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Speaker 1: We are going to read emails. We're going to do

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Speaker 1: many things still on the world famous Jesse Kelly Show,

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Speaker 1: but we're not doing any of those things right now.

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Speaker 1: You ever thought about gouging out somebody's eye? What, Chris,

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Speaker 1: It's part of this story we're about to tell is

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Speaker 1: an eye gouging thing. I can't stop thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: It was one of the parts of the Bible that

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Speaker 1: used to fay fascinate me when I was a kid,

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Speaker 1: because I was a big Samson fan, because you know,

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Speaker 1: he and I have a lot in common. But Samson,

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Speaker 1: when they Philistines got him, they gouged out his eyes

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Speaker 1: or burnt out his eyes. I don't know. I heard

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Speaker 1: that occupied a lot of my thinking when I was

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Speaker 1: a child. Why Chris, because it's sick and it's gruesome,

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Speaker 1: and I want to know how they did it, and

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Speaker 1: I want to know how bad it hurt, and I

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Speaker 1: want to do it to you. So no, I'm just kidding,

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Speaker 1: but gouging out people's eyes is terrible, and it's part

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Speaker 1: of our story. We talk about politics, the degradation of

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Speaker 1: our politics. We look at all the idiots and losers

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Speaker 1: who run our country now and I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: lie and say it's good, but I think every now

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Speaker 1: and then maybe some perspective on real ugliness at the

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Speaker 1: highest levels of power, how ugly it can get. You

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Speaker 1: want to talk a little bit about Nero, You want

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Speaker 1: to talk about Nero and branding. To stay with me here, Nero.

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Speaker 1: I know you know who Nero was. You're probably going

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Speaker 1: you know who Nero was. He was a Roman emperor.

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Speaker 1: Remember the Roman Empire. It's not how Rome began. Rome

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Speaker 1: and those types. Even if you don't know anything about

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Speaker 1: any of these people, that's what you know about but

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Speaker 1: Rome was originally a republic run by the Senate, and

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Speaker 1: then through a long list of things that we've discussed

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Speaker 1: many times on the show, Rome ended up well, where

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Speaker 1: we're going to be here in the time of Nero.

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Speaker 1: Rome ended up being run by one man, an emperor. Now,

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Speaker 1: who is Nero? Where'd all this stuff come from? Okay,

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Speaker 1: so let's do just a little bit of background on Nero.

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Speaker 1: Something you know about Nero, I'm going to shoot a

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Speaker 1: right now. Yes, he was very very bad human being

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Speaker 1: with there there are some things about Nero that have

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Speaker 1: there's another part of Rome. Honestly, Chris jokes aside, there's

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Speaker 1: another part of Rome. You should understand. The religious aspect

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Speaker 1: Nero's life later on. Anyone who knows the history will

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Speaker 1: understand a little bit of why. But the religious aspect

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Speaker 1: were created by the state to serve the state. That's

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Speaker 1: a great way to test your religious beliefs. Do they

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Speaker 1: So it's a great way to test your belief system. Well,

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Speaker 1: We know their God. They consider him above Nero, above

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Speaker 1: the Nero thing. Nero was part of the Julius Caesar line.

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Speaker 1: It's known as the Julio Claudian dynasty. Don't worry about that.

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Speaker 1: That's nerding out on details. History nerds will nerd out

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Speaker 1: the line of emperors. Back to Caesar Augustus. Who's Caesar

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Speaker 1: Augustus again, don't worry about memorizing all this. Caesar Augustus

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Speaker 1: His mother, Nero's mother was actually the descendant of Augustus.

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Speaker 1: it's crazy, it's funny, it's hawful. There are a bunch

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Speaker 1: We talk a lot about our Kennedys here in the

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Speaker 1: say so. I would say so, wow, that sounds pretty cool. Wow,

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Speaker 1: Nero's uncle was Caligula. There's only three names you need

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Speaker 2: It is the Jesse Kelly Show on A or A.

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Speaker 1: I almost sad a Tuesday on a Wednesday. I remember.

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Speaker 1: You can email the show Jesse at Jesse Kellyshow dot com.

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Speaker 1: We're discussing some history now, in fact, we're discussing Nero.

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Speaker 1: uncle was Caligula. Don't worry about that. But his mother

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Speaker 1: just a moment. Before we do that, all this Roman

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Speaker 2: It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: I hope Dave. Remember. You can email the show Jesse

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna delete all those because I'm gonna keep

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Speaker 1: doing it whenever I feel like it. All right back

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Speaker 1: to our history. We're talking about Nero. We're setting aside

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Speaker 1: politics for a little while. Today. We're doing some Nero talk.

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Speaker 1: Nero just took power. He's now the young Emperor. He's

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Speaker 1: sixteen years old. He took power in large part, honestly

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent because of his mother, Agrippina, who managed

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Speaker 1: to poison and slither her way into power, gets yourself

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Speaker 1: right next to the emperor, kills him too, allegedly, and

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Speaker 1: now Nero takes over. Now let's pause on all that

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Speaker 1: and talk about the Praetorian Guard quickly. We already talked

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Speaker 1: about the Petorian Guard. Roam didn't allow arms inside the city,

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Speaker 1: no military units inside the city. So the Praetorian Guard

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Speaker 1: was created to protect the emperor and enforce some things

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Speaker 1: inside the city. But this, of course, look, it goes

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Speaker 1: to the my and said of the average American communists today,

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Speaker 1: it's just a lack of understanding about power. I should say,

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Speaker 1: you're liberal and peggy when she talks about guns, get

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Speaker 1: the guns off the street. It's just a lack of

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Speaker 1: understanding about power. You see, you banished all the guns,

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Speaker 1: you banished all the swords, and then you created a unit,

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Speaker 1: and they're the only ones that have swords and spears. Well,

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Speaker 1: they're the only ones with power. Then instead of everyone

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Speaker 1: having power, they're the ones with the true power. It's

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Speaker 1: like that story I told you a little while ago

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Speaker 1: about these uber rich guys who are creating bunkers for themselves,

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Speaker 1: apocalypse bunkers, and they're hiring a bunch of merks, Navy

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Speaker 1: seals and these types to go work security for it.

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Speaker 1: You don't have a bunker. The Navy seal team you

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Speaker 1: hired has a bunker, and they're just gonna shoot you

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Speaker 1: in the face the second the apocalypse comes and throw

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Speaker 1: your body in a ditch. And now they have all

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Speaker 1: your supplies. That's how that works, that's how power actually works. Well,

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Speaker 1: the Petorian Guard looked around one day and they figured out,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, we're the only ones with swords and

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Speaker 1: shields and spears. We can do whatever we want. The

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Speaker 1: Praetorian Guard wasn't some secret service style police force. They

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Speaker 1: were the sword of the Roman elite now, and you

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Speaker 1: had to buy them off. Agrippina's mother bought off the

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Speaker 1: head of the Petorian Guard. Now you're young, Nero, Sure

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Speaker 1: you're sixteen, you're inexperienced. Sure, there's a lot of people

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Speaker 1: who are angry about how you got to the throne,

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Speaker 1: Did mom kill Claudius? What's going on there? But really

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Speaker 1: the question is what you're gonna do about it? Because

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Speaker 1: you have the praetorian guard with you. So Nero has

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Speaker 1: the pretorian guard with him. He also has You don't

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Speaker 1: have to memorize this name. I don't want to give

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Speaker 1: you too many names. I don't like doing that. But

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Speaker 1: maybe you're a detail in there. The name would matter.

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Speaker 1: Seneca was his name. Who was Seneca? Uh? A philosopher

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Speaker 1: is the best way I could put it. But when

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Speaker 1: I say philosopher, I didn't want to put it that

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Speaker 1: way because that sounds so unimportant to us today. A

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Speaker 1: philosopher all who gives a crap? Can you name me

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Speaker 1: a single modern philosopher? That's just it doesn't It doesn't

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Speaker 1: drive home for you or for me how important that

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Speaker 1: was back then. Seneca was a really, really, really big

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Speaker 1: deal back then. A Uh Oprah, No Oprah. Obviously everyone

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Speaker 1: knows who Oprah is. I don't like Oprah, She's a

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Speaker 1: dirty comy whatever, but everyone knows who Oprah is. And

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Speaker 1: let's be honest. She may not matter to you or

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Speaker 1: matter to me personally, but when Oprah says jump, there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of people who say how high. Because

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Speaker 1: of the level of influence she has. Seneca's endorsement was

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Speaker 1: Oprah's endorsement. That's the best way I can describe it.

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Speaker 1: It was a big deal that Nero had Seneca and

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Speaker 1: Nero had the Praetorian Guard. What that essentially gave Nero

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Speaker 1: was control of power. He had the philosopher one that

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Speaker 1: people loved. He had the Praetorian Guard. Now Nero begins

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Speaker 1: to rule. How involved was Agrippina. Well, I'll put it

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Speaker 1: to you this way. Emperors had a habit of minting

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Speaker 1: their own coins with their own faces on it. That's awesome, Chris,

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Speaker 1: we need to do that for the show. But the

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Speaker 1: emperors had a habit of minting their own coins with

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Speaker 1: their own faces on them, and the Roman Republic was

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Speaker 1: quite old by this point in time. Up to this point,

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Speaker 1: no woman had ever been pictured on the same side

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Speaker 1: of the coin as a man, certainly not the emperor,

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Speaker 1: but ever, that had never happened in the history of Rome.

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Speaker 1: You can go look them up right now. Agrippina Nero coins.

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Speaker 1: They were the first ones they minted. Where she's sitting there,

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Speaker 1: Her face is just as large as he is, on

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Speaker 1: the same side of the new coins they minted. This

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Speaker 1: is a woman. She didn't just saunter into power and

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Speaker 1: then say, ah, I'm so proud of my boy. No,

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Speaker 1: she was knee deep involved, all right, so her end

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Speaker 1: is magnificent. I should note. I'll get to that in

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Speaker 1: a moment. Nero, what's he do right away? Well, he

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Speaker 1: has Seneca in his corner. Seneca was, by my reading,

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Speaker 1: you never know, it's two thousand years ago, a pretty

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Speaker 1: solid human being who had really solid ideas of what

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Speaker 1: done for the people, how an emperor should act. And

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who give him credit

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Speaker 1: for what I'm about to say next. But you want

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Speaker 1: to hear something, something you never heard about Nero before

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Speaker 1: the first five years of Nero's reign takes over at

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Speaker 1: sixteen might be the best five years of any five

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Speaker 1: year period in the history of the Roman emp He

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Speaker 1: was that incredible, insanely popular. He gets in there immediately

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Speaker 1: and he's doing things that He's cutting taxes. This is

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Speaker 1: a sixteen year old boy. He just took over as emperor.

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Speaker 1: He starts giving power back to the Senate. He starts

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Speaker 1: giving up his power, giving power back to the Senate.

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Speaker 1: He walks in, he ends capital punishment. Oh, here's this

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Speaker 1: one for Nero. Look, we all think he's the Antichrist, right,

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Speaker 1: here's this one for Nero slaves. You know what Roman

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Speaker 1: slavery was like or what it could be like. We

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Speaker 1: all talk about the salt mines and how to terrible

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Speaker 1: was and that was part of it for sure. But

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Speaker 1: you could also, as a slave in Rome, have a

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Speaker 1: life of a rich person. Essentially, you'd be a tutor

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Speaker 1: of a senator's son, probably live a life of luxury,

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Speaker 1: wonderful foods, you know. So we could run the gamut.

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Speaker 1: It could be the worst existence in the history of

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Speaker 1: You're you're practically a stepbrother in the house, you know that.

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Speaker 1: So we could run the gamut. But Nero, freaking Nero,

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Speaker 1: you know, the guy who fiddled while Rome burned. Will

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Speaker 1: come back to that. Nero expanded slaves rights, had a

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Speaker 1: heart for slaves again. First five years went well, ah,

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Speaker 1: then it then it kind of went sideways. Hang on,