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Speaker 1: In today's episode, It Took It to the Draft Podcast,

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Speaker 1: we talk about what makes a great defensive tackle, and

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Speaker 1: then it's a draft show, so we ranked the top

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Speaker 1: ten defensive tackles. We got run stoppers, we got pass rushers,

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Speaker 1: and we got guys that can do it all. And

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Speaker 1: then we got a section four of the nerds for

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Speaker 1: you diehard. You just want the names, man, give me

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Speaker 1: the names. It all starts right now. Welcome into It

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Speaker 1: Took a Draft Podcast. I'm Logan Paulson here with just

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Speaker 1: the guy, Jason and Jason.

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Speaker 2: The long awaited.

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Speaker 1: Defensive tackle review is here. We got a little sidetracked

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Speaker 1: there at the Combine kind of reviewing each of those days,

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Speaker 1: but we're back. We're here to talk about defensive tackles

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Speaker 1: and this class is I think very interesting to me.

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Speaker 1: It's like I think, after watching them and going through

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Speaker 1: all their film and going through all their highlight reels,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's different than what I expected. So I'm

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Speaker 1: excited to talk about a little bit.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if this class is more of a microcosmo

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Speaker 3: with the draft as a whole, is do you look

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Speaker 3: at the tackle class. It's very deep, but maybe not

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Speaker 3: super top heavy, but you're gonna get a lot of

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Speaker 3: good players here, Like you did a list of twenty

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Speaker 3: that you sent me, which is that's just how many

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Speaker 3: guys you watch, because it's like, that's just how many

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Speaker 3: names are out there, right, So yeah, that feels like

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Speaker 3: how the draft is kind of shaping out. Not a

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Speaker 3: whole lot at the top, but very very deep as

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Speaker 3: far as talent throughout the draft.

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Speaker 1: And we'll talk about the top of this group specifically.

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Speaker 1: But I had a really hard time with some of

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Speaker 1: the guys that are considered like quote unquote like top

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Speaker 1: guys in the class. When I watched the film, I

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Speaker 1: just I understand what people are looking at. But I

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Speaker 1: found him It wasn't like sometimes when you watch, like

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Speaker 1: when you watch out Do a Carter for example, you're like,

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Speaker 1: this dude is a knockout, you know, Grand Slam, home

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Speaker 1: run Chipper, Yeah, blue Chipper, Right. And I didn't feel

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Speaker 1: that way about the defensive tackles necessarily at the very

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Speaker 1: very top. However, there were some guys later that I

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Speaker 1: it again, maybe you're right, it speaks to kind of

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Speaker 1: a weak top for a lot of the positions in

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Speaker 1: this class. But I think the middle portion of this

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Speaker 1: draft is very, very unique and very diverse in a

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Speaker 1: way specifically for this position that I wasn't expecting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to I want to push back. I

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Speaker 3: want to say week I would just because I think

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Speaker 3: with last year's draft, we were so overwhelmed with blue

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Speaker 3: chip talent at the top that this feels it just

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Speaker 3: kind of feels like a normal draft week.

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Speaker 1: It's not the right word, but it's just like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that there's a blue chip guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's just nobody that's heads and shoulders above somebody else.

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Speaker 1: I think, which is probably goes against what most national

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Speaker 3: I think it's oh well, I want to get into

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Speaker 3: it then, but before we get into your top ten,

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Speaker 3: and then of course at the end, we'll have for

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Speaker 3: the nerds just extra names of keeping ear out for.

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Speaker 3: I want to do the thing we always do, and

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Speaker 3: that's what do you look for in a defensive tackle?

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Speaker 3: And we're going to go through some terms that you're

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Speaker 3: listeners kind of understand what you mean when you say

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Speaker 3: something like, oh, he stacks of blocks, So what do

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Speaker 3: you look for in a defensive tackle as an evaluator.

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, this one's tough because it's a little bit

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Speaker 1: different than what you look for with other positions. Obviously

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Speaker 1: there's like an athletic trait, but I will say, like

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Speaker 1: athleticism for defensive linemen is different like offensive lineman.

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Speaker 2: I think athleticism.

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Speaker 1: Means what you think it means, like how you move

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Speaker 2: A little bit different.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit animalistic almost compared to other positions.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what makes a really good defensive tackle

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's hard, I think sometimes to look at

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Speaker 3: Sometimes with DT you have sacks as well, But defensive tackles,

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Speaker 3: unless you're like devoted to pass rushing, it is tough

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Speaker 3: it tackles? Like how do you evaluate a defensive tackles statistically?

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Speaker 3: Or maybe you can't, right.

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Speaker 1: So it's to me, it's more like I think pressure

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Speaker 1: That that's where again, from a good player to a

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Speaker 1: kernel of It's it's the disruption, their ability to disrupt

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Speaker 1: the linebacker can outrunning the football, right, those types of things,

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Speaker 3: Is just eating double teams in and of itself. Something

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Speaker 3: that's important too, because not every player gets doubled, right

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Speaker 3: Like you said, is that a net positive as well?

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Speaker 3: So I think looking for a little.

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Speaker 1: More Yeah, I think eating a double team is a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a misnomer. I don't think you're going

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Speaker 1: you see guys that play double teams well, and what

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Speaker 1: they're doing is they're actually splitting a double team, right.

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Speaker 1: They're they're forcing the offensive line into kind of bad

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Speaker 1: So when you're eating a eating a double team quote unquote,

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Speaker 1: You're not just sitting there. Because I'll tell you, I

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Speaker 1: don't care how strong you are, you could be Jordan Davis, right.

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Speaker 1: You know, one of the biggest, most athletic defensive tackles. Ever,

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Speaker 1: So he'll get moved off the spot just because two

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Speaker 1: the guy that maybe comes to mind is like Ted Washington,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna come back to that where the disruption of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that sometimes will here debate that goes on,

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Speaker 3: whether it's through fans or national commentators will be like, oh,

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Speaker 3: well he didn't as a defensive tackle, he didn't have

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Speaker 3: and that's good because that frees something up. It's like, okay,

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Speaker 3: but a defensive tackle, they're going to be doubled. That's

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Speaker 3: just just the nature of it. So how disruptive are

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Speaker 3: you when you're getting the double team? Makes you an

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Speaker 3: elite player?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think, like going back to Aaron Donald

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Speaker 1: or Chris Jones, like they get double teamed, like you said,

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Speaker 1: almost every play, but they're never content with being blocked.

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Speaker 1: They always find a way to split and disrupt and

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Speaker 1: players footwork and they're timing and that to me, is

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Speaker 1: what makes a really good disruptive defensive player.

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Speaker 3: All right, So off of that, I have a couple

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Speaker 3: of term clarifications. So if you say this guy is

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Speaker 3: heavy hands, what does that mean?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think heavy hands.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like imagine if their hands were made

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Speaker 1: and you just saw the life kind of snap out

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Speaker 2: Like that's kind of what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: It's more like there's some great examples of people with

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Speaker 1: extremely heavy hands in this class where they put them

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Speaker 1: it's just done, and they can hold space. And then

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Speaker 1: once those hands are on you, their ability to be

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Speaker 1: like throw that person in the ground or pull themselves through.

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Speaker 1: Like heavy hands is a huge thing for defense, I

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Speaker 1: mean defensive linemen in general, but specifically for defensive tackles.

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Speaker 3: And what is stacking blocks? Like, all this player's great

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Speaker 1: I am in the game A. I've penetrated beyond you.

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Speaker 2: Be disruptive there's a word.

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Speaker 1: Again we're talking about, and make a tack and force

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Speaker 1: There are some guys in this class that are very special.

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Speaker 3: And as you're saying shed, what is like shedding it?

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Speaker 3: It seems like a shed tackler kind of seems like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, shedding like so basically imagine you're trying to block

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Speaker 1: I kind of cluster that shed it. It's not shedding

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Speaker 3: can see the tackle is dissecting what the play is. Oh,

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Speaker 3: When you see that, it looks beautiful.

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Speaker 1: It looks great, and I think there's a there's a

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Speaker 1: there's levels to it. There's the guys that are that

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Speaker 3: All right. The next thing I want to talk about

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Speaker 3: all these things that we've used where like running backs

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Speaker 3: it makes more sense there. But when you're talking about

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Speaker 3: Is it a little bit different?

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit different, but obviously, like the elite

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Speaker 1: this is like Jordan Phillips, So he's really explosively anticipates

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Speaker 1: And then his ability to get to where he's got

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Speaker 1: So it's the movement skills obviously, but it's also their

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Speaker 1: is the way I'm going to describe it, right, So,

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Speaker 1: like it kind of goes back to the heavy hands thing,

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Speaker 1: I think the twitchiness is maybe slightly different for a

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Speaker 3: All right, let's get right into it, Logan. Let's get

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Speaker 3: your top ten defensive tackles in this year's draft class.

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Speaker 3: Start at number ten for me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so number ten is Tylee Williams from Ohio State,

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Speaker 1: And he was not really on my radar prior to

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Speaker 1: over six to one we in at three hundred and

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Speaker 1: thirty four pounds, is a big, kind of bowling ball

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Speaker 1: at the combine move really well. Just a great athlete

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Speaker 1: about here. His ability to get hands on you diagnose

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Speaker 1: his ability to diagnose runs is really elite, right, so

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Speaker 1: he'll you know, get this down block and instead of

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Speaker 1: the play, which is which is great. I just think

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Speaker 1: he's got an elite super power versus the run. He's

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Speaker 1: never going to be a super dynamic pass rusher. He

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Speaker 1: does have a little bit of kind of hand fighting

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Speaker 1: quickness for a man that size, but he's never going

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Speaker 1: these other guys on the list star. But his superpower

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Speaker 1: he can hold the point really well. Again, not the

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Speaker 1: be like this great pass rusher, but man like he

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe he's not going to be a true

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Speaker 1: died in the wole three down player, but I think

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Speaker 1: he's a guy that if you're having a hard time

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Speaker 1: he just seems to have tremendous awareness for offensive run

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Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you a question there, because I

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Speaker 2: Just like extension.

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Speaker 3: Oh it looks so nice and he's big and powerful.

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Speaker 3: When I watched him, I went, you know what, I

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Speaker 1: So I don't disagree with that assessment because, like I said,

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Speaker 1: I think the thing that hurts him is he's not

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Speaker 2: I think the other thing too, is he doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Have the longest arm, so like in play action pass

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Speaker 1: I just think his ceiling in that area is going

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Speaker 3: Well, that's why I'm just a guy because I didn't

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Speaker 1: And I think the great thing for him too is,

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Speaker 1: moves very well. I don't have his forty time right

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Speaker 1: if you don't look it up, Jason, But he just.

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Speaker 2: Moves really well.

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Speaker 1: He's got good bend, and so do I think he

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Speaker 1: he's never going to be a ten sack guy, never

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Speaker 3: All right, So Taaleque Williams from Ohio State is forty.

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Speaker 3: He didn't run it at the combine. What I found

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Speaker 1: He's kind of he's he's had a few biscuits since then,

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Speaker 3: All right. So number nine you have.

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Speaker 1: Jared Harrison Junte from SMU. He's six three and a half.

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Speaker 1: He's I think he's two hundred and ninety pounds thirty

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Speaker 1: kind of not super wide in the hips, but he

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Speaker 1: makes up for it because he's such a tremendous like

435
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Speaker 1: he's got tremendous burst and get off and really flashed

436
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Speaker 1: in a way that I was not expecting when I

437
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Speaker 1: started watching this film.

438
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he started all fourteen games for SMU and at

439
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Speaker 3: a career high for tackles with forty two eighteen of

440
00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,160
Speaker 3: them where solo six and a half sacks, one little interception,

441
00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:04,080
Speaker 3: A nice little thing for.

442
00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:05,040
Speaker 2: Him there on a screen.

443
00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:09,760
Speaker 3: Maeah, and he's was at the East fresh Trimble. Is

444
00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:10,120
Speaker 3: that right?

445
00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:10,520
Speaker 2: I think so?

446
00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:15,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he's an All ACC first team so no slacker.

447
00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:17,760
Speaker 3: I didn't watch him yet.

448
00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:19,520
Speaker 2: No, I mean he was a guy. Honestly.

449
00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,719
Speaker 1: I was just going through the combined numbers and was like,

450
00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,919
Speaker 1: let's take a look at this guy and see what happens.

451
00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:24,800
Speaker 2: And I was really watching.

452
00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,200
Speaker 1: I think his name is Elijah Roberts, the defensive end

453
00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,080
Speaker 1: from SMU, And then this guy just kept popping up

454
00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:31,520
Speaker 1: on tape and I was like, I'm gonna just watch

455
00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:32,560
Speaker 1: this guy, see what happens.

456
00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,359
Speaker 3: And that's what's fun about doing this with you. I

457
00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,439
Speaker 3: haven't seen his name pop up in many places. And

458
00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:38,879
Speaker 3: then when you sent me your list, I was like,

459
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,920
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, I didn't watch him because I watched

460
00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,240
Speaker 3: about I think it was like fifteen guys that are

461
00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,000
Speaker 3: generally what the national media says, and you have some

462
00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:47,720
Speaker 3: guys on here that were not in there. So I'm

463
00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,800
Speaker 3: excited to go back and rewatch it, especially after looking

464
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Speaker 3: up his bio and he had a bawler season his

465
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Speaker 3: last year. All right, so number eight is our first

466
00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:57,680
Speaker 3: on the list from Oregon.

467
00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jamiriy Caldwell.

468
00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:05,040
Speaker 1: And he has maybe been my most fun player to

469
00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,679
Speaker 1: watch throughout the preseason process. I mean, he absolutely just

470
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,760
Speaker 1: flashed at the Senior Bowl, And I think flash is

471
00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,399
Speaker 1: the right word for him, because you wouldn't expect a

472
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Speaker 1: guy who's six one and a half and three point

473
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,480
Speaker 1: thirty four to move and bend and kind of have

474
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,760
Speaker 1: the natural body lean of someone like this, Like he

475
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:29,359
Speaker 1: is special man. His ability to defeat blocks, penetrate, run

476
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,920
Speaker 1: to the football, have a little bit of pass thrush

477
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,040
Speaker 1: juice right, was just incredibly impressive. You watch in versus

478
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 1: Ohio State, like he's damn near unblockable at times, and

479
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,359
Speaker 1: so like maybe I was thinking about this through like

480
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,000
Speaker 1: a commander's focused lens, but I was like, if you

481
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,359
Speaker 1: got him in here, he just raises the value of

482
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,679
Speaker 1: your run stopping defense immediately. And he's got the ability

483
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,440
Speaker 1: to penetrate if you want that to be part of

484
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,400
Speaker 1: your defensive identity. At that body size and at that weight,

485
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,439
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the longest arms in the world, but man,

486
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 1: he's got a great feel for that stuff. Like he

487
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 1: just he's one of my favorite players. Like he ran

488
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 1: well at the comment he ran a five to one four,

489
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,639
Speaker 1: Like really just tested off the charts, bends well, moves

490
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 1: well as a tremendous athlete for his size, and then

491
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,960
Speaker 1: couple that with the feel and the natural playmaking instincts.

492
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,679
Speaker 1: He's never going to be a super juiced up pass rusher.

493
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 1: But the reason he's higher on the list than Junta

494
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 1: and Williams is because he's a better pass rusher than Williams.

495
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 1: And he's way more consistent down to down as a

496
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 1: playmaker than Harrison Nute from SMU. So that's why he's

497
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Speaker 1: a number eight on my list.

498
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's gotten really nice hands, I thought, very active,

499
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,359
Speaker 3: and he seems like he just eats up space. So

500
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 3: like he's the length rate isn't there, Yeah, but like

501
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 3: he still fills up very well. Like he's thick.

502
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 1: He's a funny guy because he's short, he's short stout,

503
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 1: But I mean he just like sometimes you just talk

504
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 1: about making plays like he just does it and he

505
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 1: has a great feel for it and it's something that

506
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,439
Speaker 1: really just jumps out on film. You're like, man, like

507
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 1: this guy is really really impressive. Yeah, like it's again

508
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 1: like it just watch watch any Oregon game and both

509
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,239
Speaker 1: their defensive tackles are absolute maniacs. But he is a

510
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 1: playmaker at that body weight. And you know, we talked

511
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 1: about the ability to like the stack blocks up, so

512
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 1: use my length, use my limit arm like lock blocks

513
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 1: out play black across blocks, penetrate like it's all there

514
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,199
Speaker 1: for him, man. And you know the fact that this

515
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Speaker 1: guy's number eight on my list, I think speaks to

516
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Speaker 1: how talented the rest of this class is.

517
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Speaker 3: Quite honestly, all right, let's move on's who's your number

518
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 3: seven now?

519
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: Darius Alexander from Toledo. I think everyone's probably heard him.

520
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 1: He was at the Senior Bowl, He's at the Combine,

521
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: tested really well, had a decent Senior Bowl game.

522
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Speaker 2: The reason he's lower.

523
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 1: On my list than I think a lot of people

524
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 1: in the national media is because, you know, I'm watching

525
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,919
Speaker 1: him play small schools he sees from Toledo, and he

526
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: really just relies on being bigger and longer than everybody.

527
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: Like he's not a super refined mover. His techniques not great.

528
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: He's just the biggest, baddest dude on the field. Kind

529
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,959
Speaker 1: of like Mike Green a little bit from Marshall, Like

530
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: that's kind of the vibe I got from him. And

531
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Speaker 1: so at the Senior Bowl, everyone was talking about how

532
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 1: good he was and he had a great week, but

533
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 1: it wasn't as dominant as it was when he was

534
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: at Toledo, And so I'm kind of saying, like this move.

535
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Speaker 1: He has this really nice long arm move that he

536
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: is in college where he absolutely fork lifts people back

537
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 1: in the quarterback and I'm like, that's not going to

538
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: play against NFL offensive lineman. You're gonna have to grow

539
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,959
Speaker 1: and learn. And he's twenty six years old, so he'll

540
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 1: be twenty seven when he gets drafted, So he's an

541
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: old prospect with not a lot of refinement to his game.

542
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 2: So I'm kind of like, how much time do you have.

543
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: Really to work with this guy and get him better Again,

544
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 1: he's tremendously athletic, he's huge, he's got awesome length.

545
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 3: So is that what you're betting on then? Because you

546
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 3: have these hesitations? But he's also seventies in a deep class,

547
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 3: So it's it's the size, it's.

548
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 2: The other stuff.

549
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: You're kind of saying, like, he'll get with better guys,

550
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,719
Speaker 1: the competition will be better, But like he's there's they

551
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: don't find many people that look and it's look is

552
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 1: one thing, but movement is the other thing too. Like

553
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: he's just a big athlete, and you know, there's some

554
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: big dudes on this list, a big dudes on the

555
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 1: twenty guys that I watched, But holy cow, man, he

556
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 1: just he just flies around and he's physical, he's violent,

557
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: he makes a lot of plays. He's got natural bend.

558
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: I think that was the other thing. You know, there's

559
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 1: a guy we're going to talk about in our in

560
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: our kind of what do they call the extras, Yeah,

561
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 1: the ones for the nerds that are that is very

562
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: similar to this player. But his ben and his just

563
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: general movement competency. I was just like, man, someone's going

564
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: to take a flyer in this guy, and I would

565
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 1: totally understand why.

566
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 3: So at number six is a guy that I wrote

567
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 3: down he's a freak athlete who's just a big, bad man,

568
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 3: and that is.

569
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: H Kenneth Kenneth Grant from Michigan. And I think a

570
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: lot of people will be surprised to see him here

571
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: at this juncture at six. I think a lot of

572
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 1: people will have him at two and if you and

573
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: I don't have any issue with you having of it too,

574
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: because I actually you understand completely, Like he's a freaky

575
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: human being. He's gigantic, he's long, he moves well from

576
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: being three hundred threty four pounds, he moves great.

577
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 3: He's strong too, Yeah, I wrote down snow plow path.

578
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's very strong. I think the thing that, like,

579
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about with Williams. We talked about

580
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: it with Caldwell from Oregon, Williams from my house state

581
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: is a technical understanding of the run game and like

582
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: where to play, how to play a box, where my

583
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: hand should be, how do I shed when I'm getting

584
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: certain combinations, like where I need to now fit and fill?

585
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: And I didn't get that same sense of urgency from

586
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: Keith Grant from Kenneth Grant, and I didn't get the

587
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: same kind of awareness. And I also got a little

588
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: bit of like laziness or lackadaisicalness from him as a

589
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: guy that I was like again, like I like the power,

590
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: I like the movement skills, I like the length. But

591
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: sometimes he's standing tree top tall and he gets thrown

592
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: out of the club and I'm like, for a guy

593
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: who is going to be a top twenty pick in

594
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: the draft, like I think these other guys are playing

595
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: with more consistency in college. Now, I understand you're betting

596
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: on the frame, you're betting on the athlete. He does

597
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: flash man Like there was a play versus I want

598
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: to say Minnesota where he like runs down a screen

599
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: and he's you know, he's three hundred and thirty five pounds.

600
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: You're just like, holy cow, Like where did that come from?

601
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: So there is that, but he reminds me a little

602
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: bit of like Jordan Davis, and Jordan Davis isn't a

603
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: bad comp because you know, Jordan Davis went top I

604
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: was the eleventh pick or tenth pick in the draft.

605
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: The thing that I keep coming back to is that

606
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis only plays about a third of the snaps

607
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: for Philadelphia. So if he's going to do that for you, like,

608
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: has he shown enough pass rush upside? Has he shown

609
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: enough general athleticism technical mastery to warrant being a top

610
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 1: twenty pick or a top twenty five pick. And I

611
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: just was a little bit dubious because I again, like

612
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: I think Williams and Caldwell do a.

613
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 2: Better job of that. Now they're not the athlete, not

614
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 2: the specimen that guy is. But that's why he's six.

615
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 3: In my list. Okay, So I want you to tell me,

616
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 3: So this is just what I saw, and I want

617
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 3: you to tell me what I'm missing. So you said

618
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 3: the word like laziness a little bit in there, or

619
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 3: like it's just a little slow maybe at times, like

620
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 3: I don't. What it looked like to me is that

621
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 3: he has a very surprising burst for as big as

622
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 3: he is, Like when ione's like whoa, he knows when

623
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 3: to turn that one and when to turn it off.

624
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 3: It looks like and he can move laterally really really

625
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 3: well for being as big as he is. And that's

626
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 3: kind of what stood out to me. I did see,

627
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 3: like I wrote down here in his cons can get

628
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 3: caught fighting block sometimes and just gets kind of stuck there.

629
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 3: But there are times where he gets stuck there and

630
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 3: it's like, I'm fine with it because it looks like

631
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 3: you're not going to have an impact on this play.

632
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 3: It's already passed where you need to be. There are

633
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 3: other times where it's like he's kind of stuck there.

634
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: The plays developing in front of him and then just boom,

635
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 3: explosive burst right out there. So I see what you're saying. Yeah,

636
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: But like what am I missing because I feel, I

637
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 3: don't know, there's something about him. I don't see laziness.

638
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: So it's a maybe a lack of urgency. I think

639
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: it's the word I'm going to say. Like there's times

640
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: where I see him kind of like he's got a

641
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: hand on a block and he's just kind of looking

642
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: through and he seems to be content staying blocked. And

643
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: I've heard that that's not from I saw that, but

644
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: I've also heard that from Scouts and other people I've

645
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: talked to, And so that's where I just kind of

646
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: I couldn't settle in on it because there's other guys

647
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: on this list that we're going to talk about here

648
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: in a second that I think fill similar roles to him,

649
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: that I think play with tremendous urgency, tremendous awareness, and

650
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: I just don't didn't see it, you know, Like when

651
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: you like mel Kiper, I think is that it best?

652
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: It's like for being as big and as athletic as

653
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: he is, Like I want more, I expect more, Like

654
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: you know, Calledwell, I'm going to go back to him,

655
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: Like when you turn on the film, he is fighting

656
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: for his life on every play to split, to stack,

657
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: to penetrate, and he makes plays and he's very disruptive constantly.

658
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: I feel like our guy, Kenneth Grant again, he's higher

659
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: than called bole because he's a freak, right, He's a

660
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: physical freak. Is just there that's not there. And with

661
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: big dudes like that, that's something that I've seen a

662
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: lot of big dudes get drafted. I've played with a

663
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: lot of big dudes like that of the course of

664
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: my career, and they, for whatever reason, never turn it on.

665
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: And I don't understand why.

666
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: And again, like, why would I risk not getting what

667
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: I want out of him or not getting what I

668
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: think I can get out of him when there's five

669
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: or six other dudes in this draft that will absolutely

670
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: die on the field for you.

671
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: And I think that's where I come down on it.

672
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 3: And I think you're also like some And sometimes when

673
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 3: I'm watching this, I don't have the same mindset that

674
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: you do because I get lost in like, this is

675
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 3: not who they're going to be, right, this is just

676
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 3: this is still multiple clue. So when I obviously, as

677
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 3: you pick higher up. You want to mitigate risk, as

678
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 3: you said, so you want to see more so it's

679
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: less of like a work in progress. But all of

680
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 3: these guys are going to improve in some way or another.

681
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 3: And if this is one that's harder for you to say,

682
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 3: I don't know if it will improve no matter what.

683
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: I think I put on there, that's on the sheet

684
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: I think I put like, interview is going to be

685
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: a big deal for him, right because if he interviews

686
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: great and you feel confident, and he kind of answers

687
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: all the questions and he's a leader, and he's got

688
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: this charisma to him and he's got this work ethic

689
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: that I'm going to bet on that guy, right because

690
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 1: the traits are there, you know what I'm saying. But

691
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: the thing that I can't get past is like I've

692
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: seen so many guys like I go back to Jordan Davis.

693
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: This is the one that's closest in proximity to this

694
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: who has everything physically you want, everything you could possibly want,

695
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: but doesn't play like it all the time. And so

696
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: I want a dude who I'd rather take, the dude

697
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: who's a little bit less physically gifted, who's going to

698
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: pour it out for me, and I think that's where

699
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: I come down on it.

700
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 3: Gotcha. The next one is one of my favorites in here,

701
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 3: who's just an absolutely large human large, and that's Alfred

702
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 3: Collins from Texas.

703
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: I mean large is probably doing him a little bit

704
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: of a disservice because he was. He was the biggest

705
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: human at the combine. And so what that means is

706
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: like they measure wingspan, and was like, why the hell

707
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: do you measure wingspan? Wigspan is just body size, right.

708
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: If you have a big win wingspan, you have a

709
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,479
Speaker 1: big chest, you've got long arms, you're just a big human.

710
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: So he was the largest of the defensive lineman. He

711
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: was eighty five inches, which is a crazy number. And

712
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: he's a huge man, Like he's super heavy. I want

713
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: to make sure I get his exact numbers here. So

714
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: he's six' five and five, eighths so bigger Than Kenneth.

715
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: Grant he's three hundred and thirty two. Pounds he weighed

716
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: heavier Than Kenneth. Grant he's got thirty four and five

717
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: inches five inches. Arms his arms are two inches longer

718
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: Than Kenneth grant his hand or ten inches his wingspan

719
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: we just talked, about and he plays harder Than Kenneth,

720
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: grant and so, like why this is kind of one

721
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: Where i'm, like he didn't run a, forty but like

722
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: he makes. Plays you're, like he's that big doing that

723
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: locking guys, out throwing them. Down he's got a little

724
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: spin move that he. Runs he's got a nice little

725
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: cross shop that he. Runs he's got like weird kind

726
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: of ballerina feet for a man who's that. Size he was, Like,

727
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: logan you're describing a guy should go top. Ten he

728
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: gases out in like ten plays like he is in bad.

729
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: Shape LIKE i don't know what his deal, Is like

730
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: he needs to go with a strength, coach get an

731
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: asmin hal or whatever it. Is he will show you

732
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: the best four plays you've ever seen and then be

733
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: off the field for ten and then come Back you're,

734
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: like oh my, god there's that guy again.

735
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: And off the.

736
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: Field so whatever he's doing aerobically needs to. Improve but the,

737
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: length the heavy, hands the, size the foot, speed the,

738
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,719
Speaker 1: athleticism the, instincts it's. There it's just you might only

739
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: get it for twenty snaps in a.

740
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 3: Game, Yeah and you know, what it's so funny BECAUSE

741
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: i wrote he is a point of attack dominator stack

742
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 3: and should black. Destroyer he is going to legitimately just

743
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 3: clog up get ap and he, is like you, said

744
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 3: he fights.

745
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,239
Speaker 2: Man he is he's a. Grinder, yeah he's in.

746
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 3: There he's a.

747
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: Grinder and then so THAT i was, like, well Maybe

748
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: i'm being hard on. Him but then we go to

749
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,479
Speaker 1: the combine and they do the hoop drill and so

750
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: he has to put his hands on his. Knees after the,

751
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: hoop he walks back. Slowly guys are, running remember that.

752
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: Guy we're running past them to get in. Line he

753
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: gets in, Line he's got to move everybody out the,

754
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: way get to his. Spot like he's got a conditioning.

755
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 3: AND i AND i wrote down that the tank is ON.

756
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 3: E and you, know like when you're driving the car

757
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 3: and you get. It my wife does this all the.

758
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: Time she never fills up the car with. Gas So i'm,

759
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 3: like all, Right i'm gonna go take the kids to

760
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 3: whatever they need to go. To AND i get in

761
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 3: the car AND i turn in the one and it's ONE.

762
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 3: E and it's not like it's past the point of

763
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 3: where it tells you how many. Miles it's just like

764
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 3: low and you're, like, well this could MEAN i have one,

765
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 3: mile it could MEAN i have ten. Miles, Right so

766
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 3: that's what he's like to, Me like he's gonna get

767
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 3: out there and he's gonna he's gonna. Go, oh but

768
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 3: who knows when the car is?

769
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: Stalling, yeah who knows when the car is going to?

770
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 1: Stall and it's his film IS i was so. IMPRESSED

771
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: i was so he's so big and for him to

772
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: move the way he, does for him to do all

773
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: the things he just talked about with the physical violence

774
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: and the consistency he does it, WITH i was blown.

775
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: AWAY i was blown. Away BUT i just was, like

776
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 2: you're how much are you gonna?

777
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 3: Play and we have excellent strength and conditioning coaches With,

778
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 3: washington So i'm not really worried about.

779
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: It they'll figure it out and figure it, out figure

780
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: it out.

781
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 3: Because like you, said he's a, grinder and as you

782
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 3: were saying earlier with one of the other, players like

783
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 3: there's something about when you're a. Grinder, yeah like your deficiencies,

784
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 3: here it's, more, uh you're willing to bet on them

785
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 3: because it's, like, well you got the workout THAT i

786
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 3: see it on the, field like YOU i don't need

787
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 3: to be, proved play, hard SO i know you're gonna

788
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 3: work hard to get. Better so maybe maybe conditioning is

789
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 3: always a. Problem but it looks like because he's such

790
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 3: a grinder in the, field like you, said he's gonna

791
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 3: he's gonna take a coach to heart and work on.

792
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 3: Something and again like hopefully he doesn't lose some of

793
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 3: what he has because of that. Too his size is

794
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 3: a big.

795
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: Plays AND i also think like at the, combine he

796
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: doesn't look like he's out of like he doesn't look like.

797
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: Bad he doesn't have a bad body really like like like,

798
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: Uh Dion, walker you know From kentucky bad body kind

799
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: Of oh what's going on? Here this guy's not. That

800
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: he just NEEDS i think someone to kind of push

801
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: him a little bit BECAUSE i think he could BE

802
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: i think he could be the when it's all said and,

803
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: DONE i think you could be the most special player

804
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: in the.

805
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 3: Strip and, moving, YEAH i don't. Disagree moving on the

806
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 3: number for the other defensive tackle From, Oregon.

807
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: Derek harmon From morgan AND I i wanted to put

808
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: him maybe as the number one. GUY i really. DID

809
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: i was, LIKE i really like what he. Does he

810
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: plays four, eye he plays, nose he plays stand up

811
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: end in certain situations At. Oregon he has tremendous arm.

812
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 1: Length he uses his length. Well he's got great, instincts

813
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: he's got great play. Strength he's got really above average.

814
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: Athleticism like he can and stunt and loop and. Move

815
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: AND i was all, set, MAN i was all set

816
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: to put him as the number one guy on the.

817
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: List but there's a little bit of hip stiffness that

818
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: so he can't bend and like get around the corner

819
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: and he'll make a nice move At and that's the other.

820
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: Thing he's not as polished as a pass rusher or some.

821
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: Of these other.

822
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 1: Guys so like he's got, this he's a. Freak he moves,

823
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: well he's got great, Length he plays hard all the.

824
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: Time he doesn't have The collins issue where he's a

825
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: little bit gassed. Out he can play sixty snaps if

826
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 1: you want him, to and he can do it at multiple.

827
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: Spots the thing THAT i just couldn't get over, is

828
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: like everyone is comparison comparing him To Christian. Jones he

829
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 1: doesn't bend Like Christian. Jones he doesn't have the hand

830
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: consistency in terms of past rush Of Christian. Jones so

831
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 1: he'll beat a guy and then to finish that, RUSH

832
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: i got to dip my, shoulder bend my hips and

833
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: get down there and turn that corner and make that.

834
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 1: Tackle he can't do that right, now and so that's

835
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: where there's a little bit of.

836
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: Reservation but in terms.

837
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: Of, prospect like he feels like the best get on

838
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: bass pick of anybody in this. Class like he's gonna

839
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: come in be A day one, starter AND i don't

840
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: know where his ceiling, is but his floor is a

841
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: GOOD nfl starter right.

842
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: Now.

843
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: YEAH i love when this, Happens legan Because i'm just

844
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 3: a guy And i'm trying to learn this and LIKE

845
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 3: i because you, said like all the things you're, Saying

846
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 3: i'm over here smiling because LIKE i feel validated a

847
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 3: little bit because what DID i? WRITE i wrote, Tight

848
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 3: hibson can't bend all that, Well like that's, It that's

849
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 3: what but everything else is it's just right there right big,

850
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 3: body explosive through the. GAPS i also thought he had

851
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 3: like really NICE i don't want to say football Q,

852
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 3: iq but he's a team.

853
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 2: Player he's smart.

854
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 3: With stunts and the, twist like he's willing to do

855
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 3: the dirty work to free up another.

856
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: Player, yeah WHICH i Love that d line coach At

857
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: oregon must have been awesome Because Jimarry caldwell plays the same.

858
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: Way like they both are really. Unselfish they're really smart.

859
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: Players AND i just think the Reason Derek harmons is

860
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: highest because he's Just he's just. Better he's a better,

861
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: Athlete he's got more, upside he can do more, Stuff

862
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 1: he's more scheme. AGNOSTIC i really think if he can

863
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 1: figure some of the past row stuff, out he could

864
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: be a very effective pass rustaurant third. DOWN i just

865
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: haven't seen it from, him AND i do have a

866
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: little bit of reservation about his hip, titness which makes me.

867
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: Nervous.

868
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: Okay at number three Is Omar Norman lot From.

869
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: Tennessee, yeah, so, kids this is why you watch more

870
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: than one. GAME i forget which GAME i. WATCHED i

871
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: think it was The vanderbilt, game AND i was, LIKE

872
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: i don't, know, man he just doesn't seem super. Intuitive

873
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: seems like he's having a hard time kind of feeling plays.

874
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: Out you do see some explosive, twitch you see some,

875
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: burst but, MAN i don't. Know so THEN i got

876
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: kind of went away from it for a little bit

877
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: went back and watched THE Nc state game and we

878
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: talked about being. Disruptive he was the most disruptive PLAYER

879
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: i watched in that, game and you, know he was.

880
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: Unblockable he's got great length for his. Size he got

881
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: thirty four inch. Arms he's like six to, one kind

882
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: of a short shot off exactly which you. Want short sawed,

883
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: off wide, hipped long armed, guy and he's quick off the.

884
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: Ball he gets his hands on. People he's got a

885
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: really great timing and feel for pass rush, moves knocking hands.

886
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: Down he's got enough length to kind of stun yet

887
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: the line of. Scrimmage he can. Shed he's pretty, instinctive

888
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: and he's fast.

889
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: Man he's. Fast he plays a great.

890
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: MOTOR i watched probably thirty plays of THE Nc state,

891
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: game And i'd say.

892
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 2: He was disruptive on over half of.

893
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: Them like he was affecting the play in a way

894
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: that no other PLAYER i had watched in this class had. Done,

895
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: now they do like hockey line rotations At, tennessee so

896
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: it's really hard to, judge like how he's going to

897
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: play in a whole. Game is this something he's doing

898
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: just because he's super, Fresh so that's why he's the third,

899
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: guy but man's he was incredibly impressive and all the

900
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: things you want to see from like a modern defensive

901
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: tackle from like your ability to stop the, run, penetrate,

902
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: gaps rush the. PASSER i JUST i, said this is

903
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: the guy you, know and if you're going to take

904
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: a fire on some this would be it for.

905
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 3: Me so here's the one THING i looked up for

906
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 3: him THAT i thought was kind of stuck. Out he

907
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 3: gets a penalty for every thirty eight snaps that he's

908
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 3: a part.

909
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: No, kidding which a little on.

910
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 3: Disciplined not sure.

911
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: Why that is thirty eight snaps.

912
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 3: Every thirty eight snaps he had a penalty a.

913
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: False starter or do you don't?

914
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 3: Know it doesn't say it doesn't say it just says

915
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 3: penalty thirty eight snaps that he, had which.

916
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 2: Is pretty that's pretty freak.

917
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 3: Wild but, YEAH i mean he's a pass rush. NIGHTMARE

918
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 3: i think as a defense SNACKLE i actually wrote as a.

919
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 3: COMPARISON i hope Our washington commanders fans were like, This

920
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 3: he's Like Doran pain but, raw like very Raw.

921
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 1: Dorn BUT i think he's got more, bend more natural

922
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: path Like doran's a freak he's, explosive he's, twitchy he's

923
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: a lot of fun to, watch but a LOT i

924
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: was surprised by how refined he was as a pass.

925
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: Rusher so when you're watching a really good pass, rusher

926
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: there's like a rhythm and.

927
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 2: Timing it's almost like a.

928
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: Dance and he's got the dance moves that you're looking,

929
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: for AND i, think in conjunction with the just general

930
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: effort that he plays with his ability to do that

931
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: stuff was just incredibly, impressive all.

932
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: Right and at number two is one Of Fred smoot's

933
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 3: boys From Ole, Miss Walter.

934
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: Nolan Walter nolan does Everything Omar Omar Norman lott, does

935
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: but he just does it. Better he just does it not,

936
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: better BECAUSE i actually Think Norman lott has a better

937
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: pass rush. Dance BUT i do Think Walter nolan is

938
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: on rundowns, consistently more, snappy he's a little bit better,

939
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: penetrator he's a little bit more, disruptive and he's got

940
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: the bend that you kind of want from a pass.

941
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: Rush he's a little, undersized BUT i think the combine

942
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: did him a lot of favors because he's not as

943
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 1: undersized as everyone.

944
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 2: Thought he'd.

945
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: Be he's six three and a. Half he's two ninety,

946
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: five so everyone thought he was going to be this really,

947
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: tiny kind, of you, know eighty five type. Guy but

948
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: he's AN nfl starting defensive. Lineman he's lengths, fine serviceable,

949
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: length and the film speaks for. ITSELF i wish there

950
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: was SOMETHING i could say here that would enhance. This

951
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: but like good pass rush, ability good against the explosive

952
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: versus the. Run you, know like twitchy kind of got

953
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: good knot back and penetrate and a generally good instinct

954
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: for the. Game so that's WHAT i feel about.

955
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 3: Him So i'm going to push back just a little.

956
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 3: Bit all, Right So i'm going to say that FROM

957
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 3: i wrote down positives all the things you were talking,

958
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 3: about but some of the cons THAT i wrote, down

959
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 3: AND i could have just missed it Because i'm just a.

960
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 3: Guy is at the handwork look a little, messy and

961
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 3: he was annoying in the run, game but not really.

962
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: Disruptive, YEAH i think that's where, Like so MAYBE i

963
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: was evaluating him based on. Commanders, OKAY i feel like

964
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: he's a commander's. Player, okay what he means by, that.

965
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 2: He's going to.

966
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: Penetrate he's going to get in the. Gap he's going

967
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: to be, disruptive he's going to mess up double teams

968
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: because he's maybe not going to make the, tackle but

969
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna remember that vertical. Penetration we talked about a

970
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: lot of the guys we talked about on this, List

971
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: so like Your Alfred, collins You're Derek harmon's your You're

972
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: Jamira caldwell as Your Tyler williams are good at like

973
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: hands on, blocks, shedding, splitting being in my. Gap he's

974
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: going to dive up the field at one thousand miles an.

975
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: Hour he's going to pick off the. Guard it's going

976
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: to make a big. Mess the running back's going to

977
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 1: sweak through to an unblock. Linebacker like that's Really you're

978
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: relying solely on his ability to be explosive and get

979
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: off the. Football AND i do think he's good enough

980
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: to do the other. Stuff but that's WHERE i think

981
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: he's not my number one player for a. Reason it

982
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: was very, close, obviously BUT i don't disagree with. THAT

983
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: i just THINK i was, thinking, like how would he

984
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: fit in the system a little, bit which is maybe

985
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: a bias towards. Commanders, obviously but like that ability to

986
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: get in the, backfield to, penetrate to be. DISRUPTIVE i

987
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: thought it was pretty.

988
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 3: Special absolutely all. Right so you mentioned your number one

989
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 3: Now logan before we started. Filming, yes you said that

990
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: you didn't want to put him as your. NUMBERS i

991
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 3: didn't want, To, Okay So i'm going to challenge you

992
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: and to challenge, me right because not THAT i disagree

993
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 3: with number, one that it's not that it's NOT i,

994
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 3: MEAN i JUST i really want to dissect what you said,

995
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 3: there so AS i could probably guess number one is From,

996
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 3: Michigan Mason. Graham that's pretty much a consensus universal number, one,

997
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 3: potential top, ten maybe even top. Five ye. Okay and

998
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 3: then you SAID i don't, know and that surprised me

999
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 3: a little. Bit AND i, said well then why did

1000
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 3: you put them at your number? One and you're, like ah,

1001
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 3: know Well.

1002
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 2: I'll tell you.

1003
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: Why so you're not going to find a more consistent

1004
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: player in this draft. Class AND i think that's ultimately

1005
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:27,959
Speaker 1: WHAT i settled.

1006
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: On, Right.

1007
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: Okay he doesn't have the pass rush juice of The

1008
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: Walter nolans or The Omar Norman. Lots he's not as

1009
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 1: physical in the run game necessarily as The Alfred collins

1010
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: or The Derrek harmon's, right he's not, that But i'll

1011
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: be damned if he doesn't play every play like he's

1012
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: about to die on the. Field he's got good. Technique

1013
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: he's got good quickness and not.

1014
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: Great see.

1015
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: Listen this Is i'm saying good a, lot not, great

1016
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: but good, quickness good, play, strength good. Feel and when

1017
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 1: you kind of look at all the, averages there's nothing

1018
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 1: that really. Excels like when you Watch norman as a pass,

1019
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: rush you're, like oh my. God when you Watch williams

1020
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: as a run, Stop you're, like oh my, god this is.

1021
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: Incredible everything's like a SOLID c PLUS b minus. Roim

1022
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: but every single category is like. That the way he

1023
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: pursues the, football his football, instincts like it's all. There

1024
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: so like when he reminds me a little bit of

1025
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: Like Joe alt last, Year LIKE i didn't Love Joe,

1026
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 1: aalt but he was going to be a good. Pro

1027
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: right how good of a? PRO i didn't know BECAUSE

1028
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: i was worried about athletic upside and. Ceiling that's KIND

1029
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: i feel About mason. Gram he's going to be a good,

1030
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: pro but is he going to ever be like a

1031
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: Top like when you take a guy in the top,

1032
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: five you're looking for a game, changing game wrecking type,

1033
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: player And i'm not sure he fits that, bill you,

1034
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: know like when you compare him To fisk from last,

1035
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,479
Speaker 1: year for, Example, fisk when we watch him at The Senior,

1036
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: bowl the, quickness the, balance it showed up every. Play

1037
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: he was penetrating in the team drills and, here like

1038
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: there's times where he goes real quiet for a long,

1039
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: time real, quiet not very disruptive when there's other, Guys

1040
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: like they're in the back of the, lot they're making,

1041
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: plays they're throwing guys on the, ground they're you, know

1042
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: like The collins. Man like we talked about every, player

1043
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: like this guy is a problem right, Now he's not

1044
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: gonna pay all the. Time Mason graham does not come

1045
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: off the field very, rarely Right he's playing the whole.

1046
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: Time so that's kind of where, again like he just

1047
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: was so, consistent and as much AS i wanted to

1048
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: put someone else ahead of, HIM i couldn't justify it

1049
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: because the level of consistency was so.

1050
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 2: GOOD i just.

1051
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: Worry that this is this is who he's going to

1052
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: be in THE, nfl and that's a good. Player but

1053
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: when you're drafting a guy top, five you want a difference,

1054
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 1: maker and is he ever going to be that consistent difference?

1055
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: Maker AND i don't the. Question the answer IS i don't.

1056
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: Know and that's WHY i was so, Cool LIKE i

1057
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: was so nervous about putting him. HERE i just couldn't

1058
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: justify putting else anyone else above, him because he was

1059
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: just missed your consistency across the.

1060
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 3: Board SO i know this is a tough, Question but

1061
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 3: where then would you take him if you, want if

1062
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 3: you want in the top five or even the top,

1063
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 3: ten a difference. Maker and you're, like, well this is

1064
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 3: as you, like mitigating, risk nice one, base he's gonna

1065
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 3: Be he's going to at least be a. Double these are.

1066
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 3: Triple maybe he's on. Run he's at least be a.

1067
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 3: Double where do you find that?

1068
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: VALUE H so this is a really good. Question AND

1069
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: i was thinking about this last night WHEN i was

1070
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: putting this list. Together this would be a better question

1071
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: like when we do our big, boards you, know like

1072
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: because when you've watched everybody and you're, like this guy's

1073
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: a difference, maker this guy's a difference. Playmaker but and

1074
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 1: you go good on the, list then you can kind

1075
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: of get a better feel for what's out. There BUT

1076
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: i was thinking about, it and If i'm a, team

1077
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: Like i'm probably Taking Shamir stewart above, Him i'm Taking

1078
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: Abdual carter above. HIM i might be Taking tetro McMillan above,

1079
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: him just from a game changing, standpoint, right Taking Travis

1080
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: hunter probably above, him and then you kind of so

1081
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: that's four people right, there and AGAIN i think it

1082
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: helps him if there's not like a dominant offensive, Line

1083
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: i'm probably taking Armand membu above. Him so now he's

1084
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: the sixth, guy, Right SO i think for me comfort,

1085
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: level i'd probably take him anywhere between fifteen and. Ten like,

1086
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: SO i think there's probably. TEN i would, assume not

1087
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: having done a big, board that there's ten players better

1088
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: than him in this draft. Class but now That i'm

1089
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: thinking about, it like who else would you put above?

1090
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: Him you're not Putting Will johnson above, him like you,

1091
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: know you're not putting so like as you go, through you're,

1092
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: like maybe six is exactly where he's supposed to, be

1093
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: and that's still like a top five draft, pick you.

1094
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: Know SO i think this kind of speaks to that

1095
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: thing we were talking about the beginning of the show

1096
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: where the top of this draft class there's not a

1097
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: lot of blue chip guys that are like franchise, changing

1098
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: and so maybe you're okay with a guy who's going

1099
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: to be a really good starter in THE, nfl but

1100
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: maybe not never like an all pro you, Know Aaron

1101
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: donald type.

1102
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 3: Guy, yeah, hey, Look Mason graham has heavy and violent,

1103
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 3: Hands he's nimble and fluid pass rush moves, right he's

1104
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 3: got a, motor he plays. Nasty yeah he looks, small

1105
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 3: but you said before we even, started he's been doing

1106
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 3: this for four.

1107
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: Years and so that's maybe that's the. Thing it's, like

1108
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: as much as you want someone who's going to like

1109
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 1: light your hair on, fire like he's he's a, double

1110
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: he's a at the least.

1111
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 2: At the least a.

1112
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: Double AND i, think, like, again be a little bit Of,

1113
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: Joel like he's just a good. Prospect AND i think

1114
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: like that's something in the scouting community and probably me

1115
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:07,959
Speaker 1: PERSONALLY i have to get better at like that's.

1116
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: Good, yeah that's that's.

1117
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: Fine and that's kind of WHERE i am at on

1118
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: and he's just a good, Player like if he's if

1119
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: he's A washington, Commander like you're doing, backflip because he's

1120
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 1: going to be playing in THE nfl for ten years

1121
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: and he's going to do the right stuff and he's

1122
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: going to be a part of your defense and play

1123
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: hard every play and, again can he develop a little

1124
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: bit as a pass?

1125
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 2: RUSHER i hope, So but that's WHAT i.

1126
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: WAS i think that was maybe the most surprising thing

1127
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: is he didn't have like a super consistent pass. Rush

1128
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: kind of go to feel now a little. Bit that's

1129
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: the defense he's playing. In but that's kind of HOW

1130
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: i feel about. Him and that's my, list And i've

1131
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: actually like this is one of the better LISTS i

1132
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: feel about BECAUSE i feel LIKE i watched a lot

1133
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: of guys for. THIS i feel LIKE i have a

1134
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: very good feel for the position group AND i think

1135
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: all these, guys at least these top ten, guys like

1136
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: they'd make your team.

1137
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 3: Better right, now all, right for the, Nerds we're going

1138
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 3: to throw out four more, names just, names because a

1139
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 3: lot of people listen to these shows to hear names

1140
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 3: that are maybe not the same ones you hear over

1141
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 3: and over again With top tens all the. Time so

1142
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 3: we're gonna give you some guys that, well maybe they go.

1143
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 3: Higher we don't. Know the draft is, unpredictable but it's

1144
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 3: going to be middle round guys. Potentially So i'm going to.

1145
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 3: Start and the REASON i want to start is BECAUSE

1146
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 3: i really really like talking about this. Guy he was

1147
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 3: the very first GUY i. WATCHED i immediately texted. You

1148
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 3: he got me juice to watch as rest of this,

1149
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 3: class and IT'S Jj, Pegas Peggy, PEGGY i thinkas, YEAH

1150
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 3: i think It's pegas From. Mississippi he was six to

1151
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 3: two and a half three hundred and nine pounds and

1152
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 3: this this dude just he started his career as a tight.

1153
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 3: END i looked him. Up he started his career.

1154
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: As already nine and twenty twenty, three, right.

1155
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah and he moved the defensive. Line so he's technically.

1156
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 3: Raw but this dude is, huge and he is athletic

1157
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 3: for his, size and there's just he has he just

1158
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 3: moves so. Well he has he's laughably, ATHLETIC i, think

1159
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 3: and short area of. Quickness he has a spin move that's,

1160
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 3: Great like it's just, yeah he plays, tall he's, raw

1161
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 3: and he has looks like maybe adequate, power but, man

1162
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 3: he's just fun to, watch and there's something there when

1163
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 3: you have guys that are just this.

1164
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: Athletic and it was weird watching him because his combine

1165
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: numbers are just, man you, know you ran like a

1166
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: five to. One his arm lengths, Okay but then you

1167
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: watch them versus LIKE i forget where they were playing

1168
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: old miss VERSUS lsu and he's doing like a cross

1169
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 1: shop on our, Guy Will, campbell you know WHAT i,

1170
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: mean and you like and that takes a lot Of

1171
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: we talked about the dance of pass. Rush he's got

1172
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: the dance of pass, rush, Right he's like doing a

1173
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: S lin stunt and ricochets off the center and gets

1174
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: a tackle for a. Loss you're just, like dude just

1175
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: kind of makes plays and has a good feel for,

1176
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: football and he's just.

1177
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 3: Motor, yeah he's kind of.

1178
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 2: A, ballplayer you.

1179
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: Know like, again nothing crazy about his measurables or anything like,

1180
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: that but the rhythm of his play the athleticism that

1181
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: comes with.

1182
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 2: THAT i was pleasantly.

1183
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 1: Surprised AND i don't remember where he fell on my final,

1184
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: list BUT i think he was like, eleven maybe, twelve

1185
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: so he was really.

1186
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 3: Close, yeah this is the type of guy that when

1187
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 3: you start getting into the middle in later, rounds you're, like,

1188
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 3: man this dude just loves. Football think you can just.

1189
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 2: Tell and he played full running back.

1190
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 3: Round, yeah he did some running back wildcut. Stuff you

1191
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 3: told me that right. BEFORE i looked at some highlights

1192
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 3: right before he, started and, yeah the dude just he's

1193
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 3: just a football Football JOHNNY jj.

1194
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: Football at the, combine he worked out his tight end

1195
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,439
Speaker 1: and as a, fullback you, know they did fullback drills

1196
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 1: and he caught the ball. Afterwards and for a man

1197
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 1: that big to be moving like, that you're just, like, yeah.

1198
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 3: Yeah he's not going to be your tight end and

1199
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 3: he's not going to be your. Fullback but but like

1200
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 3: in situation you run him at the goal. Line that

1201
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 3: like a commander's access Year jade And daniel's first touchdown

1202
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 3: went To Trent.

1203
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: Scott Trent, Scott, yeah maybe it's J j Like alan

1204
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: Like percard From percard From patrick Krikcard. Card Patrick kricard

1205
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: From baltimore is a converted defensive. Lineman and so if

1206
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: you could get a package where you don't have to

1207
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: carry a fullback or you don't have to carry a

1208
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: gold goal line tight, end you could do that stuff for.

1209
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: You that's great, value but very, rhythmic very. Smooth looks

1210
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: weird on film because he wears number thirty, Nine so

1211
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:09,879
Speaker 1: but fun player to, watch all.

1212
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 3: Right who's your first guy here for the?

1213
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 2: Nerds Vernon bhuton is that we're gonna, Say, YEAH i Think.

1214
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 2: Bhuton so he wears number forty. Five he plays For.

1215
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: Texas he's six' five and.

1216
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: A HALF he's i think he's like, three fifteen three

1217
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: seventeen something, like that but thirty five, inch arms kind

1218
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: of a weird pear, shaped body kind of, wide hipped

1219
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: but plays with, great length, good athleticism AND what i

1220
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: mean by good athleticism is for a man of, that

1221
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: size He can he's got some pass, rush, Ability right

1222
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:39,919
Speaker 1: he's more of a penetrator's little stiff in, the hips

1223
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: so he's never gonna like turn, that corner but can

1224
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: push the pocket with. The length has a great feel

1225
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: for like the run. Scheme stuff not as stout as

1226
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: Like your williams Or your caldwells Or your collins Or your,

1227
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: harmon's RIGHT but i think he's a starting player or

1228
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: a rotation let me say a rotational player AT the.

1229
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: NFL level i will say his balance is a little

1230
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: bit up and down for ME when i, Watch him

1231
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: like times he's on, The ground, i'm like why are

1232
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: on the? Ground here but there's other times where he

1233
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: plays with great strength and. GREAT intuition i think could

1234
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: be like a first and second down rotational piece for.

1235
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: A TEAM and i think about, the commanders, you know

1236
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: with a later, round pick you know that could fill

1237
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,760
Speaker 1: a role of kind of a, run stopping bigger body,

1238
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 1: type guy and he seems to fit that bill.

1239
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 3: Very, nicely yeah he is a fifth, year senior played

1240
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 3: in fifty five games, sixteen starts so he has he

1241
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 3: has a little bit under. His belt his stats, aren't

1242
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 3: crazy but he's also on a lot of all. Academic,

1243
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 3: teams nice so, smart, dude right like a really nice

1244
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 3: piece probably in the. Later rounds, All right i'm going

1245
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 3: to TALK. About. TJ sanders i got to pull him.

1246
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 2: Up here this is a. Good one This. IS south

1247
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 2: i like this guy a, lot actually.

1248
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 3: All right so he HAS he, i think the ability

1249
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 3: to become a disruptor at the. Next level he has

1250
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 3: speed and an extra gear that he uses to explode in.

1251
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 3: The gap so there's something where like he's fast for,

1252
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 3: his size but he has an extra like fast and

1253
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 3: furious push the, knas button and there's a little explosiveness that,

1254
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 3: he uses and he somehow can he gets skinny at

1255
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,919
Speaker 3: the point of attack and can Kind of maybe maybe

1256
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 3: he's just undersized and that's why he can. Do THAT

1257
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 3: but i just really like. THIS guy i think it's because,

1258
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 3: he's fast he has, nice counters strong, arm. Bunches, flexibility

1259
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 3: yeah he's. Probably undersized he's missing that raw power and

1260
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 3: doesn't shed his blocks all that great and non. Passing

1261
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 3: downs there as the only NEGATIVES that i saw With my.

1262
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 3: JESSICA guy i so tell Me where, i'm right tell

1263
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 3: Me where. I'm wrong you're.

1264
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: The, EXPERT yeah i think he's probably the best pure,

1265
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: pass rusher like if you're looking for just like a.

1266
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: Fastball pitter like obviously we talked About omaronman Lot And,

1267
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: Walter nolan like those guys are higher on the list

1268
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: because they do both. Really well they play the run,

1269
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: Decently well they've got a. GOOD feel i will SAY.

1270
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,720
Speaker 1: T j sanders kind of has similar pass. Rush juice

1271
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: like he's got a kind of a wider way. Or

1272
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: moves he looks like a defensive end kind of the

1273
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: way he moves and. Bounds around he has a terrible

1274
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: time sitting the. Run right, he like if he's got

1275
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: his hands, on you he's got. A shot he's got,

1276
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: long arms got thirty four, inch arms so he can

1277
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: kind of keep you away and make. A play but

1278
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 1: if he's in a, double team if it's a gap scheme,

1279
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: at him he's kind of, high hipped he's got, really

1280
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: skinny relatively, skinny legs so he'll get pushed off the spot.

1281
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: Pretty EASILY and i think that's where he struggles and

1282
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,439
Speaker 1: where you're kind, of like what's? Your role, because again

1283
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: you do bring tremendous value as a, pass Rusher but

1284
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: i'm always worried about guys that are just solely.

1285
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 2: Pass RUSHERS like.

1286
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: I think he can develop. INTO more i think you

1287
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: can get a little. BIT bigger i think you can

1288
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: get a little. Bit heavier, but AGAIN like i wanted

1289
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: to put him higher on, the LIST but i think

1290
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: he had such a hard time with some of the,

1291
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 1: RUN stuff i just didn't know where he. Fit now

1292
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: very productive as a pass very very productive and adds

1293
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: immediate value. Day one like, rotational guy he just needs

1294
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: to figure out maybe some, better techniques maybe some more

1295
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: coaching with how to just improve his as on first.

1296
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 2: Second.

1297
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 3: DOWN yeah i really enjoyed, watching, Him right so the

1298
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 3: last one for the, Nerds here i'm.

1299
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 2: Gonna, do too is? That, okay okay.

1300
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah Yeah zeke Biggers From georgia tech is an interesting

1301
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: cup of tea because. He's big, you know he's six,

1302
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: sixty five. Three twenty he's got an eighty five and

1303
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: a quarter, inch wingspan so right on the Dot With

1304
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: alfred collins and.

1305
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 2: RAN well i think he ran like a five.

1306
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: FLAT forty i think it was a five point. H

1307
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: nine so really can Move like ben's decently well for

1308
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: a man of, that size and it's just kind of a,

1309
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: physical freak, you know and so.

1310
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 3: Very.

1311
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: Technically raw you don't always. See him he's got Thirty

1312
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: five he had the longest arms of. THE combine i

1313
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: think it was thirty five and a half inch or

1314
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: thirty five. And eighth so, freaky big freaky long moves

1315
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: like a kind of a. Basketball player does flash a,

1316
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: little bit but you don't see him ever use his

1317
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: length the way. He should you don't see him use

1318
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: his athleticism the way. He should he's just kind of

1319
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: out there and so if there was a guy that,

1320
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: you're like let's take a developmental shot on a guy

1321
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: who's got, the frame got, the, movement skills just had

1322
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: and kind of put it. All together this definitely feels

1323
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: like a guy in like the, fifth round, sixth round

1324
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: if he's there that you kind of, just say let's

1325
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: take a flyer on, some traits, some athleticism, some size

1326
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: and hopefully.

1327
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 2: We get him with the right coach and they turn

1328
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 2: him into an. Absolute maniac, all right who's your?

1329
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 3: Last?

1330
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: One, YEAH so i think the name that a lot

1331
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: of people might be surprised not on Here Is ty Robinson.

1332
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: From nebraska and the reason he was. VERY close i

1333
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: think he was again like in, that eleven twelve thirteen

1334
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: kind of range, for me so very.

1335
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 2: Very close he.

1336
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: Tested well at the, combiny right the fastest forty for any,

1337
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: defensive tackle at the highest vertical john for any. Defensive

1338
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: tackle and he plays like. HE'S athletic i think the

1339
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: one thing that really stuck out to me is he's

1340
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: okay against, the run he's okay AGAINST. The pa as a,

1341
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: pass rusher he's, wicked stiff wicked stiff in, his hips plays,

1342
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: really high kind of, high hipped, narrow base and so

1343
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: he's really just trying to penetrate all.

1344
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 2: The time and when you, do that if people just

1345
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 2: punch your hip like you're on, the ground you're moving a.

1346
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: Long WAY and i think THAT'S where i think he's

1347
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,439
Speaker 1: got a lot of name recognition that kind of play,

1348
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: style SPECIFICALLY because i think people think, Of, him oh

1349
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: he's The next fisk OR Next. Jj watt he can play,

1350
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: Inside outside he's not the same level. Of athlete he

1351
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: doesn't have the same level, of length he doesn't have

1352
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: the same kind of, play, Style RIGHT and i think

1353
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: THAT'S where i, would say if you're going to take

1354
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: a shot, on somebody maybe in, the third fourth round

1355
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: might be a good Fit for washington because he does

1356
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: have this inside. Outside flexibility he plays incredibly hard and

1357
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: kind of as it would be better in a more

1358
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: penetrating defensive front Like The. Washington commanders but that's why

1359
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: he's not higher on, the list just for people kind

1360
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: of looking for.

1361
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 3: That, name logan this is a.

1362
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 2: Good group it's a good.

1363
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 3: Lot, of fun a lot of fun.

1364
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: To, watch yeah good group, For SURE and i, think

1365
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: honestly like, for me like top fifteen guys are all

1366
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: either starters or, you know heavy. Rotational guys so was

1367
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: really pumped about.

1368
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 3: The class, all, Right, fans well keep, leaving comments keep asking,

1369
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 3: us questions keep telling us who you want To hear logan.

1370
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 3: RANKED next i think what we're going to do next

1371
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 3: is DB's With. FRED smoot, i, think yeah that may.

1372
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 3: GET pushed I don't i.

1373
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: Don't, know yeah it's either that or running Backs, s,

1374
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: yeah exactly he's going, offense defense so this.

1375
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 2: Is defense we go. Running backs But if, fred's available

1376
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 2: We'll get.

1377
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 3: Fred one We'll get fred. On there but if we

1378
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 3: haven't done. Quarterbacks yet there are a couple of ones

1379
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 3: that we haven't. Done yet so leave a comment on

1380
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 3: what group you want us to to do and specific

1381
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 3: players maybe want us to.

1382
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 2: Talk, about yeah specific players would be. Great, too yeah.

1383
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 3: Because that goes into our nerds category here when you leave.

1384
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 3: Those comments so thank you fans for listening and really.

1385
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 3: Appreciate it.

1386
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 2: That's it