1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: In today's mailbag, I got a familiar note, Hi, Carol. 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: Your episode from a few months ago about the teenage 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: daughter who has friends but doesn't know how to make 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: plans with them stuck in my mind. My daughter was 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: always very social and had a lot of friends. She 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: graduated college in May and lives in a new city, 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: and I'm noticing that she doesn't have the kind of 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: social life she had before. She's not dating anyone, and 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: while she has a few friends, most weekends she does 11 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: not go out. I'm not sure what suggests to her. 12 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: What do you think I'd always read about young people 13 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: being homebodies now, but it had not happened in our 14 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: family before. Well, this is a question I've gotten again 15 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: and again. I think it's the most common question I've 16 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: gotten on the show. Real life life is getting harder 17 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: and harder to come by, especially for young people. But 18 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: because these questions are anonymous, I can't ask follow ups 19 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: like how did she choose this city, what's her job, 20 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: what are her interests? And that kind of thing. So 21 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: I'll try to speak more generally about this. It's the phones. 22 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: We all know it. I've talked about it, and I've 23 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: written about it, but we can't even say it's social 24 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 1: media anymore. We're all just watching TV basically all the time. 25 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: If we were actually watching our actual televisions for eight 26 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: hours a day, eight plus hours a day, we'd know 27 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: it's a giant problem. But because we watch it in 28 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: one or three or five minute clips, it seems fine. 29 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: And look again, I admit that I am just as 30 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: addicted as anyone to my phone. I'm not giving this 31 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: advice from my high perch over here, but I'm so 32 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: aware of it, and I try every single day to 33 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: change it. I've given some of my tips on here before. 34 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: Don't use your apps when you're on vacation. For me, 35 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: it's x that really I spend most of my time 36 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: on that site, so I don't use it when I'm 37 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: on vacation. I remove it from my phone altogether, read 38 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: a book before bed instead of just scrolling for hours. 39 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: Leave the phone in your bag when you're out with 40 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: friends or with your kids. I would also say, really 41 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: minimize how much your kids are using their phones when 42 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: they're interacting with others. I get it, kids are just 43 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: as susceptible as the rest of us to screen time. 44 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: But when they're out with their friends, they should not 45 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: be staring at their phones. And I don't do any 46 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: of this perfectly, but I think recognizing the problem is 47 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: really the first step. If you're the person who wrote 48 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: this in to me, you have to tell your daughter 49 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: to start with trying to change her phone habits. It's 50 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: entirely too easy to lose yourself in hours and hours 51 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: of scrolling. And from there you can suggest that she 52 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: make the first move with new friends, invite them to 53 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: dinner or in activity, but it has to start with 54 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: living life outside her apartment. The main thing is to 55 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: stress to your child that the way her life is 56 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 1: right now is easily the way her life could stay. 57 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: It's very hard to change things. Would she be happy 58 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: with that or is she imagining that she will make 59 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: friends at some point along the way, Because if it's 60 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: that second, one, encourage her to get started right now. 61 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: It's so much harder to make friends as she gets older. 62 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: And I know right now it seems to her like 63 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: she's in a tough spot, tougher than it's ever been 64 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: for her before. That time after college when everyone seems 65 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: to be going their own way, but really it only 66 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: gets harder from there. Soon people will pair off, get married, 67 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: have children, and really settle into their ways. It's actually 68 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: a moment right now where all the post college kids 69 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: are still scrambling around for how their lives are going 70 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: to go. She can lean into it and find her 71 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: people best right now, but it will require putting down 72 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: the phone and leaving the house. Thanks for listening. Coming 73 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: up my interview with Aaron Sibariam. But first, after more 74 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: than a year of war, terror and pain in Israel, 75 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: the need for security essentials and support for first responders 76 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: is still critical. Even in times of ceasefire. 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My guest today is Aaron Sibarium. 92 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 1: Aaron is a staff writer at the Washington Free Weekend. 93 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: Hi erin so nice to have you on. 94 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me, Carol Aarin. 95 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: I think of you as super young, am I right? 96 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 3: I'm twenty nine and when I hit twenty nine, I 97 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 3: felt the crushing weight of being just one year away 98 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 3: from thirty suddenly hit me. So I don't feel as 99 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 3: young as I used to, but I suppose objectively we're 100 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 3: still relatively young. 101 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: I started reading you several years ago now, so you 102 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: were like in your earlier mid twenties. So I guess 103 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: my take is pretty correct. And I got to tell you, 104 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: the thirties were a phenomenal decade. I highly recommend going 105 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: into it without any fears. 106 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 2: Good. Good to know. 107 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: So, how did you get into this world? How did 108 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: you become a writer? 109 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 2: Sure? 110 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 3: So, I wrote opinion pieces for my high school newspaper 111 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 3: and enjoyed stirring the pot a little bit. Even as 112 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 3: a high schooler. I liked it so much that I 113 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 3: decided to do the same thing when I got to 114 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 3: Yale University. I joined the school newspaper as an opinion columnist, 115 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,679 Speaker 3: and then served as the opinion editor of a school 116 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 3: paper for a year, and by the end of college 117 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 3: I basically just yeah, I like writing. I like writing 118 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 3: for a public audience. That's what I want to do 119 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 3: in some capacity. Graduated, went to a small now defunct 120 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: magazine called The American Interest as an editor. To the 121 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 3: extent I did writing there, it was mostly about kind 122 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 3: of the what were then very ourcurant debates about liberalism 123 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 3: and postliberalism, things that I think are still in the 124 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 3: ether but have lost some of their novelty. This was 125 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 3: all kind of debates that have been stirred up on 126 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 3: the right by by Trump's twenty sixteen election, and now 127 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: you know, the shock of that is born off and debate. 128 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 3: The debate isn't a bit of a different place, but 129 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 3: that's kind of what I was interested in. And then yeah, 130 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty, you know, I heard the Free Beacon 131 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 3: was hiring and decided it's probably time for a change. 132 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 3: I'll try this and went over as an editor. But 133 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 3: within a few months me and my boss decided I'd 134 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 3: be more of an asset as a reporter. So I, 135 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 3: having never done any reporting before, tried doing reporting. And 136 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 3: I mean, I wouldn't actually say I'm particularly gifted at it, 137 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 3: but no, I see. 138 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: You as a natural reporter. I'm surprised that that was 139 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: your first reporting job. 140 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 3: No, I don't think I'm actually like, I don't think 141 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 3: I have any kind of special talent, like I'm not, 142 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 3: but but I worked hard, and I guess i'd sort 143 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 3: of just a lucky kind of combination of connections and 144 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 3: early hits and curiosity about topics that we were very hot, 145 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 3: and so it kind of just turned into but kind 146 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 3: of by chance, I just ended up becoming, I mean, 147 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 3: relatively successful, I guess as a center right reporter. What 148 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 3: do you consider your beat, wokeness and institutional capture very broadly, 149 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 3: I mean, I wouldn't say that that's the only thing 150 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: I've ever done reporting on, but that's what most of 151 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 3: it ultimately comes down to. I've done a lot on 152 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 3: universities and higher education, but I've also done things on 153 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 3: medicine and law. My interests are definitely broader than just 154 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 3: higher ed, but probably the most famous, slash impactful stories 155 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 3: I've done have ultimately had something to do with education. 156 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: What's been your biggest story so far or among. 157 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 2: The in terms of raw impact. 158 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 3: I guess Claudine Gay exposing a lot of cases of 159 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 3: plagiarism and former Harvard President Claudine Gay's work, because that 160 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 3: was kind of the strong break of the camels and 161 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 3: led to a resignation from Harvard. So I guess I 162 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 3: probably have to say that one, you know, in terms 163 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 3: of stories I'm actually most maybe proud of, because they 164 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 3: required the most work and were most interesting. 165 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 2: I don't know. I did one on. 166 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 3: UCLA Medical School appears to have implemented a kind of 167 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 3: covert unofficial system of racial preferences and violation. 168 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: That was a really good uh. 169 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, California and federal law that I think was pretty important. 170 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 2: I did some stuff. 171 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 3: This might be the one that I actually think is 172 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 3: objectively the most important. I did some stuff on the uh, 173 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 3: the racial rationing of COVID drugs if you call, and actually, 174 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 3: I think you might have been the one who got 175 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 3: me on this beat, because you had to. 176 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 2: I think it was you. 177 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 3: Carol tweeted something about New York that's this race based 178 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 3: policy for allocating monoclonic antibodies in late twenty twenty one, 179 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 3: and I remember I saw that tweet and thought, huh, 180 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 3: I wonder if other states were doing it, And just 181 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 3: in like two hours of googling, was able to find 182 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,119 Speaker 3: two other, I think even more brazen examples. 183 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 2: And then I read the fine print. 184 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 3: It was like, oh, they're citing the Food and Drug 185 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 3: Administration Emergency Use Authorization guidance to justify this completely insane 186 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 3: trioch justs okay, and basically just wrote that up. And 187 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 3: then you know, within like two weeks, Tucker Carlson had 188 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 3: tooked about it on his then Fox show, and the 189 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 3: programs have been canceled in Utah and Minnesota. Those were 190 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 3: states that were doing this. So that I think was 191 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 3: pretty impactful to just show that, like we actually could 192 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 3: get to the point where life saving medical care was 193 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 3: being rationed based on race. 194 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: But so what's interesting about that is I think that 195 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: that shows what a natural reporter, you are, because I 196 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: heard that story and I was like, wow, New York 197 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: is crazy, and that's you know, that's where I left it. 198 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 1: You were like, wait, is this happening elsewhere? Like how 199 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: do I get to the bottom of this. I'm not 200 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: a reporter. I've never been a reporter. So I could 201 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: see the difference in our approach to it. Like, to me, 202 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: it was a I tweeted it and I was done, 203 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: and you went much deeper. 204 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 2: You know. 205 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: I'm just saying maybe you are a natural reporter and 206 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: you're you just don't know it. So was there ever 207 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: a plan B? Was there ever, like if you don't 208 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: become a writer, you're going to be a. 209 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean I thought that being. 210 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 3: Like working at a think tank or doing some kind 211 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 3: of policy where it could be interesting, you know, which 212 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 3: would still involve writing, but in a bit of a 213 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 3: different context. You know. I think there was a period 214 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 3: where I thought, oh, like I like philosophy, I like 215 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 3: going to school, I could be an academic. But then 216 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 3: the problem is that at the time I was actually 217 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 3: an undergraduate at Yale, that those were the years when 218 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 3: Yale was kind of rocked by what you might call 219 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 3: a kind of embryonic version of what happened in twenty twenty. Right, 220 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 3: there was this rather silly scandal over cultural appropriation and 221 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 3: Halloween costumes that's somehow spiraled into months of protests and 222 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 3: recriminations and mo behings and name changes and all sorts 223 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 3: of other things that really prefigured what I think the 224 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 3: country saw following George Floyd in twenty twenty. It happened 225 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 3: at year kind of first in twenty fifteen, being on 226 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 3: campus during that time and being maybe a kind of 227 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 3: semi public figure on campus because I was the head 228 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 3: of the opinion page at the Yale Daily News, so 229 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 3: I was fielding all the op eds related to this controversy. 230 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 3: I am writing some of my own stuff. I this 231 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 3: experience certainly pushed me somewhat to the right. I come 232 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 3: into college a pretty moderate democrat. It was like, a 233 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 3: Holy crap, these people are insane and they're going to 234 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 3: rule us in five years. I don't like them to 235 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 3: fifteen years. These are the next those of the EPA 236 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 3: and the Justice Department. 237 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 2: Holy crap. 238 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 3: And you know, but also you know, these are this 239 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 3: is the future of academia. These are the people who 240 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 3: are going to be making hiring decisions. And these are 241 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 3: the sorts of people students I would have to teach, 242 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 3: and potentially the sorts of colleagues I would have to 243 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 3: deal with. If I wanted to just you know, write 244 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 3: about abstract problems and metaphysics or moral philosophy. Right, it 245 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 3: was like, you know, forget it, Like that's that. If 246 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 3: I could just write my stuff in peace and have 247 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 3: fun philosophy debates with students every day, that'd be great. 248 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 3: But if I actually were to have try to have 249 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 3: fun philosophy debates with students, I'd get canceled for a 250 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 3: politically incorrect thought experiment within two weeks. 251 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: So that's right. 252 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 2: I can't do that, right. 253 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: My my teenage daughter likes to quote this comedian who 254 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: had a joke like, oh, you're getting a philosophy degree? 255 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: Is that to go work at the new philosophy factory 256 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: that opened in town? You know, so you had you 257 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: had you had a vision for how it would go, 258 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: and maybe outside the philosophy factory, but still it's interesting 259 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: that you saw that coming and then you ended up 260 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: being somebody that writes about it. And you know, I 261 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: think about those early days that before times of when 262 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: insanity was really just on campuses and we didn't think 263 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: it was going to jump off campus, but then it did. 264 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: And I think that that's, you know, a tough spot 265 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: that we ended up in. Would you like if you 266 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: had to do it over again, like, would you send 267 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: your kids to Yale? Would you go to Yale again? 268 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:21,119 Speaker 1: It was it? 269 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I experience anyway. 270 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 3: No, I would definitely go to Yale again because it 271 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 3: helped shape me into who I am. And the being 272 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 3: kind of constantly embattled for four years was I think 273 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 3: ultimately a good experience. 274 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: Money even though you started as a moderate Democrat, you 275 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: feel like you were in battled for four years. Like, 276 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: that's that's tough. Imagine being a conservative from the start, 277 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: you know. 278 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I honestly still I don't really like labels. 279 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 3: I don't mean functionally on the center right and spot. 280 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 3: So if people call me a conservative, that's fine, But 281 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 3: I don't really have strong views on some people who 282 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 3: become kind of partisans of these debates about what the 283 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 3: true essence of conservatism is because they feel very invested 284 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 3: in being a conservative. I don't really feel that way. 285 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 3: I tend to look at things more on a case 286 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 3: by case basis and just say I have certain commitments 287 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 3: and principles that, as a contingent sociological matter put me 288 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 3: on the center right in twenty twenty five. 289 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: But that could change. 290 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 3: But yes, that could easily change, right, I think, if 291 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 3: you know, I could easily have been like a Bill 292 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 3: Clinton Democrat. 293 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 2: But that's just interesting. 294 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: I do feel kind of committed to my conservative You're right, 295 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: but I like, I don't feel committed to the Republican Party. 296 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 2: For example. 297 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: I feel yeah to my conservative principles, and I realized 298 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: that that could be anything, you know, that that can 299 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: move me anywhere in the future. 300 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 3: I mean, I think I have certain philosophical commitments that 301 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 3: probably are more traditionally conservative. I probably have others that 302 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 3: are more traditionally liberal or just or or just would 303 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 3: better be characterized as some kind of other tradition that's 304 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 3: totally orthogonal to liberal first conservative. But I would definitely 305 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 3: say ditto on not being a committed member of the 306 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 3: Republican Party. You know, there's plenty of things they do 307 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 3: that I think are crazy and stupid. So I'm not 308 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 3: you know, I'm not someone who's gonna make it my 309 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 3: professional job to defend everything that. 310 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 2: Bear does. 311 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, We're going to take a quick break and 312 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: be right back on the Carol Markcoid Show. What do 313 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: you worry about? 314 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 3: Well, you ask about you're asking me about my politics, 315 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 3: and I just said, I'm not a committed Republican. One 316 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 3: of the reasons I'm not maybe a committed partisan Republican 317 00:17:54,240 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 3: is that I think there is the potential for the 318 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 3: current crapdown on campuses in the name of protecting Jewish 319 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 3: students to really backfire and end up just kind of 320 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 3: reinforcing the worst parts of the civil rights apparatus that 321 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 3: helped lead to campus censorship and CI in the first place. 322 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 3: So I part ways with some of my conservative friends 323 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 3: and colleagues in that I obviously think that the you know, 324 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 3: Prohamas kids are crazy and most of what's happened at 325 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 3: Columbia is disgraceful, and I'm all for cutting the federal 326 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 3: funding of a lot of these institutions that just repeatedly 327 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 3: show that they were unwilling to maintain order on campus. 328 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 3: But the more important thing is that they've just completely 329 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 3: strayed from the purposes for which they were given tax 330 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 3: exempts to us in the first place. Right, and clearly 331 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 3: no longer respect academic freedom or anti discrimination law or 332 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 3: any number of other important values intellectual diversity, et cetera. 333 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 3: And that, to me is the main reason why they 334 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 3: can't be trusted to reform themselves. In some kind of 335 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 3: external government interventioned is necessary. So, you know, I'm kind 336 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 3: of supportive of the broader adversarial posture that the Republican 337 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 3: Party has taken towards the universities. But what I'm not 338 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:29,959 Speaker 3: supportive of is a that they've justified that posture almost 339 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 3: not entirely, but almost exclusively in terms of protecting Jewish students. 340 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 3: And b I'm not supportive of this idea that Jewish 341 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 3: students are at imminent risk of physical harm and say 342 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 3: therefore therefore students who organize the encampment should not merely 343 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 3: be expelled, but actually if their green card revoked without 344 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 3: due process and deported. 345 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 2: You know, I think maybe there is a case for 346 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 2: doing it. 347 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 3: But but I but I'm I'm a bit concerned that 348 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 3: it's being done in a very haphazard way, that that 349 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 3: that could set some bad precedents. And moreover, right, I 350 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 3: don't love this phenomenon of say Jewish students creating lists 351 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 3: of people, or Jewish activist groups creating lists of activists 352 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 3: who they would. 353 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 2: Like to be deported. I just think that is sent 354 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 2: that is. 355 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 3: Creating a kind of culture, a snitch like culture, that 356 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 3: is not good for free speech, whatever the merits, you know, 357 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 3: in a particular case. And moreover, I don't think it's 358 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 3: ultimately good for Jewish students themselves to live in this 359 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 3: state of constant fear and to see themselves as obligated to, 360 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 3: you know, kind of go to war with woke activists 361 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 3: who they don't like over the Israeli Palestinian conflict. I 362 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 3: just think that's fundamentally not why you go to college, sure, 363 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 3: you know, to be an activist. And I and I 364 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 3: really strongly reject the notion that people are made unsafe 365 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 3: by deeply offensive speech. 366 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: Well, so it's interesting because I disagree with you on 367 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: a few things there, but I like that you have, 368 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: you know, a perspective of this, even though you're, like, 369 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: you know, pretty deeply into covering them and not in 370 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: a positive light obviously, But like, I think that there 371 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: are boundaries of free speech that these activists are way overstepping. 372 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 2: Oh, I agree with that, to be clear, well. 373 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: And there is violence violence against Jews in New York 374 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: is New York is number one for violence against Jews. 375 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: Brooklyn specifically is top of the list. But you know, 376 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: I almost feel like the thing here is that these 377 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: leftist activists have made us play by these ridiculous rules, 378 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: and now they're being caught up in their own rules, 379 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: and I kind of want to see where it goes. 380 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of sympathy for them. Also, 381 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 1: one one more thing about the Green cards is when 382 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: you're here on a Green card, you have to live 383 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: up to certain rules of the Green card. And they, 384 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: as far as I understand, they're literally saying you, you 385 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: you spurred violence. For example, it wasn't just about your speech, 386 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: it was you You did not allow Jewish kids to 387 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: go to class, you did not allow them to go 388 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:45,239 Speaker 1: to the library. You had just altercations on campus that 389 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: went beyond speech. And they're saying that that violates the 390 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: rules of the Green card. But again, I get what 391 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: you're saying. I don't think that Jews should live in 392 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: a perpetual, fearful state. Of course, it's a lot harder 393 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: for them to have to live in that state when 394 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: they're incapable of protecting themselves. They don't have Second Amendment 395 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: rights in New York City largely, and the school won't 396 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: do anything to step in and help them. 397 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 3: Sure, I mean I should clarify, you know, it may 398 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 3: well turn out that the sky did violate the terms 399 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 3: of his screen card, and in that case, sure, if 400 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 3: you should be deported. My concern is that I don't 401 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 3: know if it this is being done in a procedurally 402 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 3: valid way. I also will freely admit that I don't 403 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 3: know the law on this very well. This is just 404 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 3: based on things I've read. And then the other thing 405 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 3: I would say, though, is like, yeah, so I agree 406 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 3: there's a distinction between speech and violence, and you should 407 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 3: obviously have been expelled for taking over Hamilton Hall, right Like, 408 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 3: all of that is totally that's not free speech. 409 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 2: You know. My other concern about how. 410 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 3: They're going about it is you want to be careful 411 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 3: not to make martyrs out of people when you don't 412 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 3: have to. 413 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: Your backlash point is a very good one. 414 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 3: And I worry that this particular guy might not be 415 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 3: the best target for various reasons. You know, I would 416 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 3: also say too that that although there obviously is violent 417 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 3: hate crime against Jews in New York City. That's not 418 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 3: coming mainly from Columbia students. That's coming from, in many cases, 419 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 3: just kind of deranged psychopaths that the city's sort of 420 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 3: jailbreak liberalist regime has allowed to run free. Really, I mean, 421 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 3: there's an easy solution there, which is just if you 422 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 3: have lots of criminal convictions and prior arrest, you just 423 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 3: shouldn't be allowed on. 424 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: It's like, it's like a really good idea that one. 425 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 3: Right, Like, like deporting all the foreign kids at Columbia 426 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 3: who protested or broke the rules will not materially make 427 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 3: most the average Jew on the streets of New York saper. 428 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 3: What would make them safer is if you just put 429 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 3: a lot more cops out there and say, yeah, yeah, 430 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 3: if you're a crazy psychopath, you don't get to walk 431 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 3: around on the street. 432 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 1: Forcing the rules overall, I think would be a step 433 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: in the right direction. Yeah, what advice would you give 434 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: your sixteen year old self? 435 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 2: Two pieces of advice. 436 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 3: One would be I was like a really awkward kid 437 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 3: in high school who frankly didn't even have very much 438 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 3: interest in dating as a high schooler. I'd probably go 439 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 3: back in time and say, you know, just like go 440 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 3: on a few dates to just like get the hang 441 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 3: of it, because it's college is not a good time 442 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,719 Speaker 3: for that to be your first experience dating, nor for 443 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 3: that matter, really is after college. It's it's better if 444 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 3: you have a little experience with this in high school. 445 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 3: So that's probably what I would say. 446 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: My third writer is on his like sixth girlfriends. 447 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 2: So well, he's he's getting started early. That's that's good 448 00:25:58,760 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 2: to hear. 449 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 3: And then I think the other piece of advice is 450 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 3: I was always a really serious student who wanted to 451 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,479 Speaker 3: get straight a's and worried about every little you know, 452 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 3: any point off of an assignment risk, No, no, you know, 453 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 3: nothing less than one hundred percent. It's an okay attitude 454 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 3: to have in high school. If you're trying to get 455 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 3: into a good college, I would say, once you get 456 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 3: to college, gratitude, Yeah, that attitude is important to maintain 457 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 3: if you think you might want a job that requires 458 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 3: you to get into a really good law school or 459 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 3: get really good grades. It's frankly not very important to 460 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 3: maintain if you're going to go into the field that 461 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 3: I ended up going into. It doesn't mean it doesn't help, 462 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 3: Like I think if you take classes seriously and learn, you. 463 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 2: Know you will. 464 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: Nobody's ever asked us for our transcript. 465 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 3: You'll be in a better place if you were a 466 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 3: somewhat serious student. But if you like take tough classes 467 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 3: that are curved in STEM and you get like a 468 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 3: C or B, I mean, no one in journalism will 469 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 3: care about that. And if you take you know, even 470 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 3: if you kind of goof off in one semester and 471 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 3: you don't do as well on your papers and like, yeah, 472 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 3: it's just not going to matter as long as you 473 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 3: have good clippings and show that you're a decent writer 474 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 3: who can work relatively hard, and you know, to be honest, right, 475 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 3: you don't need to be a serious philosopher to be 476 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 3: a journalist, like right, I mean it can it can 477 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 3: maybe help indirectly, but it's not it's really not a 478 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 3: requirement of the job. 479 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 2: So I there are. 480 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: Very few requirements of this job. 481 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, And so I would probably tell my 482 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 3: sixteen to maybe twenty two year old self, you know, 483 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 3: just you don't need to you don't need to be 484 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 3: as hung up about GPA. It's really not going to 485 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 3: matter for you in the light. 486 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: Probably true for a lot of kids. Well, I've loved 487 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: this conversation. This has been really interesting. End us here 488 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: with your best tip for my listeners on how they 489 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: can improve their lives. 490 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 3: I mean I kind of hesitate to offer any advice 491 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,719 Speaker 3: on this because I'm like a single twenty nine year 492 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 3: old guy. 493 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 2: I don't really time to get married. 494 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: Let's go, Aaron, Well. 495 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 2: I don't. 496 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if I have any great advice. 497 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 3: I guess I would say build in space to your 498 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 3: schedule to read. I think it can be very easy 499 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 3: to let the demands of work and the day to 500 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 3: day overtake you, and then you get home and you 501 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 3: just want to veg in front of the TV. I mean, 502 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 3: I do this, but it's it's important that you kind 503 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 3: of force yourself to carve out space to read and 504 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 3: have some kind of I think quasi kind of intellectual pursuit, 505 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 3: or at least I have found that I feel like 506 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 3: my life is more meaningful and better when I do, 507 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 3: even though it's hard, and I've been trying to do 508 00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 3: it more regularly. 509 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: Reading is as a popular one. You might be surprised, 510 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: but it is a popular answer to that question. 511 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for. 512 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: Coming on Aaron He is Aaron Sabariam. Check him out 513 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: at Washington Free Weekend. Thanks again, thank you, thanks so 514 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: much for joining us on the Carol Marko Witz Show. 515 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.