WEBVTT - Conversations On Why May 4th Should Be A Hip Hop Holiday 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:04.320 Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:07.440 Sealers Podcast with your hosts Now fuck that with your 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:17.560 low glasses Malone, because I had some crazy thoughts from yesterday, 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:19.560 but I just been going through this crazy shit for 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:20.439 the last twelve months. 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:21.480 It's just been crazy. 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:26.120 And it's funny because I forgot Kiki was coming with Sega, right, 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:28.440 So it's like, Dope, Dad, Kiki here, right, Kiki Lok 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:31.720 shout out to everybody who don't know with Kiki Lok 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:36.320 legendary West Coast foundation of gangster rap. Feel me somebody 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:38.880 important in my life since I've been a kid. You 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:42.320 know what I'm saying, Just all around talent, true blue 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:43.760 go look it up, do your homework. 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:46.279 You know what I'm saying. But it's important because more 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:52.839 than anything, Mute that phone was that this is just yeah, 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:56.120 somebody that's foundational to me and hip hop that understood 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:59.480 it way before I understood it, and all of the above. 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:01.959 So I thought it was dope to have everybody here. 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:04.480 So my little bro here, my big bro here, Tommy 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:06.759 Shagging here, my brother Saga, the whole team show. 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:12.360 It's like dope, I told hid to come on today. 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:14.920 I never usually have Head come on here, because I 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:17.160 don't really have too much shenanigans, Like I don't really 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:19.640 do shenanigans, like I really be thinking about the shit 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:21.600 I be saying. All my shit be in good faith, 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:24.080 even if people think I'm crazy, because it'd be in 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:25.560 good faith, Like I don't really. 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:27.880 Why does the audience have to suffer them for all 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:29.280 these headless podcasts? 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:32.760 Because Head got his own show and you can go 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.280 see Head shit on his show. So I really don't 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:37.720 try to have Head come over here be fucking up 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.759 all our craziness. But this was important, and I had 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:43.520 a great fucking idea. 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:48.040 Yo, this is what I was saying here. May fourth 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:54.640 should be a day that hip hop celebrates forever. May 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:59.120 fourth is the day hip hop won its independence back. 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:02.800 May fourth is. 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:06.880 A day when an invasion, like a tyrant invaded this 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:11.440 thing that we call hip hop. You know, fifteen years ago, 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:16.040 a tyrant, a foreign tyrant, invaded this thing that we 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:21.200 call hipposy. Sound crazy, I know it sounds bad, sound raggedy, 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:29.400 but it's truth. Pete a foreign a foreign person, not 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:33.920 foreign in land, but foreign and cultural experience foreign, and 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:38.280 was able to mask themselves and parade themselves around as 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:38.920 the culture. 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:43.480 Right, huh, a northern imperialist. 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:45.480 I'm not going to get the land. 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:48.240 I'm just saying culturally unavailable because they have that same 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:48.919 culture up there. 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:50.160 It's just he's not a part of that. 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:55.280 Think about it, right, May fourth is today hip hop 0:02:55.600 --> 0:03:00.240 won its independence back. It actually became a street even 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:01.880 elk again thanks. 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:06.359 To the song not Like Us. That is the day 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:07.919 Not Like Us was released. 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:12.880 And I think every May fourth we need to have 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:20.840 a celebration to celebrate hip hop fighting back and winning 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:25.040 its independence, no different than they did for the Revolutionary War. 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:29.240 This morning I woke up, it was a bunch of 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:32.239 people talking about a little brother, about dot Kop, about 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:34.800 Kendrick oh Man glasses. You know, he took his moment 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:38.360 to celebrate Drake as much, and I thought, as much 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:40.920 as the British. It's celebrated on the fourth of July. 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:44.920 Yeah, I mean, you know what I'm saying, that's a 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.520 good that's a good take straight up. 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:47.800 Right. 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:49.360 It's like it's like, I mean, it's. 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.720 A perversion of the victory. I mean it's like, okay, 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:54.400 so what then we're celebrating the chiefs. You know what 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.040 I mean there, it's just a way to try to 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:00.520 pervert or downplay the victory. Like I get you going. 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.600 But at the end of the day, bro, it's a victory. 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:06.200 However you want to paint it that makes you comfortable, 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:07.520 you celebrating Drake? 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:10.280 Okay, cool? Right, cool, that's fine. 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:13.040 So I was thinking here that we should turn that 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:16.960 into the first national holiday in hip hop. 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:21.039 Don't they didn't. Didn't the white people give us one already? 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:21.520 No? 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:24.960 No, like, no, they don't. They try to celebrate. No, 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.039 they try to celebrate the day hip hop started with 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:27.479 a party. 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:29.440 I feel like there's. 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.719 Gonna get people from New York not terribly pleased with 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:34.200 this particular selection. 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:35.520 I disagree. 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:40.320 Hold up, yeah, we have somebody from New York, from Queens, 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.800 New York, my man Trap looming over the chat with 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:46.400 his presence and vocals right now, Trap, what do you think? 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:47.839 Man? 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:51.119 That's around when the wards was fought? 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:52.920 Though, you know what I'm saying, Back in the days, 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:55.360 what was that the Civil War that was fought between 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:57.000 the North from the South and ship like that? 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.920 Yeah, I mean so, I'm I mean, yeah, I guess 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.080 I wouldn't have no problem with that at all. 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:08.240 You know, what I'm saying, hip hop's independence day. 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:11.120 We need to figure out a dope name for it. 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:13.520 So I don't have a name. Okay, So look this 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:17.839 is my question, right, Okay, what take So you're saying 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:20.080 hip hop when it's independence from what? 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:25.400 From this foreign hierarchy? It's okay. 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:26.960 So so. 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:34.120 As an emulator, but not necessarily the truth cloth cut 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.200 from it. He knew cold knew what to do to 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:40.320 you know, advance and and you know, advance the business 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:42.640 and put it all together. You know how to manipulate 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.560 that well and present it and mimic it. But at 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:48.159 the same time, it wasn't of that. It's just like 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:50.000 somebody coming to your family or your hood or your 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.840 block saying, hey, they're looking at everything you do. They're like, oh, 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:55.360 this that's cool. That's cool too, that's cool, I'm gonna 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.720 do it. Oh look look I'm dressed like I'm like, y'all, 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:01.680 look I did too. And then but then the real 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:05.280 dude from the block comes out because he's talking tough, 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.200 just like them. So it's like, now you meet up 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.640 and just it's what the culture is gonna win every time. 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:15.400 If you're not from there, no seling money, you grew 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:15.800 up in it. 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:20.120 No Selings Live the Lunch Hour every Monday, Wednesday and 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:23.800 Friday at noon Pacific Standard time right here on Digital Soapbox. 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.120 Click that thumbs up button. Let everybody know you in 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:28.640 the house. If you're on Twitter, retweet this link. Tell 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.600 a friend. If you're on Facebook, share this post. 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No Sellings Podcasts Executive produced by 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:48.120 charlemagnea God, the. 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:56.919 What is It Pete and Network. 0:06:56.760 --> 0:07:01.040 Glomorate you feel me shout out to my boy, he said, 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:04.040 I agree, And I'm from South Bronx, the home of 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:05.000 hip hop the Bronx. 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:10.280 So again, so you're saying that, you're saying that hip 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:12.080 hop was colonized. 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:15.040 Yes, over the last fifteen years, and black. 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:19.680 And black and culture took it back May fourth. 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.800 And the street urban cultu urban culture took it. One 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:26.640 man street urban culture came and took it back. 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.480 So what's the significance of May fourth from back in 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:30.920 the day you said fifteen years ago? 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.120 No, No, May fourth last year. 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:34.840 Oh got you twenty twenty four? 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:37.200 Yeah, yeah, it was the day I thought you were 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:40.200 saying when you started that May fourth was the day 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:45.240 before like Drake's first shit dropped. No, so there had 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:49.560 been like this occupation for fifteen years from May fourth 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:53.320 of twenty ten or whatever the fuck until that ended. 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:54.680 But we're just talking about when it ended. 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:59.160 No, No, May fourth is the day that not like 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:05.360 us dropped. Yeah, gotcha, and it stole it took it. 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:09.640 Y'all gotta understand, this didn't happen for jazz, all right, 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:13.960 This didn't happen for jazz. We just lost jazz. There 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:17.320 was no fight to keep jazz. There was no fight 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:21.360 to keep rock and roll. Mhm, there was no fight 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:24.880 to kick this stuff. When when when these people came 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:26.800 and colonized the rest of this stuff? Shout out to 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:28.640 the people, because I'm not talking about y'all. Y'all did, 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:32.559 y'all liked it, and then y'all became it. You know, 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.600 you gotta invest in what's working, right, You gotta invest 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:40.120 in what's working. If you're in business, you gotta invest 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:45.080 in what's working. Hip Hop is the first genre of 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:49.400 all black music that decided to say we're going to 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:55.599 gate keep. Hm, I saw this white man, Frank. 0:08:55.320 --> 0:09:01.800 Stallan, Selvester Stallone's brother when now, mind you, Beyonce didn't get. 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:04.080 Anything about to say the country because they was I mean, 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:04.880 she didn't get. 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:09.840 Anything the countryward she won Best Country Album at the Grammys, 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:12.360 and Frank the Loan stood up and said that lady 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:13.319 is not living. 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:16.840 A country experience. He named a bunch of other country 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:19.400 acts that happened to be white. I don't know if 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:21.520 it's that's why, but they were white and. 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:25.120 Even said post Malone like, these people dedicate their whole 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:26.760 life to country. 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:29.599 Which is funny because Frank's not a country guy, a 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:30.440 funny guy. 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:34.920 Yeah right, So it's like I thought about that. I 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:36.280 was like, so I'm not crazy. 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:40.360 Even Frank Stallone was like, you know, hey, you're not 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:44.600 from that culture. You are not from the culture. 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:47.920 So even if somebody likes Frank who's outside of the 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:49.520 country culture can notice it. 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:51.280 I'm not crazy. 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:58.400 Culture perfect accuracy, it's just it's it's just rot with 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:00.720 That's that's one of the funnier I wasn't even aware 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:02.480 of that. That's that's one of the like most more 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:10.439 layered funny irony statements like real of the recent times. 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:14.760 Like that. 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:17.000 I can't knock that, you know. 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:21.560 Like you really like from like Houston, like that part 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:25.600 of that culture area in Houston, like that's it's hard 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.679 to I mean, you gotta be out like farming in 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:31.280 the sticks to be more country culturally than like than Texas. 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:32.040 I mean ship. 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:35.840 Shout out to doctor, thank you for the two dollars. 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:38.760 Y'all can celebrate on the West real good down south there. 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:39.920 You need to get in on this. 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:44.240 So do you think that so what happens when it 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:48.920 gets colonized again, it's gonna I don't think. 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:49.480 It's going to happen. 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:50.480 It's gonna happen again. 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.960 I'm going to be not for a long while. It's 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.079 gonna be a minute. It's gonna be a minute. It's 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:56.600 gonna happen. 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:58.119 You're gonna control. 0:10:58.000 --> 0:10:58.560 Now we just have. 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:02.839 It's a different perspective of understanding what you have now. 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:06.080 What about to the next young generation? 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:08.240 Do you think they're gonna be aware as much as 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:09.440 what we're aware about right now? 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:12.360 I don't think so. And I'm gonna tell you why. 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.440 Me and Kiki was just talking about this off air. 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:17.680 Shout out to my og on the k Loco. Right, No, 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:20.240 it's not just that hip hop is in a weird space. 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:23.600 Because if we don't find out the independent business side 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:26.480 of this, it's gonna pass. It's gonna it's gonna die 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:32.760 off anyway, right, because the production company creates the opportunities 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:35.120 for the record labels, like they don't know what else 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:35.400 to do. 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:37.640 They're going to sign whatever we're pushing. 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:41.040 So they're gonna either sign whatever we're selling them, right, 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:44.600 or they're gonna try to get an identity identical version 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:45.679 of what we're selling. 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:49.920 So when they missed on Snoop Dogg, they signed Warren 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:51.920 G def Jam. 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:54.680 I mean, when people miss they go sign you know, 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.040 That's why regions get hot, That's why people think the 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:58.080 West has a chance. 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:00.920 By the way, right, they feel like the West has 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:04.120 a chance. Like, well, Kendrick is popping, he has the sound, 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:06.000 and me and Kick was just talking about this. 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.960 There is no West Coast sound. The West Coast what 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:12.280 you call sound is built off funk music. We just 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:15.400 adopted funk music. Their generation adopted funk music. But KEI 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:18.280 gi them listen to all kinds of the music too. Yeah, yeah, 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:20.200 I think it's fair to say that the party was 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:23.400 more active to funk and that became the foundation of 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:24.080 our hip hop. 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:27.280 But that don't mean it's our sound. We have a 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:29.839 pace of life like it is always talks about. 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:33.599 Though it's all derivatives, it is in the context of 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:34.120 hip hop. 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:35.079 I think it does. 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.280 I think that we do have a sound, though we 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:40.600 don't have the way that we put together those sounds 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.120 sound the way that we sound, yeah know, the way 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:46.680 we put together context because because even the G Funk didn't. 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:48.840 Use it, it was fun. 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:52.720 The way we use those, we don't really have a sound. 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:56.800 We talk about regional VPNs. 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:57.960 Where would you say that? 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.360 Where would you say that you find the way they 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.560 use the G funk stuff somewhere else besides Detroit. 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:07.600 Well, remember KEI can tell you firsthand they grew up 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.000 off EPM D. That was the ship. All my older 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:12.800 homies brag about EPMD and they was using. 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:14.720 Funk, but they were using funk. 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:17.440 When you take diamond D funk, it's a whole nother 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:20.360 it's funk, but it's just the sound of it. 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:21.920 Articular history. 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.360 One of you hunted the perspective which gives us the 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:26.319 West Coast sound. 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.200 Because I mean, I mean I guess you can say 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:31.400 this in different eras in ages, because when I think 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:32.360 West Coast, I. 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:33.520 Think them simps. 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:36.199 I think that, like you said, in the sense because 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.280 of the era of where I started at in my 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:43.280 age group that boom boom, you feel me that that's 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:46.679 in a sense considered West Coast in my era. But 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:48.560 when you hear something else like that, you're not gonna 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:49.600 consider that what you're thinking. 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:52.199 Bro, you creep shaking your head. I think you're shaking 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:54.360 your head at me because usually I'm the wrongest. 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:01.480 I'm streaking because I have a real issue with this topic, right, 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:03.800 so you said I have a super issue with this topic. 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.280 I just Joe Budd. I was talking to Joe Budd 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:10.200 and his minions about this, and because I asked him, 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.199 I asked him, based on you know, what I've heard, 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.000 and the conversation I've had is pump it Up. Has 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:17.640 he ever heard pump it Up be considered a West 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:19.440 Coast record? He said, no, He's never heard that. It's 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:21.800 an interesting question. The reason why I asked that is 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:25.440 because anything that has tempo to it now, everybody automatically 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:27.960 assumes to this West Coast. I don't like that narrative 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.200 because that's never been the case. I wanted to know 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:33.480 when that pivot and when that shift happened. What defines 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.000 a song that's being quote unquote West Coast or sounding 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.760 West Coast? Is all based on funk, It's all based 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.880 on the bass guitar. If the bass line plays a 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:45.400 certain way at a certain tempo, that's considered West Coast 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:50.040 music because stereotypically and traditionally culturally, our music is based 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:53.120 on funk, which is or comes from the bass guitar itself. 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.160 So you can play other records that are the same 0:14:56.240 --> 0:15:01.960 tempo but with censitizers in it, Like Bruno Mars uses 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.160 a lot of you know that that type of sound. 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:07.120 His songs are between one hundred and four and one 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:10.480 hundred and ten bpm, and those songs are not considered 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:13.440 quote unquote West Coast songs. Even a song called Uptown 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:16.640 Funk is not considered a West Coast song, and that 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:18.520 song is like I think one O seven if my 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:22.040 memory serves me correctly. So I hate that narrative. Like 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:24.640 even if you listen to Black Eyed Peas, Let's get 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:27.920 it started, it's a classic song, right, that's one hundred 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:31.640 and five bpm. That bassline, there's a strong bassline and 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.360 there's two of them, goes boom boom boom boom boom boom. 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:36.600 But the way it's played, people don't look at it 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:38.040 like it's West Coast. People look at it like a 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.240 pop record. So the reason why I say I have 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:43.640 an issue with that is because music with music around 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:46.800 one hundred and ten one hundred epm with a baseline 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:49.480 doesn't automatically make it a West Coast song like I 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:51.000 hate exactly. I agree. 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:53.440 I would agree with that one hundred percent, though I 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:56.960 would not say that the bpm and bassline determines West Coast. 0:15:57.480 --> 0:15:57.600 Know. 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.520 What I'm saying is it does based on how it played. 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:04.720 But the problem is that's for people that people are listening. 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.280 I'm not saying it does make it West Coast. I'm 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:10.560 saying to the percept, the reception and perception of human beings, 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:13.080 they perceive it to be a West Coast song. Rick 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:15.320 Flair Drip is not one hundred bpm and it has 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.280 an eight a eight base to it, but Metro made 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:19.960 it with trap sounds. 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:24.960 Again on those like not like it's a corny example 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:27.080 because it's been used a million times like from another scenario. 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:31.840 It's like like the not all Muslims are terroristball terrorists 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:33.640 and Muslims kind of thing, you know, type of like 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:35.520 it's like not every time that. 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.720 Song that j head has nothing to do with that 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:40.560 statement that was just made. 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:44.160 It's like, I mean, it's just like not every time 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:46.320 West Coast every time. 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:51.040 You know what I'm saying, but but that's not what 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:55.240 I'm saying what people keep saying. So what people. 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:58.920 Keep saying sounds West Coast, that's not what's happening. Like again, 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:01.960 like he just who would you just say? That produced 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:07.720 key from New York? There are Whudini Larry Smith used 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:11.520 funk like this is a like this is a crap narrative. 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:15.000 Remember g thing is just Leon Haywood. I want to 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:19.479 do something freaky to you that's not really special to 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:20.760 us or nothing. 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:22.960 That was just something that was happening. 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:25.320 So a lot of the things that we're getting caught 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:28.159 up with on hip hop is what things sound like 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:31.600 but sound like it's really a lazy effort to identify something. 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:33.879 Shout out to my boy Low Diggs. He used to 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:36.040 always have this expression and I use it all the time. 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:40.000 To listen clinically is to listen and end right listen 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:43.960 and in right. That's the clinical definition of listening. To 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:48.200 listen and in to hear is to acknowledge sound. It's 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.159 without detail. So that's why when like you arguing with 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:55.200 a girl and she's not listening, she's hearing you, you're 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:58.040 gonna say something. She gonna say what sound like you said, 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:02.159 because she's telling you emotion what's happening. She's not taking 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:05.160 the detailed listening. So that's my point when I'm saying 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:08.160 when we keep saying West Coast hip hop, like West 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:11.680 Coast hip hop is not really we built a foundation 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:14.800 on funk, but it is not the complete foundation. The 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:17.840 tempo and pace of life is more important than actually 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.400 the genre we use. We can make the same thing 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:22.320 with blues, which is how you get MC eight and 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:23.720 Compass most morning records. 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:25.879 We can make the same things with jazz, which is 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:27.480 how you get dubbed C you are the one of 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:29.720 different things. We can do the same thing with R 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:31.320 and B, which is how you get Doctor Dre and 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:32.840 a lot of the stuff they were doing early on. 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:36.359 It's not just funk, but I get it that people 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:40.160 start right there and say it sounds like something, but 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:43.560 that's only to the common person who don't understand. There 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:47.600 is nothing g funk about next episode. There's not even 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:48.280 a funk song. 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:52.560 But you know what, though, check on the body gonna 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:57.359 you're gonna place. What sound sound like? What? Technically hip hop? 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:00.720 Nobody don't sound like we're on hip hop? 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:01.720 African of. 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:06.760 All them cats that hip hop. That's that's how it started. Yeah, 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:09.400 so ain't no rapper sounding like that? 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:15.919 Sure, bro to touch on what Keith just said, just said, bro, like, 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:21.840 if you go back right, what's the song put your hands, 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:25.560 put your hands on mine to see. Yeahs runs Buster Runs, 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:27.960 that's ninety nine b pm. That has a strong base 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:30.760 based presence. But then one hundred bpm. If you go 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:33.520 to like Lauren Hill do wop, you know that's on 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:39.680 that thing, that's one hundred bpm too. Nobody ever said 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:42.280 that that sounded like a West Coast song, you know 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:45.240 what I'm saying. So, and that's and that's nothing sounds 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:47.440 like that ship So my, that's why I asked the 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:49.800 question when I was talking to Joe. It's like, when 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:51.480 did this shift? I think it's just a bunch of 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:53.880 motherfuckers who don't know what the fuck they're talking about exactly, 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:57.639 classifying ship like that's trap exactly. Like if you think 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:01.120 of trap music, wasn't even that slow DJ toom when 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:04.240 they created trap music. Trap music was between seventy five 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:07.000 and eighty eight bpm. It wasn't. 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:09.040 It wasn't in the sixties, and shit like Bad and 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:13.080 Bougie would probably be quote unquote the biggest trap song ever, 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:15.040