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Speaker 1: Hey, they're fan.

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Speaker 2: Rito's welcome to another episode of How Rude Tanaritos. Today

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Speaker 2: we will be continuing our interview with the talented writer

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Speaker 2: Doug McIntyre. He wrote some unforgettable episodes that fans cherish

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Speaker 2: and love, so we're extremely excited for you to hear

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Speaker 2: the rest of this interview. LEEZ, Welcome back, Doug.

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Speaker 3: I think that's right now. That's why if you had

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Speaker 3: put the writers on camera, the show would have been

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Speaker 3: forgotten while it was still ontaving.

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Speaker 4: Well, look, I've learned most writers the one thing they

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Speaker 4: don't want to do is be in front of the camera.

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Speaker 4: They're like, no, no, no, no no no no no no

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Speaker 4: no no no.

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Speaker 1: No no, that's somebody else's gig.

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Speaker 3: That's nothing that's fun about. But this is true of

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Speaker 3: my whole life, because you know, for younger people who

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Speaker 3: grew up with cell phone cameras. I just last week

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Speaker 3: I was in Boston and I had a great time

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Speaker 3: with a whole big group of people I went to

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Speaker 3: college with from fourty five years ago, and we were

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Speaker 3: all saying, oh, thank god, doing no cell phone cameras,

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Speaker 3: we'd still be in prison, right and after full House

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Speaker 3: one day, I think Kim Weiskoff brought us camera to

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Speaker 3: the writer's room, and there's about eight black and white

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Speaker 3: photos and that's the only photos that I've ever seen

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Speaker 3: from the time I was a full house.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, other than production.

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Speaker 1: Photos, right, yeah, we have a ton of like set photos.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, no, nobody there wasn't from you taking pictures

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Speaker 4: of what's going on in the writer's room, you know,

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Speaker 4: exciting about sixteen people sitting around snacking on peanut butter

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Speaker 4: pretzels and looking in the morning.

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Speaker 3: To the fact that one of them, I captioned I

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Speaker 3: posted once in a caption punching up my suicide note.

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Speaker 4: Because for Roath, right, just dark, dark dark, And I

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Speaker 4: mean that's you know, that's why I have the sense.

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Speaker 1: Of humor that I do.

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Speaker 6: Started with Bob and it's right and going down the line.

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Speaker 1: It's true. I was gonna say, keeps going downhill, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: Was there a particular full house character you wrote more

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Speaker 2: jokes for, or that you felt particularly drawn to or

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Speaker 2: features Jesse and you know Joey Stacey and oh yeah Jesse,

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Speaker 2: which is very Jesse focused. And we had a lot

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Speaker 2: of thoughts about that. But what, in your words, what

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Speaker 3: Well knew because I knew John personally better than anybody,

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Speaker 3: because I came in having already done twenty six episodes

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Speaker 5: I knew him socially at that time, so I suppose it.

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Speaker 3: Was easier for me to find that voice. But I

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Speaker 3: know this sounds like I'm sucking up because of the podcast.

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Speaker 3: But I really liked Stephanie. I liked the character I

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Speaker 3: liked and it wasn't and you just said it. It

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Speaker 3: was the thirty year old in the eight year old body.

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Speaker 3: It was something about the way you moved on the

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Speaker 5: I just found her funny. You could do more. I

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Speaker 5: mean basically, I just thought that you had more colors

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Speaker 5: to play.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Season three Stephanie is iconic.

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Speaker 2: Like we're going through those episodes now, we have another

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Speaker 2: one we're reviewing. The car through the Kitchen episode is

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Speaker 2: one that we're recapping today. Yeah, just so many iconic

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Speaker 4: Character mister Egghead, that one, Walter the duck Face one. Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it was very I got to have some really fun

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Speaker 6: So great, so great.

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Speaker 4: Now you did a great job of sort of encompassing

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Speaker 4: Jesse's relatively egotistic personality with you know, the storyline with

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Speaker 1: All of that. Like how did you see Jesse?

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Speaker 4: I've always wondered, like, how did the writers see Jesse

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Speaker 3: Well, here's this is what I'm going to make a

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Speaker 5: We were working on You Again before Full House, I

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Speaker 5: A developmentally challenged granddaughter who lived with her and John

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Speaker 1: This is That's such a John thing to do. He

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Speaker 3: A And the reason I'm telling that story is because

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Speaker 3: I think that John's inherent goodness. I mean that boy

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Speaker 3: and the inherent goodness I think also was always underlying

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's that's that's an interesting distinction because it's

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Speaker 6: He gets jealous very very easily, which is.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're like, look at it, like you said.

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Speaker 3: Look at the mirror.

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Speaker 1: Bro, You're fine.

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Speaker 3: The thing is about all right, you know, all especially

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Speaker 1: So great for mister Rogers not so much.

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Speaker 3: You need yeah, so, you know, you need lessons to

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Speaker 5: Otherwise it's just gonna be it's gonna be lovely.

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Speaker 4: What what is it you know, what is at risk,

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Speaker 4: all that kind of fun stuff. Now, we have not

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Speaker 4: recapped the Stephanie Gets Framed episode yet because that is

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Speaker 4: Only crossover we ever did on our on Full House.

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Speaker 3: As I remember it, when Jeff asked me, uh to

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Speaker 3: And why is Erka here with him?

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Speaker 3: And he wore glasses, so we thought, well that's you know,

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Speaker 1: I never understood why people made fun of glasses anyway.

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Speaker 3: So you're they work better if you don't keep them

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Speaker 3: I mean I watched a bunch of episodes. I might

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Speaker 5: Because you know, when you're working on a show, you

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Speaker 1: You know, you're in a tunnel and that's it.

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Speaker 4: It was probably also why we didn't watch the show

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Speaker 3: insights into life, which makes whatever passes for your art deeper.

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Speaker 1: For sure, for sure.

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Speaker 4: There, I mean I was, you know, I love to

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Speaker 4: go back and read plays or things that I, you know,

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Speaker 4: did in an acting class when I was in my

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Speaker 4: early twenties, and then go back and read them or

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Speaker 4: look at them now and I'm like, oh my god,

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Speaker 4: this is there's so much here, you know, like that

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Speaker 4: I just I didn't even get because I'd never felt

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Speaker 4: that or I never got that layer.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's yeah, it really is.

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Speaker 4: Your perspective changes, and yeah, I just I love that advice.

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Speaker 5: Well, there's a there's a famous story that is right

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Speaker 5: on that point.

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Speaker 3: They did a revival with Dustin Hoffman of Death of

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Speaker 3: a Salesman in New York.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I remember that.

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Speaker 3: And Arthur Miller started sending new page to the actors.

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Speaker 5: Wow, And the producer said to say, Arthur, the audience's

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Speaker 5: lips are moving. Everybody knows, knows, you can't change it.

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Speaker 5: But he was a seventy five year old Arthur Miller

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Speaker 5: looking at the rehearsals and he had a different insight

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Speaker 5: into the characters, and they had to make him not

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Speaker 5: change it.

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Speaker 6: Oh wow, yeah, oh for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You just you look back and you're like, no, wait,

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Speaker 1: I would who would do that? This is?

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Speaker 4: Or what a more interesting choice? Or what if this happen? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's just with that whole life experience thing.

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Speaker 2: You know, as a writer, you never stop rewriting or

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Speaker 2: editing yourself. It's just you have to have someone force

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Speaker 2: you to stop.

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Speaker 3: All take it from you. Yeah, even with the book,

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Speaker 3: at some point the publisher just says, no this on Tuesday,

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Speaker 3: there are no more chance going to the printer.

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Speaker 1: You're done.

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Speaker 3: You know you're done. They take it from you. And

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Speaker 3: at some point that's true. But if you you know,

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Speaker 3: you have the luxure. There's a wonderful painter named Mitchell Johnson,

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Speaker 3: a big fan of his work and He'll let paintings

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Speaker 3: sit for years, uh huh, then he'll pick him up

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Speaker 3: again and completely change the colors and everything.

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Speaker 5: And it's fascinating to watch him do that.

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Speaker 3: He just sees it differently, you know, we have that

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Speaker 3: luxury full House is going to be full House the

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Speaker 3: way it was Shocked.

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Speaker 4: It's going to be the way it was for yeah,

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Speaker 4: and you know what, And it's fun to go back

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Speaker 4: and and revisit it and watch it and see, yeah,

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Speaker 4: where we've come as as people as humans in our

495
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Speaker 4: adult life. How differently the show hits watching it having

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Speaker 4: kids now, I mean, you know all of it. But

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Speaker 4: you were such an important part of that show, Doug,

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Speaker 4: and you wrote some really great episodes. So we we

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Speaker 4: have just loved having you on the show today and

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Speaker 4: being able to talk to you and pick your brain

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Speaker 4: about a fascinating career and some great writing advice. I

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Speaker 4: mean it, just thank you so much for joining us today.

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Speaker 3: Oh again, thanks so much for remembering I was there.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Doug. We appreciate it. That was

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Speaker 1: so fun that he's so great.

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Speaker 2: Writers are so good at telling stories, you know, they're

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Speaker 2: just it's got a story teed up.

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Speaker 6: I love that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, exceptions so great and yeah if you live in

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Speaker 4: LA I mean, I definitely it's funny. I don't know

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Speaker 4: that I ever put it together though, Doug McIntyre on

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Speaker 4: the radio.

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Speaker 1: I never connected in the morning. Yeah. I think my

515
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Speaker 1: mom usul is in that all the time.

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Speaker 4: I don't even know if she knew, you know, like,

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Speaker 4: but yeah, that's uh yeah, I definitely know I know him.

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Speaker 1: So it's funny that, you know.

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Speaker 4: You're like, oh, that's right, Yeah, you were you were

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Speaker 4: in our world for a little while or we were

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Speaker 4: in yours or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that was really really interesting. Good writing advice too.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that was solid. I'm telling I'm not exaggerating.

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Speaker 6: I'm feeling inspired. I'm going to go right after we're

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Speaker 6: done with this.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to go think about it and then probably

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Speaker 4: not do it, because that's usually what happens. Like I

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Speaker 4: should write that down and then I wait, squirrel, yeah right,

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Speaker 4: yeah exactly exactly. If I could see that's the thing

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Speaker 4: is like the neurallink thing, I'm like, oh, then I

531
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Speaker 4: could just like write like think notes and then I'm like,

532
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Speaker 4: but that's that's not good.

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Speaker 1: That's not we don't want brain implants. That's very bad.

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Speaker 1: That's scary. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, we don't want it.

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Speaker 6: I'd be afraid to read those.

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Speaker 4: Well no, but I mean, like, you know, it's sort

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Speaker 4: of that thing where like, oh, if I could just

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Speaker 4: like transfer that thought, like as I'm laying and trying

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Speaker 4: to fall asleep and download that onto something rather than

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Speaker 4: wake myself up and write it down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, or even voice noted. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, great interview though, Really glad that we got him

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Speaker 2: on the show and got to pick his brain.

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Speaker 6: What I had a great career too, what an eclectic.

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Speaker 2: Seriously and a really nice yeah, very very lovely.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you so much fan Ritos for joining us today.

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Speaker 4: We have really enjoyed this episode. We hope you have

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Speaker 4: two and remember if you are following us on Instagram,

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Speaker 4: We do a fan question episode sometimes, you know, just

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Speaker 4: liking and subscribing to the podcast wherever you're listening to it.

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Speaker 4: That way, you will get all of the newest episodes

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Speaker 4: as soon as they come out, so you don't have

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Speaker 4: to wait or look for them.

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Speaker 1: They're just they're going to be right there on your phone.

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Speaker 2: Yep, everywhere you look, instant download, just like we were

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Speaker 2: talking about, you know, and you want that right in

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Speaker 2: your brain first.

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Speaker 4: Well but yeah, but no brain implance. I think that's

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Speaker 4: I think I think that's a bad idea. I just

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Speaker 4: don't think it's gonna go. Well, guys, I'm putting that

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Speaker 4: on record now, I think I need to say that.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, thank you guys so much for listening. Another

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Speaker 4: fun and fabulous episode of How Rude Tanner Rito Is

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Speaker 4: and we will see you next time.

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Speaker 1: And remember the world is small. Oh damn it.

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Speaker 6: Did you lose it?

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Speaker 1: I lost it?

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Speaker 6: The world is small.

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Speaker 1: I need to see this is what I mean. World

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Speaker 1: is there?

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Speaker 6: Room is full of snacks.

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Speaker 1: There we go. The world is small, but the writer's

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Speaker 1: room is full of snacks. Yeah, I think you got this.

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Speaker 6: You're the I'll pinch it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think, thanks, and I forget to write them down.

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Speaker 4: Okay, remember everybody, the world is small, but the writer's

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Speaker 4: room is full of snacks.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, that was great. Touching world m