WEBVTT - Binging & Restricting + Off Limit Foods + Breaking the Disordered Eating Cycle

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<v Speaker 1>I won't let my body out me out well everything

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm made don't won't spend my life trying to change.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm learning to love who I am. I get I'm strong,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel free, I know who everybody me. It's beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>and then will always out way if you feel it

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<v Speaker 1>with yours in there, She'll love to the boy there.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say good day and did you and die out?

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Saturday. Outweigh fam Hey Michelle, Hello, how you doing

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<v Speaker 1>doing good? Michelle's a regular here now Here we are

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<v Speaker 1>episode four of Michelle's residency here on Outweigh, and I

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<v Speaker 1>am gonna get into a little bit of my story

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<v Speaker 1>which we've shared before, because we're gonna talk about binging

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<v Speaker 1>and how that might look like you're restricting if you

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<v Speaker 1>deny yourself a binge. And this is just my personal story.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that this will work for everyone, but

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<v Speaker 1>I was a big fan of Brain over Binge, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a book that was written by Catherine Hansen, and

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<v Speaker 1>it came with the workbook. It was a big part

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<v Speaker 1>of my recovery, along with Fork the Noise, which Lisa,

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<v Speaker 1>my co host for Outweigh, whose Michelle is filling in

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<v Speaker 1>for the last four weeks, but I had to implement

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of tools from all over. But because I

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<v Speaker 1>was in such a binge restrict cycle and even purge

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<v Speaker 1>at times. The binging didn't happen all the time, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was something that I had to practice not doing.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's through the brain over binge process. Was when

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<v Speaker 1>I found myself going to the pantry when I knew

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't time for food, like I had had enough food,

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<v Speaker 1>like it was good, I had to go to the

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<v Speaker 1>pantry and literally just walk away. And I had to

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<v Speaker 1>walk away from it hundreds of times, probably loably. And

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<v Speaker 1>the point was to build new neural pathways of like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't need food right now. But this is not restriction.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not restricting myself. I can have this food. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not hungry right now. I don't need this food. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>walking away. So it was this constant like back and forth.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there were some days where I probably walked

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<v Speaker 1>to the pantry so many times and I would just

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<v Speaker 1>turn around. But that was part of the process that

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<v Speaker 1>worked for me. Now Michelle, being a registered dietitian and

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<v Speaker 1>having clients that come to you say I was your client,

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<v Speaker 1>and I came in and I'm like, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what it is, but I go to my pantry and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm eating like fifty times, and I'm going and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just constantly grabbing for things. It might just be that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to the pantry and eating too much, but

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<v Speaker 1>then that ultimately for me and my personal experience, would

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<v Speaker 1>end up in a binge because I'd be like, look

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<v Speaker 1>at what I've already eaten, So I'm just gonna sit

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<v Speaker 1>here and eat, and I would get into this zone.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost like I checked out and like I was

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<v Speaker 1>just going through the motions of eating. And so that

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<v Speaker 1>was a tool that I used to rewire my brain.

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<v Speaker 1>What is something that you would have added to my

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<v Speaker 1>toolbox during that season of my life. Yeah, So something

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<v Speaker 1>that is kind of similar and different is um thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about permission and choice. And so what I tell my

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<v Speaker 1>clients is, you know, you always have the option to

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<v Speaker 1>do these disordered behaviors, like let's not take it off

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<v Speaker 1>the table, because then that is going to make it

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<v Speaker 1>kind of feel more appealing. But if you're having that

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<v Speaker 1>urge to binge, and what you said about feeling checked

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<v Speaker 1>out is really important. If someone doesn't know if they're

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<v Speaker 1>over eating or binging. That mentality of not being able

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<v Speaker 1>to stop and feeling out of control is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the sign of a binge versus just eating too uncomfortably

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<v Speaker 1>full or over eating. And so what I like to

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<v Speaker 1>tell clients is first to make sure that you're eating

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<v Speaker 1>enough and it's not just a product of restriction, because

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<v Speaker 1>that restrict binge cycle is very present. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>are eating enough and you still are having the binges,

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<v Speaker 1>then yeah, try and create space, is how I describe it.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, what I've had some people do that

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<v Speaker 1>they found very helpful is like literally set a timer

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<v Speaker 1>for ten minutes when you feel that urged to binge,

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<v Speaker 1>and then use that time to journal or distract yourself

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<v Speaker 1>in some way, doing some sort of other pleasant activity

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<v Speaker 1>or think about just notice like what you're feeling and

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<v Speaker 1>what's driving the binge, and then when the ten minutes

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<v Speaker 1>are up, then make the choice, so not I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to binge, but then you get to decide at

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<v Speaker 1>that time, after you've reflected and checked in with yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>do I want the food or do I actually need

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<v Speaker 1>something else? And just making it a conscious choice makes

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<v Speaker 1>it less compulsive and out of control. And then yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>giving yourself that power of like, oh I can make

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<v Speaker 1>this a decision. It's interesting, like our brains, they're so fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm turning ear to ear when I say it, because

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly don't understand much of it when I'm trying.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've seen it happen in my brain, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen the difference that it can make, and I what

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately happened was I started restricting. That's where it first

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<v Speaker 1>started for me. This is again my story, but at

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<v Speaker 1>a young age, I started dieting as a teenager, and

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<v Speaker 1>that restriction, then my brain suddenly was like, wait, what,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't trust this person. I'm going to take care

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<v Speaker 1>of you, So you're gonna need to eat and eat

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<v Speaker 1>and eat. Next time you give me food, we're eating

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of it because I don't know when you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna give it to me again. And then then that

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<v Speaker 1>for me, is how the binging started. Was from the

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<v Speaker 1>restricting and having a list of things I was never

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to have, and so I was totally disconnected, like

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<v Speaker 1>there was no yeah mine body spirit connection like it

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<v Speaker 1>just was. My brain was in survival mode like no

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<v Speaker 1>wonder And now that I understand it. I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's crazy that my brain was literally forming a way

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<v Speaker 1>to take care of me, right, It just wants us

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<v Speaker 1>to survive desperately. Yeah, And so I mean what you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned briefly was like foods being off limits. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>other piece of things is making sure that whatever your

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<v Speaker 1>go to binge foods are, if you don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>binge on them, are you incorporating them in a healthy way.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say, I mean you mentioned oreos before, and

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<v Speaker 1>now I'm thinking about oreos, So let's always talking about oreos.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, number one question, are you regular oreos

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<v Speaker 1>or golden Oreos? I'm regular double stuffed Golden oreos. Double

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<v Speaker 1>stuffed are my favorite, so I might have to try those.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really go for the golden. I try to

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<v Speaker 1>pick up all the other crazy flavors that are out there.

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<v Speaker 1>My friend Kat the Fatah, who she's comes on Outweighs sometimes,

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<v Speaker 1>but she is also in the same network. She has

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast called You Need Therapy, and we were doing

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast about something totally different than oreos, but of

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<v Speaker 1>course I found a way to bring up oreos and

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<v Speaker 1>she we had this whole like metaphor for how Oreos

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<v Speaker 1>they keep adding so many different flavors. It's almost like

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<v Speaker 1>you go to Target or the grocery store and there's

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<v Speaker 1>so many different Oreo flavors, and it's like, why did

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<v Speaker 1>you mess with something that was good? Like Oreos they

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<v Speaker 1>had something going like they're good. Fine, you could end

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<v Speaker 1>at the regular and the golden. We'll give you that.

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<v Speaker 1>But then there's like double chocolate chocolate chunk chocolate hazel,

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<v Speaker 1>not like all you know, red velvet. Yeah, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a mystery one that was like fruity pebbles. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the Oreo company ends up being this metaphor for like

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<v Speaker 1>we as humans, we keep striving and striving and like

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<v Speaker 1>when is enough? Like when are we satisfied with who

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<v Speaker 1>we are and what we bring to the table, Because

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<v Speaker 1>Oreo just does not seem satisfied, and so it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like the difference between like striving versus contentment. It

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<v Speaker 1>was basically our conversation and it all happened because Oreos,

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<v Speaker 1>Like a lot of conversations in my life start because

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<v Speaker 1>of Oreos. So back to this conversation, Um, you asked

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<v Speaker 1>me my favorite, but yeah, Oreos might be something that

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<v Speaker 1>is a binge food. So where am I incorporating it

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<v Speaker 1>into my life? Yeah, So, if you find yourself going

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<v Speaker 1>to binge on oreos, and then what works for you

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<v Speaker 1>is to take a pause or to walk away, or

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<v Speaker 1>to do some journaling or whatever it is. If you

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<v Speaker 1>never eat the oreos, the urge to bend them probably

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<v Speaker 1>won't go away. So then the next step would be

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the next day, while you're eating your lunch, you

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<v Speaker 1>have a few oreos as a side with your lunch,

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<v Speaker 1>and normalize it in the other parts of your life,

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<v Speaker 1>in the other times of day outside of the bench,

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<v Speaker 1>so that it loses that emotional charge that oreos aren't

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<v Speaker 1>ruling you. Exactly exactly when I first became a mom,

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<v Speaker 1>I had so many disordered behaviors myself, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>passing them along to my kids, and I restricted so

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<v Speaker 1>many things, and I thought I was doing it in

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<v Speaker 1>the name of hell, my children, We're gonna be so

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote healthy. And I would get so irritated if

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<v Speaker 1>they would go to like a something at church, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>where I shouldn't be irritated there, but I would go

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<v Speaker 1>pick them up and then they would have all this

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<v Speaker 1>candy and snacks from Sunday school, and I would be like,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't even ask me. They didn't even ask me

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<v Speaker 1>if it's okay to give my kids candy. I'm working

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<v Speaker 1>so hard to keep candy out of their life. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I realized I was making them obsess about candy

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<v Speaker 1>way more like my kids actually didn't really care that

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<v Speaker 1>much about candy, but they were caring about it more

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<v Speaker 1>because I wasn't allowing it. So that also was a

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<v Speaker 1>huge learning lesson for me. And my kids are so

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<v Speaker 1>much happier now. My daughter has said multiple times like

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<v Speaker 1>you're just more cool or I don't know how, she

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<v Speaker 1>just says that I'm not as strict around food as

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<v Speaker 1>I used to be, and not just for myself but

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<v Speaker 1>for them. And we don't realize sometimes what we're doing,

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<v Speaker 1>we're passing along to our kids. And then we could

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<v Speaker 1>we create eating this, you know, fear of foods in

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<v Speaker 1>our children, when they didn't even have a fear to

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<v Speaker 1>begin with. We put it there. Yeah, And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if there's research on this, but if you were

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<v Speaker 1>to look at the variety of foods that kids eat

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<v Speaker 1>when they're in a home that restricts sugar, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>of versus when they're not. They probably eat less sugar

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<v Speaker 1>when it's not restricted. Like, we're naturally interested in variety,

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<v Speaker 1>and so when everything is available, we want variety. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so just think about that if you happen to be

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<v Speaker 1>a mom, But then also think about that just for

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<v Speaker 1>yourself and know that, like I'm sure it makes sense

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<v Speaker 1>when you think about it from a child's eyes, it

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<v Speaker 1>literally is the same thing from you and you as

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<v Speaker 1>an adult listening to this now, you maybe started some

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<v Speaker 1>of these behaviors as a child because I grew up

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<v Speaker 1>with diet culture all around me and the restricting all

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<v Speaker 1>around me because it's the nineties and everything was fat

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<v Speaker 1>free and everyone was trying this diet and that diet,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was very normal for and it still is

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<v Speaker 1>normal for a lot of moms to quote unquote diet.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think as a society, we're learning more, we're

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<v Speaker 1>shifting away from that, and hopefully we're raising up a

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<v Speaker 1>generation that won't have that as their childhood memories. But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how old are you, Michelle. I'm thirty, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm forty. What was it like for you as

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<v Speaker 1>as a child. Well, I mean, I am very grateful

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<v Speaker 1>that my my parents were pretty flexible with food, so

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<v Speaker 1>we we had a wide variety of things with some

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<v Speaker 1>parameters of you know, my mom would not buy the

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<v Speaker 1>certain types of cereal that had quote unquote too much sugar,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, still we had popped cards every now

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<v Speaker 1>and then and all sorts of things, so I was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty I don't like the word normal because is there

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<v Speaker 1>even a normal. But normal with food growing up, which

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<v Speaker 1>I think really contributed to having a healthy relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>food was just like it was always there. It was

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<v Speaker 1>always normal, there wasn't I mean, yes, I did see

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<v Speaker 1>people on diet the like weight Watchers was super trendying

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of all those diets, but for me and

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<v Speaker 1>my siblings, eating everything made it feel okay, well that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a great example of what that could

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<v Speaker 1>look like and the well, now what I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>be offering my kids and I hope that they grow

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<v Speaker 1>up to be thirty and they're like, yeah, we kind

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<v Speaker 1>of just we're able to have whatever. Except for the

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<v Speaker 1>first year when our mom brought us to America, she

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<v Speaker 1>restricted and that will be their answer. After that, it

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<v Speaker 1>got more. Yeah, the one thing for me was white bread.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom only did holy read and whenever I went

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<v Speaker 1>to friends houses and we would have like if I

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<v Speaker 1>had lunch there and they had white bread, that was like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I got white bread. Never like tell my mom, like

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<v Speaker 1>we had white bread. So that was the one thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I always point out to people, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think we know this, Like when you're at like a

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<v Speaker 1>kid's party, you can tell which kids don't have access

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<v Speaker 1>to the sweets because they're like going for it. And

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<v Speaker 1>that happens as adults too, like you said, like you

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<v Speaker 1>notice the people who are st ate to the dessert

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<v Speaker 1>table at the birthday party, and then it takes away

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<v Speaker 1>from being able to be present in the socializing. So

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<v Speaker 1>kind of relating it to adulthood, like if you're not

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<v Speaker 1>allowing yourself those foods and then you're thinking about it more,

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<v Speaker 1>then you're not fully participating in your life and everything

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<v Speaker 1>else that you're wanting to do. Yeah, I missed out

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<v Speaker 1>on so many experiences, whether I was binging or restricting

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<v Speaker 1>because depending on the day, so it was a restrictive day,

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<v Speaker 1>I would bring my own meal and miss out on

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<v Speaker 1>whatever maybe someone cooked because I didn't trust it. So

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<v Speaker 1>therefore I missed out on that connection. And then of course,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm eating what I brought, I'm just thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>everything they're eating, wishing I could eat it. So there

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not present. That was a restrictive state. Then if

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<v Speaker 1>I was in a I don't really care day, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna eat whatever, then I'm focused on eating whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm uncomfortable and I don't feel present again. So

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<v Speaker 1>my hope is for people to find that that sweet

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<v Speaker 1>spot where you can just be present with the people

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<v Speaker 1>and and joy the food, whatever that might be, and

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<v Speaker 1>find joy in that activity, because there's so much time

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<v Speaker 1>when you're in a binge restrict cycle that you don't

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<v Speaker 1>get to enjoy. You may cancel plans, not go to

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<v Speaker 1>plans again, depending on where are you, where you are

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<v Speaker 1>in it, and there's so much joy to be had

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<v Speaker 1>for you, there is and it, and I do wanna

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<v Speaker 1>validate and acknowledge normalize that it takes some challenge to

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<v Speaker 1>get there, because I hear from a lot of clients like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to allow myself this food that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have permission for it, because then I'll be so

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<v Speaker 1>stressed out while I'm at that dinner with my friends,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just want to be present, and so the

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<v Speaker 1>initial like working through it and giving yourself permission. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you experienced this, like it does create discomfort,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's the short term discomfort for the long term

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<v Speaker 1>peace with food. Well, and we had Dr Josh on

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast. Actually it's been a couple of years now,

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<v Speaker 1>but I follow him on Instagram and he's he's a

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<v Speaker 1>medical doctor, and he was saying about that. You mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>anxiety in stress around like allowing a food, but the

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<v Speaker 1>chemicals that you release with the stress around it's like

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<v Speaker 1>worse than if you would just eat the cookie or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, absolutely and so if that just helps you

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<v Speaker 1>have some perspective on it, give yourself that permission to

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<v Speaker 1>to try to enjoy it, even if you're not restricting.

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<v Speaker 1>What about keeping binge type foods or something that fell

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<v Speaker 1>into that category for you or I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>what we call it, like a trigger food, like a

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<v Speaker 1>food that you would eat that might lead to a binge.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you mentioned incorporating it into or making sure

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<v Speaker 1>it's available to you. You know, that's like one of

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<v Speaker 1>the steps. How do you feel about keeping it in

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<v Speaker 1>the pantry. I think it's great. I think for most

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<v Speaker 1>people it's very helpful to work through that process with

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<v Speaker 1>a professional, with a dietician. But I think it's something

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<v Speaker 1>that's important to do because it just increases that level

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<v Speaker 1>of full permission. So you know, we want to make

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<v Speaker 1>it sustainable and achievable, setting yourself up for success. So

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<v Speaker 1>you might not buy all of your bene foods at once.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you want to work through them one at a time,

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<v Speaker 1>first focus on one and getting really comfortable with that,

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<v Speaker 1>then adding another, And the point is to be okay

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<v Speaker 1>having it without that compulsive urge to binge it. Then

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<v Speaker 1>you get to again have that choice and that freedom

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<v Speaker 1>of like do I want to have it right now

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<v Speaker 1>or not. So the initial working through it and like

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<v Speaker 1>normalizing having it at home doesn't mean that you need

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<v Speaker 1>to have a constant supply of that food at all

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<v Speaker 1>times for the rest of your life. But then it

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<v Speaker 1>just is like another thing on the grocery list when

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<v Speaker 1>you want it, and it's not when you don't. I

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<v Speaker 1>went through a phase. I'm not so much there anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>but as I was retraining my brain, I did a

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<v Speaker 1>lot a lot of unlearning and learning. Like at the

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<v Speaker 1>grocery store sometimes I would go grab something and I'd

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<v Speaker 1>be like, uh, I don't really mean and then I'd

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<v Speaker 1>be like, you know what, getting it and I would

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<v Speaker 1>just throw it in my cart because I and it

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<v Speaker 1>just was like something inside me just felt so empowering,

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<v Speaker 1>like throwing it in my cart and that simple act

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<v Speaker 1>like again, and then I knew I have a choice

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<v Speaker 1>whether I'm taking that home and I'm gonna put in

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<v Speaker 1>my pantry, and I have a choice when I go

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<v Speaker 1>to the pantry, I'm going to be in control. But

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, just to back up, it takes a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of time, and it takes repeat, repeat, repeat. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I went back to the pantry or would

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<v Speaker 1>walk away from the pantry multiple times. But I knew

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<v Speaker 1>what I was doing to my brain, and I trust

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<v Speaker 1>that I was trusting the process. There might be a

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<v Speaker 1>different process for other people. But again that book was

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<v Speaker 1>brain over binge in case people want more info on that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I like where this discussion went today. I know

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<v Speaker 1>not everybody has an issue with binging, but hopefully it's

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<v Speaker 1>of this episode was helpful to you and then to

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<v Speaker 1>understand what some other like family members or friends might

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<v Speaker 1>be going through. Even though now my brain has a

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<v Speaker 1>choice and I'm in control. For so many years, I

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<v Speaker 1>was out of control. My brain was doing its thing

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<v Speaker 1>to try to take care of me, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>depriving it. It was like, Okay, we're gonna go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and eat eat, eat, eat eat. Like working against each other, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>learning to work with yourself is helpful. Give yourself that

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<v Speaker 1>that grace for sure. Okay, Well, thank you Michelle for

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<v Speaker 1>coming on again, and people can find you on Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>at Yes at Michelle Pillow Pitch Nutrition than for having

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<v Speaker 1>me and the Pillow Pitch. Yes. We know it's difficult

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<v Speaker 1>four weeks and we'd love to have you back again

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<v Speaker 1>in the future. And in the meantime, y'all can connect

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