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Speaker 1: now your hosts. Brian brought us Jeff Kavanaugh, Kyle Yeomans,
Speaker 1: and David Hellman. It is Thursday, February the tenth, and
Speaker 1: that means it is time for another episode of the
Speaker 1: Draft Show, brought to you by Miller Lite. Hi. There,
Speaker 1: I'm David Hellman. In your in your radio or your headphones,
Speaker 1: however you're digesting this podcast. I'm joined by my buddies,
Speaker 1: Jeff Kavanaugh, Brian brought us Kyle Yeoman's you know the drill?
Speaker 1: Jeff was the last player you watched. What's just all
Speaker 1: the tough questions? That's not a tough question. I don't
Speaker 1: know the order I watch him in. I guess Kirby
Speaker 1: Joseph was the last one. Who is he? H? Kirby
Speaker 1: Joseph is a safety out of Illinois that would be
Speaker 1: a really nice player in the third round. Dave Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl Guy, right, boy. Yeah, yep, he's a senior bowl man.
Speaker 1: He falls in behind the top two groups. I guess. Okay,
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton Notre Dame, but you can't have so don't
Speaker 1: worry about it. Sure. Daxton Hill, Michigan, which for me
Speaker 1: is a cheater grade. First second, so somewhere near the
Speaker 1: end of the first round. Second round is jikuon Brisker,
Speaker 1: Penn State, Jalen Petrie, Baylor Lewis Scene, Georgia. Third round
Speaker 1: is Kirby Joseph. I'm actually really glad you did that.
Speaker 1: We got a question about the safeties, so we can
Speaker 1: get into that in the second segment. It's not as
Speaker 1: cold outside as you think it is. It was when
Speaker 1: I left the house this morning. You have on a
Speaker 1: hoodie plus some sort of fur. It's seeing jacket. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks mann Man, you know, like he's doing Denver Bronco Radio.
Speaker 1: I like to look stylish if I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be on camera. Is that okay? You are looking good? Thanks? Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'd like to take all that back. No, if you're
Speaker 1: looking good, it's okay. How's everybody else this morning? Great? Great? Yeah,
Speaker 1: nice little synergy. There you go. So all right, I
Speaker 1: asked Jeff about a prospect, but what I want to
Speaker 1: do today, and Brian, I think you'll appreciate this. Um.
Speaker 1: This is the frustrating thing about doing a draft podcast
Speaker 1: that starts in January is there's just a whole lot
Speaker 1: we don't know about what this team is gonna look
Speaker 1: like on April thirtieth or whatever day the draft starts.
Speaker 1: And I think you're gonna stop doing the Draft show
Speaker 1: for a while. No, Ill figured out, No, I absolutely don't.
Speaker 1: But I do think it lends itself to some interesting conversations.
Speaker 1: If you remember, financially, you and I don't need to
Speaker 1: sing this stuff. That's a fair point. Let's not let's
Speaker 1: keep doing it. I was thinking four times a week, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Kyle and I don't get paid by the appearance. No,
Speaker 1: you guys can, Rin and I are going to do
Speaker 1: two more a week. Yeah you two. Godspeed. But if
Speaker 1: you remember last year, it's a great example with Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: like we wasted a lot of breath on quarterbacks before
Speaker 1: we knew that Dak was going to sign his deal.
Speaker 1: Long winded. Where I'm going with this is if you
Speaker 1: follow the Cowboys, you are aware Amari Cooper and DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence have been in the news recently. They're whispers about
Speaker 1: their futures. There's some uncertainty there. The Cowboys are projected
Speaker 1: at twenty million over the salary cap. Maybe they're disillusioned
Speaker 1: with what they got out of those two players last season,
Speaker 1: and I just kind of want to take a deep
Speaker 1: dive at what that might look like and how that
Speaker 1: might affect the draft. And so let's just take a
Speaker 1: look at it. We don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: Free agencies still a month away the start of the
Speaker 1: league years not until mid March, But can you envision that,
Speaker 1: Why would the Cowboys do that? And how do you
Speaker 1: think that that would affect them heading into this draft.
Speaker 1: I think that they would do it. You know, the
Speaker 1: easy flip of a switch would be the Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: stuff to get the money. Now, figure out from there
Speaker 1: where you want to go and how you want to
Speaker 1: shape your team. You know, talking to people outside of
Speaker 1: this building, you know there's guys that believe that that
Speaker 1: Tank Lawrence is going to be asked to take a reduction,
Speaker 1: you know, and whether he says yes or no could
Speaker 1: very well affect how things go for him and for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys going forward, as far as the defensive end
Speaker 1: position goes. They've also got to consider what's going on
Speaker 1: with Randy Gregory as well. Do you take that money
Speaker 1: and then try and rally and get Randy Gregor. I
Speaker 1: think Randy Gregory is open to any ideas that you
Speaker 1: have talking some people once again and outside the organization.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it will affect how you know,
Speaker 1: you've got to have a path to, you know, where
Speaker 1: you want to get to under the cap and then
Speaker 1: give yourself the opportunity to go get some guys this
Speaker 1: team obviously, and the reason why we start talking about
Speaker 1: the draft here in January is because his team likes
Speaker 1: to draft, you know, the Dallas Cowboys. That's something that
Speaker 1: they tell you, Hey, you know, they were glad we
Speaker 1: have Will McClay. We're glad we have these scouts. We're
Speaker 1: glad we do this twenty four seven. So I think
Speaker 1: that the way, you know, once they figure out how
Speaker 1: they get under the cap, then now you'll start to
Speaker 1: see the direction of go and it could you know,
Speaker 1: let's see what you know happens with a Maori Cooper.
Speaker 1: You can't totally blame Amari for what happened last year
Speaker 1: and I'll play a medal. But we did plenty of shows.
Speaker 1: I know, Jeff and I that June conversations that you
Speaker 1: have is over and under a Maury Cooper twelve hundred yards.
Speaker 1: I'm you know, ceedee lamb over twelve hundred You know,
Speaker 1: you do these shows and you're every one of them
Speaker 1: is yeah over, yeah over, yeah over, And then you
Speaker 1: get to the end of the year and everything is
Speaker 1: under and you're like, okay, and there might be some
Speaker 1: you know, some talk about you know, with the Maury Cooper,
Speaker 1: he does, he plays banged up, he does go out
Speaker 1: there and do what he has to do. There's probably
Speaker 1: some things that happened because of the vaccination issue of
Speaker 1: missing games. You know, that's a fair point. You know,
Speaker 1: so all these things come into play, and how they
Speaker 1: look at their draft is that they once they flip
Speaker 1: those switches, now it's like, okay, here we go. This
Speaker 1: is what we have to do. You know, you don't
Speaker 1: want them to force you know, they've forced players before,
Speaker 1: and we've got on them about that. We've got on
Speaker 1: them and we've talked about, hey, just take that best
Speaker 1: player and it's worked out for him. A couple of
Speaker 1: different times. I think they're open to that, but again
Speaker 1: it's about getting everything in line. Say when we get
Speaker 1: to the start of the new league, gear spot on,
Speaker 1: because even Stephen Jones when we were talking with them
Speaker 1: in mobile, talked about that. The reason why they've taken
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb last or two years ago and Michael Parson's
Speaker 1: last year was because they set themselves up for success
Speaker 1: by at least covering their bases. They weren't necessarily excelling
Speaker 1: in a couple of those directions, and I mean in
Speaker 1: a couple of ways. At least this year you saw
Speaker 1: jayren Curse that was supposed to be a whole fielder, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he ended up being an impact player. And that's the
Speaker 1: kind of value that this front office has to find
Speaker 1: this year, especially after paying your quarterback. It is. It's tough.
Speaker 1: They're tough decisions on the horizon, and with guys like
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory and DeMarcus Lawrence, you would like to bring
Speaker 1: both of those guys back, but the reality is you're
Speaker 1: probably only going to bring one of those guys back.
Speaker 1: Real quick, cutting to Marcus Lawrence would carry a cap
Speaker 1: charge of nineteen million and save you eight if you
Speaker 1: were able to finagle a trade. It would be the
Speaker 1: same exact number. The same goes for a Maury Cooper
Speaker 1: a cap charge of six million, savings of sixteen million.
Speaker 1: See now this is where this is where the side
Speaker 1: which one might be going. Yeah, this is this is
Speaker 1: where you know you have the discussion about trying to
Speaker 1: use than Amari Cooper as a trade piece if you're
Speaker 1: interested in moving on from him. Okay, I was going
Speaker 1: to go somewhere else. But that's interesting. What it's an idea,
Speaker 1: it's not something I mean to me, what do you
Speaker 1: think you could get for him? To me, I'm using
Speaker 1: him with him in twenty four to try and go up. Now,
Speaker 1: the next trick is the draft show needs to figure
Speaker 1: out who you're going up for. You know that that's
Speaker 1: what we can find Again, I mean, okay, if you're
Speaker 1: trying to help, if the if the if you look
Speaker 1: at the first wide receiver we've talked Jeff and I
Speaker 1: did a show with Dane Brugler had this discussion last night.
Speaker 1: Is that you know when you look at the Jets,
Speaker 1: you know and Dane says, the first wide receiver he
Speaker 1: has going off the board. Scarrett Wilson, Ohio State going
Speaker 1: to the Jets at ten. Okay, well, I'm going to
Speaker 1: give you an established wide receiver, you know, for your
Speaker 1: trouble for you know, for your pick. I'm going to
Speaker 1: give you an established guy, and I'm gonna let you
Speaker 1: come and pick at twenty four. So you use maybe
Speaker 1: you use that to your instead of saying, hey, we'll
Speaker 1: flip you two, or we'll do this or whatever, or
Speaker 1: flip your one whatever, you know. I think I think
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper, you know, if you you know, to me,
Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm the Jets, I'm sitting and I'm looking, well,
Speaker 1: I can have an established wide receiver and I don't
Speaker 1: have to draft one that might be maybe, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody wants to draft the next, you know,
Speaker 1: the next big receiver. I mean the league has put
Speaker 1: a couple of them. If you look at Chase the
Speaker 1: last couple of receivers Lsu. Both Lsu kids have done
Speaker 1: a really good job in the league. But everybody's looking
Speaker 1: for that next one, you know, and maybe maybe we'll
Speaker 1: see is that guy. But I'm going to give you
Speaker 1: a chance with your young quarterback to have a guy
Speaker 1: that's a route runner, a catcher, you know, and all
Speaker 1: those things, an established pro that's what I'm going to
Speaker 1: try and give you to move if I can. That's
Speaker 1: an interesting thought because if if you want to move,
Speaker 1: and if they'll take the deal. But I'm targeted three spots.
Speaker 1: I'm going to three spots. I'm trying to go. You
Speaker 1: might want to go to the Commanders. The Commanders are
Speaker 1: a team that tried to sign him before. So you say, okay, well, hey,
Speaker 1: we'll let you come up and maybe you'll feel more
Speaker 1: comfortable about your quarterback at twenty four than you would
Speaker 1: at eleven. Trade him within the division. Ah, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm really not interested in your feelings now, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: really not. I'm trying to win games. What about Ravens
Speaker 1: at fourteen? Is that the third team? Yeah? You know,
Speaker 1: I think to me that you look at to me,
Speaker 1: the spots were the spots were ten, eleven, and fourteen.
Speaker 1: I think we're the three I was looking at. I
Speaker 1: would love to look at. I'm looking at the cap
Speaker 1: situation for these teams. You know that the Jets have Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why I start. That's why I started. The Commanders
Speaker 1: have thirty. Yeah, but yeah, the Ravens maybe not so much.
Speaker 1: Just nine. Like I say, you're gonna need spots, and
Speaker 1: you know you maybe could float the ideas and stuff. Again,
Speaker 1: It's just it's something. If you're going to move on
Speaker 1: from Amari Cooper, do it in a way that benefits
Speaker 1: maybe him and benefits you. Jeff, can you sell me
Speaker 1: on a path that this team improves without one or
Speaker 1: both of these players? Oh? Absolutely, Yet it please, because
Speaker 1: I'm not feeling the optimism. I can't sell you on
Speaker 1: them being better man for man on paper at all.
Speaker 1: But I could sell you on how in the world
Speaker 1: could this team not block for two months? If you
Speaker 1: have an offensive line that is competent and a quarterback
Speaker 1: who is further removed from a major surgery then a
Speaker 1: calf strain plus a shoulder in training camp, if you
Speaker 1: get your quarterback back to the way we're used to
Speaker 1: seeing him consistently play, and you get him protect did
Speaker 1: and you're able to block lightboxes, which is asking very
Speaker 1: little of an NFL offensive line. I'm asking you, when
Speaker 1: the numbers are even, can you block them the last
Speaker 1: two three months into the season. The answer was no.
Speaker 1: So will you replicate the number of turnovers you forced
Speaker 1: on defense? Probably not? Will you be better by subtracting
Speaker 1: to Pro Bowl caliber players at important positions. No, not
Speaker 1: on paper, but if you give him a quarterback back
Speaker 1: and he looks confident and decisive and he's protected and
Speaker 1: you can run block, yeah, your team could be better.
Speaker 1: So willieve that when you're trading up. If if you're
Speaker 1: trading up and you're using Amari Cooper as that piece,
Speaker 1: is that meaning go and get in front of the
Speaker 1: Eagles to maybe try and go get your lender bomb
Speaker 1: or maybe go I think that would be the tough part.
Speaker 1: And Brian tell me, if you have your brain in
Speaker 1: a certain place when you're going up, I might go
Speaker 1: get with those tackles. Yeah, okay, so maybe it's a Cross,
Speaker 1: maybe it's Yeah, maybe it's which whichever win those tackles falls.
Speaker 1: Because I think Neil is going to go. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised at all if Nils the number one pick.
Speaker 1: I think the Alabama left tackle um should go number one.
Speaker 1: But they may pick an edge guy. Uh, cross is
Speaker 1: your number one? He is, so you would love that.
Speaker 1: I would. He's there at ten, twelve, fourteen, and you
Speaker 1: go get him. Yeah, it's a perfect understudy for Tyrn Smith.
Speaker 1: But can you play guard immediately or am I trading
Speaker 1: up to Happy? Well, what I'm doing, actually, what I'm no,
Speaker 1: I'm putting. I'm putting Lyle Collins at left guard and
Speaker 1: I'm playing cross at right tackle. Oh okay, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. What if Lyle is not game
Speaker 1: for that, well, then I'm getting on the phone and
Speaker 1: I'm talking to the next team in the second round
Speaker 1: that would like Lyle Collins. I mean, he didn't totally
Speaker 1: have an option. I mean, I guess he could say,
Speaker 1: you know, but it would be all right, all right,
Speaker 1: then you're not gonna play football, and uh, it's gonna
Speaker 1: make teams not want you very much. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: play football here. I don't know. It's just it's an
Speaker 1: interesting thought, I do. I mean, he a guy with
Speaker 1: that kind of stature, with some money in the bank,
Speaker 1: has a little bit of leverage in terms of I
Speaker 1: think he lost. I think he lost his leverage really
Speaker 1: when he decided that he didn't want to take drug
Speaker 1: tests and things like that. That's fair. I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, allegedly, sir, yeah, allegedly allegedly. Yeah, see, you're
Speaker 1: you're ready to move and shake is what I hear
Speaker 1: from around captain trade up. You know you do not
Speaker 1: support that. By the way, captain trade up is evil,
Speaker 1: opposite all my trading down is allowed. You would support
Speaker 1: it if it didn't take one of your picks away, right, Uh? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: I actually am pretty happy about picking at twenty four
Speaker 1: in this dram too, because when you ask me, like, hey,
Speaker 1: if you could trade up, and let's say it's six
Speaker 1: or eight spots, who would you pick? My answer is
Speaker 1: going to be one of the guys I'm planning to
Speaker 1: pick at twenty you would already pick there because the
Speaker 1: league's just going to sort it out for me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like the three names that I'll just keep throwing until
Speaker 1: they're all off the board. If they are Kenyon Green
Speaker 1: Texas A and M guard Nakobe Dean Georgia linebacker Tyler Linderbaum,
Speaker 1: Iowa center, there's a better than based on talking to
Speaker 1: my huge draft insider Dane Brugler last night, there's a
Speaker 1: better than fifty percent chance at one of those threes
Speaker 1: at twenty four. Yeah, and I'd be going up for
Speaker 1: one of them, and I don't have a giant preference
Speaker 1: between the three. I'd be thrilled with any of them,
Speaker 1: so I don't need to go. But if you wanted
Speaker 1: a corner or an offensive tackled, then yeah, then you
Speaker 1: could maybe one of those corners. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: really there's get Derek Stingley Stingley. Sure, yeah, people people
Speaker 1: are whispering about Stingley because and man, you just freaking
Speaker 1: gritted your teeth bigger than you guy. No. No, it's
Speaker 1: been two years plus since he put good tape out.
Speaker 1: I watched his tape from this year. He can still
Speaker 1: play UCLA game is pretty good. Still, he is still
Speaker 1: a sticky son of a bit. And there's the then
Speaker 1: there's the when he wants to party. See there you go.
Speaker 1: I mean again, and I ripped Kyle for doing that
Speaker 1: the other day. But what are you saying Stingley didn't
Speaker 1: like sports? Where you got him? No fourth round? Right?
Speaker 1: I got him in the fourth. I absolutely, it's funny.
Speaker 1: I'm him in the first. I think Stingley's an interesting
Speaker 1: conversation because he's got top three pick talent. Sure, but
Speaker 1: I could see him. I mean, he's not going to
Speaker 1: slide to like I would be shocked if he's there
Speaker 1: at twenty four. But he's the second corner off the board.
Speaker 1: I could see him sliding. I can't. I'd sell you
Speaker 1: what when I could be anywhere from nine or ten
Speaker 1: to twenty four. What I learned last night in talking
Speaker 1: with Dane and these conversations we always have with each other,
Speaker 1: is that his range on Linden Bomb was sixteen to thirty.
Speaker 1: He said, sixteen to thirty, And I go, is there
Speaker 1: is there a bigger gap of and may? He said,
Speaker 1: well maybe these quarterbacks, Maybe these quarterbacks will have a
Speaker 1: bigger spread. We're gonna get to that of where they
Speaker 1: can go. And I've kind of thinking, like sixteen to thirty.
Speaker 1: I'm like wow, because Linden Bomb's not gonna go to
Speaker 1: a gap blocking team, no, So it limits the options
Speaker 1: a little bit because you're gonna have a six foot two,
Speaker 1: two hundred ninety guy and you're gonna tell him, hey,
Speaker 1: your job is to stay off on the nose tackle
Speaker 1: and move him five yards. So your job is going
Speaker 1: to be we're running stretch, we're running zone. So that
Speaker 1: limits here. So when he when he go, when he
Speaker 1: goes to when he goes at eight, are we just
Speaker 1: going to look at each other and like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: had him right the whole time. And I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean seriously, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he
Speaker 1: goes eight. That's what I'm saying. The top ten player
Speaker 1: in the draft for me easily. Yeah, And that's what
Speaker 1: I mean. And you know, and you know Lancer Line
Speaker 1: another guy. Lance really knows these offensive lineman really really well.
Speaker 1: And he's like, listen, this is a top eight player
Speaker 1: on my board. But but again he's racked him at
Speaker 1: like thirty or thirty one exactly. Wow? Is that just
Speaker 1: because of sizes? A question marks there? Oh, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: He's a two hundred and ninety five pound guy, That's
Speaker 1: what he is. I'm loving this conversation. But before we lose,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I took you down a bad before. If
Speaker 1: the draft shows for wherever you know, Brian, you take
Speaker 1: us down great paths. But I sometimes you don't. I
Speaker 1: don't get the impression that any of y'all are sweating
Speaker 1: this uncertainty with these all pro caliber players on the
Speaker 1: Cowboys roster. It's it's to me, it's gonna work out either.
Speaker 1: You know, they're gonna do what they want to do
Speaker 1: and they're gonna ask Tank to take a pay cut,
Speaker 1: and he's going to tell him to know he's I'm not.
Speaker 1: And then if they move on from him, Tank probably
Speaker 1: feels like he could get two years forty million dollars.
Speaker 1: He could get twenty million a year from somebody out there.
Speaker 1: And if you could do that, you turn down your
Speaker 1: opportunity to make less, you say absolutely not, thank you,
Speaker 1: I'll move on and guaranteed money. Again, we talked more
Speaker 1: about Amari at the top, but what does that look
Speaker 1: like like? What is I think that's more cut and
Speaker 1: dry myself, and you just get that money to Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory and I think all today, I think that's the
Speaker 1: you know, then now it turns into okay, all the
Speaker 1: Jeff's going to give you a name, a bunch of
Speaker 1: names of really good wide receivers to think about this
Speaker 1: last June one him right. That way, you save nineteen,
Speaker 1: you save more money if they hit over two years,
Speaker 1: and in theory, you're saving nineteen this year, but you're
Speaker 1: also going to eat eight million next year. But again,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to if I know that I'm going to
Speaker 1: move on from him, I'm trying to use him as
Speaker 1: trade bait. I'm using him to go up instead of
Speaker 1: having to use a pick. I think if I want
Speaker 1: to go get one of those tackles Dane June one trade,
Speaker 1: you only save eight million. Post June one trade, you
Speaker 1: save nineteen Not to mention, I think tanks deal makes
Speaker 1: him harder to move. Yes, because you've you've read. Oh, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not thinking about
Speaker 1: the tank thing is either going to be Oh you
Speaker 1: were talking about I'm about trading. Yeah. The only one
Speaker 1: I really could think about was the Amri one myself.
Speaker 1: That I mean, that's the one that to me, that's
Speaker 1: a younger wide receiver and established what twenty seven? Yeah,
Speaker 1: established wide receiver, trying to help a team with a
Speaker 1: young quarterback. That's why targeted the Jets at ten. Now,
Speaker 1: have any of you considered the alternative to talking about
Speaker 1: a Mari or Tank being gone, which is some fans
Speaker 1: would like this team to be all in. So I
Speaker 1: went on over thecap dot com the other day. You
Speaker 1: flipped a bunch of switches. I checked everyone who you
Speaker 1: could restructure. I mean, if you just restructure everyone, yeah,
Speaker 1: you keep everyone, and you have fifty million dollars to spend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna hurt later. Wow, because we're moving Tank money money,
Speaker 1: Zeek money, Deck Money, Colin's money, Tiring money, Zac money.
Speaker 1: Two years down the road, it's gonna hurt. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: you're done. I'm at your getting the lake. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: would end up in Saints territory where your coach just
Speaker 1: quits because he's like, this doesn't look fun anymore, Gotta go.
Speaker 1: And it's like, wait, but you did this to our
Speaker 1: cap It's like, I gotta go on the TV. That's
Speaker 1: what you're supposed to do when you have a chance
Speaker 1: to get a championship. Though team just won twelve games,
Speaker 1: you don't have a chance to win a championship. I
Speaker 1: don't know if they're as close as the Saints were
Speaker 1: during that window of time. I'm just asking. I think
Speaker 1: you could probably find a medium there, right, you can
Speaker 1: find a balance. I would. I would reach. You can
Speaker 1: restructure Amar. I would restructure a Mari. I would do that.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to play without him in twenty twenty two?
Speaker 1: Am I crazy? No? You're not. I don't think you're
Speaker 1: crazy according to me or you or him or him. No,
Speaker 1: but we don't get to pick. I was gonna say
Speaker 1: that's not Brian. Brian makes the very apt point of
Speaker 1: like they're gonna do what they're gonna do. We're thirty
Speaker 1: one point two percent chance of Mary Cooper's here next year.
Speaker 1: There's a fi fifty four point two percent chance Tank's
Speaker 1: going to be here. He's good with these working with
Speaker 1: him on the radio. I think there's a better chance
Speaker 1: Tank is here because it's way easier to understand to
Speaker 1: Savings with why like with him, Yeah, Tank is with
Speaker 1: him to move. Yeah, with Tank, you're eating twice as
Speaker 1: much as you're saving. Right with Amar, you're saving two
Speaker 1: and a half times what you're eating. I just think
Speaker 1: it's much easier in terms of the math of what
Speaker 1: you're looking to do. Which one's easier to replace? Though,
Speaker 1: because I'm looking at the draft, I know neither one
Speaker 1: are going to be I'll tell you what though, this
Speaker 1: defensive theory or receivers the edge spot is a lot easier.
Speaker 1: Ryan's play tell me on George Carloft that way. I think.
Speaker 1: I think in theory, receiver is much easier to replace
Speaker 1: than good edge. No. To me, there's a couple of
Speaker 1: deep positions. I kind of you know we're talking last night.
Speaker 1: Linebacker is another one edge, linebacker, receiver, safety. I mean
Speaker 1: there's some good positions some you know, the Cowboys sitting
Speaker 1: right where there are. I think they're going to be fine.
Speaker 1: But again, if you want to go the only reason
Speaker 1: I would go up, in my opinion, is if I
Speaker 1: could get maybe the best corner or I could get
Speaker 1: the best offensive tackle out of this thing. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about, because I might have a chance of
Speaker 1: getting the center at my spot. Sure, I do think
Speaker 1: there's a plethora of wide receiver's bilaball all the time.
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna counter myself real quick, but you are
Speaker 1: talking wide receiver one like real life number one. Yes,
Speaker 1: a number one wide receiver about the time of that guy,
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, versus kind of my thing is ceedee lamb. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You tech the theoretically should have a wide receiver one.
Speaker 1: You do have one. You you drafted him at seventeen,
Speaker 1: he had over Mars gone. Now I need a wide
Speaker 1: receiver two and a wide receiver three. Well, if you
Speaker 1: don't keep a Mari or you, I think they would
Speaker 1: at least keep one or the other of Michael Gallop
Speaker 1: and or Cedric Wilson. So there's your two potentially maybe
Speaker 1: your three, and you're looking probably easier to keep than
Speaker 1: than Gallop. Thing I think. I think I think people
Speaker 1: realize that Gallop will be healthy and ready to go.
Speaker 1: I really just had surgery, I know, but I think
Speaker 1: you'll be I think people I'll be ready in August.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest. The Gang of Seven. I think I
Speaker 1: want to keep Gallop because I don't want Cedric Wilson
Speaker 1: in the way. Cedric Wilson's in the way because he
Speaker 1: plays in the slot, and that means CD's not in
Speaker 1: the slot, get in my way. I would very much
Speaker 1: I would prefer to keep Gallop, and I would love
Speaker 1: to try to do it on like a one or
Speaker 1: two year situation because of the injury. I mean, it
Speaker 1: sucks that he's hurt, but he's hurt the whole year.
Speaker 1: Whinny and receiving CORP could be Michael Gallop, Cede Lamb,
Speaker 1: and either Jalen Toilbert or John metchi Byam. I'm cool
Speaker 1: with that. And that's two. If you're three, are gonna
Speaker 1: like miss training camp probably, so I mean that cares
Speaker 1: about training camp. A lot of people we don't count
Speaker 1: games in training camp. That's fair all right, that's a
Speaker 1: lot to consider without a lot of answers. But I
Speaker 1: don't know, hopefully, I think it's important to just kind
Speaker 1: of lay that out at least these are conversations that
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Speaker 1: South Americans are good bull riders, Is that right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: The Brazilians are really really good at this bull riding stuff.
Speaker 1: I will take your word for it. North Americans too,
Speaker 1: don't know much about it. Good bull ridership. We're running
Speaker 1: late so I'm just gonna hop into it without any fanfare.
Speaker 1: Twitter on you just right off the rip man. That
Speaker 1: was late. It was a robust conversation. It's okay, No,
Speaker 1: we're staying on track saying was my fault? Yeah, screw you, guys.
Speaker 1: Andrew wants to Andrew wants you to compare Jabril Cox
Speaker 1: and Nakobe Dean. Are they similar or not similar players?
Speaker 1: I will say they are very not similar. I agree
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, Jabril Cox. If you're a draft nerd
Speaker 1: like we are, my Jabril Cox very optimistic comp is
Speaker 1: he played college ball like Fred Warner played college ball. Lanky, long, smooth,
Speaker 1: easy coverage guy, not necessarily a good run defender. Now
Speaker 1: Fred Warner has turned into that that's Jabril Cox. Like long, big,
Speaker 1: rangy but not fair to say, but not violent, physical
Speaker 1: run filler. You're drafting Jabril Cox or you drafted Jabril
Speaker 1: Cox for what he does away from the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: You're drafting Dean for what he does at the line
Speaker 1: of script. The biggest difference, the biggest difference in my opinion,
Speaker 1: is that when you watch Cox play at LSUE, he
Speaker 1: didn't always see it as quick. That was the thing.
Speaker 1: Once he saw it though, he was gone. He was
Speaker 1: gonna go get it with Dean. Dean sees it before
Speaker 1: it's happening, and then he's gone. That's the biggest difference.
Speaker 1: You talked about long, lanky and all that and tall
Speaker 1: one to six two one to six foot. You know
Speaker 1: there's a difference, but but they go to the ball.
Speaker 1: The thing about it is, though, it's the how he
Speaker 1: initially sees and diagnoses the play that's the biggest difference.
Speaker 1: In my view, it's a quick recognition and the first
Speaker 1: step ability. Dean is so downhill and so fierce whenever
Speaker 1: he does see that supercharged Nick Bolton. It's easy. It's
Speaker 1: easy to draw comparisons between guys that wear the same uniform.
Speaker 1: But and he's not as big, but Dean just reminds
Speaker 1: me of Roquan Smith the way that he's that right
Speaker 1: on the ball carrier the minute that gets the ball,
Speaker 1: like he's just always there. The toomp would be more
Speaker 1: between Devin Lloyd and Jabril Cox if you wanted to
Speaker 1: do a linebacker in this class. Again, I think Devin
Speaker 1: Lloyd is a better prospect because he is also good
Speaker 1: coming forward, making a much plays on the other side
Speaker 1: a line of scrimmage, but he's your longer coverage. I
Speaker 1: alluded to this in the first segment, but Mike just
Speaker 1: wants an idea of what you think about the safety
Speaker 1: class the top of it at least, and we talked
Speaker 1: about jet I think there's some really good safeties we've mentioned.
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton. I think he's a generational type safety. I
Speaker 1: think he's going to come in, be a starter and
Speaker 1: immediately be a star in this league. Even with some
Speaker 1: of the height and maybe some of the quickness or
Speaker 1: concerns just based off of how big he is for
Speaker 1: the position. I don't have any concerns. I think he's
Speaker 1: a phenomenal player. Dax Hill right there from Michigan as well,
Speaker 1: He's a phenomenal player. Lewis signed up at the top.
Speaker 1: Chiquon Brisker signed by the way from Georgia. Brisker from
Speaker 1: Penn State. And I really like Sterling Weatherford out of Miami, Ohio,
Speaker 1: so him at the Senior Bowl. Got to watch a
Speaker 1: little bit of tape of him last week, just kind
Speaker 1: have been passing. I haven't done a complete report on
Speaker 1: him yet, but I like some of the stuff I
Speaker 1: saw from him. Another long, lanky range safety. You can
Speaker 1: play over the top centerfield guy. I just think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of top heavy guys in this class. But
Speaker 1: you could go down the list, I know. Jokingly, the
Speaker 1: tongue in cheek was Jalen Petrie. Sure, I think there's
Speaker 1: guys in that range. Second, third, fourth round. The cam
Speaker 1: Taylor Britt out of Nebraska, Kirby Joseph out of Illinois.
Speaker 1: He moved him to safety from corner. Is what you did? Who?
Speaker 1: Taylor Britt? Yes? I did? Okay, Yeah, that's a lot.
Speaker 1: There's some people projecting that. Yeah, correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: I just get the sense Kyle Hamilton should be one
Speaker 1: of the first ten or twelve players picked. Yes, and
Speaker 1: then it sounds like the rest of the good safeties
Speaker 1: and wow, do we get to ten with the Jets.
Speaker 1: Now you're talking, that's exciting if you're telling me, you know,
Speaker 1: I watched like half of a game of Kyle Hamilton,
Speaker 1: Because I'll be honest, the guys who you're not gonna
Speaker 1: have a at I wouldn't hurry. I'm not so am
Speaker 1: I trying to watch watch Haydon Hutchinson last night for
Speaker 1: the first time. What do you think, because what do
Speaker 1: I care? Right, No, I'm because I'm agressive though he's
Speaker 1: very good. Yeah, I actually would take Thibadeau over Hutchins.
Speaker 1: I'm there too, but I had in that way as well. Um,
Speaker 1: I feel bad now I need to change that. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton, I was watching him. I was like, the
Speaker 1: six foot twenty pounder that keeps falling over, like, that's
Speaker 1: the top five player in this class. But I watched
Speaker 1: like a half of football. It's pretty good. Which game
Speaker 1: did you watch? He's pretty good because I think there's
Speaker 1: there's not a whole lot of wasted steps in his
Speaker 1: doesn't step Cincinnati? Yeah, yeah, I watched Cincinnati. Like, he
Speaker 1: makes one great play where he blitz his off the
Speaker 1: edge and jumps up in bats of ball down Like,
Speaker 1: holy crap, that's a condor that runs really fast. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm all on his tape the rest of
Speaker 1: the time. And then I'm watching other players and I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: he can't cover receivers. The stopping go isn't very good.
Speaker 1: He gets stuck in space. Um so I'm look, the
Speaker 1: whole world doesn't think a guy's a top five player
Speaker 1: and he's not good, So I just need to watch
Speaker 1: him more. Just put it out there. But well, the
Speaker 1: point I was gonna make is outside of him, the
Speaker 1: rest of these guys sound like thirty to sixty type
Speaker 1: of players like that range. Well, you know, I thought,
Speaker 1: well Hill might go before that. Yeah. The thing when
Speaker 1: I was watching Dax Hill play from Michigan, the first
Speaker 1: time I thought that was Dallas's pick at twenty four
Speaker 1: could be I tweeted about it. I'm like, I just
Speaker 1: watched Dallas's pick at twenty four. This was the first started,
Speaker 1: you know, in December looking at this playing guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like though two though, with the
Speaker 1: say and Dane made a really good point last night,
Speaker 1: is that maybe some of these guys that we think
Speaker 1: that might be twenty to twenty five or twenty to
Speaker 1: thirty five whatever, guys, if we I don't think we're
Speaker 1: going to get our normal number of first round players
Speaker 1: eighteen to twenty guys, Oh no, I have four or five, six, eight, nine, ten, eleven. Yeah.
Speaker 1: See what I'm saying, You're gonna be down maybe seven
Speaker 1: or eight guys. So guys that you thought about that
Speaker 1: might be you know, at seventeen, maybe Green might be
Speaker 1: that example guy. I think a lot of people have
Speaker 1: Green that guard for me and him in the round.
Speaker 1: If you don't, if you don't have some of those
Speaker 1: guys like that, Oh Widemeyer, the tied end from Texas
Speaker 1: A and M. I don't have him as a first
Speaker 1: round tight end, but he might be taking at twenty one,
Speaker 1: twenty two, twenty somewhere around around there. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, So let him go bring me Tray McBride. Well, no,
Speaker 1: that's I'm saying. They're plenty of I'm just saying though,
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of people that the number usually
Speaker 1: that number is eighteen to twenty A first round grades.
Speaker 1: And if you only have like Jeff's talking about, you
Speaker 1: have eleven to thirteen first round grades, that means there's
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of those guys like from fourteen
Speaker 1: on on your board. You're trying to tell me to
Speaker 1: prepare for chaos. Yes, oh yeah, this is gonna be fun.
Speaker 1: This one's good. We always say it's gonna be fun
Speaker 1: because the quarterbacks, but maybe the lack of them is
Speaker 1: gonna make it fun. Remind me to go back to
Speaker 1: the safeties, because that's the topic real quick, but just
Speaker 1: for fun because like the guys even I know it's
Speaker 1: early in mock drafts, who cares. They're just fun little exercises.
Speaker 1: But guys who are really plugged in, they look very different.
Speaker 1: You'll see Tyler Linderbaum in the top ten. Then you'll
Speaker 1: see him at thirty one. You'll see na Kobe Dean
Speaker 1: at number eight, and you'll see him at number twenty nine.
Speaker 1: You'll see Devin Lloyd, same thing. He goes twelve. Nope,
Speaker 1: he goes twenty six like Stingley. Is he gonna go
Speaker 1: three or is he gonna go eighteen? Like it's gonna
Speaker 1: be all over the place, and you'll just see what
Speaker 1: happens in the safety class. I think it's a good
Speaker 1: safety class. You mean the safety I like this. You
Speaker 1: have to see what happens because we are talking about ranges.
Speaker 1: Is there a chance that Kyle Hamilton, Daxton Hill, Jaquon Brisker,
Speaker 1: Jalen Petreet, Lewis Sene are all gone by the time
Speaker 1: you pick in the second round? Yeah? Yeah, But if not,
Speaker 1: one of those is a good second round pick. Kirby
Speaker 1: Joseph Can I get him in the third? The Illinois
Speaker 1: guy and still guys, I gotta watch. Yeah, but Verne
Speaker 1: McKinley out of Oregon. It's like Richie Grant and Travan
Speaker 1: Merrick all over again, except but in this case they
Speaker 1: were like safety two and three. Yeah, I'm talking about
Speaker 1: safety five and six. Yeah, it's fair. Actually, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have a shot at drafting a starting safety in the
Speaker 1: second and third round. This lends itself well to the
Speaker 1: next question, Sports two Trill wants to know that's his name?
Speaker 1: Love it best? A best case scenario. In a best
Speaker 1: case scenario for the Cowboys, how many of these quarterbacks
Speaker 1: could you realistically see going in the first twenty three picks?
Speaker 1: Three tops. I think corral will pick it. I don't
Speaker 1: know Willis. I don't know if people will like Willis
Speaker 1: as much as I like Willis. I think he's going
Speaker 1: to test really well. And it's quarterback starved league. Everybody's
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to trade for the or Watson
Speaker 1: or whatever the first one. We'll see what happens. You know,
Speaker 1: the Commanders Washington, give me another team that could take
Speaker 1: a quarterback. Three could be gone. About Minnesota, Oh, they
Speaker 1: they've already got well, they got the kids from Ay
Speaker 1: and m Yeah, and well, I guess Zimmer's gone. But
Speaker 1: Zimmer told you what he thought about Well, and I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what. Kellen Mond is okay in one school
Speaker 1: out there. Don't listen to this. He can't play in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Pick it out the quarterback. He couldn't complete
Speaker 1: passes outside the numbers in college football. It's true, he
Speaker 1: ain't playing the NFL. I'm looking at it. I mean
Speaker 1: New Orleans in there, New Orleans, Uh, Denver, Washington, Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: maybe Minnesota, maybe you maybe Cleveland, maybe Cleveland. You can
Speaker 1: get three. It could be there, you could get three gone.
Speaker 1: Or it could be an EJ manual year where one
Speaker 1: is gone. I mean, Howell's got a Howel's got him,
Speaker 1: How's got a shot? I think Hall and Pikett. I
Speaker 1: mean me personally, I have a Willis, Hall and Pickett.
Speaker 1: That's how I have my order. So at least two
Speaker 1: will be gone, and I bet three will be gone.
Speaker 1: I like where it's correct. That's the first one is
Speaker 1: the top one. The other three guys, I have the
Speaker 1: second round. Guys, gotcha? Jason has a Senior Bowl follow up?
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Daniel Fallele The gigantic Minnesota
Speaker 1: tackle and Darian Knard out of Kentucky. There's such a
Speaker 1: thing as too big. M You look around all terrified
Speaker 1: like that that's what he is. That's what he has
Speaker 1: on a radio heat steal like this is his way
Speaker 1: or not drop the grenade and then move. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I just I like, it's it's fun if you can
Speaker 1: be a nifty but as he six eight three idea
Speaker 1: or whatever. Nuts. But it's just like you're gonna and
Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong about this, but I've already seen things
Speaker 1: about the Jets where they're like, hey, McKay Beckton, wait
Speaker 1: where is he? And it's just like a giant guy
Speaker 1: who you guys can tell me how he did the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. My understanding was, sorry, I wasn't particularly impressed.
Speaker 1: I mean not that I got beat by all the
Speaker 1: quicker guys. I's just say that everybody who had any
Speaker 1: kind of spit speed coming off the edge and he
Speaker 1: kind of get off. Yeah, HiT's wwe. The problem is like,
Speaker 1: look at the guy like Neil and you understand why
Speaker 1: Neil was that big, and then the first round players
Speaker 1: and then you watch this kid and then you see
Speaker 1: the lack of foot quickness, and then that that's the
Speaker 1: thing that really that kind of takes you back, and
Speaker 1: he gets really tall out of his stance and it's
Speaker 1: hard for him to move. And Jeff's right, there's a
Speaker 1: point in time where you're too big. Evan Neil's as
Speaker 1: big as you're allowed to be. Yeah, when you're three
Speaker 1: fifty seven, it's a lot different than being like three
Speaker 1: seventy nine or whatever. This kid is. He's sure as
Speaker 1: hell looked. I mean, it's it was wild looking at him,
Speaker 1: like huddling up with the other guys and Trevor Quinning
Speaker 1: just looking across from each other. People people are going
Speaker 1: to talk about remember Orlando Brown coming out of Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Ye remember how I mean that's a guy that was
Speaker 1: six eight threety five pounds okay, and tested as the worst,
Speaker 1: tested as the worst athlete, and next thing you know,
Speaker 1: he's playing on Pro Bowl exactly. So for every time
Speaker 1: that you might think that these guys can't maybe the
Speaker 1: lack of foot quickness and all, someone's gonna remind you
Speaker 1: of Orlando Brown in that whole thing about can Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily think he lived up to the billing
Speaker 1: and mobile mostly because I think he's banged up. I
Speaker 1: think he's got a knee issue. He's wearing the braces
Speaker 1: on the knee. I mean, this is one of the
Speaker 1: most experienced guys in terms of college football and actual
Speaker 1: snaps throughout his career. I'm not impressed with the hand strength,
Speaker 1: with the quickness and the timing with his hands. I
Speaker 1: was a little I thought it left a little bit
Speaker 1: to be desired, especially when going up against guys like
Speaker 1: even Travis Jones and company throughout the Canard. So I
Speaker 1: don't know I was. I was going into it expecting
Speaker 1: him to be the best lineman there. I use the
Speaker 1: word lumber or lumberie or lumber six times. He doesn't
Speaker 1: look it's not a word I want, and my scouting
Speaker 1: doesn't look smooth. He he'll lock you up, he'll move you.
Speaker 1: He's strong as hell. Yeah, he lumbers. Yeah. The thing
Speaker 1: about it is the thing is the balance. I mean,
Speaker 1: you watch him and something. When his head goes down.
Speaker 1: He is toast, you know. I mean, and a lot
Speaker 1: of offensive lineman when they lunge or they get over extended,
Speaker 1: And a lot of has to do with what Kyle
Speaker 1: is talking about. Your hands, Will you put your hands
Speaker 1: hand placement, your punch, the ability to sit down with
Speaker 1: your bend your knees and stuff. And this kid he
Speaker 1: is You're right though, I mean he is massive. He
Speaker 1: gets movement in the running game. There's times you see
Speaker 1: him like guys can't get around him or through him.
Speaker 1: But then again, there's those balance issues that kind of
Speaker 1: like it's it's you great him on sixty play sixty
Speaker 1: five plays, five of the plays, it's like, oh God,
Speaker 1: what just happened kind of a thing. So I think
Speaker 1: I know why John asked this question based on our
Speaker 1: first segment. He notes that Amari Cooper what helped him
Speaker 1: so much here he was a very He was Dak friendly,
Speaker 1: He got open, he got separation, he made life easy
Speaker 1: on Dak is a Mari Dak friendly. He wasn't twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: for sure. I think was he Dak friendly in twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen or did it give you a good receiver? I mean,
Speaker 1: I think because like I feel like the thing with
Speaker 1: Dak is well, I love I love Dak. I'm a
Speaker 1: big Dak fan. But like Amari Cooper, I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people over the last couple of years you
Speaker 1: would have expected more catches, more yards. I think that's fair.
Speaker 1: I think, and Dak was hurt. My reasoning for this
Speaker 1: is Dak and I think his accuracy has improved over
Speaker 1: the years, But Amari Cooper was just a guy that
Speaker 1: was easy to get the ball too. Sure he'll get
Speaker 1: open in that. With that in mind, is there a
Speaker 1: receiver like that I get basically a route runner, a
Speaker 1: technician if you will, that you've seen in this draft class.
Speaker 1: One David Bell from Purdue just really yeah. He put
Speaker 1: up big numbers, wow, six foot two, two hundred and
Speaker 1: five pounds, and he I mean, he's one of those
Speaker 1: like traditional X receivers and he's he plays bigger, but
Speaker 1: he plays quicker than what he looks like even on
Speaker 1: paper with the two oh five. He has great route
Speaker 1: running ability, very sharp in his in his cuts, and
Speaker 1: I think he can catch the football pretty well, good
Speaker 1: pinpoint accuracy with the or being able to high point
Speaker 1: the ball. Good receiver. One of the three guys that
Speaker 1: I've watched, and so I'm pretty pretty solid about this guy.
Speaker 1: I feel good about him because he's better than the
Speaker 1: other two that I've watched. I kind of started, I'll
Speaker 1: give you a guy, I'll give a guy. We and
Speaker 1: we mentioned him because I wasn't. Tilbert is good. No,
Speaker 1: Tilbert can catch the ball. You're absolutely right about that.
Speaker 1: Is he a route runner though? Yes, yeah, he yes,
Speaker 1: Well I would say he, I would say vertical stuff.
Speaker 1: He's stuff is great. He's a technician, yeah, like he
Speaker 1: is one of those guys changed his speed. The reason
Speaker 1: that he gets open deep even though he's not a burner,
Speaker 1: is the same reason he gets open on other routes,
Speaker 1: which is he knows how to get to the corner.
Speaker 1: Get him, head up, stem him. If you want to
Speaker 1: use football space. He knows how to stem him. He
Speaker 1: knows how to change speeds in the route. He knows
Speaker 1: how to make you think I'm doing something I'm not.
Speaker 1: Jalen Tulbert, South Alabama, second round. I'm cool with it.
Speaker 1: I'll give you a guy. When I watched Drake London again,
Speaker 1: I talked about the USC side. I thought he was
Speaker 1: a bigger version of Adam falin. Holy cow, that's what
Speaker 1: I thought. Catching the football. He was listed at six five.
Speaker 1: There's no way he's six five, right. He's a big boys,
Speaker 1: a big boy. Adam Fealand is six two to a
Speaker 1: one when he came out. So but I thought he
Speaker 1: Like I said, I thought he was a bigger version
Speaker 1: of Adam Falin when I watched this guy play, because
Speaker 1: he lines up inside, outside, he catches the ball all
Speaker 1: over the field. It doesn't matter where it's thrown, it's coming.
Speaker 1: He's coming with it. I mean he's going to catch
Speaker 1: the ball easily. You talk about a guy that's very
Speaker 1: quarterback friendly, this kid right there, because USC struggles with
Speaker 1: a quarterback. They got all those high price guys out there,
Speaker 1: and they play him like you know, they shuffle him
Speaker 1: in and out. This guy they target him like thirteen
Speaker 1: fourteen times a game and he comes away with eleven
Speaker 1: twelve catches every single time. I mean, he is a
Speaker 1: guy when you watch him play what he I mean?
Speaker 1: I just you talk about a friendly quarterback, friendly player.
Speaker 1: That's the guy. And it's dumb to try to predict
Speaker 1: the exact range people are gonna go in. But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna throw out a name that I think is gonna
Speaker 1: fall between your first and second round pick, most likely
Speaker 1: Chris Olave. Yeah, that's the second one you mentioned. If
Speaker 1: you want a route runner and a technician and a
Speaker 1: smooth operator, that is the smoothest dude in this class.
Speaker 1: I love. We talked about this on Tuesday, but like
Speaker 1: he was, he was the name to know on Ohio
Speaker 1: State at the start of the year, and now he
Speaker 1: almost feels like an athlete. So we then know what
Speaker 1: the jigbo was. That's what I'm saying. And now it
Speaker 1: turns out that Garrett Wilson aren't as good as the
Speaker 1: one who's staying. I mean, yeah, it's like Alabama running back.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you Garrett, listen. Garrett Wilson is wide receiver
Speaker 1: one in this draft for me, wide receiver one, and
Speaker 1: he and he wasn't the best one on his college team.
Speaker 1: The my current defensive tackle number one is it Georgia?
Speaker 1: Maybe my DT one into my guy. They weren't the
Speaker 1: best defensive tackles on their team. Talked about this draft
Speaker 1: ineligible Jalen Carter. I want him, he wanted. Yeah. When
Speaker 1: twenty three drafts come back, three man, we tank this
Speaker 1: year for Jalen Carter. Tank the draft next year. We
Speaker 1: need to listen, Let's eat some dead money, get all
Speaker 1: the contracts off the books that get out of the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and let's try to get the top five next year
Speaker 1: and get Jalen Carter Georgia d tackle. Here we go.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I like what you're doing. Then
Speaker 1: thank you. I can I go back with the lobby
Speaker 1: real quick? Ye can we get for dad? H No,
Speaker 1: this isn't. This isn't. This team will let you talk
Speaker 1: about stuff like that, Believe it or not. Anybody else
Speaker 1: would get fired. Let's just want to run like the
Speaker 1: one to say one thing about a lobby real quick? Yeah,
Speaker 1: rush one a game that if the lobby Like most
Speaker 1: college players, it's like get one foot down and bounce
Speaker 1: kind of a guy. This guy's always getting two ten three.
Speaker 1: He knew he was gonna ge in the NFL. This
Speaker 1: guy knew he was gonna be an FL receiver. Every
Speaker 1: time you watch him tight throw whatever along the sidelines
Speaker 1: in zone corner whatever, two feet, two feet, two feet.
Speaker 1: He's not trying to just drag one. He's dragging. He's
Speaker 1: putting two downs knowing that. But he's a slight guy.
Speaker 1: I mean he's a six break tackles. Yeah, he's six
Speaker 1: to one, he's one hundred and eighty two pounds. I
Speaker 1: don't want to hear the slight stuff anymore after DeVante Smith,
Speaker 1: I mean no, but devant the differences. Davante Smith is
Speaker 1: a more explosive mover, so he can get off press
Speaker 1: and do a little more after catch like a love
Speaker 1: is super smooth, but he's not gonna really make you
Speaker 1: miss after I'm gonna run through an arm tackle. He
Speaker 1: might struggle against press. But if you tell me you
Speaker 1: can get him in the slot or get him a
Speaker 1: clean release, Chris Alove will be open or will him
Speaker 1: in the slot over ceedee lamb Because earlier you said
Speaker 1: you want to see to say no? Is that troubling trying?
Speaker 1: Can you make it interchangeable, you dude, make make it
Speaker 1: all work. Both play a little bit of every which
Speaker 1: is fine. You get a guy who can do both.
Speaker 1: Did you just trade Deak? Yeah, I was trying to
Speaker 1: get Jalen Cartere. Oh yeah, Georgia, and you'll know you will.
Speaker 1: You want of tackles that are about to be directing
Speaker 1: the first round, they're terrible when you're next to him.
Speaker 1: Eight years of doing this, you've learned you pick up
Speaker 1: other guys that you're trying to watch the one guy
Speaker 1: you're trying to study. Yeah, Jeff's trying to get rid
Speaker 1: of the franchise quarterback for a defensive tackle. Yeah, go
Speaker 1: after him on. I am clearly doing bits to express
Speaker 1: my love for that defense people. Yeah, exactly, that's all
Speaker 1: all right. I have a good one from Stephen, but
Speaker 1: Stephen just not know Stephen with a V could be okay.
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Speaker 1: wanted to talk about anyway, sort of. But Stephen, all right,
Speaker 1: so we'll start with we'll start with Steven's question, how
Speaker 1: do you pre free agency? We obviously know a lot's
Speaker 1: going to change, but how do you rank right now
Speaker 1: these needs? Receiver, linebacker, safety, edge right right right this second.
Speaker 1: I we can't predict what's going to happen between now
Speaker 1: and markets. Okay, this is going to change, and it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter because also the least valuable position of the
Speaker 1: group technically right now safeties number one and linebackers probably
Speaker 1: number two. Because you don't have enough on the roster.
Speaker 1: You go, um, just pure bodies. You need them, you
Speaker 1: gotta sign them. You gotta find a way to fill
Speaker 1: those holes prior to drag once we get to because
Speaker 1: otherwise you're starting safeties right now, Donovan Wilson and Israel
Speaker 1: Mquamo those would be your starting safe and you're starting
Speaker 1: linebackers would be Jabriel Cox and Micah Parsons, and you
Speaker 1: have Francis Bernard hanging out somewhere. And that's it. Um,
Speaker 1: you don't have enough players at those spots. They will
Speaker 1: fix that in free agency and this order will change.
Speaker 1: But today that's it. Well, Randy Gregor is a free agent,
Speaker 1: edges a needing and going back to its absolutely right
Speaker 1: receiver and edge. Again, this ties into what we talked
Speaker 1: about in the first segment. I just he said it's
Speaker 1: gonna if it changes. I'm terrified at what that could
Speaker 1: look like because right the second you could play receiver
Speaker 1: because you have a Marie Cooper, Ceedee Lamb Semi Fihoko.
Speaker 1: But what well and if you bring back Jabren Curse,
Speaker 1: this whole list could flip, because I away with you
Speaker 1: on the order, it could completely the diverse. It'll be
Speaker 1: a wide receiver first, then edge then okay. So now
Speaker 1: try to predict the future for me. What do you
Speaker 1: see it being when all is said and done, Wide
Speaker 1: receiver first, then going into into Okay, let's do most
Speaker 1: likely that they will plug with a body they believe
Speaker 1: is capable of starting, because in theory, they're going to
Speaker 1: get all of it filled in right, They're gonna get
Speaker 1: what they do. They'll get random free agents so that
Speaker 1: they can draft close to their board. Because of the
Speaker 1: way they seem to value safety, I would imagine they're
Speaker 1: going to bring at least one of them back, and
Speaker 1: safety will go away as one of your safety will
Speaker 1: become I think safety will become either three or four. Right,
Speaker 1: safety will probably go away. Colin, I think I think
Speaker 1: Malik Hooker is a starter here next year. I think
Speaker 1: Hooker and Curse are back. In my opinion, I don't
Speaker 1: know about Curse, and the reason why Curse would stay
Speaker 1: is because I think he would take a little bit
Speaker 1: less money than he could get elsewhere just to be
Speaker 1: back with dan Quinn and when market value what we
Speaker 1: think it is, like, we know we had a good year.
Speaker 1: Does the league think that he had a good year?
Speaker 1: And I don't know. Well if also, you might be
Speaker 1: in a situation too. We're talking about all these safeties
Speaker 1: in the draft. Somebody might say, we don't need to
Speaker 1: go get this guy. I mean, I just look at
Speaker 1: it in the sense that Curse is a seventh year
Speaker 1: VET drafted in the sixth round. He signed here for
Speaker 1: one mill, Like, he's never had a real NFL payday,
Speaker 1: and so if somebody offers him something I could, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna, I would take it. He's gonna. He's like,
Speaker 1: this might be the only chance I ever have to
Speaker 1: make good NFL money. But why couldn't you get that
Speaker 1: here though, because dan Quinn could go across the hall
Speaker 1: and say, I need We don't have no money. I know,
Speaker 1: I know, but whatever everything brands out, Yeah, maybe that's
Speaker 1: probably right. Let me ask you this, though, guys, the
Speaker 1: number one need if if all things flip, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be wide receiver. I agree because left guard. Well, you're yeah,
Speaker 1: you were talking about earlier and you mentioned you mentioned
Speaker 1: about the whole thing about the the core back and
Speaker 1: blocking all that stuff like that. If this guy's got
Speaker 1: nobody to throw the ball too, Yeah, you gotta help
Speaker 1: your quarterback, right. Yeah, we saw what receiver by committee.
Speaker 1: You and I lived receiver by committee first. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: lived like eight weeks every Yeah, we live that. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you want, if you want to throw, if you
Speaker 1: want to throw in the sneaky it's not a sneaky need.
Speaker 1: But the left guard spot is a need unless unless
Speaker 1: they address it with putting their golden child at right
Speaker 1: tackle and moving Lyle Collins the left guard. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's where that's where this thing can that. They could
Speaker 1: take everything out of now adding a guy or two, sure,
Speaker 1: let's do it. But as far as a need, if
Speaker 1: they move Collins, that's going to take them out of
Speaker 1: draft in a green or somebody like that. I believe bold,
Speaker 1: my bold prediction, or you can tell me if it's bold.
Speaker 1: One of their first three picks, and quite possibly two
Speaker 1: is going to be a receiver. I don't think that
Speaker 1: they one or two they will pick up there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're looking at receiver. I don't think that's that bold
Speaker 1: because I think I mean, here, I thought I brought
Speaker 1: something spicy, bold, and tangy to the table. Anything's tell
Speaker 1: me it's bland. If you would have said that in
Speaker 1: the middle of season, it would have been bold. If
Speaker 1: you would have said that in week fourteen. Yeah, hey,
Speaker 1: they're gonna go get a wide receiver in the first
Speaker 1: three rounds of the draft. I'm just not OPTI I'm
Speaker 1: just not optimists. This glass between us, I can't get
Speaker 1: to you. Do you have good reach your former offensive
Speaker 1: ya might cut might cut your arms down by your
Speaker 1: kneecat got me on two foot you reach gyle over here.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I don't know. It's it's early,
Speaker 1: but I just think the writings on the wall, I
Speaker 1: just think that's the one kind of the one position.
Speaker 1: Or maybe you can give me another one where you're like,
Speaker 1: I promise you their first three picks, this position will
Speaker 1: be kind of still offensive line. I still kind of
Speaker 1: feel like linebackers in that too. I would say, honestly,
Speaker 1: odds we hit them all there, offensive line, wide receiver,
Speaker 1: and linebacker or think order. I think there's a high
Speaker 1: chance at that. When do you think they would have
Speaker 1: to make a decision about Elsie if that's going to happen,
Speaker 1: and I have heard no mblings from anybody to give
Speaker 1: him the whole offseason to do it. I'm saying, yeah, see,
Speaker 1: we won't. You won't hear that because we need to
Speaker 1: be smarter about the questions that we might ask when
Speaker 1: that pre draft meeting about moving guys around, You know
Speaker 1: that mean we might not see this until we get
Speaker 1: out there to the OTA practice and they're already and
Speaker 1: then Lyle Collins's plan out. You just called me out,
Speaker 1: but make it a point to ask about it. No, no,
Speaker 1: But but I'm also saying this, though the question needs
Speaker 1: to be asked, is there any consideration of moving see
Speaker 1: to me after after the failure of the second time, well,
Speaker 1: I really want to failure. But when after after they
Speaker 1: moved McGovern out, I would have gone ahead and put
Speaker 1: Collins over at guard and put Steel at right tackle,
Speaker 1: just to see, give me fourth, Hey, we're not running
Speaker 1: the ball, we're really not protecting. Is it really the
Speaker 1: problem at the left guard spot? And I would have
Speaker 1: I would have at least looked at that to kind
Speaker 1: of get an idea. But to me personally, like I said,
Speaker 1: if you go up in this draft, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: get one of those tackles, and I'm gonna move Collins
Speaker 1: to the left guard. That's what I'm gonna do. That's
Speaker 1: that's the guy I'm going for if I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try and fix this office. So you're because my scenario
Speaker 1: is Charles Cross. Yeah. Yeah, if I'm gonna go, I'm
Speaker 1: going I'm gonna get one of these tackles and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna and then what happens when the left tackle breaks down,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Cross. I'm gonna move him the other side,
Speaker 1: and I got still and I'm gonna plug him in.
Speaker 1: You know, That's what I'm gonna do. I was starting
Speaker 1: to get excited, and then I remembered that this future
Speaker 1: doesn't involve Amari Cooper and that bummed me out a
Speaker 1: little bit. Yep, not gonna lie. Trade down pig Zion
Speaker 1: Johnson captain trade down to my early captain trade down dream.
Speaker 1: Would he be your trade back guy? Yeah? Austin college
Speaker 1: guard Zion Johnson. Yeah. I think some NFL teams will
Speaker 1: have him as their top guard based on listening to people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I love it wrong. So yeah, Zion Johnson, you
Speaker 1: move down. Find me a way to get another second
Speaker 1: rounder or early third or whatever. Another thing to just
Speaker 1: throw in here. And I mentioned this a moment ago,
Speaker 1: But if you're doing these two scenarios and you're fixing
Speaker 1: the guard spot in the tackle spot and you're a
Speaker 1: little bit thin at wide receiver, you're also going back
Speaker 1: to Tyler Beiottish at center again for an entire NFL season?
Speaker 1: Am I crazy? If I don't think that's a big deal.
Speaker 1: I think it's Well, that's what I'm asking is it's
Speaker 1: not It's not a terrible idea. If I could draft
Speaker 1: Tyler Linderbaum, I would do it in a heartbeat because
Speaker 1: he's Tyler Linderbaum. Because but I do think I think
Speaker 1: it's easy. You're probably not upgrading it. So that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think it's easy to just dog Tyler
Speaker 1: Beotish Like. I don't think he's like just this problem
Speaker 1: that ruined their offense, you know, and that's kind of
Speaker 1: it took turns being problems. No he's not. He'sn't all
Speaker 1: on Williams and mcgovernor. He's not Travis Frederick. But I
Speaker 1: don't think like, if they don't upgrade that position, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna like sink their offense. I kind
Speaker 1: of feel like that there's some centers there. This Alec
Speaker 1: Lendstrom from Boston College. Yeah, I kind of feel like
Speaker 1: that if they're really looking for a guy, there's I mean,
Speaker 1: if you miss out on linder I have him the
Speaker 1: third Okay, so that's what I was saying. I mean
Speaker 1: him and the Parum guy from Memphis. I know that's
Speaker 1: a conversion from a guard to the center spot, and
Speaker 1: it might be a little bit of a flip there,
Speaker 1: but I kind of feel like that there's there's like
Speaker 1: third round guys if they're really interested, if they miss
Speaker 1: out on Linderbaum, there's some centers that could be just
Speaker 1: as good as what you're what you're playing with right now.
Speaker 1: Jeff joked about this on Tuesday. I don't joke, is
Speaker 1: that right? Did our guy Green play center at all
Speaker 1: at A and M I know he played tackle. I
Speaker 1: don't believe he played all five spots, but never Dane
Speaker 1: said that last Yeah, Dane said all five spots. I
Speaker 1: talk at YouTube dot com so last Jeff Cavanaugh, Yeah
Speaker 1: that thing baby, Oh yeah, YouTube page. We did a
Speaker 1: draft thing last night with Dane Um. I didn't think
Speaker 1: he did, but I I don't see either. I didn't
Speaker 1: see him. I said he played right guard, left guard,
Speaker 1: right tackle, left tause I've seen him play. I've seen
Speaker 1: him playing all four. I've seen him played tackle against Alabama,
Speaker 1: and I've seen him play guard against LSU. You know
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, thinking out loud, that's all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I see if I can figure out the Kenyon Green
Speaker 1: see if he ever played center. Yeah, I've never seen
Speaker 1: it with my own eyes. I have not either, and
Speaker 1: I don't think he did last year. But that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that he didn't at some point. Because he can
Speaker 1: play wherever, and he's a badass. I think I wouldn't
Speaker 1: mind doing that, Like, I mean, trade back with Zion
Speaker 1: for Zion no pick Green at twenty four? Oh okay?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean, And I do want to say,
Speaker 1: position flex means nothing if you're not awesome. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just want that out there. Two. They tell you about
Speaker 1: position flex, like this guy can play some guards, some tackle. No,
Speaker 1: most guys that they tell you about position flex, it
Speaker 1: means he can't play. Kenyan Green can play all of
Speaker 1: them because he can play. Zach Martin could play left
Speaker 1: tackle tomorrow. You know why, because he can play. It's
Speaker 1: kind of a guard, kind of a tackle. He can't play.
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons can rush the pass because he's Micah Parson,
Speaker 1: because I can play. Along that line, we can probably
Speaker 1: put like Connor McGovern as center to bed can't play
Speaker 1: because wouldn't you have done it by now? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like he doesn't have play. I believe, I believe you
Speaker 1: have to be anything. I don't think Joe Philbin was
Speaker 1: a big fan of his. Yeah, that that was a
Speaker 1: problem certainly doesn't seem that way. I'm not a big
Speaker 1: fan of shows. This was fun, guys. We got into
Speaker 1: the weeds a little bit very I'm we're gonna call
Speaker 1: this the hypothetical show. Good conversation, This is a good
Speaker 1: draft show. Thank you. I want you to know that
Speaker 1: you did a great job. Absolutely bring bring trade up
Speaker 1: for you, and bring you would trade up for me? Yeah,
Speaker 1: take your adder all before the show every week. By
Speaker 1: the way, Kenyan Green one snap career at center. Bam
Speaker 1: played all five. He played, He played all five, but
Speaker 1: he count one snap and it was in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, gentlemen, uh enjoy the weekend. I'll see
Speaker 1: you back here on Tuesday morning. We'll figure out. You know,
Speaker 1: we'll probably talk about some draft prospects if I had
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