WEBVTT - Back That Vax Up 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:05.080 You're listening to your waiting on reparations the production of 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:12.920 I Heart Radio. Yeah, yeah, all I gotta stress, baby, 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:16.320 I can't even find all I really got is reparations 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.240 on my mind. I've been sitting waiting. Now I'm looking 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:21.840 at the time. I don't want it. All. I'm just 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:24.880 trying to get with my All I got is stress, baby, 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:27.560 I can't even find all I got is all these 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:30.920 reparations on my mind. I've been fucking waiting. Now I'm 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:33.680 looking at the time. I don't want it all. I'm 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:36.040 just trying to get with my Yeo, hey yo, I 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:38.760 spill what I have to say. Still gonna cross the 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:41.600 name style so ill that you will get your back 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:46.280 today drowning the trenches. You sound so ridiculous, act disturbed 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:48.919 like you're down with the sickness, and I fucking get up. 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:51.120 They just want clicks to make a quick buck. They'll 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:53.880 post on Facebook talking about they want to shipped up 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:57.080 you fucking microchips. Yeah yeah, that's my cycle ship that 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.120 I don't like a bit. They read memes and never 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:01.720 recite a quick They're gonna mess around in this COVID 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.800 ship going ignite again. A swamp certified to beating us 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:08.560 just like I'm psycho lest Stope Knife, homie, you might 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:17.839 guess what's up? What's going on? My name is Dope Knife. 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:25.200 We are waiting on reparations. So what is what is 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:28.600 going on in the world? I mean, obviously fucking white 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:32.840 men are killing everyone again? Are we did they find 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:36.880 they find the person who did the Colorado That one 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:40.760 white guy killed a bunch of Asian people and other 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:43.120 people in Atlanta? And I actually do not know the 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:48.280 details of the shooting that happened on Monday me neither 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:51.600 the one in Colorado. Yeah, I haven't. I haven't heard 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:55.520 too much about the suspect or or anything. It's it's 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:58.200 really fucked up that whenever the ship happens, we're kind 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:02.480 of waiting to hear what the suspect was before we 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:06.360 formulate what our opinion of the whole thing is. Right, 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:08.799 It's like, what, like what pattern does it fit into? 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:13.120 Does it fit into the lone wolf? Uh? You know 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:18.280 an evangelical Christian who with mental health problems who had 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:20.360 a bad day? Or is it like some scary brown 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:24.760 person for whom we should then then close the borders 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:29.440 and the band Islam or you know whatever, Like depending 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:33.040 on whose narrative, Like both sides, you know, of the 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:35.320 left and right are waiting for it to confirm the 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:40.079 pattern that that furthers their agenda. I feel. So we 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:42.519 had it was ten people that were killed at the 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:48.480 Colorado grocery store. Um, I mean, you know, it's again 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.200 just going back to what you were just saying. It's 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:55.120 like depending on what the what the details of the 0:02:55.200 --> 0:03:00.960 suspect are. It's like, depending on your political your plitical persuasion, 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:03.560 you have an opinion of the whole incident. But at 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:06.720 the end of the day, it's fucking that's eighteen people 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:10.720 in like a week. Yeah, just gone over some stupid 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:12.960 ship in the common denominator. At the end of the day, 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:16.400 regardless of what the motivation is, is like, you know, 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:20.120 there's more guns than people in the country. Yeah. And 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:22.480 you know, something that I wanted to talk on this 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.120 topic about briefly before we get into the meetup today's 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:31.480 episode is um pushback from the left about the rights 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:37.320 uh quick seizure of the narrative of mental illness and 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:41.360 the importance of mental health in scenarios like these, and 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.600 folks saying that, oh, you know, to to claim that 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:46.920 these are you know, these are that mental health is 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:50.320 to blame and not gun control. Fur their stigmatized as 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:54.560 mental health. But I kind of like, like, as I 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:58.240 come to understand mental health care is also like behavioral health, 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:00.560 like are you doing are you you like, do you 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:03.840 have healthy coping mechanisms? Are you doing healthy behaviors? Are 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:06.320 you doing health behaviors that hurt you and other people? 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:10.600 And whine and like you know, health they like connecting 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:15.880 people to health care that supports them in in like 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:19.080 healthy behaviors as a part of the of the mental 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:24.640 health um uh picture. I like, I don't really have 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:26.760 a problem with as much of anything. I think that 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:32.120 like we need to just digmatize mental health and and 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:36.799 behavioral health and think more like holistically about the ways 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:42.480 this influences crime and and myriad um instances. Um you know, 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:46.560 like if somebody's stealing slim gems from seven eleven, like 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.440 they ain't acting right and maybe there's some systemic and 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:53.039 environmental factors like maybe they're hungry, maybe they're just acting 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:58.400 a fool, and like connecting someone with mentorship or a 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:02.240 doctor or who ever to talk through like you know, 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:05.080 why are you doing? Function? Can prevent all kinds of 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.040 crime from happening. I believe as a part of like, 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:10.080 you know, an abolitionist framework of how we stop these 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:13.520 things from happening. And I wanted to get your take 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:17.960 on on like the whole like the seizure of like 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:21.920 the mental health angle for explaining why this happens, and 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:24.760 like how you feel about it. Yeah, no, I I 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.560 really don't like it, honestly. I mean, it's weird because 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:30.920 I agree with everything you just said, but at the 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:33.040 same time, I think I'm about to contradict that you 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:37.640 let me know. But um, I don't understand why there's 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:43.200 a rush to associate somebody's willingness or ability to kill 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:47.240 another person with mental illness. Like I think I think 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:51.360 somebody can be completely sound of mind and take a life. Okay, yeah, 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:54.000 I would disagree, but like, respectfully, like I feel that 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.200 I understand. I feel like, if you want to take 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:58.360 a life, you ain't right man, like, and I'm not 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.440 and I'm not just say that. And I want to 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:03.119 make clear that I am separating this from like people 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.760 who might say, like, oh, racism is mental illness or 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.840 something like that. Like, I mean, I think there's a 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:11.799 lot of education to be done that is in line 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:15.440 with other preventative practices, akin to access to mental health 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:17.719 care that helped I guess in a sense, d program 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:23.360 folks from racist, misogynistic, otherwise hateful um ideologies that then 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:26.040 drive this violence. But at the same time, I feel 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:27.799 like if you could, if you can look at another 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:31.840 person to just take their life, like without coercion, not 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:35.800 like you're in the military or something. I mean, in 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:41.120 in the overwhelming majority of circumstances, I would definitely agree. 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.520 But I just like you said, I mean, people jump 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:48.400 on it so quickly that for me personally, I feel 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.320 hesitant to just immediately jump into that because like if 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:56.080 I don't know, if if somebody has like some fully 0:06:56.360 --> 0:07:00.240 written thought out manifesto before they do some horrible act, 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:02.400 I don't know, I'm not quick to say that, oh, 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:08.640 that person is mentally disturbed because like they had a plan. Yeah, 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:12.520 I understand. I guess perhaps the way another way to 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:15.920 look at it, it's like therapy is a form of education, 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:19.160 and like counseling and the form of education, it's teaches 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:21.040 you about yourself, teaches you how to deal with the world, 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:25.840 and so like educate, like people also self educate through 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:29.680 YouTube videos about why should hit Jews or like as 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:33.400 we're talking about today, like why vaccines aren't real and 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:37.040 so like underpinning a lot of this violence is like 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:41.760 bad bad things people learn, they learn to hate, they 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:44.920 learn to hate people, They learn to hate you know, 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:50.800 women or Asian women or Asian people or or people, 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:55.080 and um that can be unlearned as well. And yeah, 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:58.080 and so like I think this is a longer you know, uh, 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:00.600 the conversation for a different day. We can delve into 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.040 a more topic that are more and more in depth, 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:05.840 and like I'd love to you know, if anyone listening 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:09.200 has readings to recommend around either side of this issue, 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:11.800 I would love to read them to become more informed. 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:15.080 But just like my feeling is that yeah, like you 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.280 ain't like yeah, pretty much you ain't right if you 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:19.960 shave be able to take about people's lives without coercion, 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:25.480 um and either like d programming of some sort, be 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:28.680 it like you need to learn some different ship or 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:32.719 you're you have unhealthy coping mechanisms that could be classified 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:37.080 as a mental disorder that you need like medical help 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:42.880 with on learning. Like ultimately that is probably I wouldn't 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:44.880 say a quicker way to stop this from happening, but 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:49.640 like maybe more realistic than taking your abode guns away. Well, 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:54.559 I mean, look, you know, I'm not advocating taking anybody 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:57.880 guns guns away. I don't think anybody who is like 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:01.240 an advocate of gun control. It's actually now in a 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:04.960 post Trump era, even like the most fucking milk toast 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.880 isn't that hyperbolic. No one is advocated or taking people's 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:11.559 guns away. All I'm saying is this, and this is 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:13.559 just some I mean, just keeping a reel with you, 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:17.480 Like it should be harder to get a gun than 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:22.400 a PlayStation, y'all, And it's not. You can get a gun. 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.000 You can get a gun and go kill eight people 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:27.439 in the same day. You can't register to vote and 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:31.280 vote exactly. Like, Yo, this ship is just all it's 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.760 all backwards. It's completely backwards. I agree. But yeah, let's 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:37.600 get let's get into the what we're gonna or at 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.120 leasta serve them up. What we got going on today. 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:43.800 This is the second to last episode of season one 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:46.880 of the Waiting on Reparations podcasts, and we got a 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:51.000 good one for you today. So, the early indications are 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:55.400 that the Biden administration is comming along with their vaccination program. 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:58.400 So far they've got a hundred and twenty seven million 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:00.840 people have been given at least a ghosts and over 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:04.600 forty million people have been fully vaccinated with the two doses, 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:07.199 and you know they'll be good to go and some 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:11.240 weeks and months um. And this also included close to 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:14.920 three million people getting a shot in a one day 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.240 earlier this month, so you know it's it's it's moving 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:21.440 along at a quick pace. Earlier this week, the Georgia 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.959 Governor Brian Kemp announced that everyone under the age or 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:27.480 everyone over the age of sixteen will be eligible to 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:31.240 get their jabs starting today, so Thursday, when you guys 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:34.839 are listening to this. The US has ordered, optioned, or 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:38.160 procured enough doses to immunize every single member of the 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:42.280 population more than five times over, and all adults will 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:46.440 be eligible for a shot by May one. By invoking 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:50.040 the Korean War era Defense Production Act, Biden and Men's 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:53.960 have forced the important Johnson and Johnson subcontractor into round 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.880 the clock operations, so it's a variety of the vacs 0:10:56.960 --> 0:11:00.280 got boasted faster. However, with all that, the scenari area 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:04.440 has further inflamed vaccine debate, perhaps this time more passionate 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.520 than it's been in the modern times. So today we're 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:09.920 going to dig into that debate ourselves. Why do people 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:13.840 feared vaccines, how do people why do people support vaccines? 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:16.640 How prevalent is either sentiment in the black community, and 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.199 how has this polarizing the subject been dealt with in 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:21.439 the world of hip hop. We got all that and 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:29.960 more coming up after the jump. So we've seen how 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:31.959 COVID has had the power to freeze the world in 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:35.079 abstracts as of now, killing about two point seven three 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:39.400 million people worldwide. One thing about smallpox. It was a 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.800 disease that existed for three thousand years and was estimated 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:46.680 to have killed three million people in the nine hundreds 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:50.280 alone and have at death rate in people who got it. 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:54.160 It was truly discourage of people's entire lives for generations 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:58.080 and generations, which is wild to me because I feel 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:01.040 like we have no collective generational men marine for fear 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.400 of the scenario. Like I really just feel like people 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:08.079 don't understand how like before vaccines infectious to tea just 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:13.280 like walked your shoot up and as a community disrupting 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:18.839 the economy just like devastated, devastated populations. You know, when 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:22.040 people here are like talking about like, oh, how age 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:26.000 expectancy has gone out, you know with times, so it's like, oh, 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:27.760 back in the day, people used to live to be 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:30.760 like thirty and ship like that. That's not like it's 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.079 not like motherfucker's just got to be like thirty. And 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.199 then it was like, oh, my heart's going out. It 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:40.400 was disease was lifted off by pterodactyls and Yo had 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:42.600 smallpox and ship. And the thing I wonder is if 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.120 people's treatment of COVID would be different if it killed 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:48.840 one third of the infected today, or if Maga chads 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:50.959 and Wall Street folks would just shrog and insists we 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.959 reopened chilis. I think it's just a matter of how 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:58.680 scary it was. I don't think COVID was scary enough 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:02.520 to produce this efficient fear to not get people to 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:05.360 do stupid ship. It was for a while, like the 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:08.920 first two months to three months of COVID, like when 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:11.120 we thought it was gonna be like that movie Contagion 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:15.079 for real, for real. Yeah, everybody was scared. Everybody was 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:19.199 doing whatever the fuck, you know, medical professionals were suggesting, 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.600 and then as it was like, Okay, it's not going 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:26.960 to be that bad, that's when the dumb ship started. 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:29.079 I think, Yeah, I feel like there was a small 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:34.040 contingent who, like you know, who cloned to the former 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:39.880 president's words like its gargols balls so deeply that they 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:41.280 were like, oh, he says it's not gonna be a 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.560 big deal. You know, they were doing rallies like reopened, reopen. 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:48.280 You know, it's state capitals, guns and ships. We also 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:53.319 can't forget that, like almost it was like literally the 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:57.120 day that it was announced, Hey, this COVID ship is 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:02.600 affecting Latino and black people disproportion in Italy, like instantly, Oh, 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.720 we're good, we don't we don't need mass We're fine, Yeah, 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:09.400 this is not that big deal. Back to smallpox. So 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.240 smallpox was the first vaccine to be developed against a 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:16.679 contagious disease after the British doctor Edward Jenner's experiments with 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.880 cowpox material showed a way to immunity against the deadly 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:26.360 smallpox virus in seventeen As with all of history, there 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:28.760 can tend to be a bi slant towards the white dude, 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:31.920 but there are actually you know a few accounts of 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:35.880 the smallpox inoculations in the fifteen hundreds, and this was 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.920 practiced in Africa, China, and India since they started doing 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.800 mass vaccinations of small packs back in the early eighteen hundreds. 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:46.680 It was met with opposition for various reasons ranging from sanitary, religious, scientific, 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.960 or political. According to very well health dot com, describing 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:53.680 the discourse around vaccines at the time, pronoculators tended to 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:56.080 write in the cool and factual tones encouraged by the 0:14:56.160 --> 0:15:00.800 royal society, with frequent appeals to reason, modern aggressive science, 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:04.800 and the courtesy subsisting among gentlemen. Anti inoculators purposely wrote 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:07.800 like demagogues, using heated tones and lowered scare stories to 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:14.240 promote paranoia and the process of the smallpox vaccine itself 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:20.360 too was I mean, would involved was scoring flesh on 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:23.840 a child's arm and then inserting the lymph from a 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:26.720 blister of a person who had gotten the vaccine a 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:31.000 week earlier. So you know, you hear or maybe you 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:34.080 see that ship, and naturally, as you know, parents aren't 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.120 really going to be like, oh that's dope, I can't 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.080 wait to do that ship. You know, back in the 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:41.000 eight hundreds and ships, and this to me, I think 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:46.720 echoes today in my own at least, uh sense of 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.400 vaccine hasidency. I have my own reasons for like I'm 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:52.280 gonna wait a little bit, but um, I am gonna 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:55.120 get the jab at at some point. But as with 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:59.040 the smallpoxes, smallpox vaccines kind of ekey procedure. When I 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:00.960 hear about the side effect the cup of job, it 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.320 does make me feel kind of like, oh, like I 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:05.760 gotta pick a good day and ago just kidd get sick. 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:08.320 Some people have like weakness in an arm or like 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:10.120 they're just laid out for a day, which does make 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:12.560 a little bit harder. Like I had a friend who 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:14.840 was like shopping in a Kroger and they announced over 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.320 the speaker that they had left everdoses that anyone could 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.080 come in, come get in line and get the job. 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:21.560 And she just like walked over to the pharmacy and 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:24.240 just got one randomly. And I feel like I couldn't 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:27.000 do it so nonchalantly, to be honest, But I feel 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:31.760 like this this um, this reaction, this public reaction to 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:34.960 like what the vaccine can do to you, like in 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:36.760 the like in the very real terms, like you know, 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:39.760 knowing what the procedure was for getting smallpox at the 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.520 time in the eighteen hundreds, or like hearing what the 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:46.160 side effects are today. It makes me think of the 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:50.320 recent controversy over am I coming out as anti vaccine. 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:52.400 I think she tweeted out, if I had to choose 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.320 the vaccine or chip, I'm going to choose death um 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:59.640 And in response to Twitter backlash, she explained in America 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:02.400 then to be vaccinate my child before the school, before 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:04.560 the school admission. It was the hardest thing to not 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:06.959 have that choice over this as a mother. I never 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:09.080 want to feel that again. He was so sick for 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.480 three weeks then docs had to pump up with antibiotics 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.560 to reduce the fever from the three vaccines. So like 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.879 seeing like real side effects that vaccines do you have, 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:21.119 turning people off to their usage, I think is like 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.680 a real source of vaccine hesitancy that we can't just 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:26.520 brush off. It was like, oh, paranoia or you know, 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:29.760 I guess you can't appeal to reason, like the larger 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.920 purpose of you know, well, it's better you're sick for 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:35.000 a couple of like for a day, and then you're 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:37.480 fucking dead, right and your families to burrow you with 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.000 the money they don't have because four doesn't pay for 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:44.399 ship um, like you know, I mean, I guess my 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:48.399 thing is like I don't. I don't hold it against 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:53.040 anybody for being scared of the notion of vat vaccines 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:57.040 and vaccinations. I mean I have like queasiness and worries 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:59.920 and fears and the same thoughts that any of the 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.960 those people have to For me. Where it gets over 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:06.800 the pale is when in order to rationalize that, you 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:10.320 start coming up with like stupid ship like microchips in 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:13.560 you know what I mean, Like if just be scared, 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.200 even if like yo, I don't trust doctors or I 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:19.840 don't trust modern medicine or whatever, like, even that to 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.680 me is a whether I agree with it or not, 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:26.480 it's a it's an argument that is like based it's 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:30.440 you know, some reasoning I can understand, you know, I 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:34.920 just don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I think 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:40.680 there's tangible things to be worried about that you don't 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:43.440 have to stretch. Yeah, I was curious. So when we 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:47.960 when we hear this description of during the smallpox era, 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:51.600 of the types of red rick used by pro inoculators 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:56.160 versus anti inoculators. Um, how how have you seen folks 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:58.880 on both sides communicate their perspectives? I feel I feel 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:03.479 like impressionistically, I have seen somewhat of the same pattern 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.280 of like actually a lot of people just like spitting 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:08.440 facts if they're like I'm gonna go get the vaccine 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:11.040 and this is the data on whye and like, you know, 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:13.440 appeals to reason about you know, the good of man 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:20.200 kind versus like yeah, yeah, kind of like just you know, 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:26.240 demagoguery like scare stories or really more so than that, 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:29.479 just like dumbass ship that I kind of can't tell 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:31.159 what people are joking, Like when I see people like 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:33.240 posting about like yeah I ain't getting the micro chip, 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.000 like I have. My initial reaction I was like, oh, 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:38.960 this nik playing around. It's funny, like, you know, laughing 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:41.879 at whatever. Somebody has to write l O L at 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:46.920 the end of some ship like that in yeah, you 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:48.680 gotta write l O L at the end of that 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:53.240 for me to be like all right, you know, otherwise 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:58.199 I'm just gonna just gonna assume because people believe all 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:01.280 type of ship. Now, the of courts that I've seen 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:05.440 is like I don't want to say surprising, but just 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:11.480 like I think personally, I feel like I've encountered more 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:16.440 people that are hesitant to get the vaccine at least 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:20.000 this early. And these are like people who wear their 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:22.119 masks all the time and do all the things, you 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:24.440 know what I'm saying, and that's how they feel, and 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:27.000 I was it kind of makes me want to ask you. 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:28.720 I hate to answer a question with a question, but 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:33.800 do you think that the vaccine would be coming out 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:40.400 this soon if people were more um, if people were 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:45.240 following COVID protocol more and longer, like if like, just 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:48.879 imagine if the whole political divide on the issue was 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:52.600 non existent and everybody was socially distancing and wearing the 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.840 masks and taking the whole taking it seriously, you know, 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:58.280 like a life or death issue. Do you think that 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:04.480 that would have kind of not made the immediate urgency 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:08.760 to like get the vaccine out at an unprecedented I 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:13.040 think that, Like, we are very greedy country. Even if 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:16.040 we had had like fucking six deaths this whole time, 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:20.240 we would have still bought up five times the amount 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:24.320 of vaccine we needed to inoculate the entire population, just 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:26.600 because we have the resources to do it. And like 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:30.400 we don't give a shit about anybody else. Honestly, that's 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:34.120 how I feel. I feel you on that, so, gentleman. Smallpox. 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:36.920 Once again. In that era, clergy thought that the vaccine 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:39.840 was Unchristian because it came from animals. Some believe it 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:43.720 would make you stick because it contained poisonous chemicals, namely 0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:47.440 carbolic acid. Though sound in the vaccine, just like now, 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:50.160 there was a general distrust in medicine and people weren't 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:53.240 totally sold on generous ideas and methods. A section of 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:57.000 people believe smallpox had something to do with atmosphere, but mainly, 0:21:57.160 --> 0:21:59.639 and this will sounds familiar, they felt that it was 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:03.960 by halting their personal liberty. It's like today. Government mandates 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:07.160 and rolledouts only hated up the tension. The Vaccination app 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:11.479 ordered mandatory vaccination for entrance up to three months, all 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:14.520 which would have Piste m I a off a great deal. 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:20.600 The the Anti Vaccination Society of America started in eighteen 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:26.560 seventy nine, and then the New England Anti Compulsory Vaccination 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:28.919 League of them Nigga's got a league at the end 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:32.639 of their ship, and also the Anti Vaccination League of 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:36.359 New York City came shortly after and they were launching 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:41.080 court battles. Um they were trying to get vaccination laws 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:46.720 repealed in several states, including California, Illinois, and Wisconsin. Playwright 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:52.760 George Bernard Shaw, who was an aderant proponent of how 0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:58.000 do you say that? Uh? Playwright George Bernard Shaw, who 0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:02.560 was an ardent proponent of homopathy and eugenics, was like 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:06.600 one of the main voices of the anti vaxx movement 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:09.359 during the time, did not know that. As more and 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:12.680 more vaccines began to rapidly roll out. Um as the 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:17.400 nineteen hundreds went on, whooping cough in polio means its 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:21.200 three months in ninety sixty seven and rubella in nineteen one, 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:27.439 the anti vaccination movement scaled up as well. So can 0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:29.119 you hear the cat in the background? Do I need 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:32.560 to throw him in the closet or something? So? Per 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:36.520 the history of vaccines, at or anti vaccination positions and 0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:39.920 vaccination controversies are not limited to the past and the 0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:44.400 Midnight seventies. International controversy over the safety of the dip 0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:49.399 theory of tetanus and per TESSAs immunization erupted in Europe, Asia, 0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:53.760