Speaker 1: Hey, they're fan.
Speaker 2: Rito's welcome to another episode of How Rude Tanaritos. Today
Speaker 2: we will be continuing our interview with the talented writer
Speaker 2: Doug McIntyre. He wrote some unforgettable episodes that fans cherish
Speaker 2: and love, so we're extremely excited for you to hear
Speaker 2: the rest of this interview. LEEZ, Welcome back, Doug.
Speaker 3: I think that's right now. That's why if you had
Speaker 3: put the writers on camera, the show would have been
Speaker 3: forgotten while it was still ontaving.
Speaker 4: Well, look, I've learned most writers the one thing they
Speaker 4: don't want to do is be in front of the camera.
Speaker 4: They're like, no, no, no, no no no no no no
Speaker 4: no no no.
Speaker 1: No no, that's somebody else's gig.
Speaker 3: That's nothing that's fun about. But this is true of
Speaker 3: my whole life, because you know, for younger people who
Speaker 3: grew up with cell phone cameras. I just last week
Speaker 3: I was in Boston and I had a great time
Speaker 3: with a whole big group of people I went to
Speaker 3: college with from fourty five years ago, and we were
Speaker 3: all saying, oh, thank god, doing no cell phone cameras,
Speaker 3: we'd still be in prison, right and after full House
Speaker 3: one day, I think Kim Weiskoff brought us camera to
Speaker 3: the writer's room, and there's about eight black and white
Speaker 3: photos and that's the only photos that I've ever seen
Speaker 3: from the time I was a full house.
Speaker 5: Yeah, other than production.
Speaker 1: Photos, right, yeah, we have a ton of like set photos.
Speaker 4: But yeah, no, nobody there wasn't from you taking pictures
Speaker 4: of what's going on in the writer's room, you know,
Speaker 4: exciting about sixteen people sitting around snacking on peanut butter
Speaker 4: pretzels and looking in the morning.
Speaker 3: To the fact that one of them, I captioned I
Speaker 3: posted once in a caption punching up my suicide note.
Speaker 4: Because for Roath, right, just dark, dark dark, And I
Speaker 4: mean that's you know, that's why I have the sense.
Speaker 1: Of humor that I do.
Speaker 6: Started with Bob and it's right and going down the line.
Speaker 1: It's true. I was gonna say, keeps going downhill, but yeah,
Speaker 1: not too.
Speaker 2: Was there a particular full house character you wrote more
Speaker 2: jokes for, or that you felt particularly drawn to or
Speaker 2: connected to, Like, I know you wrote the episode that
Speaker 2: features Jesse and you know Joey Stacey and oh yeah Jesse,
Speaker 2: which is very Jesse focused. And we had a lot
Speaker 2: of thoughts about that. But what, in your words, what
Speaker 2: characters were you most drawn.
Speaker 3: Well knew because I knew John personally better than anybody,
Speaker 3: because I came in having already done twenty six episodes
Speaker 3: with him on another show.
Speaker 5: I knew him socially at that time, so I suppose it.
Speaker 3: Was easier for me to find that voice. But I
Speaker 3: know this sounds like I'm sucking up because of the podcast.
Speaker 3: But I really liked Stephanie. I liked the character I
Speaker 3: liked and it wasn't and you just said it. It
Speaker 3: was the thirty year old in the eight year old body.
Speaker 3: It was something about the way you moved on the
Speaker 3: stage and behave that I just found.
Speaker 5: I just found her funny. You could do more. I
Speaker 5: mean basically, I just thought that you had more colors
Speaker 5: to play.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Season three Stephanie is iconic.
Speaker 2: Like we're going through those episodes now, we have another
Speaker 2: one we're reviewing. The car through the Kitchen episode is
Speaker 2: one that we're recapping today. Yeah, just so many iconic
Speaker 2: episodes starring starring Stephanie's.
Speaker 4: Character mister Egghead, that one, Walter the duck Face one. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was very I got to have some really fun
Speaker 4: storylines for sure.
Speaker 6: So great, so great.
Speaker 4: Now you did a great job of sort of encompassing
Speaker 4: Jesse's relatively egotistic personality with you know, the storyline with
Speaker 4: Becky and.
Speaker 1: All of that. Like how did you see Jesse?
Speaker 4: I've always wondered, like, how did the writers see Jesse
Speaker 4: as a character? Like did they see did they were
Speaker 4: they like, oh, he's kind of like he's got a
Speaker 4: ways to go to like learn or were they or
Speaker 4: was it just this was kind of I mean I
Speaker 4: just always like wonder what the writers thought about like Jesse.
Speaker 3: Well, here's this is what I'm going to make a
Speaker 3: sweeping generalization, but this is what writers think about all
Speaker 3: good looking lead actors is that you know, uh, we're
Speaker 3: never going to have the life that they have. I mean,
Speaker 3: we've got a mirror too, so we don't see what
Speaker 3: this is. What I remember when when we were on when.
Speaker 5: We were working on You Again before Full House, I
Speaker 5: had a next door neighbor. I had this little house
Speaker 5: in Burbay, and uh, John came over one time.
Speaker 3: My next door neighbor had a.
Speaker 5: A developmentally challenged granddaughter who lived with her and John
Speaker 5: get out of the car. He's walking up to the
Speaker 5: front door.
Speaker 3: This one.
Speaker 5: She was probably twenty.
Speaker 3: Two, but she was functionally about six, and she saw
Speaker 3: John and she knew him as Blackie from the soap
Speaker 3: op and she went crazy. She just went crazy. And
Speaker 3: John went over and sat with her on the front
Speaker 3: step of her house to calmer down and blah blah blah,
Speaker 3: and then later on brought her to you again and
Speaker 3: then actually sent a car and brought her to full
Speaker 3: house to a taping.
Speaker 1: This is That's such a John thing to do. He
Speaker 1: really is such a great.
Speaker 3: A And the reason I'm telling that story is because
Speaker 3: I think that John's inherent goodness. I mean that boy
Speaker 3: was raised right, Yes, yeah, he was, And I think
Speaker 3: that so, you know, while we poked fun at him
Speaker 3: because of his ridiculous luck in the genetic lottery that
Speaker 3: we did not have and we'll never have, the sweetness
Speaker 3: and the inherent goodness I think also was always underlying
Speaker 3: the character, so he could have some vanity, but it
Speaker 3: wasn't It wasn't ToxS vanity.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's that's that's an interesting distinction because it's
Speaker 2: easy for Jody and I to get caught up in
Speaker 2: his in his tantrums and his well.
Speaker 4: Also, when you watch the episodes back to back, you're like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, he's having.
Speaker 1: Another fit overreacting again this man.
Speaker 4: But like, you know, over a season, you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: there was a week in between, you kind of had
Speaker 4: time to forget that Joey freaked or Jesse freaked out
Speaker 4: episode before last about the same exact thing, and you
Speaker 4: you know, but yeah, watching it now, you're.
Speaker 1: Like, what's why, why is he so angry?
Speaker 3: Gone down?
Speaker 1: You look great?
Speaker 6: He gets jealous very very easily, which is.
Speaker 1: You know, you're like, look at it, like you said.
Speaker 3: Look at the mirror.
Speaker 1: Bro, You're fine.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: The thing is about all right, you know, all especially
Speaker 3: comedy in particular, but basically all storytelling is a bunch
Speaker 3: of nice people behaving nicely. Is makes a great neighborhood,
Speaker 3: but it makes a boring show.
Speaker 1: So great for mister Rogers not so much.
Speaker 3: You need yeah, so, you know, you need lessons to
Speaker 3: be learned in personal failings, and that's where the fun
Speaker 3: comes in.
Speaker 5: Otherwise it's just gonna be it's gonna be lovely.
Speaker 1: But right well, it's yeah, it's always the thing. What
Speaker 1: are the stakes?
Speaker 4: What what is it you know, what is at risk,
Speaker 4: what's at play, what's the what's the conflict, you know,
Speaker 4: all that kind of fun stuff. Now, we have not
Speaker 4: recapped the Stephanie Gets Framed episode yet because that is
Speaker 4: in season four. But this, this was a big one
Speaker 4: in uh in Full House history and obviously family matters,
Speaker 4: because we actually had Steve Erkele appear on the show.
Speaker 1: And I want to say that was like the.
Speaker 4: Only crossover we ever did on our on Full House.
Speaker 4: I think Erkele had appeared maybe on another one or something,
Speaker 4: but I think we didn't really do. It wasn't like
Speaker 4: the like the universes existed together, you know, correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I was surprising. I mean obviously that was
Speaker 3: at the height of Erkelemania, right, and Juliel White was
Speaker 3: the star. I mean he was one of these, you know,
Speaker 3: snowflake characters that just shows up that the whole country
Speaker 3: just every time he opened his mouth, they just loved him. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And so it was it was a natural fit with
Speaker 3: Full House, being a kid with a large kid cast,
Speaker 3: it was kind of a natural to bring him in.
Speaker 3: As I remember it, when Jeff asked me, uh to
Speaker 3: write an episode, he said, we've got Juliel White that week,
Speaker 3: so so that that was a given going in. It wasn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't come to them and say, hey, you know
Speaker 5: everybody would have said.
Speaker 1: That, right, right, right.
Speaker 4: So it's basically like, we've got Julil for the for
Speaker 4: the week, what is the story?
Speaker 3: And why is Erka here with him?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: And he wore glasses, so we thought, well that's you know,
Speaker 3: I was thinking about the glasses because of my niece,
Speaker 3: you know, and her eye thing, so and just my own,
Speaker 3: you know, experience as a kid wearing glass is being
Speaker 3: four eyes, which I always thought was the dumbest insul
Speaker 3: four eyes. It's like with somebody with hearing age, you.
Speaker 1: Go four years, I mean right, yeah, no.
Speaker 5: It's just that it's right in front of your face,
Speaker 5: so it changes.
Speaker 1: I never understood why people made fun of glasses anyway.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is the what? I don't understand.
Speaker 4: It was always weird to me. I'm like, what a
Speaker 4: strange thing to make fun of you?
Speaker 3: So you're they work better if you don't keep them
Speaker 3: on your head if.
Speaker 1: You're well, that's debatable, but.
Speaker 2: Did you have to consult with the Family Matters writers
Speaker 2: in order to write the character of.
Speaker 3: I mean I watched a bunch of episodes. I might
Speaker 3: have asked for some because we didn't have you know,
Speaker 3: we didn't have the ability to stream anything. So I
Speaker 3: might have got a couple of tapes, VHS tapes to
Speaker 3: watch the character.
Speaker 5: Because you know, when you're working on a show, you
Speaker 5: don't get to see anything.
Speaker 1: You know, you're in a tunnel and that's it.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 3: Uh. In fact, Friday nights when it was on, we
Speaker 3: were that was tape night for us. We're on stage anyway.
Speaker 4: It was probably also why we didn't watch the show
Speaker 4: Friday Nights was when it was on, The show was
Speaker 4: on and we were working right.
Speaker 3: Right, so so uh so I'm sure that I did
Speaker 3: just to see not just how he sounds, but how
Speaker 3: he moves, you know. Uh that because he was he
Speaker 3: was the whole package. He had a whole, He.
Speaker 5: Had a whole.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, but but that was when we also did
Speaker 3: one I remember we did an episode with.
Speaker 5: Uh, what's his name, Charles in charge?
Speaker 2: Uh oh, Scott Bail got bail, Yes, we already that
Speaker 2: was yeah, I remember the Scott Bayo episode.
Speaker 6: There was a lot of episode.
Speaker 1: It was ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we did the Beach Boys, which was the
Speaker 3: second time because we had the Beach Boys on you
Speaker 3: again too. Oh yeah. So we did two of those
Speaker 3: and that was the fun of that one, was trying
Speaker 3: to get all of the Beach Boys on the set
Speaker 3: at the same time. We got this incredible I had
Speaker 3: it until a few years ago. I probably got tossed,
Speaker 3: but I had this incredible memo that had been sent
Speaker 3: from casting about the availability of Al Jardine can be
Speaker 3: here between one and three on Tuesday, and Mike Love
Speaker 3: can be here from.
Speaker 4: Right like you have three minutes to shoot this scene
Speaker 4: right right.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's the tetra scene of scheduling.
Speaker 1: Right as nightmare, Yeah, a nightmare.
Speaker 4: What has been, like, your the favorite thing that you
Speaker 4: have worked on in this business?
Speaker 1: Done?
Speaker 4: I mean, and you don't have to say us because
Speaker 4: we're right in front of you, but well.
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting because I've had, to say the least,
Speaker 3: an eclectic career in that I've always been a writer,
Speaker 3: always been a storyteller, but between sitcoms and the radio business.
Speaker 3: Uh and and you know I do a lot of them,
Speaker 3: seeing to Singer Speaker series and I did four nights
Speaker 3: with Steve Martin and you know why, I just did
Speaker 3: Trevor Noah two weeks three weeks ago.
Speaker 5: Amazing, Robert Redford and President Bush. You know, lolla, you
Speaker 5: stop saying.
Speaker 3: You know. So it's this wide variety and that's been
Speaker 3: kind of a really fascinating life. I mean, I certainly
Speaker 3: was pinching myself when I was sitting hester to John
Speaker 3: Cleese in front of three thousand people, saying what am
Speaker 3: I doing here? And not in the third balcony with
Speaker 3: everything else? But so so that that part has been fun.
Speaker 3: And and you know me, I working with my wife,
Speaker 3: My wife Penny Piser was and all the President's men
Speaker 3: in the in Law.
Speaker 5: She played Alan Arkins daughter. She's had a great career
Speaker 5: and the last few years we've been writing books and
Speaker 5: she's got this wonderful series of books which I just
Speaker 5: happened to have here, well Sonus from Suburbia where she
Speaker 5: writes Shakespearean's sonnets but about crap that happens today.
Speaker 1: So it's like fun, very entertaining.
Speaker 3: And she does a live show called she just actually
Speaker 3: came back from Scotland. She did the Fringe Festival in Edinburgh.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, wow, and she's going to do it.
Speaker 5: In Hollywood on November fourteenth.
Speaker 3: Actually nice to say it, very entertaining, very funny.
Speaker 5: She writes songs and she does that.
Speaker 3: And the book is very important to me because Frank's
Speaker 3: Shadow is something that I started twenty five years ago
Speaker 3: and it came out last year, and because it's you know,
Speaker 3: when you work on a show, in a lot of ways,
Speaker 3: unless you're the show creator, you're rowing somebody else's boat,
Speaker 3: someone else's idea, and you have to execute it, hopefully
Speaker 3: with skill, but it's.
Speaker 5: Still someone else's ideas.
Speaker 3: So Frank Shadow of the novel is something that I'm
Speaker 3: very proud of because whether it's good or bad, it's
Speaker 3: at least my good or bad. Yeah, and Penny and
Speaker 3: I made a movie called Well it's actually back there.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you can see the poster, but
Speaker 3: trying to get good the Jazz Odyssey of Jack Sheldon.
Speaker 1: Is it that I saw it behind you there earlier?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We made that feature documentary in two thousand and eight
Speaker 3: and it did great, and in fact, I ran it
Speaker 3: to Dave Coolier in Kansas City.
Speaker 5: We would doing a radio hit.
Speaker 3: To promote it at the Kansas City Film Festival and
Speaker 3: Dave was on his Clean Comedy tour in the studio. Actually,
Speaker 3: it was fun running into him there. So those kinds
Speaker 3: of projects have been very creatively nourishing because it's outside
Speaker 3: the traditional system. And I actually think that this is
Speaker 3: the direction that the arts are headed anyway, as we see,
Speaker 3: there's always going to be some kind of big time
Speaker 3: show business where there's a big star and there's lots
Speaker 3: of money behind it. But as we've seen with these
Speaker 3: strikes and with just you know, and the change in technology,
Speaker 3: the fact that you guys have the ability to do
Speaker 3: a show like this, right, that we can. We can
Speaker 3: create things and get them out to the public. Maybe
Speaker 3: not in vast audiences, but you can get to say
Speaker 3: your piece where mean you want to express it. And
Speaker 3: I think that that's you know, that's both the blessing
Speaker 3: and the challenge, because if you want to find an audience,
Speaker 3: you have to figure all those eight hundred.
Speaker 4: Thousands, right There's Yeah, the audience is splintered much more now.
Speaker 4: But but with that being said, there's also niche audiences
Speaker 4: that will watch something that you know, nobody else really knows,
Speaker 4: but maybe they've kept it going for you know, four
Speaker 4: or five seasons or whatever.
Speaker 1: They're very into it, So yeah, there is.
Speaker 4: It's sort of a a blessing and a curse.
Speaker 3: Like you said, yeah, well, the concept of broadcasting other
Speaker 3: than like the World Series or you know, the Super
Speaker 3: Bowl things.
Speaker 5: Like that, Yeah, Dodgers doesn't exists anymore.
Speaker 3: It's really it's really micro microcasting you find in Nahue
Speaker 3: and then you super serve that audience and you know,
Speaker 3: might not get rich, but you can have a life
Speaker 3: where you're it's fulfilling because you're doing what you dreamt
Speaker 3: of doing when you were a kid.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, I mean it sounds like you have done
Speaker 4: so many really interesting, incredible, varied things in creating, in writing,
Speaker 4: you know, like what a what a really amazing career,
Speaker 4: like how much fun?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: I always I always like to tell people in this business, like,
Speaker 4: you know, look, just do a little bit of everything,
Speaker 4: you know, just kind of don't don't say no, just
Speaker 4: try and figure out you know, little bits here and there,
Speaker 4: and and I find it makes for a much more
Speaker 4: interesting ride.
Speaker 1: But I would love to.
Speaker 7: Hear what would what would be your best piece of
Speaker 7: advice for like a young aspiring writer or maybe not
Speaker 7: even a young aspiring but and aspire writer, what is
Speaker 7: the best piece of advice that you wish you would
Speaker 7: have heard or that you heard that really stuck with you.
Speaker 3: Well, the first and foremost writers have one great advantage
Speaker 3: over everybody else, certainly in the movie slash television business,
Speaker 3: and that if you're an.
Speaker 5: Actor, you need a production in order to do your craft.
Speaker 3: I mean, yes, you can take classes and you can,
Speaker 3: but you need a production, even if it's in a
Speaker 3: black box theater on Santa Monica Boulevard and you have
Speaker 3: to work your way past three street walkers and to
Speaker 3: get into the building. But writers, you know your performance
Speaker 3: is on that keyboarder. It's you know, it's it's with
Speaker 3: a pencil. Just keep writing, Always write, and always write down.
Speaker 3: I mean, keep a notebook. I mean, however, you do
Speaker 3: it on your phone texted to yourself. But when you
Speaker 3: see somebody like I just you know, when you see
Speaker 3: a quirky piece of behavior, remember it because it's a
Speaker 3: character trade, you know. I mean, I just saw a
Speaker 3: guy who, for whatever reason, walks on his toes.
Speaker 5: He just has a quirk in the way he walks.
Speaker 3: He walks on his toes, And you say, well, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to forget that I remember, in fact, it's
Speaker 3: in my book when I was in Greenwich Village. This
Speaker 3: has got to be it's more than forty years ago,
Speaker 3: because I was still living in New York and I'm
Speaker 3: walking to meet a friend in the village and there's
Speaker 3: an older, silver haired Italian gentleman walking towards me in
Speaker 3: these leather shoes and it sounds like he's got tap
Speaker 3: shoes on because you can hear him click, and coming
Speaker 3: towards me. It's wearing this white silk shirt and as
Speaker 3: he passes me, he nods. And the shirt is, you know,
Speaker 3: it's an unbuttoned to like the eighth button right.
Speaker 5: And as he passed me, he's.
Speaker 3: Got a blue lace bra on, a blue lace bra
Speaker 3: and clearly proud of it because he's got the shirt
Speaker 3: undone me. And he just sort of nods as he
Speaker 3: goes by. And I have no idea why, but that's
Speaker 3: how he chose to go.
Speaker 1: I said, look, cute, you do a little note.
Speaker 3: And somewhere along the line years later, you know that
Speaker 3: that that little quirky thing. Gary marsh used to say,
Speaker 3: put it in your movie basket.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, just.
Speaker 5: Just a joke.
Speaker 3: Gets caught at the table reading it doesn't make it
Speaker 3: to air. But if it was structurally a good joke,
Speaker 3: you'll never forget the mechanics of how it works, and
Speaker 3: you'll and sooner or later that will come around again
Speaker 3: and you'll be the person that has the perfect joke
Speaker 3: at the perfect time.
Speaker 5: So you just don't throw it away. And I think that,
Speaker 5: But you have to write. If you want to be
Speaker 5: a writer, you have to and you have to read.
Speaker 5: I mean, I cannot emphasize how important reading is.
Speaker 3: You have to.
Speaker 5: You know, have to master your material, right, uh.
Speaker 3: And the part of that comes from seeing how other
Speaker 3: writers have done it.
Speaker 4: It's true, seeing what you like, what you don't like.
Speaker 4: You know, there's definitely look you where you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 5: Love I can't I can't work on like those procedural
Speaker 5: shows because my brain doesn't work that.
Speaker 4: Way, right, Like this is this is too much and
Speaker 4: there's a lot of jargon here and I and yeah,
Speaker 4: it's just not I'm not don't you lost me at
Speaker 4: takey Cardia.
Speaker 3: I can't figure them out. I mean I did my camera.
Speaker 5: With Stacy Keats is one of my best friends, and
Speaker 5: we did the syndicated version and basically we didn't have
Speaker 5: a budget, so we just turned it into a comedy
Speaker 5: with murders because that we could do.
Speaker 3: And plus, right, I didn't know how to do the
Speaker 3: the the you know, the aha moments of these mysteries.
Speaker 5: Right was strong students.
Speaker 6: Yeah, recognize your strengths and and play to those, right, Yeah,
Speaker 6: absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4: I mean writers on West Wing are going to be
Speaker 4: very different from writers on you know, a sitcom or
Speaker 4: on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a it's like a it's a different,
Speaker 1: different skill, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well all right, writers, just keep writing. If you
Speaker 4: heard him, just write, read, you know, arithmetic, I don't know,
Speaker 4: whatever you want to do.
Speaker 6: That's great advice. You're inspiring me. You're inspiring me to
Speaker 6: you're de inspiring me because.
Speaker 4: I will write sporadically and then I'm like, oh I
Speaker 4: need to I think of things all the time, but
Speaker 4: I think of things so quickly that then I forget
Speaker 4: to write them down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, notes are good and and and you know, I
Speaker 3: think that deeply also on a personal level, besides professional level,
Speaker 3: I think that your your work improves as you improve
Speaker 3: as a person. M I. And so when you're younger
Speaker 3: and you're still going through all of that stuff that
Speaker 3: younger people do. You want wealth and fame and material stuff.
Speaker 3: You want a better girlfriend or boyfriend, or what of
Speaker 3: that crap that you do, or you're you're drinking too much,
Speaker 3: or you're taking draw whatever you're doing, it's self destructive.
Speaker 3: You're bringing poison into your life. And the quicker, the
Speaker 3: sooner you can honestly purge yourself of those things. It
Speaker 3: then opens you up to a whole array of other
Speaker 3: insights into life, which makes whatever passes for your art deeper.
Speaker 1: For sure, for sure.
Speaker 4: There, I mean I was, you know, I love to
Speaker 4: go back and read plays or things that I, you know,
Speaker 4: did in an acting class when I was in my
Speaker 4: early twenties, and then go back and read them or
Speaker 4: look at them now and I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: this is there's so much here, you know, like that
Speaker 4: I just I didn't even get because I'd never felt
Speaker 4: that or I never got that layer.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it really is.
Speaker 4: Your perspective changes, and yeah, I just I love that advice.
Speaker 5: Well, there's a there's a famous story that is right
Speaker 5: on that point.
Speaker 3: They did a revival with Dustin Hoffman of Death of
Speaker 3: a Salesman in New York.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 3: And Arthur Miller started sending new page to the actors.
Speaker 5: Wow, And the producer said to say, Arthur, the audience's
Speaker 5: lips are moving. Everybody knows, knows, you can't change it.
Speaker 5: But he was a seventy five year old Arthur Miller
Speaker 5: looking at the rehearsals and he had a different insight
Speaker 5: into the characters, and they had to make him not
Speaker 5: change it.
Speaker 6: Oh wow, yeah, oh for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You just you look back and you're like, no, wait,
Speaker 1: I would who would do that? This is?
Speaker 4: Or what a more interesting choice? Or what if this happen? Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's just with that whole life experience thing.
Speaker 2: You know, as a writer, you never stop rewriting or
Speaker 2: editing yourself. It's just you have to have someone force
Speaker 2: you to stop.
Speaker 3: All take it from you. Yeah, even with the book,
Speaker 3: at some point the publisher just says, no this on Tuesday,
Speaker 3: there are no more chance going to the printer.
Speaker 1: You're done.
Speaker 3: You know you're done. They take it from you. And
Speaker 3: at some point that's true. But if you you know,
Speaker 3: you have the luxure. There's a wonderful painter named Mitchell Johnson,
Speaker 3: a big fan of his work and He'll let paintings
Speaker 3: sit for years, uh huh, then he'll pick him up
Speaker 3: again and completely change the colors and everything.
Speaker 5: And it's fascinating to watch him do that.
Speaker 3: He just sees it differently, you know, we have that
Speaker 3: luxury full House is going to be full House the
Speaker 3: way it was Shocked.
Speaker 4: It's going to be the way it was for yeah,
Speaker 4: and you know what, And it's fun to go back
Speaker 4: and and revisit it and watch it and see, yeah,
Speaker 4: where we've come as as people as humans in our
Speaker 4: adult life. How differently the show hits watching it having
Speaker 4: kids now, I mean, you know all of it. But
Speaker 4: you were such an important part of that show, Doug,
Speaker 4: and you wrote some really great episodes. So we we
Speaker 4: have just loved having you on the show today and
Speaker 4: being able to talk to you and pick your brain
Speaker 4: about a fascinating career and some great writing advice. I
Speaker 4: mean it, just thank you so much for joining us today.
Speaker 3: Oh again, thanks so much for remembering I was there.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Doug. We appreciate it. That was
Speaker 1: so fun that he's so great.
Speaker 2: Writers are so good at telling stories, you know, they're
Speaker 2: just it's got a story teed up.
Speaker 6: I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 4: Know, exceptions so great and yeah if you live in
Speaker 4: LA I mean, I definitely it's funny. I don't know
Speaker 4: that I ever put it together though, Doug McIntyre on
Speaker 4: the radio.
Speaker 1: I never connected in the morning. Yeah. I think my
Speaker 1: mom usul is in that all the time.
Speaker 4: I don't even know if she knew, you know, like,
Speaker 4: but yeah, that's uh yeah, I definitely know I know him.
Speaker 1: So it's funny that, you know.
Speaker 4: You're like, oh, that's right, Yeah, you were you were
Speaker 4: in our world for a little while or we were
Speaker 4: in yours or whatever.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was really really interesting. Good writing advice too.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that was solid. I'm telling I'm not exaggerating.
Speaker 6: I'm feeling inspired. I'm going to go right after we're
Speaker 6: done with this.
Speaker 4: I'm going to go think about it and then probably
Speaker 4: not do it, because that's usually what happens. Like I
Speaker 4: should write that down and then I wait, squirrel, yeah right,
Speaker 4: yeah exactly exactly. If I could see that's the thing
Speaker 4: is like the neurallink thing, I'm like, oh, then I
Speaker 4: could just like write like think notes and then I'm like,
Speaker 4: but that's that's not good.
Speaker 1: That's not we don't want brain implants. That's very bad.
Speaker 1: That's scary. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, we don't want it.
Speaker 6: I'd be afraid to read those.
Speaker 4: Well no, but I mean, like, you know, it's sort
Speaker 4: of that thing where like, oh, if I could just
Speaker 4: like transfer that thought, like as I'm laying and trying
Speaker 4: to fall asleep and download that onto something rather than
Speaker 4: wake myself up and write it down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or even voice noted. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyway, great interview though, Really glad that we got him
Speaker 2: on the show and got to pick his brain.
Speaker 6: What I had a great career too, what an eclectic.
Speaker 2: Seriously and a really nice yeah, very very lovely.
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Speaker 2: Yep, everywhere you look, instant download, just like we were
Speaker 2: talking about, you know, and you want that right in
Speaker 2: your brain first.
Speaker 4: Well but yeah, but no brain implance. I think that's
Speaker 4: I think I think that's a bad idea. I just
Speaker 4: don't think it's gonna go. Well, guys, I'm putting that
Speaker 4: on record now, I think I need to say that.
Speaker 4: But anyway, thank you guys so much for listening. Another
Speaker 4: fun and fabulous episode of How Rude Tanner Rito Is
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Speaker 1: And remember the world is small. Oh damn it.
Speaker 6: Did you lose it?
Speaker 1: I lost it?
Speaker 6: The world is small.
Speaker 1: I need to see this is what I mean. World
Speaker 1: is there?
Speaker 6: Room is full of snacks.
Speaker 1: There we go. The world is small, but the writer's
Speaker 1: room is full of snacks. Yeah, I think you got this.
Speaker 6: You're the I'll pinch it.
Speaker 1: Well, I think, thanks, and I forget to write them down.
Speaker 4: Okay, remember everybody, the world is small, but the writer's
Speaker 4: room is full of snacks.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, that was great. Touching world m