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Speaker 1: Please welcome to the stage all forever.

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Speaker 2: Vice President Kamala Harad.

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Speaker 3: Good evening, good afternoon, good evening, Thank you all, Thank

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Speaker 3: you all for taking the time to be with us

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Speaker 3: this afternoon. And Charlamagne, thanks.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's happy hour. We should be drinking or something

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Speaker 2: we should have. We should have more than water in

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Speaker 2: these cups. How are you feeling?

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Speaker 3: I am well. Thank you for asking. It's good to

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Speaker 3: be back in Birmingham. It really is who It was

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Speaker 3: important to me to come back here and well, I

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Speaker 3: love you back, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: It being on the book top, I don't know what.

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Speaker 2: We can't understand what you just said. Being on the

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Speaker 2: book tour, I feel like being back out on the

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Speaker 3: It's different, but it's good to be out and talking

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Speaker 3: with folks and most of all, listening to folks. It's

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Speaker 3: similar in terms of it's a pretty intense schedule, but

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Speaker 3: not nearly as intense as one hundred and seven days,

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Speaker 3: and it's a different time. We got a lot to

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Speaker 1: Lots to talk about. Well, you know, I loved one

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Speaker 1: hundred and seven days.

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Speaker 2: And the reason I loved one hundred and seven days

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Speaker 2: is because I just love honesty, you know, and it

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Speaker 2: felt like, you know, you got a lot off of

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Speaker 2: your chest, a lot of things that you've been wanting

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Speaker 2: to say, but I guess I couldn't say you decided

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Speaker 2: to say in the book.

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Speaker 1: Was that a hard process?

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Speaker 3: So writing the book was a process of reflection for me,

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Speaker 3: and I tend to be very task oriented, and especially

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Speaker 3: in those hundred and seven days. You know, my prayer

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Speaker 3: every night was God, please let me have done everything

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Speaker 3: I could have done in that day, and thank you.

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Speaker 3: And then of course the election happened, and then after

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Speaker 3: that I certified the election January sixth. That was a

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Speaker 3: very difficult day. I write about that, and then the inauguration.

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Speaker 3: And before the inauguration, actually Doug and I, my husband

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Speaker 3: and I were packing up DC to go back home

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Speaker 3: under a mandatory evacuation from our house in LA. We

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Speaker 3: and the election was on the I mean, the inauguration

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Speaker 3: All of that to say, there really was not much

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Speaker 3: time for reflection for me. And then when I got back,

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Speaker 3: it was about literally and figuratively unpacking, and there was

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Speaker 3: a lot to unpack. And I decided to write about

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Speaker 3: the one hundred and seven days and to reflect in

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Speaker 3: a way I had not allowed myself before. And the

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Speaker 3: reflection is about the joys. It's about the ups, the downs,

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Speaker 3: the reflection around how I would have done some things differently.

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Speaker 3: But also I write the book with the hopes that

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Speaker 3: we all will remember the optimism and the feeling of

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Speaker 3: the possibilities for our country. Dare I say the joy

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Speaker 3: that we will remember that in a way that reminds

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Speaker 3: us it's in us. It's in each of us, and

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Speaker 3: we cannot let the outcome of one election or one

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Speaker 3: light in ourselves, in each other, to shine a light

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Speaker 3: understand that it is worth it because we love our

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Speaker 2: Have been have you been shocked by the reaction to

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Speaker 2: the book, because you know, I've heard people say, oh,

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Speaker 2: it's just a book full of excuses, But I'm like, well,

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Speaker 2: did you read it? Because the person that you hold

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Speaker 3: If you ask me, well, I listen. I believe in

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Speaker 3: speaking truth, and I do talk about, for example, certain

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Speaker 3: I didn't write the book for the pundits, and frankly

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Speaker 3: to be candid. I do believe that God will judge us,

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Speaker 2: You write about finding your own voice during those hundred

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Speaker 2: and seven days. What parts of you felt silenced while

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Speaker 2: you were serving as vice president.

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Speaker 3: Can not find my voice. I always had my voice,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't lost. But I was vice president, I was

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Speaker 3: not president, and it's the first time in my elected

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Speaker 3: But the reality of it is during the campaign those

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Speaker 3: a lot of what I do believe is important about

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Speaker 3: talking about the needs of the American people in a

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Speaker 3: things I've reflected on, for example, is that we did

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Speaker 3: would have done some things differently. For example, we did

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Speaker 3: if I had to do it again and do it differently,

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Speaker 3: I would have first done the family piece that was

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Speaker 3: about extension of the child tax credit, paid family leave,

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Speaker 3: affordable childcare. I would have done that first. Putting money

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Speaker 3: And that's why in the one hundred and seven days,

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Speaker 3: I prioritize just exactly that. So my priority in one

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Speaker 3: My priority was around getting homeowners or potential homeowners down

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I never understood, and we talked about this before, like,

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Speaker 2: But Democrats are never able to message that to the

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Speaker 3: Why, well, that's a broad statement, Charlmayne. I mean I

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Speaker 3: think that, but to your point, I will say this,

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Speaker 3: I do believe that when we reflect on where we are,

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Speaker 3: the election in twenty four you know, one third of

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Speaker 3: to do to connect and allow people to know their

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Speaker 3: voice is important and a priority. The other piece of

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Speaker 3: to reconcile it all, I would suggest that part of

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Speaker 3: number one issue. Now, he did not tell the truth.

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Speaker 3: There are young children here, so I'll say it that way.

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Speaker 3: He did not tell the truth.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of kids in him.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's kind of the mad nae.

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Speaker 2: By eight o'clock show. Will you should have came to

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Speaker 3: And and and and as and as evident with the

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Speaker 3: the truth. But when we try to reconcile the differences

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Speaker 3: subsection of who did vote other than differently than we did. Why.

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Speaker 3: And the other piece that I would ask us to

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Speaker 3: And I didn't say that a different set of facts

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Speaker 3: And I do believe again, part of why I wrote

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Speaker 3: figure out today in the future. Part of one of

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Speaker 3: the biggest challenges to our democracy is mis and disinformation.

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Speaker 3: Which is rampant and is everywhere, And how do we

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Speaker 3: That's part of the work we need to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if people just don't know what to

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Speaker 3: I think that's part of it.

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Speaker 2: And how do you how do you direct people to say, hey, no,

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Speaker 2: this is actually the truth. Because everybody, even when they're

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Speaker 3: I think some people are telling lies and they know

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Speaker 3: they're telling lies, they do, and they're doing it to

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Speaker 3: part of this, you know what I'm saying, right, Well.

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Speaker 1: Damn, what are they doing in the dark?

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Speaker 2: Because I swear everything they're doing in the lights seems crazy?

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Speaker 3: Well you know that, but you know, but but you're

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Speaker 3: so Okay, here's why we need to understand. We're not

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Speaker 3: the crazy ones. Okay, it's the matinee. So here's the thing,

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Speaker 3: that this is one of the most corrupt, callous, and

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Speaker 3: incompetent presidents of the United States we've ever had. And

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Speaker 3: part of what they're attempting to do is to suggest,

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Speaker 3: which is about gas lighting and scapegoating, that it is

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Speaker 3: They're basically saying to people, you have less because of

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Speaker 3: and dare I say, it's certainly unconstitutional behaviors that are

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Speaker 3: about a few people amassing and centralizing power to the

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Speaker 3: exclusion of the whole. They are working against the best

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Speaker 1: Right by the way, I loved Kamala Harris. I mean

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Speaker 2: How much how much of Kamala Harris in this book

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like the Democratic Party truly supported your

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Speaker 2: The that's literally the only thing that like like for me,

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Speaker 2: have they actually read the book? Because in the book

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Speaker 2: you called Biden's comments on Gaza inadequate and forced. What

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Speaker 2: word would you use to describe the administration's role in

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Speaker 2: that moment?

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Speaker 3: I firmly believe we could have done more. We had

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Speaker 3: a certain level of leverage that we did not exercise.

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Speaker 3: Whether it was about what we did in terms of

445
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Speaker 3: supplying support at what level? It about what about speaking

446
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 3: publicly about what we knew to be wrong? I think

447
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Speaker 3: we could have done more and should have.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever feel complicit in decisions as right? Did

449
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Speaker 2: you ever feel complicit in decisions that went against your conscience?

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Speaker 3: I the people in the administration were very clear about

451
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Speaker 3: how it felt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you wrote that Net and Yahoo wanted Trump in

453
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Speaker 2: the seat across from him, not you, not Joe. So

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Speaker 2: what do you think that's said about how foreign leaders

455
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Speaker 2: really view, you know, the current administration and the Biden administration.

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Speaker 3: I think, and I again, for the sake of repetition,

457
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Speaker 3: I predicted it, and it's exactly what we're saying. I

458
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 3: said on the debate stage, they one are laughing at us.

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Speaker 3: If you look at it in the context of, again

460
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Speaker 3: a disgraceful speech that the president gave before the United Nations.

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Speaker 3: He did it when he was president the first time,

462
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Speaker 3: and again was disgraceful. You look at it in terms

463
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Speaker 3: of the whole flattery or favor. He accepted a plane,

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Speaker 3: the president of the United States, from a foreign government.

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Speaker 3: Remember we all learned back in the day, what is

466
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Speaker 3: a trojan horse? Some people might call it a jet plane.

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Speaker 3: I'd call it a trojan horse. And let me tell

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Speaker 3: you something. I spent four years flying around the world

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Speaker 3: on Air Force two and taking very important, highly classified

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Speaker 3: meetings with the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of State, generals

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Speaker 3: and others in an environment on that plane that was

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Speaker 3: highly protected for those classified conversations, because you can only

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Speaker 3: imagine how much foreign governments want to have access to

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Speaker 3: our classified information which we possess in the best interest

475
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Speaker 3: of our national security. And this man wants a big

476
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Speaker 3: plane so bad because you know, his plane is not

477
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Speaker 3: that big, that Trump plane, and he wants it so

478
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 3: he can have it when he's out of office. They

479
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 3: talk about giving it to the library. You know who's

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Speaker 3: going to be flying around on that plane. And this

481
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Speaker 3: is on top of remember early on they were using

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Speaker 3: Signal Charlemagne to plan out war plans. We would get

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Speaker 3: ourselves out of bed in the middle of the night,

484
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Speaker 3: all of us wherever we were to go to what

485
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Speaker 3: it was called what it's called a skiff, which is

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Speaker 3: a secure facility, or go to the situation room to

487
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Speaker 3: have those conversations. These people are so lazy that they're

488
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Speaker 3: sitting back texting each other about war plans, and then

489
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Speaker 3: so dumb to not know a reporter as in the

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Speaker 3: tax chain.

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Speaker 5: With our national security interests at stake, And if it

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Speaker 5: weren't so incredibly harmful, it would be the thing of

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Speaker 5: a great comedy sketch.

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Speaker 1: It will be any but it's extre.

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Speaker 3: And this is the thing about having people who don't

496
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Speaker 3: fully appreciate the strength and power and therefore solemn responsibility

497
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Speaker 3: that comes with these issus that it is not about them,

498
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 3: It is about you, It is about us. It is

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Speaker 3: about we the people. And that is what is so tragic.

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Speaker 3: Put aside personalities, put aside egos or lack thereof, the

501
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 3: matters that we are discussing are such a grave and

502
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Speaker 3: important nature that to have people who do not understand

503
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Speaker 3: the that they possess the power in the public trust

504
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: and to instead be convinced of their personal entitlement is

505
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 3: so incredibly dangerous to who we are as a country. Well,

506
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Speaker 3: let's save each other. That we're here to save each other.

507
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 3: We are doing this together. We have midterms coming up,

508
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 3: and we have local, state, and federal elections, and this

509
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 3: is a time for us we cannot afford to. Let's

510
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 3: never let anybody take our power from us. Let's never

511
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 3: let anybody or situation take our power from us. It

512
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 3: is ours. And whether it is just read or amping

513
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Speaker 3: up the engagement with our friends, our neighbors, our cousins

514
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Speaker 3: and play cousins, whether it be what we do to

515
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Speaker 3: you know, be more active in our church or where

516
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 3: we pray, whether it be to get more involved in

517
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 3: nonprofit organizations which are so thinly spread right now, and

518
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 3: being attacked by this administration, and then and then being

519
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 3: a part of whether it be peaceful protests or or

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00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 3: getting involved in the next election cycle. Let's not seed

521
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Speaker 3: our power. Let's not seed our power, because then they win.

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Speaker 3: We cannot let our spirit be defeated. Then they win.

523
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 3: So that's the charge for us. All We will get

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Speaker 3: through this, but I cannot guarantee it won't get worse

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Speaker 3: before it gets better. Right, So let's be clear eyed.

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Speaker 1: How much worse do you think it could get?

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Speaker 3: I mean, God only knows every day, something is happening

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Speaker 3: every single day, and so I don't know how much

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Speaker 3: worse it can get. But we should assume it's going

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Speaker 3: to get worse, and maybe much worse. And so let's

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Speaker 3: be braced to some extent. And then But the other

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Speaker 3: thing that is so critically important for us and for

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Speaker 3: the young people in our lives is to not allow

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Speaker 3: them to have us normalize this. There is nothing normal

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Speaker 3: about what is happening right now. Nothing normal.

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Speaker 2: That is a great point, But I mean a lot

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Speaker 2: of these young people don't have anything else to compare

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Speaker 2: it to. So that's the scariest part, right, like this

539
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Speaker 2: is their normal. They may just accept it as such.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and that's where we have a collective responsibility

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Speaker 3: to help them know otherwise. I've just met with a

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Speaker 3: young group of brilliant young people here in Birmingham this

543
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 3: afternoon and you know, they were talking with me, for example,

544
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Speaker 3: about the fact that their main source of information is online.

545
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 3: They're not really read they're not reading legacy media at all.

546
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 3: They're not reading the paper, whether it be online or otherwise.

547
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 3: Most of what they are also receiving is video. But

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Speaker 3: good for them, and they were between about age eighteen

549
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Speaker 3: and twenty two, and they are This was something that

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Speaker 3: again my optimism. They know that they are being fed

551
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Speaker 3: information that is for a large part inaccurate. They know it,

552
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Speaker 3: and so what they're asking is where can they go

553
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Speaker 3: for accurate information? And that's the charge that each of

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00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 3: us has, right And then it is you know, whether

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Speaker 3: it be what we're reading, whether it be Associated Press,

556
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Speaker 3: New York Times, other what we have. You know, those

557
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Speaker 3: of us of an older generation were not let's say

558
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Speaker 3: gen Z. That's where we have an added responsibility, as

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Speaker 3: we always will have to those who are coming up,

560
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Speaker 3: to share with them our knowledge not only about fact

561
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Speaker 3: but also history, especially when there are full on attacks

562
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Speaker 3: to rewrite history and revise history according to their perspective

563
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Speaker 3: on what we should be teaching.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I want to go back to Palatine for one second,

565
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Speaker 2: because you said something in the book, and I've been

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Speaker 2: wanting to ask you just how did you emotionally reconcile

567
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Speaker 2: working in an administration that, in your words, didn't fully

568
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Speaker 2: express empathy for Palestinians.

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Speaker 3: It was very difficult. I mean I so I was

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Speaker 3: in conversations where, for example, you know that five months

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Speaker 3: into the war, I gave a speech at the foot

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Speaker 3: of the Edmund Pettis Bridge on the commemoration of Bloody Sunday,

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Speaker 3: and I write about this. I gave a speech and

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Speaker 3: I was the first at the highest level of our

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Speaker 3: administration to talk about the fact that Palestinians were starving,

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Speaker 3: and it was not received well within the White House

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Speaker 3: that I did that I spoke of ceasefire months. This

578
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:03,479
Speaker 3: was a year and a half ago at least, and

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Speaker 3: I I couldn't not speak about it as much as

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Speaker 3: I could but I was not president. I would be

581
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Speaker 3: in conversations where, for example, about the starvation issued. You know,

582
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Speaker 3: early on it became very clear that there was no

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Speaker 3: running water or clean water, and then people would start

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Speaker 3: and this was when Israel it was allowing the government

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Speaker 3: of Israel. Let me say, the government of Israel was

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Speaker 3: allowing humanitarian aid and I would say, look, so they

587
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Speaker 3: would talk about this many tons of flour and I

588
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 3: literally said in one of the meetings, look, I cook.

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Speaker 3: So let me tell you, you can't do a thing

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Speaker 3: with flower if you don't have water. So what are

591
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 3: we talking about in terms of what are they actually eating?

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Speaker 3: To be very specific about it, I asked, like, what

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Speaker 3: are women doing around their monthly needs?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 3: And you know, and usually it was a room full

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Speaker 3: of men who don't have never experienced monthly needs in

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Speaker 3: that way.

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Speaker 1: I would hope not that would be different.

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Speaker 3: Well, but you understand my point. So it was. It was.

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Speaker 3: It was very challenging.

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Speaker 2: Is that one of the most challenging things when you

602
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: know you have all of these people out here who

603
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 2: believe in you and want to support you, and they

604
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Speaker 2: don't know what it is you're doing behind the scenes,

605
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Speaker 2: like behind the scenes, you're having these fights, behind the scenes,

606
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Speaker 2: you're having these you know, discussions, but the people don't.

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Speaker 3: Know that, right And and that is sadly the nature

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Speaker 3: of the work that I do and have done. That

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Speaker 3: not everything I know can I speak, especially if it's

610
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Speaker 3: obviously the classified nature. Plus as I write, it is

611
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Speaker 3: very important. I believe that in the relationship between the

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Speaker 3: president and vice president that there be a safe zone

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Speaker 3: of having conversations. They're not going to be shared. And

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Speaker 3: and I maintain that that is very important.

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Speaker 1: What about when you know the president is dead wrong?

616
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Speaker 3: What about?

617
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Speaker 1: What what about when you know the president is just

618
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 1: dead wrong?

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Speaker 3: Well, if there is a disagreement, then there has to

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Speaker 3: be candor in that, and and that's what I engage in.

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Speaker 2: You know, Uh, Governor jos Shapirou, you talk about you

622
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Speaker 2: talk about him in the book, and you said that

623
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Speaker 2: you feel like he might be overly ambitious?

624
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Speaker 1: Am I using the right words?

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Speaker 3: That's not what I said, That's not your character. But

626
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Speaker 3: you might have what was what was well read open

627
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Speaker 3: the book?

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Speaker 1: I think it was. I thought it would overly ambitious?

629
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Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, uh too ambitious?

630
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Speaker 3: Maybe refer to the words I actually use and then

631
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Speaker 3: get to your point.

632
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Speaker 1: The point.

633
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Speaker 2: The point is really more and more so about you though,

634
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Speaker 2: like you know, that's some of the things that the

635
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 2: criticism they had about you, is that you might be

636
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Speaker 2: too ambitious, and you know, the president always had to

637
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Speaker 2: watch his back.

638
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 3: So there is a saying in the White House lore

639
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 3: has it. Whether it's true or not, it's it's It

640
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 3: is repeated over many administrations in the years, which is

641
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Speaker 3: that the outgoing chief of staff of the President of

642
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 3: the United States will say to the incoming chief of staff,

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Speaker 3: to the incoming president, I says, regardless of party rule,

644
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 3: number one watched the vice president. And as I write

645
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 3: in the book, part of the dynamic that I was

646
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Speaker 3: aware of coming into the White House as vice President

647
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 3: was I had obviously run against the president and that

648
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 3: there may still be not on his behalf, but others

649
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 3: some hard feelings about that. But here's how I feel

650
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Speaker 3: about the subject that you are raising, which is ambition.

651
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 3: I applaud ambition in people, and I think that part

652
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Speaker 3: of the challenge that we face is to look at someone,

653
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Speaker 3: especially our young people, and say their ambition is a

654
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Speaker 3: bad thing, as though it is a fault of character,

655
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Speaker 3: instead of a strength of character to suggest that somehow,

656
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 3: if someone has ambition, we've conflated ambition with blind ambition.

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Speaker 3: Somehow it's bad. I encourage people to have ambition. I

658
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Speaker 3: think it is a good thing. I think it's part

659
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Speaker 3: of the American spirit to believe in what is possible,

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Speaker 3: to go for it, to roll up your sleeves. You know,

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Speaker 3: I have. I have lived my career and tried to

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Speaker 3: live my career where I don't hear no. I hear

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Speaker 3: no maybe the tenth time. I like to joke I

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Speaker 3: eat no for breakfast. I've mentored a lot of people

665
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Speaker 3: over the years, including now, and I tell them you don't.

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Speaker 3: And you know, somebody actually has the sweatshirt with one

667
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Speaker 3: of the sayings for my mother on it, which is

668
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Speaker 3: you don't ever let anybody tell you who you are.

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Speaker 3: You tell them who you are. Right. I think that

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Speaker 3: is a good thing. So there you go.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, you should scare people when you walk

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Speaker 1: in rough.

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Speaker 3: Do I scare you?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 3: You know about trying to scare people. I'm not trying

676
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Speaker 3: to scare people at all.

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Speaker 1: Have you spoken to President Biden? Have you read the book?

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Speaker 3: I have talked to him, And yeah, I mean he's

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Speaker 3: most recently, and we should all say a prayer for

680
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Speaker 3: his strong and full recovery. He's battling cancer right now

681
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Speaker 3: and he is a fighter. He is a fighter.

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Speaker 1: So how do you feel about you telling you truth?

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Speaker 3: I think he has. I think he's been actually very

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Speaker 3: supportive of me telling my truth. Joe Biden is a

685
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Speaker 3: good man. He is a very good man.

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Speaker 1: He really is.

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Speaker 3: He really is, and he was a good president and

688
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Speaker 3: he was a good president.

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Speaker 2: Did how did you reconcile protecting President Biden as your

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Speaker 2: friend but also protecting you know, the country as a leader, meaning.

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Speaker 1: That you know when you saw things starting to slip?

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Speaker 1: You know, I didn't.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what you're talking about, Charlie Well President,

694
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Speaker 3: I did not see him start to slip in one way.

695
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Speaker 3: That's not what I what I talk about is about that.

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Speaker 3: Let's again, at that moment where everyone was just piling

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Speaker 3: on him, I was not about to participate in piling

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Speaker 3: on number one. Number two. That don't let's not mistake

699
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Speaker 3: whether someone has the ability to govern versus the vigor

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Speaker 3: that one might want in a candidate for election, because

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Speaker 3: those are two different things. And I never questioned, nor

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Speaker 3: do I on reflection his capacity to have been president.

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Speaker 2: But you did say in the book that you didn't

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Speaker 2: think his decision to run again should have just been

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Speaker 2: his and his alone.

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Speaker 3: That's a different point.

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Speaker 2: I did so with that said, how do you reconcile

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Speaker 2: being his friend but also knowing what's best for the country.

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Speaker 3: What's best for the country in the context of an election,

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Speaker 3: is what you mean. I think that he I said

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Speaker 3: what I meant, which is on reflection. I think that

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Speaker 3: there that it was we should have and I and

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Speaker 3: I take I'm going to speak for myself that I

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Speaker 3: perhaps should have said something to him about that, suggesting

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Speaker 3: he reconsider running. And there are a number of reasons

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Speaker 3: I did not, including that I did believe that to

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Speaker 3: do that would come off as being very self serving

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Speaker 3: and therefore not effective. But it was a conversation that

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Speaker 3: should have and had.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought you said you thought it would be

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Speaker 1: self serving.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm vice president of the United States at the time.

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Speaker 2: But you actually would be looking out for the needs

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Speaker 2: of the country.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about how it would be interpreted.

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Speaker 2: Oh got you got you got you got you got

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Speaker 2: you got you got you.

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Speaker 3: And therefore would it have been an effective conversation. I

729
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Speaker 3: don't believe that you have a conversation just because you

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Speaker 3: want to get something off of your chest. You also

731
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Speaker 3: have to, I think, be engaged and is it going

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Speaker 3: to be productive? And that was my point.

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Speaker 2: Another thing I got from the book, especially early on,

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Speaker 2: do you feel like you are loyal to a default

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Speaker 2: at least in this situation.

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Speaker 3: I am a loyal person and I don't apologize for that,

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Speaker 3: but it can be I suppose a weakness, but it's

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Speaker 3: my nature.

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Speaker 2: I got a couple of audience questions. Okay, Cherrelle Garyl.

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Speaker 2: She says, the Voting Rights Act has long symbolized.

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Speaker 3: Pronounce your name right, Chiel, There you are Hi.

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Speaker 1: It's Cherrelle Cherrell, Charrell Gal.

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Speaker 2: The Voting Rights Act has long symbolized the promise of

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Speaker 2: equal access to democracy. As those protections are being rolled back,

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Speaker 2: how do we ensure that our generation doesn't just defend

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Speaker 2: that promise, which scrimtens it.

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Speaker 3: So I think everyone saw, and if not, I'd invite

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Speaker 3: everyone over the weekend if you have some time to

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Speaker 3: take a look at those arguments before the Supreme Court

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Speaker 3: this week. They're trying to wholesale get rid of the

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Speaker 3: voting Rights Act. And I have to say to you,

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Speaker 3: as a young leader, that part of your legacy being

753
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Speaker 3: here in Birmingham is that it is young leaders who

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Speaker 3: imagined and dreamed that you would be here right now

755
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Speaker 3: that are the from this region and from this place

756
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Speaker 3: that are the reason that we got the Voting Rights

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Speaker 3: Act in the first place. And it is part of

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Speaker 3: your legacy to fight to maintain as best as we

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Speaker 3: can those protections. But right now we are witnessing a

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Speaker 3: reversal of those hard fought rights that the American people

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Speaker 3: should have to have access to the polls as a

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Speaker 3: way to express their voice through their vote about the

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Speaker 3: future of their country and their government. The arguments that

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Speaker 3: happened in the United States Supreme Court this week, I've

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Speaker 3: just started to review them. I must try and spend

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Speaker 3: some time this weekend reading it in whole. But it's

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Speaker 3: outrageous and it's basically around a case out of Louisiana,

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Speaker 3: where I believe there are six congressional seats in Louisiana,

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Speaker 3: and I believe that tho they decided in Louisiana that

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Speaker 3: they only had one that had a black representative to Congress,

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Speaker 3: and they would expand it to two. And now there

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Speaker 3: are a bunch of plainists saying no, that the Voting

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Speaker 3: Rights Acts Section two should not apply and get rid

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Speaker 3: of that which will affect it is estimated of I'm

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Speaker 3: going to get the number approximately right, but just under

776
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Speaker 3: about ten democratic seats will be wiped out. Where we

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Speaker 3: think the ruling is headed actually goes to that place.

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Speaker 3: And that's where it's going to be about you and

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00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 3: all of us as leaders, regardless of our age, to

780
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Speaker 3: stand up in particular around what we do around local

781
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Speaker 3: elections congressional elections, to fight for these protections because they

782
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 3: are very much under attack right now. And it's a

783
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Speaker 3: cry and shame. It's a crime and shame when again

784
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Speaker 3: to your point, Charlemagne, they're so blatantly apologetically trying to

785
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Speaker 3: roll back the advances we've made in civil rights. And

786
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Speaker 3: again this suggestion that civil rights are just for some,

787
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Speaker 3: they're for all of us. Everybody benefits when each other's

788
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 3: civil rights are protected. Everyone benefits. And that's part of

789
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Speaker 3: the scapegoating and gas lighting that's happening right now. So

790
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Speaker 3: we're counting on you, and I know you. I've just

791
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Speaker 3: put a heavy burden on you. Welcome to the club.

792
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Speaker 3: And I'm glad you're here. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned a Supreme couote. Why do we still act

794
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Speaker 1: like they're legitimate institution.

795
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Speaker 3: Because we want them to be, because we want them

796
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Speaker 3: to be. But you're right, I mean, this is about

797
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 3: back to the point about this has been decades in

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Speaker 3: the making. We are where we are because of an

799
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Speaker 3: agenda that has been in about longstanding jerry mandering, taking

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Speaker 3: over state houses, manipulating who receives judicial appointments. This is

801
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Speaker 3: all we are seeing, like I said, the implementation of

802
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Speaker 3: a plan that has been a long time in the making,

803
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Speaker 3: and we have to see where it is heading to

804
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Speaker 3: know where we have to head. And that includes, for example,

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Speaker 3: I think part of the mistake, at least in hindsight,

806
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Speaker 3: is we drop the ball on what was happening at

807
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Speaker 3: a local and state level. And that's part of the

808
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 3: price we're paying. And that relates to everything from who

809
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Speaker 3: you elect as your local sheriff to mayor, to governor,

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Speaker 3: to your state house representative and what we all need

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Speaker 3: to do and I think we have allowed and it's

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Speaker 3: all of us is I'm not pointing a finger at

813
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Speaker 3: anyone in particular, but the future of our democracy is

814
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Speaker 3: not only going to be determined by who sits in

815
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Speaker 3: the White House, it is all of these positions, and

816
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Speaker 3: therefore we do have power at a local level. We

817
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 3: do have school board elections for goodness sakes so important

818
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Speaker 3: when we think about the future of where we're putting

819
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Speaker 3: resources in the education of our children, and are we

820
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Speaker 3: actually teaching them about the history of the Voting Rights Act,

821
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Speaker 3: and are we teaching them about the history of who

822
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Speaker 3: we are not to mention civics around three co equal

823
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Speaker 3: branches of government to your point, and the need for

824
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Speaker 3: the safeguards and the backstops.

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Speaker 1: We'll go back to all these questions because we running

826
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Speaker 1: out of time.

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Speaker 2: But if Democrats knew what Republicans were planning all of

828
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Speaker 2: these is where was the defense? If you knew what

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Speaker 2: their offense was going to be, where was the defense.

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Speaker 3: I think that we have to see what happened and

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Speaker 3: know what we need to do in the future. I

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Speaker 3: think you're right. I mean, one could argue, how could

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Speaker 3: this just how could this happen? Yes, I think that's

834
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Speaker 3: a fair question. I think that's a fair question.

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Speaker 1: Because y'all talking about Project twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: What of January first, coming, we get A twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 2: and then the Project twenty twenty seven and the Project

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight, they might have this whole thing.

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Speaker 3: You are absolutely correct, and that's why the moment, the

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Speaker 3: present moment, requires us to be active and see what's

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00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 3: right in front of us and deal with that with

842
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Speaker 3: an I to work where we need to go. For example,

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00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 3: part of what I have been thinking a lot about

844
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Speaker 3: in terms of where we are now in the future,

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Speaker 3: I think a lot about gen Z and I'll tell

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Speaker 3: you why. First of all, they are gen Z as

847
00:57:55,360 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 3: a population of people demographically are larger in number than Boomers,

848
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Speaker 3: So boomers handle that there are more of them. They

849
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Speaker 3: are between about age thirteen and twenty seven twenty eight.

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Speaker 3: And then think about them as a generation they've only

851
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Speaker 3: known the climate crisis, incredibly important phases of their education

852
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Speaker 3: because of the pandemic, we're taken from them around education, socialization.

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Speaker 3: If you think about the pandemic in terms of the

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Speaker 3: statistics which I remain, I believe it's still true. One

855
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Speaker 3: in four Black Americans lost a family member to COVID

856
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Speaker 3: and what that meant in terms of trauma experienced in

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Speaker 3: a family. You look at it in terms of the

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Speaker 3: fact that it is estimated gen Z when they graduate,

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Speaker 3: be it high school or college, will probably have up

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Speaker 3: to ten to twelve jobs in their lifetime. Previous generations

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Speaker 3: we could expect when we came out of high school,

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Speaker 3: came out of college, we'd have one job and that's

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Speaker 3: where we would retire. Okay, So many of our students,

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Speaker 3: if they're in college, for example, they're not sure if

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Speaker 3: what they're studying now by the day they graduate, be

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Speaker 3: that next year or in three or four years, will

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Speaker 3: actually lead to an employable job and work. And so

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Speaker 3: I say all that to say that they are They're

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Speaker 3: having a very specific experience. They are also, as I

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Speaker 3: have come to know them and have members of that

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Speaker 3: generation in my family, incredibly impatient. They are not sitting

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00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 3: around waiting for us to figure it out, and they

873
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 3: have a stake in what's happening right now. Part of

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Speaker 3: what I think about the future of the Democratic Party

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Speaker 3: as it relates to gen Z, I actually am here

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Speaker 3: to say I believe that part of what we need

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Speaker 3: to do to fix things is lower the voting age

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Speaker 3: to sixteen. I think we should sit with that for

879
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Speaker 3: a minute. I see some people need to I think

880
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 3: we should lower the national voting age to sixteen, because

881
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Speaker 3: if we are talking with our young people about what

882
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 3: is important, they will tell us everything that is about

883
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,919
Speaker 3: tomorrow in the next five and ten and twenty years,

884
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 3: They'll lay it all out for us. They are not

885
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 3: invested in the way things have been. They are not

886
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 3: benefiting from tradition or status quo as it has existed

887
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 3: for decades. They're right now, present and very clear eyed

888
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 3: about how we need to address the future. And if

889
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 3: we give them the power to make decisions about who

890
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 3: isn't elected office and allow them to help inform the priorities,

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Speaker 3: I think our future is brighter. Wow, I think our

892
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 3: future is brighter.

893
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Speaker 1: I had another audience question. Her name is Lindsey Hall.

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Speaker 2: She's seventeen, but I feel like you already answered it

895
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Speaker 2: because her question was, I have always been afraid of

896
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 2: speaking up first. So what advice would you give young

897
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Speaker 2: women like myself who want to lead but feel afraid

898
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 2: of being.

899
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Speaker 1: Labeled too ambitious?

900
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 3: Where are you?

901
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: Where you at? Lindsay where?

902
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 4: Wait?

903
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 3: Let's see where it's where? Wait? Turnle you up there?

904
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Speaker 3: Oh there you are?

905
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: Oh she all the way up there?

906
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 3: Wow? Right there?

907
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: What's up, Lindsey.

908
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 3: Okay, first of all, can we all applaud Lindsay please

909
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 3: for being here. So I think first thing first, I

910
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 3: want you to hear and remember what you just heard

911
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 3: and hold on to it, which is is you may

912
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 3: be the first to do many things. You may be

913
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 3: alone in many rooms where you're the only one like you,

914
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 3: and everybody else around the table is different than you

915
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 3: in terms of their life experience or how they look.

916
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 3: And I want you to never feel alone and always

917
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 3: know and hear in your heart and soul the applause

918
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 3: you just heard. To know that there are a whole

919
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 3: lot of people that are encouraging your ambition and encouraging

920
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 3: you to have the energy and the excitement about doing

921
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 3: things that are about making this world better. See. So,

922
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 3: don't ever allow yourself to be limited in terms of

923
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 3: what you think you are capable of based on other

924
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 3: people's limited ability to see what's possible. Don't let their

925
01:02:56,560 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 3: limitations be yours. Don't ever let their life limitations be yours. Okay,

926
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 3: like you're over. I'm glad you're here.

927
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 2: Listen, this has been a great conversation. We're over time,

928
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 2: but I want to make sure we close by continuing

929
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 2: to talk about the fight ahead, right, Like like during

930
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 2: the campaign in your speech you're saying, when we fight,

931
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 2: we win, and in your Howard speech you acknowledge that

932
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 2: sometimes the.

933
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: Fight takes a while.

934
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Speaker 3: That's right.

935
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: What did that fight look like? Now? What weapons should

936
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: we be using?

937
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 3: We should be using the weapon the power of our voice,

938
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 3: of our vote, of our pocketbook. Are we should be

939
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 3: using the strength I think of it as strength, right,

940
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 3: are the strength of our ability to create community? You know,

941
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 3: so many people right now, there's so much fear, so

942
01:03:54,640 --> 01:04:00,040
Speaker 3: much fear, and so many people are feeling attacked and

943
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 3: are being attacked. Literally, Yes, people are on edge, Charlemagne,

944
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 3: and I think one of the counteractions to that is

945
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 3: us doing everything we can to create and reinforce community.

946
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 3: Like I'd ask you, if you don't know the person

947
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 3: sitting next to you, just look at them and say

948
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 3: how you doing? You know, and just we're in church,

949
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 3: but right, just let's yeah, you know, what we can

950
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 3: be doing is to remind each other we're not alone.

951
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 3: We are all in this together, and that's our power

952
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 3: and that's our weapon among these people that are trying

953
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 3: to divide our country and turn American against each other

954
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 3: because part of what I'd add, Charlemagne, I think part

955
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 3: of what we have to fight against right now is

956
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 3: there is an incredible amount of miss and distrust in

957
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 3: our world right now, and there's an incredible amount of

958
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 3: distrust between the American people of each other. And that

959
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:22,959
Speaker 3: distrust is not only about what people are worried about

960
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 3: and you know, cannot lock my front door, but a

961
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 3: concern about whether can I trust that you are not

962
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 3: a threat to my very existence. That's part of what's

963
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 3: happening in our country right now. And the great anecdote

964
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 3: encounter action to that, I believe, is to keep working

965
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 3: in community with a sense of the collective. And so

966
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 3: that's that's our power, and that's the power that we

967
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 3: have that we should use every day.

968
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Speaker 2: Yeah, make some noise for offer, every vice president. I

969
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 2: like what that young lady calls you. She called you

970
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 2: big sister, General.

971
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Speaker 1: I like that. Listen, so listen Mason North again for

972
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Speaker 1: coming the iris.

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Speaker 3: Shaw