Speaker 1: It is Thursday, March third. This is Jaguars Happy Hour
Speaker 1: and now the father of journalistic sportswriting and the mother
Speaker 1: of George Jihan Osier and Ashlyn's Sullivan, welcome in Jaguars
Speaker 1: Happy Hour. We are live from the NFL Scouting Combine,
Speaker 1: Indian India in Indianapolis on Radio Row. It is our
Speaker 1: fourth day of Jaguars coverage on Jaguars dot Com. A
Speaker 1: lot of news coming out on Tuesday. I know you
Speaker 1: are hut till Saturday, and we were just saying, when
Speaker 1: this thing dwindles down, it dwindles down quickly. It's I
Speaker 1: mean that room out there, we're the only ones left,
Speaker 1: is the only one loved your CBS, your big time
Speaker 1: well and we have to stay on Saturday, all right, guys,
Speaker 1: So let's start with Tuesday. We came here, there was
Speaker 1: a big Jaguars news that Peterson Trent Bauky spoke to
Speaker 1: the media, and we started Tuesday morning with the news
Speaker 1: that the Jaguars have decided they will higher an executive
Speaker 1: vice president. Thoughts I don't like it. I think they
Speaker 1: needed to bring a guy above Trent Bulky and and
Speaker 1: let him have some input into the way things are run. Uh,
Speaker 1: maybe not have the final decision making power, but also
Speaker 1: be a guy who can add his insight into that,
Speaker 1: because where are they now? You have Doug Peterson who's
Speaker 1: in there, but now you also have the general manager
Speaker 1: who's the same guy that was the general manager a
Speaker 1: year ago. And so I think that's part of the
Speaker 1: problem here, I really do. And I look, I've made
Speaker 1: I haven't shied away from it. I think they needed
Speaker 1: to make a change at general manager. I'm not as
Speaker 1: adamant about it as the fans are, and nor do
Speaker 1: I think shots a clown for not making that move.
Speaker 1: But they needed to make a move. Just why didn't
Speaker 1: they just start all over again? But as it is now,
Speaker 1: it's all on Trent and and Doug Peterson to get along.
Speaker 1: And I asked, We had Doug on our our set
Speaker 1: the other day, and I asked him, I said, you know,
Speaker 1: there's the fans wanted him out, there were people that
Speaker 1: didn't want to come work here with him. What is
Speaker 1: your relationship with him? And have you paid attention to that?
Speaker 1: And he said, look, I'm not looking into the rear
Speaker 1: view mirror. I'm looking forward. So I understand it from
Speaker 1: his standpoint, I just would have made a change. Pete,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure you've been on our I guess the
Speaker 1: channels is the word you use, right, that's this, that's
Speaker 1: the word the kids use. Um. But I'm not sure
Speaker 1: we've talked to you much since the Peterson higher h.
Speaker 1: You obviously know Doug from before. Uh talk about him,
Speaker 1: talk about what he's gonna bring. What are your impressions? Well,
Speaker 1: I think this was a job. And I'm a big
Speaker 1: Byron left which guy. I love Byron, I always have.
Speaker 1: I've always had a great relationship with him. I don't
Speaker 1: think this would have been a good job for Byron.
Speaker 1: I think Byron is gonna be a great coach down
Speaker 1: the road, but this wouldn't have been it. They treated
Speaker 1: him poorly in Jackson, let's be honest about it. He's
Speaker 1: still had some bad blood about that. And I think
Speaker 1: this was a team that needed a guy with skins
Speaker 1: on the wall. And by that I mean a guy
Speaker 1: who has the cash a that the Super Bowl rank
Speaker 1: you can come in there and clean up the mess.
Speaker 1: And it was a mess that's being left behind, and
Speaker 1: so I think that's the most important thing. And he's
Speaker 1: a good offense and mine. Oh you have to do
Speaker 1: you have to do this. Look, you want a super Bowl?
Speaker 1: Nick Foles? I'm shocked. Oh my god, he want a
Speaker 1: super Bowl? At Nick Foles? You put him coaching Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame just for doing that. How will his uh?
Speaker 1: You know again, you study more other team schemes and
Speaker 1: we get a chance to detail wise, how do you
Speaker 1: expect the offense with Peterson to look? How is this
Speaker 1: gonna look? Explain that to fans in Yan's terms. Well, look,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be the wide zone that everybody you
Speaker 1: don't want to which I think is the perfect offense
Speaker 1: for a lot of quarterbacks. You know, where you run
Speaker 1: the wide zone like the forty Niners do. It makes
Speaker 1: it so much easier on them. The old Kyle Shanahan offense.
Speaker 1: You know, we've seen them rush for three yards once
Speaker 1: in a playoff game running that offense. It just makes
Speaker 1: it easier on the quarterback. So this is gonna be
Speaker 1: more of a pro style Like we take Kansas City,
Speaker 1: It'll be a lot like their offense, you know, the
Speaker 1: Andy Reid pro style offense, which means it's gonna cater
Speaker 1: to the quarterback. And if you looked at what Doug
Speaker 1: did when he was in Philly. He cater to the
Speaker 1: quarterback car and once was an M d P candidate
Speaker 1: When he was there, it was probably gonna win it.
Speaker 1: He he and I got hurt there, correct, And so
Speaker 1: it's perfect for Trevor Lawrence. It's a quarterback centric offense. Now,
Speaker 1: there's always been criticism of this offense that you don't
Speaker 1: run the ball enough, and Andy Reid gets that all
Speaker 1: the time he's got his entire career. But I think
Speaker 1: Doug will be more much more balanced. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: most of the offenses that have had most of the
Speaker 1: times this offense has had a functional quarterback, it's performed
Speaker 1: at a pretty high level and even with an average
Speaker 1: played it. And by the way, I don't think in
Speaker 1: this building if the running back fumbles that they're going
Speaker 1: to yank him out for the entire game either. So
Speaker 1: it's just key, oh man, I'm getting it all out.
Speaker 1: And then when I come back and do the thing
Speaker 1: with Boselli in the fall, then we'll get it out.
Speaker 1: Even I will say, and this it sounds cliche, but
Speaker 1: we've met Doug Peterson now a couple of times like,
Speaker 1: all right, great guy, But then we followed him around
Speaker 1: his meted tour where you were at CBS and he
Speaker 1: was stopped sixty times by people, and everyone's saying, now,
Speaker 1: he's not a good guy. He's out really good guy.
Speaker 1: And again, that can only take you so far. But
Speaker 1: I'm all for that treat not how you treat your players,
Speaker 1: but how you treat everybody else in the building. If
Speaker 1: you walk through the building in the morning and you
Speaker 1: see a person over there there's maybe the cafeteria work
Speaker 1: and say, hey, how are you doing having a good
Speaker 1: day today? Or walk by him or whatever. And we've had,
Speaker 1: we've seen guys who've done that, and not just in Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: but everywhere. It just doesn't work because I think the
Speaker 1: bad field comes into throughout the entire building. Now, I'll
Speaker 1: be honest. Tom Coughlin brought a lot of that into
Speaker 1: that building when he was first there, and it took
Speaker 1: a while for him to evolve a little bit. He
Speaker 1: didn't evolve all the way, but he evolved he realized
Speaker 1: he can't be that way. And this is the same
Speaker 1: with with you know, Doug smart enough to realize treat
Speaker 1: everybody with respect, not just your players. How important is it?
Speaker 1: And it's pretty self evident. But my thought is, Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson gets in front of a room a player is
Speaker 1: in March fifteenth, whenever he talks to him first April two.
Speaker 1: The instant credibility combined with the ability to reach, Uh,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna have players roll in their eyes at
Speaker 1: this guy, not at all. And they were, they were,
Speaker 1: and they were rolling around the last guy. I believe
Speaker 1: that we've heard the stories, many of them and yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got he's got the cash A. And if you
Speaker 1: have the cash A, players are gonna pay attention. It's
Speaker 1: not like everybody goes, who's a great leader in the NFL?
Speaker 1: Why is he a great leader? If you're good, you're
Speaker 1: a leader. If you're bad, you're not. Everybody. Oh, well,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a good leader. Is he any good?
Speaker 1: I mean, if Tom Brady was a sixth round pick,
Speaker 1: if he wasn't any good, he wouldn't let anybody. He
Speaker 1: became great and he lets you know, you're around painting
Speaker 1: all those years. They follow greatness. And so he's got
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl ring, they're gonna follow him from the start.
Speaker 1: If he gets another one, they'll follow him everywhere. In
Speaker 1: the last couple of months until they figure out if
Speaker 1: he's good or not. It's had the NFL good good
Speaker 1: earns you respect period. Easy enough, all right, this room
Speaker 1: is buzzing the entire week about the number one overall pick.
Speaker 1: We've talked to a bunch of draft fantilists and everyone.
Speaker 1: I mean, at first it was Evan Neil. Now we're
Speaker 1: hearing some different names. What are you thinking? I think
Speaker 1: it should be Evan Neil. Did you see him today?
Speaker 1: He's standard thirty pounds and he looks like he weighs
Speaker 1: a hundred and seventy. That tells you what kind of
Speaker 1: the shape he's in a and what kind of body
Speaker 1: has he has the capability to get bigger. He reminds
Speaker 1: me of Tristan Worfs. And you saw what Tristan worse
Speaker 1: did you know as a rookie end last year. He's
Speaker 1: a dominant player, he's a All Pro And everybody goes, well,
Speaker 1: what do you do with Walker Little? How about this scenario?
Speaker 1: You could do this? You play Walker Little at left tackle,
Speaker 1: you play Taylor at right tackle, and you play Neil
Speaker 1: at guard, and people say, well, how can you do that? Well,
Speaker 1: they played Jonathan Ogden at gardens first year in in
Speaker 1: in Baltimore, and then okay, well the next s minute
Speaker 1: forward scenarios, what if Taylor plays great, maybe almost at
Speaker 1: a pro bowl level, then you got a pleasant problem
Speaker 1: on your hands. So that's what I would do. I
Speaker 1: would draft the offensive lineman. Would you be ballistic or
Speaker 1: just in disagreement if they went with Aidan Hudginson. Oh,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know. I wouldn't. It wouldn't be that much. No,
Speaker 1: absolutely not. You can never go wrong getting another pass rusher.
Speaker 1: I mean, I really believe that. I just think my
Speaker 1: concern with Hutchinson is he's so good right now with
Speaker 1: his hands, he's so good with all the moves that
Speaker 1: he's got a big edge up on the tackles in
Speaker 1: the college game. When you get the NFL game, those
Speaker 1: guys are have long arms. They could keep you at bay.
Speaker 1: So you gotta, you know, work on other things. And
Speaker 1: I wonder if his ceiling might be the ten sack
Speaker 1: year guy and not the boss because I don't think
Speaker 1: he's a Bosa. I don't think he's Nick Bosa. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's Joey Bosa. I just, you know, because
Speaker 1: he kind of came out of nowhere and these kids
Speaker 1: have been those prodigies for a long time. So is
Speaker 1: he just what is he? That's my concern. If he
Speaker 1: could continue to get better and better than it's a
Speaker 1: great pick, but there's still some questions about where his
Speaker 1: ceiling is for me anyways, and that's kind of the
Speaker 1: dilemma of this draft is everybody you bring up at
Speaker 1: one there's a relatively big yeah, but involved even with
Speaker 1: Evan Neil, you know, not necessarily an absolute play and
Speaker 1: play left tackle. Well, he would be. I think he
Speaker 1: would be. But if you drafted Walker Little where you
Speaker 1: drafted him last year, what do you do with him?
Speaker 1: And they I mean what you saw from Walker Little
Speaker 1: and last week of the season that was if he
Speaker 1: can play like that all the time, that's a legitimate
Speaker 1: starting left back on this league. So I just think
Speaker 1: it's a pleasant problem to have. You could. Haven't we
Speaker 1: seen over the course of the last two Super Bowls
Speaker 1: the team that doesn't have the offensive line doesn't win.
Speaker 1: The Bengals were a disaster because their line was a
Speaker 1: disaster the and they almost won the game. Anyways, the
Speaker 1: the year before, the Chiefs couldn't block the box and
Speaker 1: they were a disaster. So you gotta be able to
Speaker 1: block in this league of offensive line play is so
Speaker 1: bad if you have Trevor Lawrence to get better upfront.
Speaker 1: So in this situation, you're saying, let Cam Robinson walk,
Speaker 1: don't bring him back. I'm walking them and I'm walking him.
Speaker 1: I'll let him walk. Play little Neil and Taylor, and
Speaker 1: if Taylor doesn't want to, if Taylor doesn't work out,
Speaker 1: you move Neal out. You play two two young kids
Speaker 1: to tackle. And the fascinating thing, Pete, I've been saying
Speaker 1: this for the last month. What you said makes sense.
Speaker 1: And yet keeping Cam, putting little on the left side
Speaker 1: and or on the right side and draft in Hutchinson
Speaker 1: is not a terrible argument. So it's a very to me.
Speaker 1: Figuring out the Jaguars offensive line in the draft right
Speaker 1: now is as tricky a puzzle as maybe I've ever
Speaker 1: seen for a team going into How are you keeping
Speaker 1: him on a tag? Uh? It's a pricey tag, is
Speaker 1: it though? And is he a happy guy if you
Speaker 1: tag him again? Probably not? Well, I can figure out
Speaker 1: a way to get happy for sixty Well you could,
Speaker 1: But I mean, is he one of those guys that
Speaker 1: would be okay with that? He seemed, uh, I didn't
Speaker 1: get the impression of misery from him last year at fourteen,
Speaker 1: but but all of a sudden, you're in the back
Speaker 1: of his mind. Right back of his mind, he's thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll play off playing fourteen, and then I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: get my big money contract next year. You wouldn't give
Speaker 1: him the big money contract, would you? Because of this?
Speaker 1: I'd have to think about it, because right now the
Speaker 1: Jaguars don't have enough really good players. If you keep
Speaker 1: Cam and you draft, say Hutchinson, you've added a good player.
Speaker 1: If you let Cam go, you've let one more good
Speaker 1: player out of your building on a team that doesn't
Speaker 1: have that many. So that would be the philosophy behind it.
Speaker 1: I could also get your point, But I also get
Speaker 1: this could also draft Cam. I mean you could be
Speaker 1: hard to draft. I mean, sign Cam, sign Cam and
Speaker 1: Draff Neil, and then you have four big, giant bodies
Speaker 1: to move around on the confensive with Shatley is the
Speaker 1: center the idea there's When Doug Peterson and Trent Baky
Speaker 1: talked on Tuesday, they both talked pretty extensively about we
Speaker 1: need to keep our own guys. That just triggered me
Speaker 1: to think maybe that's the way they're thinking is we
Speaker 1: need to keep guys in the building and add to
Speaker 1: what we have rather than switching positions out that can
Speaker 1: we just meet. That could very well be me misreading
Speaker 1: what they said. If there was, if there was a
Speaker 1: real dominant plug and play pass rusher, then I would
Speaker 1: say yes for sure. But I don't know who there is.
Speaker 1: In fact, there's some guys and I'm I think the
Speaker 1: other guy that rushes the pastor at michigano Jabo might
Speaker 1: end up being good. Okay, let's with this way. At Michigan,
Speaker 1: Hutchinson was better. But Ojabo just came to the football
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, and there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people who think he'll be he'll want to be better better.
Speaker 1: So if you're telling yourself that you're drafting a guy
Speaker 1: that somebody who was the second on the team to
Speaker 1: him in college is going to be better, then which
Speaker 1: is a possibility, than are you drafting the right guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, Hudgenson I think is going to be a
Speaker 1: really good football player. I just don't know if he's
Speaker 1: going to be If he's somebody said Ryan Carrogan, it
Speaker 1: was a good player who's who you're ecstatic with it fifteen?
Speaker 1: Are you ecstatic with him at one? Correct? Whereas if
Speaker 1: you draft Neil at one, he's a plug and play
Speaker 1: for the rest of his career. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: gonna have any problems at all play And some people
Speaker 1: have the North Carolina State kid the other tackle, and
Speaker 1: I think Neil is better. I think he's the He's
Speaker 1: the guy. Before we let you out of here, you
Speaker 1: talked to far more people around the league. One of
Speaker 1: the most tight end writers around. We're not a writer anymore.
Speaker 1: You have written years, but it's a um. What's the
Speaker 1: buzz among good football people. You talked to about Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence after the rookie year that you can't judge him
Speaker 1: on what had happened last year. You just can't. It's
Speaker 1: not fair to the kid to judge him on that.
Speaker 1: And and I'm I'm with them in no speed. The
Speaker 1: offensive line was a problem. It's a bad staff. How
Speaker 1: the heck were you going to do that? So I'm
Speaker 1: not judging him based on last year. You want to
Speaker 1: judge him, judge him based on how he went through
Speaker 1: all that misery and played so well against the Colts.
Speaker 1: At the end of the year, and I think you
Speaker 1: know that's the most important thing. Does it matter to
Speaker 1: you because he made a big deal out of it
Speaker 1: because it was a positive and I liked what I saw,
Speaker 1: But the fact that he never seemed to wilt mentally,
Speaker 1: and I get the press conferences you can't always tell
Speaker 1: but from that, but there is something you can tell
Speaker 1: from that, from how a kid is standing up, how
Speaker 1: he's not changing as impressive on that front as I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. Maybe does that matter to you? Yes? Pros
Speaker 1: pro then wilt it could have wilted, could complained, could
Speaker 1: have because it's done a lot of stuff. You never
Speaker 1: did any of it, So yes, absolutely, Look, I thought
Speaker 1: he would be a star when he came into the league.
Speaker 1: I'm still thinking he's gonna be a star. Now tell
Speaker 1: me about your interaction with him at the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I love this story. You already told me. But yeah,
Speaker 1: we had him on Zoom and I had no It's
Speaker 1: good I we had had him on Zoom and I
Speaker 1: had never really unbeknownst too many, but I hadn't talked
Speaker 1: to him because when I came to camp, I didn't
Speaker 1: talk to him, and I had him on zoom, and
Speaker 1: he he could I could. I couldn't hear him, and
Speaker 1: he couldn't hear me, And so we had to wait.
Speaker 1: We're getting a little name and he's playing with his hair.
Speaker 1: This in the beginning of the thing. He's playing with
Speaker 1: his hair. Yeah, And so I go, yeah, I got
Speaker 1: the same problem there, Trevor. He busted out laughing. So
Speaker 1: as we go through the we go through the interview
Speaker 1: and I said, look, Trevor, I really hope you play
Speaker 1: so well, really well, to the point where but you know,
Speaker 1: you're a star, but don't play that well because I'm
Speaker 1: the mayor of Jacksonville and you're never going to be
Speaker 1: And what a great kid he is, awesome prose pro
Speaker 1: The pros pro part is significant, and uh well I
Speaker 1: kind of agree with you know, I kind of at
Speaker 1: least one person because he should. Yea. And with that,
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Speaker 1: How we are alive from the Scouting com Bye life
Speaker 1: from Radio Row. We just had Pete Priscoe. Matt Miller
Speaker 1: from ESPN will be joining as shortly. For now, it's
Speaker 1: John Osier and I and your dog on your phone
Speaker 1: just popped up. Yes, I have been face timing and
Speaker 1: security cameraing my dog all week. We're going home tomorrow,
Speaker 1: so don't worry. We're getting back to him soon. He's
Speaker 1: george excited. No, he's very excited as Okay, So here's
Speaker 1: the deal, and it's kind of crazy to think about this.
Speaker 1: Cam Robinson could completely define how the draft stands, not
Speaker 1: just for the Jaguars, for all other teams. I was
Speaker 1: talking to NFL Networks analysts about this day and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like that's not underrated. Whatever happens with Cam Robinson determines
Speaker 1: what the Jaguars will pick determined second, third, fourth, fifth
Speaker 1: of all of these NFL teams. Yeah, no pressure, Cam Robinson,
Speaker 1: And in turn, it determines how the Jaguars will shape
Speaker 1: their own offensive line. It could also determine whether or
Speaker 1: not they have somebody to package with Josh Allen or not,
Speaker 1: because if they pick Evan Neil, then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: they can't pick the potentially pass rushing on the other side.
Speaker 1: It affects a lot of dominance. Again, That's why this
Speaker 1: is not you know, trend ball. Keep calling me aside
Speaker 1: and whispering what's gonna happen? Just sort of reading t
Speaker 1: le's listening. You just wonder if the move isn't to
Speaker 1: retain Cam who they know can play in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and no, can do it keep a good player or
Speaker 1: potentially a very good player and then add a pass
Speaker 1: rusher to it, therefore having more good pieces in that
Speaker 1: front nine, if you will. Uh, that feels to me
Speaker 1: like a team that needs talent a route they might go.
Speaker 1: We'll see and uh, Matt Miller coming in here now,
Speaker 1: Matt Miller will definitely know the answer to this. Hello, Matt,
Speaker 1: how are you? I know it right? I hope you
Speaker 1: know the answer. Let goody, it's good to see you.
Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us. Congrats on your contract extension.
Speaker 1: What a week for you. Free agency has already started
Speaker 1: for me, right, so it's good. It's a good time.
Speaker 1: So Matt Miller on ESPN, a big time draft analysts,
Speaker 1: we're just talking about the number one overall pick and
Speaker 1: do you go defensive end? Do you go offensive line?
Speaker 1: And everyone we've talked to kind of has different opinions,
Speaker 1: which is a good thing to happen. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: good thing. I think it also speaks to the way
Speaker 1: that this draft class is stacked right where there's not
Speaker 1: that consensus number one player like last year when you
Speaker 1: guys got it's the best quarterback prospect in a long time.
Speaker 1: So I default towards the idea of protecting Trevor Lawrence. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Cam Robinson's a free agent. I do like Walker Little,
Speaker 1: who they drafted in the second round out of Stanford
Speaker 1: last year. But I think when you have an opportunity
Speaker 1: to get an elite left tackle, you have to do
Speaker 1: that to protect your own quarterback. You know, I was
Speaker 1: on with a team earlier today. I mentioned to them
Speaker 1: that's really what that's been the model. You know. Buffalo
Speaker 1: bought am offensive line for Josh Allen. Kansas City went
Speaker 1: all in last year for Patrick Mahomes to have an
Speaker 1: offensive line, and we saw I think in the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl how important that is with Andrew Witworth's great play
Speaker 1: and the Bengals struggles up front. So I would trend
Speaker 1: more in that direction. Pass rusher is very important. I
Speaker 1: think a left tackle for a young quarterback, his paramount though,
Speaker 1: Is Neil elite? Is he that much better than the
Speaker 1: others in sort of that group that's at the top
Speaker 1: in your opinion. But I think a lot of that's
Speaker 1: gonna get figured out, you know, the next couple of days.
Speaker 1: Not the hedge on that. No, I don't think he's
Speaker 1: head and shoulders above everyone else, you know, not to
Speaker 1: keep throwing back to last year, but last year Trevor
Speaker 1: was head and shoulders above anyone else at the position.
Speaker 1: Right So I think Evan Neil ikey Ikwanu they're very
Speaker 1: much still, I think in competition for who's going to
Speaker 1: be the first pick, and in those opinions are gonna vary.
Speaker 1: I think you talked to some scheme teams. Their scheme
Speaker 1: is gonna prefer Evan Neil. I think akuanas arm length
Speaker 1: is gonna be an interesting measurement when it comes in tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Some a lot of people will be watching. But from
Speaker 1: from myself, from my own rankings, I have those two
Speaker 1: players right there together, and I'm still, you know, waiting
Speaker 1: for those intangible to try to figure out what separates them.
Speaker 1: Is this as wide open as you remember or is
Speaker 1: it just a case where it's always going to be
Speaker 1: wide open if there's not sort of that quarterback fever
Speaker 1: at the top. It's the most wide open draft that
Speaker 1: I think I've ever covered. I've been doing this professionally
Speaker 1: for a long time, twelve twelve years. I think so, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I think even like Myles Garrett seen, you know,
Speaker 1: there were quarterbacks in that draft, but we knew it
Speaker 1: was going to be him. Still, so I think this
Speaker 1: is the probably the most wide open in that case
Speaker 1: of a team that at the top, that has a
Speaker 1: couple of needs. Right, You've got a new structure in
Speaker 1: place with a new head coach that's gonna have a
Speaker 1: lot of say and what happens. So I think that
Speaker 1: all adds to it, and it does speak to the
Speaker 1: I think lack of elite talent at the top of
Speaker 1: the draft as well to where there's not that sure
Speaker 1: fire player we always talk about with the Jaguar, especially
Speaker 1: this past season, everyone talks about the need for speed
Speaker 1: and you gotta get it quick with the Jaguars. Then
Speaker 1: sitting at thirty three, it seems like, alright, the elite
Speaker 1: wide receivers might be gone by then. Do you use
Speaker 1: some capital to trade up, maybe try to get one
Speaker 1: of those guys. Yeah, I wouldn't be against it at all.
Speaker 1: And I think the good news is you're getting Travis c.
Speaker 1: Tam back next year. Be insuring to see how Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson wants to use him, you know, after after last year,
Speaker 1: there's being some conversation about him doing different things. But
Speaker 1: I do think that using some capital to go get
Speaker 1: an elite receiver. And and there are five or six
Speaker 1: first round receivers in this class, but they might all
Speaker 1: be top twenty picks, you know, a couple of them.
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams tears his a cl in the National Championship game,
Speaker 1: but he's weeks ahead in his recovery. You know, he's
Speaker 1: not gonna miss much time. His teammate John Metchi tears
Speaker 1: is a seal on the SEC Championship game. He's saying
Speaker 1: that he's close to too ready already. So I do
Speaker 1: think that if if someone starts to slip, that it
Speaker 1: could be a good opportunity to move up five picks,
Speaker 1: six picks and make sure you're getting You know that
Speaker 1: that as much as Trevor needs left tackle, he needs
Speaker 1: a number one receiver as well, right, so making sure
Speaker 1: that he leaves this draft knowing, Okay, my backside is
Speaker 1: protected and I have a best friend at wide receiver
Speaker 1: to throw too. The consensus, uh seems to be a
Speaker 1: okay to a good draft at the top, but that
Speaker 1: it stays pretty be good for a long time in
Speaker 1: this draft? Is that the way you see it as well? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen this type of like
Speaker 1: we call it flat right, So the difference between the
Speaker 1: number four overall player and the number twenty overall player,
Speaker 1: it's not that big, right. I think that a lot
Speaker 1: of people are down on the draft because there's not
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks like we saw five in the top fifteen
Speaker 1: last year. But I think if you need to tackle
Speaker 1: a receiver and edge rusher, corner line, like it's so
Speaker 1: deep at those positions where you are in round two
Speaker 1: and three still looking at players like, gosh, these guys
Speaker 1: are starters. You know. I did a I did a
Speaker 1: mock draft exercise. I don't even publish it, just didn't
Speaker 1: a mock draft to see kind of how things fell out.
Speaker 1: And I was in round three and was like, there's
Speaker 1: no way this player should still be on the board,
Speaker 1: Like what where did I mess up? But like, no,
Speaker 1: the draft is just that deep that guys who could
Speaker 1: be ranked in the fifties could be there in round
Speaker 1: three just because teams are are drafting for need or
Speaker 1: guys are are slipping through the cracks a little bit.
Speaker 1: That's always interesting to me. How many mock drafts do
Speaker 1: you do? Oh? A lot, a lot, you know. Now,
Speaker 1: thankfully I love my new employers. We don't have to
Speaker 1: do as many, right, but there's an instatiable need for
Speaker 1: or thirst for. You know, we could put one out
Speaker 1: every day and fans would love it. And there's so
Speaker 1: many different scenarios that you can run through that I
Speaker 1: think that that makes it interesting. You know, if if
Speaker 1: Jacksonville takes Aidan Hutchinson it changes everything, Or if they
Speaker 1: take Evan Neil, what is that? What does that do?
Speaker 1: So I think that's what makes it fun. You know,
Speaker 1: I love that part of this job. That was I
Speaker 1: fell in love with it as a young child doing
Speaker 1: mock drafts in my parents house, you know, so I
Speaker 1: still still love doing that, and I think that that
Speaker 1: is what makes it fun, is the hope of this
Speaker 1: one pick could change our franchise. But then also, okay,
Speaker 1: how do we put this puzzle together? That is a
Speaker 1: fifty three man roster. How concerned were the parents when
Speaker 1: very when they brought this, Because my parents got concerned
Speaker 1: when I was doing stats all the time as a kid,
Speaker 1: So that's how they knew I was. We're going off
Speaker 1: topic here. It's a true story. I almost got kicked
Speaker 1: out of high school. I was a good kid, right,
Speaker 1: I almost got kicked at high school because I was
Speaker 1: skipp school to play Madden so much. My parents didn't know,
Speaker 1: so they were like, you missed twenty days this semester.
Speaker 1: What do you like, Does he have the flu or
Speaker 1: what's happening. There's no I was just addicted to playing
Speaker 1: Madden and making mock drafts. So it worked out. Mom
Speaker 1: and dad like, I'm it worked out, But there was
Speaker 1: there was a time I think they probably wondered what
Speaker 1: I was doing man on a football stack. And it's
Speaker 1: been fascinating. As I've tried in the last couple of
Speaker 1: weeks to sort of get up to speed with draft,
Speaker 1: it strikes you that there maybe a better chance this year.
Speaker 1: I don't think it will happen, but there's more discussion
Speaker 1: of say, Kyle Hamilton's maybe at number one. I doubt
Speaker 1: it will happen. They'd be an unusual position, but not
Speaker 1: a complete shock. Considering the draft wide open. You also
Speaker 1: are hearing more talk about linebacker again becoming an elite position.
Speaker 1: Are we seeing any sort of a change in a
Speaker 1: trendle on those lines of how teams are viewing certain
Speaker 1: positions in terms of draft value. I think so. I
Speaker 1: think we can look at last year Kyle Pitts being
Speaker 1: a tight end being drafted in the top five. That
Speaker 1: almost never happens. T J. Hockenson, you know, several years
Speaker 1: before that was a great player as well. But I
Speaker 1: think what Kyle Pitts Kyle Hamilton's a very good comparison
Speaker 1: to that of you're not truly just a position here,
Speaker 1: not just a safety, You're not just a linebacker. You
Speaker 1: are a defensive weapon or defensive playmaker, and you know,
Speaker 1: we can deploy you in all these different ways to
Speaker 1: match up against tight ends or big receivers or to
Speaker 1: spy mobile quarterbacks. So I think that's what makes Kyle
Speaker 1: Hamilton's arguably the best player in this class. He's a
Speaker 1: high i Q, highly productive, multi year starter who is
Speaker 1: also somewhat of an anomaly from his athletic gift standpoint
Speaker 1: At six ft Four to twenty UM. So I do
Speaker 1: think that there is a solid argument for I was
Speaker 1: asked just a little bigger if you could pick one
Speaker 1: player in this class be a Hall of Famer, who
Speaker 1: would it be? And I say Kyle Hamilton's right, because
Speaker 1: he is just that unique of a skill set that, yes,
Speaker 1: you could argue positional value is not great. But in
Speaker 1: a draft that lacks that elite player at the high
Speaker 1: positions of value, maybe you just go with the best
Speaker 1: football player sometimes. Yeah, And obviously I need for the
Speaker 1: jag Wars as well, right a case for it. We
Speaker 1: asked this this week because I feel like in Jacksonville
Speaker 1: every offseason we have this hope and this optimism and
Speaker 1: you almost get in this whole of just hoping and
Speaker 1: wishing for positivity people yet people for a national outlook ESPN. Obviously,
Speaker 1: where are the Jaguars right now? Where do you see them? Um?
Speaker 1: An unknown? You know? But the Bengals two years ago
Speaker 1: where we made fun of the Bengals tw years ago
Speaker 1: because they only have like seven scouts, you know, and
Speaker 1: it was like what are they what are they doing? Right?
Speaker 1: And even you know, when they took Jamar Chase, people
Speaker 1: scoffed at that of what what are you doing taking
Speaker 1: a receiver? Well, they were in the Super Bowl after
Speaker 1: having the number one picked two years before. So I
Speaker 1: think for Jags fans there is a model that you
Speaker 1: can be excited about of you can turn this around
Speaker 1: very quickly, you know, if you get things right. And
Speaker 1: I think that's where the Bengals drafted so well, not
Speaker 1: just in round one, been in round two getting Jesse Bates,
Speaker 1: in round three getting Logan Wilson. It's not just hitting
Speaker 1: in round one, it's hitting in rounds two and three
Speaker 1: and getting starters out of that group. So I think
Speaker 1: that's where you know, Trent and Doug Peterson have to
Speaker 1: be smart about. It's not just about pick one, because
Speaker 1: I just about pick thirty three. We gotta make sure
Speaker 1: that we get sixty five right and you gotta make
Speaker 1: sure you get you know, sub subsequent rounds. You have
Speaker 1: to be pulling starters. You talked to draft people all
Speaker 1: over the league and inside the league inside buildings. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm curious if you think had there been a number
Speaker 1: a true lead receiver, had there been a Jamaar Chase
Speaker 1: level wide receiver in this draft, which I guess the
Speaker 1: consensus is there's not. But considering the way the league's
Speaker 1: going and his success, could we see in the next
Speaker 1: ten years a wide receiver again go one Keyshwan did
Speaker 1: last time. Possibly. I think it would take someone who is,
Speaker 1: you know, a Julio Jones type, Calvin Johnson type. You're
Speaker 1: gonna need to be, you know, six four running a
Speaker 1: four three, But it is possible. I think one thing
Speaker 1: that that would hurt that argument would be that we're
Speaker 1: seeing so many receivers come out around two that are successful.
Speaker 1: A J. Brown and DK Metcalf, you know, out of
Speaker 1: round two have been great players. Even in Cincinnati, you know,
Speaker 1: Tyler Boyden t Higgins are very good players. So I
Speaker 1: think that is one area where at the receiver position,
Speaker 1: much like a corner right now, are you better off
Speaker 1: drafting one earlier or you better off drafting a couple
Speaker 1: late who are standout athletes, like a Tyreek Hill that
Speaker 1: you can maybe mold and develop a little bit. Our
Speaker 1: teams at all. Shying away from or not shying makes
Speaker 1: you need defensive players, but devaluing it a little bit
Speaker 1: because of a thought of hey, if you don't score
Speaker 1: in this league, you don't win. I definitely think so,
Speaker 1: and I do think that's why this year might be
Speaker 1: an outlier in that case, because of the way the
Speaker 1: draft talent is tacked. But I do think that there's
Speaker 1: much more of an emphasis on getting playmakers, building offensive lines,
Speaker 1: and and going more of those positions. Obviously, corner and
Speaker 1: pass rusher are always going to be early picks, but
Speaker 1: I think for you know, d tackles, linebackers, I do
Speaker 1: think that position starting to slide a little bit. Yes,
Speaker 1: points are fun and the Jars, Yes, absolutely, Matt Miller,
Speaker 1: thank you for your Thank you guys so much, fantastic.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Still to come on Jaguars Happy or John
Speaker 1: Ore and I break down the draft coming up shortly,
Speaker 1: stay with us. Welcome back to Jaguars Happy Are We
Speaker 1: are alive from the scouting Combine, live from Indie, Live
Speaker 1: from Radio Row. This is day four of Jaguars dot
Speaker 1: Com coverage. Much more to come the rest of the week.
Speaker 1: We will be heading out tomorrow morning. You leave in
Speaker 1: this afternoon. I'm leaving as soon as we get a Yes,
Speaker 1: it's been a long week. It's definitely it's windles quickly
Speaker 1: after Wednesday, that's for sure, And it's crazy to think
Speaker 1: that free agency is in two weeks. We spoke to
Speaker 1: Trent Bulky on Tuesday, we kind of asked his mindset
Speaker 1: of free agency. He said, we have the money, we're
Speaker 1: going to spend it. We're gonna be aggressive. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think it's important to note that every time he
Speaker 1: said aggressive and Doug Peterson said in that chair right there,
Speaker 1: Slynn did and said the same thing aggressive, But then
Speaker 1: seconds later they both said, you have to be aggressive
Speaker 1: within a plan, and you have to make sure you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to the right player. So, UM, I do
Speaker 1: think you're going to see the Jaguars very much in on,
Speaker 1: much more high, high profile home run guys than you
Speaker 1: saw last year. I don't think you're gonna see fans
Speaker 1: as upset at what they perceived as in activity on
Speaker 1: this first for days. UM. I hope that they don't
Speaker 1: go overboard with it. I hope that they don't spend
Speaker 1: for the sake of spending. I don't think they will. UM.
Speaker 1: I think Trent's point that he was making with you
Speaker 1: have to make sure that the guys you pay are worthwhile,
Speaker 1: not only for on the field, but for in the
Speaker 1: locker room. For what you were trying to build here. Um,
Speaker 1: this is not a case where you're trying to add
Speaker 1: one piece to get to a Super Bowl. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: news flash. And I think the Jaguars might have a
Speaker 1: year before there at that point, So you're still very
Speaker 1: much in a build. With that being kept in mind,
Speaker 1: you want to make sure that you have team and
Speaker 1: locker room and everybody buying into what's going on as
Speaker 1: much as you can. So you've got to make sure
Speaker 1: that the guys you were paying are good fits and
Speaker 1: at least feel like two or three year foundation pieces
Speaker 1: rather than just, hey, we're adding a piece to the
Speaker 1: puzzle here. Yeah, it was interesting when we Trent Balky
Speaker 1: right after he said yes, we want to be aggressive.
Speaker 1: He also said players in the locker room know when
Speaker 1: a free agent is worth paying. And that was really
Speaker 1: interesting because you always hear fans and us a lot
Speaker 1: of time say I'll just pay him. You have the money,
Speaker 1: we'll go hit the home run and pay him. He said, yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: players in the locker room turn on the film and
Speaker 1: they know if he's worth all that money, and not
Speaker 1: to mention, they're going to compare. He got that contract,
Speaker 1: he's playing this level. I'm here playing this level and
Speaker 1: you have to balance it. You have to be aggressive,
Speaker 1: and if you're going to be in free agency, being
Speaker 1: aggressive means by definition, over paying. Yeah, you're always going
Speaker 1: to be signing a check where you think it's more
Speaker 1: than I wanted to pay for that guy, because that's
Speaker 1: the reality, not just in Jacksonville, but everywhere you're gonna pay.
Speaker 1: You're going to overpay for a fifth year guy that
Speaker 1: you consider close to elite because there's only so many
Speaker 1: of those available in free agency. So the supply and
Speaker 1: demand equation demands that he gets overpaid. But you have
Speaker 1: to balance that with the idea of what Trent Balky
Speaker 1: also talked about this week. You cannot build a competitive
Speaker 1: roster continuously paying eleven million dollars for a three million
Speaker 1: dollar player, and he used that exact numbers, but his
Speaker 1: point was if you do that three or four times,
Speaker 1: you are automatically taking away assets that you should be
Speaker 1: using for other areas of your team and over paying
Speaker 1: for an area that you're not getting production from. That
Speaker 1: takes two pieces away, and over time, you're going to
Speaker 1: be a dysfunctional franchise. Was very bad roster fans out
Speaker 1: there saying, well, the Jaguars have been that. Well. True,
Speaker 1: but you still can't overdo that or you will never
Speaker 1: get to where you want to go. Yeah, and just
Speaker 1: because you have all this cap space and get it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean okay, well let's just just spend it all
Speaker 1: over the place and then we'll be in a bad
Speaker 1: place in three years. That's not how it works. That said,
Speaker 1: it does sound as if what they were talking about
Speaker 1: this week from piecing different places together, Trent Pauki and Peterson,
Speaker 1: both on the podium, both talking to local media, both
Speaker 1: talking to us, it certainly sounds like at wide receiver especially,
Speaker 1: they really is that is a position where we have
Speaker 1: to get better. We have to get experienced better, and
Speaker 1: we have to get rookie build guy better. Would not
Speaker 1: surprise me at all. Huge free agent signing plus number
Speaker 1: thirty three overall in the draft to try to get
Speaker 1: that spot to a point where you can add it
Speaker 1: to some serviceable players on the roster, some productive players
Speaker 1: on the roster. Not have the guys on the roster
Speaker 1: have to be stars, have them be part of a
Speaker 1: good wide receiver package. That seems to be the goal
Speaker 1: of this regime right now. Yeah, we asked Trent bulky
Speaker 1: the need for speed. Where do you get need for speeds?
Speaker 1: My thing this week I've said that like twelve times,
Speaker 1: need for speed, and we asked, Okay, do you get
Speaker 1: in free agenty do you get in the draft? He
Speaker 1: looks at as a matter of Factling goes both. So
Speaker 1: tonight the wide receivers are working out the first for
Speaker 1: the on field. So tonight's a big night for Trent
Speaker 1: Balky and the scouting staff because yeah, thirty three just
Speaker 1: it makes all the sense in the world. It is,
Speaker 1: and I really think we missed out on the potential
Speaker 1: for a fascinating what is it now? March three, couple
Speaker 1: of months leading to the draft, had there been elite
Speaker 1: wide receiver guy draft. I just asked Matt Miller and
Speaker 1: he sort of, you know, didn't really go there that
Speaker 1: it could have happened this year, had had Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: or that level of kids be available in this draft,
Speaker 1: with the Jaguars sitting there with that need um, I
Speaker 1: don't know that they would have done it, but it
Speaker 1: would have been fascinating to find out how close they
Speaker 1: came to it, because this feels like a year where
Speaker 1: that could have happened. I can we agree with with
Speaker 1: Matt Miller. For the most part, your positional value. Most years,
Speaker 1: you're just still going to have quarterback, tackle or pass rusher,
Speaker 1: probably the number one overall picking the draft. This felt
Speaker 1: like a year where had there been an elite Julio Jones,
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase type guy coming out. You just wonder how
Speaker 1: tempted the Jaguars might have been. Yeah, are even crazy
Speaker 1: to think if this isn't if this is last year
Speaker 1: and Kyle Pitts is there and you need a tight
Speaker 1: and so bad do you even reach for that? Which
Speaker 1: is crazy? I think that a tight and go one,
Speaker 1: But man, you need it. If it's there. Kits was
Speaker 1: in this draft. Um, I'd begin a lot of these
Speaker 1: own questions about it. Yes you sure? How it answered? Yes? Absolutely.
Speaker 1: We have much more to come on Jaguars Happy Hours,
Speaker 1: Stay with us, much more draft talk, much more Combine
Speaker 1: talk coming up, Stay with us. Welcome back Jaguars Happy Hour.
Speaker 1: John Osier and Ashland Sullivan here live in Indianapolis, live
Speaker 1: at Radio Row. Our last day of live coverage here
Speaker 1: from the Indianapolis Scouting Combine and major news today regarding
Speaker 1: COVID and oh my gosh, we have made it for
Speaker 1: two years there have been strict protocols and tears and
Speaker 1: testing and tracking devices and separate hallways, and now today
Speaker 1: they cleared the protocols we've been waiting for. This day.
Speaker 1: It really happy. It's acted us Slim, you know, take
Speaker 1: people behind the scenes. There's been certain things we have
Speaker 1: been able to do. It's been certain interviews we haven't
Speaker 1: been able to, uh to get your famous walk offs,
Speaker 1: able to get as many a camp camping next one
Speaker 1: as he likes. So that will come back. More pertinent
Speaker 1: to football operations is the players. I think we'll have
Speaker 1: a chance to get back to normal in terms of
Speaker 1: their routine, in terms of not having to test and
Speaker 1: and I think that will create more of a chance
Speaker 1: for team more together and it's more camaraderie, less separation
Speaker 1: in the locker room. For the players, I think they
Speaker 1: will look forward to getting back to what they I
Speaker 1: guess the football environment that they all grew up with,
Speaker 1: you know, to be in the locker room, uh, be
Speaker 1: on the team bus, not separated. All those things that
Speaker 1: they grew up around. They will be able to get
Speaker 1: back too. And it will just make organizationally, it's much
Speaker 1: easier to function in the NFL more bonding. Yes, he's awesome.
Speaker 1: Speaking of bonding, kind of speaking NFL Combine. So today
Speaker 1: is tonight is on field workouts, but the Jaguars have
Speaker 1: been going through formal interviews this entire week. Those started
Speaker 1: Tuesday and they will interview forty five prospects for fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes each. And we sat down with head coach Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson about this process. This is now his thirteenth year
Speaker 1: at the NFL Combine and he said he gets so
Speaker 1: much out of the formal interview process. The coolest part
Speaker 1: about it, Johnny, you'll be able to watch this interview
Speaker 1: soon on Jaguars dot com is he talked about the
Speaker 1: skill positions and what they use the white board forward
Speaker 1: in that portion in quarterbacks and wide receivers drawing up
Speaker 1: place and you could just see the football. I Q
Speaker 1: was really starting to go when you asked him about that,
Speaker 1: and a guy was so much experience. To have him
Speaker 1: in your room doing that is crucial. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: get a chance. I doubt that they make their final
Speaker 1: decision based on that, but it's certainly when they put
Speaker 1: these guys on the board and they start talking next
Speaker 1: as and os with him, it gives them an idea
Speaker 1: of their personality type. And I'm not sure if it
Speaker 1: was Doug or Trent. May have been. Doug said on
Speaker 1: our air this week. Um, it gives you a chance
Speaker 1: to see how they function in the workday under pressure.
Speaker 1: And that's what the Combine can give them. Not necessarily
Speaker 1: anything specific out of an interview, but if if you
Speaker 1: give a kid, hey, what would you do in this situation,
Speaker 1: here's our scheme, what would you expect out of this?
Speaker 1: It gives them a chance to see how they react.
Speaker 1: We're gonna cover Tony Dungeon, Indianapolis. He used to talk
Speaker 1: about he would come to the Combine and as much
Speaker 1: as he would get something out of the interview process,
Speaker 1: his thing was some of those answers are very canned.
Speaker 1: So what he would do often is go and watch
Speaker 1: guys during their drills when they didn't know they were
Speaker 1: being watched, how they behaved around other uh other prospects
Speaker 1: in their group, whether they were naturally the leader, whether
Speaker 1: they were reserved. And he said, you didn't make decisions
Speaker 1: based on it, but you know, coaches have never seen
Speaker 1: and been around these guys before, so they're just looking
Speaker 1: for something to give them an idea, What is this
Speaker 1: guy going to be like once he's in our building?
Speaker 1: What am I dealing with? Can you function with the
Speaker 1: rest of the people. Is it going to be a problem.
Speaker 1: Probably doesn't make your decision number one. But when you're
Speaker 1: in the third round and you're wondering about and you've
Speaker 1: got five guys on the board, at some point it
Speaker 1: becomes a gut feeling where somebody says, you know what,
Speaker 1: all five of those guys are fine. I had a
Speaker 1: good vibe about this kid. Yeah, absolutely, somewhere as a
Speaker 1: human being that comes into play. Yeah, And it's it's
Speaker 1: funny we're talking about and in some ways everyone can
Speaker 1: relate to this process. It's it's a job interview. And
Speaker 1: granted it's much more pressurized than a normal job interview
Speaker 1: because it's only fifteen minutes along in front of thirty
Speaker 1: two NFL teams, But that's what he said. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a formal job interview and NFL Sundays are an
Speaker 1: incredibly high pressured situation. So this is the way it
Speaker 1: has to be. It has to be pressurized, and we
Speaker 1: have to be tough on them because if they can't
Speaker 1: handle it now, they can't handle it on Sunday, and
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes doesn't sound like a lot. But when you
Speaker 1: start doing the math for every team with the head
Speaker 1: coach having to be in there forty five times or
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, I'm not very good at math, but that's
Speaker 1: minutes um. The same thing with the prospect. The prospect
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes times. Say the interview with twelve teams, that's
Speaker 1: four hours. If if it's all back to back by
Speaker 1: that eleventh one, you're hearing the same questions in your
Speaker 1: little days. Most teams. Again, as Trent Baulky said on
Speaker 1: air this week, this is a piece of the puzzle.
Speaker 1: You don't necessarily blow your chance at being drafted if
Speaker 1: you have one bad interview. But I think teams do
Speaker 1: look at a guy who can have a good interview
Speaker 1: on his eleventh Okay, this kid maybe has a little
Speaker 1: more mental stamina. This kid is you know, by the
Speaker 1: eleventh interview, all your prepared answers are kind of gone,
Speaker 1: so maybe a little bit more of yourself is showing through.
Speaker 1: It's all part of that overall mosaic impression you have
Speaker 1: of a kid. So it's always important to remember the combine.
Speaker 1: As Trent Ball said, this week most general manager's ever
Speaker 1: been around and said it a piece of the puzzle,
Speaker 1: but it's it's their first and sometimes only chance to
Speaker 1: have the personality piece of the puzzle as opposed to
Speaker 1: film numbers. Uh, it's it's an a live piece rather
Speaker 1: than a computerized piece. And I thought it was really
Speaker 1: interesting because I think the perspective from fans and truthfully
Speaker 1: me before I've covered this a couple of years, as
Speaker 1: you come here and you think, okay, they saw all
Speaker 1: these prospects, Now their draft ward is going to completely change.
Speaker 1: They're gonna fly back to Jackson, will tear it all
Speaker 1: up and trump Baulky was saying, not necessarily. It basically says, okay,
Speaker 1: if we missed this and this prospect ran a great
Speaker 1: forty time, how did we miss that? And you go
Speaker 1: back and watch the film. It was just interesting that
Speaker 1: not near as traumatic as he once thought. Bill Polian
Speaker 1: who worked with for ten years, and they used to
Speaker 1: talk about it in exactly the same verbiage that Trent used.
Speaker 1: It's a flag if you will. Yeah, you've got your board,
Speaker 1: you've got your rankings, you've got what you think. So
Speaker 1: every part of the draft process is okay. That's there. Okay,
Speaker 1: now we went to his pro day. Does that line
Speaker 1: up with what we thought? Yes, it confirms everything we've
Speaker 1: interviewed the kid. Yes, it confirms everything. You go to
Speaker 1: the combat. Hey, he ran two tents of a second
Speaker 1: faster than we thought he was going to. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: let's go back, let's do the homework, let's make sure
Speaker 1: we didn't miss Let's call his college coach, Let's call somebody,
Speaker 1: make sure to can this kid run? Let's go back?
Speaker 1: Or is he just as Trent said the other day?
Speaker 1: Is he just a good tester? It gives them a
Speaker 1: reason to go back and do some extra work and
Speaker 1: make sure they're not missing anything. It's part of the process,
Speaker 1: but in no way. Again, there will be new mock
Speaker 1: drafts next week. Yes, there will be people talking about right,
Speaker 1: this guy's stock is right, and that's the great worst
Speaker 1: this the stock is right trendy word around here. That's
Speaker 1: that's great for fans, observers and mock drafters, it's not
Speaker 1: really the reality of how draft rooms work. Closing minutes
Speaker 1: here of Jaguars happy Hour, it is going to be
Speaker 1: a very busy next two weeks. Seems like the Jaguars
Speaker 1: off seasons have always been full of storylines lately, but
Speaker 1: these next two weeks kind of underrated. How much will
Speaker 1: be decided in these next two weeks. We're getting a
Speaker 1: lot of questions about why receiver d J Chark? Do
Speaker 1: they franchise tag and when do they bring them back?
Speaker 1: Are they going to let him test free agency? We
Speaker 1: see so many scenarios playing out, and you'd love for
Speaker 1: da to come back because he's an awesome player to cover,
Speaker 1: But the more I hear around here it might not
Speaker 1: be the case. Yeah, it's it's tough, and you know,
Speaker 1: I would love for d Jr. To come back. I
Speaker 1: love him as a person. I personally think that what
Speaker 1: we've seen of him over four years, it feels to
Speaker 1: me like he's a guy who is going to have
Speaker 1: a better year five through eight of his career than
Speaker 1: he had a year one through four. Um, he made
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl in because it was nineteen and to me,
Speaker 1: even the Pro Bowl, you're just scratched the surface. But
Speaker 1: I also get if the Jaguars take the route of
Speaker 1: you know what, we just haven't seen enough. We have
Speaker 1: to go in a different direction, which again I don't
Speaker 1: know if they're going to do that. That's one of
Speaker 1: the options. If they do that, fans are going to
Speaker 1: wonder why. But the reality is he has not shown
Speaker 1: on a consistent basis and done it, and he's had
Speaker 1: four years to do it, so you understand why somebody
Speaker 1: would say, we just haven't seen it yet. So that's
Speaker 1: a direction that I'm not sure which way they're going
Speaker 1: to go. I think people who may be tuning in
Speaker 1: now watch the top of the show. The conversation may
Speaker 1: with Pete Prisco about offensive line. They can go a
Speaker 1: lot of different ways on offensive line coming up, and
Speaker 1: it is not a clear cut dilemma over whether you
Speaker 1: keep Frint, you keep Cam Robinson, you draft a tackle
Speaker 1: in that spot, and there's a domino effect the it's fascinating.
Speaker 1: It is how the negotiations go with Cam is going
Speaker 1: to shape a lot of this draft for other teams,
Speaker 1: as we mentioned, and for the Jaguars, and it's uh,
Speaker 1: the reactions to what happens Ashlyn will be very How
Speaker 1: in the world could they do that? The reality is,
Speaker 1: with both of those players, there are arguments to be
Speaker 1: made on both sides. It's what makes it so fascinating
Speaker 1: to me. It is because the m o of the
Speaker 1: Jaguars and past years has been they don't keep their players.
Speaker 1: They're good players, and Doug Peterson and Trump Bulky made
Speaker 1: a point on Tuesday to say that, But I don't
Speaker 1: want people to think that means, oh, they're obviously they'm
Speaker 1: going to keep Cam Robinson and d J Chart. That's
Speaker 1: what they meant. Not necessarily. They said this starts right here,
Speaker 1: drafting good players, keeping them. But when I say that,
Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh, that must mean you know they're paying
Speaker 1: Cam Robinson. Well, not the case I think they would
Speaker 1: like to. I mean, you know, if it's the right
Speaker 1: price and it compromised, oh, there'll be no. You've got
Speaker 1: to make sure that the value fits the player. I
Speaker 1: think they would like to pay Cam. If you're like,
Speaker 1: there are guys they would like to pay, does it
Speaker 1: fit what you want to do long term? And is
Speaker 1: the value there? Uh, it's negligent if the GM and
Speaker 1: personnel people don't take those things in any consideration, and
Speaker 1: this regime certainly will. Yes, it all seems to be
Speaker 1: a compromise, and really a lot of it. When we
Speaker 1: talk about wide receiver is on kind of d J
Speaker 1: Charks shoulders. If he comes down on his price and says,
Speaker 1: all right, you know, I'll play for twelve thirteen whatever million. Okay,
Speaker 1: deal done, and you can see that happening. But I
Speaker 1: totally see DJ Chark side of you know, I want
Speaker 1: to be wide receiver number one and I want to
Speaker 1: go test the waters to see if I can make
Speaker 1: that twenty million dollar contract. That doesn't seem like he's
Speaker 1: going to get in jackson All yeah, And I have
Speaker 1: no idea the numbers um because the franchise tag I
Speaker 1: think was so close to almost twenty million dollars and
Speaker 1: he's not going to get that. Those are tough. It
Speaker 1: is truly a matter of if he had more product
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, even with people making the decisions, I think
Speaker 1: it would be an easier decision for It's also a
Speaker 1: matter of it's very easy to say, well, go test
Speaker 1: free agency, excuse me, and we will see how it goes,
Speaker 1: how the market bears. The problem is realistically, once a
Speaker 1: player gets out there on free agency, it's very rare
Speaker 1: for them to come back to the former team just
Speaker 1: because there's a little bit of a chip. So you
Speaker 1: go to create some negative feelings. You're out there, you're
Speaker 1: being wowed by somebody else. I generally think once a
Speaker 1: player is out there, they don't come back. There's exceptions
Speaker 1: to that rule, but it's always a word. Yes, I
Speaker 1: totally agree. And your fear is that if you less
Speaker 1: let them test the waters, or if you let them walk.
Speaker 1: And you see it on a much smaller scale with
Speaker 1: Alan Lizard who was on the Jaguars practice squad. The
Speaker 1: Jaguars let him go and then he becomes a serious
Speaker 1: downfield threat in green Band and everyone uses that example.
Speaker 1: How could you have let him outside your building? That's
Speaker 1: d J Charkin two years killing it for another team.
Speaker 1: Allen Robinson's is good an example of that. Uh, that's
Speaker 1: a real danger with you, because again I think his
Speaker 1: year five through eight will be better than his year
Speaker 1: one through four. Question is does that mean that it's
Speaker 1: worth what he might bear on the open market? Fortunately, Slynn,
Speaker 1: those decisions are way above my pay way. Wait wait
Speaker 1: if I even have a pay grade, I think you do,
Speaker 1: especially here. You've done great work this week, I'll say,
Speaker 1: and you as well. Thank you. All right, so let
Speaker 1: fans know what else is coming up for you the
Speaker 1: rest of the week. The rest of the week um
Speaker 1: will be more coverage still sort of parsing through the
Speaker 1: press conversation Tuesday. Also, I'm not sure that our conversation
Speaker 1: with Charles Davis's run yet. Um. That was very interesting.
Speaker 1: We talked to him yesterday. The should runing Jaguars dot Com.
Speaker 1: I'll be writing off that as well. And next week
Speaker 1: I should have an ozone podcast with Tony Pauline, who's
Speaker 1: been with Jaguars dot Com working and talking to us
Speaker 1: for operage of twenty years. And he's always one of
Speaker 1: the most interesting people to talk to in NFL circle.
Speaker 1: So I would definitely watch for that. Yes, he it's
Speaker 1: a very well connected man. We also have the interview
Speaker 1: that we talked about with Doug Peterson in the interview room,
Speaker 1: all about that interview process. That's going to go up
Speaker 1: Tonight's on Jaguars dot Com. We have on Fuel workouts
Speaker 1: starting to night. Of course the Hunts are long form series,
Speaker 1: all kinds of written content as well. It's been a
Speaker 1: long week, John, We've done a lot of great work.
Speaker 1: I'll say we've done work. We have. It's been great,
Speaker 1: we absolutely have. And then next week we're gonna start
Speaker 1: on Drivetime and happier we're gonna start talking about free agency.
Speaker 1: We don't get much break ground here. It comes up
Speaker 1: quick and the next two weeks. As you said, the
Speaker 1: future of a lot of different things, long term and
Speaker 1: short term, will go down in the next week two weeks.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to. I am to entertaining stuff going
Speaker 1: on in Jacksonville as well as an indie. Thank you
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