WEBVTT - Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, March 3 0:00:01.400 --> 0:00:08.000 It is Thursday, March third. This is Jaguars Happy Hour 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:14.520 and now the father of journalistic sportswriting and the mother 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:23.160 of George Jihan Osier and Ashlyn's Sullivan, welcome in Jaguars 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:25.880 Happy Hour. We are live from the NFL Scouting Combine, 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:30.040 Indian India in Indianapolis on Radio Row. It is our 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:33.760 fourth day of Jaguars coverage on Jaguars dot Com. A 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:35.599 lot of news coming out on Tuesday. I know you 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:37.639 are hut till Saturday, and we were just saying, when 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:41.040 this thing dwindles down, it dwindles down quickly. It's I 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:44.040 mean that room out there, we're the only ones left, 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:47.199 is the only one loved your CBS, your big time 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:51.000 well and we have to stay on Saturday, all right, guys, 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.199 So let's start with Tuesday. We came here, there was 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:55.920 a big Jaguars news that Peterson Trent Bauky spoke to 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:58.400 the media, and we started Tuesday morning with the news 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.520 that the Jaguars have decided they will higher an executive 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:05.400 vice president. Thoughts I don't like it. I think they 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:09.280 needed to bring a guy above Trent Bulky and and 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:12.920 let him have some input into the way things are run. Uh, 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:16.240 maybe not have the final decision making power, but also 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:18.920 be a guy who can add his insight into that, 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:21.920 because where are they now? You have Doug Peterson who's 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:24.119 in there, but now you also have the general manager 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:26.360 who's the same guy that was the general manager a 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:28.560 year ago. And so I think that's part of the 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.400 problem here, I really do. And I look, I've made 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.280 I haven't shied away from it. I think they needed 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:36.520 to make a change at general manager. I'm not as 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.200 adamant about it as the fans are, and nor do 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:43.320 I think shots a clown for not making that move. 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:45.520 But they needed to make a move. Just why didn't 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.160 they just start all over again? But as it is now, 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:50.840 it's all on Trent and and Doug Peterson to get along. 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:52.680 And I asked, We had Doug on our our set 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:54.360 the other day, and I asked him, I said, you know, 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:58.240 there's the fans wanted him out, there were people that 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:01.200 didn't want to come work here with him. What is 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:03.360 your relationship with him? And have you paid attention to that? 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:05.240 And he said, look, I'm not looking into the rear 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.880 view mirror. I'm looking forward. So I understand it from 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:10.120 his standpoint, I just would have made a change. Pete, 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:13.480 I'm not sure you've been on our I guess the 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.400 channels is the word you use, right, that's this, that's 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:18.880 the word the kids use. Um. But I'm not sure 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:21.760 we've talked to you much since the Peterson higher h. 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:26.480 You obviously know Doug from before. Uh talk about him, 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:28.840 talk about what he's gonna bring. What are your impressions? Well, 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:30.280 I think this was a job. And I'm a big 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:32.480 Byron left which guy. I love Byron, I always have. 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:34.679 I've always had a great relationship with him. I don't 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:36.320 think this would have been a good job for Byron. 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:38.399 I think Byron is gonna be a great coach down 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:40.480 the road, but this wouldn't have been it. They treated 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:42.799 him poorly in Jackson, let's be honest about it. He's 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:45.959 still had some bad blood about that. And I think 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:47.919 this was a team that needed a guy with skins 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.079 on the wall. And by that I mean a guy 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.600 who has the cash a that the Super Bowl rank 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:54.880 you can come in there and clean up the mess. 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:57.840 And it was a mess that's being left behind, and 0:02:57.880 --> 0:02:59.960 so I think that's the most important thing. And he's 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:01.760 a good offense and mine. Oh you have to do 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:03.520 you have to do this. Look, you want a super Bowl? 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:07.120 Nick Foles? I'm shocked. Oh my god, he want a 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:10.600 super Bowl? At Nick Foles? You put him coaching Hall 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.800 of Fame just for doing that. How will his uh? 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:17.960 You know again, you study more other team schemes and 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:21.480 we get a chance to detail wise, how do you 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:24.440 expect the offense with Peterson to look? How is this 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:29.200 gonna look? Explain that to fans in Yan's terms. Well, look, 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:30.919 it's not gonna be the wide zone that everybody you 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:33.040 don't want to which I think is the perfect offense 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:34.560 for a lot of quarterbacks. You know, where you run 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:36.200 the wide zone like the forty Niners do. It makes 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:38.600 it so much easier on them. The old Kyle Shanahan offense. 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:40.920 You know, we've seen them rush for three yards once 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.360 in a playoff game running that offense. It just makes 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.040 it easier on the quarterback. So this is gonna be 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:49.320 more of a pro style Like we take Kansas City, 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:51.440 It'll be a lot like their offense, you know, the 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:55.080 Andy Reid pro style offense, which means it's gonna cater 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:57.640 to the quarterback. And if you looked at what Doug 0:03:57.680 --> 0:03:59.280 did when he was in Philly. He cater to the 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:01.480 quarterback car and once was an M d P candidate 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:03.880 When he was there, it was probably gonna win it. 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:06.720 He he and I got hurt there, correct, And so 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:12.200 it's perfect for Trevor Lawrence. It's a quarterback centric offense. Now, 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.760 there's always been criticism of this offense that you don't 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.320 run the ball enough, and Andy Reid gets that all 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:20.000 the time he's got his entire career. But I think 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.920 Doug will be more much more balanced. I think, yeah, 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.479 most of the offenses that have had most of the 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:28.920 times this offense has had a functional quarterback, it's performed 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:31.080 at a pretty high level and even with an average 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:33.440 played it. And by the way, I don't think in 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.640 this building if the running back fumbles that they're going 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:38.680 to yank him out for the entire game either. So 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:44.160 it's just key, oh man, I'm getting it all out. 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:45.520 And then when I come back and do the thing 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:47.640 with Boselli in the fall, then we'll get it out. 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:51.640 Even I will say, and this it sounds cliche, but 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:53.760 we've met Doug Peterson now a couple of times like, 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:56.080 all right, great guy, But then we followed him around 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:58.520 his meted tour where you were at CBS and he 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.600 was stopped sixty times by people, and everyone's saying, now, 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.560 he's not a good guy. He's out really good guy. 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:08.400 And again, that can only take you so far. But 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:12.160 I'm all for that treat not how you treat your players, 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:14.680 but how you treat everybody else in the building. If 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:16.440 you walk through the building in the morning and you 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:19.080 see a person over there there's maybe the cafeteria work 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:21.080 and say, hey, how are you doing having a good 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:25.800 day today? Or walk by him or whatever. And we've had, 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.719 we've seen guys who've done that, and not just in Jacksonville, 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:31.880 but everywhere. It just doesn't work because I think the 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:35.800 bad field comes into throughout the entire building. Now, I'll 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:38.200 be honest. Tom Coughlin brought a lot of that into 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:40.400 that building when he was first there, and it took 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:43.279 a while for him to evolve a little bit. He 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.880 didn't evolve all the way, but he evolved he realized 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:47.920 he can't be that way. And this is the same 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:50.960 with with you know, Doug smart enough to realize treat 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:54.039 everybody with respect, not just your players. How important is it? 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:58.240 And it's pretty self evident. But my thought is, Doug 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:00.240 Peterson gets in front of a room a player is 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:04.000 in March fifteenth, whenever he talks to him first April two. 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:09.719 The instant credibility combined with the ability to reach, Uh, 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:11.600 you're not gonna have players roll in their eyes at 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:14.520 this guy, not at all. And they were, they were, 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:17.520 and they were rolling around the last guy. I believe 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:20.200 that we've heard the stories, many of them and yeah, 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:22.960 he's got he's got the cash A. And if you 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:25.479 have the cash A, players are gonna pay attention. It's 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:28.840 not like everybody goes, who's a great leader in the NFL? 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:32.200 Why is he a great leader? If you're good, you're 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:35.520 a leader. If you're bad, you're not. Everybody. Oh, well, 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:37.360 he's gonna be a good leader. Is he any good? 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:39.680 I mean, if Tom Brady was a sixth round pick, 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:43.039 if he wasn't any good, he wouldn't let anybody. He 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.479 became great and he lets you know, you're around painting 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:49.560 all those years. They follow greatness. And so he's got 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.080 a Super Bowl ring, they're gonna follow him from the start. 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.160 If he gets another one, they'll follow him everywhere. In 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.080 the last couple of months until they figure out if 0:06:56.080 --> 0:07:00.800 he's good or not. It's had the NFL good good 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:04.320 earns you respect period. Easy enough, all right, this room 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:07.120 is buzzing the entire week about the number one overall pick. 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:09.880 We've talked to a bunch of draft fantilists and everyone. 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:11.640 I mean, at first it was Evan Neil. Now we're 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:14.000 hearing some different names. What are you thinking? I think 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:16.760 it should be Evan Neil. Did you see him today? 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.720 He's standard thirty pounds and he looks like he weighs 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.880 a hundred and seventy. That tells you what kind of 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:24.720 the shape he's in a and what kind of body 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.720 has he has the capability to get bigger. He reminds 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:30.840 me of Tristan Worfs. And you saw what Tristan worse 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:32.800 did you know as a rookie end last year. He's 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:36.000 a dominant player, he's a All Pro And everybody goes, well, 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.640 what do you do with Walker Little? How about this scenario? 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.520 You could do this? You play Walker Little at left tackle, 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:46.320 you play Taylor at right tackle, and you play Neil 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.360 at guard, and people say, well, how can you do that? Well, 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.080 they played Jonathan Ogden at gardens first year in in 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:55.080 in Baltimore, and then okay, well the next s minute 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:57.920 forward scenarios, what if Taylor plays great, maybe almost at 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:00.280 a pro bowl level, then you got a pleasant problem 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:03.040 on your hands. So that's what I would do. I 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:07.800 would draft the offensive lineman. Would you be ballistic or 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:10.480 just in disagreement if they went with Aidan Hudginson. Oh, 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:14.520 I wouldn't know. I wouldn't. It wouldn't be that much. No, 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:17.280 absolutely not. You can never go wrong getting another pass rusher. 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:19.680 I mean, I really believe that. I just think my 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:23.200 concern with Hutchinson is he's so good right now with 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:26.640 his hands, he's so good with all the moves that 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.960 he's got a big edge up on the tackles in 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:32.640 the college game. When you get the NFL game, those 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:34.640 guys are have long arms. They could keep you at bay. 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:36.880 So you gotta, you know, work on other things. And 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:40.839 I wonder if his ceiling might be the ten sack 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:44.640 year guy and not the boss because I don't think 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:46.719 he's a Bosa. I don't think he's Nick Bosa. I 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:48.840 don't think he's Joey Bosa. I just, you know, because 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:50.960 he kind of came out of nowhere and these kids 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:54.199 have been those prodigies for a long time. So is 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:57.960 he just what is he? That's my concern. If he 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.160 could continue to get better and better than it's a 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.600 great pick, but there's still some questions about where his 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:04.880 ceiling is for me anyways, and that's kind of the 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:07.480 dilemma of this draft is everybody you bring up at 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:11.640 one there's a relatively big yeah, but involved even with 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.920 Evan Neil, you know, not necessarily an absolute play and 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:18.240 play left tackle. Well, he would be. I think he 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.520 would be. But if you drafted Walker Little where you 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.000 drafted him last year, what do you do with him? 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:25.960 And they I mean what you saw from Walker Little 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:27.920 and last week of the season that was if he 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.520 can play like that all the time, that's a legitimate 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.520 starting left back on this league. So I just think 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:35.800 it's a pleasant problem to have. You could. Haven't we 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:37.880 seen over the course of the last two Super Bowls 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:40.719 the team that doesn't have the offensive line doesn't win. 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:43.600 The Bengals were a disaster because their line was a 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.679 disaster the and they almost won the game. Anyways, the 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:49.840 the year before, the Chiefs couldn't block the box and 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:52.080 they were a disaster. So you gotta be able to 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:53.800 block in this league of offensive line play is so 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:55.720 bad if you have Trevor Lawrence to get better upfront. 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:59.280 So in this situation, you're saying, let Cam Robinson walk, 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.320 don't bring him back. I'm walking them and I'm walking him. 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.920 I'll let him walk. Play little Neil and Taylor, and 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:07.840 if Taylor doesn't want to, if Taylor doesn't work out, 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:10.319 you move Neal out. You play two two young kids 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:12.440 to tackle. And the fascinating thing, Pete, I've been saying 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:16.000 this for the last month. What you said makes sense. 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:21.120 And yet keeping Cam, putting little on the left side 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:23.840 and or on the right side and draft in Hutchinson 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:29.200 is not a terrible argument. So it's a very to me. 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.000 Figuring out the Jaguars offensive line in the draft right 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:36.360 now is as tricky a puzzle as maybe I've ever 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:40.680 seen for a team going into How are you keeping 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:45.400 him on a tag? Uh? It's a pricey tag, is 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:50.720 it though? And is he a happy guy if you 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.720 tag him again? Probably not? Well, I can figure out 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:55.720 a way to get happy for sixty Well you could, 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:58.679 But I mean, is he one of those guys that 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:02.880 would be okay with that? He seemed, uh, I didn't 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:07.560 get the impression of misery from him last year at fourteen, 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:09.920 but but all of a sudden, you're in the back 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:13.000 of his mind. Right back of his mind, he's thinking, Okay, 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:16.400 I'll play off playing fourteen, and then I'm gonna go 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.160 get my big money contract next year. You wouldn't give 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:26.240 him the big money contract, would you? Because of this? 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:29.400 I'd have to think about it, because right now the 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:33.520 Jaguars don't have enough really good players. If you keep 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:41.400 Cam and you draft, say Hutchinson, you've added a good player. 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.920 If you let Cam go, you've let one more good 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.120 player out of your building on a team that doesn't 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:50.760 have that many. So that would be the philosophy behind it. 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:52.559 I could also get your point, But I also get 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:56.000 this could also draft Cam. I mean you could be 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:59.880 hard to draft. I mean, sign Cam, sign Cam and 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:03.800 Draff Neil, and then you have four big, giant bodies 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.360 to move around on the confensive with Shatley is the 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:11.560 center the idea there's When Doug Peterson and Trent Baky 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:16.640 talked on Tuesday, they both talked pretty extensively about we 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:19.320 need to keep our own guys. That just triggered me 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:23.200 to think maybe that's the way they're thinking is we 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:25.199 need to keep guys in the building and add to 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:30.319 what we have rather than switching positions out that can 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:33.720 we just meet. That could very well be me misreading 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:35.840 what they said. If there was, if there was a 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:41.680 real dominant plug and play pass rusher, then I would 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:43.840 say yes for sure. But I don't know who there is. 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.280 In fact, there's some guys and I'm I think the 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.840 other guy that rushes the pastor at michigano Jabo might 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:53.120 end up being good. Okay, let's with this way. At Michigan, 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:57.800 Hutchinson was better. But Ojabo just came to the football 0:12:57.840 --> 0:12:59.079 a couple of years ago, and there's a lot of 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:01.280 people who think he'll be he'll want to be better better. 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:04.319 So if you're telling yourself that you're drafting a guy 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:06.760 that somebody who was the second on the team to 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:08.840 him in college is going to be better, then which 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:11.439 is a possibility, than are you drafting the right guy. 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:13.600 I mean, Hudgenson I think is going to be a 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.079 really good football player. I just don't know if he's 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:22.480 going to be If he's somebody said Ryan Carrogan, it 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:26.040 was a good player who's who you're ecstatic with it fifteen? 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:28.640 Are you ecstatic with him at one? Correct? Whereas if 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:30.960 you draft Neil at one, he's a plug and play 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:32.360 for the rest of his career. I don't think he's 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:34.600 gonna have any problems at all play And some people 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:38.040 have the North Carolina State kid the other tackle, and 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:41.040 I think Neil is better. I think he's the He's 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:43.560 the guy. Before we let you out of here, you 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:46.360 talked to far more people around the league. One of 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:49.079 the most tight end writers around. We're not a writer anymore. 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:53.960 You have written years, but it's a um. What's the 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:58.040 buzz among good football people. You talked to about Trevor 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.000 Lawrence after the rookie year that you can't judge him 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.000 on what had happened last year. You just can't. It's 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:03.600 not fair to the kid to judge him on that. 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:08.440 And and I'm I'm with them in no speed. The 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:11.800 offensive line was a problem. It's a bad staff. How 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:13.319 the heck were you going to do that? So I'm 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.360 not judging him based on last year. You want to 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:17.559 judge him, judge him based on how he went through 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:19.640 all that misery and played so well against the Colts. 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:21.600 At the end of the year, and I think you 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.120 know that's the most important thing. Does it matter to 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:25.760 you because he made a big deal out of it 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.560 because it was a positive and I liked what I saw, 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.880 But the fact that he never seemed to wilt mentally, 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:34.520 and I get the press conferences you can't always tell 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:36.960 but from that, but there is something you can tell 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.080 from that, from how a kid is standing up, how 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:42.240 he's not changing as impressive on that front as I've 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:45.000 ever seen. Maybe does that matter to you? Yes? Pros 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:48.480 pro then wilt it could have wilted, could complained, could 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:49.960 have because it's done a lot of stuff. You never 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:53.360 did any of it, So yes, absolutely, Look, I thought 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:55.160 he would be a star when he came into the league. 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:57.280 I'm still thinking he's gonna be a star. Now tell 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:00.000 me about your interaction with him at the Super Bowl. 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.840 I love this story. You already told me. But yeah, 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:04.720 we had him on Zoom and I had no It's 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:06.480 good I we had had him on Zoom and I 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:09.920 had never really unbeknownst too many, but I hadn't talked 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:11.520 to him because when I came to camp, I didn't 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:14.040 talk to him, and I had him on zoom, and 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:16.920 he he could I could. I couldn't hear him, and 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:18.840 he couldn't hear me, And so we had to wait. 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:20.640 We're getting a little name and he's playing with his hair. 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:22.120 This in the beginning of the thing. He's playing with 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:24.320 his hair. Yeah, And so I go, yeah, I got 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:26.960 the same problem there, Trevor. He busted out laughing. So 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:28.880 as we go through the we go through the interview 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:32.200 and I said, look, Trevor, I really hope you play 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:35.880 so well, really well, to the point where but you know, 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:38.560 you're a star, but don't play that well because I'm 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:41.080 the mayor of Jacksonville and you're never going to be 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:48.320 And what a great kid he is, awesome prose pro 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:52.560 The pros pro part is significant, and uh well I 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:55.760 kind of agree with you know, I kind of at 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:59.160 least one person because he should. Yea. And with that, 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:01.920 jack full Mayor. Enjoy the rest of the week. You're 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:05.520 Realtil Saturday, tune an CBIA Sports to watch the Jacksonville Mayor. 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:18.040 We'll be back on Jaguars Happier. Welcome back, Jaguars Happy. 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.480 How we are alive from the Scouting com Bye life 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:23.160 from Radio Row. We just had Pete Priscoe. Matt Miller 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:26.600 from ESPN will be joining as shortly. For now, it's 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:30.280 John Osier and I and your dog on your phone 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:32.960 just popped up. Yes, I have been face timing and 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:36.080 security cameraing my dog all week. We're going home tomorrow, 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:38.520 so don't worry. We're getting back to him soon. He's 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:43.280 george excited. No, he's very excited as Okay, So here's 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:45.000 the deal, and it's kind of crazy to think about this. 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:50.160 Cam Robinson could completely define how the draft stands, not 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:52.840 just for the Jaguars, for all other teams. I was 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.640 talking to NFL Networks analysts about this day and they're like, yeah, 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.800 like that's not underrated. Whatever happens with Cam Robinson determines 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.640 what the Jaguars will pick determined second, third, fourth, fifth 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.679 of all of these NFL teams. Yeah, no pressure, Cam Robinson, 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:10.200 And in turn, it determines how the Jaguars will shape 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:13.760 their own offensive line. It could also determine whether or 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.479 not they have somebody to package with Josh Allen or not, 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:19.720 because if they pick Evan Neil, then all of a sudden, 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:23.000 they can't pick the potentially pass rushing on the other side. 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.560 It affects a lot of dominance. Again, That's why this 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:29.399 is not you know, trend ball. Keep calling me aside 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.440 and whispering what's gonna happen? Just sort of reading t 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:35.679 le's listening. You just wonder if the move isn't to 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:39.199 retain Cam who they know can play in the NFL, 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:41.439 and no, can do it keep a good player or 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.639 potentially a very good player and then add a pass 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:48.480 rusher to it, therefore having more good pieces in that 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:52.840 front nine, if you will. Uh, that feels to me 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:56.080 like a team that needs talent a route they might go. 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.680 We'll see and uh, Matt Miller coming in here now, 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.800 Matt Miller will definitely know the answer to this. Hello, Matt, 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.040 how are you? I know it right? I hope you 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:07.000 know the answer. Let goody, it's good to see you. 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:09.880 Thank you for joining us. Congrats on your contract extension. 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:12.960 What a week for you. Free agency has already started 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.040 for me, right, so it's good. It's a good time. 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:17.959 So Matt Miller on ESPN, a big time draft analysts, 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:19.800 we're just talking about the number one overall pick and 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:22.520 do you go defensive end? Do you go offensive line? 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:25.400 And everyone we've talked to kind of has different opinions, 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:27.080 which is a good thing to happen. Yeah, it's a 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:28.480 good thing. I think it also speaks to the way 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:30.719 that this draft class is stacked right where there's not 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.639 that consensus number one player like last year when you 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:36.240 guys got it's the best quarterback prospect in a long time. 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:40.520 So I default towards the idea of protecting Trevor Lawrence. Obviously, 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.240 Cam Robinson's a free agent. I do like Walker Little, 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:44.879 who they drafted in the second round out of Stanford 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:46.959 last year. But I think when you have an opportunity 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.439 to get an elite left tackle, you have to do 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:51.560 that to protect your own quarterback. You know, I was 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:54.160 on with a team earlier today. I mentioned to them 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:56.440 that's really what that's been the model. You know. Buffalo 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:59.280 bought am offensive line for Josh Allen. Kansas City went 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:01.199 all in last year for Patrick Mahomes to have an 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:03.360 offensive line, and we saw I think in the Super 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:06.080 Bowl how important that is with Andrew Witworth's great play 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:09.240 and the Bengals struggles up front. So I would trend 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:12.080 more in that direction. Pass rusher is very important. I 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:14.640 think a left tackle for a young quarterback, his paramount though, 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:19.119 Is Neil elite? Is he that much better than the 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:21.200 others in sort of that group that's at the top 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:22.760 in your opinion. But I think a lot of that's 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:24.560 gonna get figured out, you know, the next couple of days. 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:26.880 Not the hedge on that. No, I don't think he's 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:29.159 head and shoulders above everyone else, you know, not to 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:31.240 keep throwing back to last year, but last year Trevor 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:34.320 was head and shoulders above anyone else at the position. 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.720 Right So I think Evan Neil ikey Ikwanu they're very 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:40.520 much still, I think in competition for who's going to 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:43.200 be the first pick, and in those opinions are gonna vary. 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:45.400 I think you talked to some scheme teams. Their scheme 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:48.760