1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number two 5 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty five. In today's show, I'm joined by 6 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: professional big wave surfer Shane Dorian to discuss how discipline, 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: self awareness, and training for worst case scenarios has made 8 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: him one of the best surfers in the world and 9 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 1: a better bow hunter. All right, welcome to the Wire 10 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast, brought to you by on X, and 11 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: today we're continuing with our Peak Performers series in which 12 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 1: we're interviewing people at the top of their fields, whether 13 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: that be professional athletes, or businessmen, or authors, whatever it 14 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: might be. And we're chatting with these people to learn 15 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: about what skills and routines and habits and practices have 16 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: helped them achieve excellence and their professions, and then how 17 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: we can apply those same lessons to our pursuit to 18 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: become better hunters. So our guest today is a perfect 19 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: example of this, as Shane Dorian has risen to the 20 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: top of the surfing world over the past two decades. 21 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: He's had, you know, a number of top ten finishes 22 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: on the World Championship Tour. He has won numerous awards, 23 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: including Right of the Year in two thousand, eleven, fifteen, 24 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: and sixteen, and he was most recently featured in an 25 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: HBO documentary called The Momentum Generation. And all these accomplishments 26 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: have taken just a monumental amount of determination and hard 27 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: work and training and learning along the way, and those 28 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: same things have helped him become a better bow hunter too, 29 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: because he's also now really passionate about hunting. And so 30 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: that's where the majority of our conversation is spent today, 31 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: you know, digging into how Shane achieved excellence in this 32 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: profession as a surfer, and then how all that has 33 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: translated to him developing his passion as a bow hunter. 34 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: So we discussed the importance of discipline in his life 35 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: and how he's foster that. We talked about training for 36 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: high intensity moments like paddling into a big wave or 37 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: drawing back on a big buck. We talked about the 38 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: importance of forcing yourself out of your comfort zone. We 39 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: even getting this some quick tips about just healthier living 40 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: that can help you perform better in the field, and 41 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: all in all, it was just a fascinating conversation. Shane 42 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: was a good dude, and I know that there are 43 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 1: gonna be things that you can take from this that 44 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: will absolutely help you make positive progress towards your hunting 45 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: goals this coming season, which I know is top of 46 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: mind for all of us right now. So with all 47 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: that said, I want to get right to that conversation, 48 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: but first let's take a quick break to thank one 49 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: of our partners, and then we'll get to chatting with 50 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: Shane Dorian. All right, I'm now here on the line 51 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: with Shane Dorian. Thanks for doing the Shan Yeah. Absolutely. 52 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: My my buddy Ben O'Brien, when my colleagues over here, 53 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: meat Eater has told me a couple of times that 54 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: the year someone I need to talk to. I know 55 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: you guys have shared a hunt in camp or two together, 56 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: and as I understand it right, you're you're obviously professional 57 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: big wave surfer. I know you bow hunt. I know 58 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: you've done a lot in Hawaii. There's all sorts of 59 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: animals out there. I know you've traveled to the Western 60 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: United States to Colorado in plays like that chasing elk 61 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: and whatnot. Um, but what's really interesting to me is 62 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: that you just went on your first white tail hunt 63 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: this past year. I gatti believe that's pretty different than 64 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: some of the other things you've been doing. So what 65 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: did you what did you think about that? Yeah, first 66 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: of all, yeah, I'm really good friends with Ben O'Brien. 67 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: He's a he's a legend. I love that guy. Um, 68 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: And yeah, just it was one of those things where 69 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: I always wanted to try white tail hunting, but because 70 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: I am a surfer, the you know, the prime time 71 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: for surfing is in the wintertime, so you know, like 72 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: November and December it is you know, it's really ran, 73 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: like my season gets really serious. So that's why it 74 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: took me so long to you know, to try and 75 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: get out to the Midwest to hunt white tails, just 76 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: because it's really difficult time of the year for me. 77 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: But last year, UM, I got the call from a 78 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: guy named Sloane Brown and you know, he just said, 79 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: you know, we got this white tail hunt coming up, 80 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: you want to come out and do it? And um, 81 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: so I jumped in the chance. I jumped on a 82 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: plane and got out there. And now that was my 83 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: first time in the Midwest, first time to Ohio and 84 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 1: first time hunting white tails. And you're you're hunting with 85 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: my buddy Downie Wilson, right. I saw he had some 86 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: pictures of you out there. That's right. Yeah, yeah, Donny, 87 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: he's the man out there in Ohio. He's he's killed 88 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: some big bucks of his bow, and you know, he 89 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: knows the animals really good. I didn't really have any 90 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: idea really what I was doing out there. I was just, 91 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: you know, wanted to learn as much as I could, 92 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 1: but you know, just such a different environment to what 93 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: I used to I'm not very patient. I'm not a 94 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: super patient hunter. Um. I really loved the spot and stock. 95 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: I love to be on the ground with game, and 96 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: I like to kind of like move around a lot. 97 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: I always feel like whenever I'm sitting in a certain 98 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: place that there's there's there everywhere except where I am, 99 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: you know, dress you know, like when you're when you're 100 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit hard for me to be 101 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: confined to a tree stand. So I knew that was 102 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: like a kind of like a personal challenge I needed 103 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: to try and try and uh, you know, see if 104 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: I had a kata, what it took for that. So 105 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: what was the verdict? And once you you did it 106 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: for a while, did you did it? Did it come 107 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: to be something you enjoyed or was it a struggle? Yeah? No, 108 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: it was awesome. Um. You know, I love I love hunting, 109 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: and I love I'm not the type of hunter that 110 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: has like a big list of different animals I need 111 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: to kill and not like I need to get my 112 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: own goat and then I need IEX and then I 113 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: need a ow Dad, and then I need a zebra, 114 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: and then I need a kudu and then I need 115 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: to know. I'm not that. I just really love to 116 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: hunt different places with different people, um, and just to 117 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,799 Speaker 1: see different terrain and hunting methods and and need local 118 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: hunters who hunt different species and and it was fun 119 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: to hang out with Donnie and and do the white 120 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: tailed thing and and being like really cold temperatures and 121 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: sit in a tree stand and try and keep warm 122 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: and try and not go stir crazy and be patient 123 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: and it was really fun. Man. It was super challenging. 124 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: Um it was. It was you know, just having like 125 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: the extra clothing and you know, trying to keep warm 126 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: and then trying to get the full draw um, and 127 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: then trying to sit still and there was there's a 128 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: lot of challenges, but it was it was a blast. 129 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: I loved it. You know. The White Hill Woods Ohio 130 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: were absolutely stunning and beautiful. And um, I was lucky 131 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: enough to have a do come in. On my second 132 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: morning there, there was a really big buck that Donnie 133 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: was after. Um. You know, for a few weeks he 134 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: had him on game camera but only at night, and 135 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: so he really wanted me to try and kill that 136 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: book and buck just ended up being super nocturnal and um, 137 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: So the second morning I was there, I only had 138 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: a few days to hunt. My time was really limited. 139 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: So on my second morning, Donnie was sitting in the 140 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: tree next to me and and this doll came into 141 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: a scrape and and a kind of buck was following her. 142 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 1: And I looked at Donnie and he said, go for it. 143 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: And so as soon as that buck stopped, I was 144 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: already a full draw and UM let him out. That's awesome, now, 145 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: was it that that feeling like that that peak of 146 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: of excitement adrenaline in that moment when the buck shows 147 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: up and you get that shot. I've always kind of 148 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: I always struggle to to understand the difference between that 149 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: moment versus like if you're out on a western hunt 150 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: and you're chasing an elk and you're running up and 151 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: down mountains and then you get the shot, because like 152 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: in that moment when you're hunting elk, it's like this 153 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: adrenaline rush for an hour or two right you're you're 154 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: running up a mountain, you you finally catch up to 155 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: the elk. It's been like high intensity for a very 156 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: extended period of time. So there's something about that that's incredible. 157 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,559 Speaker 1: But then at the same time, it's like the polar 158 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: opposite when your white tail hut because it's very low 159 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: intensity for hours and hours and hours. So you're you're 160 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: kind of sitting and waiting and observing and watching and thinking, 161 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: and you're you're working at this very low wave length, 162 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, then you spike way high 163 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: when that buck shows up and you go from zero 164 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: to sixty and two seconds, and so that's a huge 165 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: rush in a different kind of way. Did that feel 166 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: different to you too, or what was that like compared 167 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: to your past hunting experiences? For sure, I mean it's um, 168 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: you know what, when whenever you're you know, whenever you're 169 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: just um, you know, just kind of hoping that some 170 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: some somebody's gonna show up, and it just seems like 171 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: the time goes so slow, and it seems like in 172 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: the evening time when it's when it's going to get dark, 173 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: that you know, the dark comes pretty quickly, and and 174 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: you're really worried that there you know that there's there's 175 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: not a year that's going to show up before dark, 176 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: and there's just a million things going through your brain, 177 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, the moments there right in 178 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: front of you, and and so you know that that 179 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: that particular hunt was was a situation where I didn't 180 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: really have time to get nervous. It was like the 181 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: buck was walking in super fast. He was gonna stop, 182 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: or he was gonna I was hoping he was gonna stop. 183 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 1: I got the full draw, and I knew it was 184 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: only a matter of seconds, and I didn't really have 185 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: time to get As soon as you stopped, I just 186 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: settled my pin. I was using a back tension release, 187 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: and I just started squeezing on that and and I 188 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: just started uh pulling on that, and you know, he 189 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: luck that he stayed still for enough time and Um, 190 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: I let him have it, but it was Yeah, It's 191 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: it's so different because you know, the moment, you know, 192 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: like the moment of truth when your archery hunting is 193 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 1: is is pretty similar. I think species of species is 194 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: just all the moments leading up to that moment that 195 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: are different. Like with you know, if you or or 196 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: like with Neil deer, if you see a deer like 197 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: feeding in the morning and you wait from the bed, 198 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,599 Speaker 1: and then you wait for the wind to stabilize and 199 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 1: you plan your stock, and then you you spend two 200 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: or three hours talking in and getting into thirty yards, 201 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: and then you're waiting another four hours for the thing 202 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: to stand up. There's so much time, um, and so 203 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: much mental fatigue trying to stay focused. And if you're 204 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: on your knees and and you're and you're trying to 205 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: to like withstand the pain and not move around. You know, 206 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: there's so much time to think about that upcoming moment. 207 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: But in white tail hunting, it seems like the upcoming 208 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: moment just happens. Yeah, you can all change in a second, 209 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: can come out of nowhere, that's for sure. Yeah, And 210 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: I think I just got pretty lucky, you know, Buck 211 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: came in at the right time. Um, he didn't look 212 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: up when I got to full draw or when I 213 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: was getting to full draw. Um, you know, the do 214 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: didn't spook. I just things just kind of fell into place, 215 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: and um, I end up making a great shot, so 216 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: I was really happy. He actually he didn't even take 217 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: a step, he just dropped in his track, so that 218 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: I was really so yeah. I just switched to a 219 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: back tension release myself this year, so I'm still kind 220 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: of getting used to it in training with it. However, 221 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: you like that, oh man, I love it. It's um 222 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: For for me, it was in the seconty I was 223 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: I was battling some pretty bad um Sarto panic, which 224 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of your listeners can can relate to, 225 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: and I was just having a difficult time with with 226 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: trigger releases. I was starting to get to the point 227 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: where it was really difficult for me to relax during 228 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: the shot process on on our an animal, and I 229 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: was starting to make really inconsistent shots and having the 230 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: you know, the point of impact pretty pretty far away 231 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: from where I really wanted to And I would get 232 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: to the point where I put my pain on that 233 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: animal and I couldn't relax, and as soon as my 234 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: pain got in the kill zone, I was a tounch 235 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: of trigger and um, I was just truly trying to 236 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: get frustrated. So I ended up um bogging to John 237 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: Dudley and getting one of those silver backs and put 238 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: the sight off my bow and did blank bail shooting 239 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: and closed my eyes and shot like that for a 240 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: month and then and then just shot blank build for 241 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: a month. And then I didn't shoot at any like 242 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: sort of target for another month, and then I put 243 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: my sight back on and just worked my way back 244 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: into into like normal like target archery, and then and then, Yeah, 245 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: it's been a game changer for me. My, my, my, my, 246 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: My ratio of animals. Um. You know that I that 247 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: I've killed has gone way up. Um, the not animals 248 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: that I've lost has gone way down, and and and 249 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: the point of impact from where I'm aiming has gotten 250 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: much more in accurate. So I'm very, very stoked with 251 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: the results. And I feel like I'm a much better 252 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: hunter with the back tension leaves. That's great. Yeah, that's 253 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: that sounds really similar to my story. I kind of 254 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: had was having the same issues and decided to do 255 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: the same thing you've done kind of started back from 256 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: the ground and got one of those silverbacks too. So 257 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: that's that's where I'm at, and it's good to hear 258 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: you've had you've had positive results. I'm hoping to have 259 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: similar stories as fall. So, so you you have done 260 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: something which which we've been talking to a whole bunch 261 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: of different people about, which is you've kind of reached 262 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: the top of your game in your professional life as 263 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: as a surfer, competitive surfer and our big wave surfer. 264 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: You're right there at the peak of the mountain. Um. 265 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: And so what we've been trying to do over recent 266 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: weeks is is talked to different people like this who 267 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: are I don't know, like a really generic way of 268 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: saying is like a high achiever, peak performer or something, 269 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: someone who's who's really found a way to achieve excellence 270 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: is something. And then we're like kind of breaking down, 271 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: like what are the different pieces of that puzzle that 272 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: have made that person as successful as they are, And 273 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: then is there something we can learn about that we 274 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: can apply to our passion of hunting? Uh Um. So 275 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: you've you've obviously found a way to do that in 276 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: the surfing world and it sure seems like you're doing 277 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: that now in the hunting world too. Um obviously have 278 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: passion for both of those things, but I'm kind of 279 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: curious at the top, like, did you fall for hunting 280 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: and fall in love with bow hunting because of how 281 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: similar it is to something about surfing, maybe the work 282 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: that it takes or the training it takes, or the 283 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: intensity of it, Or is it because of how different 284 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: it is from surfing? What's that relationship for you? You know, 285 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of both. I think 286 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: I've never I've never fallen in love with any other 287 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: thing betided surfing in my whole life. And you know, 288 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 1: I started surfing when I was five, and I fell 289 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: a head over heels for it and became obsessed with it. 290 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: And that's all I cared about. It's all I thought about. 291 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: I've gotten the way of everything I ever did with 292 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: girls and and everything, you know, that's all I wanted 293 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: to do with surfing. Cool, you know, It's all I 294 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: thought about in school and and so I just became 295 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: obsessed with it, and that's all I did, And that's 296 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: all I really knew how to do for for decades 297 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: and decade and that's why I became really good at it. 298 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 1: And and then um, you know I I, yeah, I've 299 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: reached high level and surfing and it's become my profession 300 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,719 Speaker 1: and it's what all I've done for thirty years. Um. 301 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 1: And then I found bow hunting pretty late. And when 302 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: I was thirty years old, I started b hunting, and 303 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: as the same situation for me, I I you know, 304 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: I didn't really have anything besides surfing that I really loved, 305 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: and I saw bo hunting and I instantly fell for it. 306 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: I just loved it. It was so similar to surfing 307 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, Like, um, you know, the 308 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: real reasons I've felt in love with surfing was because 309 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: it was an escape. It was an escape from school. 310 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: It was escape from you know, the classroom in school 311 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: and my teachers and everyone who would tell me what 312 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: to do. The escape from my parents and the situation 313 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: at home I was in, and the issues and all 314 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: the stress in my life and all this stuff as 315 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: a child, which weren't even a stressful, but I thought 316 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: they were. You know, when you're a kid, you think 317 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: everything is radical. But you know, that was the ocean 318 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: with my escape. The ocean was like my thing that 319 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: um just set me straight and kept my head on straight. 320 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: And and then with surfing in the same way, you know, 321 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: And you know now there's now as an adult, like 322 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: you know, our day or day lives is gonna be 323 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: pretty stressful. And and to have just even not even hunting, 324 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: just archery, just just at the end of the day 325 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: that just grab your bow and go out in the 326 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: yards of the deer and shoot the arrows to the target. 327 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: It's just it's so therapeutic, and it's so good good 328 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: for us, I think, and and for for me to 329 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: find that later in life and to really fall in 330 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: love with it and become super passionate about archery, and 331 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: archery hunting has just been such a blessing of my life. 332 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: I really love it. And I've met friends but I 333 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: never would have met in a million years had I 334 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: not started archery hunting. And a lot of the most 335 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: beautiful places I've ever been to in the world now 336 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: is only because I started hunting. So it's just really 337 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: neat to to find something totally different and become passionate 338 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: about it. And and that there's a lot of similarities 339 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: between um, archery, hunting, and surfing, and there's there's a 340 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: lot of differences as well. There's they're so different in 341 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: a lot of ways and very similar in some ways. 342 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: Do you think that anything from your surfing background has 343 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: helped you become, you know, a competent bow hunter. Is 344 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: there anything that jumps out right away? Is like, you 345 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: know that kind of helps instill this thing in me 346 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: that now you use as a hunter or anything like that, 347 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: for sure? Yeah, I mean, you know, being being a 348 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: professional big wave surfer, you know, it took me multiple 349 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: decades to to you know, get the skill to to 350 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: be a really high level of that. And and that's 351 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: the things you really need for for a big wave 352 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: of surfing is discipline and you know determination, you know, 353 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: really strong mental focus, being able to perform in key 354 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: moments that you can't predict. Um. You know, with with surfing, 355 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: you're you're dealing with mother nature. You're not. It's not 356 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: a basketball. Who've been a basketball and you throw the 357 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: basketball and goes into hoo, can you get your points? 358 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: Not like that. It's not like a basketball hoop. It 359 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: never moves and you know where it is all the time. 360 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: It's not like a skateboard wrap. It doesn't move and 361 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: you know where it is all the time. Surfing, it's like, 362 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: you know, for if you're a good way of surfer, 363 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: there might be only one truly epics swell per year, 364 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: and you have no idea when that swell is going 365 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: to hit, whether it's in December, whether it's on a 366 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: certain day. So you have to train all year long. 367 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 1: You have to be mentally and physically ready all year long, 368 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: year and year out. Um you know, because those key 369 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: moments of key swells are you know, the things that 370 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: define you as a surfer, and that's that's what that's what, 371 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: um you know, that's when it really truly counts. And 372 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: it's very similar in bow hunting. It's like, you know, 373 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: you can you can shoot a millionaireros a year and 374 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: just drill the heart on every single phone gear target 375 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: in the world, but if you can't recreate that in 376 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: the moment on a real life animal, then it doesn't matter. Um. 377 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: So I think that mental focus and knowing how to 378 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: how to step up when when you know and in 379 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: the moment of truth, I think that's definitely only I've 380 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: been able to bring that over from surfing. I'm not 381 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: saying I'm a deadly bow hunter or anything. Like that. 382 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: But it's it's definitely helped me a lot. So how 383 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: did you develop that ability? Maybe in surfing? Right? How 384 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: did you get to the point where you can get 385 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: that one chance a year maybe and you just you 386 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: you crush it? What have you been doing to get 387 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: to that point? I just think a lot of experience, 388 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: you know, just getting a lot of experience in the 389 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: ocean for sure, A lot a lot of big swells 390 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: under my belt, and a lot of slow progress with 391 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: baby steps just you know, year after year, um, decade 392 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: after decade. And but I think we all do that 393 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: in our lives in some certain capacity that we can 394 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: kind of draw, you know, when we're our tree hunting. 395 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: It's interesting with with um, with with our tree hunting, 396 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: It's like, I'm pretty lucky, you know, where where I live, 397 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: I can get a lot of experience. You know, if 398 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: you're if you live in Ohio or something like that, 399 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: it's our treat me. And you know when when when 400 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: it's over, you you know, you put your bow away 401 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: for a while and then you're like, hey, I'm I'm 402 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: six months out from our tree season. I'm gonna get 403 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: my bow backed up and maybe you get some new gear, 404 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: maybe by a by a new site for the next 405 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: white kill season. And then you're like, I'm four months 406 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: out came, Now I'm starting to shoot a lot. Now 407 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: I'm two months out came. Now I'm shooting a ton. 408 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: And then I'm one month out, I'm switching to broadhead. 409 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: And then it's like this big anticipation for this this 410 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: one deer you're gonna kill or maybe not kill. For me, 411 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: right now, I could hang up the phone, drop my bow, 412 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: jump in my truck, and drive three minutes and go hunting. 413 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: There's no season and there's no bag limit. I could 414 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: go outside my house literally walk ups on my house 415 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 1: and start hunting right now, and and you know, there's 416 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: wild boars all around my house and goats like a 417 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: fifteen minute walk from my house, and I can hunt 418 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: ram to the top of this mountain right here where 419 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: I live. And um, you can do that every single 420 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: day of the year. And there's no bag limits, no seasons. 421 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: And so for me, I'm pretty lucky as far as 422 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: I makes sperience goes. I was I was a really 423 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: I found hunting really late, but I feel like I've 424 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: put in enough days in the last you know, twelout 425 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: the fifteen years that is like a lifetime of hunting, 426 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: you know, hundred hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of days 427 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: um with with a lot of days coming home with 428 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: like no arrows left. Yeah, So that kind of makes 429 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: me think about this, this kind of thing that's happening. 430 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: I think to a lot of people these days that 431 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: are maybe just getting into hunting now, they see, you know, 432 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: all these TV shows and all these magazines and Instagram, 433 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: and they're seemed big deer, big elk or big whatever 434 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: all the time. So there's this kind of expectation that's 435 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: developed just by everything you've see in the media that 436 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: makes you think, oh, I got to hold out for 437 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: a big something, whatever it is. So then you get 438 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: these new hunters who then go the first year, two, 439 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: three or four or five years and they just they 440 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: don't want to shoot anything because they want it to 441 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: be this great, big buck, because that's what it seems 442 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: like they think they have to do if they want 443 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: to get a lot of likes on Instagram or just 444 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: their buddies. Don't give a hard time to people that 445 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: don't end up getting a lot of experience with that 446 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: final moment of truth because they're just waiting and passing 447 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: and passing and passing and doing kind of the opposite 448 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: what what you talked about doing, which is you know, 449 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: surfingly crazy all the time and getting that experience or 450 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: hunting as often as you can and actually going through 451 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: that whole thing. Do you think, like that scenario just 452 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: laid out, is that an issue in your mind? Like 453 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: is that holding people back? Do you think? Yeah? I mean, 454 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: you know, there's nothing wrong with big deer, big elk. 455 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I like those things just as 456 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: much as the next person. But it's it's on a 457 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 1: it's it's meaningless. It's just that's that's that's not really 458 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: why you hunt. Me hunt for I mean I hunt 459 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: for experiences like when, like when Ben came out and 460 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: visited me here in Hawaii. I had hunted with Ben 461 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: a couple of times and spend a lot of time 462 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: with him in the main line of stuff. And then 463 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: when he finally came out and visited me in Hawaii, Um, 464 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: you know, we spent a week chasing gear on the 465 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: nine and dude, we just get a million stock, shot 466 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: a million arrows, drank beers at night, talked a lot 467 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: of ship, had fun, had a great, great group of guys, 468 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: and that's what it was all about. We didn't remember 469 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 1: the big deer. I didn't remember any big bucks. That 470 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: that's not what I remember. I remember all the blown 471 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: stocks and all the misses and all the times that 472 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: screwed up, and those little moments when I've made the 473 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,719 Speaker 1: shot count. And that's those experiences. Seed. If you're if 474 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: you're waiting for the biggest elk on the mountain, or 475 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: if you're waiting five years for one big white tail, Yeah, 476 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: it's gonna look good at your wall and you kill him, 477 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: but you're wasting your time. Man. It's it's all about 478 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: like the relationships and and the and the hunters we 479 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: make friends with and share camp with, and all those 480 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: moments with the animals. Man, Like, I just want to 481 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: get out there and hunt as much as I can 482 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: with great people and have amazing experiences. Honestly, Yeah, that 483 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: that it's easy to get caught up in all the 484 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: other stuff and forget the about those foundational aspects of 485 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: it that really are like you said, those are the 486 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: memory makers some time. Um. But then there is something 487 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: to be said that that those final moments, whether you 488 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: can close the deal or not. That often is what 489 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: defines you as a hunter in in some certain ways, right, Um, 490 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 1: at least yourself knowing what you're able to do, what 491 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: you would able to accomplish. I suppose, UM, do you 492 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: think that there's anything I gotta imagine, UM that when 493 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: you paddle into a big wave, it's like a very 494 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: high pressure, high intensity situation. UM. Dangerous situation probably too. 495 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: And rights hunters, we enter this high pressure situation when 496 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: we're about to draw back on a on a deer 497 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: and elk or something very different but similarly high pressure. 498 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: Like we were talking about everything all year leads up 499 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: to this one moment. Um. I heard you once talk 500 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: about the fact that in that moment for you, you're 501 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: not thinking about anything at all. There's no self talk, 502 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: there's no conscious thing. It's just like instinct taking over. Um. 503 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: Is that same for you when you're in the moment 504 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: of truth for a deer or an elk or whatever, 505 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: when you're drawing back, Like, do you have that same 506 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: you know, just instinctual action. Um. And part two of 507 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: that would be, how do you get to the point 508 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: where instinct is able to help you, you know, handle 509 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: those situations? Is it just the experience thing, or is 510 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: there any other like actual training or work or something 511 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: that helps you just not choke. I think it's just 512 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: experience with insurfing. Like if you if you put me 513 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: out in the ocean right now and it was the 514 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: biggest well of the year and I had to pole 515 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: it into the line if it gets a really big wave, 516 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be thinking about really anything when I wave 517 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: approached and had a turnaround the paddle, I wouldn't be 518 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: thinking about anything. I just would be focused, and it 519 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: would all I would just like rely on my instincts 520 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: and my history and my experience. But when I'm bow 521 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: hunting in that situation presents itself and it's at that 522 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: moment of truth as the opposite as I definitely don't 523 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 1: go blank. If I go blank, I miss. And so 524 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: for me, it's a matter of like really focusing on 525 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: every single part of the process, each step as far 526 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: as like you know, when to get up on my knees, 527 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: when to draw, what's the animal doing? Is there a 528 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,719 Speaker 1: lot of those looking Okay, they're all not looking at 529 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: me now at the time. Okay, now is the time 530 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: to draw? Okay, I got the full draw now is 531 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: my you know, my anchor, then my bubble, then my skin, 532 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: you know which painted it. Okay, get on the animal, 533 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: don't full thetray, your relaxed breathe starts focusing on that 534 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: pin and then pulled through the shot. And I have 535 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: to go through all those things or else I can't 536 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: make a great shot. Um. And I know that I 537 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: bought myself, and so I just rely on my shot 538 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: process and and I try to really focus on that 539 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: and breaking it down into pieces is the thing that 540 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: helps me make the shot at the moment of truth. 541 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,239 Speaker 1: And I think the difference between surfing for me and 542 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: relying on my instincts and not really thinking about much 543 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: and in be hunting having a full on focus on 544 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: on the on the processes. It's just a matter of 545 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't grow up bull hunting, UM. I 546 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: don't have decades of experience, and so for me, I 547 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: just really want to UM. I think I think a 548 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: guy like John Dudley UM or someone like that. And 549 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a lot of people out there like 550 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: that have been bow hunting since they were little kids. 551 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: They you know, they probably don't need to think of 552 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: anything when they are you know, uh, you know about 553 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: to make the shot. But I think archery hunting is 554 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: is a little bit different, so technical, one little tiny 555 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: thing and go wrong one one, one little element of 556 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: your of your process is not there, whether it's your 557 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: level or falling through or pulling through the shot for um, 558 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: you know, obviously focusing on the right pin. All those 559 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: things need to be perfect. Um. So I would think 560 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: a lot more of people would, even like really experienced 561 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: bow hunters that probably have to break it down and 562 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 1: do it the process. And I know, just from my 563 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: own personal experience having to do that very same thing 564 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: you talked about, like that takes a lot of um, 565 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: I mean, all the things we're talking about, It takes 566 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: a lot of work. Like you have to drill all 567 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: those things to really develop that process in that habit, 568 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: and knowing how to do all those things in the 569 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: high pressure situation takes a whole lot of work over 570 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,479 Speaker 1: them proceeding weeks and months and years. Um. How do 571 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: you fit that kind of preparation into your life? Because 572 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of us know are we 573 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: should be practicate with our bows? A lot a lot 574 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: of us know we should be out there, you know, 575 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: exercising or whatever to stay in good shape for our hunts. 576 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: A lot of us know we should be doing a 577 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: B or C to prepare, but it's really easy for 578 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: life to get in the way. For taking the kids 579 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: to school to make things tough, or you gotta do 580 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 1: stuff around the house, or your wife needs help doing 581 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: a B, C, D and D, and all of a sudden, 582 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 1: your whole day is gone and you're you don't you 583 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: don't have any time. How do you make time for 584 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: those things? Or how do you fit that kind of 585 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: thing into your life and make it a habit. It's 586 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,479 Speaker 1: either born or it's not. You know, it's like we 587 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: we it's easy to say, you know, I don't have 588 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: time for our treat today, but it's super important to me. 589 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: You know. It's it's you have time, you just have 590 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: to make it. You have to make time. Look, you know, 591 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: look at they get Cameron Keines like issier than anybody. 592 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: He's still shooting, you know, even if it's only five 593 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: arrows a day, he's still shooting it when he's in 594 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: his work clothes about to walk out his door. It's 595 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: just like most people say it's important, but it's really not. 596 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 1: But to Cameron heenes and a million other people out there. 597 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: They do like they get home in the dark and 598 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: then they turn on their their headlights on their on 599 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: their target at fifteen yards to just make those make 600 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 1: those ten arrows count. You know, It's like if it's 601 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: really really important to you, truly important to then you know, 602 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 1: you gotta act like it. You can't just say it's important. 603 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 1: You know, if you say it doesn't really mean touch. 604 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: As my point, I guess and I'm the same. I'm 605 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: guilty of it just like everyone else. My My life 606 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: is really busy. I'm traveling a lot. A lot of times. 607 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: I'm gone for a month at a time or three 608 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: weeks at a time or um. And then I get 609 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: home and there's only like two days before I'm going hunting, 610 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: and I gotta scramble and get my boat dial to 611 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: make sure everything. You know, my arrows are set, all 612 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: my gears ready, and I just have to, you know, 613 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: get out there and shoot a bunch of arrows, only 614 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: you know, a day and a half before I got 615 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: to leave, and and you know, in those moments, I 616 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: just have to make it count. And then when I'm 617 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: at home for a long time, I just have to 618 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: force myself to to shoot. You know, I try to 619 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: shoot like twenty arrows a day, like three or four 620 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: days a week when I'm home. So even though it's 621 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: not hundreds of arrows, you just want to make every 622 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: single arrow account. Yeah, And I think a lot of 623 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: that comes down to And you brought this up earlier, discipline, right, 624 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: just having the discipline to you prioritize this thing, and 625 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: now you have to do it. You have to follow 626 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: through on that goal. And I heard you say once 627 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: that there's a whole lot of things that you're not, 628 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: but one thing that you are is disciplined. And I 629 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: think you said ninety of your success you would probably 630 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: attribute to discipline. Um So what what does discipline like? 631 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: What to you? How does that like manifest in your life? Like? 632 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: How are you disciplined? And how do you How have 633 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: you gotten that way? Um? Well, I think I got 634 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: up from my mom. My mom is extremely disciplined. She 635 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't make any excuses, she doesn't blame anything out 636 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: anything on anybody else. Um. She she takes full responsibility 637 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: for things that are happening in her life. And I 638 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: just kind of grew up watching that and having other 639 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: examples that were the opposite, and I just grew to 640 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: really respect her, and um, you know, she's the type 641 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: of person that as she tells you she's going to 642 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: be somewhere to meet you at eight o'clock, she's there. 643 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: S Um, she's never late, you know, and she just 644 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: in her life that's just how she's always been. And 645 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: I just kind of learned that from her, and I 646 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: really looked up to her and really had a lot 647 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: of respect for her because of that. And I guess 648 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: that's where I got really disciplined, and I realized that 649 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: you know, you know, what you put into something is 650 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: what you get out, and um, that's kind of definitely 651 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: what's what's happened with my surfing. Just putting in tons 652 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: and tons of time ocean time is really paid off 653 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,239 Speaker 1: for me. So I try to try to, you know, 654 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,479 Speaker 1: bring that into other parts of my life, and with 655 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: archery and and bo hunting, I try to like spend 656 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: a lot of time as much as I can shunting 657 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: with the best people that I possibly can and seeing 658 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: just just just be discipline in putting in the effort 659 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: and trying to learn, like I don't just go out 660 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: there and aimlessly shoot for three hours to shoot my bow. 661 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: I go out there and I might shoot for twenty minutes, 662 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: but I shoot one arrow, you know, at fifty yards, 663 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: and then I go and grab my arrow, walk back 664 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: to fifty and shoot again. And then I go and 665 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: to have my arrow and walk back to fifty. That way, 666 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: you just focus on one arrow at a time and 667 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: try and make it a perfect arrow. And you know, 668 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: and then when I go hunting and either hunt by 669 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: myself and I try and hunt animals that are really 670 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: really hard to hunt. Um. And even if I'm not 671 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: taking the shots when I get them, I just you know, 672 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: I might stalk into thirty yards, um, you know, wait 673 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: for the right time to draw, draw my bow, aim, 674 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: focus on that spot, um, and then just sit there 675 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: and aim right in the kill spot and then let 676 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: down and then let the animals walk away and restop 677 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,959 Speaker 1: them again. We're stop another group. And I feel like 678 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: that sort of practice and and really preparing for the 679 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: right moment of truth is super importan. Yes, that like 680 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: like concept that's kind of talked about a lot, like 681 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: deliberate practice, like having a real purpose to your practice 682 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: and not just like you said, flinging arrows around seems 683 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: to be the way to to really make a difference. Um, So, 684 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: so this you kind of were lucky in some way. 685 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: I guess that you had a great role model with 686 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: your mom being so disciplined. But what if there's like 687 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: someone out there who, for whatever reason, maybe just how 688 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: they were raised or their circumstances, they just didn't have 689 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: a great background, would become a disciplined person. But they 690 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: like hear about people talking about these things, and they 691 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: know they want to achieve more, they want to become 692 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: a better hunter or whatever might be in their life, 693 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: and they're just kind of struggling to follow through on 694 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: things they know they should be doing a or B, 695 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: but the alarm goes off in the morning and they 696 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: just can't get out of bed. I mean, like, is 697 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: that is someone just kind of s o l if 698 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: that's the kind of person they are, or do you 699 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: think that you can change that? Like, can you become 700 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: more discipline? And if so, how does someone do that? Uh? 701 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: Read David Goggin's book, Um, have you read that? I've 702 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: not read it. I've listened to a couple of podcasts 703 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: though with him, so I'm familiar with the story and stuff. 704 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, like you know, for for your listeners 705 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: out there. If you don't like to read, go and 706 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: go and listen to David Goggins podcast with Joe Rogan. 707 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: And you know, he was shot and lazy and obese, 708 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: and he failed, um in a lot of different ways 709 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: trying to get into special forces in the military. And 710 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: you know, he had all these really really bad personal 711 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: traits and tons of weaknesses and he ended up just 712 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: absolutely hating himself, um to anybody who could never change, 713 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: you know, and he was a failure for the first 714 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: half of his life. And his story is super inspiring 715 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: because he just basically, when you know what, I hate myself, 716 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: I hate how I am, I'm going to change. And 717 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: he basically just pulverized himself and made it super hard 718 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: in his life and turned everything around. And and now 719 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: he's really inspirationally's culture bit. He's like I think he 720 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: was a Navy seal for a very long time and um, 721 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: but he's a great guy to listen to and and read. 722 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: His book is a total life changer. But I think, 723 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,800 Speaker 1: you know, life is short, man, Like you're gonna blink 724 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: and you're gonna be sixty or seventy or eighty years old, 725 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: and you're gonna look back and just just think you 726 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: blew it. You we got one shot. There's no reason 727 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: to laying around in bed eating bond bonds, you know 728 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, if you want to go bow hunting, 729 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: go bow hunting. I really really good friends on it. 730 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: They're sending me like bow hunting Instagram blinks all the time, 731 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: and and like pictures a big Bucks and always talking 732 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 1: about hunting. But these guys don't hunt. They don't go hunting. 733 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: They hunt like in their backyard right now and then, 734 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: but they talk about hunting all the time. I'm like, 735 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 1: you guys are wasting your time if you're you're you're 736 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: over here sending pictures on my phone. Meanwhile, you haven't 737 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: hunted in four months, five months, and you can go 738 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: hunting every day of the year, Like like get out 739 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 1: there and go do what you really want to do. 740 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: If if it surfing, whether it's bow hunting, whether it's 741 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 1: trying to get a promotion at your job, whatever, like 742 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: make it count, you know. And and I love like 743 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: listening to guys like um, Joe Logan's like that, Camera 744 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: Kanes is like that, David Goggins is like that, Um 745 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 1: Oprah Winfrey's like that. I love listening to these people, 746 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: like they really do any excuses and then they really 747 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: like every accounts of our lives. And and unless you 748 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,399 Speaker 1: really believe that and really like live like that, you're 749 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 1: just wasting it. Yeah, I feel like we're so lucky 750 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: to to to be living lives we are, and most 751 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: of us live in a place where we have freedoms 752 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: that are like in an incredible um. You know, we're 753 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: just super lucky. And I feel like we need to 754 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 1: live like we're lucky people. I talked to my kids 755 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 1: all the time, you know, I'm like they you know, 756 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: they get lazy and spoiled a lot, and like, you know, 757 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 1: like look, you got you got two arms, two legs, 758 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 1: You're healthy. You can go run as fast as you 759 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: want right now. You can go swinging as fast as 760 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: you want. You can like go play and have fun. 761 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: Like think of all the kids that they live in 762 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: Afghanic down right, know they don't have the choices you have. 763 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: You don't you don't have the options you have. Sing 764 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: all the kids that are boring in a wheelcare or 765 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: they get cancer when they're five years old, they die, 766 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 1: like ship happens lice snarlie so and it's quick. So 767 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 1: it's like I just feel like, you know, I just 768 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: gotta make the most of it. Is really the point. 769 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: That's I really was always wondering what the point of 770 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 1: life is, So that's really the point. Make it count. Yeah, 771 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: that is that is so true. And and like you said, 772 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: it's you gotta live like you're lucky. And then you 773 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 1: also need to realize that in an instant, right, everything 774 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: could change. You know, it could be a car accident 775 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: or there could be all these things, so so appreciate 776 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: every minute too, Like don't don't push things off for 777 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 1: tomorrow or for next year or for some day, because 778 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: some day might not come. So, like you said, you 779 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: gotta gotta make account and you gotta give it your all, right, 780 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,879 Speaker 1: I'd hate to. I feel like one of the things 781 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 1: people talk about the most, like that lying in your 782 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: deathbed kind of situation is you don't want to have regrets. 783 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: You don't want to lie there when you're seventy five 784 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: or ninety or however old it is, and and lay 785 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: there and say, what if I wish I would have 786 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: tried that, or I wish I would have really gave 787 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: this thing by all, I feel like that would be 788 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: one of the worst things to be doing there at 789 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:16,879 Speaker 1: the end of your life. You know, I don't want 790 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: to I don't want to live in a way that 791 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,439 Speaker 1: puts me in that situation. I bet you knowed people 792 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 1: on their death that are doing exactly what you're talking about. 793 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: They're all regretting it. They're all they have always regrets 794 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 1: you now looking back and going I wish I did 795 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: I wish you did that. Like for most of your listeners, 796 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: they have plenty of time to, you know, to make 797 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 1: those changes now. They live in lives now. It's like, 798 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: you know, you know that's that's that's what I feel like. Anyway, Yeah, 799 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,800 Speaker 1: I think that is. There are some wise words. So 800 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 1: so tell me this. I feel like one of the 801 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 1: like a lot of people listen to this podcast are 802 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 1: really really driven to take their hunting to the next level. 803 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: A lot of people are trying to find ways to 804 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: to learn more, to get better, to become more successful, 805 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: um and so and so that's kind of why we're 806 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,760 Speaker 1: talking about this kind of stuff, right, ways to improve yourself, 807 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: to improve your success in the field and whatnot. Um 808 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 1: and and A concept that sometimes talked about is like 809 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 1: this idea like going pro. Like when you do something 810 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: and I don't mean literally going pro, but like when 811 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 1: you just do something as a hobby, you're just out 812 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: there kind of having a good time with it. You're 813 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,479 Speaker 1: not going to do a lot of things We've talked 814 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: about having this kind of discipline around it. But if 815 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: you if you decide you have some goals with that 816 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: hobby that you want to achieve, then you it almost 817 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,359 Speaker 1: helps to take that switch and flip it and say 818 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 1: all right, you're I'm gonna go pro kind of metaphorically 819 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: and do these different things. So I I kind of 820 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: want to dig into the situation for you when you 821 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: turn pro, because right you you served your whole life 822 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 1: as a kid until you got done with high school. 823 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 1: When you graduate and corect me if I'm wrong here, 824 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: but I understand it. When you graduated high school, you decided, 825 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna give us a shot. I'm 826 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: gonna try to go pro and you went out for 827 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,399 Speaker 1: the tour. Um. What was that shift like for you 828 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: to go from just like an avid having fun as 829 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: a as a surfer to then I'm going to go pro? 830 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 1: Like what had to be different for you? Simply getting 831 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,799 Speaker 1: out of my comfort zone. How was everything? You know, 832 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 1: I grew up in a little town, um on a 833 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 1: pretty quiet island with no pro surfers on it, and um, 834 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: you know, the amateur surfing here where I lived was 835 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: you know, I was. I was a good surfer and 836 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 1: there was hardly any kids who served even decent. And 837 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 1: so I would win every contest. So I was. I 838 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 1: was like a big fish in a little pond. And 839 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,840 Speaker 1: it was very comfortable. You know, I was super comfortable. 840 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 1: But um, you know, and it feels good right to 841 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 1: win contests. And and then I'll go to other islands 842 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 1: where all the kids surfers were, and I get my 843 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: ask kick and and you know, and you know, that 844 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: was really uncomfortable, and it's just a it's just I 845 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,800 Speaker 1: feel like you know, when I when I got older, 846 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: and I really made that choice to be super determined 847 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: at the to really give a real shot. It's just 848 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 1: a matter of like embracing being uncomfortable. You know, you're 849 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna lose a whole lot more than you're 850 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: gonna win. And if you can't handle that and you're 851 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: not cut out for it. And for me, it was 852 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 1: a matter of like just getting used to that, like 853 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 1: getting used to being uncomfortable, just like David Doggan says, 854 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: like you know, you're never gonna do anything good if 855 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: you're comfortable. If you're in your comfort zone, you're not growing, 856 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,800 Speaker 1: you're not learning, you're not getting better. So for bow hunters, 857 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 1: if you want to get better, if you're truly truly 858 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 1: want to get better, get out of your comfort zone. 859 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 1: If you're a white tail hunter and you live in Ohio, 860 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: don't just wait for that one white tail hunt you 861 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 1: know Ohio every year like you always been doing. Go 862 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 1: to a different state on a different species. Um you know, 863 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: hunt more, go stock them during the off season with 864 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,000 Speaker 1: that without a boat, like do something, don't like if 865 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,239 Speaker 1: you really truly want to get better and get better, 866 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 1: there's nothing stopping anybody getting you know, get a group 867 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: of friends together, go to Hawaii and hunt goats for 868 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: three or four days and it's unlimited and you can 869 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: hunt them out all day every day. And or if 870 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 1: she or deer or anything in Hawaii, or you can 871 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: go to you can get a group of guys to 872 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: go to a different state where there's tons of sons 873 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,400 Speaker 1: of deer and there's you know, you can shoot a 874 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: bunch of them and I don't know, there's there's just 875 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,279 Speaker 1: a million things you can do to get better. But 876 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 1: I think where it really really starts for the rubber 877 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: hits the road is when you're out of your comfort zone. Yeah. 878 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: That that makes a lot of sense. I feel like 879 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,759 Speaker 1: so true. Like you said, just the simple actor just 880 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 1: going to new places is at least in the hunting 881 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: world can change things up in in big ways that 882 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: just force you to learn new things that can help 883 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,399 Speaker 1: you back in the original place. Like if you want 884 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: to hunt your family farm all the time, that's great, 885 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 1: but going and trying these new things will definitely help 886 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 1: you develop skills that you can take back there. Um. 887 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,280 Speaker 1: I've been a huge advocate to for that that idea. Um, 888 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,239 Speaker 1: So you you had to get outside of your comfort zone. 889 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,799 Speaker 1: You started, you know, certain you made the tour, you're 890 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 1: able to serve professionally now competitively. Now it's like, I 891 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 1: gotta at least I'm imagining now that you're doing this, 892 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,840 Speaker 1: you're traveling across the world surfing, I gotta imagine it 893 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,280 Speaker 1: became a grind at some point, Like it was probably 894 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,359 Speaker 1: really exciting and sexy at first, and then it became, 895 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,279 Speaker 1: oh wow, this is a lot of work. There's a 896 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,839 Speaker 1: lot of stuff I have to do to stay up 897 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,880 Speaker 1: on this, to to be able to be competitive, to 898 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 1: get better, and you're doing over and over and over 899 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 1: and over again. Did you have any kind of routines 900 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: you had to build in your life, or any kind 901 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: of training regiment or anything that just helped you a 902 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 1: stay sane throughout that grind but be actually like get 903 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: through it and be successful, anything like that that you 904 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 1: kind of built into what your daily life to to 905 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 1: make it all work. Yeah. Um, I think that. I 906 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 1: think the number one thing is a work ethic was 907 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 1: that that was a big thing that changed it for me. 908 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 1: Is is really um instilling structure in my life. I 909 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 1: went from just being a kid and then and then 910 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's like you know, as you know, 911 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 1: being a kid living at home with my parents too 912 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 1: rarely ever seeing my parents within a whole year, and 913 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 1: being on the road by myself with my friends, and 914 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 1: like all of a sudden, a credit card and money 915 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: in your pocket and your France or Japan or Indonesia 916 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 1: or California or wherever, and like no one's telling you 917 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: to not party at night. No one's telling you to 918 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:12,719 Speaker 1: not go out with the crazy girls you met that 919 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,879 Speaker 1: day all night long, and like nobody's telling you to 920 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,919 Speaker 1: to like go to sleep at night at a certain time. 921 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,400 Speaker 1: And you know, like no one's telling you to not 922 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,800 Speaker 1: do your stretches and to and to eat really healthy 923 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. You don't. I didn't ever had 924 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 1: like a manager and agent or supervisor or anybody that 925 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: was traveling with me. It was just we're on the 926 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,400 Speaker 1: road like kids. And so for me, it was like 927 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: serving was truly important. So instead of parting all night 928 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,439 Speaker 1: and raging with chicks and staying up all night and 929 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,279 Speaker 1: sleeping in and and you know, eating crappy food and 930 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 1: just just you know, like living that kind of lifestyle 931 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,719 Speaker 1: and and and hoping for the best, I had to 932 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,360 Speaker 1: like start eating really good food, started physical training, started 933 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,840 Speaker 1: doing yoga, started doing breathing, started reading books, started really 934 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 1: trying to like it better, like find any edge that 935 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 1: I could, and trying to make myself better kind of 936 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: sharpen the knife, so to speak. And and then and 937 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,879 Speaker 1: then find a balance of like, um, you know, when 938 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,520 Speaker 1: I was in different places, I would I would have 939 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,879 Speaker 1: a balance of like being super physically and mentally fit, 940 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 1: training all the time, putting a ton to work surfing, um. 941 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,319 Speaker 1: And then also like having the balance of like going 942 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 1: seeing the place is meeting people, experiencing cultures and food 943 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,840 Speaker 1: and the way of life in all these different places 944 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,960 Speaker 1: I was visiting. So that was the part that was 945 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,920 Speaker 1: keeping me sane and the other part was making me better. Yeah, 946 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,640 Speaker 1: what was the most or maybe a couple of things. 947 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,319 Speaker 1: But what of these changes, these structures you put in 948 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 1: your life, this different training, whether it be mental or 949 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,239 Speaker 1: physical fitness or any of those things you listed there, 950 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,279 Speaker 1: what do you think was like the most impactful thing 951 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,840 Speaker 1: that What was that change that helped you the most? 952 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,840 Speaker 1: Is there anything that stands out? Um? You know that 953 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: that nothing stands out from sort of back then, I 954 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,319 Speaker 1: just became I just grew up. Really, I went from 955 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,800 Speaker 1: being a kid to be an adult and seeing others 956 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,759 Speaker 1: around me that became succes us full in trying to 957 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 1: and still some of those things in my life, like 958 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,520 Speaker 1: even you know, from from my mom, getting the discipline 959 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,879 Speaker 1: and getting structures from some of my other friends who 960 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,560 Speaker 1: are competing at a really high level, and seeing like 961 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 1: the way they would analyze their performances and all that stuff, right, 962 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 1: So I started incorporating that into my life. And then 963 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,120 Speaker 1: as I got older, um, like I talked to um, 964 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,880 Speaker 1: I talked to Joe Rogan about this, because he's a 965 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,800 Speaker 1: he lives a very efficient lifestyle. Like he's extremely productive, 966 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,920 Speaker 1: and he does a lot in the same amount of 967 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,920 Speaker 1: time that you know, everybody has the same twenty four hours, 968 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: you know, and it's and it's and it's what we 969 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,440 Speaker 1: choose to do with it that really makes a difference. 970 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: And like someone like to a Rogan, he's got a 971 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,719 Speaker 1: lot more stuff going on than the average person. He's got, 972 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,080 Speaker 1: you know, full on family and he's a great family man, 973 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,520 Speaker 1: a great dad too, the husband, and spent tons of 974 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,640 Speaker 1: time with the family. And then he also he's a 975 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 1: full time standard comedian. He's kind of own shows. He's 976 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,480 Speaker 1: got you know, he's got so much stuff going on 977 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 1: with with comedy tours. He you know, he records six 978 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 1: podcasts a week. You know, it's just like an extremely 979 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,200 Speaker 1: productive person. And and I talked to him about this, 980 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 1: and and he said that time blocking is the thing 981 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,839 Speaker 1: that made a huge difference for him. So he looks 982 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,800 Speaker 1: at his day in those Okay, how much sleep do 983 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,160 Speaker 1: I need? I need ten hours, I need six hours, 984 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,279 Speaker 1: I need four hours, whatever it is. And everybody's a 985 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,400 Speaker 1: little different, right, we all we had all work differently 986 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 1: on different different sleep time. So for me, it's about 987 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,399 Speaker 1: seven to eight hours, So I need seven eight hours. 988 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,720 Speaker 1: So I tied a block that time out obviously for sleep. 989 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,359 Speaker 1: And then how many hours a day do I need 990 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,440 Speaker 1: to spend my kids for me to feel like I'm 991 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,600 Speaker 1: a great dad. And then I block out that time 992 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,280 Speaker 1: and like when are those times? It's like before school, 993 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,279 Speaker 1: after school, and so that gives me this other time 994 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,759 Speaker 1: in between. And so I blocked times out like I 995 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,879 Speaker 1: blocked time out for work in my computer. I blocked 996 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,759 Speaker 1: time out for time to stretch and do my exercises. 997 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,759 Speaker 1: I blocked time out for my kids. That blocked time 998 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,880 Speaker 1: out for my wife, blocked time out for my sleeping, 999 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,240 Speaker 1: blocked time out for my training, and the and then 1000 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,440 Speaker 1: and then that really helps you structure your day instead 1001 00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:57,799 Speaker 1: of just going, you know what, I really need to 1002 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,960 Speaker 1: shoot my boat sometime today, instead of like waiting and 1003 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,520 Speaker 1: wondering when you're gonna shoot your boat, Like, hey, after 1004 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,799 Speaker 1: work five o'clock, you have to get back to the house. 1005 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,279 Speaker 1: That's when I'm shooting my ball to get out of 1006 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 1: my truck, root my boat and shoot ten arrows for 1007 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,279 Speaker 1: fifty yarrows whatever. If you have time for block out 1008 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,919 Speaker 1: that time and plans for it. Don't don't like hope 1009 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna get to it, actually plans for it, you know. 1010 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,879 Speaker 1: And that's I think that's the difference. Yeah, I've heard 1011 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,839 Speaker 1: a lot alolmost same lines. Just the importance of if 1012 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,520 Speaker 1: you get on your schedule in some kind of way, 1013 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,560 Speaker 1: if you actually plan for it, schedule it in there, 1014 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,080 Speaker 1: there's a much greater chance you're actually gonna do it 1015 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,759 Speaker 1: versus just kind of having this idea, oh yeah, i'd 1016 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 1: like to do that today because you know, like we 1017 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,680 Speaker 1: talked about earlier, all these other things come up and 1018 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,520 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's eleven o'clock at night and 1019 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,839 Speaker 1: you didn't do three things that you kind of thought 1020 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:45,719 Speaker 1: you might do. So that's a that's a really good point. Um. 1021 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,160 Speaker 1: So what about this physical fitness side of things, because 1022 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,320 Speaker 1: that's something I think is becoming more and more relevant 1023 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 1: to hunters, especially if you hunt you know, Western big game. 1024 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,920 Speaker 1: It's it's very relevant, but even white tail guys more 1025 00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,640 Speaker 1: and more people now are getting really into hike and 1026 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,759 Speaker 1: way back back into public land, and they'll they'll carry 1027 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,200 Speaker 1: their tree stand and climbing sticks on their back and 1028 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,879 Speaker 1: they'll hike in as far as they can go and 1029 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,160 Speaker 1: come in and out and try and get way back 1030 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,000 Speaker 1: there where it's hard to get, hard to get to 1031 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,879 Speaker 1: so you can find these older deer. Um. So there's 1032 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,480 Speaker 1: a need more and more to try to be is 1033 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 1: physically fit as you can be, at least to make 1034 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,239 Speaker 1: sure that's not a variable that holds you back. Um. 1035 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,839 Speaker 1: I know you talked about you started really ramping up 1036 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,080 Speaker 1: your training in those early years professionally, but I also 1037 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:31,920 Speaker 1: heard that when you retired from the competitive surfing and 1038 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,080 Speaker 1: switched to just the big wave surfing still professionally, but 1039 00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,600 Speaker 1: you weren't on the on the tour when you did that, 1040 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,080 Speaker 1: I heard that you took your training to a different level. Um, 1041 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,960 Speaker 1: is that right? And then what does that mean for you? Like, 1042 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,120 Speaker 1: how did you take that train in the next level? Um, Yeah, 1043 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,879 Speaker 1: that's that's correct. When when I was competing full time, 1044 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,120 Speaker 1: I was doing more mostly like a maintenance program. I 1045 00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,680 Speaker 1: was like just trying to stay physically sit while I 1046 00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,080 Speaker 1: was on the road and I was on the road 1047 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,319 Speaker 1: a ton, Like I was on the road like ten 1048 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,279 Speaker 1: months a year. And so for me, it was like 1049 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,560 Speaker 1: hotel room training and staying you know, staying with a 1050 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,719 Speaker 1: group of guys in a house in France, and like 1051 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,880 Speaker 1: everybody's eating bagats and wine and cheese and trying to 1052 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,359 Speaker 1: you know, find something healthy to eat, and you know, 1053 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,640 Speaker 1: going for a mile run and doing sit ups and 1054 00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,239 Speaker 1: push ups and pull up to my room and and 1055 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,279 Speaker 1: so that was like a maintenance program that I was doing. 1056 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 1: And then once I stopped competing full time, I had 1057 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,880 Speaker 1: more time at home and so I could really scale 1058 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,520 Speaker 1: up my physical famous program. Um. I started doing cross 1059 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 1: fit a serge, and some really intense circuit training started, 1060 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,840 Speaker 1: like entering like little competitions like little track longs and 1061 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,319 Speaker 1: stuff like that around where I lived, just to help 1062 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,440 Speaker 1: me get more fit. Um. But for me, it was 1063 00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,399 Speaker 1: like I really focused on big ways surfing, like really 1064 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,960 Speaker 1: really big ways surfing. So it's like, you know, my 1065 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,879 Speaker 1: training became like survival training. Um, you know, in order 1066 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,400 Speaker 1: for me, She's I think that like for for for surfing, 1067 00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,120 Speaker 1: really big grays, the most important components your mindset and 1068 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,279 Speaker 1: and and the mental aspect of it. And if you 1069 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,080 Speaker 1: if you believe that you put in the work, that 1070 00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:09,160 Speaker 1: makes you really really strong mentally. Um And so that's 1071 00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:10,640 Speaker 1: what I try to do. I did. I did. It's 1072 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,200 Speaker 1: a ton of physical fitness. I got crazy on on 1073 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,160 Speaker 1: on a working out and getting fit because I felt 1074 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,879 Speaker 1: like in those moments, I felt like I had done 1075 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,200 Speaker 1: the work and then I really deserved to be out 1076 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,719 Speaker 1: there and I was. I was totally prepared. That's what 1077 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,120 Speaker 1: That's what gave me the confidence in those moments is 1078 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,640 Speaker 1: all that work I put in. So you know, if 1079 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,120 Speaker 1: you if if if killing a big buck this year, 1080 00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,280 Speaker 1: a big bowl is your goal, and you sit around 1081 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,120 Speaker 1: and you work, you work all day and you get 1082 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,360 Speaker 1: home and you drink twenty beers and you eat nothing 1083 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,840 Speaker 1: but crap, and then Elsie's you know, comes around and 1084 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,440 Speaker 1: that bowl comes into range. I feel like, mentally, you 1085 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,160 Speaker 1: don't feel like you deserve that bowl and you'll miss, 1086 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,839 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I feel like our minds 1087 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,239 Speaker 1: are so strong that you don't deserve that bowl if 1088 00:50:58,239 --> 00:50:59,960 Speaker 1: you don't put in any kind of work, and then 1089 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,440 Speaker 1: your your mind so strong that your your mind will 1090 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,520 Speaker 1: tell you to miss. But if you shoot a millionairows, 1091 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,600 Speaker 1: if you try to watch you if you go to 1092 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,400 Speaker 1: the gym and do the StairMaster, because you're gonna go 1093 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,640 Speaker 1: hunt the west. If you don't drink twenty beers a night. 1094 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,600 Speaker 1: You know, if you if you put into that effort, 1095 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,120 Speaker 1: put into work, and you're disciplined, then you feel prepared. 1096 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,839 Speaker 1: You feel like you put in the work, and then 1097 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,560 Speaker 1: you feel like when that bowl comes in, you feel 1098 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,759 Speaker 1: like you deserve that bowl. And then that's really, really, 1099 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,600 Speaker 1: really makes a huge difference in your mind. Your mind 1100 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,440 Speaker 1: feel like you deserve that bowl. You couldn't work, you 1101 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:34,320 Speaker 1: should kill that bowl. And when you have that mental that, 1102 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,319 Speaker 1: you know, when you're looking at that bowl from that 1103 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,000 Speaker 1: perspective of of you knowing that you earn that bowl, 1104 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,680 Speaker 1: you're going to kill that bowl. You know. Yeah, there's 1105 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,040 Speaker 1: so much to the mental side of things. And that's 1106 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,640 Speaker 1: one of those those I always think about mental toughness 1107 00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,160 Speaker 1: and mental preparedness, like how do you how do you 1108 00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,279 Speaker 1: build that muscle? And I think you're probably right. It's 1109 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,680 Speaker 1: it's just having done so much work and putting in 1110 00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,640 Speaker 1: so much time to just when when you get to 1111 00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,480 Speaker 1: those moments, you don't need to think about can I 1112 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,000 Speaker 1: do this or will I be able to do this 1113 00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,120 Speaker 1: or whatever. It's it's it's just it becomes instinct, it 1114 00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,120 Speaker 1: becomes part of you because you've you've grinded for so 1115 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:14,319 Speaker 1: long to get to that point. Um. On the on, 1116 00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,319 Speaker 1: you mentioned some stuff as far as you know, don't 1117 00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,480 Speaker 1: drink twenty beers a night and try to eat decent um. 1118 00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,000 Speaker 1: Those are good high level ideas. Do you have any 1119 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,479 Speaker 1: other basic, um, just healthy lifestyle things that have worked 1120 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,840 Speaker 1: well for you, Maybe just some things on the eating side, 1121 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,360 Speaker 1: or or some basic things from the fitness that have 1122 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,239 Speaker 1: helped you, know that have been workable to fit in 1123 00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,000 Speaker 1: your life, but have helped you, whether it be surfing 1124 00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,520 Speaker 1: or mountain hunting or anything like that. Anything that jumps out, Yeah, 1125 00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,239 Speaker 1: I mean just in my daily life. I try and 1126 00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,879 Speaker 1: eat one meal out of a blender every day. Um. 1127 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,319 Speaker 1: And I just super simple things like starting in the morning, 1128 00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,520 Speaker 1: I drink a whole a really big glass of water 1129 00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,880 Speaker 1: before putting anything in my body, like like before putting 1130 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,799 Speaker 1: coffee in my stomach, I drink a big, good, giant 1131 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,800 Speaker 1: glass of water. Um. And then I try to eat 1132 00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,920 Speaker 1: how the breakfast and then um, I snack between lunch 1133 00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,520 Speaker 1: and breakfast. I snack between breakfast and lunch, I to 1134 00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,560 Speaker 1: have a healthy snack like a small smoothie or some 1135 00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,279 Speaker 1: fruit something like that, for like a bar if I'm 1136 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,080 Speaker 1: on the if I'm on the go, and then I 1137 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:16,799 Speaker 1: have to try and to have a healthy lunch like 1138 00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,239 Speaker 1: slay like stalmon and rice or some salmon veggies or 1139 00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,080 Speaker 1: or like vants and new veggies or something like that. 1140 00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,120 Speaker 1: And then I have a snack in between lunch and dinner, 1141 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,520 Speaker 1: and then I have a and then my the smallest 1142 00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,560 Speaker 1: meal of the day for me at dinner always, so 1143 00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,760 Speaker 1: like I try to think of food is fuel only. 1144 00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,240 Speaker 1: So like after dinner, I'm probably gonna go to sleep, 1145 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,400 Speaker 1: so I don't really need a bunch of calories to 1146 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,160 Speaker 1: go to sleep, right Like that's the last meeting. So 1147 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,680 Speaker 1: for me, I eat a pretty good sized breakfast because 1148 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,359 Speaker 1: that's the start of day. I'm gonna be like using 1149 00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,959 Speaker 1: those calories all day. And then the same thing for lunch. 1150 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,440 Speaker 1: I got gad the afternoon, I'll probably eat pretty good 1151 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,560 Speaker 1: sized lunch and then I'll have a snack to keep 1152 00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,480 Speaker 1: me going, and then dinner is my smallest meal by far, 1153 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:02,560 Speaker 1: so and um, I I try not to eat lots 1154 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,440 Speaker 1: of rice or lots of potatoes or or French fries 1155 00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,600 Speaker 1: or bread or anything like that. Like for dinner, I'll 1156 00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,440 Speaker 1: try and eat um, you know, mostly like a typical 1157 00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,080 Speaker 1: dinner for me is like sammy and veggies or deer 1158 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,640 Speaker 1: steaks and veggies or gear tacos or something like that, 1159 00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,520 Speaker 1: like but really small, you know, just a small meal, 1160 00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,239 Speaker 1: and then um, I go to sleep and drink lots 1161 00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:25,480 Speaker 1: of water and try and get a lot of sleep. 1162 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,280 Speaker 1: Do you think that the snacking you do in between 1163 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,160 Speaker 1: your meals is that helping just control your appetite so 1164 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,160 Speaker 1: when it does come to be dinner or lunch, you're 1165 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:38,520 Speaker 1: not picking out right. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, that's 1166 00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,680 Speaker 1: that's something I'm trying to get better. Yeah. I mean 1167 00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,799 Speaker 1: I also drink a lot of water because you know, 1168 00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,360 Speaker 1: if I get really really hungry, I I stopped thinking 1169 00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:51,759 Speaker 1: about eating food is fuel, I started thinking about comfort food. 1170 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,440 Speaker 1: I started thinking about birders and fries. Um. If I 1171 00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,480 Speaker 1: get really really hungry, and then everything goes out the window. 1172 00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,959 Speaker 1: So I try and drink a lot of water, which 1173 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,080 Speaker 1: keeps my stomach fool and then I eat snacks. I 1174 00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,520 Speaker 1: eat healthy snacks like planas or apples or bars, or 1175 00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,279 Speaker 1: something like that between so I'm not starving when much 1176 00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,359 Speaker 1: comes around and then I have I have a plan, like, hey, 1177 00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,879 Speaker 1: it's for lunch, this is what I need today, and 1178 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,840 Speaker 1: I'm not like, oh, what should eat? Okay, We'll go 1179 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:20,440 Speaker 1: to Chipotle and it's just a giant, giant burrito, you know, 1180 00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,440 Speaker 1: massive burrito with you know, or a French fries in 1181 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,560 Speaker 1: the burger because when I get hungry, I want French 1182 00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,960 Speaker 1: fries in the burger area. Um. Yeah, So I try 1183 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,200 Speaker 1: to I try to stop myself from getting like crazy hungry, 1184 00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,840 Speaker 1: and I do that by eating healthy snacks. Yeah. It 1185 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,040 Speaker 1: kind of comes back to that kind of scheduling idea, 1186 00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,040 Speaker 1: like how do you do all the things you want 1187 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,080 Speaker 1: to do in your day? You schedule it? Well, how 1188 00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,040 Speaker 1: do you make sure you eat in a decent way? Well, 1189 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,480 Speaker 1: you can try to plan ahead versus like those impulse 1190 00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,800 Speaker 1: decisions when your your impulse decision making is not nearly 1191 00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,680 Speaker 1: as good as your forward thinking. Yeah it's not as 1192 00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,560 Speaker 1: it's not as um adventurous and and fun, but it's 1193 00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:00,439 Speaker 1: definitely it's really really good pretty health. Yeah. Yeah, that's 1194 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,040 Speaker 1: something that that definitely I know, I'm trying to find 1195 00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,320 Speaker 1: ways to just you know, is most of my goals 1196 00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,799 Speaker 1: and the things I'm trying to accomplish are you know, 1197 00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:14,239 Speaker 1: outdoor pursuit related hunting or backcountry backpacking or whatever it 1198 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:15,840 Speaker 1: might be. You know, trying to find ways to just 1199 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,279 Speaker 1: live a healthier lifestyle. That that seems to be just 1200 00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,840 Speaker 1: that area where there's there's a room for improving for 1201 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,279 Speaker 1: a lot of us here in America, no doubt. And 1202 00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,320 Speaker 1: it probably just takes a little bit of that discipline, 1203 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,439 Speaker 1: like we just keep on talking about over and over again. Um. 1204 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,319 Speaker 1: On the fitness side, any anything, you know, any basic 1205 00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,000 Speaker 1: high level ideas. There are a couple of things that 1206 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,960 Speaker 1: people could try implementing to try to get ready for 1207 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,520 Speaker 1: that that first l con or whatever it might be. Well, 1208 00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,520 Speaker 1: just in general, I mean just doing something for thirty minutes, 1209 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,000 Speaker 1: and I feel like I feel like for most people 1210 00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:52,040 Speaker 1: they can they can, um like they'll some people like 1211 00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,560 Speaker 1: to swim in a pool and some people hate the water. 1212 00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,440 Speaker 1: You know, it's totally different for each person. So find 1213 00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,440 Speaker 1: something that you actually can stomach and I to do 1214 00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,760 Speaker 1: and do that, but do it for a certain amount 1215 00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,279 Speaker 1: of time, and do it for a certain amount of 1216 00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,680 Speaker 1: days every week. So if that's walking on a treadmill. UM. 1217 00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,040 Speaker 1: If it's that simple, then just go to the gym 1218 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:12,960 Speaker 1: four days a week and do it for thirty minutes 1219 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:17,520 Speaker 1: a day. Whatever it is. UM. But like specifically for um, 1220 00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,360 Speaker 1: like for elk or hunting the West, definitely like care 1221 00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:24,200 Speaker 1: master or going to treadmill and put as vertical as 1222 00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,440 Speaker 1: you possibly can. UM. And even better than that is 1223 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,560 Speaker 1: like you know, if you have time and there's a 1224 00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,520 Speaker 1: hill around or stairs or something like that, but I 1225 00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,680 Speaker 1: really heavy back crack on kind of walk up and 1226 00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,680 Speaker 1: down the stairs, or walk up and down the mountain 1227 00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,000 Speaker 1: on the hills, you know. So that's definitely is a 1228 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,600 Speaker 1: lot of the best thing you can do. And then 1229 00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,120 Speaker 1: like high elevation, like where I live, there's you know, 1230 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,760 Speaker 1: I I live at four thousand and then just up 1231 00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:47,600 Speaker 1: the street from my house the mountain goes to eight 1232 00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,400 Speaker 1: thousand feet. So I can do a lot of a 1233 00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,800 Speaker 1: lot of my hunting. I hunt sheep a lot of 1234 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,280 Speaker 1: like seven eight and so I do a lot of 1235 00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,920 Speaker 1: like higher elevation hunt anyway. So UM, but I do 1236 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,040 Speaker 1: us love I love I love like alpine hunts. I love, 1237 00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,040 Speaker 1: UM you know that sort of like adventure backpack doing 1238 00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:11,120 Speaker 1: yourself kind of like wilderness kind of hunting out at um. Yeah, 1239 00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:12,959 Speaker 1: so I went, you know, whenever I have a hunt 1240 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,919 Speaker 1: like that coming up, I definitely try to put put 1241 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,280 Speaker 1: the time in, so you know, I can't I can't 1242 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,120 Speaker 1: blame my physical fitness for not killing able. Yeah, speaking 1243 00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,800 Speaker 1: of this kind of training stuff and not necessarily just 1244 00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,720 Speaker 1: physical fitness, but this kind of reminded me of something 1245 00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,800 Speaker 1: I heard you talk about once where you were talking 1246 00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,560 Speaker 1: about the importance to train for these worst case scenarios, 1247 00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,560 Speaker 1: and you talked about like a big wave scenario when 1248 00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,920 Speaker 1: you wipe out and you're underwater for a minute or something, 1249 00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:40,960 Speaker 1: and you talked about this I think it was the 1250 00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,800 Speaker 1: Ocean Warrior course UM, where you train for those kinds 1251 00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,960 Speaker 1: of situations. You put yourself in that like life or 1252 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,240 Speaker 1: death scenario UM to make sure that when those real 1253 00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,880 Speaker 1: things happened, you were ready for it. Can you just 1254 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:54,640 Speaker 1: kind of talk about what that was like and why 1255 00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,200 Speaker 1: that kind of thing is is helpful for people? Yeah? Um, 1256 00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,360 Speaker 1: so so for need surfing really big waves, it's it 1257 00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,480 Speaker 1: is really truly a life and death type of situation. 1258 00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,040 Speaker 1: That's there. I've had a lot of friends that died 1259 00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,400 Speaker 1: surfing big waves and what I do, and um, they honestly, 1260 00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:14,520 Speaker 1: they almost always die drowning. So being underwater for too 1261 00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:18,040 Speaker 1: long he di um. And so I've done a lot 1262 00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,600 Speaker 1: of underwater breast training to to like building my lungs, 1263 00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,600 Speaker 1: but more importantly just to get mentally tougher. UM. So 1264 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:30,360 Speaker 1: you put yourself in extremely uncomfortable situations so that when 1265 00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:34,120 Speaker 1: uncomfortably uncomfortable situation presents itself and it's a really really 1266 00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:38,120 Speaker 1: it's real life, it's not shocking. So you know, if 1267 00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,680 Speaker 1: you want to become an feel you don't wait until 1268 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,680 Speaker 1: you're in Afghanistan and be uncomfortable, you know what I mean. 1269 00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:48,680 Speaker 1: You you do a ton of training that is all horribly, 1270 00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:53,240 Speaker 1: horribly uncomfortable and just suffer fast. And then when you 1271 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,960 Speaker 1: get to Afghanistan and you're suffering and you're feed or 1272 00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,720 Speaker 1: full of blisters, and you're cold and you're wet, and 1273 00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,600 Speaker 1: people shooting at you, and you feel like the world's 1274 01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,960 Speaker 1: crashing down because that's not your first time because you've 1275 01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,800 Speaker 1: been through the training, you've suffered your horrible stuff with 1276 01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,120 Speaker 1: and and so it's very similar with surfing. You you 1277 01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:18,360 Speaker 1: try and recreate all those things anticipated happening in real life. 1278 01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,800 Speaker 1: So under controlled situation. I'll go into a pool with 1279 01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,720 Speaker 1: with a friend who's watching me, and I'll basically hold 1280 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,160 Speaker 1: my breath as long as I possibly can and do 1281 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,520 Speaker 1: all these crazy exercises and try and hold your best 1282 01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,360 Speaker 1: for a long time and do all these circuit training underwater. 1283 01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,280 Speaker 1: It's like doing like a jam work out what you're 1284 01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,960 Speaker 1: doing underwater in a pool, and sometimes you even go 1285 01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,640 Speaker 1: all the way to where you black out. And that's 1286 01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:41,400 Speaker 1: why you have to add do it with somebody, a 1287 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,160 Speaker 1: partner that's going to be sitting there and waiting for 1288 01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,040 Speaker 1: that to happen, and then when it does happen, they 1289 01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,400 Speaker 1: can bring you up safely. And so when I'm so 1290 01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,360 Speaker 1: and I'm serving really big ways and i go under 1291 01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,320 Speaker 1: and I'm underwater for a very very long time, instead 1292 01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,400 Speaker 1: of like hoping I'm not dying, I'm going back to 1293 01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,320 Speaker 1: my process of I've done this before. I've been underwater 1294 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,200 Speaker 1: for you know, five and a half minutes before, I've 1295 01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,080 Speaker 1: been underwater for a minute and forty five seconds with 1296 01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,680 Speaker 1: a superior heart rate, And I know what this is like. 1297 01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,600 Speaker 1: It sucks. It's it's feels like you're going to die, 1298 01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,720 Speaker 1: but you have plenty of time and I have all 1299 01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:14,760 Speaker 1: that information in your head and be thinking about all 1300 01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,240 Speaker 1: that stuff. It stops you from panicking. And that's that's 1301 01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,760 Speaker 1: what keeps you living. That's that's that's how you survive. 1302 01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:24,440 Speaker 1: So have you had had an instance, Yeah, have you 1303 01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,440 Speaker 1: had an instance now since you've done a lot of 1304 01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,040 Speaker 1: this training where you found yourself in that scenario and 1305 01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,440 Speaker 1: you were actually able to kind of step outside of 1306 01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,680 Speaker 1: yourself mentally and have that like self talk happen or 1307 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:37,920 Speaker 1: is it is it just instinct and you do all 1308 01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,480 Speaker 1: these things that you're not actually talking yourself through it underwater? Yeah, 1309 01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,000 Speaker 1: I know I've had those situations and I definitely talked 1310 01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,200 Speaker 1: to talk, definitely talking to myself to to just like 1311 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,160 Speaker 1: remember all the training and remember all the steps and 1312 01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:54,040 Speaker 1: remember all the the times where I felt like that. Um. 1313 01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:55,600 Speaker 1: But if you do it enough, you don't really need 1314 01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,320 Speaker 1: to think about it that much. You know. It's just 1315 01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,640 Speaker 1: like you become comfortable with being UNCOMFORTA will do what 1316 01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:04,080 Speaker 1: it's all about, do you see now? Of course, not 1317 01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,120 Speaker 1: that kind of specific situation, but there are there any 1318 01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,360 Speaker 1: parallels as far as what people could do to train 1319 01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,320 Speaker 1: for the worst case scenario in hunting. Like I'm imagining right, 1320 01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,000 Speaker 1: what I'm jumping to, Like, archery is a great thing 1321 01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,280 Speaker 1: to point too, because there's ways you could kind of 1322 01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,680 Speaker 1: train for the worst case scenario from an archery standpoint, 1323 01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,120 Speaker 1: But I don't know, is there any other ways you 1324 01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,400 Speaker 1: see that translating to what you do as a hunter 1325 01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:28,040 Speaker 1: or what other people might Yeah, dude, it's like it's 1326 01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:31,760 Speaker 1: you know, if you if it's it's just come down 1327 01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,440 Speaker 1: to like what's important. Like you know, I have friends 1328 01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,000 Speaker 1: that from Hawaii that you know, they're like, I'm gonna 1329 01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,320 Speaker 1: go hunting this year for elk, and then they go 1330 01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,680 Speaker 1: hunting for elk, and you know, like I'll talk to 1331 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,240 Speaker 1: him and I'll be like, why are you calling me 1332 01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:46,600 Speaker 1: on the phone? Are you supposed to be elk hunting? 1333 01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:50,040 Speaker 1: And they're like, yeah, it was snowing, Yeah it was raining, 1334 01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,560 Speaker 1: Yeah it was super cold today, or yeah there's elk 1335 01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:56,720 Speaker 1: purn't around. So I came out, I came and got 1336 01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,760 Speaker 1: a hotel, and I'm gonna cho for a few days 1337 01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,600 Speaker 1: until the snow passes or till the storm pauses, or 1338 01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:05,200 Speaker 1: until it gets warmer. You know what I mean. Like, 1339 01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,280 Speaker 1: if you if you wait into your elk hunting to 1340 01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,840 Speaker 1: be uncomfortable with you. If you wait to your elkhning 1341 01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:13,760 Speaker 1: to be cold, if you wait till your elk hunting 1342 01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,320 Speaker 1: to have your feet sword, if your weight who as 1343 01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,960 Speaker 1: you wait to elkinning to have your legs cramping up 1344 01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,160 Speaker 1: and sword, then you're gonna fail. Dude. You know it's 1345 01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:26,400 Speaker 1: like so simple, but we're just lazy. We're so comfortable now, 1346 01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:30,480 Speaker 1: and just like modern society is so comfortable, it becomes 1347 01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:35,520 Speaker 1: soft and just like like a country of pussy's. Really 1348 01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,080 Speaker 1: I hate ain't that, but it's true and I'm totally 1349 01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:42,000 Speaker 1: guilty too. Like our lives are so comfortable these days, 1350 01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:45,080 Speaker 1: they really are. And and so if you have an 1351 01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,960 Speaker 1: elk hunt coming up, Sugar, act like it, live like it, 1352 01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,960 Speaker 1: you know, like put the pack on on the weekend, 1353 01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,240 Speaker 1: like you know, cut out an hour out of your 1354 01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,280 Speaker 1: schedule and go, you know what, honey, on Saturday morning, 1355 01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be gone for an hour, find the steepest 1356 01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,560 Speaker 1: mountain around where you live, but a fifty pound pack 1357 01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:05,360 Speaker 1: on and walk up and down it a bunch of 1358 01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,240 Speaker 1: times and break those boot team, get the blizzers. Figure 1359 01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,560 Speaker 1: out what socks work, what what sox don't beat, and 1360 01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,200 Speaker 1: if if it's Saturday morning and eight o'clock when you 1361 01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,280 Speaker 1: told your wife you're going to go and do that 1362 01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,840 Speaker 1: and it's pouring rain. Just what, don't don't go to 1363 01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,120 Speaker 1: breakfast instead, don't sit in bed and chill until the 1364 01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,280 Speaker 1: rain goes away. But on the range here, go do 1365 01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,520 Speaker 1: it just like you would elk hunting. Like it's the 1366 01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:28,760 Speaker 1: same thing when you're elk hunting. If you're in your 1367 01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,600 Speaker 1: tent and it's cold and raining, put your raineer on 1368 01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,600 Speaker 1: and go hunt. They're almost still out there, you know 1369 01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,520 Speaker 1: what I mean? Like no excuses. I feel like if 1370 01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,760 Speaker 1: you if you're always looking for an excuse, there's always 1371 01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,919 Speaker 1: gonna be one. Yeah. Man, I feel like if you're 1372 01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,600 Speaker 1: willing to do that, if you're willing to go through 1373 01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:48,880 Speaker 1: that suffer fest, whether it be the training suffer fest 1374 01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,560 Speaker 1: or when it's the actual real deal suffer fest out 1375 01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:53,120 Speaker 1: there and you go through the ship and you get 1376 01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,480 Speaker 1: out the other side like that. Yeah, maybe it doesn't 1377 01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,640 Speaker 1: sound like fun in the moment, but those are, at 1378 01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:02,480 Speaker 1: least for me, those are the experiences that like the 1379 01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:04,800 Speaker 1: stick with you the most, Like when you have to 1380 01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,680 Speaker 1: suffer and go through this really tough stuff, like that's 1381 01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:09,840 Speaker 1: kind of that's when you feel most alive, I think, 1382 01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:11,280 Speaker 1: and when you look back on it, I feel like 1383 01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:16,560 Speaker 1: that was that was worth doing. You know. For for 1384 01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,480 Speaker 1: a number of years, I didn't know anything about elk hunting. 1385 01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:22,120 Speaker 1: You know, I was pretty new to hunting. This isn't 1386 01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,640 Speaker 1: Like two thousand and six, I started going elk hunting 1387 01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,400 Speaker 1: with my buddy from here in Hawaii who had gone 1388 01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,600 Speaker 1: elk hunting a few times. But we didn't know how 1389 01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:32,959 Speaker 1: to call elk. We didn't know how to hunt elk. 1390 01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,320 Speaker 1: We just did a little bit of research online, like 1391 01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,640 Speaker 1: as much as we could, but I had no idea 1392 01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,640 Speaker 1: how to research anything. So I was just going off 1393 01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,240 Speaker 1: his information of where to go, and we we like 1394 01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,360 Speaker 1: rented a car and drove to the trailhead and then 1395 01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,920 Speaker 1: walk as far as we possibly could, Um, found the 1396 01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:53,760 Speaker 1: found the water, the highest the highest creek on the 1397 01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:58,080 Speaker 1: map that we could, and then um, you know it 1398 01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,160 Speaker 1: is And we hunted up for like three years like that, 1399 01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:04,880 Speaker 1: like hardcore back country do it yourself over the counter tag, 1400 01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:07,640 Speaker 1: you know, trying to beat other hunters, tons of people 1401 01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:11,280 Speaker 1: around and trying to walk further, you know, wake up 1402 01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,200 Speaker 1: earlier and just put in a hardcore miles and then 1403 01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,480 Speaker 1: So I did that for three years and on my 1404 01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,320 Speaker 1: third year end up killing a bowl and then that 1405 01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,720 Speaker 1: was a massive That was a huge accomplishment for me. 1406 01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,120 Speaker 1: In the next year, I was so excited to go 1407 01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:25,600 Speaker 1: back and we were supposed to go back and plan 1408 01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:29,160 Speaker 1: a trip, bought my ticket, organized everything kind about three year. 1409 01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,840 Speaker 1: Four days before I left, my friend called me that 1410 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,880 Speaker 1: I can't go. Too bids busy, something came up, I 1411 01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,960 Speaker 1: can't go, And so I was thinking, like what do 1412 01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,600 Speaker 1: I do, like come by myself like in calle. I like, what, 1413 01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:43,200 Speaker 1: you know, what should I just call it? Call the 1414 01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,160 Speaker 1: trip off? It would have been so easy to call 1415 01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:47,960 Speaker 1: the trip off? And instead I or I ordered a 1416 01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,440 Speaker 1: satellite phone for I rented a satellite phone for a 1417 01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,960 Speaker 1: week and I said, screw it, I'm going. And so 1418 01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,360 Speaker 1: I did that hunt called by myself, and and hike 1419 01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:01,160 Speaker 1: eight miles back and up from my park and hunted 1420 01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,959 Speaker 1: for you know, eight days by myself. And I didn't 1421 01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:07,760 Speaker 1: kill a bull, but I went through multiple and knowledge snowstorms, 1422 01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,160 Speaker 1: um bear tracks next to my next to my tent, 1423 01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:13,520 Speaker 1: lightning storms, or I had to move my tent the 1424 01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,160 Speaker 1: middle of the night, almost getting traveled by Elton Middle 1425 01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:20,000 Speaker 1: of the night, like so many crazy things that would 1426 01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,920 Speaker 1: have been so easy to pull steaks and just get 1427 01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:23,520 Speaker 1: out of there and like go back down to the 1428 01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:27,240 Speaker 1: holiday inn, and I just made myself like suffer through it. 1429 01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,680 Speaker 1: And man, those are the times I don't remember, Like 1430 01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:33,040 Speaker 1: I don't remember all the times when I was like 1431 01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,440 Speaker 1: looking for some giant bowl at the time, but I 1432 01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,520 Speaker 1: remember all those moments of where I felt like I 1433 01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,440 Speaker 1: was about to die or felt super like you know, 1434 01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,680 Speaker 1: the crazy roller coaster of emotions that come with you know, 1435 01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:45,960 Speaker 1: thinking there's a bear outside at night you're by yourself, 1436 01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:50,240 Speaker 1: or crazy snowstorm or bear tracks or um. You know, 1437 01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,520 Speaker 1: all that sort all those sort of things that you 1438 01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,400 Speaker 1: go through or like they're just that's that's when you 1439 01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,000 Speaker 1: feel like you're living at you know, It's like if 1440 01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:00,840 Speaker 1: you if you always go back to the holiday and 1441 01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:02,800 Speaker 1: when it starts snowing, that you're only living your life. 1442 01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:08,680 Speaker 1: That's a shitty way, just not the way to do it. Agree. So, 1443 01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:12,000 Speaker 1: so what is going through your mind when you're in 1444 01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,240 Speaker 1: that scenarre You're out there by yourself and all this 1445 01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,960 Speaker 1: ship is happening, the blizzard, the bears, um, Like, how 1446 01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,960 Speaker 1: do what's your like self talk in that kind in 1447 01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,800 Speaker 1: those kinds of moments like do you have are you 1448 01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,320 Speaker 1: like talking yourself through things? Are you are you just 1449 01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:28,080 Speaker 1: thinking about, Hey, you've got this goal you really want 1450 01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,200 Speaker 1: to work towards it, or like what is it? How 1451 01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:34,080 Speaker 1: do you deal with that stuff? For you? Um, well, 1452 01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,200 Speaker 1: I've learned a lot from from different people that I've 1453 01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:39,280 Speaker 1: hunted with. I hunted with Adam green Tree quite a 1454 01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:43,120 Speaker 1: bit in Australia, and he loves to suffer. He's like 1455 01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:46,439 Speaker 1: a suffer guy. He loves being uncomfortable, and but he's 1456 01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,160 Speaker 1: got little tricks like when he's super cold and he's 1457 01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:51,240 Speaker 1: by himself and he's lonely and it's snowing and it's 1458 01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,880 Speaker 1: he's in his tent, stuck there in his nighttime and 1459 01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:57,360 Speaker 1: he's hearing bears and stuff, he'll start a fire. He'll still, 1460 01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:59,800 Speaker 1: He'll light a candle. He'll you know, like the some 1461 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,040 Speaker 1: think about fire is super soothing and like to humans, 1462 01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:05,559 Speaker 1: like if it's just dark and you're by yourself and 1463 01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,880 Speaker 1: you have your headlamp on, it creates anxiety, it creates stress, 1464 01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:11,639 Speaker 1: creates fear. But if you have a little fire going, 1465 01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,200 Speaker 1: even if it's a tiny little fire, it really helps 1466 01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,439 Speaker 1: that want that, you know, and that's something about the flame. 1467 01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:21,240 Speaker 1: Just as humans, it's like mellows us out. It lowers 1468 01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:24,559 Speaker 1: our stress, makes us way more you know, chilled out, 1469 01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:28,479 Speaker 1: and like makes it, you know, less depressed more just 1470 01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,720 Speaker 1: just in general, like that makes you feel better. There's 1471 01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,200 Speaker 1: a lot of like little things like that, getting plenty 1472 01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,200 Speaker 1: of rest, like taking little breaks and meditating. There's a 1473 01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:37,960 Speaker 1: lot of things you can do to like get through 1474 01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:44,000 Speaker 1: those periods where, um, sometimes it seems unbearable. You know, Yeah, 1475 01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:48,439 Speaker 1: I feel those things can definitely be really tough, and 1476 01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,000 Speaker 1: it definitely comes back down to the mental side of things. 1477 01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:53,920 Speaker 1: And you mentioned something which I don't know much about. 1478 01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,080 Speaker 1: And for a long time I always thought it was 1479 01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:58,519 Speaker 1: kind of like woo woo. But the more and more 1480 01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:01,519 Speaker 1: I kind of study people that are doing great things 1481 01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:03,360 Speaker 1: with their lives, you keep hearing about it over and 1482 01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,400 Speaker 1: over and over again, and I'm starting to wonder is 1483 01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:08,800 Speaker 1: there something to this? Um? And you said meditating, Is 1484 01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,080 Speaker 1: that something that in any way you like, is actually 1485 01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,559 Speaker 1: part of your life in some way? Is that helpful? 1486 01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,599 Speaker 1: It is, um, And it may not be like another 1487 01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,840 Speaker 1: person's I think there's a lot of different meditating you know, 1488 01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,360 Speaker 1: there's a lot of different sorts of meditating. There's the 1489 01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,720 Speaker 1: kind where you're shitting um, you know, with a with 1490 01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,519 Speaker 1: cross legisition with your kind of not perfect position and 1491 01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:32,599 Speaker 1: you're like, oh mom, that ty of meditating. And everyone 1492 01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,439 Speaker 1: has a different type of meditation. For some some people 1493 01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:39,320 Speaker 1: it's like during yoga poses for some people during breathing exercises. 1494 01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:41,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, I do I have, I have. I I 1495 01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:45,799 Speaker 1: usually do sort of meditation when I'm when I'm stretching, 1496 01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:49,600 Speaker 1: and my exercises I do is really slow exercises, like 1497 01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:51,960 Speaker 1: for my back. My back does really tweaked sometimes, and 1498 01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:55,280 Speaker 1: so I have like a um, like a little routine 1499 01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:58,519 Speaker 1: that I do. I meditate during that and then. But yeah, 1500 01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,320 Speaker 1: I mean I think meditation to be really a good 1501 01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:02,880 Speaker 1: and everyone has your own way of doing that, but 1502 01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:04,880 Speaker 1: it's a just a way to relaxt and the focus 1503 01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,080 Speaker 1: and I think that's good especially to you on like 1504 01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:09,840 Speaker 1: at that country hunt by yourself where you're really uncomfortable 1505 01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,400 Speaker 1: or something like that. I just was thinking about the 1506 01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:16,240 Speaker 1: story like on Colorado with my buddy and it was, um, 1507 01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:18,800 Speaker 1: it was September and it's it's hot, and one day 1508 01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:20,680 Speaker 1: we woke up really early in the morning, one in 1509 01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,040 Speaker 1: the morning, in the pitch black, and walked up over 1510 01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:25,080 Speaker 1: this huge region. Took us forever to get there, and 1511 01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,640 Speaker 1: it started snowing like crazy, and it started raining like 1512 01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,680 Speaker 1: crazy and then snowing again, and I was soaked to 1513 01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,479 Speaker 1: the bone. I was so cold. It went for I 1514 01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:38,200 Speaker 1: was planning it it being like sixties seventy degrees and 1515 01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:41,519 Speaker 1: it was like thirty degrees and it was freezing cold. 1516 01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,639 Speaker 1: And I was soaked to the bone, like socks were 1517 01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:48,439 Speaker 1: soaked a shitty reindeer on. It all got wet. I 1518 01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:50,840 Speaker 1: was miserable. All I wanted to do was walk back 1519 01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:52,200 Speaker 1: to the truck and started to heat her on, even 1520 01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:55,080 Speaker 1: though it was like three hours away, and um, and 1521 01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,880 Speaker 1: I remember my friend was just like, no, we're gonna stop, 1522 01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,160 Speaker 1: and we're gonna make a fire. And we gathered our 1523 01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:03,080 Speaker 1: would have made a huge, giant infernal and we had 1524 01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,759 Speaker 1: the best time ever. We had like a two hour 1525 01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:07,760 Speaker 1: dry out. We took off all of our face, the 1526 01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:09,400 Speaker 1: all of our clothes and like dried it out in 1527 01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:12,080 Speaker 1: the tree and it all got dry and warm, and 1528 01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,320 Speaker 1: we were there was just something about that fire, and 1529 01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,720 Speaker 1: we even though it was just like two hours of 1530 01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,320 Speaker 1: the game. We were completely dry and the weather broke, 1531 01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:22,400 Speaker 1: we got nice and then we we hunted all day long, 1532 01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:24,599 Speaker 1: super hardcore, instead of walking back to the truck all 1533 01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,479 Speaker 1: the way. It just completely changed our perspective on our 1534 01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:29,200 Speaker 1: outlook and we just had an type of day of hunting. 1535 01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,680 Speaker 1: And so there's like little things like that you can 1536 01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,360 Speaker 1: do just change change the situation that you're in and 1537 01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:36,599 Speaker 1: and just makes all the difference. It's like a little 1538 01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:40,200 Speaker 1: mental reset, right. I feel like that's That's one of 1539 01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,040 Speaker 1: the things I hear people talk about, Like you said, 1540 01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,599 Speaker 1: like back on the meditation thing, Like some people assume 1541 01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,639 Speaker 1: that meditating is like that home deal, But I keep 1542 01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,760 Speaker 1: on hearing from people that are talking about it more 1543 01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,479 Speaker 1: so just being like just finding a way to kind 1544 01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:54,800 Speaker 1: of take control of your like just what's going on 1545 01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:56,880 Speaker 1: in your mind and just like focus on something and 1546 01:12:56,920 --> 01:13:00,000 Speaker 1: just kind of resets you just a little bit. Um. 1547 01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:04,880 Speaker 1: I could imagine that being helpful. It is no matter. 1548 01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:06,840 Speaker 1: I think for me, it's like a it's like a 1549 01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,920 Speaker 1: makes making sure that that you're living according to your 1550 01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,800 Speaker 1: priorities and your goals, you know, instead of just doing 1551 01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,360 Speaker 1: what's comfortable all the time. I keep coming back to that. 1552 01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,600 Speaker 1: But as I think that's the thing that's like the 1553 01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:21,680 Speaker 1: main thing for me is like really like remembering my 1554 01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:23,519 Speaker 1: priorities and my goals and what I really want to 1555 01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,160 Speaker 1: do and then like living my life accordingly, you know 1556 01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,479 Speaker 1: every day in that way. Do you have a way 1557 01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:32,000 Speaker 1: to like keep track of that or make sure you're 1558 01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,439 Speaker 1: like you're staying on point. I know, like some people 1559 01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:37,200 Speaker 1: I've heard some people talk about like every night before 1560 01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,000 Speaker 1: they go to bed, they try to think about like 1561 01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,840 Speaker 1: three things are grateful for, or like the two things 1562 01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,479 Speaker 1: that really matter, or something that ways to keep reminding 1563 01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,240 Speaker 1: yourself making sure you're you're thinking about these things. Is 1564 01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:49,840 Speaker 1: there anything like that that you do um to keep 1565 01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:54,479 Speaker 1: those priorities straight? Yeah, It's it's mostly just focusing on 1566 01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:58,920 Speaker 1: my goals or you know, like focusing on things that 1567 01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,800 Speaker 1: I want to achieve, or using on little things that 1568 01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:05,160 Speaker 1: are coming up, like say, say I'm going hunting, you 1569 01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,680 Speaker 1: know six weeks from now for access to hear on now, 1570 01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,120 Speaker 1: Like I'll have that on my calendar and every night 1571 01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:12,400 Speaker 1: before I go to sleep or during the day, I'll 1572 01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,040 Speaker 1: think about that and be like, hey, those you are 1573 01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,000 Speaker 1: going to be there. I know they are gonna be 1574 01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:17,800 Speaker 1: some big book and so I need to go shoot 1575 01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:19,960 Speaker 1: my bow. I'm gonna do that tomorrow at twelve o'clock, 1576 01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:21,920 Speaker 1: right before you go pick up my kids from school, 1577 01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:26,400 Speaker 1: you know. So I try to try to stay stay 1578 01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,479 Speaker 1: motivated to do the things I need to do in 1579 01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:29,800 Speaker 1: my life that I want to do so I can 1580 01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,880 Speaker 1: achieve those goals that are coming up in the future. Yeah, 1581 01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:35,840 Speaker 1: in that makes sense. Yeah it does. I feel like 1582 01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:39,320 Speaker 1: I can do something similar. And you know, when there's 1583 01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:41,840 Speaker 1: tough things that maybe I don't want to do right away, 1584 01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:45,040 Speaker 1: I can always think to those goals and remind myself, well, 1585 01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:47,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't feel great to jump out of better right 1586 01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:49,639 Speaker 1: now because you're really tired, but you have that hunt 1587 01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:51,720 Speaker 1: coming up. So those are good ways to always just 1588 01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,240 Speaker 1: keep you motivated and keep you focused, keep your eyes 1589 01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:57,519 Speaker 1: in the progress. Um. Now, what about the flip side 1590 01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,920 Speaker 1: of all this though, Because I've bously you're you're very 1591 01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:04,719 Speaker 1: goal oriented, very achievement oriented. You're you're focused on the priorities, 1592 01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:06,519 Speaker 1: you're doing good work, you're pushing to be the best 1593 01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,960 Speaker 1: you can be. Um, there's this flip side of though, this, 1594 01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:14,200 Speaker 1: which is where things go too far. Maybe you know, 1595 01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:16,880 Speaker 1: like I know, I remember hearing about you talking in 1596 01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:21,000 Speaker 1: the earlier is eve a professional career when the competitive surfing, 1597 01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,040 Speaker 1: you know, doing the tour and stuff, you kind of 1598 01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:26,479 Speaker 1: burn out on it. Something just lost the the fun 1599 01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:29,599 Speaker 1: or or something was wrong there and you burnt out 1600 01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:32,479 Speaker 1: on it. You went so hard that it lost you 1601 01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,559 Speaker 1: lost the love for the game. Maybe. UM, I feel 1602 01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:37,599 Speaker 1: like that can happen in the hunting world too, where 1603 01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:39,640 Speaker 1: you you go so hard, you love it so much, 1604 01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,599 Speaker 1: you push push, push, push push. You're hunting twenty five 1605 01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,880 Speaker 1: days straight, all day, every day if you have the time. Um, 1606 01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:47,679 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you realize, like it's 1607 01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:50,679 Speaker 1: it's consumed your life. It's taken over your life, maybe 1608 01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:54,760 Speaker 1: in a in a negative way. UM, how do you 1609 01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,320 Speaker 1: how did you deal with that in that situation when 1610 01:15:57,320 --> 01:15:59,280 Speaker 1: you kind of shifted your professional focus? What was that 1611 01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:00,920 Speaker 1: like for you? And then how do you think about 1612 01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,519 Speaker 1: burnout and letting your drive go too far and balancing 1613 01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:09,120 Speaker 1: all that? You know, it's it's Um. The serving thing 1614 01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:12,320 Speaker 1: is really different in in you know, like in regards 1615 01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:15,560 Speaker 1: to what you're talking about, because, um, you know, I 1616 01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:19,080 Speaker 1: feel like if you're in sports, whether you're whether you're 1617 01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:22,960 Speaker 1: like a professional golfer or professional basketball player or a 1618 01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:26,920 Speaker 1: professional surfer. Like it's such a high pressure situation. There's 1619 01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:30,960 Speaker 1: so many people that want your job and you it's 1620 01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,800 Speaker 1: just like the least amount of job security you could 1621 01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:36,880 Speaker 1: ever have as being a professional athlete, and so it's 1622 01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,920 Speaker 1: just looking for that edge all the time and putting 1623 01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:43,160 Speaker 1: in more work. It's kind of you sort of have 1624 01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:47,160 Speaker 1: to be completely selfish and almost sacrifice almost every other 1625 01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:50,200 Speaker 1: aspect of your life in order to become successful in 1626 01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:52,960 Speaker 1: athletics or any kind of sports or you know, being 1627 01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:56,240 Speaker 1: being a professional athlete, Like everything else followed by the 1628 01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:58,680 Speaker 1: wayside in order for you to succeed at what you 1629 01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,559 Speaker 1: want to do in in being being a pro athlete. 1630 01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:05,280 Speaker 1: And so for a long long time, basically everything else 1631 01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,680 Speaker 1: in my life completely suffered. I lived a very selfish 1632 01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,639 Speaker 1: lifestyle because I sort of had to in order to succeed. 1633 01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:15,439 Speaker 1: Um and now it's it's definitely not nearly as much 1634 01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,639 Speaker 1: and still go oriented. I'm still pretty disciplined. I still 1635 01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:20,639 Speaker 1: have a lot of things I want to achieve and everything, 1636 01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:26,320 Speaker 1: but it's not so um grindy, it's not so hardcore 1637 01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:29,439 Speaker 1: and I and there's and and now it's I have 1638 01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:33,200 Speaker 1: much more of a healthy balance um in my life. 1639 01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:35,240 Speaker 1: I really like, the most important thing in my life 1640 01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:38,760 Speaker 1: now is my family, and I know that. So I'll 1641 01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:40,880 Speaker 1: be gone on a surf trip, which for me is 1642 01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,360 Speaker 1: a work trip, you know, for three weeks, and I'll 1643 01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:45,599 Speaker 1: come home and I really want to go go hunting, 1644 01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:46,880 Speaker 1: and I want to jump on a plane and go 1645 01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:50,960 Speaker 1: hunt deer on Valley. But my my number one priority 1646 01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:52,840 Speaker 1: in my life is my family, so I don't. I 1647 01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,000 Speaker 1: don't do that. I come home and try and spend 1648 01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,360 Speaker 1: a bunch time with my family, and then I'll work 1649 01:17:57,439 --> 01:17:58,920 Speaker 1: up some time and when I do get a moment, 1650 01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,639 Speaker 1: I'll try and be bohuding. But but first I gotta 1651 01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,160 Speaker 1: I gotta make sure that's my family, because they are 1652 01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:07,000 Speaker 1: number one, and so I'm able to you know, they 1653 01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,679 Speaker 1: are my ultimate priority right now. And I'm very lucky 1654 01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,160 Speaker 1: to be in a situation of my life now where 1655 01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:14,120 Speaker 1: I can kind of put them first and I can 1656 01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:17,479 Speaker 1: still keep my job and I can still do my 1657 01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,320 Speaker 1: job really well. And but yeah, it's a much much 1658 01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:23,280 Speaker 1: healthier balance. And then with bow hunting also, like bow 1659 01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:26,400 Speaker 1: hunting is is a really really important part of my life. 1660 01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:28,919 Speaker 1: It keeps me sane and it's something that I'm super 1661 01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:30,960 Speaker 1: passionate about and I love doing. But I don't do 1662 01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:34,040 Speaker 1: it too much. I probably I don't. I don't know 1663 01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,000 Speaker 1: how much I hunt. My wife would probably think I 1664 01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:37,600 Speaker 1: hunt a lot, but I don't think I hunt that 1665 01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:41,000 Speaker 1: much at all. That But but I do absolutely love it. 1666 01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:42,960 Speaker 1: But I think I love it as much as I 1667 01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:44,920 Speaker 1: do because I don't get to do it as much 1668 01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:49,599 Speaker 1: as I like that makes sense. I have an issue. 1669 01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:52,280 Speaker 1: I do hunt a lot. I probably hunt. I probably hunt. 1670 01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:57,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe like forty days a year. Yeah, 1671 01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:00,320 Speaker 1: it's quite a bit for most people. I have an 1672 01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:05,960 Speaker 1: issue where I get so focused on some kind of task. 1673 01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:09,080 Speaker 1: Usually it's it's work related, so hunting related or or 1674 01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:12,200 Speaker 1: the work side of what I do. UM. So I'm 1675 01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,840 Speaker 1: very like task orient, very very goal oriented. I get 1676 01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,280 Speaker 1: like all in and I get tunnel vision. I get 1677 01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:19,439 Speaker 1: so focused on it because I so badly want to 1678 01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:22,200 Speaker 1: achieve whatever goal that is that sometimes I just completely 1679 01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,880 Speaker 1: lose sight of these other parts of my life, like 1680 01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:28,679 Speaker 1: sometimes family stuff. Um. And So I'm trying to get 1681 01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:31,800 Speaker 1: better at like being able to become aware when I'm 1682 01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:34,000 Speaker 1: doing that, like having some kind of self awareness where 1683 01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,559 Speaker 1: I can say, WHOA, you're going too far. You need 1684 01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:39,479 Speaker 1: to take a step back and remember everything else is 1685 01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,920 Speaker 1: going on. Um. Maybe maybe given some of the stuff 1686 01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:44,880 Speaker 1: you said, maybe that's something you've dealt with at times. 1687 01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:46,679 Speaker 1: Do you have a way that you're able to kind 1688 01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,360 Speaker 1: of pull yourself out of that when you realize you're 1689 01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:51,479 Speaker 1: going too hard with work or something and you can 1690 01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:53,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, do you have any ways that have 1691 01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,559 Speaker 1: helped you to just kind of have that self awareness? Yeah, 1692 01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:59,160 Speaker 1: I mean every you know, I I just I just 1693 01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:01,639 Speaker 1: try to keep a balance. It's really but like every 1694 01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,120 Speaker 1: now and then, you know, things come up with work 1695 01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:06,559 Speaker 1: where I have to do um trips back to back 1696 01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:09,720 Speaker 1: to back to back, um, and there's some certain things 1697 01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:11,760 Speaker 1: that I can't say no to and and I sort 1698 01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,120 Speaker 1: of have to go and and sometimes they build up 1699 01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:16,320 Speaker 1: at the wrong time. So it's really difficult and kind 1700 01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,800 Speaker 1: of hard on my family, like gone a lot, Like 1701 01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:20,360 Speaker 1: you know, in a three month period, I might be 1702 01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:22,639 Speaker 1: gone for like you know, six or seven weeks out 1703 01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:27,280 Speaker 1: of three months, and and so it's it's it can 1704 01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:29,280 Speaker 1: be really hard in my family. But for me, I 1705 01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:30,760 Speaker 1: just go okay, like because you know, as I get 1706 01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:32,760 Speaker 1: back I'm gonna spend tons and tons of times, So 1707 01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:34,840 Speaker 1: we're going to block out time right when I get 1708 01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:37,479 Speaker 1: home to really spend time with my family and do 1709 01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:40,200 Speaker 1: some some really special things. Like I'm I'm spending a 1710 01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:42,360 Speaker 1: ton of time with my son because my son is 1711 01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:44,320 Speaker 1: really into surfing now, so we actually spend a lot 1712 01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:47,280 Speaker 1: of time together because we go on search trips together now. Um. 1713 01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:51,559 Speaker 1: But then I really try to remember to to make 1714 01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:54,320 Speaker 1: my daughter a priority, and so when I get home, 1715 01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:55,720 Speaker 1: I try and spend a ton of time with my 1716 01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:58,640 Speaker 1: daughter and and sort of make sure it's even if 1717 01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:01,680 Speaker 1: it's not equal. I she knows that it's not all 1718 01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:04,519 Speaker 1: about my son, and that's a real real priority for 1719 01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,280 Speaker 1: me to make sure that she knows that I'm there 1720 01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:11,439 Speaker 1: for her as well. Yeah, that's awesome, I have I'm 1721 01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:13,200 Speaker 1: just starting to fear all that out. I have a 1722 01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:16,439 Speaker 1: year and a half old son and um, a tack 1723 01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:20,160 Speaker 1: of a learning experience, So I can totally relate to 1724 01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:21,880 Speaker 1: what you're saying, and I can imagine it's just going 1725 01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:25,840 Speaker 1: to become a bigger and bigger thing that I have 1726 01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:27,759 Speaker 1: to be thinking about how to make sure to balance 1727 01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:29,960 Speaker 1: all that. Um, I think that's probably a good place 1728 01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:32,080 Speaker 1: to start because a lot of people do the same. 1729 01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:35,160 Speaker 1: It's the same thing, and that's you know, how do 1730 01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:37,880 Speaker 1: you balance your passion for the outdoors or hunting or 1731 01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:39,559 Speaker 1: your job or whatever. How do you balance that with 1732 01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:42,000 Speaker 1: your with your family and stuff. So maybe to wrap 1733 01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:45,200 Speaker 1: it up, do you have one, you know, final thing 1734 01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:48,040 Speaker 1: that you've learned about, whether it be this issue of 1735 01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:50,320 Speaker 1: balance or maybe even I know I've I've seen you 1736 01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:52,599 Speaker 1: taking your son and out hunting with you and stuff. 1737 01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:55,439 Speaker 1: Anything you've learned as far as introducing a child to 1738 01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:58,360 Speaker 1: the outdoors and these kinds of things. Um, maybe maybe 1739 01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:00,600 Speaker 1: leave us with an idea like that. I'm sorry, what 1740 01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:02,920 Speaker 1: was questioning again? I'm just as curious if you had 1741 01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,599 Speaker 1: any anything you've kind of learned about introducing your son 1742 01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:09,800 Speaker 1: to the outdoors and hunting and what that's been like. Yeah, 1743 01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:12,280 Speaker 1: I think it's I think the I think the biggest 1744 01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:15,120 Speaker 1: lesson for me with with introducing my my kids to 1745 01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:20,080 Speaker 1: archery and belonging is is just like reinstilling what it's 1746 01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:23,599 Speaker 1: really all about, you know, Like how you mentioned at 1747 01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:27,480 Speaker 1: the start about you know, like newer hunters that that's 1748 01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:30,400 Speaker 1: you know, like look at Instagram. Ye all his massive 1749 01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:32,800 Speaker 1: blocks and the massive bulls, and they end up like 1750 01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:36,840 Speaker 1: holding out for some big trophy, um, but they're really 1751 01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:40,320 Speaker 1: missing out on tons of experiences. And I feel like 1752 01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:42,720 Speaker 1: when you have kids, you know, and you know, if 1753 01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:44,800 Speaker 1: you like, for me, I introduced my son to bull hunting, 1754 01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:48,840 Speaker 1: and it's when when you're hunting with your son, you know, 1755 01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:53,200 Speaker 1: we're hunting hogs or goats or keep or whatever it is, 1756 01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:55,720 Speaker 1: and it's like, it's not about the antlers. It's not 1757 01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:58,360 Speaker 1: about what the biggest one is. It's about those experiences 1758 01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:01,280 Speaker 1: with your kids there. It's you know, and that those 1759 01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:04,080 Speaker 1: experiences with your family, or that those experiences with their friends, 1760 01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:07,760 Speaker 1: and it's all about going on those adventures and experiences 1761 01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:10,960 Speaker 1: of of life. You know, like the antlers don't matter. 1762 01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:14,479 Speaker 1: They're they're great, they're fun and everything, it's really fun, 1763 01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:18,000 Speaker 1: but they really it's really it's really like for me, 1764 01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:21,280 Speaker 1: it's like a low priority situation. And and I think 1765 01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:24,320 Speaker 1: introducing my son to both hunting really sort of instilled 1766 01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:27,639 Speaker 1: why I was hunting, because I was starting to hunt 1767 01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,679 Speaker 1: with people that are real high level hunters and and 1768 01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,080 Speaker 1: even like people who get paid to go hunting and 1769 01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:34,960 Speaker 1: that's kind of their job and so they have to 1770 01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:37,280 Speaker 1: kill big stuff all the time. Every single hunt they 1771 01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:39,559 Speaker 1: go and have to be a big trophy hunt, and 1772 01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:41,880 Speaker 1: I don't really want to do that. I want to 1773 01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:46,240 Speaker 1: sort of get away from having that perspective. I just 1774 01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:50,400 Speaker 1: want to have hunts that that are really satisfying and challenging, 1775 01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:52,439 Speaker 1: and at the end of the year, like look back 1776 01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:54,000 Speaker 1: on the hunt I did that year and les go, well, 1777 01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:56,880 Speaker 1: I really needs an incredible hunts with incredible people and 1778 01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:01,240 Speaker 1: things I canna remember forever. Yeahome, I think you're right. 1779 01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:03,600 Speaker 1: Kids are a really great way of of kind of 1780 01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:06,479 Speaker 1: like recentering you with those sorts of things, just kind 1781 01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:09,120 Speaker 1: of opening your eyes to the fun of stuff again 1782 01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:12,360 Speaker 1: because everything is so exciting and new to them. And 1783 01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:15,479 Speaker 1: I've I've already found that with my son. Just it's 1784 01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,439 Speaker 1: it's cool to relive and to just find the joy 1785 01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:20,320 Speaker 1: and the little things again. And I think they help 1786 01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:24,640 Speaker 1: us do that. So it's pretty cool. Yeah, well this 1787 01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:29,360 Speaker 1: is awesome. I I actually, um sorry. One last thing 1788 01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:32,320 Speaker 1: I think it's really cool that I want to share 1789 01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:35,000 Speaker 1: the readers is a friend of mine who's a bow hunter. 1790 01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:39,040 Speaker 1: He I got this idea from him, but basically every year, 1791 01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:41,240 Speaker 1: at the end of the year, I go through all 1792 01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:43,280 Speaker 1: my hunts and all the photographs that I took on 1793 01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:45,680 Speaker 1: all my hunts. I put them all together and one 1794 01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:49,959 Speaker 1: of those like really cool copy tables picture books, um, 1795 01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:53,479 Speaker 1: like from Apple or shutter Flyer or whatever, and they're 1796 01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:55,479 Speaker 1: really cool, and so I have one for like the 1797 01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:59,920 Speaker 1: last like like years of my hunting. Wife Like each year, 1798 01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,280 Speaker 1: I have a photo book. And it's a really really 1799 01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:04,320 Speaker 1: neat way to like remember all the memories, whether you're 1800 01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:07,240 Speaker 1: hunting with your son or your father or your really 1801 01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:10,559 Speaker 1: good buddies or by yourself, just like documenting those hunts 1802 01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:13,120 Speaker 1: and putting all those hunts in a picture books for 1803 01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:16,160 Speaker 1: a year. Um, it's a really really neat way to 1804 01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:19,240 Speaker 1: to you know, stay motivated to go hunting and stay 1805 01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:21,719 Speaker 1: motivated to shoot your boat. Just having in your office 1806 01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:23,400 Speaker 1: sitting there and just pick it up some time to time, 1807 01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:24,960 Speaker 1: or if your body has come over to have a 1808 01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:27,000 Speaker 1: couple of beers, they can have a look what the 1809 01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:29,320 Speaker 1: hunts that they're wrong with you or or if you 1810 01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:31,800 Speaker 1: went hunted out them, they can see what it's all about. 1811 01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:35,080 Speaker 1: That just hearing the stories, and um, I think that's 1812 01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:37,439 Speaker 1: a really really neat way to remember that, you know, 1813 01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:40,640 Speaker 1: what's really important about hunting and just the adventure and 1814 01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:43,240 Speaker 1: the stories and and all the all the really neat 1815 01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:45,599 Speaker 1: places that we get to go to and people will 1816 01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:48,360 Speaker 1: get to hunt with. Yeah, so true, that's a great idea. 1817 01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:50,720 Speaker 1: And it really it's funny these days with you know, 1818 01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:52,880 Speaker 1: we take sony pictures because we've got these cameras in 1819 01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:56,040 Speaker 1: our phones now, so I've got probably more pictures than ever, 1820 01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:58,080 Speaker 1: but I never look at them because it's you know, 1821 01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:00,880 Speaker 1: it's it's not I don't know, but for whatever reason, 1822 01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:02,960 Speaker 1: I feel like you don't go scrolling through your phone 1823 01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,320 Speaker 1: and looking kind of for fund and all these pictures 1824 01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:07,360 Speaker 1: like you might look at a book under table, you know, 1825 01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:13,599 Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, good idea. Well, Shane, this has been awesome. 1826 01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:17,360 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the chat um really interesting perspective. So 1827 01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:19,759 Speaker 1: thanks for taking the time to do this. No worries. 1828 01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:25,040 Speaker 1: I appreciate being on the on the podcast. Yeah, and 1829 01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:27,760 Speaker 1: if anyone wants to wants to learn more about what 1830 01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:30,280 Speaker 1: you got going on, or you know, is there anywhere 1831 01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:32,360 Speaker 1: they should be following you on social media or anything? 1832 01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:33,840 Speaker 1: I know you you've done a lot of films and 1833 01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:36,720 Speaker 1: things like that. You know, it's a great documentary out there, Um, 1834 01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:40,760 Speaker 1: anything that you'd suggest people check out. Um yeah, on 1835 01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:44,760 Speaker 1: HBO right now. Uh sorry, on HBO right now. We 1836 01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:50,240 Speaker 1: have the Momentum Generation documentary as a documentary about um, 1837 01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:53,120 Speaker 1: my friends and I growing up in surfing and competing 1838 01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:56,519 Speaker 1: and all the crazy things that's happened during our lives. 1839 01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:58,960 Speaker 1: And it's a really good documentary. Actually just want the 1840 01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:04,840 Speaker 1: an Emmy for the Best Sports Documentary of the Year. 1841 01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:07,599 Speaker 1: And um, so it was a great film and really 1842 01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:11,040 Speaker 1: I didn't have anything with producing it, but um it's 1843 01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:13,080 Speaker 1: a really cool film. If anybody wants to watch it, 1844 01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:15,599 Speaker 1: it taps out there. You follow me. I'm not really 1845 01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:19,920 Speaker 1: really active on a lot of social media. I do Instagram, Um, 1846 01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:22,479 Speaker 1: Shane Dorian it's you can just search me, you know 1847 01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:26,080 Speaker 1: it will come up, but not follow me. And that's 1848 01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:30,200 Speaker 1: it really awesome. Well, we appreciate Shane and good luck 1849 01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:32,360 Speaker 1: is coming out in season. Thanks so much. You do 1850 01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:36,000 Speaker 1: all right, And that is a rap. I hope you 1851 01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:39,080 Speaker 1: guys enjoyed this one. In addition to that documentary we 1852 01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:41,840 Speaker 1: just mentioned, if you want to see more from Shane yet, 1853 01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:44,240 Speaker 1: he has a really cool short film out on YouTube 1854 01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:46,080 Speaker 1: that features him and you get see a little bit 1855 01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,599 Speaker 1: of his hunting background and how he's sharing that with 1856 01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,080 Speaker 1: his son, which is really cool. Um there's actually some 1857 01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:54,200 Speaker 1: other great videos on YouTube to showing him surfing. Some 1858 01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:56,640 Speaker 1: of these just massive waves give you a little bit 1859 01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:59,439 Speaker 1: insight into what he's doing and how intense that is. 1860 01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,880 Speaker 1: So check all that stuff out, and I hope you 1861 01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,599 Speaker 1: are able to take some of these ideas, especially stuff 1862 01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,960 Speaker 1: around discipline or putting yourself in the comfortable situations that 1863 01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:11,679 Speaker 1: really stood out to me as things I could take 1864 01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:14,400 Speaker 1: right into my own life to become a better hunter. 1865 01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:17,639 Speaker 1: And I love those kinds of opportunities to learn. So 1866 01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:20,000 Speaker 1: I hope you took as much from this as I did. 1867 01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:23,160 Speaker 1: And until next time, good luck out in the woods, 1868 01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,400 Speaker 1: good luck with your scouting, good luck hanging stands or 1869 01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:28,479 Speaker 1: planning food plots or training, whatever might be. And until 1870 01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:31,559 Speaker 1: next time, stay wired to hunt.