Speaker 1: This is a Wells Cast with Wells, Adams and I
Speaker 1: Heart Radio Podcast Hills Cast addition of the Wells Cast,
Speaker 1: which means we're be talking everything that's happening on The
Speaker 1: Hills New Beginnings, just daring now on a Wednesday nights
Speaker 1: and tv um Listen. You guys know how much I
Speaker 1: love Justin Bobby. He's the most normal dude on the
Speaker 1: freaking show. I'm gonna go ahead and say it, all right,
Speaker 1: He's just the most even keeled, rational dude. Does he
Speaker 1: make some questionable fashion choices, maybe, but other than that, man,
Speaker 1: he is just steady Eddie. When it comes to the show.
Speaker 1: It's almost like he shouldn't be on the show, like
Speaker 1: he's too normal for the show, which is why I'm
Speaker 1: so excited to have him on this show today to
Speaker 1: break down episode two of The Hills New Beginnings. I
Speaker 1: will say I was a little skeptical as to how
Speaker 1: well season two was the dudes, because I didn't love
Speaker 1: season one. But we're off to a roar and start. Dude.
Speaker 1: Episode one was fantastic. Second one pretty good. Yeah, Adrina
Speaker 1: going on a second date with freaking Rod Stewart's son.
Speaker 1: Who where did this guy come? From we meet Brodie's
Speaker 1: new girlfriend. I mean, like, where did this girl come from?
Speaker 1: We go to Brandon's house and we realize the man
Speaker 1: can make a mean shark cuterie board. This guy's all
Speaker 1: about picnic life. By the way, Whitney comes back into
Speaker 1: the fold. Where has she been? Wallers get super personal
Speaker 1: with having baby number two. We realized that Brodie's mom
Speaker 1: is a national treasure and she must be preserved at
Speaker 1: all costs. We learned nothing new about Heidi because we
Speaker 1: all knew that she couldn't cook. And we realized that
Speaker 1: of all the people who have stopped drinking or gone
Speaker 1: to rehab on this show, the two that probably need
Speaker 1: it most are still very much drinking in Heidi and Spencer.
Speaker 1: There is so much to break down in this episode,
Speaker 1: and I'm so excited. Had the voice of reason, the
Speaker 1: normal dude, who's gonna teach me how to apply some
Speaker 1: guy ladder today? Justin Bobby, and don't forget at the
Speaker 1: end of the interview, we're gonna have Chloe from CS
Speaker 1: two Key come on would do a quick rundown with
Speaker 1: her about last night's episode as well. It's all coming
Speaker 1: up right here on the Hills cast. This is when
Speaker 1: you do not want to miss Beeby. Alright, we're back
Speaker 1: Hills Cast The Hills New Beginnings, airing Wednesday night, nine
Speaker 1: Eastern on MTV. I'm so excited because the last season
Speaker 1: we didn't get to have this guest on, and this
Speaker 1: is someone who I have said from the beginning, I
Speaker 1: feel like is the most normal, the voice of reason
Speaker 1: in a world full of crazys. Justin Bobby on the
Speaker 1: show How Are You Man? Was very sweet of you.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate that. Do you believe that because
Speaker 1: like when I was on reality shows, I was always
Speaker 1: known as the voice of reason, and I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if I if I think that that was true. But
Speaker 1: as I watched it back, I was like, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: things that I said were the most normal things. I
Speaker 1: never did anything crazy. And it seems like, at least
Speaker 1: this season, and for the most part a lot of
Speaker 1: last season, you are coming across as the most well
Speaker 1: balanced human on the Hills. Do you feel that way? Um?
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. I don't know. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: hard for me to accept something like that, and then
Speaker 1: I just look, I think I look at things that
Speaker 1: are a different a little bit of a different lens
Speaker 1: and I don't like drink on the show or whatnot.
Speaker 1: I kind of treat it like a business, so I
Speaker 1: kind of think I'd get to see things a little
Speaker 1: bit more clearly than some of the castmates. Um, and
Speaker 1: then I'm pretty much I'm just one, just pretty much.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm pretty What you see is what you get,
Speaker 1: So I got nothing to hide. Something that works for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think it's a smart way to go about it. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna be on TV, so you don't
Speaker 1: want to let get you know, cocked on a bottle
Speaker 1: of BlackBerry brandy like Spencer and Heidi do every episode before.
Speaker 1: Before we get into all of that, I mean, I
Speaker 1: gotta ask, like the hard hitting questions, how are things
Speaker 1: between you and Audrina? Right? Very good? Really good? Actually? Um.
Speaker 1: We started to reconnect towards the end of the season,
Speaker 1: which was pretty nice because last season I came off tour,
Speaker 1: she was dealing with the divorce and you know, her
Speaker 1: whole life that was probably flipped upside down more than
Speaker 1: we'll ever know. But it's kind of like the dust settled.
Speaker 1: And I've been home since COVID, so I haven't been
Speaker 1: able to fleet like I do. And uh yeah, it's
Speaker 1: been there's like a little rekindle and it's it's like
Speaker 1: it's like friendship, but it's very comfortable. So this is
Speaker 1: the way that I perceive your guys. Relationship we have
Speaker 1: in our lives. High school sweethearts that like well forever,
Speaker 1: like whole old and important place in your life because
Speaker 1: they were there during very formative years. But as you've
Speaker 1: like grown and matured and advanced in your life, you
Speaker 1: realize that person is special because of that time in
Speaker 1: your life, but can never be like the thing that
Speaker 1: they were then to you now because you are now
Speaker 1: completely different people. Is that how you perceive your relationship
Speaker 1: with her now? You would think so, But Adriana had
Speaker 1: I mean, we all were very very young, so I
Speaker 1: would see a pretty young side to her that would
Speaker 1: almost keep me away at times because there's certain scenarios
Speaker 1: that would happen. I just know she would handle it
Speaker 1: differently than as today. It feels like what she went
Speaker 1: through with the divorce, and um, I don't want to
Speaker 1: keep bringing that up, it's not my business, but what
Speaker 1: she went through matured her immensely and seeing her now
Speaker 1: as I see her in a different light as before.
Speaker 1: He was more playful and more like hat and mousey
Speaker 1: and um, you know, we could hang out and then
Speaker 1: let it go. But the fact that she's been through it,
Speaker 1: I see, I see a full woman now, and I
Speaker 1: like I like seeing her like that. It's like she came,
Speaker 1: she came into her own and that's attractive. That's attractive
Speaker 1: for an email to see, like a woman that's kind
Speaker 1: of done her thing, been through it a little bit
Speaker 1: and knows what she wants and there's no more like
Speaker 1: immaturity about it. So I think that's different than what
Speaker 1: normal people would think when it comes to this kind
Speaker 1: of subplot storyline between her and Brody and this kiss
Speaker 1: or whatever it was, you know during the poker game
Speaker 1: seen last night, it seems like you're really really fine
Speaker 1: with it and cool with it. Is that really how
Speaker 1: you felt? Or is it weird? It's not weird. I
Speaker 1: think it's been enough time, right, Like I mean, you go,
Speaker 1: I don't know how long it's been since Adriene and
Speaker 1: I hung out, eight years, six years, don't even know,
Speaker 1: But at that point it's like there's I can't get
Speaker 1: mad at any of that. There's no way, I think
Speaker 1: it's kind of funny, but I mean she always kind
Speaker 1: of had a keen eye for Brody. You know, It's
Speaker 1: like they always you know they you know, there's that
Speaker 1: little thing where they like I want to make out
Speaker 1: of them, you know, that kind of feel. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, it didn't bother me. I mean, if it
Speaker 1: it makes her happy. I don't think he's ready for
Speaker 1: a commitment. She might be, but I didn't didn't bother
Speaker 1: me too much. Maybe it didn't bother me too much
Speaker 1: that I don't think it will go anywhere. Yeah, fair enough. Actually,
Speaker 1: in the first episode, you talk about kind of like
Speaker 1: your sojourn out of the country during COVID. You go
Speaker 1: to Mexico, but it's kind of vague as to like
Speaker 1: what you're doing in Mexico. Were you just kind of
Speaker 1: escaping or like getting away from it all? Like what
Speaker 1: was happening in Mexico while pandemic was raging on here
Speaker 1: in America. Well, well, that ship hit. We had we
Speaker 1: knew an Indonesian consulate at the consulate in downtown l A.
Speaker 1: And we were gonna we tried to leave to get
Speaker 1: to Indonesia right when it hit, and we got our
Speaker 1: stamps of approval to leave, and then the day before
Speaker 1: we left, they shut down international travel over there. So
Speaker 1: our whole plan was just to get to Indonesia and
Speaker 1: ride this thing out over there where was safe. And
Speaker 1: we're on the beach and we're just surfing our brains out.
Speaker 1: So that got cut short. And then one of my
Speaker 1: best friends, Billy, is like a complete journeyman, and he
Speaker 1: was like, Mexico. We can't do there in Mexico, and
Speaker 1: I was like, let's go. So he had like the
Speaker 1: sprinter van and the Mercedes sprinter van with everything decked out,
Speaker 1: and we just split. We got through the border before
Speaker 1: they shut that border down, and we just went as
Speaker 1: far south as we could. We served and camped out
Speaker 1: a read books, played music, just and we just tapped
Speaker 1: in here and there to see what was going on
Speaker 1: in the real world and then be like, no, it's
Speaker 1: not time to come back yet. So we did that
Speaker 1: and it was actually perfect. I mean, we weren't hurting anybody.
Speaker 1: We could have been hurt, so um worked out. It
Speaker 1: worked out perfect. And for me, if I if I
Speaker 1: was stuck here, I would have lost my damn mine,
Speaker 1: I mean, not being able to do anything. I love
Speaker 1: being home and doing my own thing. And I think
Speaker 1: being by yourself is very very mature, but you want
Speaker 1: to do it on your own terms, right, So where
Speaker 1: were you in Mexicans? Were the main places you're surfing?
Speaker 1: It's like Scorpion Bay, Super down South one hours driving
Speaker 1: is I mean, it was Baja. We'd stop, we camp,
Speaker 1: we'd eat, and it was like it felt like COVID
Speaker 1: haven't hit there yet. They were still figuring out, like
Speaker 1: they didn't even know what that was. They knew, but
Speaker 1: it was so separated that it didn't even matter. So
Speaker 1: we still felt the vibe of like it wasn't as severe.
Speaker 1: But then we heard the numbers what was going on here?
Speaker 1: And like, oh my god, were you going to stay there?
Speaker 1: If not for the show? Coming back? Like did they
Speaker 1: hit you up and be like hey, no more surfing,
Speaker 1: you gotta drive back up? Then no, I came back.
Speaker 1: I came back before that. It was it was time
Speaker 1: like I had I don't want I wanted to come
Speaker 1: back and check on you know, family, me and friends
Speaker 1: and kind of just poked my head and see what's
Speaker 1: going on. I did my time down there. I left
Speaker 1: like the the grunt of it happened up here and
Speaker 1: then m and I just came back. I had a
Speaker 1: band and everything, Like, They're like, what did you do?
Speaker 1: I was like, I split, you, guys, I split. Going
Speaker 1: back to the show, who do you consider as like
Speaker 1: your closest friend from the cast this season? To be honest,
Speaker 1: it was Jason. Um, you haven't seen it yet, but
Speaker 1: me and him develop a real kinship. We grew up
Speaker 1: literally twenty minutes from each other in completely different worlds.
Speaker 1: I was a little bit more you know, from the hood.
Speaker 1: He wasn't, but we had a similar connection. So this
Speaker 1: season you'll see us like the two oddities meet and
Speaker 1: have a very similar vibe. Story in different ways though,
Speaker 1: so you'll see that. So I'll say Jason, we had
Speaker 1: him on the show last week and he said the
Speaker 1: exact same thing to that answer for you, which makes
Speaker 1: me happy. See, you're my two favorite guys on the show.
Speaker 1: It seems like you're the most real and relatable on
Speaker 1: the show. I think that you're like the most yourselves,
Speaker 1: whereas I think for other people on the show. And
Speaker 1: this is even a question, is it just a statement
Speaker 1: as someone who's watching it, it just seems like a
Speaker 1: little put on and when I come across that in
Speaker 1: reality shows, it just comes across as the inauthentic, and
Speaker 1: then I'm like, next scene, let's get out of here.
Speaker 1: But for you guys, it does seem it does seem
Speaker 1: pretty authentic. Brandon's like coming out of the woodwork. Last season,
Speaker 1: I was like, who is this kid? And then this
Speaker 1: season I'm like, oh, I actually I believe all the
Speaker 1: things he's saying. He seems like a sweet kid. He
Speaker 1: seems like his heart's in the right place, and I like,
Speaker 1: I like his storyline as well. I agree with you there.
Speaker 1: There's definitely some cast members that they don't gotta figured out,
Speaker 1: and it's getting a little it's a little scary because
Speaker 1: time is ticking and you wonder if they ever will
Speaker 1: get it. But that's not for me. That's not my journey.
Speaker 1: It's just, you know, I like them as friends and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, So let him write it out the
Speaker 1: way they will. But yeah, I know who's true and
Speaker 1: it's not, so I think the audience says as well,
Speaker 1: all right, let's get into the episode. Before we started recording,
Speaker 1: I asked if you had watched it. You had you
Speaker 1: said you hadn't watched it. So I'm just gonna kind
Speaker 1: of like recap this for you and you can just
Speaker 1: kind of give me your thoughts on it all. I mean,
Speaker 1: the first scene, Heidi and Spencer have like this double
Speaker 1: date with Audrina and Rod Stewart's son. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you watched the first episode, but Sean and Adrina
Speaker 1: have this day and it's the most awkward because you
Speaker 1: can tell he's just sweating and he's just so nervous
Speaker 1: and he's shaken like a leef in a hurricane. And
Speaker 1: then I feel like in this episode he's not as nervous,
Speaker 1: but he's he's so sunburned. Dude, where were you right
Speaker 1: before this happened? Put on some sunscreen? You're not ready
Speaker 1: for that. I guess my question for you is, as
Speaker 1: someone who was with Audrina, are you buying any of this?
Speaker 1: Are you happy for? Is this just weird? Is it forced?
Speaker 1: You know? What's really funny about that is I got
Speaker 1: to meet Sean right off the bat, and me and
Speaker 1: him hit it off, I think more than any castmate
Speaker 1: we've We've actually we talked fairly often. Um, I've gone
Speaker 1: up to his house now, like we became a pretty
Speaker 1: tight due for a second, and the guy is aces.
Speaker 1: The guy is like, you know, he genuinely, he genuinely
Speaker 1: liked her for who she was. And for some reason,
Speaker 1: Audrina just doesn't like somebody who's genuinely into them. I
Speaker 1: guess I don't know what it is. It was like
Speaker 1: it was kind of mind boggling because he was quirky,
Speaker 1: it was cool, there was no like you, no backhanded agenda.
Speaker 1: He like, you know, and he cared about her and
Speaker 1: he was trying to be funny, like he just genuinely
Speaker 1: tried to make her feel like the woman that she is.
Speaker 1: And I've even talked to him, even off camera. He
Speaker 1: was just he's just he's a straight shooter with her.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of funny to see that. She was
Speaker 1: like thanks, but no thanks, and it's like, this is
Speaker 1: what you've been crying for for years, is to have
Speaker 1: something like this, and you kind of kind of have
Speaker 1: it right on the silver platter in here's like, no thanks,
Speaker 1: I'll go to Brody route. So I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't get it. I mean I get it,
Speaker 1: I know exactly what she's doing, but I just I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's too bad, because he is a solid guy, and
Speaker 1: I don't know what they showed, but he's um. He's
Speaker 1: very funny, and he's very intelligent, and he's very giving,
Speaker 1: and he's a he's a he's a pick up the phone,
Speaker 1: the first ring type of guy, and you don't get
Speaker 1: that often, especially with his background and and you know,
Speaker 1: his family and stuff. For him to be as down
Speaker 1: the earth as he is, I commend the guy, so
Speaker 1: I have nothing bad to say about him. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm bummed out for this guy's at it because Jason
Speaker 1: kind of echoed the same thing last week of being like,
Speaker 1: this guy's funny and cool and chill, and I do
Speaker 1: feel like he's kind of getting the Dufaus at it um,
Speaker 1: So hopefully that like evolves as the show goes on.
Speaker 1: Second scene, we go to Brodie's house and we meet
Speaker 1: Brodie's new girlfriend. We're not sure exactly how old she is.
Speaker 1: I think with the last week counted, I've done ninety
Speaker 1: episodes of Paradise, I've never once been asked to get
Speaker 1: naked into a bub bath. This poor girl Amber, her
Speaker 1: first scene ever is naked in a bubble bath with Brody.
Speaker 1: I guess my question to you is, have they ever
Speaker 1: asked you to be naked in a scene. No, they
Speaker 1: actually haven't. Oh you know what, I think Series one
Speaker 1: back in the day, Um, I think I jumped in.
Speaker 1: I think they jumped in the pool like the banana
Speaker 1: hammock on yeh uh. And I did in my first
Speaker 1: like kiss scene about Drina. I think, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: they asked for that, so I did do that. I
Speaker 1: like it, I think. I mean, you know, sex cells
Speaker 1: for the most parts, So I like the fact that
Speaker 1: you know we're going to that route. We're showing a
Speaker 1: little bit more and it's a little less PG than
Speaker 1: what it's always been, so I mean, I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: I mean she was cute, so and she's from where
Speaker 1: I live, so I was like rad and she looked
Speaker 1: hot on camera. Then let's go. We go to Brandon's house.
Speaker 1: He's got this girlfriend who's total smoke show in Danny,
Speaker 1: but it seems like she's not back with him, which
Speaker 1: is totally understand bowl. You get to meet Danny at
Speaker 1: this poker game. What's your like initial thought on Brandon's girlfriend, young, young,
Speaker 1: young girl. I mean, it's hard in our late thirties,
Speaker 1: and the nineteen year old starts popping around. It's like
Speaker 1: just young. I don't know what she would have to
Speaker 1: say that it would be a significance at that age,
Speaker 1: but it's like, Okay, I think she seems sweet and
Speaker 1: she has a little, you know, tight head on her
Speaker 1: shoulders from what it looked like, but I mean, I
Speaker 1: couldn't really relate after by the next thing after that,
Speaker 1: Audrina goes and hangs out with Whitney, which I don't
Speaker 1: believe Whitney was in the first episode. Do we see
Speaker 1: a lot of her this season or is it kind
Speaker 1: of sparingly? Yeah, it sparingly. I think, um, you know,
Speaker 1: I think she's doing she does the family thing, and
Speaker 1: she's really focused on that. I think whatever else she's
Speaker 1: got in her career, but I don't think. I don't
Speaker 1: think the Hills has been a big part of it lately,
Speaker 1: so I haven't seen her. I haven't seen it much
Speaker 1: this season, but maybe I hear she fills with the girls,
Speaker 1: so I think. My favorite part of the episode is
Speaker 1: when Brody goes and visits his mom, who seems like
Speaker 1: she is the rattish chick on this show. No offense
Speaker 1: to anybody else, but the advice that this woman gives.
Speaker 1: The nuggets of wisdom that come out of her mouth
Speaker 1: are aces. It's absolutely beautiful, is she Because you know
Speaker 1: you grew up with Brody. I'm sure you're around her
Speaker 1: a lot. Is she is dope in with cameras off
Speaker 1: as she is with them on. Yeah, what you see
Speaker 1: is what you get. It's kind of nice and it's
Speaker 1: always very lovely when I see her, and even you know,
Speaker 1: time can go by and it's like, you know, time,
Speaker 1: no time left at all, and she's very loving and
Speaker 1: Brodie is lucky to have you know her as a
Speaker 1: mom for sure. Heidi and Jennifer make a cake. Heidi's
Speaker 1: bad at that, the Shocker, and then then here here
Speaker 1: comes poker night, and I think everyone's just we're just
Speaker 1: driving towards this. You're just driving towards the two trains
Speaker 1: on the tracks coming and just hitting head on. What
Speaker 1: I will say, Brandon makes a mean shark you to
Speaker 1: replay so good on him. I guess the man loves
Speaker 1: like a picnic setup, Like that's just what that is.
Speaker 1: We know that Jason has a drinking and gambling problem.
Speaker 1: Are we surprised that he shows up to gamble? I mean,
Speaker 1: you gotta give some you gotta get, you gotta you
Speaker 1: gotta get, you gotta let her brother live a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean having a poker night with the boys. It's
Speaker 1: not like he's in the casino. Just run him back
Speaker 1: and forth to the A T M. You know, and
Speaker 1: he's not slamming drinks with us, and you know at
Speaker 1: his home life. I'm sure his home life is with
Speaker 1: his with his wife and the kids, and you know,
Speaker 1: whatever's coming forward. I just it's like the guy wants
Speaker 1: to have a night out with the boys and play
Speaker 1: a little poker and let him do it. Jesus, I'll
Speaker 1: do that. I'll do that anyway. So Spencer starts drinking
Speaker 1: because he doesn't want to play poker at poker night,
Speaker 1: which is like, why are you. I don't know why
Speaker 1: you're going to poker night if you don't want to
Speaker 1: play poker. But that confused boy he said something about
Speaker 1: he's got to save his he's got to save his
Speaker 1: funds for his college. And I'm like, dude, you got
Speaker 1: like I don't know if that's fake Gucci then or what,
Speaker 1: but you got like Gucci everything. You can't drop five
Speaker 1: hundred bucks on a pokernut. I'll get it, but he
Speaker 1: must have spent all that money on the like the
Speaker 1: don Julia who's drinking anyways, because it seems like it
Speaker 1: was going down like water. Yeah, I mean Frankie, I
Speaker 1: think you had a good night that night. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: Frankie seems like doesn't kind of go off the rails.
Speaker 1: I guess I said this in the intro. I said
Speaker 1: this in the intro. You know, it doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: you drink a lot on the show. You might drink
Speaker 1: outside of it, but it seems like you are a
Speaker 1: pretty like level headed dude always. And you have Jason
Speaker 1: who's recovering alcoholic, so he's never drinking, Brandon who is
Speaker 1: not drinking because he's I guess, the recovering alcoholic. And
Speaker 1: then you have Brodie, who like has had this epiphany
Speaker 1: this past year and it's just not drinking at all.
Speaker 1: It's like this kind of sad but also weirdly humorous
Speaker 1: thing that's happening. Whereas like the one person that probably
Speaker 1: does need to stop drinking is the one person who
Speaker 1: is drinking the entire time. And is that not is
Speaker 1: that lost upon you guys or you guys all, like, dude,
Speaker 1: what are you doing with Spencer. Yes, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've never known him not to drink, so I don't
Speaker 1: know what not drinking Spencer's like. To be honest, I
Speaker 1: don't know. It is kind of funny, like you know,
Speaker 1: a big chunk of the cast doesn't drink, and I
Speaker 1: think it's because we learned our lesson. I mean, I
Speaker 1: had some too many beers a couple of times, and
Speaker 1: I would see myself on a playback and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: each of us have individual fans, and and if they
Speaker 1: look up to us, I don't want them to see
Speaker 1: me in that light. And you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: we're all selling it in some kind of way, So
Speaker 1: I don't want somebody to look at me and just
Speaker 1: think that I think that thought, like you know, for me,
Speaker 1: it never looked, it was never like it's not it's
Speaker 1: not a very good look. I don't I'm not into it,
Speaker 1: so I don't do it. In the episode, you express
Speaker 1: how it's just like not a cute look. Here's my question,
Speaker 1: as someone who's just watching the show. If it weren't
Speaker 1: for the show, would the majority of you guys be
Speaker 1: friends with Heidie and Spencer? I think know, I mean,
Speaker 1: we're all, we're all literally separated by six degrees seven
Speaker 1: degrees of separation, so it's like, you know, something pops up,
Speaker 1: we all hear about it some kind of way. And
Speaker 1: even though we don't get to maybe see each other
Speaker 1: as much because we all live in different areas and
Speaker 1: life goes on and careers or whatnot, you know, you
Speaker 1: still hear through the grapevine what's going on, and people
Speaker 1: do check in, and when we do see each other again,
Speaker 1: it's like, we got to do this more. And it's
Speaker 1: funny because we're such an eclectic bunch that you know,
Speaker 1: in a room together, like I don't look like I
Speaker 1: hang out and we should see my core group of friends,
Speaker 1: would you know? It would be like a ship show.
Speaker 1: But but for some reason we work, and it's cool
Speaker 1: that it does work, and it's nice to show people
Speaker 1: that although we're so different, we're still very very similar.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I stay in contact as much as I can,
Speaker 1: but I'm pretty nomadic, Like I leave and I just
Speaker 1: tell them, hey, I know you get like Frankie's the most.
Speaker 1: Frankie is the one most that it's like, dude, where
Speaker 1: you go do? Why are you leave all the time.
Speaker 1: I'm like man, you know that just love me. And
Speaker 1: he's like okay, okay, and then now they get it.
Speaker 1: So now they get that. I leave and I come
Speaker 1: back and it's like no time has passed, right. The
Speaker 1: last thing that we kind of see is this Girl's Night,
Speaker 1: where it's you know, it's this funny juxtaposition between what's
Speaker 1: happening at the poker night and what's happening with the
Speaker 1: girls night. Spencer's getting turned up at your guys function. Heid,
Speaker 1: He's getting turned up at the ladies function. Heidi just
Speaker 1: keeps on pouring champagne into people's classes who aren't drinking champagne,
Speaker 1: and they're like, dude, like this was tequila, Like this
Speaker 1: is gonna taste like this now. Like I would just
Speaker 1: be like, dude, stop doing this. They definitely bring it,
Speaker 1: you know, they bring it. They turn it up and
Speaker 1: every you know, all the group, all the group traveling
Speaker 1: we do, they're they're really fun. They have a good
Speaker 1: time with it. Um. I don't know if it kicks
Speaker 1: him in the ast some days or not, but you know,
Speaker 1: they're the first ones to be like you know, they
Speaker 1: love to come in late and show up fashion with
Speaker 1: late and be the first one to cheer and the
Speaker 1: last ones to stay kind of thing. So that's just
Speaker 1: their vibe. Do you like doing this show? If they
Speaker 1: order a season three, are you back in or at
Speaker 1: some point you like, all right, we've done it, We've
Speaker 1: said enough, I need to go. Before I was, I
Speaker 1: was kind of out after series one. I was out
Speaker 1: because I wasn't really believing what I was watching and
Speaker 1: seeing so much. To be honest, I was like, did
Speaker 1: that happen? Did that not happen? And it started off
Speaker 1: like they kicked me off on a on a bad foot,
Speaker 1: like with Audrina from the get go, like I left
Speaker 1: her and stuff like that, and I really didn't. It
Speaker 1: was like the first moments of courtship, and you know,
Speaker 1: you can't be as severely in a relationship like that.
Speaker 1: But it's fun to see what's going on now and
Speaker 1: hearing about what's going on now because it does it
Speaker 1: does seem pretty spot on. So I like that there's
Speaker 1: a bit more realness, and I love like the stuff
Speaker 1: that you don't think they would show. I've been hearing
Speaker 1: their showing, so that's cool. Like for me, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: so it intrigues me more and I like to see
Speaker 1: where the storylines are going, and I'd like to see where,
Speaker 1: you know, what's going on in these on these people's lives,
Speaker 1: because before, I think it was really hard to get
Speaker 1: story out of everybody and you kind of just had
Speaker 1: to make it working with what they got. So it
Speaker 1: was kind of confusing a lot of the times. And
Speaker 1: now it feels like there's a rhythm happening, and I
Speaker 1: think that happened. I think that I think that has
Speaker 1: a lot to a lot to do with Megan. We
Speaker 1: have a new producer May Megan, and and she's from
Speaker 1: the get go, she's just been very real, very upfront,
Speaker 1: very understanding, very open, and we like that. And I
Speaker 1: think you're going to get that because of her, and
Speaker 1: in this season and hopefully the next what happens next
Speaker 1: for you because you just seem like right now, as
Speaker 1: the even keeled gives wisdom to all these idiots running around.
Speaker 1: Do we focusing on your personal life? Is there some
Speaker 1: ladies that come in for you down the road or
Speaker 1: are you just just the justin Bobby Shaman for the
Speaker 1: rest of the season. No. I love women, Um, but
Speaker 1: I'm just not dumb about it. I've been done when
Speaker 1: I was young and I realized at a young age
Speaker 1: that you gotta pay attention when you start to let
Speaker 1: yourself be with somebody for amount of time. But I
Speaker 1: think this season it was more or less me tapping
Speaker 1: into my own self. Not being able to run forever,
Speaker 1: not being able to get up and tour COVID really
Speaker 1: put a change in my head and on what might
Speaker 1: be real. Um, you know, I'm still in my thirties,
Speaker 1: but I'm starting to think of like something a little
Speaker 1: bit more mature and a little bit more serious. So
Speaker 1: maybe in the future. Yeah, there's a season three because
Speaker 1: they're they're shooting what we're kind of doing, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so, I like. I like what they're doing
Speaker 1: with right now. I just brought my father on and
Speaker 1: he's been he's been aces on this thing, and people
Speaker 1: seem to like him, and he gets he gets the
Speaker 1: real out of me, even more real because I came
Speaker 1: from him. So he's just he just is who he is,
Speaker 1: so you see him and then you understand me more.
Speaker 1: So I don't mind showing that as long as it's
Speaker 1: showed in the light that we're doing it in, I'm fine.
Speaker 1: It was what it's when you do the right thing
Speaker 1: and then they show it differently? Is what was getting
Speaker 1: at me? If you don't show what I'm doing, then
Speaker 1: now I don't like you because now you're not real
Speaker 1: And what is it all about? So I feel like
Speaker 1: getting this is is important and it makes me want
Speaker 1: to give more. Um, I got nothing to hide, maybe
Speaker 1: some things, but um it inspires me to be like,
Speaker 1: let's tell Let's tell a real story then and if
Speaker 1: you want to listen and partake, then come along for
Speaker 1: the ride outside the show. You have a band, what's
Speaker 1: going on with that? I mean, obviously it's tough to
Speaker 1: tour right now because of COVID, so like, what what
Speaker 1: is on the horizon for your artistic career? We just
Speaker 1: actually got back. We did a Seattle tour. We went
Speaker 1: all the Seattle and Santa Cruz and we had a
Speaker 1: little short tour studio and then the world's will open
Speaker 1: back up. So we have UM with festivals lined up,
Speaker 1: albums coming out, and so we're kind of back on UM.
Speaker 1: I was in the studio last night until two in
Speaker 1: the morning. It's just it's full rock and roll. And
Speaker 1: then I'm actually currently shooting my first feature. It's called
Speaker 1: The Kindamarra Effect and It just came into my lap
Speaker 1: during the season of The Hills, and I play a
Speaker 1: lead in it. So I've just been really studying for
Speaker 1: that and and I did some acting stuff when I
Speaker 1: was younger, and I just I don't know, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try it out and see how it goes. And
Speaker 1: it's been really fun. It's a it's a really cool
Speaker 1: project with great people, and it's it's nice to get
Speaker 1: out of some of this book, you know what I
Speaker 1: mean that I'm doing with the reality and actually sink
Speaker 1: my teeth into something that's not me because I'm tired
Speaker 1: of being me on the show. Not to speak for
Speaker 1: everyone watching, but I think we enjoy watching you be
Speaker 1: you on the show. Justin Bobby, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for being Thank you on the show, dude. I've been
Speaker 1: looking forward to talking with you and and meeting you.
Speaker 1: You've got a good vibe. This is gonna sound so Hollywood,
Speaker 1: but like a good aura about you. I want to
Speaker 1: know what are the things that like you read or
Speaker 1: you listen to. What is your that you really identify
Speaker 1: with that like makes you you? You know, I really
Speaker 1: I really just try to listen to my gut. I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of people don't like you can listen
Speaker 1: to your head, your heart, but I really try to
Speaker 1: listen to my intuition first and make right decisions. And
Speaker 1: I try to pay attention to think before I speak.
Speaker 1: And you know, if I go into a friendship or relationship, like,
Speaker 1: is it is this beneficial for both of us? Is
Speaker 1: somebody gonna be dragging behind I? You know, like I
Speaker 1: try to make the right decisions before the decisions made.
Speaker 1: So as for reading, I pick up books and then
Speaker 1: you know, I'll put them down. But I do stuff
Speaker 1: that makes me happy. I'm looking at the beach right now,
Speaker 1: and I'll get in that water, and I'll get in
Speaker 1: the studio and I got four Harley's in the garage
Speaker 1: right now, I'm about to think her on And just
Speaker 1: being nomadic for me is my zen and it helps
Speaker 1: me grow better as a person because I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people are staticky and then they suck off
Speaker 1: of you, and especially if you're in a better place
Speaker 1: than them. If you're in a good place, people they
Speaker 1: love to be around it. Don't know how to deal
Speaker 1: with it, try to change it. And I think just
Speaker 1: me doing me is what works best for now when
Speaker 1: it comes to being a nomad. This is something I've
Speaker 1: always wonted. So I've got friends that are I feel like,
Speaker 1: are like you. The question is when you live that
Speaker 1: type of life, are you running away from something or
Speaker 1: running towards something both? Dude. I had a childhood where
Speaker 1: my parents split it three years old and I didn't
Speaker 1: know what like togetherness was, right. I never saw my
Speaker 1: currents kiss, I never some hold hands. I never saw
Speaker 1: Christmas is together like that. So yeah, it's running, but
Speaker 1: at the same time, it's it's developed who I am.
Speaker 1: And I feel like if I was that twenty three
Speaker 1: year old, you know, a wife and kids, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think my fucking soul would just kill itself. That's
Speaker 1: how I oh because I don't know that life. I mean,
Speaker 1: I understand it, and I work every day on trying
Speaker 1: to understand myself a little bit more. I do do
Speaker 1: self help. I'll go to mediums. I like, I pay attention.
Speaker 1: I listened, so that part of me is healed. So
Speaker 1: I can't have that life someday. Um, but I wouldn't
Speaker 1: change it for the world because me coming a little
Speaker 1: bit from the hood and just living what I've lived
Speaker 1: in the ship that I've gone through like it's gonna
Speaker 1: make make me the best father, the best husband, It's
Speaker 1: gonna make me the best friend you ever have, and
Speaker 1: I'm proud to be that. So it doesn't really bother
Speaker 1: me too much. I feel like it's talk to you forever,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna be respectful of your time and let
Speaker 1: you go. Where can everyone follow you to keep up
Speaker 1: with everything that's going on with your life? Man? Can't? Man?
Speaker 1: You honestly can? I turned off right when COVID had,
Speaker 1: I turned off all my social media. I haven't been
Speaker 1: on it at all, so you can't really find me.
Speaker 1: You just gotta watch me on TV, I guess, and
Speaker 1: see me on the show. Come to a show, listen
Speaker 1: to us play, and you know, come see this movie
Speaker 1: the Camera Effect when it comes out. I'm gonna stay mystical. Man.
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like people that did TV
Speaker 1: and played music and stuff, we're so much more admirable
Speaker 1: back in the day when you had to see him
Speaker 1: for what they were, not what their life was about.
Speaker 1: It keeps this, you know, it keeps a star bright
Speaker 1: Elvis and you couldn't see him you had you here,
Speaker 1: had to hear that he was playing on the radio.
Speaker 1: You had to hear him on the radio that he
Speaker 1: was going to be playing somewhere, and people drive hundreds
Speaker 1: of miles to go see that. That figure. I mean,
Speaker 1: if Elvis had social media the day, it wouldn't be anything,
Speaker 1: so trying to go vintage with it. You can catch
Speaker 1: Justin Bobby of course in the Hills New Beginnings Wednesday,
Speaker 1: nine Eastern MTV, and then obviously go listen to his music,
Speaker 1: go see him play live. Crime Effects coming out maybe
Speaker 1: sooner maybe sooner. Yeah, it's getting the cans and everything.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a new good thing. Dude. Hey man,
Speaker 1: nice talking with you, brother, Keep doing you man, Thank
Speaker 1: you God bless Let it all right. Justin Bobby was
Speaker 1: exactly like Justin Bobby is on TV, which is awesome.
Speaker 1: He's like my friend Dean Unglerts. He's this guy that
Speaker 1: continues like travel around and squeeze every last drop out
Speaker 1: of this lemon, which is life. And I am so
Speaker 1: jealous that there are people like that. I live that way,
Speaker 1: and there's just no way I could do it because
Speaker 1: I would absolutely lose my mind because I'd be like, well,
Speaker 1: what about the dogs and taxes and all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. But I just love talking people like that
Speaker 1: because I just can't be them and I wish I could. Alright,
Speaker 1: quick break, when we come back, we are going to
Speaker 1: have Chloe from CIS t Key on. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about well her new beginnings because apparently she's changing everything around.
Speaker 1: We'll get into it. Stick around listening to the Hills Cast,
Speaker 1: Slash Wales Cast. Welcome back to the Wells Cast, Slash
Speaker 1: Hills Cast, Slash. I guess we can now call it
Speaker 1: like the CIS the Key Cast because the past two
Speaker 1: episodes we've had book ending our Hills talk is uh
Speaker 1: Stars from CST Key, which actually airs right before the Hills,
Speaker 1: So I guess it makes total sense. Today on the
Speaker 1: show is a lady that is completely I guess, transforming
Speaker 1: her life right before eyes. Chloe, how are you good?
Speaker 1: How are you doing? I'm doing good. Listen, You're doing
Speaker 1: this whole like I'm changing who I am. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be the better version of myself, which is something that
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people can relate to, you know,
Speaker 1: especially when out of college and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm an adult now I need to you know,
Speaker 1: like put away childish things. It's something that everyone can
Speaker 1: relate to, but it seems to be that on the show,
Speaker 1: no one believes that this is a real thing for you.
Speaker 1: How are you internalizing that? Well, at first, I was
Speaker 1: very frustrated that they weren't, you know, believing me. Um.
Speaker 1: I did a lot of my transformation and my inner
Speaker 1: work during quarantine, so we were all, you know, separated,
Speaker 1: so they hadn't seen me for a while, and then
Speaker 1: when we started up filming again, it had been like
Speaker 1: seven months, so they were like, wait, you you can't
Speaker 1: all of a sudden be a different person. That doesn't
Speaker 1: make any sense. So it was frustrating because I felt
Speaker 1: like I had to prove myself and I don't feel
Speaker 1: like anyone should have to ever prove themselves to anyone,
Speaker 1: But with my circumstances of how much I did change,
Speaker 1: and I know that I put a lot of my
Speaker 1: cast members through it all the previous three years, so
Speaker 1: I try to be as patient as possible. But in
Speaker 1: the next episode next week, you see I have a
Speaker 1: complete like breakdown and I'm I end up leaving. So
Speaker 1: it gets really rough because I can only place myself
Speaker 1: around them for so long where it's like, Okay, we're
Speaker 1: a month into it and you guys are just going
Speaker 1: to continue to tear me down, Like you should never
Speaker 1: ever try and tear someone down that's trying to better themselves. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And also sometimes environments can create or bring out the
Speaker 1: bad in us. Sometimes you just around toxic people in
Speaker 1: toxicity can be contagious. Do you find that it's a
Speaker 1: little bit of that with you, Yeah, for sure. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I um at the point of when we started filming,
Speaker 1: I hadn't drink in like four months, and I was
Speaker 1: trying to not drink anymore. I've been sober Curious for
Speaker 1: almost a year now and being my friend group and
Speaker 1: on this reality TV show, there's a lot of partying
Speaker 1: and a lot of drinking, and it was almost like
Speaker 1: because I wasn't participating in the drinking and all of that,
Speaker 1: it was almost like they wanted to come for me
Speaker 1: even more. I had somebody even spiked my drink at
Speaker 1: one point when I was in another room, like it
Speaker 1: it was really, really, really toxic. I had to just
Speaker 1: walk away from it because it got really bad. Did
Speaker 1: you say sober curious and is that a thing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is the thing. I think so so it's sober curious,
Speaker 1: like sometimes you experiment with alcohol on occasion, but normally
Speaker 1: you don't like this work. Okay, So I went from
Speaker 1: someone who drank probably five times a week to someone
Speaker 1: that maybe drinks once or twice a month. And when
Speaker 1: I do drink once or twice a month, I'm really
Speaker 1: only try and have one or two because that tends
Speaker 1: that used to be kind of where I would go
Speaker 1: hey wire is I would drink and instead of having
Speaker 1: one or two, I would have five or seven. And
Speaker 1: that's when you're just not in your right mind at all.
Speaker 1: And on top of that, cameras were around. So I'm
Speaker 1: flirting with the idea of being completely sober. But I
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with drinking. I just don't like
Speaker 1: myself when I'm wasted. Yeah, I love that, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to use that in my life. That's hilarious. In
Speaker 1: the beginning of your time on this show and leading
Speaker 1: leading up to now, did you feel like and listen,
Speaker 1: we get it. I've been enough reality TV shows to
Speaker 1: know that being the loudest voice in the room, being
Speaker 1: the most boisterous, for lack of a better term, just
Speaker 1: being the kind of like Bonker's person. Do you think that,
Speaker 1: like you felt the need to bring that person out
Speaker 1: and with the Hulk or Dr Jekylo Mr. Hyde, like
Speaker 1: the conduit to bring that person out was the alcohol. Absolutely? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I definitely think the alcohol and being on the show.
Speaker 1: I think it's a mixture of both of those where
Speaker 1: I was like just always over the top and it
Speaker 1: definitely has bit me in the ass more times than
Speaker 1: I can count, and I know that now, so I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to be better than that. Obviously, you know
Speaker 1: what happens going down the road on the show. Obviously
Speaker 1: you can't say too much you don't want to ruin it.
Speaker 1: But do you feel like you're going to be vindicated
Speaker 1: by the end of the show, Like you think that
Speaker 1: people are going to be like everyone was questioning her
Speaker 1: intentions of this kind of moral one eighty that she's taking,
Speaker 1: but it's actually going to be like validated by the
Speaker 1: end of the season. I do. And there's been people
Speaker 1: that have texted me that are on my cast, the
Speaker 1: couple that we're still kind of questioning it, questioning it
Speaker 1: towards the end, have texted me and been like, hey,
Speaker 1: I feel awful, like I have seen the change. So
Speaker 1: hopefully we even get another season and we can continue
Speaker 1: to see it. But yeah, by the end of the season,
Speaker 1: I feel like I end very strong and I feel
Speaker 1: that everyone will see that my transformation in my journey
Speaker 1: is true. Good. That makes me happy. I won't bug
Speaker 1: you about your life anymore. I'm now going to bug
Speaker 1: you about everyone else's life. Listen, we know how Kelsey
Speaker 1: feels about Juliette and her intentions with Sam, like the money.
Speaker 1: What are your opinions of that relationship. Do you think
Speaker 1: she's gold digging or do you think it's just is
Speaker 1: very convenient that he has a lot of money, but
Speaker 1: also she's in love with him. I don't think she's
Speaker 1: gold digging. I know how much money Juliet makes and
Speaker 1: she definitely doesn't need Sam at all. And now on
Speaker 1: top of it, she's making money with her swimsuit line,
Speaker 1: so she really doesn't need him. I think it's an
Speaker 1: amazing benefit, and I think Sam is one of the
Speaker 1: most generous people when it comes to his money. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure it doesn't hurt that he's a billionaire, but
Speaker 1: I don't think that's why she's with him at all.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of flashback clips of some things that
Speaker 1: you've said about Kelsey in the past. My question, my
Speaker 1: question to you is have you ever really liked her? No, I,
Speaker 1: any anyone on the cast and anyone on the producing
Speaker 1: team would tell you that. From day one, Season one,
Speaker 1: episode one where she where she comes to the bar
Speaker 1: and I hire her, I immediately was like, No. My
Speaker 1: thing about Kelsey is she's the only one that it's
Speaker 1: not from CS TCK. She hasn't known us like the
Speaker 1: rest of us has known each other for ten, fifteen,
Speaker 1: twenty years. And I felt, and I feel this way
Speaker 1: about any new cast member that comes in that they're
Speaker 1: in it for not the right reasons, that they're in
Speaker 1: it for the fame and all of that, and they're
Speaker 1: not really in it to build these true friendships with us.
Speaker 1: Now about Kelsey, now, I think you know, she does
Speaker 1: have true friendships with some people on the cast, but
Speaker 1: I think she's just a little bit more fame hungry
Speaker 1: than some of us, and that to me just I
Speaker 1: don't like that. I don't like that in anyone. I mean,
Speaker 1: you write it this like really kind of thoughtful letter
Speaker 1: apologizing about what you said. YadA YadA, YadA. And she
Speaker 1: rips up and throws it into pool. But how do
Speaker 1: how do you internalize that or like a react to
Speaker 1: something like that. I just think that she was unable
Speaker 1: to understand my language. You know, people can only meet
Speaker 1: you where they meet themselves, and I think it speaks
Speaker 1: a law on where Kelsey feels about herself treating someone
Speaker 1: that's trying to reach out to them and speak their truth,
Speaker 1: and for her to do that just shows that she
Speaker 1: doesn't really feel that way about herself. Because in somebody
Speaker 1: changing to be better, if you don't think that's true,
Speaker 1: that means you don't think you can do it yourself.
Speaker 1: It was honestly, really hurtful. I ended up posting the
Speaker 1: entire letter on social media last night because I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: they only showed like one tenth of how long that
Speaker 1: letter was, so I took pictures of it when I
Speaker 1: wrote the letter back in like November, because I was
Speaker 1: nervous that she was going to try and twist the
Speaker 1: letter around, which they did, and I do tell her
Speaker 1: what I said in the letter, and I asked to
Speaker 1: meet her. I thought it was really really rude, all
Speaker 1: of them. The entire situation was rude, very very smart
Speaker 1: taking those pictures. Thank you. Going forward, what are you
Speaker 1: the most excited about in terms of cisto Key and
Speaker 1: also adversely, what do you not super pumped to have
Speaker 1: happened going forward? Well, I'm excited to see them on
Speaker 1: the island because I wasn't there for the beginning or
Speaker 1: maybe the whole thing. So I'm excited to see it
Speaker 1: because I've heard so much about this huge fight that
Speaker 1: breaks out on the island, and I've heard everyone's stories
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, unfortunately you know, it's on camera, and I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see the truth of what went down. Truly,
Speaker 1: um and what I'm not excited for. I'm also not
Speaker 1: excited to see this fight because I think it's i
Speaker 1: according to what I've been told, it's the worst like
Speaker 1: fight we've had on the show. And I also I'm
Speaker 1: not an advocate for violence, so I'm not necessarily excited
Speaker 1: to see violence. But I just want to know what
Speaker 1: went down because everyone's story is very different. Well, i
Speaker 1: think everyone's right there with you and you can see
Speaker 1: it go down Wednesday, nights eight Eastern on MTV C
Speaker 1: S two. Key, Chloe, thank you so much for being
Speaker 1: on the show. Where can people follow you and find
Speaker 1: out more about you and all that stuff. Um, I
Speaker 1: only have Instagram for social media and it is all
Speaker 1: lower case Chloe Troutman and my business Instagram is Concept
Speaker 1: by Chloe and tell everyone about Concept by Chloe that
Speaker 1: might not know what's going on. Concept by Chloe is
Speaker 1: an online lifestyle blog where I do videos and I
Speaker 1: work together in group zoom meetings or one on one
Speaker 1: where we focus on everything about mental, emotional, physical, and
Speaker 1: spiritual health. That's awesome. Thanks so much for taking the
Speaker 1: time to be on the show today. I do hope
Speaker 1: that everyone realizes that your intentions are true. I think
Speaker 1: everyone can do a little bit better in their life,
Speaker 1: and I think it's a really really admirable thing to
Speaker 1: try to do it on a reality show, because trust me,
Speaker 1: I know from firsthand that's hard. So good on you
Speaker 1: and nice to meet you, and thank you so much
Speaker 1: for taking the time. Thank you. I appreciate your compliments,
Speaker 1: and thank you for having me see you. Dude, have
Speaker 1: a good day. Bye bye. Subscribe to Wells cast on
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