1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello, 4 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 5 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: my name is Noa. They call me Ben. You of 6 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: course are you? And that makes this stuff they don't 7 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: want you to know. We have a doozy of an 8 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: episode for you today, Ladies and gentlemen, skeptics and true believers, 9 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: friends and neighbors. You've heard longtime listeners about something called disclosure, 10 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: and typically in the realm of uthology, which is a 11 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: fun word to say and it's tricky to spell. It's 12 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: us that one oh after the f you've heard of 13 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: this concept if you're at all interested in allegations of 14 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: extraterrestrial contact, rumors of government involvement with extra terrestrial or 15 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: extra dimensional entities. Right, it's the idea that one or 16 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: more world governments or corporations have not only discovered evidence 17 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: of some otherworldly or other dimensional being, but they have 18 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: also perhaps had contact with these creatures or use technology 19 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: that they have found, and for one reason or another, 20 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: and the reasons can vary, wanted to keep it as secret. Yeah, 21 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,559 Speaker 1: we've been fascinated by the disclosure movement and the UFO 22 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: issue in general for years and years and years. You 23 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: may take your mind back to May of two thousand one, 24 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: when at the National Press Club in Washington, d C. 25 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: A group of twenty government witnesses these are military ex 26 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: military usually who got together and they described a decade's 27 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: long conspiracy to cover up visitation of extraterrestrials to Earth. 28 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: And they discussed how the US government was spending forty 29 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: two eighty billion dollars a year through black budget projects 30 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: to fund this thing. But why, Matt, why would they 31 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: do that? Why would they try to cover up the aliens? 32 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: Because you know, it's just sort of good to have secrets, 33 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: for sure. But you know, according to these people, they 34 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 1: were saying that the government was sitting on alien technology 35 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: that they had reverse engineered from a the Roswell crash 36 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: in seven onward, and that they also could provide unlimited 37 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: energy to all the Earth's inhabitants like right now if 38 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: they wanted to, and they could have since the fifties, 39 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: but they were just keeping it to themselves. And we 40 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: know how the military and the government love to sit 41 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: on technology and keep it away from US mortals as 42 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: long as possible. That is a documented fact. Uh. Unfortunately, 43 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: it is true that there is there is technology hidden 44 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: from the public, or at least technological capacities that have 45 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: not been publicly explored or commercialized. The old joke that 46 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: you might hear a lot of your military official friends 47 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 1: saying when there are a couple of cups in to 48 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 1: their Saturday night is you know, the old the old 49 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: trope that the the military is about five years ahead 50 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: minimum technologically to what we see in the commercial sphere. 51 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: Two thousand and one, Why are we talking about it? Well, 52 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: that date maybe ninth two thousand one, when that press 53 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: conference occurred that could be seen and probably is seen 54 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: by most people as the very beginning of the global 55 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: disclosure movement, and it was headed by a gentleman named 56 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: Stephen Greer, Doctor Stephen Greer, yes Dr Stephen M. Green 57 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: or the most prominent and most well known proponent of 58 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: this disclosure concept, the founder of the project. As Matt mentioned, 59 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: We've received so many emails, tweets, messages scrawled in blood 60 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,679 Speaker 1: and darkened bathroom mirrors, etcetera. You know, however, you choose 61 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: to contact us about this concept of disclosure, and it 62 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: touches on many things. It touches on the exploration of space, 63 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: it touches on the classification of secrets, and it touches 64 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: on the alleged future of energy. So we went to 65 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: the primary source and in today's episode we interview Dr 66 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: Stephen Greer. Uh. He also has a follow up and 67 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: in this interview, we stick to the rules of engagement 68 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: for stuff they don't want you to know. And what 69 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: that means in this case is that we never have 70 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: on this show. We never will on this show tell 71 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: you what to believe. What we attempt instead is to 72 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: present to you the most current and the most prescient 73 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: evolution of the disclosure concept. Dr Stephen Greer is the 74 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: leader in this field, and he is on the bleeding 75 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: edge of this pursuit. So prepare yourselves, keep an open mind. 76 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: There's gonna be so much stuff you're gonna be on 77 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: your computer for several hours after this. And we were 78 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: lucky enough to get an early look at Dr Greer's 79 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: film that's coming out this month called Unacknowledged, where he 80 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: gets some pretty intense interview subjects in the form of 81 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: former retired high level government officials who have a lot 82 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: of very interesting things to say about the UFO phenomenon 83 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: and our current government and our country's involvement with it. Um. 84 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: And you know this is there's a lot to unpack here, um. 85 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: And I, like Ben was saying, what we always try 86 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: to do is present the facts, present, you know, what 87 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,559 Speaker 1: people are saying in the community, surrounding various conspiracy theories 88 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: and such. And here we do nothing less than that. 89 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: We let Dr gear speak for himself and for his 90 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: movement and his beliefs, and we try not to interject. 91 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: But there are some things in this interview that we 92 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: don't necessarily agree with wholeheartedly, but we did not want 93 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: to deprive this very interesting man the opportunity to present 94 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: his views uninhibited. And with that, what say you, gentlemen, 95 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: shall we so? Dr Greer? In another life, so to speak, 96 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: you were a physician, you were the director of a 97 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: medical facility. What made you decide to give up the 98 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: life of a doctor and pursue this UFO issue full time? Yeah? Well, 99 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,799 Speaker 1: I'm actually still a physician and licensed and all of that. However, 100 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: you know, I left my practice as the chairman of 101 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: Emergency Medicine in North Carolina because I realized that nobody 102 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: was really addressing the central problem around the secrecy of 103 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: UFOs and particularly the technologies that go with them. And 104 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: in about when I briefed the sitting director of the 105 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: CIA for Bill Clinton, it became quite clear to me 106 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: that there was another larger problem, and that is that 107 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: the programs related to UFOs were being run illegally and 108 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: unconstitutionally because the CIA director and the President we're being 109 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: denied access to them. This was something that was so 110 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: shocking to me that I still was working as a 111 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: medical doctor and I was sort of shoveling back and 112 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: forth from North Carolina up to Washington, d C. And 113 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: at first I thought perhaps that was an anomaly of 114 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: the CIA director that particular one, or this particular president. 115 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: And then I started doing briefings in the later after 116 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: that with members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Senate Foreign 117 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,119 Speaker 1: Relations Committee, the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs 118 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: of Staff, padmal Wilson, and also the head of the 119 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: Defense Intelligence Agency, the position that the General Flynn had 120 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,679 Speaker 1: before it was fired, and it was General Patrick Hughes, 121 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: and all of these people were also in a situation 122 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: where they knew there were programs involving billions of dollars 123 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: going on related to UFOs, but when they made a 124 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: specific inquiry about them, were denied access. And that's when 125 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: I realized we are in a very dangerous situation legally, 126 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: uh and also from a security point of view, and 127 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: that the reason these lives and cover ups are happening 128 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: is because there's a you want to call it, the 129 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: deep national security state does not want the public to 130 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: know that we already have technologies that would get us 131 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: completely off of fossil fuels. So I realized that this 132 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: was really all about macro economic power and money. And 133 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: that is when I left my medical career. I realized 134 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: that this was such a huge issue. It wasn't just 135 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: any longer, you know, gosh, of their et s out there, 136 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: and isn't this interesting, and let's go look at a UFO. 137 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: It became something where I realized that the course of 138 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: the future of our civilization was being hijacked by a 139 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: group of global elitist who were at their core fascist. 140 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: Just to bouttrack slightly a little bit more on your background, 141 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: it occurs to me that a medical doctor, a physician 142 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: that is a world of codified procedures, and you know 143 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: things that you go to medical school and learn very 144 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: specific methods for doing things that are established as part 145 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: of western medicine. I know that you also practice transcendental meditation. 146 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: And I'm wondering if you moved away more from this 147 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: more codified medical background toward kind of thinking outside the box. 148 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: For lack of a better term, what exactly guided you 149 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: on that path other than what you just described. Was 150 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: there something was there something that clicked for you that 151 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: made you feel like you wanted to kind of venture 152 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: out beyond into the unknown? Well? Sure, I mean, thank goodness, 153 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: I was a student of meditation and things like that 154 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: before I went to medical school. Um uh, you know, 155 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: because that's all hard scientists and not just howdified procedures. 156 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to know quantitative analysis and physics 157 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: and molecular biology and all the stuff in organic chemistry. 158 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: It was really great I had done the apicals that 159 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: gave me a foundation for thinking outside the box number one, 160 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: but also experientially understanding how interstellar civilizations are using advanced 161 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: electronic systems that interface with thought and consciousness. And this 162 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: gets into some very controversial concepts which are really outside 163 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: the box to the average listener, I guess, but I 164 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: can assure you they're not using an iPhone that traveling 165 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 1: as speed of light to go of you know, a 166 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: million light years across, you know, from one galaxy to another, 167 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 1: but they take a million years if speed a light 168 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 1: to do so. So you're you're talking about technologies that 169 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: are interfacing with fields, um you could say them other 170 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: dimensions of energy, but that are quantifiable. It's not like 171 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: some you know, psychic sitting around with a turbine on. 172 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: But my understanding of meditation and consciousness and what's called 173 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: nonlocality and physics and nonlocality of consciousness meaning that the 174 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: mind is not limited to space and time, that that 175 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: knowledge helped bridge the mystery of how these key civilizations 176 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: appear and disappear and communicate. So that actually served me 177 00:11:49,400 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: very well. That's a fantastic connection that you've made, Dr Greer, 178 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: which I think is going to be astonishing to our audience. 179 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: The idea of this inter relationship between cognition, consciousness and 180 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: more highly evolved forms of technology, you know, it reminds 181 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: me of the Arthur C. Clarke quote about after a 182 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: certain threshold of technology everything like might seem like magic 183 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: to some people, which you know, sometimes I think people 184 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: become comfortable with the stuff that they feel is established, 185 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: even though, as you have pointed out numerous times, it's 186 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: really strange that smartphones exist and that some areas of 187 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 1: technology are so much more sophisticated and advanced than others, 188 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: and and it does make people question the concept of secrecy. 189 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: And in full disclosure, we've studied the Disclosure Project fairly 190 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: extensively in the past of this show, and it's something 191 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: that our audience is very much interested in. And since 192 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: you're the founder of the Disclosure Project, we were wondering 193 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: if you could tell our audience a little bit about 194 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: what the Disclosure Project is and how it came to be, 195 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: especially regarding the technology we've mentioned earlier. Yes, and you know, 196 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: this is one of the central themes of the documentary 197 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: that's just come out. By the way, we're now number 198 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: one on iTunes for documentaries as of right now. Um 199 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 1: and Unacknowledged is also a book that has more information 200 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: and as it's available at Amazon and everywhere else. Those 201 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: the book and the movie Unacknowledged are really about my 202 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: journey discovering what the unacknowledged special access projects, which is 203 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: the proper name for these very classified projects are and 204 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: the reason the disclosure project happened was an accident of 205 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: history in the sense that my real intention was to 206 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: simply focus on an enter or planetary diplomatic team that 207 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: would make peaceful contact with these civilizations using what's been 208 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: called in which I coined a feat and five initiative 209 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: close Encounters of the fifth time where we go out 210 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: and make this sort of contact. But early on in 211 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: when we were doing some experiments with this in Florida, 212 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: we had four extraterrestrial crafts show up. It got filmed 213 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: with very poor quality high cameras. Back then it was 214 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: on the front page of the Pentacle of paper and 215 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: there were two Air Force kernels and pilots in in 216 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: the training group of about fifty people. This got kicked 217 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: up and picked up by the head of Army Intelligence 218 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: and people at various other three letter agencies, and they 219 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: approached me within thirty days, and some of them were 220 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: very hostile to what we were doing and threatening. Others, however, 221 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: were very supportive and said that yes, it's high time 222 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: that this subject be declassified in the public know the 223 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: truth uh, and we want to help you. So that's 224 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: kind of how the contact expeditions I was leading led 225 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: to the early stages of what in became known as 226 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: if you go to the Clinton Presidential Library, project Starlight, 227 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: and that was a code name for a briefing process 228 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: that we put together. Um, we put together the best 229 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: available evidence of the best cases and images and everything 230 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: from around the world and government documents to provide to 231 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: the President and the members of Congress, into the UN 232 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: Secretary General Buttris Gali at the time and other people, 233 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: and to try to create a consensus to end the secrecy. 234 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: But by seven it was quite clear to me that 235 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: no one in Congress and no one in the White 236 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: House was going to take that task on. And in fact, 237 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: one of Bill Clinton's friends used to stay with him 238 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: at the White House came to my home and said, uh, 239 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: you know, Dr Greer, they very much agree with what 240 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: you're recommending in the brief you put together that this 241 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: subject classified. But we're concerned that if the president does this, 242 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: he will end up like Jack Kennedy and I start laughing. 243 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: I think this is completely nonsense. And then he said, no, 244 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: we're not joking, And I said well, what the hell 245 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: do you want me to do. I'm a doctor in 246 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: an emergency department. Doing this just a sort of an interest. 247 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: And they said, well, we think you should do it. 248 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: And I turned to him, I said, yeah, what you're 249 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: saying is I'm expendable and the president isn't. And he 250 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: looked me straight in the eye and he said, yes, 251 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: You're expendable and the president is. So I I always 252 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: joke that I'm the throwaway person. I can throw away 253 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: my career, I can throw away my life. I can 254 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: give it blood and treasure that ad matter because these 255 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: hideous politicians and money horse that run Wall Street in Washington, 256 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: they're not going to stick their next out. So you know, 257 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: what I realized is that there's no courage left in 258 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: our leadership and that we the people have to manifest 259 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: that courage. And that's how the disclosure projects about put together. 260 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: Is when I realized that no one in the official 261 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: world of Washington or Paris or London, and I went 262 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: all over the world meeting with officials in governments all 263 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: over the world, nobody wanted to take this issue on. 264 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: So I decided, well, we the people want to do it, 265 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: and so began the disclosure proscts. Well, speaking of idiot politicians, 266 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: Um James called me was fired yesterday. I'm just going 267 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: to use that as a as a segway. I'm not 268 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 1: really going to go into detail there, um, but I'm wondering, 269 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: we're wondering when someone like vacates or gets booted from 270 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: a high level intelligence position like that, do you think 271 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: they're leaving with state secrets that they have actual information 272 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: about some of the things that you're describing that they 273 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: try to keep under wraps. Well, some do and some don't. 274 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: And this is something that I make very clear in 275 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: both the movie and acknowledg them the book, is that 276 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: whether you're in the loop, let's call it, of these 277 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: very classified, unacknowledged special access projects on this issue has 278 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: a very much list to do with your rank and position, 279 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: then with your let's call it psychological makeup, and whether 280 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 1: or not you're willing to go along with a fascist 281 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: secret agenda. So if you're if you are not, then 282 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: you're not gonna be told anything like like the CI 283 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: director Wolsey or like General Patrick Choose as head of 284 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: the Defense Intelligence Agency, and now here you have head 285 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: of the CIA, head of the d i A both 286 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: being lied to. Now have there been ci A directors 287 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 1: who know or FBI directors who know absolutely? But those 288 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: are people who have at their core value system. Let's 289 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: talk about your value system, a fascist view of the 290 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: world where the elite should have this power and the 291 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: rest of us are basically slaves on their authoritarian plantation. 292 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: So whether not Jim Colony was read into these projects 293 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: or not, I honestly do not know. He's probably aware 294 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: of the issue and they were briefed ti um. I 295 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: know the presidents that have been around since I e. 296 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: President Clinton onwards do know because I have provided briefly 297 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: materials for them and their senior staff. However, them knowing 298 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: about the issue from a source like myself who has 299 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 1: no official standing, and being able to have access control 300 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: are two very different things. And this is that this 301 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: is where the public is very confused on how you 302 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: want to talk about how things really work. That's how 303 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: things really don't work. So in Washington, let's talk about 304 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: dysfunction on a massive scale. For example, when I brief 305 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: Admiral Tom Wilson, who was J two, the head of 306 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff about this time, 307 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 1: of year in n twenty years ago. I had edgar 308 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: Mitchell with me. I had all these other people who 309 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: were military whistleblowers who had information, and I had sent 310 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: to him this adimal a briefing paper prior two the meeting. 311 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: In that document and this is in the movie, by 312 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: the way, and in the book was a National Reconnaissance 313 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: Office document from Nellis Air Force Space a security warning 314 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: and in it was the distribution list of all the 315 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: top secret on acknowledged special projects that were current as 316 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: of that time in early nine. And I got this document. 317 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: It's authentic, it's not then be classified, and it's in 318 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: the book and it's in the movie, and go see 319 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 1: it now. This admiral recognized one of those compartments, and 320 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 1: so he contacted them and said, I am Admiral Tom Wilson. 321 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: I'm the head of intelligence with the Joints Chiefs of 322 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: Staff and I want to be read into or braced 323 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: on this project. And he was told, sir, you don't 324 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: have a need to know now. Everyone listening needs to 325 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: have that think in this is the head of intelligence 326 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: with the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the Pentagon. And 327 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 1: he said, he said, God damn it how can I 328 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: not have a need to know I'm the head of 329 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: intelligence for the Joint Staff. And they said, sir, we 330 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: will not discuss this with you further and hung up 331 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: and block. So by this time Edgar Mitchlin and I 332 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: got to this stand up briefing that I was doing 333 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: at the Pentagon. This admiral was both furious and terrified 334 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: because he realized that there really was a sort of 335 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: subterranean literally and metaphorically of covert programs that that we're 336 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: running off out of his control, and we're willing to 337 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: deny him access, notwithstanding his responsibilities and high position. So 338 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: now have there been people in his exact same position 339 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: at the Pentagon who did know absolutely because those were 340 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: people who can through the system, and we're tested to 341 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: see if they would go along with illegal programs, criminal enterprises, 342 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: and a fascist long term agenda. And that is the 343 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: distinguishing marked between people who are in the system and 344 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: out of the system. Now it's more complicated. There are 345 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: people who have tried to defect from that system, such 346 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,360 Speaker 1: as CIA director Bill Tolby, who in the mid nineties 347 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 1: or so wanted to provide for US a zero point energy, 348 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: free energy device, which is at the heart of the 349 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: energy system of the UFO or any other thing that's 350 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: going to be running through space, and it would run 351 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: your house forever with no energy bill and no pollution. 352 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: He was going to give us some seed funding of 353 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 1: around fifty million dollars in this device so we could 354 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: get it out. He was a very old man, and 355 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: he thought the secrecy had gone on to such a 356 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: point that it was damaging with the future of humanity. 357 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: But the but the week that he was going to 358 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: meet with a member of my board of directors, they 359 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: imploating down the Potomac River and he had been killed. 360 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: Now his son thinks he committed suicide. He did not. 361 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: And the prescious that it was a boating accident in 362 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: a canoe, and that's not true either. But the fact 363 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: of the matter, if that was a shot fired across 364 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: the vowel of people who were on the inside, like 365 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: Bill Colby, but who wanted to defect, and so it 366 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: had a chilling effect all through the establishment of covert programs. 367 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,719 Speaker 1: And you know, this has been my life for twenty 368 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 1: five years, and a lot of it's not pretty, but 369 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: this is you know, this is not conspiracy theory stuff. 370 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: This is stuff I had personal knowledge and was very 371 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: instantly involved with. So this is why the I think 372 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: the film Unacknowledged is so important, because it explains the 373 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: architecture of the secrecy and what the reasons are for 374 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: the secrecy, because you know, the majority of the public 375 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: believe you apose are real and the government's heightened some 376 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: but they don't know how they're knit from whom and 377 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: what these unacknowledged special access projects are and hapably operate. 378 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: And more importantly, and this is that the the hundred 379 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: trillion dollar questions why it's so secret, and that that 380 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: question of why is the biggest one of all. Yes, yes, sir, 381 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 1: we absolutely agree with that question of you know, the 382 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: the impetus, the motivation. It's it's become increasingly apparent to 383 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: even the casual, uh, the casual researcher that the deep 384 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: state does exist and the you know, in multiple instances. 385 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: Of course, most people are probably most familiar with stories 386 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: about the CIA operating illegally um abroad in in the 387 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: interests sometimes of corporations, in the interests sometimes of ideologies. 388 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: But it brings us to another related question that we'd 389 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: love to hear your take on. Do you believe that 390 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 1: the current information age, you know now that now that 391 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: the cost of communication is lower than it ever has been. Uh, 392 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: do you believe that that has had an effect on 393 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: the practice of state secrecy? And if so, what and 394 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: to what degree? Well, let's talk about conventional state secrecy, 395 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: the sort of thing that Edward Snowden tried to expose, 396 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: but which frankly was prosaic and everyone in the world 397 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: knew it existed already, because what he exposed with PRISM 398 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: was really just a later version of what the New 399 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: York Times and others exposed in the early two thousand's 400 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: about the Carnivore and Echelon and other metadata and intelligence 401 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: eavesdropping programs of the National Security Agency. And of course 402 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 1: Edward Snowden was too young to know this and to 403 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: an experience and um unfortunately he did not focus on 404 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: the illegal projects. He focused on ones that were rather 405 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: even those are extraordinary early evil and big brother risk 406 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: was explain on everyone all the time, um or rather 407 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: prosent The ones that are that are being running these 408 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: unacknowledged special access projects are several generations beyond anything that, 409 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: say Snowden exposed, and deal with technologies I go back 410 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: now about nineteen fifty four to nineteen fifty six when 411 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: massive breakthroughs occurred in electromagnetic theory and technologies that interface 412 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: with space time and also consciousness. So a lot of 413 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: people have heard about the c i A program on 414 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 1: say remote to and using consciousness to see remote places. 415 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: That material that's out in the public domain by people 416 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: like the former NSA offered to the Dames and others 417 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: is like the Kindergarten version. The really advanced stuff was 418 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: electronic interfaces with consciousness that we're developed in the fifties. 419 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: Now most people have heard the mk ultra experiments where 420 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: there were use and ls B and other things on 421 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: mind control. What never got exposed in senator churches hearing 422 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 1: about this about MK Ultra from the CIA were the 423 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 1: electronics systems. So at the course, so when you start 424 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: talking about the national security state of what they can penetrate, 425 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: there's the Internet, and there's the fact that everyone is 426 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 1: has been Rich said in the mid head of Wackey's 427 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: come works, he said, there are no private conversations anywhere 428 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: on Earth. Now, whether or not he knew what I'm 429 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: about to tell you, I don't know. But one of 430 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 1: my military Advisers was at the White Thost Naval Facility, 431 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: which is now closed up in Maryland in nineteen seventy four, 432 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 1: and he was read into and saw an electronics system 433 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: that could target any point in space or time and 434 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: extract from what's called the white noise of space time 435 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: anything that was ever said or done in that volume 436 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 1: of space or time, non locally, not with a wirecat. Now, 437 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: that was in the seventies. There are people I met 438 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: with who had worked on technologies beyond that of a 439 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: similar nature in nineteen fifty six. So I think that 440 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: the problem is is that you're not going to see 441 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: these stories on the New York Times and Washington Post because, 442 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: as one of our witnesses in the book Acknowledge and 443 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: the film un Acknowledged states, their bags of cash being 444 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: carried to senior people in the in the mainstream media, 445 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: who are usually the people who report on national security issues, 446 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: who are really on the payroll of the c i A, 447 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: or of of the Pentagon or what have you. So 448 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: you know, the fourth of State. The media has been 449 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: so corrupted that it's very hard to get this story out. 450 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: So but however, the good news is that the Internet 451 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: and things like iTunes and uh, YouTube and what have 452 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: you have enabled us to get the information out to 453 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: millions of people, and hundreds of millions of people, more 454 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: so than perhaps now watch Stann. So I think that 455 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,479 Speaker 1: it's sort of one of these things where on the 456 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: one hand, there are all these corrupt uses of these technologies, 457 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: but on the other hand, if we're clever, perhaps we 458 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: can begin to level the playing field a little bit. 459 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: So with these people who are in mass media, do 460 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: you think there is a some kind of coordinated effort 461 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: to get different outlets and let's eat, let's say, even 462 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: scientific establishment groups to purposefully discredit and debunk the entire 463 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: UFO issue and any anything else related to it. Well, 464 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: I don't think I can prove it. I have CIA 465 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: documents and witness testimony from Air Force intelligence and other figures, 466 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: and some of these appear in the book and in 467 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: the in the movie that's flat out state that it's 468 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,479 Speaker 1: not it's it's that's not a conspiracy theory. There's no 469 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: question at all that that's the case. And I've known 470 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: of this since the early nine nineties. So, uh, people 471 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: are very naive if they think that we still have 472 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: a truly free press, it's it's a compromised and corrupted 473 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: big media. Uh. Now, recently there have been more and 474 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: more stories on quote unquote aliens, and of course have 475 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: been a plethora of movies out of Hollywood on the subject, 476 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,239 Speaker 1: although most of them are xenophobic, and the purpose of 477 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: that is a defensiveization program to let mainstream people know 478 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: that there's something coming. But with the punchline, they're coming 479 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: to eat us for launch. I think that as Douglas 480 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: MacArthur said in nine, the year I was born, I'm 481 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: sure you guys weren't alive then. Uh he said, you know, 482 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: basically World War three will be interplanetary. So you know, 483 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: since the fifties there has been a plan to manage 484 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: the subject in such a way that when it does 485 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: come out, it will be hijacked by the buffoonery of 486 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: the UFO subculture Hollywood, and also by the xenophobes that 487 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: the people who are you all afraid of all things 488 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: alien because they want to basically unite the world around 489 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: the military punta sort of a fascist military state that 490 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: engages in a conflict with one or more extraterrestrial civilizations. 491 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: That's been the agenda since the fifties and sixties, and 492 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: there's no question at all that that's the case. I mean, 493 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: Werner von Brown and his deathbed confirmed it. This Air 494 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: Force off of special investigations of Officer Dotie, who did 495 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: counter intelligence and disinformation programs on UFOs for the Air 496 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: Force for a decade, has confirmed the existence of this 497 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: false flag. Uh. And I have dozens of people who 498 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: are in the national security programs who have confirmed it 499 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: to me, and that this is this is one of 500 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: my big concerns with the the UFO subculture. And you 501 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: know what some people call full disclosure, right said, well, 502 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: full disclosure is great. Let's not make it boke at 503 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: a u X disclosure because there's so much disinformation on 504 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: this because we have to begin to ask, to ask 505 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: the question who benefit from conflict that's in our planetary 506 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: was the same characters who have benefited from the military 507 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: and industrial intelligence financial complex since World War Two, who 508 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: are really just modern day fascists. So we have to 509 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: wonder whose hands are we playing into when we uh 510 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: sort of began to be parenting that narrative allah of 511 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: the movie Independence Day. And I think that there is 512 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: a very clear counter intelligence program out there that has 513 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: co opted most of this subject on the Internet and movies, 514 00:32:48,400 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: and we have to be very skeptical. Absolutely agree with, 515 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: uh with with the statement regarding the the elephant in 516 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: the room for a lot of a lot of these concepts, 517 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: and that would be as as you pointed out eloquently, UH, disinformation. 518 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: So towards the end of unacknowledged, you ask one of 519 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: the one of the witnesses, somebody that you've interviewed before, 520 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: I believe Richard Dody, and you're asking him about something 521 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: called or that you referred to as deceptive indication rewarnings 522 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: projects and right, we just wanted to see if you 523 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: could describe for our audience what a what false i 524 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: NW is, like, why, what is it and why does 525 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: it matter? Well at the Pentagon and in the intelligence community, 526 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: the I see a deceptive indication and warning or false 527 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: signed w H indication warning is what pop folks were 528 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: called false flag. For example, the Gulf of Tampton incident, 529 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: where we agerrate it or perhaps staged the attack on 530 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: our vessels ships in the Gulf of Tauntin so that 531 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: the Congress and the public would be so outraged that 532 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: President Johnson was stampeded into vastly expanding the Vietnam War 533 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: to the great enrichment of the war profiteers and the 534 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: war mongers. Um. That's been done over and over and 535 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,959 Speaker 1: over again through our history and also throughout the history 536 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,240 Speaker 1: of the human race, where demagogues and others stage craft, 537 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: it's called stagecraft, stage something that then pulls people in emotionally, 538 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: that then focuses them on the path of war and 539 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: conflict and division. And I think this is clearly what's 540 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,879 Speaker 1: going on. And and this I began to speak about 541 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: in the early nineteen nineties, much to the chagrin of 542 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: most of the other people in in the UFO subculture, 543 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: because it's become sort of a big cottage industry involving 544 00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: millions of dollars frankly for people who are you know, 545 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 1: spouting all manners stuff. And it's very interesting that only 546 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,839 Speaker 1: does Officer Doughty, but others that are in our networking 547 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 1: team who are military officials, have confirmed that they have staged, 548 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: for example, alien abductions and fake alien events to scare 549 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: people so that people would think that it's e t 550 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: but it isn't. That is completely a d percent of 551 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: counter intelligence operation. Now people say, God, how long have 552 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,399 Speaker 1: you known about this? I said, will since or four 553 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 1: when I was first briefed on this by some men 554 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: who were inside some of these special operation teams that 555 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: were staging these events. Now this begins to put this 556 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: you have to pull It's like the Wizard of Oz 557 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: if you've ever seen the Wizard of Oz or there's 558 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: this old prud mudge and behind the curt and pulling 559 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: all the levers, scaring the hell out of Dorothy and 560 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: everyone else. And you pull the curtain back and here's 561 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: this old crud nudge and doing all this stuff that 562 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: becomes lore and becomes accepted as fact, but isn't. And 563 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: it's really but to what end? Well, you know what 564 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: everyone who has studied history and of war. In order 565 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 1: for a populous to support a war, you've got to 566 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: have an enemy. And the way you create an enemy 567 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: is to demonize whoever it is, whether it's Jews in 568 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: Germany or whoever it is. And you have to then 569 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: create enough fear in the minds of the populace that 570 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,280 Speaker 1: they will pay blood and treasure to go to war. 571 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,320 Speaker 1: So this is this is right out of the playbook 572 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,240 Speaker 1: of the uh of history, and it's been done over 573 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: and over and over and over again. So these false 574 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: flag operations and counter intelligence programs are to anyone who 575 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: understands the system, you know, are very obvious. But to 576 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 1: the average person they're not obvious. For example, you know, 577 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,919 Speaker 1: even Kompal, who is former hereman of the Joint Chiefs 578 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: of Staff and the Secretary of State for George W. 579 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: Bush and Dick Cheney, goes to the u N with 580 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: files of stuff saying, oh, we have these weapons of 581 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: mass destruction in Iraq. Bang. A few months later, weeks later, 582 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,280 Speaker 1: we're in Iraq in a trillion dollar war with hundreds 583 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: of thousands of people killed counting iraqis they're humans too, 584 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 1: And it was all nonsense. So this is it's not 585 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 1: as if this is ancient history or isn't a matter 586 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: of historical fact. It is a matter of historical fact 587 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,439 Speaker 1: that's happened over and over and over. But the big one, 588 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: the big one that's still pending, that I think is 589 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: getting fast tracked in the last eighteen months or so, 590 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,280 Speaker 1: which is why we made the movie unacknowledged. In the book, 591 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 1: there were sort of the cosmic call Revere here warning 592 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: people of this is that it will be this a 593 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:54,399 Speaker 1: false flag involving an alien threat, precisely what Bernard von 594 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: Brown warned about and which Douglas MacArthur called for in 595 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,879 Speaker 1: nine when he he stated that the World War three 596 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: will be interplanetary. So those sorts of people who are 597 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 1: as sociopath and basically fascists really do want to see 598 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: the world being able to unite it. You know, remember 599 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan's speech to the United Nations when he said, 600 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: wouldn't our job of creating world unity and peace the 601 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:26,320 Speaker 1: easier if we had a common alien threat to unite 602 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 1: against you see? Okay, So this is very much like 603 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: the movie Independence Day. And I tell people that this 604 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: is how easily the populist is manipulated. We were manipulated 605 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 1: into Vietnam. We were manipulated into a rock, and they're 606 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,880 Speaker 1: going to try to manipulate it into something much worse. 607 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 1: And that's what we have to be careful of. This 608 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: is one of the reasons why I left my medical 609 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: career was because I knew that this was a foot 610 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: twenty years ago. And on the one hand, they're trying 611 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: to hurl us to or a catastrophic event like this. 612 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: On the other hand, there was holding from the public. 613 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 1: The technologies that would give us a sustainable civilization with 614 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,359 Speaker 1: free energy and zero points so called zero point energy, 615 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: where we would never have any pollution or poverty, and 616 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 1: within a generation, poverty as we know and on the 617 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:24,840 Speaker 1: planet would disappear. Pollution would absolutely disappear. Even the technologies 618 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: to take ionizing radiation nuclear waste exists that it could 619 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,320 Speaker 1: be neutralized to inert elements. I know this sort of fact, 620 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 1: I know the people who've worked on it. So we 621 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 1: could have a pristine planet with abundance for everybody on 622 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 1: the planet. But we're going to have to fix this 623 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 1: central problem. And that's really what the Disclosure Project has 624 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: been about, and that's what this movie and book are 625 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,760 Speaker 1: all about. So right now we're kind of exploring how 626 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,600 Speaker 1: the secrecy has kept UM, let's take a look a 627 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: little deeper into the secrets themselves. Earlier, you mentioned this 628 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: idea of a technological breakthrough in the nineties. UM, but 629 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,359 Speaker 1: where did this technology actually come from? Well, there are 630 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 1: two two UH streams that joined us. One after World 631 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 1: War Two. One stream was being worked on in the twenties, 632 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: thirties and forties by people like teen Towns in Brown 633 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,280 Speaker 1: and others in Germany that dealt with very high voltage 634 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 1: systems that caused the mass cancelation so called anti gravity levitation, 635 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: as well as free energy. Now they didn't understand zero 636 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,879 Speaker 1: point energy at that point, but they knew that they 637 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 1: could put you know, X amount of energy in and 638 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 1: get a hundred times out of the system. And in 639 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,760 Speaker 1: Tesla knew this as well. He called the infinite energy field. Now, 640 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: those those were man made discovery. So as I always 641 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 1: tell people, the laws of the universe are guess what universal, 642 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: So human minds can unraveled these mystery as well as 643 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 1: an extraterrestrial mind from another star system. However, those developments 644 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,799 Speaker 1: which were being kept very secret but for the same 645 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: reasons in the twenties, thirties and forties as today, because 646 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 1: it would have upset the Rockefeller Plan and the centralized 647 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: industrialists and everything else. Does everybody nobody would need them. 648 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,719 Speaker 1: As JP Morgan said that Nikola Tesla, We're not gonna 649 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: let anything come out that we can't put a meter 650 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 1: on it and get paid and make a profit on. 651 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:34,359 Speaker 1: So that that stream joined with a very big river 652 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 1: of research. Uh in the post nine era and particularly 653 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: after ninety seven to nineteen five, when we use some 654 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:51,319 Speaker 1: very advanced electronics to shoot down, but not shoot with 655 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: a gun, but with electromagnetic weapons systems that are so 656 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 1: called scaler or longitudinal. They moved faster than the speed 657 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 1: of light tow down these craft that crashed at Roswell 658 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 1: and at king in Arizona, in multiple other places. Those crafts, 659 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: some of which were fairly intact, were then studied and 660 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,759 Speaker 1: on board those craft were not only energy systems that 661 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,880 Speaker 1: were extremely advanced crystalline energy systems that were zero point, 662 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,800 Speaker 1: but also the propulsion systems that allowed the craft to 663 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:28,840 Speaker 1: to uh, not only float and levitate and move it 664 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:33,799 Speaker 1: from the speeds, but also enabled them to h at 665 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 1: higher frequencies to go quote unquote interdimensional. Now, those technologies 666 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 1: we began to be studied in highly classified operations in 667 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 1: the forties and fifties, and that what knowledge we had 668 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: from the twenties, thirties and forties joined with this treasure 669 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,920 Speaker 1: trove of technologies which were required from extraterrestrial vehicles, and 670 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,880 Speaker 1: by ninety four we had ma ustered the fundamentals of 671 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 1: gravity control. I have a senior official, the highest ranking 672 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: scientists at the Naval Research Labs, Richard Fosche, who was 673 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 1: on my team for many years. He has since passed 674 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 1: away of prostate cancer, but he had been in the 675 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,760 Speaker 1: vault and seeing the documentation, and in October of nineteen 676 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 1: fifty four we master gravity control. So what I tell people, 677 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,839 Speaker 1: you look at the world out there, and whether it's 678 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: your power lines, or your cars, or your trains, or 679 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 1: your jets, or your airplanes or your ships or whatever 680 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,400 Speaker 1: it is, all of it is from the early twentieth 681 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:43,240 Speaker 1: century or in late eighteen hundreds Mercedes for the internal 682 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,400 Speaker 1: combustion engine. Uh. Even jets are from the thirties. Rockets 683 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 1: are from the forties. So you know SpaceX, it's all jumped. 684 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:55,319 Speaker 1: All of this jump jump more jump jump, everything that 685 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 1: has developed since then, isn't These are in these unacknowledged 686 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 1: special acts, this projects. And it's a shame because you know, 687 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 1: have been Rich said, it seems like it will take 688 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 1: an act of God to bring them out to benefit humanity. 689 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,880 Speaker 1: Been Rich being the head of the famous Lockheed counkworks 690 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,239 Speaker 1: the secret operations at Lockheed Martin. But I think this 691 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,399 Speaker 1: is why you know, this sort of if they will 692 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,720 Speaker 1: takes an act of God. Well though it's it's humans 693 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 1: working together to do this. UM, people are very naive 694 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,400 Speaker 1: if they think these large corporations and government entities are 695 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,799 Speaker 1: going to do it for us. We have to do it. 696 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,840 Speaker 1: And one of our objectives and has been for a 697 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,000 Speaker 1: number of years that we've lacked the financial resources to 698 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,600 Speaker 1: do it, is to start an independent, open source research 699 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,680 Speaker 1: lab where these technologies, particularly the free energy ones first 700 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,719 Speaker 1: and maybe later the anti gravity um could be developed 701 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 1: independent of any large corporation, but would be live streamed 702 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,640 Speaker 1: on the internet and open source. But you need millions 703 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 1: of dollars to open a high energy of physics lab 704 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,240 Speaker 1: and we don't have that. We're hoping now if everyone 705 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,600 Speaker 1: listening to your podcast would go get the book and 706 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 1: get the movie, maybe we get on the way to 707 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,960 Speaker 1: having it. But or somebody who wanted to contribute those 708 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,440 Speaker 1: funds or some you know, you get twenty people to 709 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 1: contribute the funds. So far, no one stepped up to 710 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 1: the plates fund the basic science research that needs to happen. 711 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,880 Speaker 1: And UM, I think people have to understand that, just 712 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 1: like disclosures, in the hands of we the people bringing 713 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 1: these technologies forward, or in the hands of we the people. 714 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 1: But even though we by right that the taxpayers have 715 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,400 Speaker 1: been trillions of dollars working on these projects, and the 716 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:41,080 Speaker 1: forties and fifties we have had no dividends paid to us. 717 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,759 Speaker 1: It's all being slept in the in this kept in 718 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:50,960 Speaker 1: thisocracy of of of elite programs and unacknowledged special access projects, 719 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 1: super secret projects. But we can change that if we 720 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,640 Speaker 1: want to. I mean, it's not like we need to 721 00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 1: be sitting around on our hands waiting for the government 722 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,719 Speaker 1: to do this for us. I think people need to 723 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,879 Speaker 1: understand we the people, or where the action is, and 724 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,279 Speaker 1: we have more power than we realize that we would 725 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,080 Speaker 1: unite around an effort and do it. So, Dr Gary, 726 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:14,719 Speaker 1: can you tell us a little bit more about the 727 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,759 Speaker 1: Orion project itself and how close you guys have come 728 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 1: to finding some viable way to harness the zero pointer 729 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,440 Speaker 1: free energy. Well, the Orion project is sort of a 730 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,680 Speaker 1: sub project of our Serious Disclosure dot com if you 731 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,600 Speaker 1: go to our website s I R I U S 732 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 1: Disclosure dot com, and it's a research effort to identify 733 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,799 Speaker 1: technologies that meet our criteria. So far, we have not 734 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:49,000 Speaker 1: seen any technology that exists that meet our criteria that 735 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,839 Speaker 1: the person is willing to have taken forward. There. Now, 736 00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,120 Speaker 1: let me qualify that their their technologies out there, but 737 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,319 Speaker 1: people want to keep it secret because they think it's 738 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,440 Speaker 1: it's best to keep it secret, or they've been threatened, 739 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 1: or they've had the technology already tied up by it 740 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,120 Speaker 1: be involved out from under them. For example, I'll give 741 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,359 Speaker 1: you one great example. The Orion project was very close 742 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,960 Speaker 1: to acquiring all the stan Meyer equipment. Stan Meyer had 743 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,920 Speaker 1: been in this car that rental water and it was legit. 744 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:23,879 Speaker 1: But what people don't understand, the crown jewel of his inheritance, 745 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:29,000 Speaker 1: of what he left to his heirs was a toroidal 746 00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:34,600 Speaker 1: system and do not shaped system that was an overunity 747 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,960 Speaker 1: free energy device that had a national security order on 748 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,040 Speaker 1: it that was slapped on it in the eighties, and 749 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,280 Speaker 1: he and his brother worked on this and it was legitimate. Now, 750 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,920 Speaker 1: our group only had a few hundred thousand dollars, so 751 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:54,400 Speaker 1: we couldn't acquire that collection. An engineering group in Michigan did. 752 00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,680 Speaker 1: And I said that if those people keep this secret 753 00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,759 Speaker 1: and don't go public with it, if they get an 754 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,959 Speaker 1: offer rational, they're all dead men walking. And sure enough, 755 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,560 Speaker 1: a couple of years later they got it operational and 756 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,360 Speaker 1: their chief funder a man who is in the British 757 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 1: Isles is very wealthy called me up in a panic 758 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,399 Speaker 1: and said they're running for their lives. I said, well, 759 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,600 Speaker 1: of course they are, because they've done everything strategically backwards. 760 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,440 Speaker 1: They're trying to be like Golem and lord with the 761 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,200 Speaker 1: rings might, precious might, precious ring. Well, guess what you know. 762 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:26,960 Speaker 1: You think you're going to have an invention and make 763 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,759 Speaker 1: yourself rich, You're gonna be dead before you ever get rich. 764 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,560 Speaker 1: So I told this this. I won't repeat his name 765 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,799 Speaker 1: on the air, but I said, I will write a 766 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,920 Speaker 1: strategic memo to you of what they need to do yesterday, 767 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,399 Speaker 1: and if they do it, they can survive. And if 768 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,160 Speaker 1: they don't, their history, well it turns out they didn't 769 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,239 Speaker 1: want to do it because they were wanting to monetize 770 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,759 Speaker 1: it and get rich quick. And I it's just confirmed 771 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:56,279 Speaker 1: about this last year, this time in March of that 772 00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:01,160 Speaker 1: that entire team has been assassinated and terminated. So the 773 00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:06,000 Speaker 1: problem we've run into isn't that the technologies are impossible 774 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,560 Speaker 1: to find. It's that the human factor, the greed factor, 775 00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:15,920 Speaker 1: the ego factor, uh, and the lack of strategic sophistication. 776 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,799 Speaker 1: And let me, let me explain what I mean. You're 777 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,400 Speaker 1: not dealing with a new iPhone or an app or 778 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,600 Speaker 1: software program like you can just crank out a new 779 00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,359 Speaker 1: uniform billionaire and Silicon Valley every week. You're dealing with 780 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 1: the technology that makes a run at this foundation of 781 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:38,520 Speaker 1: our entire economics, tetra dollar oil based, fossil fuel based 782 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:44,400 Speaker 1: centralized electric grid system. It's involves in the aggregate, hundreds 783 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,839 Speaker 1: of trillions of dollars in economic impact. And you're not 784 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,640 Speaker 1: going to be able to do that secretively. So people 785 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,520 Speaker 1: who try to keep the intellectual property secret, the patent secret, 786 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,000 Speaker 1: people who try to do this in the dark of 787 00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,360 Speaker 1: nights and think they're gonna be so clever they're going 788 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,520 Speaker 1: to outfo to the intelligence community or these corporate goons, 789 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,880 Speaker 1: they are delusional. So what I have said to people 790 00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,360 Speaker 1: is phase one of this is to get one of 791 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 1: these devices, we either have to have one handed off 792 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,440 Speaker 1: to us, or we have to have the funds to 793 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,480 Speaker 1: do a lab where we can create it ourselves and 794 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:21,920 Speaker 1: we would be able to or and we then disclose 795 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,520 Speaker 1: it to the public, open source, no intellectual property, no secrets, 796 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,000 Speaker 1: and a billion people know it and can build it 797 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,800 Speaker 1: on their own and it works. Every engineer in M 798 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,520 Speaker 1: I T can do it. The second phase, you might 799 00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,319 Speaker 1: be able to monetize it. You might be able to 800 00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,960 Speaker 1: take that basic operating system, let's call it, and create 801 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:41,880 Speaker 1: something that will run your computer, or create something that 802 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,319 Speaker 1: will run your house and your heat pump. And then 803 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,960 Speaker 1: you know, thats phase two. But everyone is trying to 804 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:53,200 Speaker 1: skip phase one, which is ironically open source disclosure. And 805 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,480 Speaker 1: if you if you skip phase one, you're never going 806 00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,680 Speaker 1: to get to phase two. And and this is because 807 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:05,080 Speaker 1: of the unique strategic risks that attend something that is 808 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,400 Speaker 1: as disruptive. You know, everyone thinks what's going on in 809 00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,799 Speaker 1: Filicon Valley right now is disruptive. It's not disruptive as 810 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,480 Speaker 1: tinkering around the edges of Alexander Graham Bell's communication devices 811 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,239 Speaker 1: are mark TONI in eight in the first telegram at 812 00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,680 Speaker 1: the at the speed of a radio waves. Big deal. 813 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,839 Speaker 1: This is what I'm talking about now is truly disruptive. 814 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,040 Speaker 1: Now we need it. We should have been disrupted with 815 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,959 Speaker 1: these technologies and the twenties, forties, fifties. Now we're really 816 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:37,920 Speaker 1: running out of time, both geophysically and geo politically. Um, 817 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,360 Speaker 1: we can't really just pass this on for another fifty 818 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,239 Speaker 1: years to the next generation. So I tell people who 819 00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,920 Speaker 1: are the scientists and technology people working on this UH 820 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,440 Speaker 1: Back when we first founded the Orion project, I didn't 821 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,520 Speaker 1: have anyone on my team who could return to a 822 00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,759 Speaker 1: research team who would put their life's work into doing 823 00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,440 Speaker 1: one of these things and say a, you know, pierce 824 00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,759 Speaker 1: compensation for your effort, and now let us take it 825 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,480 Speaker 1: open source. We I do have people on my team 826 00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,560 Speaker 1: that can do that. Now, if there's something that's legitimate 827 00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,960 Speaker 1: and can be tested independently, reproduced independently, and which they 828 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,400 Speaker 1: will allow us to massively disclose. That last thing is 829 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,239 Speaker 1: the big one, because if it's not massively disclosed, if 830 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,440 Speaker 1: it if it's per kept very under wraps in secrets, 831 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,080 Speaker 1: it's going to be the tree that fell in the 832 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,839 Speaker 1: woods that nobody heard. And I think over the last 833 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,799 Speaker 1: fifty to a hundred years, there have been literally thousands 834 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,920 Speaker 1: of these technologies that have come and gone and had 835 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:39,840 Speaker 1: been vacuumed up, hoovered up by corporations and the intelligence 836 00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,960 Speaker 1: community to try to keep them secret. I mean mainstream 837 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,680 Speaker 1: scientific organizations like the American UH Federation of American Scientists 838 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,520 Speaker 1: have stated there's at least five thousand, one thirty five 839 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,520 Speaker 1: patents that have been confiscated through the patent office, and 840 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,719 Speaker 1: those are of systems that have gone to patent I 841 00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,600 Speaker 1: know of many inventors that never got to pay, but 842 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,359 Speaker 1: they were just quietly working on these technologies and they 843 00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,840 Speaker 1: got a knock on the door or a national security 844 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,600 Speaker 1: order sent to them, like stan Meer did for his 845 00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:13,480 Speaker 1: toroary system, this doughnut shaped free energy magnetic system, and 846 00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,000 Speaker 1: have just disappeared even before they went to the patent process. 847 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,799 Speaker 1: So there are thousands more. It's conservative to say there 848 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,160 Speaker 1: are probably tens of thousands of these that have come 849 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,719 Speaker 1: and gone. And the reason they have never reached the 850 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,520 Speaker 1: public is because the people who are the scientists and 851 00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:35,839 Speaker 1: engineers and the and the people funding them don't understand 852 00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,920 Speaker 1: a strategy to get them out to the public. They 853 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:43,279 Speaker 1: don't understand the unique strategic threat and that what's called 854 00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,719 Speaker 1: the threat matrix, that it's out there, and this is 855 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,600 Speaker 1: something that I've spent twenty seven years studying. All I 856 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,920 Speaker 1: can do is advise people. So far, no one has 857 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,160 Speaker 1: taken our advice. They all want to sort of be 858 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,960 Speaker 1: uh the next Rockefeller of energy and try to get 859 00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,600 Speaker 1: rich quick off these things, and I tell people, well, 860 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,800 Speaker 1: you know what, let's do this like get hub for 861 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,000 Speaker 1: Unix or some of these operating systems that are open source. 862 00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,400 Speaker 1: They can still eventually be monetized and they can still 863 00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:17,040 Speaker 1: eventually create revenue for your your group, But don't keep 864 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,480 Speaker 1: it secret. It's got to be something that it belongs 865 00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,040 Speaker 1: to every man, woman and child on planet Earth at 866 00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,359 Speaker 1: the beginning. UM, and that's when I'm recommending. So far, 867 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,799 Speaker 1: no one's taken us up on that offer. And if 868 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,719 Speaker 1: you guys know anyone who is ready to, you know, 869 00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,359 Speaker 1: they should give me a call yesterday. If you're out 870 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,120 Speaker 1: there listening and you have a device such as this, 871 00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,439 Speaker 1: you can write to us conspiracy at how stuff Works 872 00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,480 Speaker 1: dot com, or you can contact Dr Greer at our 873 00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,320 Speaker 1: website is Serious Disclosure dot com. S I R I 874 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,000 Speaker 1: U S Disclosure dot com. So there's a part in 875 00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,600 Speaker 1: the film and acknowledge that really struck me when I 876 00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,239 Speaker 1: was watching it, and I didn't feel like it was 877 00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,080 Speaker 1: addressed as as deeply as as I at least I 878 00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,719 Speaker 1: had questions about UM. So let me see if you 879 00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,040 Speaker 1: can follow up on this a little bit. There's a 880 00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,120 Speaker 1: part that which is on the possibility that these intelligent 881 00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,600 Speaker 1: beings may not be traveling from distant worlds to visit Earth, 882 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,440 Speaker 1: but are instead visiting from other dimensions. UM, can you 883 00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,520 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the multidimensional concept and how 884 00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,719 Speaker 1: it operates, and how maybe that also figures into this 885 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,160 Speaker 1: idea of the technology that's far more advanced than anything 886 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:25,120 Speaker 1: we can wrap our heads around. All interstellar civilizations are transdimensional. 887 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,960 Speaker 1: For interdimensional, to go from one star system to another, 888 00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,879 Speaker 1: you have to go beyond the speed of light. When 889 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,560 Speaker 1: you go through what I call the crossing point of light, 890 00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:40,879 Speaker 1: you are in other dimensions. Now, there are also intelligences 891 00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:46,000 Speaker 1: that are interdimensional but are not extraterrestrial. They don't originate 892 00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:50,600 Speaker 1: on a as we would describe physical planet or star system, 893 00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,560 Speaker 1: but they reside in other dimensions. These two things are 894 00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,600 Speaker 1: conflated all the time, and I think that this is 895 00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:02,640 Speaker 1: I call it cosmo laws or indigestion because people lack 896 00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:07,440 Speaker 1: of proper differential diagnosis is what we say in medicine. UM. 897 00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,360 Speaker 1: It's a little bit like if someone comes into my 898 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,600 Speaker 1: e er uh and they have chest pain, and the 899 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,960 Speaker 1: only diagnosis I have is heart attack, and there are 900 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,680 Speaker 1: a hundreds fifteen other things that could be dissecting thoratic 901 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:24,640 Speaker 1: aneurysm blah blah blah. So what has happened in the 902 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,759 Speaker 1: people looking into this subject is that they have to 903 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:36,000 Speaker 1: understand there are extraterrestrial biological entities with extraterrestrial vehicles from 904 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,000 Speaker 1: other planets and star systems. If they've reached the ability 905 00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,200 Speaker 1: to go beyond the speed of light, they are by 906 00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:48,200 Speaker 1: definition also interdimensional. They're crossing to other dimensions. But people 907 00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,480 Speaker 1: also have experiences with all kinds of weird things that 908 00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:55,000 Speaker 1: are from other dimensions that are not quote unquote from 909 00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,000 Speaker 1: a physical star system and planet. Does this make sense 910 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,839 Speaker 1: to you? I see what you're saying there. Yeah, absolutely 911 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,320 Speaker 1: of the concept. It's a it's a very important distinction. 912 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,799 Speaker 1: So what I what I think that people, and I 913 00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,280 Speaker 1: don't want to confuse the audience too much, but basically 914 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:20,280 Speaker 1: what I say is all interstellar civilizations are interdimensional, but 915 00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:25,720 Speaker 1: not all interdimensional beings are extraterrestrial. Got you? I think? 916 00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,080 Speaker 1: What when what was getting at was there was a 917 00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,760 Speaker 1: there was a part where they're discussing nuclear weapons and 918 00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:35,120 Speaker 1: detonating and testing nuclear weapons on Earth, and one one 919 00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:40,760 Speaker 1: interviewee uh mentions that perhaps we're causing more damage on 920 00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,720 Speaker 1: a higher dimension if you're talking first, second, third, fourth 921 00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:45,760 Speaker 1: and higher. Well, in the way it's that came off 922 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,280 Speaker 1: to me was almost as though it were like another 923 00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:52,400 Speaker 1: timeline where there was a more extreme version of something 924 00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,200 Speaker 1: that we had done in this reality, and the idea 925 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,880 Speaker 1: of like, well, yes, and it's both. It's it's that 926 00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:02,400 Speaker 1: it's those sort of events and the electromagnetic pulse and 927 00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:06,640 Speaker 1: then things that aren't normally measured by scientists in nuclear experiments, 928 00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,880 Speaker 1: energies that go they do then cross interdimensional and that's 929 00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,600 Speaker 1: what Gordon Crichton was the name of that witness who 930 00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,080 Speaker 1: I personally interviewed at his own prior to his death. 931 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,440 Speaker 1: He had been a British intelligence and Foreign Service official 932 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:25,400 Speaker 1: who who ironically I knew about this in his official capacities, 933 00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:29,240 Speaker 1: and then began to publish an old UFO magazine called 934 00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:34,120 Speaker 1: Flying Saucer Review, which Prince Philip and Prince Charles subscribed 935 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,240 Speaker 1: to until he stopped publishing. He told me this personally, 936 00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:42,160 Speaker 1: so um interesting when Gordon said that it's the statement 937 00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,760 Speaker 1: is pregnant with implications, but basically what he was saying 938 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,440 Speaker 1: is that you know, if you look at sort of 939 00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,520 Speaker 1: the ancient alien concept that there's evidence that there have 940 00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:56,200 Speaker 1: been extraterrestrial civilizations observing or involved with the planet for thousands, 941 00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:00,880 Speaker 1: past millions of years. But the modern arab really got 942 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:06,880 Speaker 1: launched when we started detonating atomic and thermal nuclear weapons. Why, well, 943 00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,000 Speaker 1: one may be what he's bringing up, that it may 944 00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:13,280 Speaker 1: be doing disruptions in dimensions that we're not even aware 945 00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:18,000 Speaker 1: of yet. Number Two, it indicates that we have reached 946 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,680 Speaker 1: the ability, as we would say in in in psychiatry 947 00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:25,200 Speaker 1: and medicine, where we become a danger to ourselves and others. 948 00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:29,840 Speaker 1: In other words, were collectively insane and crazy because we 949 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,480 Speaker 1: have weapons, we have technologies we've developed that have then 950 00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,520 Speaker 1: been weaponize that could terminate all life on Earth, but 951 00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:41,400 Speaker 1: also could be an existential threat to other civilizations out there. 952 00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,800 Speaker 1: So I think that when we began to play around 953 00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,840 Speaker 1: with these uh weapons of mass destructions in the forties 954 00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:53,040 Speaker 1: and fifties and went from atomic weapons to then hydrogen bombs, 955 00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:57,720 Speaker 1: which are a hundred thousand times more damaging, this began 956 00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,240 Speaker 1: to be a very big concern to extra t astral 957 01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:04,400 Speaker 1: civilizations that probably have been observing us four thousands of 958 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,640 Speaker 1: years and perhaps millions of years. And if It's a 959 01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:12,280 Speaker 1: milestone that a civilization reaches, such as ours, where we 960 01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,560 Speaker 1: have to make a decision. Are we going to live 961 01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:18,080 Speaker 1: together in peace with each other? Do what michik who 962 01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,320 Speaker 1: is called to become a level one civilization? We're a 963 01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,880 Speaker 1: level zero because we're still fighting and destroying the biosphere. 964 01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:29,280 Speaker 1: But become a level one civilization that has global peace 965 01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,080 Speaker 1: and is not destroying the environment for us to have 966 01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,960 Speaker 1: a technological society. Or are we going to stay a 967 01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,920 Speaker 1: level of zero civilization where we become not only a 968 01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,960 Speaker 1: threat to all life on Earth, but now that we're 969 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:46,800 Speaker 1: going into space, are perceived as a potential threat to 970 01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,160 Speaker 1: other star systems and planetary systems. Well. Sure, it seems 971 01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,720 Speaker 1: like these existential threats are such a big part of 972 01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:58,120 Speaker 1: quote unquote, you know, development and progress as we see 973 01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,320 Speaker 1: it on Earth and in our society, and we're dealing 974 01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,960 Speaker 1: with a whole lot of technologies and things that were 975 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:08,320 Speaker 1: maybe advancing faster than we should without fully considering the 976 01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,600 Speaker 1: implications of what they mean, things like you know, nanotechnology 977 01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,880 Speaker 1: and artificial intelligence, and like you mentioned nuclear weapons. I mean, 978 01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:22,080 Speaker 1: is there a sense on some level that we may 979 01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:27,640 Speaker 1: be in danger of being looked at by these civilizations 980 01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,600 Speaker 1: UM as a such an existential threat that we may 981 01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:35,880 Speaker 1: be in danger of potentially being a target for annihilation 982 01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,440 Speaker 1: because of all of these things that we are doing 983 01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:44,400 Speaker 1: without fully grasping the potential for great harm not only 984 01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:48,520 Speaker 1: to our planet but others. Well, I can't speak to you, know, 985 01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,200 Speaker 1: it depends on what we do in the future. But 986 01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,320 Speaker 1: I can say if you look at the past seventy 987 01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:57,800 Speaker 1: five years or so, seventy years UM since the forties, 988 01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,480 Speaker 1: but we we we are you as a threat. But 989 01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:07,840 Speaker 1: if they had that as their main operating uh philosophy, 990 01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,720 Speaker 1: let's call it, there would have been no question we 991 01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:15,200 Speaker 1: would have been stood down in UM. But the reason, 992 01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:18,040 Speaker 1: you know, and there's an interesting little vinyon. I was 993 01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,640 Speaker 1: at Wright Patterson Air Force Space doing a briefing with 994 01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,640 Speaker 1: the colonel and the Air Force intelligence people there in 995 01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,480 Speaker 1: the section that hold a lot of the materials from 996 01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:31,720 Speaker 1: Roswell and elsewhere and UM. The meeting was set up 997 01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,959 Speaker 1: by the head of intelligence for the Joint Staff, who 998 01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,240 Speaker 1: ordered the head of the Air Force to make it happen. 999 01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,640 Speaker 1: And they were not happy about it. UM. But the 1000 01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,120 Speaker 1: man asked me, the colonel asked me, well, what if 1001 01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,200 Speaker 1: these civilizations are a threat to us, I said, I 1002 01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,400 Speaker 1: think it's the other way around. We are viewed as 1003 01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:54,080 Speaker 1: a threat to ourselves and to them potentially, and that 1004 01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,480 Speaker 1: we need to figure out how to lift peacefully and 1005 01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:00,959 Speaker 1: go into space peacefully or it could be a problematic. 1006 01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:05,640 Speaker 1: And the intelligence officer of the civilian was writing furiously 1007 01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:09,720 Speaker 1: as I was speaking answering the colonel's question, and one 1008 01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,320 Speaker 1: of the things I said is that if that was 1009 01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:17,520 Speaker 1: really their intent, and they were by nature that hostile, 1010 01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:21,200 Speaker 1: it would have been point set matching over uh and 1011 01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:25,440 Speaker 1: August of nine when we dropped the first atomic equipment. 1012 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,520 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, I said, the fact that 1013 01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,240 Speaker 1: we're still breathing the free air of Earth doing all 1014 01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,959 Speaker 1: the stupid things that we are doing as a civilization, 1015 01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,919 Speaker 1: destroying the biosphere, endless wars, weapons of mass to start, 1016 01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,760 Speaker 1: shows how amazingly restrained they are. Because you're dealing with 1017 01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:45,000 Speaker 1: civilizations that are hundreds of thousands and millions of years 1018 01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,760 Speaker 1: or more developed than we are, so being able to 1019 01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:53,000 Speaker 1: sort of deal with this problem, you know what, the 1020 01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:56,160 Speaker 1: human situation would be very simple. The fact that they 1021 01:03:56,240 --> 01:04:01,960 Speaker 1: haven't is direct evidence that they're not that way by nature. However, 1022 01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:05,000 Speaker 1: now this is the big However, if we were to 1023 01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,720 Speaker 1: reach the point that we would be going out into 1024 01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:11,400 Speaker 1: space more and more as a threat to them or 1025 01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:15,040 Speaker 1: to other peaceful planets that have reached Level one or 1026 01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:19,240 Speaker 1: Level two or Level three levels of enlightened civilizations, that 1027 01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,720 Speaker 1: could change. So I think that this is why, this 1028 01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,800 Speaker 1: is another reason why disclosure is so important, and calmer 1029 01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,720 Speaker 1: heads need to prevail, and we have to figure out 1030 01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,320 Speaker 1: how are we going to live on this planet together 1031 01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,800 Speaker 1: in peace and how are we going to go out 1032 01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:40,120 Speaker 1: into space peacefully? And that it's interesting. There's really one 1033 01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:44,000 Speaker 1: possible long term future and that's one of what I 1034 01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,400 Speaker 1: call universal peace, not only peace on Earth, but peace 1035 01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:51,320 Speaker 1: and space. And anything short of that is annihilation. So 1036 01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,200 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, we have a choice to make. 1037 01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:55,880 Speaker 1: Do we want to choose annihilation or do we want 1038 01:04:55,880 --> 01:05:00,560 Speaker 1: to choose going forward for thousands of years as peaceful 1039 01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:04,400 Speaker 1: and enlightened civilization. I think that is the big choice 1040 01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,800 Speaker 1: that every man, woman, a child on Earth in is facing. 1041 01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:11,400 Speaker 1: You know, Dr Greer, I love that you point that out, 1042 01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:16,440 Speaker 1: because this is anticipating one of the biggest questions we 1043 01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:20,439 Speaker 1: wanted to ask, which is a future oriented there? What 1044 01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,800 Speaker 1: is the uh you know, what do you see If 1045 01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:27,160 Speaker 1: we were speculating over the next let's say short term, 1046 01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:31,080 Speaker 1: the next five years, are there any milestones that the 1047 01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:36,840 Speaker 1: audience should be on the lookout for. I think number one, 1048 01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:42,960 Speaker 1: the audience needs to become activist. So if, for example, 1049 01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:46,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to be on the coast to coast on Friday, 1050 01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,880 Speaker 1: they might have five million people listening. If each of 1051 01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,360 Speaker 1: those people got the book in the film, or even 1052 01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,520 Speaker 1: once to our site and made a donation, we'd be 1053 01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,280 Speaker 1: able to open the Energy Lab this year. And a 1054 01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:59,520 Speaker 1: lot of people want to be entertained with shock and 1055 01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,320 Speaker 1: dribble on this subject. What I think people need to 1056 01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:06,160 Speaker 1: begin to understand is that that that the passivity is 1057 01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:10,640 Speaker 1: sitting around looking at boob tube, YouTube and other things 1058 01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:14,680 Speaker 1: and just consuming the latest sensational thing on guy a 1059 01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:22,040 Speaker 1: TV or elsewhere really needs to get transformed into genuine activism. Um. 1060 01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:25,440 Speaker 1: And I think people need to begin to, you know, 1061 01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,440 Speaker 1: walk the walk on this. So I would say that 1062 01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,400 Speaker 1: that's what people need to start asking themselves. And that's 1063 01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:35,840 Speaker 1: the first thing. The second thing is things that you 1064 01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:39,000 Speaker 1: would be concerned about in the future. Are things that 1065 01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:41,760 Speaker 1: I've observed in the last eighteen months and that is 1066 01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:47,160 Speaker 1: a ratcheting up books, articles and figures going out into 1067 01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:52,080 Speaker 1: the public domain. UM, sort of presenting this sort of 1068 01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:56,439 Speaker 1: fierce threat alien threat that Bernavon Brown in my teen 1069 01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,160 Speaker 1: seventy four warned about that would be a complete lie 1070 01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:03,120 Speaker 1: in a hoax UM. And I think that that is quickening, 1071 01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,120 Speaker 1: that the case of that is quickening. So I'm concerned 1072 01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:10,560 Speaker 1: that a disclosure will happen that serves the agenda of 1073 01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:12,880 Speaker 1: those who kept a secret. And I wrote a paper 1074 01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:17,400 Speaker 1: in the nineties called When Disclosure Serves Secrecy. It's on 1075 01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,400 Speaker 1: our website on serious disclosure dot com. I recommend people 1076 01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:23,840 Speaker 1: read it, and it's an analysis of how disclosure could 1077 01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:28,600 Speaker 1: be hijacked and turned into UM, a sort of a 1078 01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:33,640 Speaker 1: fearfest of everything alien that would of course benefit the 1079 01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:38,120 Speaker 1: same war momitoring and war profiteering fascists that have been 1080 01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,120 Speaker 1: ruling the planet since World War Two. So I think 1081 01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:44,240 Speaker 1: that the public needs to be very aware that that's 1082 01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:48,440 Speaker 1: being fast tracked. I made this film because the heads 1083 01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:51,240 Speaker 1: up I've gotten that that is the fast tracked and 1084 01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:54,480 Speaker 1: we need to do something to avert that disaster. Well 1085 01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,680 Speaker 1: said Dr Greer, We want to I want to thank 1086 01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,520 Speaker 1: you so very much for taking the time time to 1087 01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,840 Speaker 1: speak with us today, and for everyone out there listening. 1088 01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:08,240 Speaker 1: If you would like to learn more about the Disclosure Project, 1089 01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,880 Speaker 1: of the future of government secrecy, and all of the 1090 01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,640 Speaker 1: other things that have been treated as rumors in the 1091 01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:18,680 Speaker 1: mainstream media, then do check out Unacknowledged nextpose of the 1092 01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:22,799 Speaker 1: World's Greatest Secret. It's available now on iTunes, Amazon Video, 1093 01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:26,400 Speaker 1: Google Play, and Voodoo. It will be on demand on 1094 01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:39,640 Speaker 1: May three. That's a wild ride. Huh. Yes, certainly is fascinating. 1095 01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:42,519 Speaker 1: I'm going to spend hours and hours just doing more 1096 01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:47,120 Speaker 1: research on a lot of topics. He will trust me, folks. Well, 1097 01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we created just a little insider 1098 01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:53,160 Speaker 1: baseball here. We created a document that was fairly long 1099 01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,760 Speaker 1: when we were looking at Dr Greer and all of 1100 01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,519 Speaker 1: the stuff that they cover in Unacknowledged, Like I said, 1101 01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:02,800 Speaker 1: a lot to unpack, many many levels. Yes, I just 1102 01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:06,000 Speaker 1: want to say right here, right after this, you may 1103 01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:10,479 Speaker 1: be you may be familiar with Serious Serious Disclosure, which 1104 01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,720 Speaker 1: was the previous documentary that Stephen Grier produced. I know 1105 01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:15,760 Speaker 1: I watched that. I think I think we watched that 1106 01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:20,640 Speaker 1: back in the day, and um back in the day. Anyway, 1107 01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:24,559 Speaker 1: that one focused a lot on what Dr Greer spoke 1108 01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:28,880 Speaker 1: about with contacting aliens with the close encounters of the 1109 01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:34,880 Speaker 1: fifth kind, and unacknowledged was much more about the individual 1110 01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:40,200 Speaker 1: interviews of the Disclosure Project people and that false flag 1111 01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:42,200 Speaker 1: attack that that he was speaking about at the end 1112 01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:45,800 Speaker 1: of the interview. There, yes, yes, yes, similar to uh 1113 01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:50,640 Speaker 1: the concept in the original version of Watchman. That's right. 1114 01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:54,360 Speaker 1: So one of the things that we're very fortunate to 1115 01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:59,400 Speaker 1: explore with Dr Greer was the concept of um the 1116 01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:04,600 Speaker 1: nature rather the mechanism of secrecy and classification in the 1117 01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:09,639 Speaker 1: US government. And we want to be clear that not 1118 01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:16,280 Speaker 1: every government or every state works the same way, especially 1119 01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:21,440 Speaker 1: with regard to the concept of these special access projects. 1120 01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:29,280 Speaker 1: That's compartmentalization, right, And so you may recall hearing Dr 1121 01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:33,600 Speaker 1: Greer say that someone was read onto a file or 1122 01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:37,240 Speaker 1: something like that. We do want to verify for you 1123 01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:41,920 Speaker 1: and confirm that it is it is absolutely true that 1124 01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:47,280 Speaker 1: the president you vote for, the congressional representative that you 1125 01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:52,840 Speaker 1: you know, go door to door campaigning for I can 1126 01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:59,760 Speaker 1: easily not no, can easily and legally not know some 1127 01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:03,080 Speaker 1: thing that is going on, at least in the case 1128 01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,679 Speaker 1: of the US government, and is very much a left 1129 01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:09,240 Speaker 1: hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. Situation. 1130 01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:13,080 Speaker 1: And additionally, Dr Grim did bring up one of my 1131 01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:19,839 Speaker 1: favorite facts which is so crazy and so often ignored 1132 01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:24,160 Speaker 1: and so true. This government, the US government does have 1133 01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:27,120 Speaker 1: the right when you apply for a patent. So let's 1134 01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:34,799 Speaker 1: say Matt invents what's something amazing, free energy? Matt invents 1135 01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,599 Speaker 1: a free energy widget? All right, perfect, So Matt invents 1136 01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:42,400 Speaker 1: a free energy widget and he files a patent. If 1137 01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:48,599 Speaker 1: it is seen as something that could be contradicting the 1138 01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:53,479 Speaker 1: interests of national security, then not only can that patent 1139 01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:57,760 Speaker 1: be suppressed, not only will he lose ownership of it, 1140 01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,000 Speaker 1: but he will also get hit with a gag order 1141 01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:03,840 Speaker 1: which does not allow them to talk about this is 1142 01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:09,280 Speaker 1: a real thing that happens. This, of course, spread so 1143 01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:13,200 Speaker 1: much fuel to the fire of people who have conspiracies 1144 01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:16,640 Speaker 1: about technological suppression. One. It's one of those things to 1145 01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:20,519 Speaker 1: where like what constitutes a real and present threat to 1146 01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:23,439 Speaker 1: national security that could be up to some very high 1147 01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:28,000 Speaker 1: level individuals to determine, possibly for nefarious purposes, and like 1148 01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:31,280 Speaker 1: just swiping that for their own use. Oh yeah, definitely. 1149 01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,479 Speaker 1: And if you're interested in that stuff, we have several 1150 01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:39,600 Speaker 1: episodes in the past about specifically those topics. Uh. I 1151 01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,559 Speaker 1: think stan Meyer was brought up as uh, yeah, stan 1152 01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:46,559 Speaker 1: Meyer was definitely inventor of the water powered car allegedly. Yeah, 1153 01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,839 Speaker 1: but what Stephen Greer focused on is that terroidal device 1154 01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:53,920 Speaker 1: that was like the the main thing. I guess, um, 1155 01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:55,680 Speaker 1: check out our episodes if you want to learn more 1156 01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:58,880 Speaker 1: about that stuff. And I guess this one ran kind 1157 01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,559 Speaker 1: of long, so I think will save shout out corner 1158 01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,519 Speaker 1: for next time. But do you guys have any final thoughts? 1159 01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,519 Speaker 1: I will say that we've been getting some fantastic listener 1160 01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:09,360 Speaker 1: mail well, and we're going to cobble those together and 1161 01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:13,800 Speaker 1: do a legit, hardcore shout out fest. 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