Speaker 1: What's up? And welcome back to another episode of No
Speaker 1: Sealer's Podcast with your hosts now fuck that with your
Speaker 1: loaw glasses Malone. See this is why I need to
Speaker 1: get a new spot though. Yeah, yeah, I'm on the camera,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I got I gave you a straight look
Speaker 1: so when you uh so, when you talk, I can
Speaker 1: switch you straight up to like you, I got a
Speaker 1: broad one of both of us. Right then, I got
Speaker 1: you right here, gotcha? So you're the start of the show.
Speaker 2: Well, I hate to disappoint the fans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you California, Pete.
Speaker 2: Sorry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's crazy is right? Is is like this next year,
Speaker 1: I have to make it like a habit of going,
Speaker 1: like I have to start figuring out how we're gonna
Speaker 1: take the podcast to a visual because you're missing, Like,
Speaker 1: these motherfuckers are so crazy. I don't think they like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is gonna sound fucked up. Cun But I don't
Speaker 1: know if people are intelligent enough to just listen and
Speaker 1: read anymore.
Speaker 2: I think that ship sailed about a generation and a
Speaker 2: half ago.
Speaker 3: That for.
Speaker 2: Minimum, the bell curve is now upside down.
Speaker 1: I can't be that bad. That's fucking crazy, Dog I.
Speaker 2: Don't know what it depends. I think there's a segmented
Speaker 2: categories of the population for whom that's true, but it's
Speaker 2: also true in segments of people's own existence. Like some
Speaker 2: people might tap into hero what we're talking about in
Speaker 2: lieu of what should otherwise be background noise for them,
Speaker 2: so they don't really they aren't engaged appropriately, So that
Speaker 2: can create a problem if we're talking about stuff that
Speaker 2: requires higher engagement, or other people just never engage, so
Speaker 2: they might try and they're just gonna fuck it up
Speaker 2: because it's like there's no muscle memory.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think this whole narrative because about
Speaker 1: attention spans be as shorter as fluff. I think if
Speaker 1: you give people the opportunity to make information convenient in
Speaker 1: shorter packages, you know human beings for sure gonna take
Speaker 1: advantage of convenience every time. Like as a parent, like right,
Speaker 1: I don't have no kids, you don't have no kids,
Speaker 1: but I get why when parents are driving home and
Speaker 1: they have they like five or six year old in
Speaker 1: the car and about three miles away, the kids see
Speaker 1: the golden arch be two miles away, see their golden arch,
Speaker 1: and they pointing and you know, you got to feed
Speaker 1: this kid. You know, you got to feed this kid.
Speaker 1: And it's like that McDonald's is convenient, even though you
Speaker 1: don't think it represents a full supply or a full
Speaker 1: quality of nourishment.
Speaker 2: That's a perfect parallel to to to what we're talking about,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, I think the biggest crisis is
Speaker 2: we're in a discipline deficit culture because there's I'll say
Speaker 2: this much for sure, there is no conversation about a
Speaker 2: lack of attention span in video games and pornography. No
Speaker 2: one says, no one can, no one can follow the
Speaker 2: poorn all the way to the nut. No one says
Speaker 2: that it's always no one can sit still and have
Speaker 2: the discipline to do what they don't want to do
Speaker 2: at a low bandwidth stimulation, which a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: that you don't you know, it would be like watching
Speaker 2: a machine move heavy objects for an hour and a half.
Speaker 2: Are going to the gym and working them out. You're
Speaker 2: going to grow from one more than the other. You know,
Speaker 2: people don't want to do the other part, so you
Speaker 2: don't think like.
Speaker 1: That's probably the same issue in school today with it
Speaker 1: being overcrowded, like because you're trying to make education convenient, right,
Speaker 1: so you put seventy students in the classroom with one teacher,
Speaker 1: you know, teaching, especially in the time. When me in
Speaker 1: Head and Salas always debate this, I always tell them
Speaker 1: I don't think people are stupid. People aren't incapable of learning.
Speaker 1: I think people are distracted. I think people are ignorant,
Speaker 1: they don't know. I don't think most people are incapable
Speaker 1: of learning. I think it's hard for people to relay
Speaker 1: the information. Like maybe everybody don't learn the same fucking way,
Speaker 1: but sure for the most part.
Speaker 2: So I think the reality with education that people don't
Speaker 2: want to say structure. Really, education is designed to cater
Speaker 2: to the teachers, not to the students.
Speaker 1: What period, what run.
Speaker 2: Gee the whole way that the educational paradigm from a
Speaker 2: teaching methodology standpoint, from a what do you call it?
Speaker 2: Curriculum standpoint, all of that stuff is designed for the teacher.
Speaker 2: It's not designed for the student. And that's that's one
Speaker 2: thousand percent sure, because who, well, who are come? Who
Speaker 2: runs education? The teachers' unions.
Speaker 1: Do gotta be systems. The teacher, trust me does not
Speaker 1: cater the teachers don't make enough money to be bullshit.
Speaker 2: They make a pantload of money. They make a ton
Speaker 2: of money, Yeah, they do. They make a ton of money.
Speaker 1: How much does the average high school teacher make?
Speaker 2: People at least in the seventies. But the problem with
Speaker 2: that is they are gonna make in the seventies for
Speaker 2: thirty years a year until after they die. They're given
Speaker 2: the benefit of a million dollar nest egg of investment perpetuity,
Speaker 2: year after year after year till they die.
Speaker 1: Is for the fucking future of the fucking world. Yeah
Speaker 1: that really fag Okay, here a doctor, a doctor makes
Speaker 1: five hundred thousand.
Speaker 2: A doctor's investment in himself is five fucking times greater.
Speaker 1: But I'm not I'm not even disagreeing with the Okay,
Speaker 1: no silans. Well here's here's no silance hold on JL
Speaker 1: My nigga Pete is in California live and we started
Speaker 1: to trying to figure out the visuals for everybody. We
Speaker 1: got a lot of work to do, so just bear withoos.
Speaker 2: Dog what I when I say it won't to not
Speaker 2: tangent off. It is difficult. Not everybody who ice skates
Speaker 2: through a bachelor's degree in education and whatever the hell
Speaker 2: certification thing it is, which is not hard?
Speaker 1: That's hard.
Speaker 2: No, it's not, moms.
Speaker 1: How much of the population is getting a bachelor's degree.
Speaker 2: Any idiot can get a bachelor's God damn Jesus Christ,
Speaker 2: are you kidding me? I could line up twenty morons
Speaker 2: in my phone got bachelor's degrees that I swear to God.
Speaker 2: I don't know how the hell they could make it
Speaker 2: across the street without killing themselves. I'd be a miracle
Speaker 2: if they could navigate their way through traffic on foot
Speaker 2: to the seven to eleven. They do it all for you, anyway,
Speaker 2: be that isn't me. Comparatively speaking, In the confine of
Speaker 2: transmitting curriculum to the student mind, the lowest denominator of
Speaker 2: ability for the transmitter being the teacher, is the way
Speaker 2: that things are taught. It's no more clear than in mathematics.
Speaker 2: It's here's the equation. Don't learn the engineering behind the equation.
Speaker 2: Learn how to do what do they say? Plug and play?
Speaker 1: But that's how you have to You cannot teach people,
Speaker 1: Pete how to think. That's something me and you have
Speaker 1: this debate on the time, because you have to be
Speaker 1: gifted with the ability to know how to think, how
Speaker 1: to think. I think college tries its best to do
Speaker 1: a better job, like from the people I know that
Speaker 1: went to college and watching their work and their work.
Speaker 1: I've helped people in college a lot of different people, right,
Speaker 1: and to me, what they try to do is further thought,
Speaker 1: and like, okay, let me further thought. Let me show
Speaker 1: people how to think further College is really also about somebody.
Speaker 1: Chris made a good point to me, college is about networking.
Speaker 1: So it is about learning how to think better and
Speaker 1: more efficiently, right, and then networking.
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, college is all about brand association. That's all
Speaker 2: it's about. Not just all yeah. Yeah, there's very very
Speaker 2: few things that are happening on a college campus that,
Speaker 2: for what is actually being brought to you information wise,
Speaker 2: is transmittable effectively, very very few.
Speaker 1: So how do you feel about college? For real?
Speaker 2: I'm not good. I think that at least three fourths
Speaker 2: of what's going on in academia as a giant waste
Speaker 2: of everyone's fucking time and money.
Speaker 1: Seriously, So you don't think college is a beneficial thing?
Speaker 2: No, there's there is an there are there's what four
Speaker 2: trillion dollars an aggregate student debt that would agree with me?
Speaker 1: So then why is everybody going to college.
Speaker 2: Because it's a beautiful marketing scheme. It is marketing on
Speaker 2: an expired paradigm that people don't haven't critically been able
Speaker 2: to analyze and understand that this reached critical mass twenty
Speaker 2: years ago, and now people are just going and picking
Speaker 2: up pieces of paper with no value from itutions of
Speaker 2: no value, and paying through their nose to do so.
Speaker 2: And a lot of it also has to do with
Speaker 2: the fact, like my big prison people like to talk about,
Speaker 2: like you know, the housing crisis was the product of
Speaker 2: what's the term they use, predatory lending, right as if
Speaker 2: bankers were going door to door trying to solicit you
Speaker 2: and people weren't walking into their bank. The real predatory
Speaker 2: lending in this country is somebody from a university going
Speaker 2: to a minor where they are a captive audience at
Speaker 2: their high school where by law, by truancy law, they
Speaker 2: are not allowed to leave, and pitching them into a
Speaker 2: commitment to go to college where they will sign for
Speaker 2: a financial document that will thrust them into tens of
Speaker 2: thousands of dollars of debt that they've committed to as
Speaker 2: a miner. That is called predatory lending. If you did
Speaker 2: that for pussy, they'd call you a predator. If I,
Speaker 2: at thirty eight years old went to a high school
Speaker 2: and solicited pussy from sixteen year olds, I'd be a predator.
Speaker 2: They aren't allowed to leave. You do it for fucking
Speaker 2: eighty thousand dollars and a degree from cal State Sambordino
Speaker 2: wherever the fucking psychology. Then all of a sudden, oh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: it's not predatory, it's beneficial.
Speaker 1: So the education is not worth the money.
Speaker 2: No, very few cases, very few cases.
Speaker 1: What if you're going to be a psychologist.
Speaker 2: How many bachelors in psychology actually become a psychologists?
Speaker 1: But isn't that a choice on a student for deciding
Speaker 1: that that's what they want to do with their time.
Speaker 2: It is, and it isn't because the way it's pitched
Speaker 2: to the minor, when they are, by truancy law, forced
Speaker 2: to sit and listen to it, they aren't told that.
Speaker 2: There's nobody breaking out a chart saying if you choose
Speaker 2: this major, here's what you're gonna make. If you choose
Speaker 2: this one, here's what you're gonna make. Here's what you
Speaker 2: have to do after completing your bachelor's degree to make
Speaker 2: this in this field ABCD known. It's not presented, the
Speaker 2: information is not presented with held.
Speaker 1: But at that point, isn't it your job to go
Speaker 1: get the information?
Speaker 2: It is, it is your job, but you know there's
Speaker 2: two sides to that. It's your job to get the information.
Speaker 2: But also, if you're being told where's the information, it's
Speaker 2: at the counselor's office, and then the counselor gives you
Speaker 2: shit information, you're kind of cotton a rut.
Speaker 1: So that's the only thing that you remember. College is
Speaker 1: good for. It's just networking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's only as good as the institution that
Speaker 2: you're at.
Speaker 1: Oh Man, for sure, it is gonna get us canceled.
Speaker 2: Good, we should get us canceled. So half the colleges
Speaker 2: in the country should be canceled as well.
Speaker 1: Why they should they be canceled for everything I just said,
Speaker 1: beat you a sick DoD dog.
Speaker 2: It's too bad more people don't listen. Do you just
Speaker 2: kill us?
Speaker 1: I don't even know what to say.
Speaker 3: Dog.
Speaker 2: You want to know what's interesting? Yeah, Well I went
Speaker 2: to this computer coding class. I spent a few thousand
Speaker 2: dollars on it, so that I could find out that
Speaker 2: I was so far behind as a technologically speaking in
Speaker 2: my mid thirties that I couldn't keep up with the class,
Speaker 2: so I was able to retain some of my money
Speaker 2: and leave. The class was full without exception of recent
Speaker 2: graduates in the field of computer science with bachelor's degrees
Speaker 2: from cal State Fullerton, cal State Long Beach in cal
Speaker 2: State LA. Everybody had just walked out of just walked
Speaker 2: off camps with a degree in computer science to go
Speaker 2: spend fifteen thousand dollars to learn how to code. So
Speaker 2: what the fuck were they doing for four years? What
Speaker 2: the fuck were they doing? Oh me, thirty people in
Speaker 2: a room. One guy didn't go to fucking college for
Speaker 2: computer science in the last five years and get a
Speaker 2: fucking degree. Everybody else got a degree in the field,
Speaker 2: And what are they running to do? I need to
Speaker 2: go to a coding crash course class so I can
Speaker 2: learn how to fucking get a job in the next
Speaker 2: six months for fifteen thousand out of my pocket. You
Speaker 2: have gotta be fucking kidding me. What an absolute indictment
Speaker 2: on every one of those institutions you soaked up ninety
Speaker 2: thousand dollars per head. So that they could run out,
Speaker 2: throw another fifteen in the tank because they needed to
Speaker 2: do something that could get them a job in the
Speaker 2: field of their study. Man, get the fuck out of here,
Speaker 2: Get the whole fuck out of here.
Speaker 1: So, in the perfect world, what does college look like?
Speaker 2: In the perfect world, college looks like people with a
Speaker 2: very deliberate plan, with very deliberate specific majors, going and
Speaker 2: pursuing a pathway to that career, end through that institution
Speaker 2: by that pathway, not going and whatever, and not being
Speaker 2: saddled with eighty units worth of general ed crap. They
Speaker 2: got to pay for that. No one gives a fuck about.
Speaker 2: I mean shit, the girl I go out with in Miami,
Speaker 2: she was just saying, like, Oh, I liked college. I
Speaker 2: got to meet a lot of people. I got to
Speaker 2: take weightlifting. They brought you here from the Dominican Republic
Speaker 2: on a scholarship so she could learn how to go
Speaker 2: to the fucking gym. You gotta be shitting me. You
Speaker 2: could have met people at a bus stop, but.
Speaker 1: You don't think that has no value at all. Somebody
Speaker 1: teaching you about muscles and all of that stuff properly.
Speaker 2: Not at that price. You can go to the fucking
Speaker 2: gym and give for a couple hundred dollars, get a
Speaker 2: personal trainer for a couple sessions, and learn how to
Speaker 2: do some basic shit.
Speaker 1: So you think the marketing of college is what everybody's
Speaker 1: paying for.
Speaker 2: People are paying for the brand. The reality is most people,
Speaker 2: particularly when you're younger, you don't have the ability to
Speaker 2: put forth something that can demonstrate your value to the
Speaker 2: greater marketplace independent of just holding a piece of paper
Speaker 2: and saying that guy says I'm viable, because that's all
Speaker 2: that it is.
Speaker 1: But you don't think it even proves a point that
Speaker 1: you can.
Speaker 2: Here's a great example of all the people I ever
Speaker 2: knew in my life. One guy makes way more money
Speaker 2: than anybody else. This is a dude who grew up
Speaker 2: in Newport, kind of most mostly like you know, his
Speaker 2: mom died when he was in middle school. His dad
Speaker 2: worked kind of abroad, so we had a lot of
Speaker 2: time to himself, got into computers in the nineties. He
Speaker 2: went to cal State Fords and got himself a degree
Speaker 2: in psychology because he wanted to have gone to college
Speaker 2: because of his LinkedIn and his I forgot what the
Speaker 2: other There's a couple databases and things where like if
Speaker 2: you're a computer like real dedicated coder and developer, you
Speaker 2: can He's never done shit site that. I don't know
Speaker 2: what the fuck he did that for. I don't know
Speaker 2: why if he paid for the education, what did he
Speaker 2: pay for it?
Speaker 1: I said, what if he paid what if he thought
Speaker 1: the education itself was worth as much money just to
Speaker 1: be informed and educated on the particular subject. Isn't that
Speaker 1: what college is for? No, you don't pay.
Speaker 2: That's what the library is for and the internet.
Speaker 1: But that's just a cheaper way to obtain the same
Speaker 1: thing education.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's the college is not a hobby. It can't
Speaker 2: be right, should you be so blessed? Yeah, it's a
Speaker 2: hobby for Bronnie James. College is a hobby for Bronnie James.
Speaker 1: College is a hobby for fucking crying. So what do
Speaker 1: you anyway?
Speaker 2: Long story short, guy never did a goddamn thing with
Speaker 2: anything he ever learned in cal State Fullerton. He was
Speaker 2: able to put up a bunch of demonstrations of the
Speaker 2: various stuff he was able to produce in software. And
Speaker 2: the guy makes probably seven figures now on salary. He's
Speaker 2: what the senior he's a senior software engineer at a
Speaker 2: publicly traded company worth multiple billions of dollars. Meanwhile, while
Speaker 2: I was in class trying to learn how to fucking
Speaker 2: develop software and shit like that with thirty other people
Speaker 2: who had all gotten computer science degrees and couldn't get
Speaker 2: their fucking a head from their ass wired straight. So
Speaker 2: I had to spend another fifteen grand after market. What
Speaker 2: are we talking here?
Speaker 1: I'm just confused, so were the rest of them.
Speaker 2: There's four trillion dollars worth of Vagagate student debt laying
Speaker 2: on the shoulders of other people that are confused.
Speaker 1: So you think college as a whole is a complete sham,
Speaker 1: This is what you're saying to me.
Speaker 2: But I think that colleges have bloated themselves into being
Speaker 2: a majority big scam. I think that there's a lot
Speaker 2: of agendas happening on college campuses. That is its own conversation.
Speaker 2: But by and large, they just continue to add these
Speaker 2: various dot dot dot hyphen studies all up and down,
Speaker 2: you know, the course catalog that are non monetizable. It's
Speaker 2: just stupid hobby nonsense that in the universities get paid
Speaker 2: the money up front by the taxpayers and then the
Speaker 2: students threw on the hook to pay the taxpayers back
Speaker 2: on the back end with interest for what I mean, Well,
Speaker 2: you learned ancient Russian history. Yep, b have a great
Speaker 2: time in ancient Russia.
Speaker 1: But what if that's what you paid for antient Russian history?
Speaker 2: Then you got screwed over by somebody who told you
Speaker 2: you can do you can study whatever the hell you
Speaker 2: want and there'll be a benefit.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get mook a Mike, so tell moo why
Speaker 1: college is the greatest scam in life.
Speaker 2: All right, We're gonna try to wind this back again,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna try to, you know, start from the
Speaker 2: start from genesis here. Also, yeah, I'll start from from
Speaker 2: from zero zero. My initial point is, like you remember,
Speaker 2: back in two thousand and eight housing crisis, nothing's anybody's
Speaker 2: fucking fault. Who does something on their own, right, So
Speaker 2: they said it was the financial institution's fault. They were
Speaker 2: quote predatory lenders, as if they were out, you know,
Speaker 2: creeping up on people and thrusting these half a million
Speaker 2: dollar loans on them, as if people weren't walking into
Speaker 2: the bank, into the person's office and doing it of
Speaker 2: their own determination. The real predatory lending in this country
Speaker 2: is student loans. You have people who are minors at
Speaker 2: a school that by truancy law, they can't leave as
Speaker 2: a captive audience, having solicitors from colleges. Go there and
Speaker 2: tell them you can study whatever the hell you want.
Speaker 2: Just sign this piece of paper. You'll be admitted to
Speaker 2: cal state, god knows what, and you can major in
Speaker 2: Christ who gives a fucking cares and you'll, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: ninety five thousand dollars, but'll but you'll have the world by.
Speaker 3: The tail, the world by the tale, and eighty.
Speaker 2: Percent of the coursework at most institutions is worth a
Speaker 2: damn You'll never be able to pay that back. And
Speaker 2: when there's four trillion dollars an additud student debt to
Speaker 2: support my point.
Speaker 1: Hey, it's crazy you said, and you're speaking on that.
Speaker 1: I literally just told my boy I agree with what
Speaker 1: you said one thousand percent.
Speaker 2: I just told him this is why move got a
Speaker 2: few other show more offen.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just told him this, and this is straight up. Man.
Speaker 3: I'm so far out.
Speaker 1: Shout out to my shout out to my motherfucking cousin.
Speaker 1: Move man, I'm so h uncle, shout out to me.
Speaker 1: I'm so hot about the school system.
Speaker 3: Fuck him.
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to lie to my son right
Speaker 1: now that I want him to do all this bullshit
Speaker 1: to go. Uh, man, I'm about to make I make
Speaker 1: more money doing this little Oria refinery bullshit than I
Speaker 1: ever made, man, And I don't have to know shit
Speaker 1: not like that.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I got to pass a couple of tests in there
Speaker 1: that they make sure they helped me past.
Speaker 3: The motherfucker.
Speaker 2: But how many? But but I mean you you do
Speaker 2: need to write a quality essay, right, No, you don't
Speaker 2: have to write any essays for this.
Speaker 3: I'm not not at all.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I told my son you can ask him right there here,
Speaker 1: and they're working out right now. I told him, you
Speaker 1: know what I told him. I said, you're gonna pick
Speaker 1: you a career. You're gonna you're gonna be some type
Speaker 1: of craftman. Whether it's gonna be welding, electrician, you're gonna
Speaker 1: do something with a craft because, bruh, that school ship.
Speaker 1: You can kiss my ass a man, They lie like
Speaker 1: a motherfucker. You told me I was gonna have the
Speaker 1: world out of tale. I got to do all these
Speaker 1: jump through all these different hoops to really have the
Speaker 1: world by the tail. Yeah, school, I.
Speaker 2: Was telling him a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: Fuck him.
Speaker 1: Will Bernie Mack saying, fuck them, man, swear, I agree
Speaker 1: with you. Man, Why does this sound so blasphemous?
Speaker 2: I went to I was telling him this a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago. I threw a few thousand dollars at
Speaker 2: this class to try to learn how to code, full
Speaker 2: stack of computer coding software stuff. Yeah, And after a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks, I was like, I'm so far behind this.
Speaker 2: At my age, this is not gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was probably thirty people in the class. The other
Speaker 2: twenty nine. We're all like twenty two year olds who
Speaker 2: just got a computer science bachelor's from cal State Long Beach,
Speaker 2: cal State fucking cal State LA.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: They, I mean, their fucking diploma was still warm from
Speaker 2: the printer. In computer science. They had to take out
Speaker 2: ninety k so that they can run across the street,
Speaker 2: spend fifteen thousand more so they can have something to
Speaker 2: get them a job. Yeah, you've got to be kidding me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm cool on it, man. You know, I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna lie. I'm mad at myself. I did it to
Speaker 1: make sure that I got a leverage on my kids
Speaker 1: to tell them, a man, you gotta do what I do,
Speaker 1: not as I say.
Speaker 3: So. I actually did the shit if that's the route.
Speaker 1: They want to go. But man, it was a waste
Speaker 1: of time. Man, I could have I could have straight
Speaker 1: out of eighteen. Right now. I'm telling you right now,
Speaker 1: my son, whether he's doing great or night, if you
Speaker 1: get a scholarship in sports or something like.
Speaker 3: That, I'm not gonna say no, you're not going. You're
Speaker 3: gonna go.
Speaker 1: You're gonna steal from them what.
Speaker 3: You want to steal. But you can go play, you
Speaker 3: can do all that.
Speaker 1: But in that process, I still tell him right now,
Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna right when you eighteen, you're gonna
Speaker 1: take some courses to be like I say, welding, electrician, something, computers, tech,
Speaker 1: whatever you need to do. You're gonna do that to
Speaker 1: fall back on. You still gonna make good money. Man,
Speaker 1: These motherfuckers are making fifty five hundred a week. Who
Speaker 1: making fifty five hundred a week?
Speaker 3: Electricians, welders? And should I do?
Speaker 1: And I was listening to somebody today or yesterday tell
Speaker 1: me it was oh yeah, Pete. People telling me it
Speaker 1: was a shortage on electricians, all trade workers, man, like.
Speaker 3: A motherfucker reason I don't feel like doing it.
Speaker 1: I'm just being honest because I'm on the safety side
Speaker 1: of this ship right now, and I'm still gonna end
Speaker 1: up making that in a year or two. But it's
Speaker 1: because I don't feel like going to the school for
Speaker 1: for for two years, you know what I'm saying, getting
Speaker 1: the hours behind the welding or something like that.
Speaker 3: But he can do it, so he eighteen, he gonna
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 1: So how much shit is we really gonna say? Are
Speaker 1: you saying you wouldn't recommend Collie or Braidling the go
Speaker 1: to school if it wasn't free, like if they let's say,
Speaker 1: they don't earn a scholarship and then you gotta pay
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm definitely. I'm telling you what I'm telling
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 1: I'm telling him right now, you're gonna We're gonna do
Speaker 1: some truck and shit, We're gonna do some welding, ship,
Speaker 1: We're gonna do some electrician shit.
Speaker 3: Man, it's so many other ways that you're gonna make
Speaker 3: some money.
Speaker 1: But it's really is everybody. I'm not sending you to school, hommy,
Speaker 1: I'm not sending you to school if it ain't free.
Speaker 1: Don't you go to school to learn? Is what you learning?
Speaker 3: What the fuck are you learning? You learning what they
Speaker 3: telling us to learn.
Speaker 2: You can watch YouTube about fucking day and YouTube and
Speaker 2: learn nonsense facts philosophy.
Speaker 1: No I six refrigerator at the house.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm not telling motherfucker to go to school.
Speaker 1: Man, you gonna pick up some type of fucking trade
Speaker 1: that's gonna make you some money.
Speaker 3: Look for some ship that make you some money. In college.
Speaker 3: They're not doing that. In college. They gonna tell you
Speaker 3: to get up.
Speaker 1: You go. You're gonna go these certain different ways trade school,
Speaker 1: that's something different. You gonna go in a specific area,
Speaker 1: a specific craft. You're gonna make some money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a normal campus. All they're teaching you how
Speaker 2: to navigate is your way through campus. Yeah, they just
Speaker 2: teach you how to go through the thing, get your
Speaker 2: piece of paper, and then they just sent in and
Speaker 2: you're just out there.
Speaker 3: Then you just out there like another.
Speaker 2: Girl girl I know who hung out with buy somethings
Speaker 2: in town. All just typically death with herself. Thirty four
Speaker 2: years old, got her bachelor's degree in psyched from cal
Speaker 2: State LA. Got a couple of honors on it.
Speaker 3: No mean shit.
Speaker 2: She's doing nails now the same way she was doing
Speaker 2: fucking nails before she did.
Speaker 3: All that ship.
Speaker 1: It don't mean ship because you know why, because that
Speaker 1: degree he gonna she gotta go through.
Speaker 3: Okay, then you gotta go get your masters.
Speaker 1: Then you gotta go get your you gotta become a license.
Speaker 3: Ye, Then that's when you're gonna make you money.
Speaker 2: Then if you really want to have a private practice
Speaker 2: and make money money, you have to prove yourself to
Speaker 2: be market viable in a competitive field against other psychiatrists.
Speaker 3: Fuck that waste of time.
Speaker 1: I'll burn that motherfucker if I had to, I wish
Speaker 1: I could, Sam, I'll burn my ship.
Speaker 3: I'm mad as a motherfucker man. Eighteen humy, you guys
Speaker 3: could have been trucking years.
Speaker 1: They will stood the motherfucking uh, the motherfucking recession.
Speaker 3: Come on, man.
Speaker 1: But so, but all y'all saying is you went to
Speaker 1: school with a goal of making money. Hell, you got
Speaker 1: to get educated.
Speaker 3: You learned. I learned some ship. I learned some ship.
Speaker 1: But isn't the point I didn't learn learn some ship.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 1: I learned some ship, and I won't see my kids
Speaker 1: to do that. That's what I'm glad I win. Is
Speaker 1: it the point in school to get education?
Speaker 3: Though education? And what.
Speaker 1: I mean wouldever you choose to get education, You choose
Speaker 1: your classes, you choose the education you take. But what
Speaker 1: you then already learned, so what they didn't already teach you,
Speaker 1: and you know, he got his own perspective on it.
Speaker 1: But whatever they that taught me in high school, in
Speaker 1: grade school wasn't shit that I use. I don't even
Speaker 1: use the shit. So then when I went to college.
Speaker 1: You going to college, this is why your first two
Speaker 1: years be damn near general education because you don't know
Speaker 1: what the fuck you want to do. They ain't taught
Speaker 1: you about nothing that's gonna make you no money.
Speaker 2: And interestingly enough, all the general ed crap is all
Speaker 2: non monetizable. They don't expose you to anything in the
Speaker 2: first two years that could ever translate anywhere unless they
Speaker 2: wanted to just be a professor fuck over the next
Speaker 2: guy coming in.
Speaker 1: So in other words, you're saying people take advantage of
Speaker 1: your ignorance because you don't know what you want, and
Speaker 1: me your parents putting pressure on you and go to.
Speaker 2: Skills and on top of that. The people who are
Speaker 2: careerist in that ecosystem, they don't know what's outside of
Speaker 2: the ecosystem. There's a couple professors who go in there
Speaker 2: who had been professionals, who come back and teach a course,
Speaker 2: or to the full timers who were there from eighteen
Speaker 2: through postgraduate just walked right back in the fucking first door.
Speaker 2: They don't know shit about shit. That's why there were
Speaker 2: multiple classes that I was in that had the fucking
Speaker 2: dean used to sit behind me because I was emasculating
Speaker 2: the professor. I wasn't trying to do that, I thought.
Speaker 2: And at ASU, it's funny. There's a lot of retirees
Speaker 2: in the Phoenix area. So you get these old timers
Speaker 2: who come in and want to finish their degree before
Speaker 2: they kick the bucket because Christ knows why. They apparently
Speaker 2: their fixed incomes can accommodate such stupidity, but they want
Speaker 2: to do it so whatever, So they come in, they
Speaker 2: sit there, they're slow, they ask dumb questions, they're detached from,
Speaker 2: you know, everything by four decades. I just thought that
Speaker 2: lady was another one of them. She was the fucking
Speaker 2: dean of the school. Man I got called into her office.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what are you Why are you sitting over there?
Speaker 2: She's like, what do you mean? I'm like, well, who
Speaker 2: are we meeting with? She's like, you're meaning with me.
Speaker 2: I'm like the lady from behind me.
Speaker 3: The lady from behind like, fuck, that's check the check.
Speaker 2: I don't even know it's a dean.
Speaker 1: These motherfuckers. Hey, man, man, I'm telling you, man, I
Speaker 1: trade right now. My daughter. She will make more money
Speaker 1: kyleee right now. And she don't even understand this. She
Speaker 1: will make more money doing braids then going to college.
Speaker 3: You want to go. But see, this is what I realized.
Speaker 1: They put that shit in you so much, whether it's
Speaker 1: been on TV, you know, whether it's being your mom
Speaker 1: and your daddy. You need to go to college, you
Speaker 1: need to do this. So now it's just stuck in
Speaker 1: people's head to do it.
Speaker 2: At the girl taking the dinner later, she who breaks
Speaker 2: off fifty second, She makes like four hundred dollars a day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wish.
Speaker 2: I don't know why she's so perpetually broke. That's another conversation.
Speaker 2: But she makes the money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you.
Speaker 1: Said so, y'all, y'all, So there's something in my mind
Speaker 1: that wants me to go to school right and get
Speaker 1: the degree in pharmacy, So y'all would recommend me not
Speaker 1: to get the degree in from So you're going.
Speaker 2: To if there's a linear path to either owning or
Speaker 2: becoming a pharmacist, sure, then do that. Don't go and
Speaker 2: major in whatever the.
Speaker 1: Fuck studies and just if you, if you look back,
Speaker 1: most most freshmen go ahead. I'm listening. No, most freshmen
Speaker 1: have no idea who they want to and they didn't
Speaker 1: change their major once twice or whatever.
Speaker 3: So this's the thing. Is different.
Speaker 1: You going at this point in your life, You're gonna
Speaker 1: have a whole different So I'm going for specific right, right,
Speaker 1: that's different. But these kids they going because they Mama
Speaker 1: told them to go, or they dad told them to go,
Speaker 1: or TV told them to go.
Speaker 3: They don't know what they want to do in life
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 2: And even if they know what they want to do
Speaker 2: as a profession, there's not even dog shit decent information
Speaker 2: to tell you what you have to do at the
Speaker 2: campus to even do that. I mean other than doctor, lawyer, okay,
Speaker 2: law school, med school, I mean most professions. I don't
Speaker 2: think people have any idea, Like if you wanted to
Speaker 2: sell commercial real estate. What major would you pursue for that?
Speaker 2: No one fucking knows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, it's just I'm cool only so you're saying
Speaker 1: the reason they can get dissolved, Well, so, oh so
Speaker 1: this is why you call it his greatest scam in America,
Speaker 1: and they're pushing it. The hotears is kind of influence.
Speaker 1: Kids are influenced.
Speaker 2: It's because the current generation of leadership at the institutions
Speaker 2: is writing the coattails of previous generations that built up
Speaker 2: a value that they have squandered, and that's piped in
Speaker 2: with the money trail of student loans and grants where
Speaker 2: they're getting siphoned huge amounts of cash out of the
Speaker 2: tax pool, and the fact that they're all tax exempt
Speaker 2: and they get massive donations and they have massive endowments,
Speaker 2: and they have massive tax free earnings offset endowments. So
Speaker 2: a regular school to have a two billion dollar endowment,
Speaker 2: that's not crazy, but you're probably gonna make two hundred
Speaker 2: million dollars in tax free money for the institution just
Speaker 2: off the endowment of stagnant cash.
Speaker 3: They preaching workers, man, they want you to be workers.
Speaker 1: That's all I say you. You they want you to
Speaker 1: work for somebody else. They want your brain to think
Speaker 1: the way they want it to be. But God to
Speaker 1: come to a space to where most people are going
Speaker 1: to work for somebody else. But that's what they're teaching.
Speaker 1: They're preaching that. Yeah, I don't even know the preaching
Speaker 1: it they preaching because.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's not I don't think the problem.
Speaker 1: Then what is the problem?
Speaker 2: The problem is, Okay, if you're if you're the type
Speaker 2: of person who goes to college, you're probably the type
Speaker 2: of person who wants to go to college to find
Speaker 2: a job working for somebody else for the most part.
Speaker 2: But I think, but with that in mind, there is
Speaker 2: no with within again, sixty men units you have to take,
Speaker 2: you know, that are narrow in general. None of that
Speaker 2: includes the course that says, here's what different fields of
Speaker 2: professional work in the marketplace earned. Here are the majors
Speaker 2: that lead into these different fields. Here's where the where
Speaker 2: each of these majors will lead you professionally. Here's what
Speaker 2: post education you have, Here's the cost of that, Here's
Speaker 2: what there that will go. That should be a class.
Speaker 2: Did you take that class?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I didn't take the class with the four schools, didn't
Speaker 2: take the class. Neverond heard of that class.
Speaker 1: So you said college is just a fantastic business.
Speaker 2: It is if you're a professor, a dean, or a
Speaker 2: what do they call the other.
Speaker 1: People, I'm cool on them, fuck them. I disagree with
Speaker 1: them all the way. Now, man, if you don't got
Speaker 1: a direction, I thought college made sense for the education.
Speaker 1: I thought that's what you paid for. That's why Fudge
Speaker 1: was doing what he was doing, just chilling getting information
Speaker 1: because he wasn't tripping. Oh, higher learning. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: you pay for college for to get education. Nah, that's
Speaker 1: what college. You paid for.
Speaker 3: Educate me on how to get some money.
Speaker 1: But why would you go to college to make money?
Speaker 2: But that's what that's that's what it's always better.
Speaker 3: That's what it's promoted.
Speaker 1: That's what you think, and that's what they telling you,
Speaker 1: even when you're in grade school, when you're in the
Speaker 1: twelfth grade, and oh man, when you want to make
Speaker 1: some money, Yeah, when you go to yeah you're gonna, man,
Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna be well, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: starting to realize being sober, bro, I hear every I
Speaker 1: listened completely different because I never got that that's good
Speaker 1: show to college if you want to make money. And
Speaker 1: the funniest part.
Speaker 3: Is that's what college all we got.
Speaker 1: I was going I was going to college. My intentions
Speaker 1: of going to college was to be a pharmacist. Like
Speaker 1: that was always straight and narrow, like, Okay, you're going
Speaker 1: to be a pharmacist. Go to AZUSA Pacific. They have
Speaker 1: a great pharmacy program. Go so to a pharmacy, open
Speaker 1: up your own pharmacist. That was that was my path
Speaker 1: at twelve Pharmacy a ZUSA Pacific pharmacy. And the problem is,
Speaker 1: at that time, pharmacies only made sixty thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 1: When I started selling dope, it still wasn't that great rock,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I pretty much got really
Speaker 1: hot into the chain and it wasn't worth it. I
Speaker 1: didn't see it, so I was just financing college. When
Speaker 1: I started selling PCP, I was like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: it's fifty was it fifty two? Fifty four weeks in
Speaker 1: the year sixty thousand, that's twelve hundred dollars a week.
Speaker 1: I was making twelve hundred dollars every three days selling sharp.
Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck I'm paying y'all for
Speaker 1: being aformacist. Right, so obviously that was children short sighted. Right,
Speaker 1: You're not even thinking and it's crazy to saying you're
Speaker 1: not thinking about prison, you're not thinking about all these
Speaker 1: things you like, I'm trying to have I could be
Speaker 1: making Wait a minute, twelve, I can make it twelve
Speaker 1: hundred dollars a day. I can make it two thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a day on this shit. So I never got
Speaker 1: going to college means you make more money, or you
Speaker 1: go to college to make money.
Speaker 3: See, and that's shot.
Speaker 1: We always thought you go to college for education.
Speaker 3: We want to education and a profession that's gonna make
Speaker 3: you some money.
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, what the that's how you're gonna be successful.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be successful with this degree in this area
Speaker 1: because that's gonna make you some money. Yeah, but how
Speaker 1: could that be true? Like what like okay, Like I
Speaker 1: can see if you because every school that made money
Speaker 1: it was another school on top school. So that's how
Speaker 1: I looked at it too. Even that young. I was like,
Speaker 1: because you know, doctors go to school for like another
Speaker 1: you know, six years, like you gotta go to medical
Speaker 1: fuck college. Now you go to this medical school. Every
Speaker 1: school outside of pharmacy, Like so unless you was going
Speaker 1: to like to be a therapist or a psychologist, and
Speaker 1: then I don't know what they see if they want
Speaker 1: to make if they want to get more money.
Speaker 3: That's the point you're going for.
Speaker 1: Like, what's the best job you can get being a
Speaker 1: bachelor getting a bachelor's degree?
Speaker 2: It depends.
Speaker 1: A bachelor's in medicine, is what could you do with it?
Speaker 1: Could you even get a bachelor's in metal?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Like if you had a pre mad and just walked
Speaker 2: out the door with a pre mat, is it a no?
Speaker 1: Because pre mad is like two years after college? Nah,
Speaker 1: you pre mad after the first four years? Yeah, major,
Speaker 1: I think you could be a nurse in for it,
Speaker 1: like a registered nurse in four or five years on
Speaker 1: a normal cad like that. Man, So, what's the most
Speaker 1: amount of money you can make with a bachelor's in school?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: What? What? At least in the field of education. That's
Speaker 1: a great question.
Speaker 2: What do you mean in the field of education?
Speaker 1: Like like like let's say if you're looking up bachelors
Speaker 1: and you're like, I wanted to go to school and
Speaker 1: get a bachelor's degree and blah blah blah because I
Speaker 1: want to make this much money and you never do
Speaker 1: the bachelors.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of you know, education, it depends on
Speaker 2: your pay structure and the institution.
Speaker 1: So I'm saying, let's say you went to USC. If
Speaker 1: you go to USC and you got a bachelor's and
Speaker 1: something engineered, well, okay, program.
Speaker 2: I'll put I could dial up fifteen former USC student athletes.
Speaker 2: That's in my phone right now. Was was one of
Speaker 2: whom is a waitress at PF Chanks another one.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying obviously somehow they're not using
Speaker 1: the degree like sugar free. See.
Speaker 2: Well, and that's what and that's where it comes into it,
Speaker 2: where it's networking right sure, And it's the best money
Speaker 2: you're going to get out of a bachelor's degree is
Speaker 2: what you can leverage just the social proximity for into
Speaker 2: getting into the right position and a pay structure that
Speaker 2: is performance based. I mean, truth be told, you could
Speaker 2: meet some nineteen year old kid with a rich dad
Speaker 2: having cocktails at the bar. If you demonstrate that you're
Speaker 2: like an extraordinarily competent, you might be able to get
Speaker 2: a job interview. And as the interview, I mean my
Speaker 2: starting pay I had like fifty plus a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of benefits out the door. When I left college, Yeah,
Speaker 2: my degree yet I just wander around and I was
Speaker 2: a very proactive student. So I was doing different internship
Speaker 2: with companies and I was dealing with like there was
Speaker 2: a group called they had the Sports Business Association, and
Speaker 2: they had introduced to another group people. I forgot what
Speaker 2: the hell they were, but they had brought a bunch.
Speaker 2: They were a headhunter group, and they had set up
Speaker 2: a bunch of interviews for different people, this line of
Speaker 2: companies that were there trying to find people. I just
Speaker 2: crushed the interview. I had no business getting that job.
Speaker 2: And the people my follow up interview was I was
Speaker 2: an ASU student who hadn't had his degree yet, interviewing
Speaker 2: against USC graduates, I got the position. I got a
Speaker 2: better vision than them. There were two people who got
Speaker 2: hired by the company in my office from USC and UCLA,
Speaker 2: and I had a better position than their position. That
Speaker 2: had nothing to do at all with the school at all.
Speaker 2: The fact that I could walk in and I just
Speaker 2: interviewed the other people into the ground.
Speaker 1: On average, having a Bacheldor's in California is going to
Speaker 1: get thirty fifty three thousand, twenty five percent, it's thirty
Speaker 1: eight thousand. So you wanted to know that number, Give
Speaker 1: it to me a give fifty three thousand, four hundred
Speaker 1: ninety dollars.
Speaker 2: That's twenty six bucks an hour.
Speaker 1: And be real with you, and how much does it
Speaker 1: cost you to get that degree?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if you're in state now, it's probably
Speaker 2: room and bored us over twenty ker year. It's probably
Speaker 2: eighty thousand dollars five thousand dollar commitment.
Speaker 1: Now is that worth it?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take like this.
Speaker 1: Can you get that job? You can't get that job.
Speaker 2: I'll put it this way.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you like this right now, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: use me. Fuck everybody else. I ain't gonna use my masters.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use me right now. I didn't have my masters.
Speaker 1: I didn't looked at my salaries that I made with
Speaker 1: my with in that field, in that specific field. I
Speaker 1: didn't made between the fifty three like it just said,
Speaker 1: in the thirty eight over six seven years of that
Speaker 1: last year, last year, one year in this oil refinery.
Speaker 1: One year I made seventy one. You know how many
Speaker 1: classes I took? They paid for them all every class
Speaker 1: I took they paid for. The only only class they
Speaker 1: didn't pay for it was my already. So on my twig,
Speaker 1: I paid two hundred and twenty five dollars for a
Speaker 1: RS so card I paid one hundred and twenty something
Speaker 1: for a twig. I made seventy one thousand. Oh I
Speaker 1: forgot this part. Then I have more time off as well.
Speaker 1: I have more time I could do what I'm doing
Speaker 1: right now, picking kids up and working them out.
Speaker 2: So there it is.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't need to use no other example. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna use me.
Speaker 2: That's a fine example.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but wouldn't that be rooted in the fact that
Speaker 1: your whole purpose at that point is making money when
Speaker 1: you go to school? Is that why you're saying most
Speaker 1: people go to school is to make money? Man, I
Speaker 1: was having gratification helping kids, That's what I was doing.
Speaker 1: Then I want to make money in that process, right
Speaker 1: because I got to provide for my kids fair So
Speaker 1: you know, at some point it's everything's gonna come down
Speaker 1: to you need some money because you got to provide
Speaker 1: for yourself. Facts. So there you got it. So the
Speaker 1: first thing I did was go with the interests. Now
Speaker 1: it ain't that interesting. No more to me, Man, fuck
Speaker 1: them kids, and I focus on my own goddamn kids.
Speaker 1: And I'll take this oil refinery money so that I.
Speaker 3: Can get I can get gratification by coaching. That's me
Speaker 3: helping kids.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be excellent to listen to people comment
Speaker 1: about this.
Speaker 2: Fuck them too, yeah to me unless you're and this
Speaker 2: is the issue, like as as happens a lot in
Speaker 2: various areas of the economy and history, universities, generations ago,
Speaker 2: not in the medieval times, but you know, one hundred
Speaker 2: years ago, there were not a ton of them. They
Speaker 2: weren't very big, and you had to pay for them yourself,
Speaker 2: you know, like to go. So there were tremendous barriers
Speaker 2: of entry and participation. What that created was value through
Speaker 2: exclusivity and scarcity. People thought, well, I've am boxed out.
Speaker 2: I can't get access to that value because of the exclusivity.
Speaker 2: So policies were changed, college student population exploded, the pendulum
Speaker 2: of supply and demand was inverted, and now the value
Speaker 2: is gone. And other than basically that same handful of
Speaker 2: original institutions that were able to sustain the integrity of their.
Speaker 1: Value institutions, institutions all this shit institutions. Man, the trays
Speaker 1: that the motherfucker looked just like the penitentiary institution when
Speaker 1: you're going through school. Man, come on, man, I'm cool
Speaker 1: on these motherfuckers.
Speaker 3: Man, fucking you get your trade and get you some
Speaker 3: bread all that other shit. The educate.
Speaker 1: You can educate yourself. You could pick up books. You
Speaker 1: can go to the library and pick up books. Man,
Speaker 1: you want to learn something, You got this magic box. Now,
Speaker 1: look that ship up. What you're trying to what you're
Speaker 1: trying to learn, what you're trying to get educated on?
Speaker 1: Go ahead and pick this magic box up and google it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a fact. You ain't gotta go get how much
Speaker 1: is debt? Eighty thousand dollars a year? Go getting that.
Speaker 1: Fuck that.
Speaker 2: I learned more valuable monetizable information in the last five
Speaker 2: years I did the whole five.
Speaker 3: Years I was in college by far.
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