WEBVTT - Some Time With... Doug McIntyre! (Part 2) 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:19.000 Hey, they're fan. 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:23.360 Rito's welcome to another episode of How Rude Tanaritos. Today 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:26.239 we will be continuing our interview with the talented writer 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:31.120 Doug McIntyre. He wrote some unforgettable episodes that fans cherish 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:33.959 and love, so we're extremely excited for you to hear 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:37.080 the rest of this interview. LEEZ, Welcome back, Doug. 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:39.839 I think that's right now. That's why if you had 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:41.879 put the writers on camera, the show would have been 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:45.920 forgotten while it was still ontaving. 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:50.599 Well, look, I've learned most writers the one thing they 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:52.320 don't want to do is be in front of the camera. 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:53.640 They're like, no, no, no, no no no no no no 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:54.120 no no no. 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:55.800 No no, that's somebody else's gig. 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:58.760 That's nothing that's fun about. But this is true of 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.440 my whole life, because you know, for younger people who 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:04.280 grew up with cell phone cameras. I just last week 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:08.120 I was in Boston and I had a great time 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:10.360 with a whole big group of people I went to 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:14.600 college with from fourty five years ago, and we were 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:17.200 all saying, oh, thank god, doing no cell phone cameras, 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:20.760 we'd still be in prison, right and after full House 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:24.840 one day, I think Kim Weiskoff brought us camera to 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:28.559 the writer's room, and there's about eight black and white 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:32.080 photos and that's the only photos that I've ever seen 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:34.160 from the time I was a full house. 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:36.959 Yeah, other than production. 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:39.759 Photos, right, yeah, we have a ton of like set photos. 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.600 But yeah, no, nobody there wasn't from you taking pictures 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:44.640 of what's going on in the writer's room, you know, 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:48.520 exciting about sixteen people sitting around snacking on peanut butter 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:50.240 pretzels and looking in the morning. 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:51.800 To the fact that one of them, I captioned I 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.920 posted once in a caption punching up my suicide note. 0:01:54.760 --> 0:02:02.880 Because for Roath, right, just dark, dark dark, And I 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:06.360 mean that's you know, that's why I have the sense. 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:06.960 Of humor that I do. 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:11.960 Started with Bob and it's right and going down the line. 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.799 It's true. I was gonna say, keeps going downhill, but yeah, 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:15.520 not too. 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:22.040 Was there a particular full house character you wrote more 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:25.120 jokes for, or that you felt particularly drawn to or 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:28.760 connected to, Like, I know you wrote the episode that 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:32.400 features Jesse and you know Joey Stacey and oh yeah Jesse, 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:35.800 which is very Jesse focused. And we had a lot 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.359 of thoughts about that. But what, in your words, what 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:39.720 characters were you most drawn. 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:43.920 Well knew because I knew John personally better than anybody, 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.679 because I came in having already done twenty six episodes 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:48.720 with him on another show. 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:54.240 I knew him socially at that time, so I suppose it. 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:57.640 Was easier for me to find that voice. But I 0:02:57.680 --> 0:02:59.960 know this sounds like I'm sucking up because of the podcast. 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.440 But I really liked Stephanie. I liked the character I 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:05.560 liked and it wasn't and you just said it. It 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:07.919 was the thirty year old in the eight year old body. 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:11.200 It was something about the way you moved on the 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:13.320 stage and behave that I just found. 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:16.720 I just found her funny. You could do more. I 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:19.440 mean basically, I just thought that you had more colors 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:20.040 to play. 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:20.680 Thank you. 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.680 Yeah, Season three Stephanie is iconic. 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:26.000 Like we're going through those episodes now, we have another 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:29.120 one we're reviewing. The car through the Kitchen episode is 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:32.519 one that we're recapping today. Yeah, just so many iconic 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:35.640 episodes starring starring Stephanie's. 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:39.760 Character mister Egghead, that one, Walter the duck Face one. Yeah, Yeah, 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:41.640 it was very I got to have some really fun 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:43.600 storylines for sure. 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:46.120 So great, so great. 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:50.720 Now you did a great job of sort of encompassing 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:58.400 Jesse's relatively egotistic personality with you know, the storyline with 0:03:58.480 --> 0:03:59.080 Becky and. 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:02.760 All of that. Like how did you see Jesse? 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:05.400 I've always wondered, like, how did the writers see Jesse 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:08.280 as a character? Like did they see did they were 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:10.280 they like, oh, he's kind of like he's got a 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:12.080 ways to go to like learn or were they or 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:14.560 was it just this was kind of I mean I 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:18.200 just always like wonder what the writers thought about like Jesse. 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:20.320 Well, here's this is what I'm going to make a 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:23.440 sweeping generalization, but this is what writers think about all 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:29.200 good looking lead actors is that you know, uh, we're 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:31.640 never going to have the life that they have. I mean, 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:35.760 we've got a mirror too, so we don't see what 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:40.440 this is. What I remember when when we were on when. 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:43.800 We were working on You Again before Full House, I 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:45.680 had a next door neighbor. I had this little house 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.440 in Burbay, and uh, John came over one time. 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:54.200 My next door neighbor had a. 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:56.320 A developmentally challenged granddaughter who lived with her and John 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:58.080 get out of the car. He's walking up to the 0:04:58.080 --> 0:04:58.600 front door. 0:04:59.080 --> 0:04:59.760 This one. 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:01.640 She was probably twenty. 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:05.440 Two, but she was functionally about six, and she saw 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:07.880 John and she knew him as Blackie from the soap 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:12.680 op and she went crazy. She just went crazy. And 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:14.599 John went over and sat with her on the front 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:16.479 step of her house to calmer down and blah blah blah, 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:18.720 and then later on brought her to you again and 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:21.479 then actually sent a car and brought her to full 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:22.520 house to a taping. 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:25.479 This is That's such a John thing to do. He 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:27.400 really is such a great. 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.839 A And the reason I'm telling that story is because 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:34.400 I think that John's inherent goodness. I mean that boy 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:38.240 was raised right, Yes, yeah, he was, And I think 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:41.960 that so, you know, while we poked fun at him 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:46.320 because of his ridiculous luck in the genetic lottery that 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:49.760 we did not have and we'll never have, the sweetness 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:53.479 and the inherent goodness I think also was always underlying 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:58.160 the character, so he could have some vanity, but it 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:00.640 wasn't It wasn't ToxS vanity. 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:05.360 Okay, Yeah, that's that's that's an interesting distinction because it's 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:07.159 easy for Jody and I to get caught up in 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:10.160 his in his tantrums and his well. 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:12.719 Also, when you watch the episodes back to back, you're like, 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:14.159 oh my god, he's having. 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:16.839 Another fit overreacting again this man. 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:19.200 But like, you know, over a season, you're like, oh, 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:20.680 there was a week in between, you kind of had 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.000 time to forget that Joey freaked or Jesse freaked out 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.480 episode before last about the same exact thing, and you 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:27.520 you know, but yeah, watching it now, you're. 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.440 Like, what's why, why is he so angry? 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:30.200 Gone down? 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:30.840 You look great? 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:35.120 He gets jealous very very easily, which is. 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.640 You know, you're like, look at it, like you said. 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:38.039 Look at the mirror. 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:38.880 Bro, You're fine. 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:39.919 You know. 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:43.560 The thing is about all right, you know, all especially 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:47.000 comedy in particular, but basically all storytelling is a bunch 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:50.120 of nice people behaving nicely. Is makes a great neighborhood, 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:51.239 but it makes a boring show. 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.080 So great for mister Rogers not so much. 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.839 You need yeah, so, you know, you need lessons to 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.400 be learned in personal failings, and that's where the fun 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:01.880 comes in. 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.200 Otherwise it's just gonna be it's gonna be lovely. 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.000 But right well, it's yeah, it's always the thing. What 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:07.640 are the stakes? 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:09.560 What what is it you know, what is at risk, 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:12.280 what's at play, what's the what's the conflict, you know, 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.240 all that kind of fun stuff. Now, we have not 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:18.800 recapped the Stephanie Gets Framed episode yet because that is 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:22.560 in season four. But this, this was a big one 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:27.000 in uh in Full House history and obviously family matters, 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:30.559 because we actually had Steve Erkele appear on the show. 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:33.640 And I want to say that was like the. 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:37.360 Only crossover we ever did on our on Full House. 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.280 I think Erkele had appeared maybe on another one or something, 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:44.240 but I think we didn't really do. It wasn't like 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:48.800 the like the universes existed together, you know, correct. 0:07:49.080 --> 0:08:00.160 Yeah, Yeah, I was surprising. I mean obviously that was 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:04.200 at the height of Erkelemania, right, and Juliel White was 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:07.160 the star. I mean he was one of these, you know, 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:11.560 snowflake characters that just shows up that the whole country 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.840 just every time he opened his mouth, they just loved him. Yeah, 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:18.600 And so it was it was a natural fit with 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.880 Full House, being a kid with a large kid cast, 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:24.280 it was kind of a natural to bring him in. 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:29.360 As I remember it, when Jeff asked me, uh to 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:33.000 write an episode, he said, we've got Juliel White that week, 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:36.760 so so that that was a given going in. It wasn't. 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:38.960 I didn't come to them and say, hey, you know 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:40.760 everybody would have said. 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:42.120 That, right, right, right. 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.440 So it's basically like, we've got Julil for the for 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:45.920 the week, what is the story? 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:47.480 And why is Erka here with him? 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:47.679 Right? 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:51.240 And he wore glasses, so we thought, well that's you know, 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:53.760 I was thinking about the glasses because of my niece, 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.720 you know, and her eye thing, so and just my own, 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.480 you know, experience as a kid wearing glass is being 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:03.280 four eyes, which I always thought was the dumbest insul 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.679 four eyes. It's like with somebody with hearing age, you. 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:08.480 Go four years, I mean right, yeah, no. 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:10.880 It's just that it's right in front of your face, 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:11.640 so it changes. 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.199 I never understood why people made fun of glasses anyway. 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:16.320 I'm like, what is the what? I don't understand. 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.280 It was always weird to me. I'm like, what a 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:21.040 strange thing to make fun of you? 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:23.400 So you're they work better if you don't keep them 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:24.160 on your head if. 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:27.800 You're well, that's debatable, but. 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:32.480 Did you have to consult with the Family Matters writers 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:34.520 in order to write the character of. 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:39.040 I mean I watched a bunch of episodes. I might 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:42.160 have asked for some because we didn't have you know, 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:45.839 we didn't have the ability to stream anything. So I 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:50.320 might have got a couple of tapes, VHS tapes to 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:51.360 watch the character. 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:52.880 Because you know, when you're working on a show, you 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:53.959 don't get to see anything. 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:57.360 You know, you're in a tunnel and that's it. 0:09:58.360 --> 0:09:58.600 So. 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:01.960 Uh. In fact, Friday nights when it was on, we 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:05.280 were that was tape night for us. We're on stage anyway. 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:07.280 It was probably also why we didn't watch the show 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.720 Friday Nights was when it was on, The show was 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:11.520 on and we were working right. 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.920 Right, so so uh so I'm sure that I did 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:18.719 just to see not just how he sounds, but how 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:23.440 he moves, you know. Uh that because he was he 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:25.160 was the whole package. He had a whole, He. 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:25.520 Had a whole. 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:30.200 Yeah. Yeah, but but that was when we also did 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:32.360 one I remember we did an episode with. 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:37.240 Uh, what's his name, Charles in charge? 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:42.680 Uh oh, Scott Bail got bail, Yes, we already that 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:44.760 was yeah, I remember the Scott Bayo episode. 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.000 There was a lot of episode. 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:53.280 It was ridiculous. 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:56.320 Yeah, and we did the Beach Boys, which was the 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:59.240 second time because we had the Beach Boys on you 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:03.000 again too. Oh yeah. So we did two of those 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:05.440 and that was the fun of that one, was trying 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:07.360 to get all of the Beach Boys on the set 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:11.200 at the same time. We got this incredible I had 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:13.560 it until a few years ago. I probably got tossed, 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.880 but I had this incredible memo that had been sent 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:20.960 from casting about the availability of Al Jardine can be 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:24.240 here between one and three on Tuesday, and Mike Love 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:25.360 can be here from. 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:29.880 Right like you have three minutes to shoot this scene 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:31.520 right right. 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:38.240 Oh yeah, that's the tetra scene of scheduling. 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:42.000 Right as nightmare, Yeah, a nightmare. 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:46.080 What has been, like, your the favorite thing that you 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.280 have worked on in this business? 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:48.520 Done? 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:50.320 I mean, and you don't have to say us because 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:53.079 we're right in front of you, but well. 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:58.080 You know, it's interesting because I've had, to say the least, 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:01.680 an eclectic career in that I've always been a writer, 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:07.720 always been a storyteller, but between sitcoms and the radio business. 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:13.200 Uh and and you know I do a lot of them, 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:16.280 seeing to Singer Speaker series and I did four nights 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:20.880 with Steve Martin and you know why, I just did 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:23.800 Trevor Noah two weeks three weeks ago. 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:30.439 Amazing, Robert Redford and President Bush. You know, lolla, you 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:31.199 stop saying. 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.679 You know. So it's this wide variety and that's been 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:36.959 kind of a really fascinating life. I mean, I certainly 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.000 was pinching myself when I was sitting hester to John 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:41.200 Cleese in front of three thousand people, saying what am 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.040 I doing here? And not in the third balcony with 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:47.640 everything else? But so so that that part has been fun. 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:50.360 And and you know me, I working with my wife, 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:52.679 My wife Penny Piser was and all the President's men 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:53.240 in the in Law. 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:55.679 She played Alan Arkins daughter. She's had a great career 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.040 and the last few years we've been writing books and 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:02.120 she's got this wonderful series of books which I just 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:05.840 happened to have here, well Sonus from Suburbia where she 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:09.880 writes Shakespearean's sonnets but about crap that happens today. 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:13.400 So it's like fun, very entertaining. 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:15.760 And she does a live show called she just actually 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.760 came back from Scotland. She did the Fringe Festival in Edinburgh. 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:20.880 Oh yes, wow, and she's going to do it. 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:22.520 In Hollywood on November fourteenth. 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:26.640 Actually nice to say it, very entertaining, very funny. 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.160 She writes songs and she does that. 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:33.240 And the book is very important to me because Frank's 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.800 Shadow is something that I started twenty five years ago 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:39.800 and it came out last year, and because it's you know, 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.440 when you work on a show, in a lot of ways, 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:45.920 unless you're the show creator, you're rowing somebody else's boat, 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:49.560 someone else's idea, and you have to execute it, hopefully 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:52.080 with skill, but it's. 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:53.280 Still someone else's ideas. 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.800 So Frank Shadow of the novel is something that I'm 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.160 very proud of because whether it's good or bad, it's 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:02.960 at least my good or bad. Yeah, and Penny and 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.600 I made a movie called Well it's actually back there. 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:07.040 I don't know if you can see the poster, but 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:10.000 trying to get good the Jazz Odyssey of Jack Sheldon. 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:13.120 Is it that I saw it behind you there earlier? 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:13.360 Yeah? 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:13.880 Yeah. 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:17.760 We made that feature documentary in two thousand and eight 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:20.840 and it did great, and in fact, I ran it 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:22.520 to Dave Coolier in Kansas City. 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:24.960 We would doing a radio hit. 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:27.600 To promote it at the Kansas City Film Festival and 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:31.520 Dave was on his Clean Comedy tour in the studio. Actually, 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:34.320 it was fun running into him there. So those kinds 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:41.160 of projects have been very creatively nourishing because it's outside 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:43.920 the traditional system. And I actually think that this is 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:49.720 the direction that the arts are headed anyway, as we see, 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.560 there's always going to be some kind of big time 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:54.960 show business where there's a big star and there's lots 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:57.280 of money behind it. But as we've seen with these 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:00.600 strikes and with just you know, and the change in technology, 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:02.880 the fact that you guys have the ability to do 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:06.560 a show like this, right, that we can. We can 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:09.160 create things and get them out to the public. Maybe 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:13.640 not in vast audiences, but you can get to say 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:16.720 your piece where mean you want to express it. And 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:20.120 I think that that's you know, that's both the blessing 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.280 and the challenge, because if you want to find an audience, 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:23.880 you have to figure all those eight hundred. 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:27.240 Thousands, right There's Yeah, the audience is splintered much more now. 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:31.400 But but with that being said, there's also niche audiences 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:35.480 that will watch something that you know, nobody else really knows, 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:37.680 but maybe they've kept it going for you know, four 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:38.800 or five seasons or whatever. 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:40.520 They're very into it, So yeah, there is. 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:43.480 It's sort of a a blessing and a curse. 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:55.080 Like you said, yeah, well, the concept of broadcasting other 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:57.600 than like the World Series or you know, the Super 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:58.400 Bowl things. 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:00.960 Like that, Yeah, Dodgers doesn't exists anymore. 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:05.800 It's really it's really micro microcasting you find in Nahue 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.640 and then you super serve that audience and you know, 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:11.320 might not get rich, but you can have a life 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:15.040 where you're it's fulfilling because you're doing what you dreamt 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:16.200 of doing when you were a kid. 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:19.240 Right, yeah, I mean it sounds like you have done 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:29.720 so many really interesting, incredible, varied things in creating, in writing, 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.960 you know, like what a what a really amazing career, 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:34.200 like how much fun? 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:34.480 You know? 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:38.080 I always I always like to tell people in this business, like, 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:39.960 you know, look, just do a little bit of everything, 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:42.680 you know, just kind of don't don't say no, just 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.360 try and figure out you know, little bits here and there, 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:48.400 and and I find it makes for a much more 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:49.320 interesting ride. 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:50.520 But I would love to. 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:53.520 Hear what would what would be your best piece of 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:58.360 advice for like a young aspiring writer or maybe not 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:02.600 even a young aspiring but and aspire writer, what is 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:06.520 the best piece of advice that you wish you would 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:08.560 have heard or that you heard that really stuck with you. 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:14.639 Well, the first and foremost writers have one great advantage 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:18.359 over everybody else, certainly in the movie slash television business, 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:19.480 and that if you're an. 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:23.480 Actor, you need a production in order to do your craft. 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:26.439 I mean, yes, you can take classes and you can, 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:28.840 but you need a production, even if it's in a 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:31.840 black box theater on Santa Monica Boulevard and you have 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:36.280 to work your way past three street walkers and to 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:41.080 get into the building. But writers, you know your performance 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.520 is on that keyboarder. It's you know, it's it's with 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:48.760 a pencil. Just keep writing, Always write, and always write down. 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:51.679 I mean, keep a notebook. I mean, however, you do 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:53.639 it on your phone texted to yourself. But when you 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:56.600 see somebody like I just you know, when you see 0:17:56.640 --> 0:18:01.679 a quirky piece of behavior, remember it because it's a 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:05.439 character trade, you know. I mean, I just saw a 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:09.120 guy who, for whatever reason, walks on his toes. 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:12.040 He just has a quirk in the way he walks. 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.400 He walks on his toes, And you say, well, I'm 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:17.960 not going to forget that I remember, in fact, it's 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:19.960 in my book when I was in Greenwich Village. This 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.880 has got to be it's more than forty years ago, 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:24.760 because I was still living in New York and I'm 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.520 walking to meet a friend in the village and there's 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:31.919 an older, silver haired Italian gentleman walking towards me in 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.040 these leather shoes and it sounds like he's got tap 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:35.800 shoes on because you can hear him click, and coming 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:38.720 towards me. It's wearing this white silk shirt and as 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:40.639 he passes me, he nods. And the shirt is, you know, 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:43.280 it's an unbuttoned to like the eighth button right. 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:44.840 And as he passed me, he's. 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:49.080 Got a blue lace bra on, a blue lace bra 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:52.080 and clearly proud of it because he's got the shirt 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.399 undone me. And he just sort of nods as he 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:58.879 goes by. And I have no idea why, but that's 0:18:58.960 --> 0:18:59.919 how he chose to go. 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:06.000 I said, look, cute, you do a little note. 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:09.479 And somewhere along the line years later, you know that 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:12.520 that that little quirky thing. Gary marsh used to say, 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:13.720 put it in your movie basket. 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:17.119 Yeah, you know, just. 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:17.280 Just a joke. 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:19.520 Gets caught at the table reading it doesn't make it 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:23.480 to air. But if it was structurally a good joke, 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:26.480 you'll never forget the mechanics of how it works, and 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:29.720 you'll and sooner or later that will come around again 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.320 and you'll be the person that has the perfect joke 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:33.240 at the perfect time. 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:37.560 So you just don't throw it away. And I think that, 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:39.720 But you have to write. If you want to be 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:41.320 a writer, you have to and you have to read. 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:45.000 I mean, I cannot emphasize how important reading is. 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:45.600 You have to. 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:51.399 You know, have to master your material, right, uh. 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:53.560 And the part of that comes from seeing how other 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:55.480 writers have done it. 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:58.000 It's true, seeing what you like, what you don't like. 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:00.639 You know, there's definitely look you where you're like, oh, 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:01.080 I don't. 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:06.840