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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, March third. This is Jaguars Happy Hour

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Speaker 1: and now the father of journalistic sportswriting and the mother

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Speaker 1: of George Jihan Osier and Ashlyn's Sullivan, welcome in Jaguars

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Speaker 1: Happy Hour. We are live from the NFL Scouting Combine,

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Speaker 1: Indian India in Indianapolis on Radio Row. It is our

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Speaker 1: fourth day of Jaguars coverage on Jaguars dot Com. A

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Speaker 1: lot of news coming out on Tuesday. I know you

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Speaker 1: are hut till Saturday, and we were just saying, when

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Speaker 1: this thing dwindles down, it dwindles down quickly. It's I

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Speaker 1: mean that room out there, we're the only ones left,

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Speaker 1: is the only one loved your CBS, your big time

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Speaker 1: well and we have to stay on Saturday, all right, guys,

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Speaker 1: So let's start with Tuesday. We came here, there was

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Speaker 1: a big Jaguars news that Peterson Trent Bauky spoke to

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Speaker 1: the media, and we started Tuesday morning with the news

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Speaker 1: that the Jaguars have decided they will higher an executive

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Speaker 1: vice president. Thoughts I don't like it. I think they

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Speaker 1: needed to bring a guy above Trent Bulky and and

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Speaker 1: let him have some input into the way things are run. Uh,

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Speaker 1: maybe not have the final decision making power, but also

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Speaker 1: be a guy who can add his insight into that,

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Speaker 1: because where are they now? You have Doug Peterson who's

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Speaker 1: in there, but now you also have the general manager

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Speaker 1: who's the same guy that was the general manager a

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Speaker 1: year ago. And so I think that's part of the

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Speaker 1: problem here, I really do. And I look, I've made

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Speaker 1: I haven't shied away from it. I think they needed

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Speaker 1: to make a change at general manager. I'm not as

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Speaker 1: adamant about it as the fans are, and nor do

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Speaker 1: I think shots a clown for not making that move.

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Speaker 1: But they needed to make a move. Just why didn't

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Speaker 1: they just start all over again? But as it is now,

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Speaker 1: it's all on Trent and and Doug Peterson to get along.

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Speaker 1: And I asked, We had Doug on our our set

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Speaker 1: the other day, and I asked him, I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's the fans wanted him out, there were people that

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Speaker 1: didn't want to come work here with him. What is

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Speaker 1: your relationship with him? And have you paid attention to that?

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Speaker 1: And he said, look, I'm not looking into the rear

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Speaker 1: view mirror. I'm looking forward. So I understand it from

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Speaker 1: his standpoint, I just would have made a change. Pete,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure you've been on our I guess the

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Speaker 1: channels is the word you use, right, that's this, that's

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Speaker 1: the word the kids use. Um. But I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: we've talked to you much since the Peterson higher h.

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Speaker 1: You obviously know Doug from before. Uh talk about him,

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Speaker 1: talk about what he's gonna bring. What are your impressions? Well,

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Speaker 1: I think this was a job. And I'm a big

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Speaker 1: Byron left which guy. I love Byron, I always have.

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Speaker 1: I've always had a great relationship with him. I don't

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Speaker 1: think this would have been a good job for Byron.

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Speaker 1: I think Byron is gonna be a great coach down

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Speaker 1: the road, but this wouldn't have been it. They treated

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Speaker 1: him poorly in Jackson, let's be honest about it. He's

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Speaker 1: still had some bad blood about that. And I think

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Speaker 1: this was a team that needed a guy with skins

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Speaker 1: on the wall. And by that I mean a guy

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Speaker 1: who has the cash a that the Super Bowl rank

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Speaker 1: you can come in there and clean up the mess.

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Speaker 1: And it was a mess that's being left behind, and

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Speaker 1: so I think that's the most important thing. And he's

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Speaker 1: a good offense and mine. Oh you have to do

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Speaker 1: you have to do this. Look, you want a super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: Nick Foles? I'm shocked. Oh my god, he want a

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Speaker 1: super Bowl? At Nick Foles? You put him coaching Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame just for doing that. How will his uh?

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Speaker 1: You know again, you study more other team schemes and

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Speaker 1: we get a chance to detail wise, how do you

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Speaker 1: expect the offense with Peterson to look? How is this

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Speaker 1: gonna look? Explain that to fans in Yan's terms. Well, look,

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Speaker 1: it's not gonna be the wide zone that everybody you

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Speaker 1: don't want to which I think is the perfect offense

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Speaker 1: for a lot of quarterbacks. You know, where you run

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Speaker 1: the wide zone like the forty Niners do. It makes

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Speaker 1: it so much easier on them. The old Kyle Shanahan offense.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've seen them rush for three yards once

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Speaker 1: it easier on the quarterback. So this is gonna be

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Speaker 1: It'll be a lot like their offense, you know, the

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid pro style offense, which means it's gonna cater

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Speaker 1: When he was there, it was probably gonna win it.

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Speaker 1: it's perfect for Trevor Lawrence. It's a quarterback centric offense. Now,

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Speaker 1: there's always been criticism of this offense that you don't

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Speaker 1: Doug will be more much more balanced. I think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: most of the offenses that have had most of the

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Speaker 1: at a pretty high level and even with an average

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Speaker 1: it's just key, oh man, I'm getting it all out.

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Speaker 1: And then when I come back and do the thing

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Speaker 1: with Boselli in the fall, then we'll get it out.

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Speaker 1: Even I will say, and this it sounds cliche, but

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Speaker 1: we've met Doug Peterson now a couple of times like,

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Speaker 1: all right, great guy, But then we followed him around

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Speaker 1: his meted tour where you were at CBS and he

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Speaker 1: he's not a good guy. He's out really good guy.

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Speaker 1: And again, that can only take you so far. But

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Speaker 1: I'm all for that treat not how you treat your players,

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Speaker 1: day today? Or walk by him or whatever. And we've had,

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Speaker 1: we've seen guys who've done that, and not just in Jacksonville,

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Speaker 1: but everywhere. It just doesn't work because I think the

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Speaker 1: with with you know, Doug smart enough to realize treat

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Speaker 1: everybody with respect, not just your players. How important is it?

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Speaker 1: And it's pretty self evident. But my thought is, Doug

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Speaker 1: in March fifteenth, whenever he talks to him first April two.

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Speaker 1: The instant credibility combined with the ability to reach, Uh,

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Speaker 1: that we've heard the stories, many of them and yeah,

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Speaker 1: not like everybody goes, who's a great leader in the NFL?

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Speaker 1: Why is he a great leader? If you're good, you're

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be a good leader. Is he any good?

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Speaker 1: I mean, if Tom Brady was a sixth round pick,

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Speaker 1: all those years. They follow greatness. And so he's got

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl ring, they're gonna follow him from the start.

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Speaker 1: If he gets another one, they'll follow him everywhere. In

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Speaker 1: the last couple of months until they figure out if

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Speaker 1: he's good or not. It's had the NFL good good

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Speaker 1: earns you respect period. Easy enough, all right, this room

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Speaker 1: is buzzing the entire week about the number one overall pick.

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Speaker 1: We've talked to a bunch of draft fantilists and everyone.

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Speaker 1: I mean, at first it was Evan Neil. Now we're

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Speaker 1: hearing some different names. What are you thinking? I think

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Speaker 1: it should be Evan Neil. Did you see him today?

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Speaker 1: He's standard thirty pounds and he looks like he weighs

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Speaker 1: a hundred and seventy. That tells you what kind of

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Speaker 1: the shape he's in a and what kind of body

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Speaker 1: has he has the capability to get bigger. He reminds

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Speaker 1: me of Tristan Worfs. And you saw what Tristan worse

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Speaker 1: did you know as a rookie end last year. He's

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Speaker 1: what do you do with Walker Little? How about this scenario?

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Speaker 1: You could do this? You play Walker Little at left tackle,

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Speaker 1: you play Taylor at right tackle, and you play Neil

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Speaker 1: at guard, and people say, well, how can you do that? Well,

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Speaker 1: forward scenarios, what if Taylor plays great, maybe almost at

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Speaker 1: just in disagreement if they went with Aidan Hudginson. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't know. I wouldn't. It wouldn't be that much. No,

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Speaker 1: absolutely not. You can never go wrong getting another pass rusher.

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Speaker 1: concern with Hutchinson is he's so good right now with

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Speaker 1: the college game. When you get the NFL game, those

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Speaker 1: he's a Bosa. I don't think he's Nick Bosa. I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's Joey Bosa. I just, you know, because

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Speaker 1: have been those prodigies for a long time. So is

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Speaker 1: he just what is he? That's my concern. If he

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Speaker 1: great pick, but there's still some questions about where his

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Speaker 1: dilemma of this draft is everybody you bring up at

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Speaker 1: one there's a relatively big yeah, but involved even with

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Speaker 1: Evan Neil, you know, not necessarily an absolute play and

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Speaker 1: play left tackle. Well, he would be. I think he

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Speaker 1: would be. But if you drafted Walker Little where you

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Speaker 1: drafted him last year, what do you do with him?

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Speaker 1: And they I mean what you saw from Walker Little

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Speaker 1: and last week of the season that was if he

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Speaker 1: can play like that all the time, that's a legitimate

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Speaker 1: it's a pleasant problem to have. You could. Haven't we

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Speaker 1: seen over the course of the last two Super Bowls

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Speaker 1: the team that doesn't have the offensive line doesn't win.

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Speaker 1: bad if you have Trevor Lawrence to get better upfront.

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Speaker 1: So in this situation, you're saying, let Cam Robinson walk,

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Speaker 1: don't bring him back. I'm walking them and I'm walking him.

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Speaker 1: I'll let him walk. Play little Neil and Taylor, and

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Speaker 1: and you gotta get it quick with the Jaguars. Then

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Speaker 1: sitting at thirty three, it seems like, alright, the elite

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Speaker 1: wide receivers might be gone by then. Do you use

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Speaker 1: some capital to trade up, maybe try to get one

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Speaker 1: of those guys. Yeah, I wouldn't be against it at all.

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Speaker 1: And I think the good news is you're getting Travis c.

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Speaker 1: Tam back next year. Be insuring to see how Doug

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Speaker 1: Peterson wants to use him, you know, after after last year,

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Speaker 1: there's being some conversation about him doing different things. But

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Speaker 1: I do think that using some capital to go get

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Speaker 1: an elite receiver. And and there are five or six

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Speaker 1: first round receivers in this class, but they might all

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Speaker 1: be top twenty picks, you know, a couple of them.

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Speaker 1: Jamison Williams tears his a cl in the National Championship game,

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Speaker 1: but he's weeks ahead in his recovery. You know, he's

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Speaker 1: not gonna miss much time. His teammate John Metchi tears

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Speaker 1: is a seal on the SEC Championship game. He's saying

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Speaker 1: that he's close to too ready already. So I do

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Speaker 1: think that if if someone starts to slip, that it

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Speaker 1: could be a good opportunity to move up five picks,

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Speaker 1: six picks and make sure you're getting You know that

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Speaker 1: that as much as Trevor needs left tackle, he needs

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Speaker 1: a number one receiver as well, right, so making sure

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Speaker 1: that he leaves this draft knowing, Okay, my backside is

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Speaker 1: protected and I have a best friend at wide receiver

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Speaker 1: to throw too. The consensus, uh seems to be a

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Speaker 1: okay to a good draft at the top, but that

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Speaker 1: it stays pretty be good for a long time in

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Speaker 1: this draft? Is that the way you see it as well? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen this type of like

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Speaker 1: we call it flat right, So the difference between the

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Speaker 1: number four overall player and the number twenty overall player,

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Speaker 1: it's not that big, right. I think that a lot

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Speaker 1: of people are down on the draft because there's not

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks like we saw five in the top fifteen

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Speaker 1: last year. But I think if you need to tackle

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Speaker 1: a receiver and edge rusher, corner line, like it's so

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Speaker 1: deep at those positions where you are in round two

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Speaker 1: and three still looking at players like, gosh, these guys

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Speaker 1: are starters. You know. I did a I did a

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Speaker 1: mock draft exercise. I don't even publish it, just didn't

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Speaker 1: a mock draft to see kind of how things fell out.

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Speaker 1: And I was in round three and was like, there's

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Speaker 1: no way this player should still be on the board,

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Speaker 1: Like what where did I mess up? But like, no,

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Speaker 1: the draft is just that deep that guys who could

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Speaker 1: be ranked in the fifties could be there in round

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Speaker 1: three just because teams are are drafting for need or

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Speaker 1: guys are are slipping through the cracks a little bit.

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Speaker 1: That's always interesting to me. How many mock drafts do

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Speaker 1: you do? Oh? A lot, a lot, you know. Now,

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Speaker 1: thankfully I love my new employers. We don't have to

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Speaker 1: do as many, right, but there's an instatiable need for

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Speaker 1: or thirst for. You know, we could put one out

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Speaker 1: every day and fans would love it. And there's so

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Speaker 1: many different scenarios that you can run through that I

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Speaker 1: think that that makes it interesting. You know, if if

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville takes Aidan Hutchinson it changes everything, Or if they

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Speaker 1: take Evan Neil, what is that? What does that do?

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Speaker 1: So I think that's what makes it fun. You know,

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Speaker 1: I love that part of this job. That was I

487
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Speaker 1: fell in love with it as a young child doing

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Speaker 1: mock drafts in my parents house, you know, so I

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Speaker 1: still still love doing that, and I think that that

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Speaker 1: is what makes it fun, is the hope of this

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Speaker 1: one pick could change our franchise. But then also, okay,

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Speaker 1: how do we put this puzzle together? That is a

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Speaker 1: fifty three man roster. How concerned were the parents when

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Speaker 1: very when they brought this, Because my parents got concerned

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Speaker 1: when I was doing stats all the time as a kid,

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Speaker 1: So that's how they knew I was. We're going off

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Speaker 1: topic here. It's a true story. I almost got kicked

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Speaker 1: out of high school. I was a good kid, right,

499
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Speaker 1: I almost got kicked at high school because I was

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Speaker 1: skipp school to play Madden so much. My parents didn't know,

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Speaker 1: so they were like, you missed twenty days this semester.

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Speaker 1: What do you like, Does he have the flu or

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Speaker 1: what's happening. There's no I was just addicted to playing

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Speaker 1: Madden and making mock drafts. So it worked out. Mom

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Speaker 1: and dad like, I'm it worked out, But there was

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Speaker 1: there was a time I think they probably wondered what

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Speaker 1: I was doing man on a football stack. And it's

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Speaker 1: been fascinating. As I've tried in the last couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks to sort of get up to speed with draft,

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Speaker 1: it strikes you that there maybe a better chance this year.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it will happen, but there's more discussion

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Speaker 1: of say, Kyle Hamilton's maybe at number one. I doubt

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Speaker 1: it will happen. They'd be an unusual position, but not

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Speaker 1: a complete shock. Considering the draft wide open. You also

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Speaker 1: are hearing more talk about linebacker again becoming an elite position.

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Speaker 1: Are we seeing any sort of a change in a

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Speaker 1: trendle on those lines of how teams are viewing certain

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Speaker 1: positions in terms of draft value. I think so. I

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Speaker 1: think we can look at last year Kyle Pitts being

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Speaker 1: a tight end being drafted in the top five. That

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Speaker 1: almost never happens. T J. Hockenson, you know, several years

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Speaker 1: before that was a great player as well. But I

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Speaker 1: think what Kyle Pitts Kyle Hamilton's a very good comparison

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Speaker 1: to that of you're not truly just a position here,

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Speaker 1: not just a safety, You're not just a linebacker. You

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Speaker 1: are a defensive weapon or defensive playmaker, and you know,

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Speaker 1: we can deploy you in all these different ways to

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Speaker 1: match up against tight ends or big receivers or to

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Speaker 1: spy mobile quarterbacks. So I think that's what makes Kyle

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Speaker 1: Hamilton's arguably the best player in this class. He's a

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Speaker 1: high i Q, highly productive, multi year starter who is

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Speaker 1: also somewhat of an anomaly from his athletic gift standpoint

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Speaker 1: At six ft Four to twenty UM. So I do

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Speaker 1: think that there is a solid argument for I was

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Speaker 1: asked just a little bigger if you could pick one

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Speaker 1: player in this class be a Hall of Famer, who

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Speaker 1: would it be? And I say Kyle Hamilton's right, because

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Speaker 1: he is just that unique of a skill set that, yes,

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Speaker 1: you could argue positional value is not great. But in

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Speaker 1: a draft that lacks that elite player at the high

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Speaker 1: positions of value, maybe you just go with the best

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Speaker 1: football player sometimes. Yeah, And obviously I need for the

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Speaker 1: jag Wars as well, right a case for it. We

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Speaker 1: asked this this week because I feel like in Jacksonville

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Speaker 1: every offseason we have this hope and this optimism and

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Speaker 1: you almost get in this whole of just hoping and

547
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Speaker 1: wishing for positivity people yet people for a national outlook ESPN. Obviously,

548
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Speaker 1: where are the Jaguars right now? Where do you see them? Um?

549
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Speaker 1: An unknown? You know? But the Bengals two years ago

550
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Speaker 1: where we made fun of the Bengals tw years ago

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Speaker 1: because they only have like seven scouts, you know, and

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Speaker 1: it was like what are they what are they doing? Right?

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Speaker 1: And even you know, when they took Jamar Chase, people

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Speaker 1: scoffed at that of what what are you doing taking

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Speaker 1: a receiver? Well, they were in the Super Bowl after

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Speaker 1: having the number one picked two years before. So I

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Speaker 1: think for Jags fans there is a model that you

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Speaker 1: can be excited about of you can turn this around

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00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,719
Speaker 1: very quickly, you know, if you get things right. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's where the Bengals drafted so well, not

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Speaker 1: just in round one, been in round two getting Jesse Bates,

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Speaker 1: in round three getting Logan Wilson. It's not just hitting

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Speaker 1: in round one, it's hitting in rounds two and three

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Speaker 1: and getting starters out of that group. So I think

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Speaker 1: that's where you know, Trent and Doug Peterson have to

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Speaker 1: be smart about. It's not just about pick one, because

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Speaker 1: I just about pick thirty three. We gotta make sure

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Speaker 1: that we get sixty five right and you gotta make

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Speaker 1: sure you get you know, sub subsequent rounds. You have

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Speaker 1: to be pulling starters. You talked to draft people all

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Speaker 1: over the league and inside the league inside buildings. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm curious if you think had there been a number

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Speaker 1: a true lead receiver, had there been a Jamaar Chase

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Speaker 1: level wide receiver in this draft, which I guess the

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Speaker 1: consensus is there's not. But considering the way the league's

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Speaker 1: going and his success, could we see in the next

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Speaker 1: ten years a wide receiver again go one Keyshwan did

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Speaker 1: last time. Possibly. I think it would take someone who is,

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Speaker 1: you know, a Julio Jones type, Calvin Johnson type. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna need to be, you know, six four running a

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Speaker 1: four three, But it is possible. I think one thing

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Speaker 1: that that would hurt that argument would be that we're

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Speaker 1: seeing so many receivers come out around two that are successful.

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Speaker 1: A J. Brown and DK Metcalf, you know, out of

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Speaker 1: round two have been great players. Even in Cincinnati, you know,

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Speaker 1: Tyler Boyden t Higgins are very good players. So I

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Speaker 1: think that is one area where at the receiver position,

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00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: much like a corner right now, are you better off

589
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Speaker 1: drafting one earlier or you better off drafting a couple

590
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Speaker 1: late who are standout athletes, like a Tyreek Hill that

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Speaker 1: you can maybe mold and develop a little bit. Our

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00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 1: teams at all. Shying away from or not shying makes

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Speaker 1: you need defensive players, but devaluing it a little bit

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Speaker 1: because of a thought of hey, if you don't score

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Speaker 1: in this league, you don't win. I definitely think so,

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Speaker 1: and I do think that's why this year might be

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Speaker 1: an outlier in that case, because of the way the

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00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: draft talent is tacked. But I do think that there's

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00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: much more of an emphasis on getting playmakers, building offensive lines,

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Speaker 1: and and going more of those positions. Obviously, corner and

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Speaker 1: pass rusher are always going to be early picks, but

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Speaker 1: I think for you know, d tackles, linebackers, I do

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00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: think that position starting to slide a little bit. Yes,

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Speaker 1: points are fun and the Jars, Yes, absolutely, Matt Miller,

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Speaker 1: thank you for your Thank you guys so much, fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Still to come on Jaguars Happy or John

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Speaker 1: Ore and I break down the draft coming up shortly,

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Speaker 1: stay with us. Welcome back to Jaguars Happy Are We

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Speaker 1: are alive from the scouting Combine, live from Indie, Live

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Speaker 1: from Radio Row. This is day four of Jaguars dot

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Speaker 1: Com coverage. Much more to come the rest of the week.

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Speaker 1: We will be heading out tomorrow morning. You leave in

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Speaker 1: this afternoon. I'm leaving as soon as we get a Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's been a long week. It's definitely it's windles quickly

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Speaker 1: after Wednesday, that's for sure, And it's crazy to think

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Speaker 1: that free agency is in two weeks. We spoke to

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Speaker 1: Trent Bulky on Tuesday, we kind of asked his mindset

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Speaker 1: of free agency. He said, we have the money, we're

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Speaker 1: going to spend it. We're gonna be aggressive. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to note that every time he

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Speaker 1: said aggressive and Doug Peterson said in that chair right there,

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Speaker 1: Slynn did and said the same thing aggressive, But then

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Speaker 1: seconds later they both said, you have to be aggressive

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Speaker 1: within a plan, and you have to make sure you're

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00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: gonna have to the right player. So, UM, I do

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Speaker 1: think you're going to see the Jaguars very much in on,

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00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: much more high, high profile home run guys than you

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Speaker 1: saw last year. I don't think you're gonna see fans

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Speaker 1: as upset at what they perceived as in activity on

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Speaker 1: this first for days. UM. I hope that they don't

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Speaker 1: go overboard with it. I hope that they don't spend

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00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: for the sake of spending. I don't think they will. UM.

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Speaker 1: I think Trent's point that he was making with you

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Speaker 1: have to make sure that the guys you pay are worthwhile,

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Speaker 1: not only for on the field, but for in the

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Speaker 1: locker room. For what you were trying to build here. Um,

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Speaker 1: this is not a case where you're trying to add

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Speaker 1: one piece to get to a Super Bowl. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: news flash. And I think the Jaguars might have a

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Speaker 1: year before there at that point, So you're still very

641
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Speaker 1: much in a build. With that being kept in mind,

642
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Speaker 1: you want to make sure that you have team and

643
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Speaker 1: locker room and everybody buying into what's going on as

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Speaker 1: much as you can. So you've got to make sure

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Speaker 1: that the guys you were paying are good fits and

646
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Speaker 1: at least feel like two or three year foundation pieces

647
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Speaker 1: rather than just, hey, we're adding a piece to the

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Speaker 1: puzzle here. Yeah, it was interesting when we Trent Balky

649
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Speaker 1: right after he said yes, we want to be aggressive.

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Speaker 1: He also said players in the locker room know when

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Speaker 1: a free agent is worth paying. And that was really

652
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Speaker 1: interesting because you always hear fans and us a lot

653
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Speaker 1: of time say I'll just pay him. You have the money,

654
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Speaker 1: we'll go hit the home run and pay him. He said, yeah, Well,

655
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Speaker 1: players in the locker room turn on the film and

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Speaker 1: they know if he's worth all that money, and not

657
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Speaker 1: to mention, they're going to compare. He got that contract,

658
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Speaker 1: he's playing this level. I'm here playing this level and

659
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Speaker 1: you have to balance it. You have to be aggressive,

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Speaker 1: and if you're going to be in free agency, being

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Speaker 1: aggressive means by definition, over paying. Yeah, you're always going

662
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Speaker 1: to be signing a check where you think it's more

663
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Speaker 1: than I wanted to pay for that guy, because that's

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Speaker 1: the reality, not just in Jacksonville, but everywhere you're gonna pay.

665
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Speaker 1: You're going to overpay for a fifth year guy that

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Speaker 1: you consider close to elite because there's only so many

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Speaker 1: of those available in free agency. So the supply and

668
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Speaker 1: demand equation demands that he gets overpaid. But you have

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Speaker 1: to balance that with the idea of what Trent Balky

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Speaker 1: also talked about this week. You cannot build a competitive

671
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Speaker 1: roster continuously paying eleven million dollars for a three million

672
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Speaker 1: dollar player, and he used that exact numbers, but his

673
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Speaker 1: point was if you do that three or four times,

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Speaker 1: you are automatically taking away assets that you should be

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Speaker 1: using for other areas of your team and over paying

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Speaker 1: for an area that you're not getting production from. That

677
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: takes two pieces away, and over time, you're going to

678
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Speaker 1: be a dysfunctional franchise. Was very bad roster fans out

679
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: there saying, well, the Jaguars have been that. Well. True,

680
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Speaker 1: but you still can't overdo that or you will never

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Speaker 1: get to where you want to go. Yeah, and just

682
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Speaker 1: because you have all this cap space and get it

683
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean okay, well let's just just spend it all

684
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Speaker 1: over the place and then we'll be in a bad

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Speaker 1: place in three years. That's not how it works. That said,

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Speaker 1: it does sound as if what they were talking about

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Speaker 1: this week from piecing different places together, Trent Pauki and Peterson,

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Speaker 1: both on the podium, both talking to local media, both

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Speaker 1: talking to us, it certainly sounds like at wide receiver especially,

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Speaker 1: they really is that is a position where we have

691
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Speaker 1: to get better. We have to get experienced better, and

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Speaker 1: we have to get rookie build guy better. Would not

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Speaker 1: surprise me at all. Huge free agent signing plus number

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Speaker 1: thirty three overall in the draft to try to get

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Speaker 1: that spot to a point where you can add it

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Speaker 1: to some serviceable players on the roster, some productive players

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Speaker 1: on the roster. Not have the guys on the roster

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Speaker 1: have to be stars, have them be part of a

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Speaker 1: good wide receiver package. That seems to be the goal

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Speaker 1: of this regime right now. Yeah, we asked Trent bulky

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Speaker 1: the need for speed. Where do you get need for speeds?

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Speaker 1: My thing this week I've said that like twelve times,

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Speaker 1: need for speed, and we asked, Okay, do you get

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Speaker 1: in free agenty do you get in the draft? He

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Speaker 1: looks at as a matter of Factling goes both. So

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Speaker 1: tonight the wide receivers are working out the first for

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Speaker 1: the on field. So tonight's a big night for Trent

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Speaker 1: Balky and the scouting staff because yeah, thirty three just

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Speaker 1: it makes all the sense in the world. It is,

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Speaker 1: and I really think we missed out on the potential

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Speaker 1: for a fascinating what is it now? March three, couple

712
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Speaker 1: of months leading to the draft, had there been elite

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Speaker 1: wide receiver guy draft. I just asked Matt Miller and

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Speaker 1: he sort of, you know, didn't really go there that

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Speaker 1: it could have happened this year, had had Jamar Chase

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Speaker 1: or that level of kids be available in this draft,

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Speaker 1: with the Jaguars sitting there with that need um, I

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Speaker 1: don't know that they would have done it, but it

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Speaker 1: would have been fascinating to find out how close they

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Speaker 1: came to it, because this feels like a year where

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Speaker 1: that could have happened. I can we agree with with

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Speaker 1: Matt Miller. For the most part, your positional value. Most years,

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Speaker 1: you're just still going to have quarterback, tackle or pass rusher,

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Speaker 1: probably the number one overall picking the draft. This felt

725
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Speaker 1: like a year where had there been an elite Julio Jones,

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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase type guy coming out. You just wonder how

727
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Speaker 1: tempted the Jaguars might have been. Yeah, are even crazy

728
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Speaker 1: to think if this isn't if this is last year

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Speaker 1: and Kyle Pitts is there and you need a tight

730
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Speaker 1: and so bad do you even reach for that? Which

731
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Speaker 1: is crazy? I think that a tight and go one,

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Speaker 1: But man, you need it. If it's there. Kits was

733
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Speaker 1: in this draft. Um, I'd begin a lot of these

734
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Speaker 1: own questions about it. Yes you sure? How it answered? Yes? Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: We have much more to come on Jaguars Happy Hours,

736
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Speaker 1: Stay with us, much more draft talk, much more Combine

737
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Speaker 1: talk coming up, Stay with us. Welcome back Jaguars Happy Hour.

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Speaker 1: John Osier and Ashland Sullivan here live in Indianapolis, live

739
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Speaker 1: at Radio Row. Our last day of live coverage here

740
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Speaker 1: from the Indianapolis Scouting Combine and major news today regarding

741
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: COVID and oh my gosh, we have made it for

742
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Speaker 1: two years there have been strict protocols and tears and

743
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Speaker 1: testing and tracking devices and separate hallways, and now today

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00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 1: they cleared the protocols we've been waiting for. This day.

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Speaker 1: It really happy. It's acted us Slim, you know, take

746
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Speaker 1: people behind the scenes. There's been certain things we have

747
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Speaker 1: been able to do. It's been certain interviews we haven't

748
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: been able to, uh to get your famous walk offs,

749
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: able to get as many a camp camping next one

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Speaker 1: as he likes. So that will come back. More pertinent

751
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: to football operations is the players. I think we'll have

752
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: a chance to get back to normal in terms of

753
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: their routine, in terms of not having to test and

754
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 1: and I think that will create more of a chance

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00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: for team more together and it's more camaraderie, less separation

756
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: in the locker room. For the players, I think they

757
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: will look forward to getting back to what they I

758
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: guess the football environment that they all grew up with,

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Speaker 1: you know, to be in the locker room, uh, be

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Speaker 1: on the team bus, not separated. All those things that

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Speaker 1: they grew up around. They will be able to get

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Speaker 1: back too. And it will just make organizationally, it's much

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Speaker 1: easier to function in the NFL more bonding. Yes, he's awesome.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of bonding, kind of speaking NFL Combine. So today

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Speaker 1: is tonight is on field workouts, but the Jaguars have

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Speaker 1: been going through formal interviews this entire week. Those started

767
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Speaker 1: Tuesday and they will interview forty five prospects for fifteen

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Speaker 1: minutes each. And we sat down with head coach Doug

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Speaker 1: Peterson about this process. This is now his thirteenth year

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Speaker 1: at the NFL Combine and he said he gets so

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Speaker 1: much out of the formal interview process. The coolest part

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Speaker 1: about it, Johnny, you'll be able to watch this interview

773
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: soon on Jaguars dot com is he talked about the

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Speaker 1: skill positions and what they use the white board forward

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Speaker 1: in that portion in quarterbacks and wide receivers drawing up

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Speaker 1: place and you could just see the football. I Q

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00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: was really starting to go when you asked him about that,

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00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: and a guy was so much experience. To have him

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Speaker 1: in your room doing that is crucial. Yeah, and they

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Speaker 1: get a chance. I doubt that they make their final

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Speaker 1: decision based on that, but it's certainly when they put

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00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: these guys on the board and they start talking next

783
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Speaker 1: as and os with him, it gives them an idea

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Speaker 1: of their personality type. And I'm not sure if it

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Speaker 1: was Doug or Trent. May have been. Doug said on

786
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Speaker 1: our air this week. Um, it gives you a chance

787
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Speaker 1: to see how they function in the workday under pressure.

788
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Speaker 1: And that's what the Combine can give them. Not necessarily

789
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Speaker 1: anything specific out of an interview, but if if you

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Speaker 1: give a kid, hey, what would you do in this situation,

791
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Speaker 1: here's our scheme, what would you expect out of this?

792
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: It gives them a chance to see how they react.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna cover Tony Dungeon, Indianapolis. He used to talk

794
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Speaker 1: about he would come to the Combine and as much

795
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Speaker 1: as he would get something out of the interview process,

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Speaker 1: his thing was some of those answers are very canned.

797
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Speaker 1: So what he would do often is go and watch

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Speaker 1: guys during their drills when they didn't know they were

799
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Speaker 1: being watched, how they behaved around other uh other prospects

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Speaker 1: in their group, whether they were naturally the leader, whether

801
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 1: they were reserved. And he said, you didn't make decisions

802
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: based on it, but you know, coaches have never seen

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00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: and been around these guys before, so they're just looking

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Speaker 1: for something to give them an idea, What is this

805
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 1: guy going to be like once he's in our building?

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00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: What am I dealing with? Can you function with the

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00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: rest of the people. Is it going to be a problem.

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00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: Probably doesn't make your decision number one. But when you're

809
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Speaker 1: in the third round and you're wondering about and you've

810
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: got five guys on the board, at some point it

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Speaker 1: becomes a gut feeling where somebody says, you know what,

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Speaker 1: all five of those guys are fine. I had a

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Speaker 1: good vibe about this kid. Yeah, absolutely, somewhere as a

814
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: human being that comes into play. Yeah, And it's it's

815
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Speaker 1: funny we're talking about and in some ways everyone can

816
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: relate to this process. It's it's a job interview. And

817
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Speaker 1: granted it's much more pressurized than a normal job interview

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Speaker 1: because it's only fifteen minutes along in front of thirty

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Speaker 1: two NFL teams, But that's what he said. You know,

820
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Speaker 1: it's a formal job interview and NFL Sundays are an

821
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Speaker 1: incredibly high pressured situation. So this is the way it

822
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: has to be. It has to be pressurized, and we

823
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,959
Speaker 1: have to be tough on them because if they can't

824
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Speaker 1: handle it now, they can't handle it on Sunday, and

825
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Speaker 1: fifteen minutes doesn't sound like a lot. But when you

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Speaker 1: start doing the math for every team with the head

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Speaker 1: coach having to be in there forty five times or

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Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, I'm not very good at math, but that's

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Speaker 1: minutes um. The same thing with the prospect. The prospect

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Speaker 1: fifteen minutes times. Say the interview with twelve teams, that's

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Speaker 1: four hours. If if it's all back to back by

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Speaker 1: that eleventh one, you're hearing the same questions in your

833
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: little days. Most teams. Again, as Trent Baulky said on

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Speaker 1: air this week, this is a piece of the puzzle.

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Speaker 1: You don't necessarily blow your chance at being drafted if

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Speaker 1: you have one bad interview. But I think teams do

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Speaker 1: look at a guy who can have a good interview

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Speaker 1: on his eleventh Okay, this kid maybe has a little

839
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Speaker 1: more mental stamina. This kid is you know, by the

840
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: eleventh interview, all your prepared answers are kind of gone,

841
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: so maybe a little bit more of yourself is showing through.

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00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: It's all part of that overall mosaic impression you have

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00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: of a kid. So it's always important to remember the combine.

844
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Speaker 1: As Trent Ball said, this week most general manager's ever

845
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: been around and said it a piece of the puzzle,

846
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: but it's it's their first and sometimes only chance to

847
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: have the personality piece of the puzzle as opposed to

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Speaker 1: film numbers. Uh, it's it's an a live piece rather

849
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Speaker 1: than a computerized piece. And I thought it was really

850
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: interesting because I think the perspective from fans and truthfully

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Speaker 1: me before I've covered this a couple of years, as

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Speaker 1: you come here and you think, okay, they saw all

853
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: these prospects, Now their draft ward is going to completely change.

854
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: They're gonna fly back to Jackson, will tear it all

855
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: up and trump Baulky was saying, not necessarily. It basically says, okay,

856
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: if we missed this and this prospect ran a great

857
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: forty time, how did we miss that? And you go

858
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: back and watch the film. It was just interesting that

859
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: not near as traumatic as he once thought. Bill Polian

860
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: who worked with for ten years, and they used to

861
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: talk about it in exactly the same verbiage that Trent used.

862
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 1: It's a flag if you will. Yeah, you've got your board,

863
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: you've got your rankings, you've got what you think. So

864
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: every part of the draft process is okay. That's there. Okay,

865
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: now we went to his pro day. Does that line

866
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: up with what we thought? Yes, it confirms everything we've

867
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: interviewed the kid. Yes, it confirms everything. You go to

868
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: the combat. Hey, he ran two tents of a second

869
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: faster than we thought he was going to. Okay, well,

870
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: let's go back, let's do the homework, let's make sure

871
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 1: we didn't miss Let's call his college coach, Let's call somebody,

872
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: make sure to can this kid run? Let's go back?

873
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: Or is he just as Trent said the other day?

874
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: Is he just a good tester? It gives them a

875
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: reason to go back and do some extra work and

876
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: make sure they're not missing anything. It's part of the process,

877
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: but in no way. Again, there will be new mock

878
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: drafts next week. Yes, there will be people talking about right,

879
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 1: this guy's stock is right, and that's the great worst

880
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: this the stock is right trendy word around here. That's

881
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: that's great for fans, observers and mock drafters, it's not

882
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: really the reality of how draft rooms work. Closing minutes

883
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 1: here of Jaguars happy Hour, it is going to be

884
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: a very busy next two weeks. Seems like the Jaguars

885
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: off seasons have always been full of storylines lately, but

886
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: these next two weeks kind of underrated. How much will

887
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: be decided in these next two weeks. We're getting a

888
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: lot of questions about why receiver d J Chark? Do

889
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: they franchise tag and when do they bring them back?

890
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: Are they going to let him test free agency? We

891
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: see so many scenarios playing out, and you'd love for

892
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 1: da to come back because he's an awesome player to cover,

893
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: But the more I hear around here it might not

894
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: be the case. Yeah, it's it's tough, and you know,

895
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: I would love for d Jr. To come back. I

896
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: love him as a person. I personally think that what

897
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: we've seen of him over four years, it feels to

898
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: me like he's a guy who is going to have

899
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: a better year five through eight of his career than

900
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 1: he had a year one through four. Um, he made

901
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl in because it was nineteen and to me,

902
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: even the Pro Bowl, you're just scratched the surface. But

903
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: I also get if the Jaguars take the route of

904
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: you know what, we just haven't seen enough. We have

905
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: to go in a different direction, which again I don't

906
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: know if they're going to do that. That's one of

907
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: the options. If they do that, fans are going to

908
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: wonder why. But the reality is he has not shown

909
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: on a consistent basis and done it, and he's had

910
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: four years to do it, so you understand why somebody

911
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: would say, we just haven't seen it yet. So that's

912
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: a direction that I'm not sure which way they're going

913
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: to go. I think people who may be tuning in

914
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: now watch the top of the show. The conversation may

915
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: with Pete Prisco about offensive line. They can go a

916
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: lot of different ways on offensive line coming up, and

917
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: it is not a clear cut dilemma over whether you

918
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: keep Frint, you keep Cam Robinson, you draft a tackle

919
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: in that spot, and there's a domino effect the it's fascinating.

920
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: It is how the negotiations go with Cam is going

921
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 1: to shape a lot of this draft for other teams,

922
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: as we mentioned, and for the Jaguars, and it's uh,

923
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: the reactions to what happens Ashlyn will be very How

924
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: in the world could they do that? The reality is,

925
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: with both of those players, there are arguments to be

926
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: made on both sides. It's what makes it so fascinating

927
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: to me. It is because the m o of the

928
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: Jaguars and past years has been they don't keep their players.

929
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: They're good players, and Doug Peterson and Trump Bulky made

930
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 1: a point on Tuesday to say that, But I don't

931
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: want people to think that means, oh, they're obviously they'm

932
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: going to keep Cam Robinson and d J Chart. That's

933
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: what they meant. Not necessarily. They said this starts right here,

934
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: drafting good players, keeping them. But when I say that,

935
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh, that must mean you know they're paying

936
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: Cam Robinson. Well, not the case I think they would

937
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: like to. I mean, you know, if it's the right

938
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: price and it compromised, oh, there'll be no. You've got

939
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: to make sure that the value fits the player. I

940
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: think they would like to pay Cam. If you're like,

941
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: there are guys they would like to pay, does it

942
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: fit what you want to do long term? And is

943
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: the value there? Uh, it's negligent if the GM and

944
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: personnel people don't take those things in any consideration, and

945
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: this regime certainly will. Yes, it all seems to be

946
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: a compromise, and really a lot of it. When we

947
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: talk about wide receiver is on kind of d J

948
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: Charks shoulders. If he comes down on his price and says,

949
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 1: all right, you know, I'll play for twelve thirteen whatever million. Okay,

950
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: deal done, and you can see that happening. But I

951
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 1: totally see DJ Chark side of you know, I want

952
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: to be wide receiver number one and I want to

953
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: go test the waters to see if I can make

954
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: that twenty million dollar contract. That doesn't seem like he's

955
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: going to get in jackson All yeah, And I have

956
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: no idea the numbers um because the franchise tag I

957
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: think was so close to almost twenty million dollars and

958
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: he's not going to get that. Those are tough. It

959
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: is truly a matter of if he had more product

960
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, even with people making the decisions, I think

961
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: it would be an easier decision for It's also a

962
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: matter of it's very easy to say, well, go test

963
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: free agency, excuse me, and we will see how it goes,

964
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: how the market bears. The problem is realistically, once a

965
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: player gets out there on free agency, it's very rare

966
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: for them to come back to the former team just

967
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: because there's a little bit of a chip. So you

968
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: go to create some negative feelings. You're out there, you're

969
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: being wowed by somebody else. I generally think once a

970
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: player is out there, they don't come back. There's exceptions

971
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: to that rule, but it's always a word. Yes, I

972
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 1: totally agree. And your fear is that if you less

973
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: let them test the waters, or if you let them walk.

974
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: And you see it on a much smaller scale with

975
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: Alan Lizard who was on the Jaguars practice squad. The

976
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: Jaguars let him go and then he becomes a serious

977
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: downfield threat in green Band and everyone uses that example.

978
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: How could you have let him outside your building? That's

979
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: d J Charkin two years killing it for another team.

980
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: Allen Robinson's is good an example of that. Uh, that's

981
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: a real danger with you, because again I think his

982
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: year five through eight will be better than his year

983
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: one through four. Question is does that mean that it's

984
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: worth what he might bear on the open market? Fortunately, Slynn,

985
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: those decisions are way above my pay way. Wait wait

986
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: if I even have a pay grade, I think you do,

987
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: especially here. You've done great work this week, I'll say,

988
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: and you as well. Thank you. All right, so let

989
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: fans know what else is coming up for you the

990
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: rest of the week. The rest of the week um

991
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: will be more coverage still sort of parsing through the

992
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: press conversation Tuesday. Also, I'm not sure that our conversation

993
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 1: with Charles Davis's run yet. Um. That was very interesting.

994
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: We talked to him yesterday. The should runing Jaguars dot Com.

995
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: I'll be writing off that as well. And next week

996
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: I should have an ozone podcast with Tony Pauline, who's

997
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: been with Jaguars dot Com working and talking to us

998
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: for operage of twenty years. And he's always one of

999
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: the most interesting people to talk to in NFL circle.

1000
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: So I would definitely watch for that. Yes, he it's

1001
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 1: a very well connected man. We also have the interview

1002
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: that we talked about with Doug Peterson in the interview room,

1003
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: all about that interview process. That's going to go up

1004
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: Tonight's on Jaguars dot Com. We have on Fuel workouts

1005
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: starting to night. Of course the Hunts are long form series,

1006
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: all kinds of written content as well. It's been a

1007
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: long week, John, We've done a lot of great work.

1008
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 1: I'll say we've done work. We have. It's been great,

1009
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: we absolutely have. And then next week we're gonna start

1010
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 1: on Drivetime and happier we're gonna start talking about free agency.

1011
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: We don't get much break ground here. It comes up

1012
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: quick and the next two weeks. As you said, the

1013
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: future of a lot of different things, long term and

1014
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: short term, will go down in the next week two weeks.

1015
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to. I am to entertaining stuff going

1016
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: on in Jacksonville as well as an indie. Thank you

1017
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: for tuning into our combine coverage. Stay with us on

1018
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: Jaguars dot com. Thanks for tuning into Jaguars Happy Hour.