience. So but
Speaker 1: I don't get mad. I'm bringing niggas in because you
Speaker 1: can't keep showing up to the party by yourself.
Speaker 2: And I'm assuming they had better deals than the deal
Speaker 2: you originally got.
Speaker 1: I got TIGN for fifteen hundred dollars me and pass
Speaker 1: got five thousand.
Speaker 2: No, you made me feel gooven fifty nigga Wait seven
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars a piece?
Speaker 1: Wait yeah, wait, so y'all split the fifteen fifteen hundred. Yes.
Speaker 1: I went to the grocery store. I went to. Yes,
Speaker 1: I did. We went. I went to that. I got
Speaker 1: some grocery pops. Come a long way.
Speaker 4: I want to got some groceries for my moms. And
Speaker 4: I went to marshals and got me an outfit.
Speaker 1: And the legend was born. Apra rex I got an
Speaker 1: ao rex cool. That's five grand, though I thought I
Speaker 1: was we half five grand. Don't forget you coming in.
Speaker 1: You coming in in late nine ninety eight, ninety seven,
Speaker 1: ninety seven s.
Speaker 4: And five thousand is disrespectful. In nineties ninety six that disrespectful.
Speaker 1: Fifteen hundred was no.
Speaker 2: Seven fifty now, but NOI came in Indy.
Speaker 1: You came in super in. Fifteen hundred is nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 1: Nigga nineteen eighty eight, ninety five, five thousand is disrespectful.
Speaker 1: God damn it. He's right.
Speaker 2: Well, you guys kind of came in Indy too, because
Speaker 2: what was it?
Speaker 1: Payday? No seeming back records, fresh records, okay, fresh one.
Speaker 4: Because we had the three The three wordst contracts was EPMD,
Speaker 4: bismal Key and Kane.
Speaker 1: I did not never hear that. Yeah, but we had
Speaker 1: the three lowest.
Speaker 3: So I have to ask what was Kane and Bismark?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think it was around that same Platney sign for
Speaker 4: fifteen hundred. Listen, nigga, we want to be on the radio.
Speaker 4: It don't matter how much money we was getting. We
Speaker 4: wanted to be famous. I did same shit, We don't
Speaker 4: matter about that.
Speaker 1: And how old were you.
Speaker 2: Fifteen, eighteen, eighteen eighty yeah, y'all was kids, man, I
Speaker 2: was seventeen past was eighteen.
Speaker 4: So that's why I was able to get out of
Speaker 4: that deal when Russell came and brought us for one
Speaker 4: point six million dollars because I was under age when.
Speaker 1: I throw that out there at one point six? Yeah,
Speaker 1: did y'all not hear that? That one point six? Yeah? Ye,
Speaker 1: throw that out there. God, they ain't coming. I mean,
Speaker 1: I ain't get all of it, but that's something right right, But.
Speaker 3: You got to see depth jam, yes, transition right yeah,
Speaker 3: before depth jam.
Speaker 1: Uh it was before depth like from the management.
Speaker 2: Rush was before the actual well we was all signed
Speaker 2: to rush right rush.
Speaker 1: Every major artists manage Rush management before the label right yeah?
Speaker 1: Well what what death sham was there?
Speaker 4: Because Russell had depth Sham So the BC Boys was
Speaker 4: on and LLLL was on there day, but they had
Speaker 4: rush management too where they signed everybody that was out, so.
Speaker 2: They had l L and they had the BC Boy
Speaker 2: Yes that's it, that's it, and oh and Orangew Jones who.
Speaker 1: Was signed Profile Records. Yeah, well, did you say Orange
Speaker 1: was Jones? Yes? I thought oras J. Jones was on
Speaker 1: Tommy Boy. I saw You Walk in the Rain two.
Speaker 1: I think it was on I know it's on Depth Cham.
Speaker 1: Oh it was on Jam.
Speaker 4: Yes, we don't have to google that. It was Russell's boy.
Speaker 4: I might be but I was Russell's best friend. Maybe
Speaker 4: I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 1: You might. You might be right. He might be right. Okay,
Speaker 1: I thought he was on Tommy Boy. I don't know.
Speaker 1: You've been getting a lot of money for a long time.
Speaker 1: You might be right.
Speaker 4: Yes, I know the Pact Boys and Heloja started Depth Cham.
Speaker 2: Those were the first two acts on Deaths And how
Speaker 2: did it feel like the Rush artist versus Death Jam artist?
Speaker 1: Was there any russis just management?
Speaker 2: I know, but did it feel any Was there any
Speaker 2: awkwardness and that that people that are doing the management
Speaker 2: now got this record label?
Speaker 1: Nah? They had Death Jam first.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, was there anything anybody with any of the artists?
Speaker 4: Now everybody was again, there was the biggest, there was
Speaker 4: the hottest out so again everybody. I remember there's a
Speaker 4: picture out with all of us on the Elizabeth Street
Speaker 4: in Manhattan, how where the first office was. So Rock
Speaker 4: Kim was out there was out we out there to
Speaker 4: under rush management. I mean every act that was.
Speaker 1: Somebody was signed to rush except KOs one.
Speaker 3: So let's let's let's get into this legendary Long Island beef.
Speaker 3: Legendary you know you guys, let's.
Speaker 1: Let's coming down with the We're used to this were
Speaker 1: used to, but I'm not used to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, okay, it's okay, this is this is hip hop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they got to shut up and get the.
Speaker 3: Fire every right, everybody pay attention please, But you guys
Speaker 3: got into beef with the legendary Rock Him.
Speaker 1: How the funk does this happen? It's just the neighborhoods
Speaker 1: is well, Long Island again, you know, is a is
Speaker 1: a bunch of rappists, you know right? Well coming through was.
Speaker 4: The beginning was rock Him in the beginning. So here's
Speaker 4: the reason why I really kept rapping because he rhymed slow,
Speaker 4: so I had a list, so I had to rhym
Speaker 4: slow anyway. But he was roming slow, you know, because
Speaker 4: that's how the style was. But Rock Him made this
Speaker 4: song called I Ain't No.
Speaker 3: Joke, and I always wanted to ask you this right.
Speaker 3: I do not think he did.
Speaker 1: Y'all on that. Yeah, but he didn't. This is on that, okay.
Speaker 4: Is the fact that when he said you can get
Speaker 4: a smack for this, I ain't no joke. It just
Speaker 4: happened that your customer came out afterwards. It's like a
Speaker 4: Digama smack, you smacked me, and I smack you back.
Speaker 2: It's not you guys were talking about him right right,
Speaker 2: because you.
Speaker 4: Can get a smack for this. I ain't no joke.
Speaker 4: It's like a Dgama smack. You smacked me and I
Speaker 4: smack you back. So the neighborhoods took it like, oh shit,
Speaker 4: rock him, EPM these this shoe.
Speaker 2: But to be clear, you weren't no and what neighborhood
Speaker 2: off from Brentwood?
Speaker 3: Brittwood that's right next to wander Him who town's over
Speaker 3: two towns.
Speaker 4: So then Rock Kim came back with a butter said
Speaker 4: Dick and I never dug it. He couldn't have followed
Speaker 4: leader long enough, so I drug him in the danes
Speaker 4: of zone. You could have rand. He just kept going,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So I'm like a I
Speaker 4: told po, we can't we can't beat him. You know,
Speaker 4: we no way, we can't. We can't beat him. So
Speaker 4: so eventually the beef got squashed. But it started from
Speaker 4: the neighbor The neighborhood started to beef. But we was
Speaker 4: never trying to go out of him. It just happened
Speaker 4: that Paris Rhyme had that in it and they took it.
Speaker 4: How serious of that? Did it get serious or not?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it got serious, there was it got it got
Speaker 4: it was bad, you know, but again it got squashed eventually.
Speaker 3: You know, do you do you realize Eric Sherman is
Speaker 3: top five one of the best producers in hip hop?
Speaker 1: Ever, I don't know. I mean, hey man, I mean
Speaker 1: there you go make some noise feric sermon.
Speaker 3: Now because I know you you my friend, like like
Speaker 3: so this is it's weird because.
Speaker 1: I always want you to know that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, listen, there's a guy named Larry Smith
Speaker 4: that came before me, right, Larry Smith did sucking Ce's
Speaker 4: Adventures a Slickering, which is children's story.
Speaker 1: He did Houdini.
Speaker 4: So again, then you got Mally Maul, who if he
Speaker 4: didn't sample, we wouldn't be here. So I automatically have
Speaker 4: to look at those two before I even look at
Speaker 4: down the line or where we all all of us
Speaker 4: come afterwards. I can tell you this, I don't think it.
Speaker 4: I don't think niggas is as much work as I did.
Speaker 4: You know, as far as as far as producing, as
Speaker 4: far as groups, wrap and R and B music, that
Speaker 4: I know that nobody does as much work as I did.
Speaker 4: Now being a producer, I'm not. I never claim the
Speaker 4: best be the best beat maker.
Speaker 1: I'm a record producer.
Speaker 4: That means I tell you that that beat is dope,
Speaker 4: but that beat ain't for you, that versus dope, but
Speaker 4: that verse don't belong here, that versus dope, but it
Speaker 4: should go third, and that should go second, that chorus
Speaker 4: don't match. That means that a producer, I'm making the
Speaker 4: I'm making the best record possible for the artists. So
Speaker 4: beat makers make beats. I'm not that Quincy Jones. I'm
Speaker 4: a producer, you know. So it's a big difference.
Speaker 2: But you do make beat I'm not a beast.
Speaker 4: No, No, I am a producer. But you got to
Speaker 4: say the two things you want the distinction to be
Speaker 4: a beat maker just makes beats. I'm not that I
Speaker 4: make A producer is everything everything okay.
Speaker 1: And you. You don't look at yourself as a producer
Speaker 1: as a producer.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 1: You get you.
Speaker 3: You gave me a record one time and Red Man
Speaker 3: used this ship And this is the biggest miss This
Speaker 3: is probably one of the biggest mistakes of my career.
Speaker 1: What record is this? I'm what is the a rap?
Speaker 2: I did you send me that record?
Speaker 1: That ship was? I don't know if you made it
Speaker 1: for me?
Speaker 4: No, No, I didn't make to be it's just blaze.
Speaker 4: I just wanted you to be on the record. And
Speaker 4: I thought it was dope for you.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I thought it was dope for you.
Speaker 3: And I I was on tour or something. I was
Speaker 3: just like, just just busy. And when I look and
Speaker 3: then Red Man used this ship, I was so mad.
Speaker 1: I'm not listen.
Speaker 4: I'm not mad because when I was doing fifty cent
Speaker 4: and I did the heat Waves, I was happy you
Speaker 4: got on the record because because the chorus needed that
Speaker 4: what what we don't tell niggas out like I need
Speaker 4: that that keep.
Speaker 1: Going here going.
Speaker 3: I was the first person on fifty cents project when
Speaker 3: everybody did not believe in fifty cent.
Speaker 1: I was the first Hoy Day local man.
Speaker 3: I was the first person fifty cents first feature.
Speaker 1: And guess what two of them? I did two of them.
Speaker 1: So thank you for that. They said that here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because once once, how the rob came.
Speaker 4: He got signed, so no one wanted to guy so
Speaker 4: he Wade was the first single and then he got shot.
Speaker 4: So so so that was.
Speaker 2: So hold up real quick because actually we asked people
Speaker 2: on Twitter, on xCE, on Facebook for some questions for you,
Speaker 2: and that was actually one of the questions that they
Speaker 2: said that did you do you feel like you.
Speaker 1: Passed on fifty or what? What didn't work out? Like
Speaker 1: why didn't you sign fifty? Cory Rooney lived next door
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 4: That's what trap masters Krey Rooney, So Coy knocked on
Speaker 4: my Corey really knocked on my door and kind of like,
Speaker 4: you know, handed me fifty.
Speaker 1: So we did make records, Like I said, four what
Speaker 1: a CD?
Speaker 2: No him, No, like I brought it personally to you know,
Speaker 2: he came with him. Yes, I don't think a lot
Speaker 2: of people know this correlation.
Speaker 1: I didn't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know the same with him. So fifty would
Speaker 4: come over every day. We would make records.
Speaker 1: The whole nine, and I think we made like five records,
Speaker 1: That's what I said. Listen, it was in my basement,
Speaker 1: so of course you had to be on heat wave.
Speaker 1: This is done at my house, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So, but at the end of the end of the day,
Speaker 4: he was already signed the Trap Masses and I was Sony,
Speaker 4: so I didn't have an opportunity to get that my boy.
Speaker 4: But Nod was managing him, you know. So that's where
Speaker 4: the connection came out from. But I didn't have an
Speaker 4: opportunity to sign him, so I didn't pass. I just
Speaker 4: did the work as a producer.
Speaker 3: You know, when when he did, you step up and
Speaker 3: try to say, yo.
Speaker 1: He's already signed.
Speaker 2: But after Track Masters, because that there was that time
Speaker 2: frame before Eminem that you oh.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: But but he was again, he was be cooping, doing things,
Speaker 4: you know whatever. He was up up in the Poconos
Speaker 4: at the time, the whole one, so he was getting
Speaker 4: this ship together to come out and destroy the world,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I didn't have contact after that. After somebody gets shot.
Speaker 2: They ain't fucking with nobody, So that changes things for sure.
Speaker 2: So well, I think I mean, honestly, I just think
Speaker 2: that not many people have heard that connection of fifty
Speaker 2: and Eric Sermon.
Speaker 1: So well. You got to.
Speaker 4: Understand though, too. This is another thing where people don't
Speaker 4: understand about me. I could have signed Ludacris. I could
Speaker 4: have signed Game. I could have signed Wu Tang going down.
Speaker 3: Let's break break that down. Ludacris, tell me how you
Speaker 3: could have signed Ludacris.
Speaker 1: I moved to Atlanta. You were the first artists from
Speaker 1: New York to be all up in Atlanta. Was the
Speaker 1: the first so to Atlanta.
Speaker 3: Right, So, my man, Greg, you knew that was black
Speaker 3: Hollywood in the LANDA So too Short came after you
Speaker 3: because I know too Short ended up there.
Speaker 4: Came after everybody came after when they saw me in
Speaker 4: a source magazine and saw I was in Georgia. They
Speaker 4: all came after him, scar faced the whole nine. And
Speaker 4: Tupac was at the rim shop too, so he was
Speaker 4: already kind of coming in and out, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. So but but Lucris would comes with the
Speaker 4: crib and play his was he Chris Lover at the time,
Speaker 4: right christ Radio and poooning Daddy Daddy on and pulling
Speaker 4: level of love on radio.
Speaker 1: So again I just thought.
Speaker 4: It was more of a red Man thing, even though
Speaker 4: he was nice, right, but he had to fro he
Speaker 4: had the whole nines, this, that, that, this, But he
Speaker 4: was nice and matter of fact. When Lula Chris got signed,
Speaker 4: he called my phone and said, Eric, should I signed
Speaker 4: with Sylvia Rome or soiund with death Sham?
Speaker 1: I said, sound with death sham? You know, no, cap
Speaker 1: go and ask him.
Speaker 2: Wait, but when you say he's more of a red
Speaker 2: Man thing, like you like for Redman to take him
Speaker 2: on as an artist, No, I already had somebody like
Speaker 2: oh you you already had a Ludicris Jason type artists
Speaker 2: right right, I got it.
Speaker 1: I would say I'm in.
Speaker 4: But he was nice as I cam in front of me,
Speaker 4: nice as hell. But I just you know, again, I'm
Speaker 4: just getting to Georgia.
Speaker 1: I'm new, you know what I mean. But I but
Speaker 1: I saw that you got Players Club every night. I'm
Speaker 1: making it rain.
Speaker 4: No, I ain't ever gonna a stripped a dime, but
Speaker 4: as far as I saw that part of him, so
Speaker 4: that's why. But again, the respect level was there when
Speaker 4: he got signed to ask me like, yo, should I
Speaker 4: go here? Go here even though Sylvia Rohne was offering
Speaker 4: him a million dollars and death Sham offered them seven fifty.
Speaker 2: I just say go with death Sham. It's a better
Speaker 2: look with death Jam. And this is Russ Leon. Julie
Speaker 2: Green was a better look for him. He's an MC
Speaker 2: and it was a great look. Look, great look.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So wait, we gotta talk about Wu Tang. How does
Speaker 2: this wait? Wait did you say yeah, we said Wu Tang.
Speaker 2: You said you had a chance to sign Wu Tang.
Speaker 4: So but no, Alexander again my best friend, but no,
Speaker 4: father he deserved had their church. Drinker had a church
Speaker 4: in Staten Island. Yeah, the church right, so he was
Speaker 4: the pastor. But now I've been going to church. His
Speaker 4: father had this church for twenty years. I been drinking
Speaker 4: with Banar. How are you out of the church.
Speaker 1: Right, So he's a he's a son of a pastor.
Speaker 1: So yeah, church.
Speaker 2: So but now it took me to go see Ray Kwan.
Speaker 2: His name was Sean Lai. Yes, you went to stant Island.
Speaker 2: Nobody told you Staten Island. Nobody went to stant Island
Speaker 2: back of the day, but I did. I got robbing
Speaker 2: stant Island too. But but but don't tell me for
Speaker 2: a girl. Yeah, for a girl. I watched you episode
Speaker 2: with mit Blee.
Speaker 1: I did. I got dropped.
Speaker 3: It's always a girl. But I came back your green
Speaker 3: eyes fuck you up with visins.
Speaker 1: So listen. When he heard the woo, you don't yeah,
Speaker 1: come on give us the who taste.
Speaker 4: So I talked to ray Kwon and and Raykwon tell
Speaker 4: the story. I was gonna sound ray Kon by himself
Speaker 4: right right. But there's a picture on my eye rock
Speaker 4: with all the Wu Tang members right on the I rock.
Speaker 4: It's a dope picture. I don't know where his pick at,
Speaker 4: but it was out at one time. But but I
Speaker 4: was too young to know. You know what I'm saying, begause,
Speaker 4: I'm brand new myself. This is nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 2: Wait, this is eighty nine when you meet Raykon?
Speaker 1: Right A nine?
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 4: That super early for all who A nine yeah, A
Speaker 4: nine ninety. So I see Raykon again. I go back
Speaker 4: to start now and I see him walking.
Speaker 1: I stop him. I give him my number.
Speaker 4: Ray Kon told me that he put the number in
Speaker 4: the dresser and didn't look.
Speaker 1: At it for two weeks.
Speaker 2: Wow, because he was because he't know if he wanted
Speaker 2: to call or not.
Speaker 1: So time go by.
Speaker 2: Next thing, you know, I go to Jack to rapper,
Speaker 2: I hit protect your neck out of here.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But again you know whatever.
Speaker 4: But but but but if I if I would have
Speaker 4: known what I knew, I would have had Wu Tang clan.
Speaker 2: Yes, man makes some noise for that. Listen any it
Speaker 2: real quick. I know he's a dream Chance of alumni.
Speaker 2: He's been, he's gotten his flowers. But still we got
Speaker 2: to give him something we can he can't leave upty
Speaker 2: handed flowers.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 2: Well we got something for you, Eric. Okay, that's the
Speaker 2: new for our simon.
Speaker 1: Please. No one's never had those flowers. Give it to you.
Speaker 1: Never had that case though. Yeah, this is that. That's
Speaker 1: the truth. Okay, that's the road. Yo. With the Rolex watch,
Speaker 1: nigga like, I'm like that's I was looking at the watch.
Speaker 1: What watches that? That's black?
Speaker 3: This is gradual Okay, yeah, this is five right, it's fire.
Speaker 1: Listen. We got a quick quick time with line.
Speaker 2: I got a couple of a quick quick time and
Speaker 2: then he wants a designated drinker, which he already picked.
Speaker 1: Sonny. Sonny step up to the play. Oh god, wait
Speaker 1: wait wait, I ain't tell you about the other rappers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, get the community, but Sonny get ready gets get
Speaker 3: into Wu Tang and then you said said ludicrous Wu
Speaker 3: Tang and then who else?
Speaker 1: Then there's the game, the game Game right.
Speaker 3: You could have signed Game before doctor dre.
Speaker 2: Yes, give us the year, so it's more context of
Speaker 2: when you meet these people.
Speaker 1: Well, I meet Game early too. Again.
Speaker 4: My boy d Mac with had Game and Game met
Speaker 4: me at the Fox Hills mall right, and I told.
Speaker 2: Him, mall that's the Black Mare right in California, the
Speaker 2: Black Mare, right, black One.
Speaker 4: And I told him to spit sixteen for me, but
Speaker 4: he didn't know what I what I meant to spit
Speaker 4: sixteen bars?
Speaker 2: Wait, behold the hold up? So you randomly meet in
Speaker 2: the mall, just random? No, my boy brought him there, Oh,
Speaker 2: brought him, not to meet you, Okay.
Speaker 1: I just told you. My boy d Mack brought him
Speaker 1: to the mall to me me.
Speaker 4: So James tells this story too, and one of the
Speaker 4: magazine says, I was want to sign with Eric but
Speaker 4: he wasn't ready, so I signed with fifty.
Speaker 2: And that's crazy that the triangle that it was agree
Speaker 2: with that story.
Speaker 4: You wasn't ready, Yeah, I was. I told you I didn't. No, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I was doing me. You gotta understand, I was really,
Speaker 4: I mean, I had a lot of deals, with a
Speaker 4: lot of.
Speaker 1: Shit's going on. I was, you know, it was outside.
Speaker 1: I was in the I was in these labels.
Speaker 4: Now, Tony Draper bought me Rick Ross right in the beginning.
Speaker 2: Remember when Tony was messing with real right, so now
Speaker 2: our house. Now his name was Teflon, right, yep, Teflon.
Speaker 4: So Teflon was on my nineteen ninety nine album as Teflon. Right,
Speaker 4: it was writing a lot for Trina and then back then.
Speaker 1: Too, right.
Speaker 2: So so Rick Ross was on your nineteen ninety nine
Speaker 2: out right as Teflon as Teflon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he was active back yeah, holy moly, guacamole.
Speaker 4: Then and then he came ato my crib and slept
Speaker 4: on my floor and the baby right on the not
Speaker 4: on the floor, but he was in my basement. He
Speaker 4: tells the story. I was at Eric Summon's house for
Speaker 4: months making records. Right, So again I could have probably
Speaker 4: signed Ross even though he was signed the Draper. I
Speaker 4: just didn't know how to make that move. At the time,
Speaker 4: and I had my own artists.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 4: I love your story, man, Yeah yeah, but do you
Speaker 4: understand the people who was in front of me. Somebody
Speaker 4: bought Biggie Smalls to me, asked Benaud. Bernard said, somebody
Speaker 4: bought Biggie Smalls to me to the barbershop.
Speaker 2: Next thing you're gonna say, Michael Jackson came to you.
Speaker 1: Fine, listen, I don't got no cap with you.
Speaker 4: Somebody brought Biggie Smalls to the barbershop and I didn't
Speaker 4: listen to him.
Speaker 1: This is before this before this is.
Speaker 2: Before a party and bull when he was definitely Biggie
Speaker 2: small body.
Speaker 3: It was nobody and they all right, so let's describe
Speaker 3: that situation.
Speaker 1: What did they say? This is the next dude from Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know who. No, I bring
Speaker 1: your ass over. I don't know who was it? But
Speaker 1: who barbershop I was at? But but I don't know who.
Speaker 1: Mike he gonna no, yes, yes, he said, oh.
Speaker 4: Guess the ball, but that's where he was at. He
Speaker 4: was bought and somebody said, yo, check him out. I
Speaker 4: just didn't get I wasn't there. I was getting their
Speaker 4: hair cut. Go see something problem.
Speaker 3: You was getting so much money that you ain't see
Speaker 3: so much more money.
Speaker 4: Not the money I was going to see whatever girl
Speaker 4: I was going to go see.
Speaker 1: Yo, I ain't gonna lie. You got a lot of
Speaker 1: girl problems.
Speaker 3: I will watch you a Memphis Big podcast because it
Speaker 3: ain't even out yet, and.
Speaker 1: I washed it wasn't a girl, Pam was any rapper?
Speaker 1: You was new. It's what you did. That's your green eyes. Yes,
Speaker 1: what you did?
Speaker 3: You you Every girl wanted green eyes babies.
Speaker 1: Is there any other rapper? Any other people eyes?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: My father got green I went the first one to
Speaker 1: work with Acon too. Damn man, he just he just
Speaker 1: he just slipped the script. What's that we asked about
Speaker 1: Africa at all?
Speaker 4: It's Atlanta. My boy, Divine had him. Nobody knew what
Speaker 4: to do. So I was just doing the fath for
Speaker 4: my boy. So I was making records with him.
Speaker 1: So what was the first record with you and A kon? No?
Speaker 1: Nothing came out until but no again.
Speaker 2: But that tell ya something.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to not say the word nigga no more.
Speaker 3: Right, So I'm kind of like fucked up because I
Speaker 3: don't want to say I really want to be a
Speaker 3: better person as an individual. And I don't want to
Speaker 3: say nigga no more, but.
Speaker 4: But no that nigga listen man, but Nah brought me
Speaker 4: the Foujies. I turned him down, Jesus, but Nah brought
Speaker 4: me Nas. Nas came to the studio and I didn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't understand it.
Speaker 1: So you're found. I m's not getting mad at you
Speaker 1: right now. So so I gave him. I gave him.
Speaker 1: I hated in the stand them stop. Wait, no, I
Speaker 1: need to I need to know. I need to know
Speaker 1: Ana story. How did that happen?
Speaker 4: So Banar was managing at the management company too that
Speaker 4: he was at what's that big man company, what's the
Speaker 4: big man be coming?
Speaker 1: He was working for. He had DOSC Communications, had.
Speaker 4: All these groups, all these big group Fuuji's Nas and
Speaker 4: all these other rock groups. They was all signed to
Speaker 4: where Bernard was managing that. So Nah was making illmatic
Speaker 4: at the time. So he comes to Long Island. So
Speaker 4: I sit with him, but I'm not playing him nothing
Speaker 4: that is explosive. I'm playing them seedless beats. Don't forget.
Speaker 4: I got Redman, I got dos effects, I got case solo.
Speaker 4: So the type of enrhymement I'm hearing is people that
Speaker 4: got technique and styling doing something different.
Speaker 2: I'm mad at you, I'm mad at myself. He was
Speaker 2: in a hit squad mentality, right, So when Nas was.
Speaker 1: I wasn't there. But I'm still mad ahead.
Speaker 4: So when Nads was coming with the whatever Queensbridge was
Speaker 4: and how how he was coming up, it wasn't registering
Speaker 4: with me, so I didn't take it seriously.
Speaker 1: So so after he left me, but not take him
Speaker 1: to Pete Rock's house and the rest is history.
Speaker 4: For that's the only fuck up that I'm mad that
Speaker 4: I didn't understand.
Speaker 2: Gret fucking move Bernard, Thank god for Bernard Man.
Speaker 1: He makes a noise, That's the only one I know
Speaker 1: that's boo boo.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you as a as as a person, right,
Speaker 3: as a person, Yeah, as a person.
Speaker 1: Because so many times.
Speaker 3: It's been the opportunity that has been presented in me
Speaker 3: and like it's like, you know, I'm I'm a runner
Speaker 3: right now, right, And I know, I know you don't know.
Speaker 1: Run champs yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, run champs healthy high, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: healthy high.
Speaker 3: So I'm a I'm a runner, right, but uh, sometimes
Speaker 3: the opportunity to that be presented to me, and I
Speaker 3: just turned this shit down because I don't really need that.
Speaker 3: What made you turn knaves down or what made you
Speaker 3: not see nas?
Speaker 4: I just told you I did stand see where y'all
Speaker 4: come from. Almost got frobbed and the left rack mall.
Speaker 1: Some we sent to maw. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Some girl told me girl girls, you have girl problems.
Speaker 4: Some girls said I'm gonna say, listen, you gotta turn
Speaker 4: around because niggas is looking at you and they come
Speaker 4: to get you.
Speaker 1: No, lie, I'm so sorry. I wished that should have
Speaker 1: my phone number. Back then. You wasn't around. I wasn't around.
Speaker 1: I would have had to back anywhere, but anyway I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't know.
Speaker 4: Again, you had red men with the ship that he
Speaker 4: was doing you know, you know he was doing.
Speaker 1: You know I got it going on.
Speaker 4: I'm not like to flex because I mean Duran, that's
Speaker 4: effects was bigger do you want?
Speaker 1: And then you had solo work. When I speak it
Speaker 1: so all my rhymes, I get it other shit.
Speaker 4: So my mind wasn't at that type of mentality. So Queensbridge,
Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm not from the city. I'm from
Speaker 4: Long Island, so I couldn't understand where he was coming from.
Speaker 4: That's the only thing I could think of.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you this, Eric Sherman, Queensbridge is the most
Speaker 3: important projects in New York City. I got to know
Speaker 3: where Queensbridge is. And I'm from left Rack, I'm not
Speaker 3: from Okay. But queens Bridge is the only hood in
Speaker 3: Queens that is next to Manhattan.
Speaker 1: Right, it is adjacent to Manhattan. Right, you got to
Speaker 1: cross over in Queensbridge.
Speaker 3: Actually, I forget what hood it is in Compton that
Speaker 3: has the same as that.
Speaker 1: View, but Queensbridge.
Speaker 3: So if you're from queen Bridge and you see Manhattan
Speaker 3: every single day, do you understand how much that is
Speaker 3: for you to be a black child child growing up
Speaker 3: and seeing you see the money, right, it's right there,
Speaker 3: and you gotta grow up still poor and still drink.
Speaker 3: I et a hero today, just so you know what
Speaker 3: a hero?
Speaker 1: What kind turkey and cheese? All right?
Speaker 3: Just to make sure that I could level myself the
Speaker 3: fuck out.
Speaker 1: I got you. Yeah, cause you got money too, I
Speaker 1: said too.
Speaker 3: But I would have loved to see that moment that
Speaker 3: you know you see nas So you didn't you didn't,
Speaker 3: you didn't you didn't tell him no.
Speaker 2: No, it's just you didn't see this an understanding.
Speaker 4: Yes, listen, Dave Rock and real studios got burnt down.
Speaker 4: But I wish I had those tapes because I can't
Speaker 4: even play the dass play the old music that we
Speaker 4: did so I can.
Speaker 2: We did three records for y'all, recording, recorded, recorded.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I just told you. It wasn't. It
Speaker 1: wasn't the dope beats though he's still rhymeing out of it.
Speaker 1: You gave him the throwaways.
Speaker 3: Talking about so you saying you didn't deliver on your part.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't because I didn't, and you gave him
Speaker 2: the okie dough I did.
Speaker 3: He's so not of a real one. I think you
Speaker 3: did deliver. I think it was I didn't.
Speaker 2: I think he's honest, which is telling you real.
Speaker 4: Because I had a crew, I had to save it
Speaker 4: for my niggas.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest, and I will say this behind
Speaker 3: your back when I'm gonna say it to your face.
Speaker 1: I've never heard a whack Eric Shermon beat.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, bro, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: There is no whack erics Hermon beat that exists. I don't.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to, but it wasn't. It wasn't for
Speaker 1: that time, he said, No, I knew it wasn't that
Speaker 1: I knew what I was playing. No, I knew what
Speaker 1: I was playing.
Speaker 3: Okay, I knew I wasn't playing your C grade beats right.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: On another note, Eric, rest in peace to Hurricane Ge.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to know how'd you guys connect? Originally
Speaker 2: I met her.
Speaker 4: I met her at a spot and Llo Cuj was
Speaker 4: dancing with a.
Speaker 1: What yeah, and then LL went tout your story. I
Speaker 1: just once once they once it was over, I said something.
Speaker 3: To him that was like the hardest Puerto Rican female before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was. She was ill man and for theaxt
Speaker 1: that huh, what makes you my toy? Is gonna be
Speaker 1: so happy? I've always been No.
Speaker 2: No, I connected with Hurricane G while she was around
Speaker 2: as a big tape DJ and being Latino of course
Speaker 2: man Hurricane like she was.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 4: I talked to stretching Barbito and a song called Milky
Speaker 4: is still one of their favorite songs that they still
Speaker 4: play from.
Speaker 1: Hurricane as the Underground from America.
Speaker 2: I got her stuff that she did with Ola Records,
Speaker 2: like I got those white labels.
Speaker 1: All of the I love hurricane. My daughter's gonna be
Speaker 1: so happy. Yeah, brought this up. Let it brought up man.
Speaker 2: We love hurricane g Man, those hurricane that's my daughter,
Speaker 2: the daughter.
Speaker 1: They got a kid together, kids. Oh ship, I got
Speaker 1: that part. Yeah man, Now rest in piece of hurricane.
Speaker 3: G I forgot you was outside. Yeah, you've been outside
Speaker 3: for a long time. Everything about you is about girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I spiritted you.
Speaker 2: I spiritted God fIF bleak because I'm from Long Island, right,
Speaker 2: I know you from when I first went to the
Speaker 2: Apollo on Everything I Love.
Speaker 1: No, I lost my mind. I called my mom a mom.
Speaker 4: There's so many black people out here because because don't
Speaker 4: forget me from Long Island, so it's mixed Puerto.
Speaker 1: Rican, white and black. Forgot that part.
Speaker 2: So when I went to the city, I lost my
Speaker 2: mind and apollow up Harlem.
Speaker 1: That's Harlem.
Speaker 2: Then I found out about the Bronx, and my first
Speaker 2: love was in the Bronx.
Speaker 1: So I was on Western Avenue.
Speaker 4: Yes, Cindy worked at the label at at Fresh Records.
Speaker 4: She was one of the one of the receptionists.
Speaker 1: Now know how you got the deal right? No? No,
Speaker 1: he didn't have no do Then he was romance in
Speaker 1: the Stone.
Speaker 4: Well then now all my families and pink houses, so
Speaker 4: I'm near every day, so pink house, so now I'm
Speaker 4: near every day. So now I get a hold of Brooklyn.
Speaker 4: And then I went to best Guy and it was Curtains.
Speaker 4: I'm like every they had to know he was sick.
Speaker 4: The only part didn't master. I didn't master the Queens.
Speaker 4: Like after that thing happened to me, I didn't go
Speaker 4: back to the Queens. But every every other borough and
Speaker 4: Staten Island where I got robbed at was me going
Speaker 4: back for seconds.
Speaker 1: I love Eric Shervan so much. Quick Time with Sliming
Speaker 1: ready for it?
Speaker 2: Come on up, you gotta desiinate a drinker, Okay, yes,
Speaker 2: come on, Sonny money come in.
Speaker 3: And you picked the hay Ship. That's very that was
Speaker 3: very strategic. You picked the Haitian.
Speaker 1: Anybody drinking with us out there, anybody got ready to
Speaker 1: do quick time with sign with us? So you know
Speaker 1: the rules, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: But I want to make sure you said something that
Speaker 4: people would learn from so we can get so when
Speaker 4: we do the clips that it's exciting, Yeah, No, that
Speaker 4: we say something that is worth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we at viral moments. Yeah, we're not good, and Eric,
Speaker 1: we're not done. Man, We're good. You're my brother, Man,
Speaker 1: I got you.
Speaker 2: We gonna take We're good. Listen to the rules for
Speaker 2: the audience and for Eric sermon. We will give you
Speaker 2: two choices, okay, if you pick one, we don't drink.
Speaker 2: Nobody drinks. Okay, I mean y'all could drink, though, if
Speaker 2: you say both or neither, like you don't want to
Speaker 2: answer the question, we all take a shot. Sonny d
Speaker 2: and r E myself and y'all if y'all want to
Speaker 2: drink with us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, drink.
Speaker 2: We want stories more than anything else. This is about
Speaker 2: stories with anybody who mentioned drink.
Speaker 1: All right, not about negativity.
Speaker 2: You ready, Sonny? You got your drink? Let's go, Sonny?
Speaker 2: Are you a professional drinker?
Speaker 1: Was going on? Bro? Is that can say the drink?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: He? Okay, no, realize, but you should? You should? You ready?
Speaker 1: Right now? Man? All right? Go ahead?
Speaker 3: Red Man or k Solo? Oh my god, why y'all
Speaker 3: do that? That's not me, that's not me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Reggie.
Speaker 1: You picked red Man. I gotta pick it. You gotta
Speaker 1: pick Reggie. I'm gonna take it. Sht even though Solo, Oh,
Speaker 1: my god, but but it's red man.
Speaker 3: He was all right, let me ask you, because this
Speaker 3: is something DMX is not here to actually say that.
Speaker 3: I asked DMX what the fuck was DMX and k
Speaker 3: Solo's beef about? Do you remember now?
Speaker 4: It was happened in jail because they said that in
Speaker 4: jail that they was both spelling spell Bound spelling.
Speaker 1: So DMX claimed that that he started, Yes, he started
Speaker 1: Spellbound in jail, and Solo stole it from him show
Speaker 1: and DMX was adamant too.
Speaker 4: Solo was also adamant too. So if somebody comes and
Speaker 4: does it and somebody doesn't do it, it's.
Speaker 1: Kind of hard to believe because DMX didn't do it.
Speaker 1: Solo did it. So if you did do.
Speaker 4: It, you know, why didn't you do it at least
Speaker 4: one time?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 1: But DMX was like adamant, like nah, that's me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So, and I believe both
Speaker 1: of them. I kind of do. I kind of do
Speaker 1: like if you ain't if you locked up, And Nigga.
Speaker 4: Is like, you know what them no, because that's effects
Speaker 4: was the same way. One guy was doing this style
Speaker 4: not knowing that this other guy that what they told
Speaker 4: me they didn't know that both of them, guys.
Speaker 2: The group members, didn't know that each other would put
Speaker 2: a similar style.
Speaker 1: Oh each other.
Speaker 2: That's yes, to make it the diggity styles for lack
Speaker 2: of a better lunch room.
Speaker 4: They found out that each other, each of them rap,
Speaker 4: and then they got introduced to each other. Now I
Speaker 4: think the ignity style came with the both of them.
Speaker 4: But they met to somebody saying, my.
Speaker 1: Boy rap, that's wow, that's crazy. I heard that story
Speaker 1: that was meant to be that I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't understand that story. Okay, go ahead, go ahead,
Speaker 2: let's get all right, major or independent independent? Now all right,
Speaker 2: mob deeper MP, Oh my god, you gotta drink. Take
Speaker 2: a shot, Take a drink if you got one, guys, cheers.
Speaker 4: There is no way I'm going to be able to
Speaker 4: differentiate that. Not those to b Yeah, and both of
Speaker 4: them was on my new project coming out Friday.
Speaker 1: The Duels.
Speaker 2: Probably we're gonna get into that before when we're done
Speaker 2: here Dayla sol or Tripe call quest. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: hey yo.
Speaker 4: It's so crazy because I gotta go. You know what
Speaker 4: day I saw from Long Island and then fight Dogs.
Speaker 1: Favorite group is EPMD. You gotta drink cheer Share Salu
Speaker 1: drink up with us coming out on Friday on the
Speaker 1: Project Foul Nigga. You you know I gave you be
Speaker 1: so you on Volume two. You ain't want to look
Speaker 1: at You're killing me over here, you know.
Speaker 2: And the New Day Last Soul album is incredible and fantastic,
Speaker 2: one of the best albums I've heard in a long time.
Speaker 1: It's incredible, fantastic, the bat that movie.
Speaker 4: Even though they might look at us as as old heads,
Speaker 4: we know, listen, listen. I tell people all the time,
Speaker 4: if you can still do it, then do it. If
Speaker 4: you can't, then don't do it. But I don't give
Speaker 4: a fuck how old you are. If you can rap,
Speaker 4: still rap, and if you mad, then you gotta step
Speaker 4: your game up. That's all about that.
Speaker 2: There's no age on the art man, no doubt period
Speaker 2: it Since you had that big l or Biggie Biggie Smalls.
Speaker 1: Rest in peace, you said, Biggie Smalls, Biggy, I gotta
Speaker 1: give it to Biggie.
Speaker 2: Smalls, all right, Cain or jay Z no leading the witness.
Speaker 1: You gotta say because because you don't forget jay Z.
Speaker 2: Came through that way, right jay Z would say, Kane,
Speaker 2: that's the way I look at it.
Speaker 1: Is the who we jay Z is a problem. But
Speaker 1: I got to give it to a Kine because he
Speaker 1: came from there first first.
Speaker 2: So all right, so big Daddy came doz effects or
Speaker 2: the artifacts I mean, I thinks you're gonna say, even
Speaker 2: though Tanane won them as piece of ta no doubt
Speaker 2: the artifacts off the chain Rockefeller or rough riders.
Speaker 1: While you got a man.
Speaker 4: Okay, listen, now you're talking about the rough riders.
Speaker 2: With the locks, then listen is whatever in your mind
Speaker 2: makes you pick, but you're talking about I'm not talking
Speaker 2: about things your Christ here Christ and.
Speaker 1: Nee freeway Jay God damn. And then you got d
Speaker 1: and yeah you gotta drink.
Speaker 2: Cheers, y'all.
Speaker 1: Cheers, cheers salou yo. Those are yo, those are good,
Speaker 1: those good ones. All right, No you're drinking. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not nas or rock him. Rock him.
Speaker 4: He's the reason why rhyme. He's the reason why everybody rhymes.
Speaker 4: He changed the game, even though you against them. After
Speaker 4: see I ain't never dim After run DMC style came him.
Speaker 1: He changed everything. Everything that we hear and see now
Speaker 1: is from that man. And rock him is still doing
Speaker 1: it at a high level too.
Speaker 3: You know what, you know what, I want to say
Speaker 3: something real quick that you just said he said at
Speaker 3: the Run DMC and I went to Puerto Rico. And
Speaker 3: when I went to Puerto Rico, I seen Bad Bunny
Speaker 3: perform and it was the best concert I've ever seen
Speaker 3: in my life, right besides Run DMC.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: So I went to dinner and ironically, I'm here for
Speaker 3: DJ College today. I'm gonna go to Contessa to go
Speaker 3: see DJ College today. And DJ College said this is
Speaker 3: the best concert he ever saw in his life. And
Speaker 3: I corrected him immediately. I said, did you ever see
Speaker 3: Run DMC perform?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 3: He said no, And I was like, that's why you
Speaker 3: said it. But I ain't gonna lie to you. Bad Bunny,
Speaker 3: wherever the fuck you are, whatever the fuck you doing, Yes.
Speaker 2: You all.
Speaker 3: One of the motherfucking best concerts I've ever seen. Like
Speaker 3: I've never seen like this guy walked around. He he
Speaker 3: did everything as a hip hop artist, as a reggae
Speaker 3: throne artist, like he did everything that I wanted to see.
Speaker 1: Wow. And then I sat in his seat, by mistake,
Speaker 1: you said in his seat. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was like, like so he comes in the in
Speaker 3: the casito casita.
Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry, you know you're the fakest Puerto Rican in
Speaker 1: the history. Really you are.
Speaker 3: I was so I sat there and then he looked
Speaker 3: at me and he gave me the biggest five. He
Speaker 3: was like, Nori, thank you for sitting there, like basically
Speaker 3: sitting in my seat. And I got up and I
Speaker 3: gave it to him and he kept continuing performing it
Speaker 3: and then is one of the best concerts I've ever
Speaker 3: seen in my life, like next to run DMC. Okay,
Speaker 3: because if you're from Queens.
Speaker 1: It's everything.
Speaker 3: And you see run DMC performed right like I was
Speaker 3: at the garden when they pulled up that motherfucking when
Speaker 3: they pulled up that you was there. I was a
Speaker 3: child when I was there. God bless my mama.
Speaker 1: You see back then, No, not not at that time.
Speaker 1: It was run DMC first, I got you.
Speaker 3: So, but that's the second best concert I've ever seen
Speaker 3: in my life. Bad Bunny, wherever you at, I respect you.
Speaker 1: I want you to know that that I.
Speaker 3: I love how you represent Puerto Rican people. I love
Speaker 3: how you represent our culture. And I'm gonna always I'm
Speaker 3: gonna always support you. Bad Bundy, whatever the fuck you at.
Speaker 3: And I don't even know if you fuck like. He's
Speaker 3: always showed me love every time I seen him. He
Speaker 3: he grabbed me and took a picture with me.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I know it was kind of
Speaker 1: a little bit. You know, he's not really a Puerto
Speaker 1: Rican like that. But yeah, I mean, all right, let's
Speaker 1: see if they love that.
Speaker 2: Lets if there's any Puerto Ricans in the building.
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico, Puerto Rico.
Speaker 3: I love that, so many Puerto Ricans here. Let me
Speaker 3: tell you something. I love that, and I'm gonna address
Speaker 3: that real if you can speak a.
Speaker 2: Whole paragraph, right hold on, hold on, hold on, I
Speaker 2: speak hard, I speak hard.
Speaker 1: You ready? You ready? You know?
Speaker 3: You know I've risked my whole career to prove that
Speaker 3: I'm Puerto Rican. I know, come on, I've risked my
Speaker 3: whole career. Do you understand? The man setting to the
Speaker 3: right of me is my closest I love e FN
Speaker 3: so much, I love Fat Joe so much. And they
Speaker 3: both pulled me to the side, and they both said,
Speaker 3: do not do reggae throne. I was not fucking with
Speaker 3: regae first one. You were the first one to.
Speaker 1: Ever they both told me, don't do it, and you
Speaker 1: know what I did? Did it? He's a I did it.
Speaker 3: And guess what, I look like the smartest person at
Speaker 3: the table right now because because I love it. I
Speaker 3: didn't tell him chance.
Speaker 1: No, I love you.
Speaker 3: I love you, bro, I know sometimes I don't. We
Speaker 3: don't even speak, so you No, I love I love him,
Speaker 3: and I knew what he was trying. He was trying
Speaker 3: to protect me, okay, fat Joe was trying to protect me, okay,
Speaker 3: But I was trying to go to the next I
Speaker 3: saw it he did. I saw where reggae throne is
Speaker 3: gonna be. I saw who bad buddy is.
Speaker 1: This motherfucker's perform for the Super Bowl? Do you think
Speaker 1: that happens without body? That happens without me? No?
Speaker 3: Now guess what, No, And guess what, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm claiming it. That's my ship.
Speaker 3: I was the one that said, Yo, Reggae doone is
Speaker 3: gonna move the whole world. So then, now you got
Speaker 3: Whizzed and Yandell. Now you got Zion and Linux. Now
Speaker 3: you got Daddy Yankee. Now you got Dango God Dolom.
Speaker 3: Now you got Donald Maar. Now you got all of them.
Speaker 1: That doesn't exist without the yalla. Okay, see without the yalla.
Speaker 1: When the y'allop put it, I put my whole career.
Speaker 1: You know what black people told me? Or now you're
Speaker 1: Puerto Rican? You know when mother damn somebody say fuck me, nigga.
Speaker 1: I woke him up. See, I woke him up to
Speaker 1: get that that flex I did. That's he thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 3: They was telling me, yo, are you sure this is
Speaker 3: what you want to do? Efn In fact, Joe came
Speaker 3: from uh love, right, they came from love. Everybody else
Speaker 3: didn't come from love. Everybody else was like, you're gonna
Speaker 3: fuck up. You did the war report?
Speaker 1: How can you do?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: You meddo? It doesn't make sense? And you know what,
Speaker 1: I still did it.
Speaker 3: And guess what bad Bunny is performing at the fucking
Speaker 3: super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I was right. I was right.
Speaker 2: But let me tell you, like a lesson to be
Speaker 2: learned with Nori's journey with Reggaeton is that to be
Speaker 2: the first in the door. And it's not to say
Speaker 2: first in Reggadon, the first in the door to break
Speaker 2: down the English markets openness to Reggeddon, to see that
Speaker 2: first person through the door, that first person usually has
Speaker 2: to be Crucif bruggles, it doesn't get the you know,
Speaker 2: the accolades that deserve. It's now that all these artists
Speaker 2: that are that are successful and reggadon can look back
Speaker 2: and say, yes, thank you, Nori, Yes, thank you for
Speaker 2: helping us.
Speaker 1: Know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that nigga sweat. No, you're like, what Yola?
Speaker 2: The other day, I swear to God.
Speaker 3: The other day I mean Dovado Puerto Rico and I
Speaker 3: see Zion Andalynux, I see Zion. Excuse me why I
Speaker 3: put them both into like they two people and Zion
Speaker 3: sees me and we just hug each other.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 3: We didn't have to say nothing, right, I'm just I
Speaker 3: gave him a hug, he gave me a hug, and
Speaker 3: that was it. But I sacrificed my whole career Eric Sherman,
Speaker 3: to put my Puerto Rican people front line.
Speaker 1: I did that. I did that as a friend. I
Speaker 1: can say whatever to you please. I'm glad I spopped
Speaker 1: you up and got you. You got me, hype, you
Speaker 1: got me. So now the world can see how you
Speaker 1: started this.
Speaker 2: I did that.
Speaker 1: Love that next question and.
Speaker 2: Real quick and without getting into too much detail. Had
Speaker 2: he not broken down those barriers and struggled with it,
Speaker 2: struggled with struggle. He struggled with it, there might not
Speaker 2: be a drink chance today had he not struggled with it.
Speaker 2: Because he came to Miami, he knew I wasn't like
Speaker 2: a dun't guy. He's like, let's do hip hop shit again.
Speaker 2: And then drink chance was born amongst that world that
Speaker 2: we we we created, okay, all right?
Speaker 3: And yeah and after after reggad Dome, my man sitting
Speaker 3: here to me to the right, said we did milertainment,
Speaker 3: crazy role radio, satellite radio.
Speaker 1: Let's bring that ship back. And he did that. And
Speaker 1: this is why we hear right now, I got so
Speaker 1: all right, we almost we almost done with quick time.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead, all right, hit squad or death squad?
Speaker 2: Wait?
Speaker 1: What do the people say? What do you say?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: You better not picked His squad was a huge inspiration
Speaker 1: to me because I come from the first one. So
Speaker 1: you gotta drink it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nah, this squad was a huge inspiration squad.
Speaker 4: Because it's started it, you know, the breakup and and
Speaker 4: then the death squad came.
Speaker 1: But all right, are we making a noise for his squad? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: no it make the noise, no.
Speaker 2: Nose all right, Keith Murray or Prodigy, come on recipees
Speaker 2: of Prodigy, guys.
Speaker 1: I don't wake these questions. I got you know what
Speaker 1: you got more, got a lot of more and more work.
Speaker 1: But there's no way I can pick between those two.
Speaker 1: So we drink. Drink, y'all drinking with us, tell y'alla
Speaker 1: with us. That's both Long Island. If you think about it,
Speaker 1: we drinking there they are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody, no, Murry, nobody, No. Probably want to say
Speaker 2: this one more time.
Speaker 1: I know. I think he got his own podcast. No,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would like to get on go
Speaker 1: on his part to keepry each Yeah. Yeah, he announced
Speaker 1: that he had apart when I don't. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but you know I saw him come on your show,
Speaker 1: you know, I saw I know your squash and I
Speaker 1: ran up on him.
Speaker 3: I tried to like take because he had he had
Speaker 3: the po sisty mask on and I was like get off,
Speaker 3: and he was like no.
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, how can we tell people that
Speaker 1: we squashed it?
Speaker 3: If you got the sty and so Keith Mary, I
Speaker 3: just want you to know wherever you at. I want
Speaker 3: being able saying, want to support your career. I want
Speaker 3: to support what you're doing.
Speaker 2: He's a legends, a legend.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, like like it was a little
Speaker 3: bit miss understanding, but I want to be the person
Speaker 3: that takes care.
Speaker 1: Just squashed it already, and I got you. I got
Speaker 1: your back. I'll do your show and I want you
Speaker 1: to do my show. That's right. It's real ship. Thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you. That's real real, Okay. I gotta take some
Speaker 1: noise for that.
Speaker 2: I gotta be you heard nor say Keith Murray on drinks,
Speaker 2: chances're gonna.
Speaker 1: Make it happen. Drink chance, all right, New York or Atlanta,
Speaker 1: New York. All right, DJ Scratcher kick Capri rink. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta drink.
Speaker 4: You gotta drink because again kicking pre startup as scratches
Speaker 4: my DJ too.
Speaker 1: But kick started. I don't make these questions.
Speaker 2: Good uh, second to last, capone or Noriega.
Speaker 1: You got your drink. Drink, Thank you for it, Thank
Speaker 1: you because I might pick your pone good nigga. Oh yeah, damn,
Speaker 1: here's my majuana hitting right now. All right, last one,
Speaker 1: go for it, buddy. Loyalty or respect? Respect, He said
Speaker 1: that quick yeah, I've.
Speaker 2: Never heard something. Then he rushed into the bathroom. Can
Speaker 2: he gets to carry to help study to the bathroom?
Speaker 4: Because loyalty can be compromised, meaning again, you can't really
Speaker 4: trust the loyalty. Somebody can say, Yo, they be loyal.
Speaker 4: They can easily be compromised.
Speaker 2: But wouldn't that not be loyalty at that point? Yeah,
Speaker 2: but again they can say they're loyal. Respect, you can't.
Speaker 2: You got to earn that.
Speaker 1: You can't just just can't get respect like that. You know,
Speaker 1: you have to earn that loyal You can at like
Speaker 1: he's loyal, and then somebody can come to you with
Speaker 1: a proposition and say some shit to you, and you
Speaker 1: can easily just switch it quickly.
Speaker 2: Okay, I want both respect automatically. A loyal nigga is
Speaker 2: not really loyal all the time. He can easily be compromised.
Speaker 2: Anderstand what I'm saying. I got what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I'm using bathrock. Jesus Christmas.
Speaker 2: Now we are win win, all right, Eric sermon, let's
Speaker 2: talk a about this duo's project.
Speaker 1: Okay, how is the project? I thought Copona Oriego was
Speaker 1: you talked about it here with us? What he said
Speaker 1: CNN is not on the project, not this one. I
Speaker 1: gave him Nori to beat, but no, he's busy, right,
Speaker 1: So I had the record made. You know that I
Speaker 1: want them to rock on, but it'll be volume two though.
Speaker 1: Sot For the people that don't know, can you explain
Speaker 1: what the project is?
Speaker 4: Yeah, before before Nas was doing what he's doing, about
Speaker 4: three and a half years ago, I thought that my colleagues,
Speaker 4: I was wondering why they stopped making records.
Speaker 1: So I didn't like that.
Speaker 4: So I said, you know what, maybe they don't have
Speaker 4: nobody to influence them or somebody to make records for them,
Speaker 4: or probably you know, they feel.
Speaker 1: Like they don't have to do it or they can't
Speaker 1: do it. So I said, I'm going to look at
Speaker 1: all the rap groups that was out and I'm going
Speaker 1: to make new records on them, strictly duels, right, just
Speaker 1: due just duels two rappers. There's like twenty four of
Speaker 1: them in the game.
Speaker 4: If you if you look up twenty the dual partnership
Speaker 4: is about twenty four rap groups. So I started with
Speaker 4: making a couple of d ms, some phone calls on
Speaker 4: certain people and then start putting them in my head
Speaker 4: who I wanted to produce and the ones who I didn't,
Speaker 4: who I never produced before, you know. So I think
Speaker 4: the first record I won, of the first records I did,
Speaker 4: was know You by Nature, right, but Know You by
Speaker 4: Nation is not on this project. And then I did
Speaker 4: like you said, you did, you did a record with them,
Speaker 4: it's just not on this break right, And I did
Speaker 4: Lost the Lost the Underground. I did the record with
Speaker 4: them too. They didn't make this one neither, right, So
Speaker 4: time starts going by. COVID comes in after that. Then
Speaker 4: COVID came down.
Speaker 1: Was two years.
Speaker 4: So then when when I was signed at three hundred,
Speaker 4: like how to deal with Kevin Lyles, then they sold
Speaker 4: three hundred, so that took time off. So now it's
Speaker 4: three years now, you know. So once Warner picked it
Speaker 4: back up again and DNA, which is another my partners
Speaker 4: who I'm with, I started going back again and saying,
Speaker 4: you know what, let me finish the project up. So
Speaker 4: Dynamic Duo comes out December fifth, Dynamic Duel right, volume one,
Speaker 4: and you're spinning on all the records too.
Speaker 1: I'm not ryman, just production this production. So I put
Speaker 1: out mop joints.
Speaker 4: Up I put out a TUPAC and Bigie record first, right,
Speaker 4: that's out now, right, that's out now. And then I
Speaker 4: put out the Red Man that Metamn record out second right.
Speaker 4: Then I put out the Snoop Dogg Nate Dog record
Speaker 4: out too, just snippers of them, oh okay, okay, and
Speaker 4: now I got the the MP coming on the release
Speaker 4: of Friday with a video looks.
Speaker 1: Crazy, crazy, looks crazy.
Speaker 4: This album, I was definitely trying to fill the void
Speaker 4: of hip hop. So it's way before Na's mass appeal
Speaker 4: what he's doing now, you know what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 4: but on this project that's coming December fifth, Dynamic Duos.
Speaker 2: Three days, so it's out now by the time this
Speaker 2: comes out.
Speaker 4: Snoop Dogg, Nate Dog, Helter Skelter, Mob Deep, rhdther Meth
Speaker 4: Dog Pound, Cyprus Hills, ep M D, n uh Ship, Conway,
Speaker 4: the Machine, Lil Wayne, Game, am missing somebody. It's Conwayne,
Speaker 4: who the Conway, Little Wayne and Game is on the
Speaker 4: same record. That's my that's my bonus of volume two.
Speaker 4: I'll be putting other rappers together that making my own
Speaker 4: dynamic duos too.
Speaker 2: You got you got you so but again componing Noriega
Speaker 2: with Smith and Western or something like that No, no,
Speaker 2: it's supposed to be componing Noriega.
Speaker 1: No no, no, like Yellow Group, meaning that taking some
Speaker 1: other rappers that are in the group. It would be.
Speaker 2: But he's thinking that you're putting duels with duals, duels
Speaker 2: with duals.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought. But on the volume two, I
Speaker 1: got Black Star raing ghosts Um componing Jaysa styles me. Hey, Jonna, lie,
Speaker 1: I really wanted to be on this project.
Speaker 2: I really did. I tell you that something what happened.
Speaker 2: I was so busy with this busy. I was so
Speaker 2: busy with this ship that and I told him, I said, yo,
Speaker 2: I said, Volume one is heavy. You see the names.
Speaker 1: I said, listen, I'm like, nigga, you see what I'm
Speaker 1: working with.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna know what you told me. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 3: you what you told me. You said you're gonna regret
Speaker 3: this ship. And I'm here look at you now, right hey,
Speaker 3: But but you know what I'm here right now regret.
Speaker 4: The Volume two is strong because again I got ael
Speaker 4: M J g U g K. So I kind of
Speaker 4: I kind of mixed the fuck, you know on listen, man,
Speaker 4: I was already doing this. I gotta keep saying this
Speaker 4: but you said yes, So I was always listen man.
Speaker 4: I was able to get Sean Price, I was able
Speaker 4: to get new priory vocals. I was able to get
Speaker 4: new knag vocals like I didn't like, this is not
Speaker 4: no ship that you hearing is gonna be like yo,
Speaker 4: we heard that, nah, nigga, this ship. I really put
Speaker 4: this ship together to make sure that I did the
Speaker 4: right thing.
Speaker 1: I was telling Nori, you're gonna regret this ship, nigga
Speaker 1: like yo. But volume two at that strong, he said
Speaker 1: you're gonna and I was just like December fifth Friday.
Speaker 1: And then God bless me for the moment.
Speaker 3: Me and Capone wasn't on the same level, so I
Speaker 3: just didn't want to like I know, and then then
Speaker 3: me a Capone.
Speaker 1: Is so much great right now, we're so you all
Speaker 1: get we all have that. The ep m D almost
Speaker 1: didn't make it so again, I understand, Yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Gotta say this. This this is our last question. Everyone
Speaker 3: thinks it's so like crazy to be like like a
Speaker 3: Wu tang group nine people. People don't understand.
Speaker 1: Two people is just just Lee, just a leeth listen tretching.
Speaker 1: Vinnie don't work no more. Pete rockins CEO, don't work
Speaker 1: no more. You got I'm naming I missing a lot
Speaker 1: of groups.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, not Lord Jamar, even though that there
Speaker 2: were a trio with.
Speaker 1: What's his name.
Speaker 4: It's just people that grand people of the trip, people
Speaker 4: that are doing business. Will we bring we out here
Speaker 4: doing business. There's a lot of people who you would
Speaker 4: never see again because it got so bad, like being
Speaker 4: rock him and you know, you know sometimes it might,
Speaker 4: but again it happens like Norway said, you got to two,
Speaker 4: like you think nine is two?
Speaker 2: People like that that it can I mean, it gets
Speaker 2: like and it's people starting to work at a young
Speaker 2: age and then maturing and grown.
Speaker 1: Now it gets like that, but like you know, we
Speaker 1: all move on and we're doing what we're doing.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie to you. When when I was
Speaker 3: a uh and I was a child kind of like
Speaker 3: when y'all kind of like was breaking up or like
Speaker 3: doing that, I was like, man, what's wrong with these
Speaker 3: two people? And then I went through it myself, and
Speaker 3: I always owed you a policy.
Speaker 1: Always groups, man, no matter what it's a rock group
Speaker 1: is a sustant group. It's always groups. Either somebody break
Speaker 1: off or do their own thing. Just the fact. And
Speaker 1: again I'm gonna say this one thing though too.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know about y'all, but it's always
Speaker 4: got something to do with financials, you know, like somebody
Speaker 4: is not doing the money right. You know, somebody is
Speaker 4: doing and then it could be your fault on my
Speaker 4: fault that I'm not handling my business, so I can't
Speaker 4: fault the other person. It's probably me didn't do the
Speaker 4: right thing. But then you can't have two presidents. Somebody
Speaker 4: have to be the president and somebody has to be
Speaker 4: the other one that you teach, and so when you
Speaker 4: fall back, you.
Speaker 1: Don't get taught.
Speaker 4: You know everything, and somebody else is exceeding, you know.
Speaker 4: So you know, I tell everybody too, this game is
Speaker 4: a fucking business. Do not look at people do not
Speaker 4: like you. The labels don't like you, Your lawyers don't
Speaker 4: like you, your managers don't like you. This shit is
Speaker 4: a business.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying for everybody, but the majority that be key,
Speaker 2: Key and haha.
Speaker 4: Not your friends. They are here for a purpose, they
Speaker 4: have an a Just know that you do shit. Try
Speaker 4: to do shit yourself. Try to get somebody who you know,
Speaker 4: like how you got fn somebody who you trust, but
Speaker 4: do not put your trust in these people because they
Speaker 4: don't give a fuck about you.
Speaker 1: These people are trying to get paid. Period. If I
Speaker 1: would have known that earlier, I probably wouldn't have been way, way,
Speaker 1: way off in that.
Speaker 4: But we all got jerky pause in the beginning. No
Speaker 4: matter what, we all caught it because we don't know.
Speaker 4: The game wasn't built for us. It wasn't made for us.
Speaker 4: It was made for them to do what they had
Speaker 4: to do.
Speaker 1: So just know that, yo, man, I want to thank
Speaker 1: you so much. Man.
Speaker 4: Okay, before I go, did we get anything that's going
Speaker 4: to be able to.
Speaker 1: The fact of everything? No, because I look at that,
Speaker 1: I look at everything. The thing is this is this
Speaker 1: is a live crowd.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is a different This is a different
Speaker 2: We don't do this often, but we're glad we're here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, so guess what bigger big up to everybody
Speaker 3: that's in the crowd. Up to Monster shout Bobby say
Speaker 3: one thing.
Speaker 4: Everybody that's listening, I'm telling you right now, because everybody
Speaker 4: that make beats and that rhyme and that's in the studio,
Speaker 4: it doesn't have to be a habit, y'all.
Speaker 1: Can make money with just the people that follow you.
Speaker 2: Five hundred people who will your community, who are your fans?
Speaker 2: Five hundred people they all pay for you, they're your fans.
Speaker 2: To just know that again, just with one thousand people
Speaker 2: giving you five dollars, it's five grand. Imagine making that
Speaker 2: every month.
Speaker 1: Who makes that? You know what you got to go
Speaker 1: to work for to do that?
Speaker 4: Like to go so imagine these people who are making
Speaker 4: thirty grand a month. It's not a fucking dream. If
Speaker 4: you just take the chance and say, Okay, here's my community,
Speaker 4: I'm about to build them up, and whatever I do,
Speaker 4: they following me. And I'm gonna make sure that I'm
Speaker 4: not doing this just for my just for my health.
Speaker 4: The computer is out there for y'all. The fucking system
Speaker 4: that we do with the web is out there for y'all.
Speaker 4: The platform that you able to get is out there
Speaker 4: for y'all. But you got to look at it and
Speaker 4: just look at it as fuck this other system, fuck
Speaker 4: everything else, fuck trying to be worldwide.
Speaker 1: Take your community and.
Speaker 4: Then and then focus on them, and they would pay
Speaker 4: you as long as you out there period.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: Be a leader, not a follower. Do you want to
Speaker 2: bring my homie up and saying that be a leader,
Speaker 2: not a follower. D One is a is a perfect
Speaker 2: example of that. Oh d One, Yo, I'm so damn
Speaker 2: my bad, you know. Uh, I'm gonna say this. I'm
Speaker 2: so much of a fan of you.
Speaker 3: I'm so much a fan of your positivity, right because
Speaker 3: I wake up like you and.
Speaker 1: I've become somebody else, a monster.
Speaker 2: Afterwards, it wakes up Victor turns into Noriega.
Speaker 1: Damn wow. But but what I want to tell you
Speaker 1: is how much you mean.
Speaker 3: You're really a positive brother, and you really like like,
Speaker 3: you really like talk to the people. So I just
Speaker 3: want to, like, I just want to, I just want
Speaker 3: you to do Holy shit, Look, that's the devil.
Speaker 1: That's the devil. Yeah, it's definitely the devil.
Speaker 5: Because a man of guard is in a building right now.
Speaker 1: You heard me make some noise. If you got loved
Speaker 1: for God, you heard me. Yeah. And you're from New Orleans.
Speaker 1: I'm from that five oh four all day you heard
Speaker 1: me listen all day.
Speaker 3: You probably from I'm sorry, you're probably from the worst
Speaker 3: hood ever.
Speaker 5: But lead ad, I mean, we're from the We were
Speaker 5: truly from a place where you're an underdog from the
Speaker 5: time you're born in New Orleans, you feel me you're
Speaker 5: an underdog from the time you're born. With that being said, man,
Speaker 5: I made it out because I kept God first in
Speaker 5: my life. But I did something very simple, y'all. We
Speaker 5: all have a slingshot, right. Y'all know David defeated Goliath.
Speaker 5: You know the story that David and Goliath that you go,
Speaker 5: David defeated Goliath using the what a slingshot?
Speaker 1: In life?
Speaker 5: Everybody has a slingshot, and we all got to figure
Speaker 5: out what's our slingshot.
Speaker 1: What's your gift, what's your passion.
Speaker 5: What's that gift that you could use to defeat the
Speaker 5: goliaths in your life?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: So I recognize that the goliaths in my life like racism,
Speaker 5: like poverty, like discrimination, hatred.
Speaker 1: All these things. Man, hip hop is my slingshot.
Speaker 5: So I gotta figure out how could I use hip
Speaker 5: hop and use this powerful platform to defeat all the
Speaker 5: demons in this world. And that's why we can't be
Speaker 5: making a hip hop that's making it sound.
Speaker 1: Cool to murder your fellow black man. We can't be
Speaker 1: making hip.
Speaker 5: Hop that's making it sound cool to sell dope to
Speaker 5: your community. You feel me, we can't be making hip
Speaker 5: hop that's making it sound cool to disrespect women, But
Speaker 5: then we turn around and call them queens. That don't
Speaker 5: make sense. We cry when rappers die, but we love
Speaker 5: when they glorify murder when they're alive, and it don't
Speaker 5: make sense. So I don't mind going against the grain
Speaker 5: because David was the underdog. You heard me, So me
Speaker 5: being the underdog in this rap game. I'm gonna do
Speaker 5: it my way. I'm not gonna curse in my music.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna keep God first and everything I do, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna stand on business if I gotta disagree with people
Speaker 5: at sometime.
Speaker 1: Rick Ross's people like that. I love you, but I
Speaker 1: squashed it. There you go.
Speaker 5: I love you, but I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 5: Jim Jones, we squashed it, you heard me. Meek mill
Speaker 5: Is love you a Meek.
Speaker 1: I remember you're squashing it as well.
Speaker 5: But it's okay if you disagree sometimes as long as
Speaker 5: the reason why you're disagreeing is because you're trying to grow.
Speaker 1: At the end, you feel me, Yeah.
Speaker 3: What, yes, But I didn't know you will be here
Speaker 3: because had I knew you to have been here how
Speaker 3: to get you your flowers as well?
Speaker 1: Oh man, I could come back. I could this.
Speaker 3: You deserve this, man. I wake up online and I
Speaker 3: look forward to your messages. I look forward to what
Speaker 3: you're saying. I look forward, Dang, I look forward like
Speaker 3: I look, I look, I look, I look. I'll be like,
Speaker 3: all right, cool, that's what I want to hear. And
Speaker 3: you know I grew up being against the rapper, right,
Speaker 3: that's what they called me.
Speaker 1: Right, That's not who I want to be. Come on,
Speaker 1: talk your talk, man.
Speaker 3: That's not who I want to industry. Don't want to
Speaker 3: be there. That's not who I want to be. And
Speaker 3: when I look at your messages and I look at
Speaker 3: your positivity, and I look at how you are addressing
Speaker 3: our community, I always love that you think you you
Speaker 3: think you maybe you thought you thought you wanted to
Speaker 3: meet me today. I wanted to meet you today.
Speaker 5: Lord have mercy man, all glory to God.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you one thing too, I could have. I
Speaker 2: could have signed D one. You've been fucking up. Hey,
Speaker 2: you ain't signed nobody? You better you better hurry out?
Speaker 1: No, no better, hurry up? Signed D one?
Speaker 4: I met D one on the podcast right how many
Speaker 4: years ago, two years ago, two years ago he got here,
Speaker 4: he had two thousand followers, wow wow, and now he
Speaker 4: got almost a million. So so everybody can say that
Speaker 4: they don't want to hear what he's saying, but how the.
Speaker 1: Fuck did he get them? Followers?
Speaker 2: Happening because but hind closed doors, everybody wants to be
Speaker 2: on this side, but they don't want to show it
Speaker 2: because it's not I don't want to switch. Is not
Speaker 2: cool to talk about that, but he Norwich. I was
Speaker 2: just about to say that any words, but I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna say that word.
Speaker 1: But you know what I'm gonna tell you. We all
Speaker 1: need you, yet the game does nah. Hear me the
Speaker 1: fuck out. We all need you. That's why me squashed
Speaker 1: it with you. That's why I raw squashed it with you.
Speaker 3: That's why everybody because after you, you hear your plight
Speaker 3: and you hear your story, it makes sense, makes sense,
Speaker 3: So continue to do what the fuck you doing?
Speaker 1: The new Juvenile singles out right. Oh yeah, I'm.
Speaker 5: Featured on Juvenile new single yeah me and man in
Speaker 5: Fresh Yeah, and I got a new single out feature
Speaker 5: of Boosy and I got a new single out.
Speaker 1: Feature of Fredo Bang we're shooting.
Speaker 5: The video tomorrow, and man, it is no and I
Speaker 5: don't even know if I'm allowed to say this yet
Speaker 5: say it, oh man, say it? No, I legally, I
Speaker 5: don't know if I'm allowed to say it. Nor you're
Speaker 5: about to give me in trouble man, Sorry, hey man,
Speaker 5: Just know that I'm also a.
Speaker 1: Professor college professor as well. Hear man for that.
Speaker 5: And I need yeah, yeah, I need y'all to know
Speaker 5: that Norriid just did something that changed my life forever.
Speaker 5: He is an og in the game who has the
Speaker 5: power to change people's lives by co signing it. Most
Speaker 5: people will be a fan of you behind closed doors,
Speaker 5: but secretly they're secretly selfish, so they don't want to
Speaker 5: change somebody's life. Norwidy chose to pull me from the
Speaker 5: side of the stage and come up here and change
Speaker 5: my life by giving me his co sign right here.
Speaker 5: Pop is changing, right now, hip hop is changing. You
Speaker 5: will get left behind if you want to hold on
Speaker 5: to the old way of doing things, robbing the artists,
Speaker 5: glorifying murder, glorifying drug dealing, disrespecting women. We are all
Speaker 5: a work in progress. We're all trying to grow. But
Speaker 5: if you're not trying to grow like Norry is, like
Speaker 5: EFN is, like e sermon is like d one is.
Speaker 5: You're gonna get left behind. Make some noise, man, let's go.
Speaker 1: I know I know my wife. I know my wife
Speaker 1: his head somewhere.
Speaker 3: And Angie Martinez told me, she said, you should promote
Speaker 3: this more, right, But I have never spent the night
Speaker 3: out ever, not once. My wife is I don't know
Speaker 3: where she at. She better she better step up something, right, right,
Speaker 3: But I've never spent And I don't know how to
Speaker 3: promote being a loyal man. I don't know how to
Speaker 3: promote because that there's no platform for that. There's no
Speaker 3: platform for that. You have never you have never heard
Speaker 3: that like So I said that to Anngie Martinez, and
Speaker 3: Antie Martinez is like, yo, you have to start promoting that.
Speaker 3: My wife is there somewhere, and I know she, I
Speaker 3: know she, I know she she happy. I know she
Speaker 3: gotta be because you know why you read the truth. Yes,
Speaker 3: it's the truth.
Speaker 1: No, I have never spent the night out, not once,
Speaker 1: not once in my whole time of being with her.
Speaker 1: That girl love her like that, the women I love
Speaker 1: that like that.
Speaker 3: So but again, let me just end this with this,
Speaker 3: like I really respect you. I respect you. I know
Speaker 3: what you're doing and I want you to continue to
Speaker 3: do it. Eric Sherman, you my you, my brother, brother, brother, brother, brother, brother, brother,
Speaker 3: brother brother.
Speaker 1: I moved to Miami because of you. I don't like
Speaker 1: it like you did. I feel like you did. I
Speaker 1: feel anyway. Let's go, So everybody here. I love y'all.
Speaker 1: Thank y'all for coming here, y'all for coming out mansa
Speaker 1: monster monster, Thank y'all. Every gonna come out there. Drink
Speaker 1: with y'all.
Speaker 2: Take no, let's take a picture right here with everybody
Speaker 2: behind us, Let's go, Let's do it.
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