1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: You're listening to your waiting on reparations the production of 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. Yeah, yeah, all I gotta stress, baby, 3 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: I can't even find all I really got is reparations 4 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: on my mind. I've been sitting waiting. Now I'm looking 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: at the time. I don't want it. All. I'm just 6 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: trying to get with my All I got is stress, baby, 7 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: I can't even find all I got is all these 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: reparations on my mind. I've been fucking waiting. Now I'm 9 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: looking at the time. I don't want it all. I'm 10 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: just trying to get with my Yeo, hey yo, I 11 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: spill what I have to say. Still gonna cross the 12 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: name style so ill that you will get your back 13 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: today drowning the trenches. You sound so ridiculous, act disturbed 14 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 1: like you're down with the sickness, and I fucking get up. 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: They just want clicks to make a quick buck. They'll 16 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: post on Facebook talking about they want to shipped up 17 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: you fucking microchips. Yeah yeah, that's my cycle ship that 18 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: I don't like a bit. They read memes and never 19 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: recite a quick They're gonna mess around in this COVID 20 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: ship going ignite again. A swamp certified to beating us 21 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: just like I'm psycho lest Stope Knife, homie, you might 22 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:17,839 Speaker 1: guess what's up? What's going on? My name is Dope Knife. 23 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: We are waiting on reparations. So what is what is 24 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: going on in the world? I mean, obviously fucking white 25 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: men are killing everyone again? Are we did they find 26 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: they find the person who did the Colorado That one 27 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: white guy killed a bunch of Asian people and other 28 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: people in Atlanta? And I actually do not know the 29 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: details of the shooting that happened on Monday me neither 30 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: the one in Colorado. Yeah, I haven't. I haven't heard 31 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: too much about the suspect or or anything. It's it's 32 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: really fucked up that whenever the ship happens, we're kind 33 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: of waiting to hear what the suspect was before we 34 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: formulate what our opinion of the whole thing is. Right, 35 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: It's like, what, like what pattern does it fit into? 36 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: Does it fit into the lone wolf? Uh? You know 37 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: an evangelical Christian who with mental health problems who had 38 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: a bad day? Or is it like some scary brown 39 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: person for whom we should then then close the borders 40 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: and the band Islam or you know whatever, Like depending 41 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: on whose narrative, Like both sides, you know, of the 42 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: left and right are waiting for it to confirm the 43 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: pattern that that furthers their agenda. I feel. So we 44 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: had it was ten people that were killed at the 45 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: Colorado grocery store. Um, I mean, you know, it's again 46 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: just going back to what you were just saying. It's 47 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: like depending on what the what the details of the 48 00:02:55,200 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: suspect are. It's like, depending on your political your plitical persuasion, 49 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: you have an opinion of the whole incident. But at 50 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's fucking that's eighteen people 51 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: in like a week. Yeah, just gone over some stupid 52 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: ship in the common denominator. At the end of the day, 53 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: regardless of what the motivation is, is like, you know, 54 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: there's more guns than people in the country. Yeah. And 55 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: you know, something that I wanted to talk on this 56 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: topic about briefly before we get into the meetup today's 57 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: episode is um pushback from the left about the rights 58 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: uh quick seizure of the narrative of mental illness and 59 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: the importance of mental health in scenarios like these, and 60 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: folks saying that, oh, you know, to to claim that 61 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: these are you know, these are that mental health is 62 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: to blame and not gun control. Fur their stigmatized as 63 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: mental health. But I kind of like, like, as I 64 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: come to understand mental health care is also like behavioral health, 65 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: like are you doing are you you like, do you 66 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: have healthy coping mechanisms? Are you doing healthy behaviors? Are 67 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: you doing health behaviors that hurt you and other people? 68 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: And whine and like you know, health they like connecting 69 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: people to health care that supports them in in like 70 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: healthy behaviors as a part of the of the mental 71 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: health um uh picture. I like, I don't really have 72 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: a problem with as much of anything. I think that 73 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: like we need to just digmatize mental health and and 74 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,799 Speaker 1: behavioral health and think more like holistically about the ways 75 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: this influences crime and and myriad um instances. Um you know, 76 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: like if somebody's stealing slim gems from seven eleven, like 77 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: they ain't acting right and maybe there's some systemic and 78 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: environmental factors like maybe they're hungry, maybe they're just acting 79 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: a fool, and like connecting someone with mentorship or a 80 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: doctor or who ever to talk through like you know, 81 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: why are you doing? Function? Can prevent all kinds of 82 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: crime from happening. I believe as a part of like, 83 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: you know, an abolitionist framework of how we stop these 84 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: things from happening. And I wanted to get your take 85 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: on on like the whole like the seizure of like 86 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: the mental health angle for explaining why this happens, and 87 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: like how you feel about it. Yeah, no, I I 88 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: really don't like it, honestly. I mean, it's weird because 89 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: I agree with everything you just said, but at the 90 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: same time, I think I'm about to contradict that you 91 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: let me know. But um, I don't understand why there's 92 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: a rush to associate somebody's willingness or ability to kill 93 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: another person with mental illness. Like I think I think 94 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: somebody can be completely sound of mind and take a life. Okay, yeah, 95 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: I would disagree, but like, respectfully, like I feel that 96 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: I understand. I feel like, if you want to take 97 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: a life, you ain't right man, like, and I'm not 98 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: and I'm not just say that. And I want to 99 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,119 Speaker 1: make clear that I am separating this from like people 100 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: who might say, like, oh, racism is mental illness or 101 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: something like that. Like, I mean, I think there's a 102 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 1: lot of education to be done that is in line 103 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: with other preventative practices, akin to access to mental health 104 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: care that helped I guess in a sense, d program 105 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: folks from racist, misogynistic, otherwise hateful um ideologies that then 106 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: drive this violence. But at the same time, I feel 107 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:27,799 Speaker 1: like if you could, if you can look at another 108 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: person to just take their life, like without coercion, not 109 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: like you're in the military or something. I mean, in 110 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: in the overwhelming majority of circumstances, I would definitely agree. 111 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: But I just like you said, I mean, people jump 112 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: on it so quickly that for me personally, I feel 113 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: hesitant to just immediately jump into that because like if 114 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, if if somebody has like some fully 115 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: written thought out manifesto before they do some horrible act, 116 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not quick to say that, oh, 117 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: that person is mentally disturbed because like they had a plan. Yeah, 118 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: I understand. I guess perhaps the way another way to 119 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: look at it, it's like therapy is a form of education, 120 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: and like counseling and the form of education, it's teaches 121 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: you about yourself, teaches you how to deal with the world, 122 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: and so like educate, like people also self educate through 123 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: YouTube videos about why should hit Jews or like as 124 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: we're talking about today, like why vaccines aren't real and 125 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: so like underpinning a lot of this violence is like 126 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: bad bad things people learn, they learn to hate, they 127 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: learn to hate people, They learn to hate you know, 128 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: women or Asian women or Asian people or or people, 129 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: and um that can be unlearned as well. And yeah, 130 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: and so like I think this is a longer you know, uh, 131 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: the conversation for a different day. We can delve into 132 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: a more topic that are more and more in depth, 133 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: and like I'd love to you know, if anyone listening 134 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: has readings to recommend around either side of this issue, 135 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: I would love to read them to become more informed. 136 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: But just like my feeling is that yeah, like you 137 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: ain't like yeah, pretty much you ain't right if you 138 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: shave be able to take about people's lives without coercion, 139 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: um and either like d programming of some sort, be 140 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: it like you need to learn some different ship or 141 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,719 Speaker 1: you're you have unhealthy coping mechanisms that could be classified 142 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: as a mental disorder that you need like medical help 143 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: with on learning. Like ultimately that is probably I wouldn't 144 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: say a quicker way to stop this from happening, but 145 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: like maybe more realistic than taking your abode guns away. Well, 146 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: I mean, look, you know, I'm not advocating taking anybody 147 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: guns guns away. I don't think anybody who is like 148 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: an advocate of gun control. It's actually now in a 149 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: post Trump era, even like the most fucking milk toast 150 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: isn't that hyperbolic. No one is advocated or taking people's 151 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 1: guns away. All I'm saying is this, and this is 152 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: just some I mean, just keeping a reel with you, 153 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: Like it should be harder to get a gun than 154 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: a PlayStation, y'all, And it's not. You can get a gun. 155 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: You can get a gun and go kill eight people 156 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: in the same day. You can't register to vote and 157 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: vote exactly. Like, Yo, this ship is just all it's 158 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: all backwards. It's completely backwards. I agree. But yeah, let's 159 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: get let's get into the what we're gonna or at 160 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: leasta serve them up. What we got going on today. 161 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: This is the second to last episode of season one 162 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: of the Waiting on Reparations podcasts, and we got a 163 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: good one for you today. So, the early indications are 164 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: that the Biden administration is comming along with their vaccination program. 165 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: So far they've got a hundred and twenty seven million 166 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: people have been given at least a ghosts and over 167 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: forty million people have been fully vaccinated with the two doses, 168 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 1: and you know they'll be good to go and some 169 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: weeks and months um. And this also included close to 170 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: three million people getting a shot in a one day 171 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: earlier this month, so you know it's it's it's moving 172 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: along at a quick pace. Earlier this week, the Georgia 173 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 1: Governor Brian Kemp announced that everyone under the age or 174 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: everyone over the age of sixteen will be eligible to 175 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: get their jabs starting today, so Thursday, when you guys 176 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: are listening to this. The US has ordered, optioned, or 177 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: procured enough doses to immunize every single member of the 178 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: population more than five times over, and all adults will 179 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: be eligible for a shot by May one. By invoking 180 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: the Korean War era Defense Production Act, Biden and Men's 181 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: have forced the important Johnson and Johnson subcontractor into round 182 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: the clock operations, so it's a variety of the vacs 183 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: got boasted faster. However, with all that, the scenari area 184 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: has further inflamed vaccine debate, perhaps this time more passionate 185 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: than it's been in the modern times. So today we're 186 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: going to dig into that debate ourselves. Why do people 187 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: feared vaccines, how do people why do people support vaccines? 188 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: How prevalent is either sentiment in the black community, and 189 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: how has this polarizing the subject been dealt with in 190 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 1: the world of hip hop. We got all that and 191 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: more coming up after the jump. So we've seen how 192 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 1: COVID has had the power to freeze the world in 193 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: abstracts as of now, killing about two point seven three 194 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: million people worldwide. One thing about smallpox. It was a 195 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: disease that existed for three thousand years and was estimated 196 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: to have killed three million people in the nine hundreds 197 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: alone and have at death rate in people who got it. 198 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: It was truly discourage of people's entire lives for generations 199 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: and generations, which is wild to me because I feel 200 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: like we have no collective generational men marine for fear 201 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: of the scenario. Like I really just feel like people 202 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: don't understand how like before vaccines infectious to tea just 203 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: like walked your shoot up and as a community disrupting 204 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 1: the economy just like devastated, devastated populations. You know, when 205 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: people here are like talking about like, oh, how age 206 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: expectancy has gone out, you know with times, so it's like, oh, 207 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: back in the day, people used to live to be 208 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: like thirty and ship like that. That's not like it's 209 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 1: not like motherfucker's just got to be like thirty. And 210 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 1: then it was like, oh, my heart's going out. It 211 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: was disease was lifted off by pterodactyls and Yo had 212 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: smallpox and ship. And the thing I wonder is if 213 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: people's treatment of COVID would be different if it killed 214 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: one third of the infected today, or if Maga chads 215 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 1: and Wall Street folks would just shrog and insists we 216 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 1: reopened chilis. I think it's just a matter of how 217 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: scary it was. I don't think COVID was scary enough 218 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: to produce this efficient fear to not get people to 219 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: do stupid ship. It was for a while, like the 220 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: first two months to three months of COVID, like when 221 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: we thought it was gonna be like that movie Contagion 222 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 1: for real, for real. Yeah, everybody was scared. Everybody was 223 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: doing whatever the fuck, you know, medical professionals were suggesting, 224 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: and then as it was like, Okay, it's not going 225 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: to be that bad, that's when the dumb ship started. 226 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I feel like there was a small 227 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: contingent who, like you know, who cloned to the former 228 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: president's words like its gargols balls so deeply that they 229 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: were like, oh, he says it's not gonna be a 230 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: big deal. You know, they were doing rallies like reopened, reopen. 231 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: You know, it's state capitals, guns and ships. We also 232 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: can't forget that, like almost it was like literally the 233 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: day that it was announced, Hey, this COVID ship is 234 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: affecting Latino and black people disproportion in Italy, like instantly, Oh, 235 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: we're good, we don't we don't need mass We're fine, Yeah, 236 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: this is not that big deal. Back to smallpox. So 237 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: smallpox was the first vaccine to be developed against a 238 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 1: contagious disease after the British doctor Edward Jenner's experiments with 239 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: cowpox material showed a way to immunity against the deadly 240 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: smallpox virus in seventeen As with all of history, there 241 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: can tend to be a bi slant towards the white dude, 242 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: but there are actually you know a few accounts of 243 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: the smallpox inoculations in the fifteen hundreds, and this was 244 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: practiced in Africa, China, and India since they started doing 245 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: mass vaccinations of small packs back in the early eighteen hundreds. 246 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: It was met with opposition for various reasons ranging from sanitary, religious, scientific, 247 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: or political. According to very well health dot com, describing 248 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: the discourse around vaccines at the time, pronoculators tended to 249 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: write in the cool and factual tones encouraged by the 250 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: royal society, with frequent appeals to reason, modern aggressive science, 251 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: and the courtesy subsisting among gentlemen. Anti inoculators purposely wrote 252 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: like demagogues, using heated tones and lowered scare stories to 253 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: promote paranoia and the process of the smallpox vaccine itself 254 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: too was I mean, would involved was scoring flesh on 255 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: a child's arm and then inserting the lymph from a 256 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: blister of a person who had gotten the vaccine a 257 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: week earlier. So you know, you hear or maybe you 258 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: see that ship, and naturally, as you know, parents aren't 259 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: really going to be like, oh that's dope, I can't 260 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: wait to do that ship. You know, back in the 261 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: eight hundreds and ships, and this to me, I think 262 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: echoes today in my own at least, uh sense of 263 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: vaccine hasidency. I have my own reasons for like I'm 264 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: gonna wait a little bit, but um, I am gonna 265 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: get the jab at at some point. But as with 266 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: the smallpoxes, smallpox vaccines kind of ekey procedure. When I 267 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: hear about the side effect the cup of job, it 268 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: does make me feel kind of like, oh, like I 269 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: gotta pick a good day and ago just kidd get sick. 270 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: Some people have like weakness in an arm or like 271 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: they're just laid out for a day, which does make 272 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: a little bit harder. Like I had a friend who 273 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: was like shopping in a Kroger and they announced over 274 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: the speaker that they had left everdoses that anyone could 275 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: come in, come get in line and get the job. 276 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: And she just like walked over to the pharmacy and 277 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: just got one randomly. And I feel like I couldn't 278 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: do it so nonchalantly, to be honest, But I feel 279 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: like this this um, this reaction, this public reaction to 280 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: like what the vaccine can do to you, like in 281 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: the like in the very real terms, like you know, 282 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: knowing what the procedure was for getting smallpox at the 283 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: time in the eighteen hundreds, or like hearing what the 284 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: side effects are today. It makes me think of the 285 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: recent controversy over am I coming out as anti vaccine. 286 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: I think she tweeted out, if I had to choose 287 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: the vaccine or chip, I'm going to choose death um 288 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: And in response to Twitter backlash, she explained in America 289 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: then to be vaccinate my child before the school, before 290 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: the school admission. It was the hardest thing to not 291 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,959 Speaker 1: have that choice over this as a mother. I never 292 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: want to feel that again. He was so sick for 293 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: three weeks then docs had to pump up with antibiotics 294 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: to reduce the fever from the three vaccines. So like 295 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: seeing like real side effects that vaccines do you have, 296 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: turning people off to their usage, I think is like 297 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: a real source of vaccine hesitancy that we can't just 298 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: brush off. It was like, oh, paranoia or you know, 299 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: I guess you can't appeal to reason, like the larger 300 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: purpose of you know, well, it's better you're sick for 301 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: a couple of like for a day, and then you're 302 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: fucking dead, right and your families to burrow you with 303 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: the money they don't have because four doesn't pay for 304 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: ship um, like you know, I mean, I guess my 305 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: thing is like I don't. I don't hold it against 306 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: anybody for being scared of the notion of vat vaccines 307 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: and vaccinations. I mean I have like queasiness and worries 308 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: and fears and the same thoughts that any of the 309 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: those people have to For me. Where it gets over 310 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: the pale is when in order to rationalize that, you 311 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: start coming up with like stupid ship like microchips in 312 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like if just be scared, 313 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: even if like yo, I don't trust doctors or I 314 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: don't trust modern medicine or whatever, like, even that to 315 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: me is a whether I agree with it or not, 316 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: it's a it's an argument that is like based it's 317 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: you know, some reasoning I can understand, you know, I 318 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: just don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I think 319 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: there's tangible things to be worried about that you don't 320 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: have to stretch. Yeah, I was curious. So when we 321 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: when we hear this description of during the smallpox era, 322 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: of the types of red rick used by pro inoculators 323 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 1: versus anti inoculators. Um, how how have you seen folks 324 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: on both sides communicate their perspectives? I feel I feel 325 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:03,479 Speaker 1: like impressionistically, I have seen somewhat of the same pattern 326 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: of like actually a lot of people just like spitting 327 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: facts if they're like I'm gonna go get the vaccine 328 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: and this is the data on whye and like, you know, 329 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: appeals to reason about you know, the good of man 330 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: kind versus like yeah, yeah, kind of like just you know, 331 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: demagoguery like scare stories or really more so than that, 332 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,479 Speaker 1: just like dumbass ship that I kind of can't tell 333 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: what people are joking, Like when I see people like 334 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: posting about like yeah I ain't getting the micro chip, 335 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: like I have. My initial reaction I was like, oh, 336 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: this nik playing around. It's funny, like, you know, laughing 337 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: at whatever. Somebody has to write l O L at 338 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: the end of some ship like that in yeah, you 339 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: gotta write l O L at the end of that 340 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: for me to be like all right, you know, otherwise 341 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna just gonna assume because people believe all 342 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: type of ship. Now, the of courts that I've seen 343 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: is like I don't want to say surprising, but just 344 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: like I think personally, I feel like I've encountered more 345 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: people that are hesitant to get the vaccine at least 346 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: this early. And these are like people who wear their 347 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: masks all the time and do all the things, you 348 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and that's how they feel, and 349 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: I was it kind of makes me want to ask you. 350 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: I hate to answer a question with a question, but 351 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: do you think that the vaccine would be coming out 352 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: this soon if people were more um, if people were 353 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: following COVID protocol more and longer, like if like, just 354 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: imagine if the whole political divide on the issue was 355 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: non existent and everybody was socially distancing and wearing the 356 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: masks and taking the whole taking it seriously, you know, 357 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: like a life or death issue. Do you think that 358 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: that would have kind of not made the immediate urgency 359 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: to like get the vaccine out at an unprecedented I 360 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: think that, Like, we are very greedy country. Even if 361 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: we had had like fucking six deaths this whole time, 362 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: we would have still bought up five times the amount 363 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: of vaccine we needed to inoculate the entire population, just 364 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: because we have the resources to do it. And like 365 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: we don't give a shit about anybody else. Honestly, that's 366 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 1: how I feel. I feel you on that, so, gentleman. Smallpox. 367 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: Once again. In that era, clergy thought that the vaccine 368 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: was Unchristian because it came from animals. Some believe it 369 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: would make you stick because it contained poisonous chemicals, namely 370 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: carbolic acid. Though sound in the vaccine, just like now, 371 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: there was a general distrust in medicine and people weren't 372 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: totally sold on generous ideas and methods. A section of 373 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: people believe smallpox had something to do with atmosphere, but mainly, 374 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: and this will sounds familiar, they felt that it was 375 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: by halting their personal liberty. It's like today. Government mandates 376 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: and rolledouts only hated up the tension. The Vaccination app 377 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,479 Speaker 1: ordered mandatory vaccination for entrance up to three months, all 378 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: which would have Piste m I a off a great deal. 379 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: The the Anti Vaccination Society of America started in eighteen 380 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: seventy nine, and then the New England Anti Compulsory Vaccination 381 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 1: League of them Nigga's got a league at the end 382 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: of their ship, and also the Anti Vaccination League of 383 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: New York City came shortly after and they were launching 384 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: court battles. Um they were trying to get vaccination laws 385 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: repealed in several states, including California, Illinois, and Wisconsin. Playwright 386 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: George Bernard Shaw, who was an aderant proponent of how 387 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: do you say that? Uh? Playwright George Bernard Shaw, who 388 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: was an ardent proponent of homopathy and eugenics, was like 389 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: one of the main voices of the anti vaxx movement 390 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: during the time, did not know that. As more and 391 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: more vaccines began to rapidly roll out. Um as the 392 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds went on, whooping cough in polio means its 393 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: three months in ninety sixty seven and rubella in nineteen one, 394 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: the anti vaccination movement scaled up as well. So can 395 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: you hear the cat in the background? Do I need 396 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: to throw him in the closet or something? So? Per 397 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: the history of vaccines, at or anti vaccination positions and 398 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: vaccination controversies are not limited to the past and the 399 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: Midnight seventies. International controversy over the safety of the dip 400 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: theory of tetanus and per TESSAs immunization erupted in Europe, Asia, 401 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: Australia and North America. In the United Kingdom, opposition resulted 402 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: in response to report from the Great Ormond Street Hospital 403 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: for six Children in London, which allowed that thirty children 404 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: suffered neurological conditions. Following DTP immunization, television documentaries and newspaper 405 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 1: reports drew public attention to the controversy. An advocacy group, 406 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: the Association of Parents Against Vaccine Damaged Children. Yo, your 407 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: childe dammage? You got a damaged as kid? Sorry? Okay, 408 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: damn damaged Okay also also peak public interests in the 409 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: potential risk and consequences of DTP. Members of the a 410 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: p v d C continued to argue in court recognition 411 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: and compensation, but we're denied both due to the lack 412 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: of evidence linking the DTP immunization with harm. Getting even 413 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: closer we got British doctor Andrew Wakefield recommended further investigation 414 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: to the possible relationship between bow disease autism and the 415 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: MMR vaccine, and today we're in the center of the 416 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: current debate over this COVID vaccine. But what do you so, 417 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: just generally, what are your what is your stance on 418 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: like vaccines? Just in general, like would you describe yourself 419 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 1: as pro vaccine. I don't know vaccine or anti vaccine. 420 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: I am pro vaccine. I mean like I am passively 421 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 1: pro vaccine and that like I am not like a 422 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: warrior out here on the social media, like you know, 423 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: like screaming about how we all need to go get vaccine, 424 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: and we I mean we do, but I do feel 425 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 1: like I like passively accept that if like the CDC 426 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,479 Speaker 1: says some is legit, then that's probably legit. They're very 427 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: smart doctors, and I am not smartning my doctor, and 428 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: so um I understand, Like I mean, outside of the 429 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: logistical concerns about getting it with regards to like getting 430 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: like recognizing that it can make you sick, and trying 431 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: to like schedule around that with like having a busy 432 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 1: ber schedule. I myself, like many people, I don't think 433 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get into this a little bit more later, 434 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: you know, have a constant no take that into consideration 435 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 1: with how soon I will get the vaccine. But in general, 436 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: like I trust the science ie like which is like 437 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: such an interesting phrase because like it's not like people 438 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: have read the studies. Like when I hear like my 439 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: friends who have gotten like wasted with at the bar 440 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: or whatever. So I don't trust the silence. I'm like, 441 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: you don't. I don't know the science. We're just stressing 442 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 1: other people who saily dress the science too, who say 443 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: they're doctors and so like, like like with every bit 444 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: of information we get, it's like, you know, you're doctorally cool, 445 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: you know, like, and some people just listen to the 446 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: bad doctors. I guess, um, but I trust scientific consensus. 447 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: I feel the same way with cove it, you know, 448 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: I I trust the ship. I have like anecdotal stuff 449 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: of like people I know who have gotten the vaccine 450 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: and my mom's gotten it. And but at the same time, 451 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: I understand, like if if if the numbers reflect that 452 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: some alarming number of people are skeptical or hesitant about 453 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: the COVID vaccine, I personally understand it because if you 454 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: tell people, yeah, it usually takes ten years or four 455 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 1: years or whatever to come up with one of them, 456 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: and you come up with the ship in like seven months, 457 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: I would imagine people would be like, I'm a wait 458 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: until the update, you know, Like you know, I I understand, 459 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: I understand it is what I'm saying. I I kind 460 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: of hate when people are quick to de legitimize people like, 461 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: oh you're crazy or oh you're conspiracy theorists. Yeah, I 462 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: hate that we did come up with this ship pretty 463 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: rad really, that it should be a reason to be like, wait, 464 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: It's like when they come up with a new game console. 465 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: I'm not getting that shift first. I'm gonna let y'all 466 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: motherfucker's get that ship first so I can hear how 467 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: it is, and then you know, maybe wait for them 468 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: to come up with the update because I'm like, oh, 469 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 1: this version that should have bugs, so we updated it, 470 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: you know, whether it's a game, councile or cell phone. 471 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: I'm not just Russian. When they when they put out 472 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: the first version of it, I want to, you know, 473 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: just my own personal peace of mind. I want to 474 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: make sure that it's been you know, crowd tested, mother 475 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: approved before I go and get it. So again, I'm 476 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: just saying I understand people having I just understand where 477 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: that feeling is coming from. So half the states in 478 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: America I have seen a decline over the past decade 479 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: and the take up rates among kindergarten children of vaccines 480 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: against diseases such as means those moms happatitis being polio. 481 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: That was before COVID and Georgia. In Arkansas, the decline 482 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: was more than six This is from the c d C. 483 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: We know that a disease that is apparently under control 484 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: can suddenly return because we've seen it happen in countries 485 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: like Japan, Australia, and Sweden. Here's an example from Japan. 486 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy four, about eight percent of Japanese children were 487 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: getting whooping cough vaccine. That year, there were only three 488 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: hundred and ninety three cases of whooping cough in the 489 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: entire country. Not a single person had a death related 490 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: to it. Then immunization rates begin to drop, until only 491 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: about ten percent of children were being vaccinated. In nineteen 492 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: seventy nine, more than thirteen thousand people got whooping cough 493 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: and forty one died. When routine vaccinations were resumed, the 494 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: disease numbers dropped again. The chances of your child getting 495 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: a case of measles or chicken pox or whooping cough 496 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: might be quite low today, but vaccinations are not just 497 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: for protecting theirselves. They are not just for today. They 498 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: also protect people around you, so of whom might may 499 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: be unable to get certain vaccines or might have failed 500 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: to respond to a vaccine or might be susceptible to 501 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: other for other reasons. And they also protect our children's 502 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: children and their children by keeping diseases that we feel 503 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: we've almost defeated for making a comeback. What would happen 504 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: if we stopped taking vaccinations. We could soon find ourselves 505 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: battling epidemics for diseases we thought we had conquered decades ago. 506 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: And so that's like the over ar king you know. Uh, 507 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: moral argument, I think is that it's not just for you, 508 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: it's for society, which I think is is one of 509 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: the reasons why there maybe some nut skepticism. But just 510 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: like nonchalance about getting the COVID vaccine, because you can 511 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: still get COVID, you just won't get sick and die 512 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: from it, you can still pass it to other people, 513 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: you still have to keep wearing a mask um et cetera. 514 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: And so like people who are young and think that 515 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: they're invincible anywhere, like why should I get the vacs 516 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: scene it's not gonna kill me anyway, And it's still 517 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: gonna kill my grandma anyway, Like what's the big old deal? 518 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: And so figuring out how to then argue that effectively 519 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: you know without this, you know uh this this uh 520 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: common good. Um. Part of the argument operating is strongly 521 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,719 Speaker 1: I think it's one of the difficulties that we're facing. 522 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: So according to a few research poll only of African 523 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: Americans say they would take the COVID nineteen vaccine. And 524 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: I think that says multiple sources. I think, yes, there's 525 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: this misinformation, and that's why it's important for us to 526 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: undertake grassroots educational efforts so that vaccine information is coming 527 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: from people that we trust. From your neighbor, from your 528 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: pastor you might see your auntie posting a selfie for 529 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: her getting the vaccine, and it normalizes the idea for you. 530 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: I think that's really important because getting information from the CDC, 531 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: who the fund is? The CDC, you know, like who 532 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: like who? Who is the Department of Public else for 533 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: Northeast Georgia like who? Like what? Who are you? Why 534 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: do you care? But um, getting information where people who 535 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: are you know, like trusted sources helps it feel like, 536 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: it helps reinstill that sense of common good of like 537 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: we're looking out for you, could we love you? And 538 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: do we care about you? Know? But I think in 539 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: an underappreciated problem stems from our general relationship as African 540 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: Americans to privatized health care. In America, black people are 541 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: disproportionately underinsured or uninsured, and being underinsured having insurance but 542 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: having exorbited an out of pocket costs attached to that 543 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: may prevent one of utilizing health care services. Thinking about 544 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: the fact that for African Americans, the average annual costs 545 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: for healthcare premiums is about of the average household income. Like, 546 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: if you're spending that much to go see a doctor, 547 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: even if you have insurance, you might not do it. 548 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: Like you might then lean on insurance as a backup 549 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: in the case in case of a health emergency, but 550 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: shy away from taking preventative steps that you fear might 551 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: cost you. So even if you have insurance, navigating the 552 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: complex web of premiums copais sobriet of pills, I mean 553 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: you don't have a strong relationship with a primary care provider, 554 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: or have a primary care provider at all. So um 555 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: folks that are underinsured are uninsured already just have like 556 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: a weak relationship with our health care system such that 557 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: you know they're not going to see a doctor and 558 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: you know getting advice from them about whether they're eligible 559 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: or whether it's smart for them to get it because 560 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,479 Speaker 1: they have underlying conditions, not even though they have an 561 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: online conditions, because they're not going to see a doctor, 562 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: you know, and so like the idea and then that 563 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: creates like a psychological barrier. So like just going to 564 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: get the vaccine because you don't regularly go see doctors 565 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: is part of the issue. And UM, I've argued this 566 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,719 Speaker 1: with access to the polls. I think the same applies 567 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: to access to education and a good job. And yes, vaccination, UM, 568 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: that acts the idea of access is really important to 569 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: just access to anything. UM, it's really important to understand 570 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: and impacts of vaccination willingness as well. Think about people 571 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: living neighborhoo it's underserved by public transportation, or being a 572 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: person that lacks reliable personal transportation like a car. UM. 573 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: Think about you know that impacts what you know, whether 574 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: you will fucking get off work it's at you know, 575 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: five thirty and try to catch the bus to make 576 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,240 Speaker 1: it to the Kroger by six to get your vaccine, etcetera. 577 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 1: Like you said, it's just like with voting. It's just 578 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: like with voting. It's just like with you know why, oh, 579 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: why didn't you go back to you know, community college 580 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: and get your finished degree. You're like, oh, why don't 581 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: you get a job to pay more? All like access 582 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: like ties is tied many many issues in our community 583 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: and to define in some of the following ways, think 584 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: about also black people's overrepresentation and office support at food 585 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: service and production work industries. Off the long hours and 586 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 1: no pay time off, are we really expecting these people 587 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: to lose a day's pay to go get the jab 588 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: and be laid out in bed because it makes you 589 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,720 Speaker 1: sick afterwards, let alone use your time off to scoutur 590 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: six websites can call the Department of Hell to try 591 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: and maybe fail to get an a point in the 592 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: first place. So access with regards to time like you know, 593 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: whether or not you have the time to navigate these 594 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: this uh you know these websites figuring out how to 595 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: get the bus to place or where the places or 596 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: calling the doctor's office, all these things. How to recover 597 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: from the aftermath, right except to work sixty hours a 598 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: week or whatever, which is disproportionately after America. And then 599 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,800 Speaker 1: digital literacy I think also plays into this and my 600 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: work recently on a grassroots campaign for vaccine outreach. We 601 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,439 Speaker 1: struggled with coming up with materials simple enough to reach 602 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: folks who may be dropped out of high school or 603 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,399 Speaker 1: who are elders who weren't familiar with the technical terms. 604 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: And I want to run this by you and just see, 605 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: like to show you, like what problem like we ran 606 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: into to the addition to like navigating a website or whatever, 607 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,399 Speaker 1: even if we were just trying to explain to people 608 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 1: who was eligible at the time. Thank for example, of 609 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: the eligibility requirements for Phase one B of George's vaccine rollout, 610 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,720 Speaker 1: You'd be eligible if you are quote unquote an essential 611 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: worker in critical non healthcare infrastructure sectors. That's what the 612 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,959 Speaker 1: Department of Health told us to tell people. Now, Mac, 613 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: what then do you think that means? I have no idea. 614 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here trying to think about an essential worker 615 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: in critical infrastructure sectors non healthcare related. So I mean 616 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: I would consider the grocery store worker in a critical 617 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:28,320 Speaker 1: right would that count? Right? Good question? So, even in 618 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: trying to like get people the information they need to 619 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: make these informed decisions about their health, like the like 620 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: get any favors by talking in like this these fucking jargon. Man, 621 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: this is a very weird flyer. Yeah, and this is 622 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,800 Speaker 1: so this is the fly so magazineon this flyer that 623 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: we made to distribute to people at food distribution like 624 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: mask food distribution sites and like churches and like going 625 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: into the door talking to people. This is about the 626 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: Department of Public Health told us to tell people. It's like, yo, 627 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,800 Speaker 1: do you all not know like what people like just 628 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: life in these streets like like this is just not 629 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,800 Speaker 1: not even for like black people, just for regular apport 630 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: point blanks generally. Who the funk knows what this ship means. 631 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,399 Speaker 1: It's a bus driver critical infrastructure exactly, Like I mean, 632 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: teacher is what is teaching? Is education infrastructure? Like I 633 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: don't know, Like okay, So we see the issue. So 634 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:26,800 Speaker 1: there's there's interweaving aspects of access, transportation, literacy, wage labor 635 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 1: that that flow into the vaccine debate. I think that 636 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: it's the fact that of African Americans say that they 637 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 1: can take the vaccine. It's not that people have watched 638 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,720 Speaker 1: too many like whackul do YouTube videos doing fake research. 639 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,399 Speaker 1: Is that folks are often too burdened to give a shit, 640 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: and we gotta work on that. I feel you on that. Yeah, although, 641 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,240 Speaker 1: as we're about to get into in the music discussion section, 642 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: there are plenty of people that believe fucking crazy that 643 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: are probably not helping the matter. We're gonna get into that. 644 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: That was a damn good teaser for that. We're gonna 645 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 1: get into that after the job. Okay. So in the 646 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 1: music discussion today, we're going to be discussing and showcasing 647 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: some instances where the topic of vaccinations have come up 648 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: in hip hop. Um off the bat, we want to 649 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 1: start with an example of something that's completely current having 650 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,320 Speaker 1: to deal with COVID. So there is a YouTube channel 651 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 1: called Hip Hop Public Health and they have a series 652 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: of rap videos called Community Immunity or Rap Anthology. It's 653 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: about vaccines. It's like rap songs to promote COVID immunity, 654 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: and um here we've the whole thing was featured on 655 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: PBS The News Hour and for one of those, we're 656 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 1: going to check out the track by d m C 657 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: which is part one of the series. That's what are 658 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 1: vaccines and why do they work? That's literally what the 659 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 1: track is called. Trust Me, Believe Me. We're not gonna 660 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: have another tusk oh Okay, Yeah, I mean it's like, 661 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,320 Speaker 1: you know, like full special vibes. Yeah, and it's like 662 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: I don't even think necessarily it would be like the 663 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: subject matter alone would make it corny. Like aesop Rock 664 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,320 Speaker 1: just dropped a song this week about a frog, a 665 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 1: crime fighting frog, and it's super adorable and the flow 666 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 1: is really dope. And that's the critical thing is that 667 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,919 Speaker 1: they don't just do good rappers to do this song. 668 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: I love DMC, you know, but yeah, you know it's 669 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: DMC spitten you know, some yes, some nineteen eighties wraps, 670 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: and it's like, I guess it's just like not in 671 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:57,240 Speaker 1: today's like it's just but whenever you be like making 672 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,320 Speaker 1: like a rap song where it's like, hey, y'all should 673 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 1: do this, it takes a very very particular execution to 674 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 1: not have it sound hokey and after school special life, 675 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 1: because that's that's that's mainly like the thing that repels 676 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: me about this, it's just it has is it falls 677 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: into the I don't I think it's called the white elephant, 678 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: not fallacy, but like the like if someone tells you 679 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: don't think of an elephant, what do you think of exactly? Yeah, 680 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,399 Speaker 1: you're at so when They're like, it's it has nothing 681 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 1: to do with race. I'm like, oh, someone said it 682 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,360 Speaker 1: has something to do with race. M hmm. Like reinforces 683 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 1: that idea in people's mind, even say oh, but this 684 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 1: ain't no Tuskegee referencing the Tuskegee experiment Um where they 685 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: studied the full progression of UH syphilis in primarily black 686 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: sharecroppers down to Macon County, Alabama. So they didn't they 687 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,239 Speaker 1: didn't tell people. They didn't tell these dudes, and they 688 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 1: were giving them cyphilists. They're they're only gonna hear snippets. 689 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 1: So I mean pretty much, you know, it's D M 690 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: see from N D M C. And he's just like 691 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: he's just like spitting a bunch of pro vaccination like facts. 692 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: I guess you know what I mean. I guess it was. 693 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 1: It's it's like almost like pre empting, you know, the 694 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 1: arguments that are against vaccination dispel myths, but in doing so, 695 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: it doesn't take any time to talk about why you 696 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 1: should get vaccinated, like arguments. Now you want to hit 697 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 1: the skating rink, you know, you're trying to go to 698 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,439 Speaker 1: the family barbecue, like get the vaccine. It's just like, hey, 699 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 1: it's like scolding you for believing its defense and it's defense. 700 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: It is just like a minute in twelve second long, 701 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 1: like schoolhouse Rock sort of. It's even got like an 702 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 1: animated cartoon video to it. But again it seems like 703 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: to me, I'll put it to you this way, it 704 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: seems like it's for kids, like little kids, that's totally cool. 705 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: But it's like, this isn't gonna get teenagers or young 706 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 1: people to be like who who are otherwise like skeptical 707 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,279 Speaker 1: about vaccinations. It's not gonna get them to get on board. 708 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,760 Speaker 1: And to even further illustrate that part, if this exact 709 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 1: song was made by meges, it still wouldn't get them 710 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 1: to fuck it, you know. I mean, it's just it's 711 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: just hope. Like I said, it's hokey. It's for little kids, 712 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: like no, no self respecting, I'm cool. Teenager is gonna 713 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: look at this and be like yeah, But honestly, if 714 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 1: they had they had they had a video of me 715 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 1: gooes like in the club popping bottles, is like, yeah, 716 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 1: we're in the club because we all got vaccinated. We 717 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,840 Speaker 1: don't get fucks. We can like throw down because we 718 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 1: can't get sick. Now, kind of think that would work better, 719 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 1: but it would have to be like Amigo song. It 720 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,319 Speaker 1: would have to be like Amigos like it couldn't been 721 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 1: and it couldn't be them over a trap beat going hey, y'all, 722 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,960 Speaker 1: y'all get vaccinated because you know what I mean? Like no, no, no, 723 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,479 Speaker 1: like no no no, all right, um, Which is funny 724 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,880 Speaker 1: that we just lamdbasted like the one attempts in our 725 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 1: lists for someone to like educate people about Hey, I mean, 726 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,839 Speaker 1: I had that fear, but we gotta cepe it real 727 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 1: ship wasn't hot, yo, you know, I mean it was. 728 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 1: It was hot if you're in like preschool. Kevin Gates 729 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 1: told Rolling Stones in two thousand sixteen that he doesn't 730 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 1: vaccinated his children. Gates claimed that his son and daughter 731 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,240 Speaker 1: were growing up in an evanced fashion and accelerated school. 732 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: The largely believe this was due to them not getting vaccinated. 733 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,839 Speaker 1: He stressed that his stands on vaccines didn't come from 734 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,160 Speaker 1: bearing needles, considering the amount of tattoos he has. Rather, 735 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 1: he explained that his children were born at home instead 736 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 1: of a hospital. A lot of children that was born 737 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,839 Speaker 1: in a hospital experience a lot of difficulty that they 738 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,880 Speaker 1: didn't have to experience. So again was casting doubt on 739 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 1: traditional West traditional you know, Western medicine. Um. If you 740 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:57,359 Speaker 1: have in linking um citing causation, correlation is causation. So like, oh, 741 00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,320 Speaker 1: my kids were born at homes, have a hospital, and 742 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 1: then factor is looking at them growing up. It's like 743 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 1: Kevin Gates, like, you don't think they're growing up accelerated 744 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,960 Speaker 1: and advance the ship because like y'all living good? Yeah, Like, 745 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's no other there's no other reason 746 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,880 Speaker 1: that your kids are doing good. None. It's just totally 747 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,400 Speaker 1: because they weren't born in the hospital. That's It's not 748 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 1: because you're Kevin Gates and a millionaire. It's it's definitely 749 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:33,480 Speaker 1: the vaccines word. It's a roast to five nine on 750 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,960 Speaker 1: trick lets. The hospital they target our children, say they're 751 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:43,400 Speaker 1: gonna name May somehow get artism. So yeah, it's like 752 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,279 Speaker 1: it's I just don't know how else to describe that 753 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 1: other than cringe up. Next, we got Royce again with 754 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:57,320 Speaker 1: the track on the same album Uhood Oh yeah no 755 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,800 Speaker 1: this this this was on his last album. UM. This 756 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:05,400 Speaker 1: is from his last album that came out early Allegory, 757 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,360 Speaker 1: and it's it's crazy because I remember listening to this 758 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 1: back in January, you know what I'm saying, And it's 759 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 1: just like a couple of months later, we'd be in 760 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,040 Speaker 1: the COVID ship. But he was getting he was getting 761 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 1: heat on him. You know, well I mean by heat, 762 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,960 Speaker 1: I just mean motherfucker's was complaining on Twitter, you know 763 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 1: what I mean. But but people, he was getting that 764 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,319 Speaker 1: kind of heat over that line before we were even 765 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,920 Speaker 1: in the COVID pandemic. But um, in the track fubou, 766 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,320 Speaker 1: let's let's check that out. Really not even a documentary. 767 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:43,480 Speaker 1: My son got autism from injection by syringes autism. Um, 768 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 1: I just looked at up again, like you know, it's 769 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 1: this correlation equating causation, like jumping the gun thing, despite 770 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,640 Speaker 1: the fact that no research suggests that there's any link 771 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,919 Speaker 1: between MMR vaccines that are given to children and austin 772 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 1: subtractant disorders. But like the same way that like oh 773 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,880 Speaker 1: I saw my friends get the COVID vaccine and I 774 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,879 Speaker 1: saw they got sick and now I'm nervous, or oh 775 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,360 Speaker 1: I saw them score my child's arm and inject like 776 00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,399 Speaker 1: a blister from a vaccinated person, Like give make sure 777 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,759 Speaker 1: they don't get smallpox, and I'm a little freaked out. 778 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,880 Speaker 1: Like you, you search, you search for answers to make 779 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 1: me feel more comfortable, or to like, you know, explain 780 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,680 Speaker 1: away things that are unfortunate. I guess you could say 781 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,920 Speaker 1: no that I don't think having contentsm is unfortunate, but 782 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,759 Speaker 1: I clearly roys to five nine does. Let's get onto 783 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:43,359 Speaker 1: this last example from NASA off everything. A parent hates 784 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: to watch his baby's face taking his first immunization shots. 785 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,120 Speaker 1: But this is great Chiles and direction of suffering pain 786 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 1: understand without nothing, nothing has explained or rushed to the 787 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,879 Speaker 1: brain looking up at his parents face, Like I thought 788 00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,759 Speaker 1: you would protect me from the scary place. Why do 789 00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 1: you let them inject me? Who's gonna know? How? He said, 790 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,759 Speaker 1: effects gonna affect me. I feel like this is like 791 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: the most reasoned, Like it's both like narratively, it like 792 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,560 Speaker 1: paints a very realistic portrait of just like how hard 793 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,920 Speaker 1: it is to watch your kids get vaccinated and like 794 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,759 Speaker 1: what the kids thinking, and just like yeah, I think 795 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,279 Speaker 1: it is very least like photo realistic in a certain sense. 796 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,719 Speaker 1: I love this line. I I think that this is 797 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 1: super dope because, like you said, it's a it's a 798 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:33,040 Speaker 1: legitimate nuance, like idea, you know what I'm saying. It's 799 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,719 Speaker 1: not just one line or just like an assertion you 800 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,719 Speaker 1: you you know you might. I could even learn that Hey, 801 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:47,960 Speaker 1: maybe like nas personally does feel that vaccines lead to autism. 802 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:52,959 Speaker 1: Maybe he really believes something like that. But I feel 803 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:58,120 Speaker 1: that concern is reflected in this line, but without an 804 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 1: assertion of like you said, cause a ship and ship. 805 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,360 Speaker 1: But I don't, Yeah, I don't. I don't find that. 806 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,200 Speaker 1: I don't find this problematic at all. Yeah. I think 807 00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,240 Speaker 1: that's a realistic portrait of just like the struggle without 808 00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,800 Speaker 1: espousing of viewpoint that then can be problematic and influence 809 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,960 Speaker 1: people to do a certain things that might actually negatively 810 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:21,840 Speaker 1: impact um, somebody other children. Yeah, and then is he 811 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,759 Speaker 1: kind of technically like rap it a little bit from 812 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:31,480 Speaker 1: the perspective of the child? Do it's? But yeah, that 813 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,240 Speaker 1: that that that sounds it sounds like that nick spitting 814 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,480 Speaker 1: right there. All right, So that's gonna do it for 815 00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:42,320 Speaker 1: us to today. Um, everybody, have a good week. Be 816 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:47,480 Speaker 1: safe out there. I'm dope Knife. 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