WEBVTT - Homeschooling: Not Just For Hippies and Religious People Anymore 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:04.040 Welcome to you stuff you should know from house stuff 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:12.160 Works dot com. Hey, I'm welcome to the podcast. I'm 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:15.200 Josh Clark. There's Charles W Chuck Bryant and Knowles with 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:20.360 us again, which means it's stuff it sounds I can 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:23.080 spell up the cliff I did. That would have been 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:25.480 good for the clip diving episode, remember that one man. 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:32.040 That was interesting. Uh you have parents, Chuck, who we're 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:37.959 both educators, right, um dead principal, mom, teacher And Uh. 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:40.400 I was wondering while I was researching this, because we're 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:43.720 talking about home school today. I wasn't homeschooled. You weren't homeschooled. 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:46.040 Now in a way, you were home schooled, because you're 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:50.440 right exactly. Um, but I wondered, like, if you were 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.120 raised with any kind of opinions one way or another 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:57.080 on home schooling because of both your parents professions. No, 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:00.440 not at all, because when I was in school. Uh, 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:04.600 and when you were in school, it wasn't super popular. Uh. 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:06.720 Well it may have been illegal for in a lot 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:09.160 of places. Yeah, I guess that's a good point to 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:16.440 bring up. Um schooling education history one. Uh it started 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:20.399 compulsory school attendant started in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts in 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:25.360 eighteen fifty two, and by nineteen eighteen, UM Mississippi of 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:29.480 course was the last state to I'm so sorry Mississippi, 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:33.960 it was the last state to to UM demand compulsory 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:37.240 attendance by law. Uh. And then for many years it 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:39.640 was that way, like you had to go to school 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:44.680 between until like what the was the seventies. Uh, that 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:46.800 was when I think the movement really started, but I 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:51.040 think possibly into the nineties, like there were states where 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.440 you had to go to school. Yeah, and we should 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:57.320 point out up front that every state is different when 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:00.520 it comes to laws about home schooling. So this is 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:03.880 a super high view. UM. We would have to do 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:06.440 fifty podcasts to really get into the nitty gritty of 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:10.200 of the the finer points of homeschooling in each state 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:12.680 for sure. So yeah, we're gonna do an overview. But 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:17.600 you are right, like homeschooling was, it wasn't around until 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.440 like they started to really there was a group of 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:25.360 grassroots people who got together and started organizing UM and 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:30.440 got homeschooling laws passed. Apparently they were trying really hard 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:32.680 to get the Supreme Court to rule on a case 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:36.040 a homeschool in case once and for all that would 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.680 give it some sort of constitutional or federal protection that 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:42.360 may lead to like a federal law or mandate, but 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:45.280 they haven't gotten to that point. Instead, it's just been 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:48.120 state by state, which is fine. Very few kids go 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:53.280 to school interstate, right yeah, um, or interstate, I should say, 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:56.680 But there's no federal legislation. It's like you say, all 0:02:56.760 --> 0:03:01.080 the states have different laws that they all have homeschooling 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:03.680 or allow for homeschooling, which is pretty amazing in and 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:07.440 of itself, considering in nineteen seventy it was illegal. And 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:09.320 hold on, let me say one more thing to chuck. 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:13.360 There's an article out there called a five Year Moment. 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:16.919 It's on a new magazine called Muria M O O 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.280 R I A. And the article was written by a 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:22.960 guy named Dougald Hind, who is an awesome thinker who 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:26.280 I believe is Scottish. I've only seen him online. Um, 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:30.079 but this is an amazing best article I've read in 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:33.160 years as far as content goes. But one of the 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:36.360 things he touches on is compulsory education and the history 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:40.400 of it and how it was used to basically turn 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:46.720 children into responsible, unquestioning little drones. And this is what 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:52.040 originally gave birth to the homeschool movement. Yeah, like I 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:54.440 want to be more in control of how my child, 0:03:54.640 --> 0:04:00.400 how and what my child gets educated because that's free 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.839 public education. Does it in doctor nats your children? And 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.960 for some people it's like, great, this is free daycare 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:10.480 because I work, my husband works, or it's just me 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:13.160 and I work, and I've got to have a place 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:16.080 for my kids. And if they're learning along the way, awesome. 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:20.120 So there there is something that that free public education 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.680 gives to people. But a lot of people said, I 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:25.360 want to I want a better a better hand in 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:27.000 that because you don't really have much to say in 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:29.760 what your kids are taught in public school. Yeah, there 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:34.120 are polls conducted and generally, UM, states like to keep 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:38.760 track of why you are homeschooling so they can theoretically, 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.720 I guess, get better at their public schooling. So when 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:45.320 you in most states, when you apply to homeschool you 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:48.640 you have to give a reason. And um, this study 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:50.120 was actually from a while ago, but I saw a 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.599 recent one that the numbers are pretty close, So I 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:56.560 think the reasons are fairly consistent. About thirty percent or 0:04:56.640 --> 0:05:00.120 so say it's out of concern about the environment of 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:05.359 the school, about or for religious or moral reasons, so 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.800 they could you know, a lot of you know, a 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.880 lot of Christians are up in arms about the secularization 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.680 of schooling over the years, and they want to be 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:17.000 able to teach their kids, um, stuff from the Bible 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:20.680 and stuff you know, regular like curriculum. Uh, and then 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:26.640 about six because they're dissatisfied, basically dissatisfied with the instruction 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:30.599 and either the curriculum or the teaching. Like I don't 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:32.800 think they're getting a good enough education. Escially, if I 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.000 put my kid through this meat grinder, I don't think 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:37.360 they're gonna come out as smart as I want them 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:40.120 to be. So I'm going to teach them myself. Yeah, 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.839 and this is not an indictment of teachers or public schools, 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:46.839 because boy, we know how hard you people work and 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:49.719 how what you're up against. Yes, but I went to 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:54.760 public school, and I just used the word myselves. Yeah, 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:58.239 but you're a big shot podcaster, That's true. A couple 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:01.560 of sort of not so fun things up front about taxes, 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.680 because I started wondering, if you're homeschool and your kid a, 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.400 do you get tax breaks because you're buying this stuff 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:11.080 the curriculum and be do you have to pay taxes 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:14.680 education taxes for your kid that's not going to public school. So, 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:18.760 since there's no federal law requirement or mandate or anything 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.400 regarding homeschooling, I would guess you have zero tax break 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:24.400 on the federal level, but probably on in state level. 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:27.359 In some states you would write boom, federal government doesn't 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:30.880 offer anything right now. Uh, some states, I think Illinois, Louisiana, 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:34.640 Minnesota offer tax credits you can write off a lot 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:39.159 of stuff. Um. I think in Louisiana specifically applies to 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:43.160 eligible expenses during a year up to five thousand dollars 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:45.920 per kid. Oh that's that's a nice break. Yeah, it's 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.080 not too bad. Well. Plus, also, you remember there was 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:51.960 this huge movement to get um tuition vouchers given to 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.520 kids to go to private school, like lower income kids, 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:59.360 to get more of a mixture of people in private schools. 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:01.880 Apparently in some states you can take that voucher and 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:05.120 just use it to fund your home school. Yeah. Um, 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:08.279 so that's actually opening up the home schooling door for 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:12.640 a lot of people who didn't have that opportunity before. 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:15.000 They just couldn't afford it. One way or another. Yeah, 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:17.400 and things are changing every year, so it's I mean, 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:19.840 this will be out of date a year from now. Um, 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:23.119 and now Ohio had it on the docket to consider. Uh, 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.440 they were voting, I think, to decrease property taxes if 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:28.360 you were a homeschool home. But I couldn't find Sometimes 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:31.120 it's fun. It's hard to find where the Senate bills. 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:34.080 Sometimes they just seem to disappear, which that means they 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.520 haven't been voted on. I guess no. I think that 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:39.640 the people like, really the senators really rallied behind them 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:42.520 around election time and then get re elected and they're like, 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:47.440 I got kickbacks to go. Get bothered with this stuff. 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:50.280 That's disappointing. And then California is one of twelve states 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:55.480 where homeschooling is um considered a private school exemption. So 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:58.040 you're sort of your own private school in the state 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:00.520 of California. You don't paid property tax. Is there anything 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:02.600 like that. I'm not sure about that for taxes, but 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:07.480 they basically consider you part of the private school pool. 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.920 That taxing, though, too, is a real reason. There's a 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:16.400 big there's a tug of war between homeschool people and 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.800 public school administrators, because for every pupil you have in 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:24.600 your school, you get X number of federal dollars. And 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:27.880 you start to lose kids to home school then you're 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:31.240 losing federal funding and your whole school suffers because it's 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.880 not like that money covers that kid down to the penny. 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:38.440 It frequently goes over and you can use that for 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:41.559 the school and for all this other stuff. So, um, 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.400 there's a I don't want to call it a vicious 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:49.040 cycle because it's not like, um, that's a pretty good 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:52.439 term for it. Actually, the public schools are perceived as 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:57.280 failing in their mission, so they lose students, and by 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:01.040 losing students to homeschooling, they lose funding, and so they 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.839 are doomed to fail even further in their mission. So that, yeah, 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:07.040 that's a pretty vicious cycle now I think about it. Yeah, 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:11.120 but they m The real truth is there aren't that 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:14.840 many kids that are home schooled still. Um three three 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:16.720 something is that where you got? Yeah, I saw a 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:19.520 more recent one. I got anywhere from one point seven 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:22.280 to two points something. But oh, I thought you're gonna 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:25.560 stay percentage. Yeah, I saw one point seven seven million. Yeah, 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:29.839 but of the overall school age population. Yeah, but I've 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:32.480 heard those numbers could be higher, as much as double, 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:36.760 just because um, it's I guess it's not counted. It's 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:40.000 a tough thing to count. Well, yeah, an aggregator or 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:43.520 maybe no one cares to. School districts have a lot 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:47.959 of reason to fudge numbers on the lower end. Yeah, 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.520 but that's up about from just like seven or eight 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.240 years ago. Well, that's actually double from fifteen years ago, 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:55.680 So there's a very steady increase. And I think the 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:58.319 reason that it's increasing, I mean doubling over fifteen years, 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:01.880 it's pretty significant, even gonna be like in fifty years, right, Uh. 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:03.880 And I think the reason that it's just picking up 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.280 steam and it's spreading more and more is because the 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.920 more people that have done it, Because the people who 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:12.400 originally started homeschooling had to figure all of this out 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:17.479 on their own, and there were very few homeschool textbooks available, 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:22.120 very few resources, very few websites, very few groups. So 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:24.839 the more people that tried it and were successful and 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:30.280 built momentum. Now, homeschooling is not some scary, weird thing 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:33.920 that parents who only let their kids watch PBS do. 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:38.040 It's it's like a viable option for a parent who 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:41.360 is considering where they want to send their kid to school. Yeah, 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:43.679 my brother and his wife homeschool their kids for a 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:48.040 couple of years and it went great. Because it's my brother. 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:51.920 He built a full on classroom. Quite sure, it was 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:54.880 awesome and um, you know you well, we'll get into it, 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:58.199 but it's it's something that you should treat like that. Um. 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:00.840 And they eventually went back to public school because they 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:03.560 wanted the kids wanted to but um, it was you know, 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:04.839 it was great for a couple of years, I think 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:07.800 for for everyone involved. So let's let's dig into this, Chuck, Like, 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.679 what are the considerations. I mean, this isn't something like 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:13.680 you just hit upon it. This isn't something you take lightly. No, 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:16.080 not at all. So Chuck, let's dig into it and 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.120 figure out what the considerations are. Because you just hit 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.640 upon it. This isn't something to take lightly. We'll do 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:26.480 that right after this. You're right, Josh, as you said 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:28.280 before the break, it is not something to take lightly. 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:30.920 You want to do a lot of research beforehand and 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:34.840 ask a lot of tough questions of yourself, of your child, 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.000 and maybe get some good books. There are a few 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:41.600 recommendations here in this article Real Life Homeschooling by Ronda 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:45.240 Barfield tells a lot of stories about homeschooling families which 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:49.640 can help homeschooling for Success by Rebecca Kulk and Duffa 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:53.319 and Elizabeth Conna. There's another going to check out in 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:56.160 the Homeschooling Almanac by Mary and Michael Leppard. And there 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:59.680 are scores and scores of more books, but read some 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.280 of the start thinking about it. Can you afford it? 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:04.839 Is the first question? Well, the first question I think 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:07.439 is why? Well, yeah, good point. Why do you want 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.120 to do this? Yeah? And Catherine Near, who wrote this 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:13.880 article How Homeschooling Works, says, be as explicit as you 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:16.120 can be, so use a lot of curse words in 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:20.120 your answer to yourself. But you you have to wonder why. 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.720 And that's probably a pretty easy question for most parents 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.480 who are considering homeschooling to answer. Yeah, you probably got 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:27.960 that reason already in your head, right. But if if, 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:30.680 if your answer is like, because I don't want to 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:32.960 let my child out of my sight ever for the 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:36.120 rest of his life, it's not maybe you should talk 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.800 to some other people about that idea and see if 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:40.640 they can talk you out of homeschooling. Yeah, that's a 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:44.240 good point. Um. The next question that I alluded to 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.920 is can you afford it? Because, uh, there's a couple 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:50.640 of expenses. One or all the things that you need 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:53.800 to buy to support the education, all those field trips 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.520 to those aren't cheap. Sure, all that stuff costs money. Um. 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.640 And the other one is depending on your situation in 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:03.120 your house, you may be dropping a salary if you're 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:05.720 not going to take a job as as a spouse 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:08.480 to homeschool your kids. Yeah. That's in economics called an 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:10.920 opportunity cost, and that is a big one for a 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:13.680 lot of people. That's what's prohibited a lot of people 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:17.080 from being able to go to homeschool their kids, like 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:20.480 they just can't afford it. Sure, So that's why those 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:22.760 tuition vouchers have come into play and helped a lot 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:28.600 more people be homeschool teachers because you can use that Yeah. Um, 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:31.760 that's not to say. I mean with today's modern work 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:36.840 trends like telecommuting, working from home, creative scheduling, you can 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:38.839 tag team it with the parents or you know, you 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.160 might can work it out where you both still have 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:44.040 an income and you can home school. But when you 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:46.520 traditionally think of homeschooling. You think of like one of 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:50.240 the parents isn't gonna work and they're gonna be the teacher, right. Um. 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:54.679 Another option for you, too, is to have grandparents do it. 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:58.719 Umi's boss never thought about that. Umi's Boss's daughter is 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:03.199 just sharp as a tag. She's homeschooled by her grandparents. 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.600 So yeah, they're responsible for her education and they're apparently 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:08.199 doing like a bang up job with it. I bet 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:11.480 that's a very patient teacher too, the grandparent. Yeah, that 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:14.640 a good scene. Yeah, But but the point is with 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:18.560 the grandparents, they're already retired, they already have income, and 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:21.880 if you have money from your job, you can kick 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:25.720 them a little bit too. Yeah, so everybody would. Yeah. Plus, 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:27.480 you're not doing that parent thing where you're just trying 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:29.000 to like a little make a little mini version of 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:33.560 yourself that narcissistic like here where this ramon shirt and um, 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:37.600 I'm gonna give you a mohawk and an earring at seven. Man. 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:39.720 Grandparents don't care about that. They just want the best 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.440 for you. They're mellow, they're mellow, all right. The next 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:46.400 question is are you qualified, um to teach just because 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.320 you have a college degree or a high school degree 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.200 doesn't mean you're going to be a good teacher, right, 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:54.040 And and the whole concept of homeschooling too, I think, 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.480 kind of comes out of this sense that you are 0:14:56.600 --> 0:15:01.160 qualified because kids, not every kid, but a lot of 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.480 kids are homeschooled in some way, shape or form sure, 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:08.640 where they learn to read or recognize words, or how 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.360 to run or walk or crawl or all the stuff 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:14.440 they learned before they have to go to school. Um, 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:16.760 I want that head start, you know these days. Right, 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.640 But even even without a head star, even just basically 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:23.920 being there absorbing the information that you get from a 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:27.360 family and from being around family members, that that is 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:30.320 a form of homeschooling. And a lot of people think like, hey, 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:32.440 we're on a roll with this stuff. Let's keep it 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:36.080 going and I'll be this kid's teacher. Yeah, it's something 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:39.360 to think about for sure. Um, you want to think 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:42.520 about your kid and talk to your child, like do 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.680 you want to be homeschooled? What do you think about it? Uh? 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:48.520 They may be ready, they may be not ready. Do 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:51.640 you want to I wouldn't say treat them like adults, 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.680 but treat them as if they have their own opinion 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:57.800 Because they do. You know, it's probably not something you 0:15:57.840 --> 0:15:59.760 want to force on your kid if they really really 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.640 want to go to a public school. Uh, of course. 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:04.920 You know, everyone's gonna make their own decision about their children, 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:07.080 not gonna tell you how to parent. But I think 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.000 it's a good idea to have a good, open, honest 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:12.160 line of dialogue with your kid about homeschooling first. And 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:14.040 I mean if your kid is just dug in like 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:17.480 I do not want to spend all day every day 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:21.640 with you, like it's not going to work. Yeah, maybe 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:23.960 you should consider that answer. Yeah, and it doesn't it's 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:26.040 not doesn't have to be the final word either. You can, 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:27.640 like my brother, they did it for a couple of 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:30.280 years and you can try it and see if it works. 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:36.000 And it's not like the public school is gonna say nope, Smarty, 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:41.280 you left us, you abandoned us. Then that'd be weird. Principles. 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:44.440 Just guy's arms crossed at the watchfront door. That's how 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:47.960 local government works. So let's say everybody's on board, Chuck, 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:52.440 everyone's on board. Um, you gotta get in touch with 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:55.800 your state and find out exactly what the rules are 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:59.040 to do this legally incorrectly, right, and Catherine Near says, 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:04.119 don't just look at synopsis of laws, go to your 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:08.639 state's education website and find out the laws. And she 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:12.719 uses these, um these, she uses North Carolina as an example. So, 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:15.840 for example, in North Carolina, you would have to you 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.840 file a notice of intent, which basically says you don't 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:20.440 need to worry about my kid. I got I got 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:24.960 my kid covered. And why right you would? Yeah? Why, um? 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:27.640 Am I doing this for religious reasons? Am I doing 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.640 it because the bullies are really bad at the local school? Whatever? 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.719 And that would also be your claim for whether you 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:39.080 were a religious school or just an independent non public school. Um, 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.639 you in North Carolina have to have at least diploma 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.200 or g e d from high school level to be 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:49.280 a qualified homeschool teacher. That's probably a pretty good idea. Whatever. 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:53.600 North Carolina is obviously a nanny state. Um. And then, uh, 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:56.040 you need to keep track of attendance. You also need 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:59.720 to do immunizations, which I was kind of surprised by. Yeah, 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:01.600 I don't know if that's still accurate in North Carolina. 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.680 Looked up. Yeah, the only one that's not on here 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:09.400 is annual standardized testing. Well, this is North Carolina because 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:12.320 that's where Catherine lives, right, and that's the only states 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:16.840 website that they're allowed access to. UM. But like we said, 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:19.119 every state is going to be different as according to 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:24.280 like UM, whether or not you have to pass standardized tests, 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:28.960 whether or not how many quote unquote vacational holidays are 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:32.480 allowed during the calendar year, what months of the year 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:35.520 you were required to be in school. Some states, there's 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:38.080 eleven states out there. They're like, you don't have to 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:40.520 tell us anything, just do what you want. You don't 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.440 even need to tell us your homeschooling your kid. That's 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:47.560 that's pretty cool. Yeah, you know, UM those are there's eleven, 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:52.080 there's two or three that UM. One of the homeschool 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:58.520 associations quality say is UM like highly regulated, like New York, 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:00.760 like we'll have people come visit at your house to 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:04.320 make sure you're doing things right. UM, and then most 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:07.360 other states fall in between where it's kind of like, yeah, 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:10.480 you have to tell us what you're doing, but UM, 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:13.280 other than that, it's your's your show, yeah, and that 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:15.879 this might inform your decision on whether or not you 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:17.919 want to follow through on it too, depending on what 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:20.360 how lacks your state is, I mean lax but how 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:23.560 permissive I guess, or whether or not they have like 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:25.239 a lot of rigid standards that you're trying to get 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:27.960 away from in the first place, like standardized testing, which 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:32.240 a whole different kind of worms. Uh. So, if you've 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:34.680 got this figured out, like I think, if you're if 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:37.480 you're thinking you can homeschool your kid, you can probably 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:40.760 navigate your state's regulations. Yeah, if you can't, or let's 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:42.000 say the other way, if you can't do that and 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:44.480 probably shouldn't come school you. I think that's a good point, Chuck. 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:46.840 So you've reached this point where you're like, Okay, my 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:51.760 kids excited. Um, we've chosen our school mascot. Uh, We've 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:55.480 gone over the state's website together, we've agreed. Yes, now 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:58.080 you have to get it immunized, whether you like it 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:01.400 or not, because we're doing a home school and Carolina, Um, 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:05.240 what what teaching method should we use? This is a 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:09.920 pretty big it's a big decision, but it's also one 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:13.679 that is not a final decision, like the even the 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:16.840 decision to homeschool. It's it can change and evolve him. 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:20.359 Apparently with most people it does. Yeah, it's weird to 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:22.280 say that, but I totally agree. I think it is 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:26.679 the most important decision you can make. But don't freak 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:29.400 out because it's not written in stone. You can evolve 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:33.400 your teaching method according to what works. The traditional approach, 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:37.600 Catherine points out, is when I just want to school 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:40.240 my kid at home, I'll use the state's curriculum. I'll 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:42.679 get all their books and I'll kind of try and 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:45.560 mimic what goes on at the public school in my home, 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:49.120 or I'll get all of my sources from Oral Roberts 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:54.879 Universities curriculum or whatever. But it's it's like, I imagine 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:57.240 your brother's house was you walk into this special room 0:20:57.240 --> 0:20:59.679 and it looks like a classroom or at least all 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:01.919 this stuff that's going on is what you'd find in 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:04.119 a classroom too. Yeah, And you know, you don't have 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:06.200 to build out a special classroom. If you don't have room, 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:08.520 you can do it how however it works for your family. 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:11.800 But I think they found just having that separate room, 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:14.919 um was beneficial for sure. Well, yeah, there's fewer distractions, 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:17.879 I would guess. Yeah, And it's just the psychology behind 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:20.520 it is like when you're in this room, you're learning, Yeah, exactly, 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:25.040 like this is what this place is for UM classical education. 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:28.080 If you want to talk about the three UH principles 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:31.720 known as the trivium or the three phases UM. You 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:34.600 have the grammar school age students which UM they focus 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:39.760 on memorization, gathering facts, the logic, which is middle age students, 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:42.199 and that is when you start to focus more on 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:45.720 critical thinking. Middle school aged what I say middle aged. 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:48.720 Those are called non traditional student. I'll watch Back to 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:51.359 School the other day. By the way, I think that's good. 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:54.240 It was so great. Man. If you said it didn't 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:56.440 hold up, it totally holds up. Of course it does. 0:21:56.600 --> 0:22:00.960 Very funny triple indy, Oh yeah, is still so funny 0:22:00.960 --> 0:22:05.040 to me. Um, alright, middle school aged. Yeah, And that 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:07.360 is when you're concentrating more on critical thinking and you're 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:10.520