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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marco and Show

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: My guest today is.

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Speaker 1: Mary Katherine Ham, Fox News contributor and my co host

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Speaker 1: at the Normally podcast, also right here on iHeart Him.

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Speaker 1: Mary Catherine, how are you doing?

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Speaker 3: I am doing pretty good.

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Speaker 2: I feel like you and I talk sometimes you know

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Speaker 2: now and then no, we're sometimes on the air together.

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Speaker 1: This episode marks two years of the Carol Markowitz Show.

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Speaker 1: And I do this thing on the Carol Markowitz Show

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Speaker 1: where I ask my guests a set of three questions,

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Speaker 1: and I wanted to bring you on to ask you

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Speaker 1: the three questions from my second year and to be

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Speaker 1: the first person to answer the three questions, actually just

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Speaker 1: two new questions one days the same into my third year.

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Speaker 1: I should also note that you were on in my

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Speaker 1: first year, so you answered my first set of three

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Speaker 1: questions when I used to ask what's our largest cultural

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Speaker 1: or social problem?

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Speaker 2: And also do you feel like you've made it?

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Speaker 1: Those two you've already covered, so let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: My first question in my second year was what do

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Speaker 1: you worry about?

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Speaker 3: What do I worry about?

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Speaker 4: I would say recently, but I would say in the

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Speaker 4: past couple of years. The thing that I've started to

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Speaker 4: worry about a lot is that people can't.

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Speaker 2: Read good, they can't be good.

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Speaker 4: It's a concern that I have, and I'm being silly

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Speaker 4: about it, but it is very serious. And this is

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Speaker 4: something that you and I sort of on a gut

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Speaker 4: level recognized about. The school shutdowns could be a problem

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Speaker 4: in the future. But I think the sort of loss

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Speaker 4: of inability to concentrate on reading, yeah, the sort of

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Speaker 4: scam about the way that kids were taught to read

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Speaker 4: for about twenty years, that we have to work out

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Speaker 4: of the system now and then get them back on phonics,

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Speaker 4: which thankfully has happened in places like Mississippi and Alabama

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Speaker 4: and Tennessee, and everyone should in Louisiana as well. Everyone

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Speaker 4: should take note and run with those plans. But I

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Speaker 4: do think there's a real gap in there where a

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Speaker 4: lot of people weren't learning to read right, and beyond reading,

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Speaker 4: not building that skill, not building attention span, not building

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Speaker 4: critical thinking skills. Yeah, and then that's why you get

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Speaker 4: people in your mentions just totally misunderstanding everything you.

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Speaker 1: Say, right, And I think that there's this feeling among

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Speaker 1: people that they don't need it anymore. That you don't

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Speaker 1: need to learn how to be a strong reader anymore.

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Speaker 1: That know, chat GPT will just do it for you.

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Speaker 1: But I still think the people who are able to

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Speaker 1: read text and understand what they've read and repeat it

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Speaker 1: back and make it put it in layman's terms or

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Speaker 1: any of that is going to defeat chat GPT any

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Speaker 2: They're going to eat the lunch of people who can't

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Speaker 1: In fact, I think that the whole reliance on AI,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be people who can process information who will.

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Speaker 2: Be the ones leading the way with AI. And I

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Speaker 2: think that this idea that we don't need to read

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Speaker 1: Is kind of something they did in the old fashioned days,

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Speaker 1: is silly and ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: And I fully agree with you. We saw this coming.

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Speaker 1: We knew that the closures of the schools were going

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Speaker 1: to be problematic in a lot of ways. And look,

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Speaker 1: I saw it in my own kids. My older two

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Speaker 1: kids learned to read. They didn't even care what the

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Speaker 1: memorization techniques were at school. My youngest one didn't do that,

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Speaker 2: A real tough road to get him back to where

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's just like reading as fundamental as they

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Speaker 4: used to say in the eighties, and everything builds off

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Speaker 3: There are studies that show that these correlate.

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Speaker 4: If you're building your reading skills, you're building a bunch

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Speaker 4: of other skills that help you to build everything in

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Speaker 4: I hope we get back on track.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, my second question is what advice would you give

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Speaker 1: your sixteen year old self.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see, sixteen year old self.

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Speaker 4: I don't have have a ton of regrets in life,

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Speaker 4: so I don't know if there's any any part of

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Speaker 4: I would tell my sixteen year old self this and

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Speaker 4: she probably would not listen.

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Speaker 3: Oh wait, no, two things.

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Speaker 2: Two things.

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Speaker 3: One, do not pluck your eyebrows.

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Speaker 2: You had such a great article about that. I think

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Speaker 2: it was in the Federalist.

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Speaker 3: Baby. Yeah, I remember sending that.

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Speaker 2: To my daughter and being like, don't pluck your eyebrows.

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Speaker 3: It was an open letter to my eyebrows.

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Speaker 4: And I have to say that now I must live

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Speaker 4: through the humiliation of an envy of watching my exact

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, totally.

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Speaker 4: I add those and I spurned them. Okay, so that's

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Speaker 4: number two. And I also probably wouldn't listen to this,

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Speaker 4: And I guess that's just part of growing up.

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Speaker 3: But Mary Catherine, your mother is lovely and nice. Why

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Speaker 3: are you being mean to her?

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Speaker 2: Your mother is lovely and nice. She's a really nice lady.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and your your whole life, you're gonna learn just

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Speaker 4: how nice she is because other people very fraught relationships

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Speaker 3: Other people have and I, you know, that's tough on folks.

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Speaker 4: And I didn't realize that this large part of my

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Speaker 4: this lovely, selfless woman. Yeah, and and smart and driven

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Speaker 4: put up with a lot with my brothers and me,

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Speaker 3: A teenager, that she she didn't deserve. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And is one more that one more to that

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Speaker 4: your dad's right about basically everything.

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Speaker 2: It turns out your dad's correct. I also met your dad.

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Speaker 2: He is actually right about everything. Not all dads are

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Speaker 2: right about everything, I'll just say that.

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Speaker 4: But in my case, those those two insights had I

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Speaker 4: had them earlier might have helped me.

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Speaker 1: Did you feel from your daughters the same kind of

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Speaker 4: We'll see they're they're getting into that territory. And I

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Speaker 4: will say I deserve someone being mean to me a

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Speaker 4: lot more than my mother did.

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Speaker 3: I am much meaner than my mind.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. My mom's just like coming in my room as

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Speaker 4: a as a teenager to like gently wake me up

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Speaker 3: Time people a bed. I'm right.

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Speaker 2: I like to call down to my kids, like get up.

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Speaker 4: I do hope that as I grow older, and there

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Speaker 4: is some indication of this that like a lot of

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Speaker 4: people become more like their mothers, and for that, for me,

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Speaker 4: that just means like sunnier and nicer. Although my husband

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Speaker 4: is like, I mean, you could be a lot nicer,

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Speaker 2: A lot sunnier.

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Speaker 3: He's like, when are you gonna be your mother? I

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Speaker 3: would love to see that.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing. Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 1: I sometimes see people post on the internet like what

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Speaker 1: love from their moms, And I'm like, oh wow, I

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Speaker 1: totally had that, and that's a nice thing to have. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: I have a teenage daughter, and she's way nicer to

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Speaker 1: feel like I didn't get punished enough for it.

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Speaker 2: But you know, maybe my boys. Who knows boys could

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well we appreciate it to both our moms from

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So my third question stays the same,

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Speaker 1: so we'll stay We'll keep that for a little bit later.

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Speaker 1: But the new questions of the third year of the

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Speaker 1: Carol Markowitz Show is what are you most proud of

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Speaker 1: in your life?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's an easy one.

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Speaker 4: What I am most proud of in my life is

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Speaker 4: that when really bad things happened to me, I was

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Speaker 4: able to persevere and raise my children with a smile

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Speaker 4: them a good stable household. So and many people know

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Speaker 4: Carol marqu Witch Show before, I'm sure you've heard it.

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Speaker 4: But my husband passed away when I was seven months

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Speaker 4: pregnant with my second child in twenty fifteen in a

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Speaker 4: bicycling accident and obviously sudden, obviously unexpected, just a you know,

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Speaker 4: lifetime movie of a an event in your own lifetime,

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Speaker 4: and I, you know, never knew that I had built

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Speaker 3: But I found out the hard way that I did.

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Speaker 4: Tons of times when I was drinking too much wine,

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Speaker 4: I was discombobulated, and.

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Speaker 3: A little bit falling apart.

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Speaker 4: A lot some of it's a blur, but in general,

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Speaker 4: I had my baby two months after he died. She

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Speaker 4: was just a gift from God, like the loveliest, sweetest newborn.

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Speaker 4: And those two gals and I for the next couple

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Speaker 4: And I had told myself that I would not live

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I ask people not to react to us that way,

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Speaker 4: because I think, you know, that is a thing that

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Speaker 4: But asking people out loud not to treat me that way,

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Speaker 4: I think changed the trajectory of what my life became.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's that's what I'm most proud of, is

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Speaker 3: like holding it together.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, You're also I have to tell you that your

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Speaker 1: open faith then and in other times is just inspiring

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Speaker 1: to me. I think. I I've always been in Judaism.

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Speaker 1: I say I'm religious, but not observant, like I feel

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Speaker 1: very close to God.

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Speaker 2: I feel very religious.

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Speaker 1: You talking about your faith and living it so openly

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Speaker 1: definitely had an effect on me doing the same. I

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Speaker 1: feel like I talk about God more often because of you.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm not embarrassed about it because of you.

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Speaker 1: And I think you should know that your faith, your

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Speaker 1: open faith, has helped me live my faith more openly.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm really glad. I think I was not as

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Speaker 4: open about it until this happened to me. I had

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Speaker 4: very compartmentalized, right, and then this happening to me gave me, Well,

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Speaker 4: I really didn't feel like there was a choice, Like

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Speaker 1: All right, my second question of the third year of

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Speaker 1: It could be about the country, the world, music, anything.

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Speaker 4: I just know, I know because I hadn't noted I know,

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Speaker 4: because no, I'm just saying that I love this about you.

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Speaker 2: You're like, no, no, I got this.

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Speaker 4: I'm making that face because I couldn't really think of

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Speaker 2: What do you worry about?

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Speaker 4: And that in and of itself is like four hundred

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Speaker 3: I'd be like, I know nobody goes about this but me.

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Speaker 4: No one's interested, but they are going to be interested

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Speaker 3: Yeah, George, when your social security money, right, George.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So my third question stays the same.

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Speaker 1: And you've been on the show before, so I'm going

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Speaker 4: I would say, well, from there's a parent specific one,

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Speaker 3: It's called foreshadowing. So it's very fun.

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Speaker 4: You can get them into stuff that is above their

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Speaker 4: And in general, I would just say for everybody, read

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and read long stuff and read challenging stuff in classics.

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Speaker 1: I'm reading The Outsiders with my nine year old right

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Speaker 1: Gave two answers to that and they were put one

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Speaker 3: I'm not mad at them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, take a walk, read a book, be around happy people.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on Mary Katherine Ham

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Speaker 1: and previewing my new three Questions for the Carol Marko,

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Speaker 2: Thanks to everybody for listening.

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Speaker 1: Catch Mary Katherine on normally on Tuesdays and Thursdays and

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Speaker 1: see her making really smart points on Fox News.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, I'm kay, thank you. Congrats on three years