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Speaker 1: Welcome to you stuff you should know from house stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, I'm welcome to the podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Josh Clark. There's Charles W Chuck Bryant and Knowles with

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Speaker 1: us again, which means it's stuff it sounds I can

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Speaker 1: spell up the cliff I did. That would have been

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Speaker 1: good for the clip diving episode, remember that one man.

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Speaker 1: That was interesting. Uh you have parents, Chuck, who we're

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Speaker 1: both educators, right, um dead principal, mom, teacher And Uh.

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Speaker 1: I was wondering while I was researching this, because we're

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Speaker 1: talking about home school today. I wasn't homeschooled. You weren't homeschooled.

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Speaker 1: Now in a way, you were home schooled, because you're

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Speaker 1: right exactly. Um, but I wondered, like, if you were

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Speaker 1: raised with any kind of opinions one way or another

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Speaker 1: on home schooling because of both your parents professions. No,

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Speaker 1: not at all, because when I was in school. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and when you were in school, it wasn't super popular. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Well it may have been illegal for in a lot

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Speaker 1: of places. Yeah, I guess that's a good point to

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Speaker 1: bring up. Um schooling education history one. Uh it started

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Speaker 1: compulsory school attendant started in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts in

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Speaker 1: eighteen fifty two, and by nineteen eighteen, UM Mississippi of

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Speaker 1: course was the last state to I'm so sorry Mississippi,

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Speaker 1: it was the last state to to UM demand compulsory

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Speaker 1: attendance by law. Uh. And then for many years it

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Speaker 1: was that way, like you had to go to school

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Speaker 1: between until like what the was the seventies. Uh, that

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Speaker 1: was when I think the movement really started, but I

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Speaker 1: think possibly into the nineties, like there were states where

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Speaker 1: you had to go to school. Yeah, and we should

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Speaker 1: point out up front that every state is different when

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Speaker 1: it comes to laws about home schooling. So this is

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Speaker 1: a super high view. UM. We would have to do

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Speaker 1: fifty podcasts to really get into the nitty gritty of

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Speaker 1: of the the finer points of homeschooling in each state

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Speaker 1: for sure. So yeah, we're gonna do an overview. But

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Speaker 1: you are right, like homeschooling was, it wasn't around until

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Speaker 1: like they started to really there was a group of

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Speaker 1: grassroots people who got together and started organizing UM and

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Speaker 1: a homeschool in case once and for all that would

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Speaker 1: give it some sort of constitutional or federal protection that

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Speaker 1: may lead to like a federal law or mandate, but

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Speaker 1: they haven't gotten to that point. Instead, it's just been

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Speaker 1: state by state, which is fine. Very few kids go

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Speaker 1: to school interstate, right yeah, um, or interstate, I should say,

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Speaker 1: But there's no federal legislation. It's like you say, all

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Speaker 1: the states have different laws that they all have homeschooling

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Speaker 1: or allow for homeschooling, which is pretty amazing in and

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Speaker 1: of itself, considering in nineteen seventy it was illegal. And

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Speaker 1: hold on, let me say one more thing to chuck.

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Speaker 1: There's an article out there called a five Year Moment.

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Speaker 1: It's on a new magazine called Muria M O O

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Speaker 1: R I A. And the article was written by a

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Speaker 1: guy named Dougald Hind, who is an awesome thinker who

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Speaker 1: I believe is Scottish. I've only seen him online. Um,

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Speaker 1: but this is an amazing best article I've read in

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Speaker 1: years as far as content goes. But one of the

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Speaker 1: things he touches on is compulsory education and the history

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Speaker 1: of it and how it was used to basically turn

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Speaker 1: children into responsible, unquestioning little drones. And this is what

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Speaker 1: originally gave birth to the homeschool movement. Yeah, like I

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Speaker 1: want to be more in control of how my child,

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Speaker 1: how and what my child gets educated because that's free

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Speaker 1: public education. Does it in doctor nats your children? And

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Speaker 1: for some people it's like, great, this is free daycare

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Speaker 1: for my kids. And if they're learning along the way, awesome.

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Speaker 1: So there there is something that that free public education

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Speaker 1: what your kids are taught in public school. Yeah, there

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Speaker 1: are polls conducted and generally, UM, states like to keep

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Speaker 1: track of why you are homeschooling so they can theoretically,

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Speaker 1: think they're getting a good enough education. Escially, if I

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Speaker 1: put my kid through this meat grinder, I don't think

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Speaker 1: they're gonna come out as smart as I want them

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Speaker 1: to be. So I'm going to teach them myself. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and this is not an indictment of teachers or public schools,

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Speaker 1: because boy, we know how hard you people work and

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Speaker 1: how what you're up against. Yes, but I went to

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Speaker 1: public school, and I just used the word myselves. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you're a big shot podcaster, That's true. A couple

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Speaker 1: of sort of not so fun things up front about taxes,

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Speaker 1: do you get tax breaks because you're buying this stuff

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Speaker 1: since there's no federal law requirement or mandate or anything

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Speaker 1: regarding homeschooling, I would guess you have zero tax break

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Speaker 1: not too bad. Well. Plus, also, you remember there was

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Speaker 1: awesome and um, you know you well, we'll get into it,

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Speaker 1: for for everyone involved. So let's let's dig into this, Chuck, Like,

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Speaker 1: you just hit upon it. This isn't something you take lightly. No,

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Speaker 1: not at all. So Chuck, let's dig into it and

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Speaker 1: figure out what the considerations are. Because you just hit

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Speaker 1: upon it. This isn't something to take lightly. We'll do

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Speaker 1: that right after this. You're right, Josh, as you said

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Speaker 1: before the break, it is not something to take lightly.

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Speaker 1: You want to do a lot of research beforehand and

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Speaker 1: ask a lot of tough questions of yourself, of your child,

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Speaker 1: and maybe get some good books. There are a few

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Speaker 1: recommendations here in this article Real Life Homeschooling by Ronda

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Speaker 1: Barfield tells a lot of stories about homeschooling families which

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Speaker 1: can help homeschooling for Success by Rebecca Kulk and Duffa

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Speaker 1: and Elizabeth Conna. There's another going to check out in

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Speaker 1: the Homeschooling Almanac by Mary and Michael Leppard. And there

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Speaker 1: are scores and scores of more books, but read some

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Speaker 1: of the start thinking about it. Can you afford it?

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Speaker 1: was saying, this is the way we're teaching our kids

424
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: is wrong. And so she started doing things like, you

425
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: know what, get up, get this heavy furniture out of here.

426
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: Let's put some kids furniture in here that they can

427
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 1: move around. It's like child size. Let's lower the bookshelves

428
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: to where the kids can access this stuff. Let's teach

429
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: kids how to care for pets and gymnastics and how

430
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: to cook, and let's put these big open air sections

431
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: where they can move about freely if they want to,

432
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: and really just sort of opened up. Um really revolutionized

433
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: education and night, you know, early nineteen hundreds of Italy. Um.

434
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: There's another, I guess, turn of the century educator. She

435
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 1: was British though her name is Charlotte Mason. She came

436
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 1: up with her own method that I think it's kind

437
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: of clever in a way. Charles Manson, Yeah, he's hope

438
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: with his education idea. Charlotte Mason, she said, UM, just

439
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: teach your kid a bunch of stuff, and I'm not

440
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: exactly clear on how like it's taught, maybe in a

441
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: normal structured environment, but also teach them fine arts and

442
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: a bunch of other stuff that most schools just kind

443
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: of are getting rid of these days. The thing that

444
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 1: makes her the revolutionary is like, you don't use testing.

445
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 1: Instead use what's called narration, where you say, okay, kid,

446
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 1: I've taught you everything that I know about wales, stand

447
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 1: up and tell me about whales, and the kid narrates

448
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: everything he or she knows about whales and not not.

449
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: I did my book report on whales. Whales live in

450
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 1: the ocean and the salt water, and they are large

451
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 1: and blue. Because I guess you probably wouldn't be able

452
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: to have notes because you're not really narrating. Yeah, they

453
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: have to understand it in order to talk about it exactly.

454
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: That's the whole key, is that to narrate something, you

455
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: have to understand something. Of course, you could be like

456
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: a complete BS artist, which is kind of awesome in

457
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 1: and of itself. I means your kid has got some skills,

458
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: and another those are creative skills. But Charlotte Mason's point

459
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 1: was if your kid can stand up and tell you

460
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: about whales in a smart, intelligent way, and your kid

461
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: has learned about whales, Yeah, that seems like a pretty

462
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: cool notion if you asked me. And the next one

463
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 1: is my all time favorite, the Waldorf method. Oh no, sorry,

464
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 1: the second to next one. Okay, you were thinking the

465
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 1: Waldorf salad, Yeah, which, man, those are weird. Another one's

466
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: grapes and stuff. Grapes and like apples but also mayonnaise.

467
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: It's not a winning combination. Uh. Someone wrote in with

468
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: that cotton candy grapes. Did you see that? No, she

469
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: said that they had them at Whole Foods and they

470
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: are grapes that tastes like cotton candy. Crazy. Is it

471
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: called mutants? Um? The Waldorf method is based on Austrian

472
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: scientists uh Rudolph Steina and he has the concept of

473
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: educating the whole child. Um. Basically concentrates on creative topics. Um,

474
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: fine arts, painting, music, drama, foreign language, gardening, sewing, things

475
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: that you are, like you said, are kind of going

476
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: by the wayside in a lot of public schools, did

477
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: you say, sadly? But then you build upon these things

478
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: based on the kid's age. That determines what the kids

479
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: studying at any given points. Yeah. So, if you've ever

480
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: heard the head, heart and Hands method, that is the

481
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: Waldorf method. Um, here's my favorite one, the unit studies method. Yeah,

482
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: I like this one. That's gonna cool. It's a little vanilla,

483
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 1: but it makes sense to me. Basically, you choose a

484
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 1: topic or a theme and you stretch it out over

485
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: say like a week or a month or a semester

486
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: or whatever, and the theme is say, um, but by pirates, okay,

487
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: and then you you pirates to investigate, or you investigate

488
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: every aspect of pirates using math, science, history, UM documentaries, uh,

489
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: projects like all visits to a like a pirate ship

490
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 1: if you're in the San Diego area, all that kind

491
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: of stuff. So sort of finding the individual lessons within

492
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: a topic, like you can teach economics through talking about

493
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: pirates or history or like all those things were. And

494
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 1: so in the end you you fully get pirates, but

495
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: you also get a really great good understanding of how

496
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: everything has all these different aspects and components to it

497
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: that come together inform it form a whole. It's our

498
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: like trade. That's what you and I do, Like we

499
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: take that hole and break it apart. I think that's

500
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,239
Speaker 1: why it appeals to me so much. I was right

501
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 1: there with you on that one. Uh. Then you have unschooling,

502
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: which they call child directed learning or natural learning, and

503
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: this is I was originally used by author John Holt,

504
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: and this just sounds like kind of crazy way, not

505
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: crazy way, but basically let your child learn how to

506
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: manage their time and run the show, which is really

507
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: super interesting. He was one of the early homeschool UM

508
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: activists that was like agitating in the early seventies agitating. So, um,

509
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: your kid is still learning and you are still teaching

510
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: and guiding. But um, they interviewed Um Catherine. I don't

511
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: know where she got this quote, but one of the

512
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: unschooled students has a really great quote. I'm planning what

513
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: I do, so I have an overwhelming sense of commitment

514
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: to what I'm doing. Instead of being told what to

515
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: do and when to do it and simply being shuttled

516
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: back and forth from activity to activity, I get to choose.

517
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: So your kid is learning planning and logistics and scheduling,

518
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: and uh, this seems like a really good, real world

519
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: way of teaching. Oh yeah, for sure, you know, I

520
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: think I would guess everybody would choose this. The problem

521
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: is is a fear that accompanies this, of like what

522
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: if your kids committed to like eating Captain Crunch and

523
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: Jack all day? What do you do with that? You know, Well,

524
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: then they're not a good candidate to run schooling. Oh

525
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: that's a great point, you know, great point, Like I

526
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: think you only do this if your child is a

527
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: good candidate, and that way your kids, like, you know what,

528
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: I want to do science experiments all day. I just

529
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: want to go to the library and read today. Then

530
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: go for it. But part of the key to unschooling

531
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: is the kid isn't like so take me. It's and

532
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: I noticed that you have a slot in your schedule

533
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: where you could take me to the library and then

534
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: you could pick me up two hours later. Uh, let's

535
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: work this out. And then you go, hey, don't get

536
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: smart with me, right, don't point that your imaginary watch.

537
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: You're not wearing a watch. I can't even read time yet, kid.

538
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: How do you know when I have yoga because it's

539
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: on the fridge. I imagine you'd have to have a

540
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: family schedule of stuff on the fridge for unschooling. Yeah,

541
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: I think that's pretty smart anyway. And then after that, Chuck,

542
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: you have to figure out what kind of learner your

543
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: kid is. Yeah. Well, there's also the eclectic method, which

544
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: we didn't mention, and that is just sort of a

545
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: cornucopia of all these different methods. Um, it's kind of

546
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: cobbled together. I guess that's the best way, best way

547
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: to say it, right. Yeah, And apparently most parents who

548
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: are new to homeschooling start off their kid with a

549
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: much more rigid structure method and then apparently by like

550
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: year three, it's much lucy goosey. Yeah, much more loosey goosey.

551
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: Um or lay back, I guess is a better term

552
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: for it. But it's not necessarily just unschooling or just this.

553
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: It is probably along the lines of the eclectic method. Yeah,

554
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: that makes sense. And like we said, you're not locked

555
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: into any of these. You gotta find out what works

556
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: for your kid. And a good way to start is

557
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: before you start, UM, figure out what kind of learner

558
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: your child is and what kind of learner and teacher

559
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: you are. Maybe you want to figure out apparently if

560
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: your kid is one of the four there's four modalities

561
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: I guess is what it's called of learning. UM there's visual, auditory, TecTile,

562
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: and kin aesthetic and visual learners basically, like you see

563
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: things and you get it, whether it's a pie chart

564
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: or a drawing or a photo or something like that,

565
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: you see, you learned through seeing. So that's that's visual

566
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: learning style and that's pretty common. Auditory obviously is going

567
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: to be listening and speaking. It's akin to the Charlotte

568
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: Mason method. UM. Tactile has to deal with touch, it does,

569
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: and I was wondering which one would have to do

570
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: with like writing stuff down, because that's how I remember

571
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: stuff now I get it into my head is through

572
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: writing or typing it out. And apparently that falls under

573
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: tactile doodling to people who doodle or tactile learners, I

574
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: think I'm a much more visual learner. Yeah, I get

575
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: it when I see it too, but it doesn't I

576
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: don't get it until I write it myself. Actually, I'm

577
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: a combination between visual and kinneth addic because kin aesthetic

578
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: is um really being involved. Like she's an example of

579
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: a sailboat. If you want to teach a kid about sailboats,

580
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: that came sailing I know to to research for this episode,

581
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: you went and sat in on a homeschool class for

582
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. I did not. That's that's the method,

583
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: isn't it. Oh and acting, Yeah, it would be method

584
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: podcasting I think. So. Uh, if you have once you

585
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: figure out what kind of learning your child is though,

586
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a good And those aren't the only

587
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: teaching methods that we mentioned, but those are some of

588
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: the leading teaching methods for homeschooling. But you're gonna have

589
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: a good head start on figuring out a good place

590
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: to start and then just observe go from there and

591
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: do the the eyeball test, as they say, and if

592
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: things seem to be working, then great. So there's one huge,

593
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: huge thing that's still outstanding, Chuck, and that is that

594
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people worry that if you take your

595
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: kid out of school, even a crummy school, but that's

596
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: standard course that a school provides, then they're gonna have

597
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: a harder time getting into college. And most homeschool resource

598
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: places say no, if anything, your homeschool kid is going

599
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: to have an easier time getting into college because it

600
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: will be more well rounded, probably smarter. Um. Homeschool kids

601
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: tend to excel more academics and other stuff. Um, But

602
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't find any quantitative evidence on that like that

603
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: homeschool kids get into college more easily than non homeschool kids.

604
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything like that was all anecdotal. Yeah,

605
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: I don't know about actually getting into college. Um. But

606
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: as a parent, um, in a homeschooler, you need to

607
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: keep really good track of their scores and records. Um,

608
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: if they did any and this is a benefit of homeschooling,

609
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: if they do any like apprenticeships, all of that stuff

610
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: is gonna help, um, because that's what's gonna take the

611
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: place of like being in the Beta club or whatever

612
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: it called the beta club. Yeah. Um, like those school

613
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: activities that supposedly looked at on college transcripts. I don't

614
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: even know if that's true. By the way, Well, there's

615
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: a lot of homeschool groups that form so that they

616
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: can do things like have a beta club, or have

617
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: debate club, or have a sports team go on field trips. Yeah. Um,

618
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: so there are there. Like, if you do homeschooling, it

619
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: doesn't mean like you can't do any of that, you're

620
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: just not doing it with your school. The other elephant

621
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: in the room is concern over socialization, as your kid

622
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: gonna be weird if you homeschool. Yeah, And all the

623
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: evidence and the research that I saw points to no, no, no,

624
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: your kid is not gonna be weird and they're probably

625
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: gonna be better for the real world because they aren't. Um,

626
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: they aren't like, like you said, trapped in a school

627
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: of peers, constantly worried about what their peers think and

628
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: being judged or trying to fit in. Uh, they're kind

629
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: of doing their own thing. Um. This is great article

630
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: and Of course this is from a homeschool advocate, so

631
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: it's pretty one sided. But um, it's called Socialisa shinclin.

632
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: Homeschoolers are in the real world. And it was by

633
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: Chris Klicka and his His notion basically is that your

634
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 1: kid is already in the real world. They're not gonna

635
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: be you know, shuttle off the college and be like

636
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: what in the world's going on, I'm gonna go hog

637
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: wild and crazy or these people exactly. Uh, they say

638
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: that they overcome this potential for isolation by being on

639
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: these um and like in the y m c A

640
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: or the Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts, uh, singing groups,

641
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: little League. Basically, they are all kinds of ways to

642
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: socialize your kid outside of a school that parents in

643
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: schools do too. They probably don't think about. I mean,

644
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: it didn't have to be in a classroom. No, And

645
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: it's entirely possible that we take the damage that's done

646
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: by um elementary and grammar school and high schooling uh

647
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: as for granted like that that you have to be

648
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: damaged as a result, and you don't necessarily and you

649
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: can isolate your kid from that kind of stuff and

650
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: maybe they'll turn out better than they would have if

651
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: you had to put through regular school. Yeah, it seems

652
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: like research indicates that self esteem, UM, what they call

653
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: self concept and self esteem of a homeschooled child is higher.

654
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 1: They generally score higher on on tests UM. This one guy,

655
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: what's his name, Smedley Thomas Smedley h. He did a

656
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 1: thesis of Master's thesis and he had a pretty cool quote.

657
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: He said, in public school systems, children are socialized horizontally

658
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: and temporarily into conformity with their immediate peers. Home educators

659
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: seek to socialize their children vertically towards responsibility and service

660
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: and adulthood with an eye on eternity. Pretty cool. Yeah,

661
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: and all of this is just intuitive, you know, the

662
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: idea that if you have that much more attention and

663
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: your education is is tailored to you the individual, how

664
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: can you not benefit nixcel. Yeah, Well, we have a

665
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: list of people here that have excelled that we're home schooled,

666
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: people like Irving Berlin, Ansel Adams, Da Vinci, Agatha Christie

667
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: Einstein does the Vinci count. Yeah, Okay, Peter Jenning, C. S. Lewis,

668
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln Well, Abraham Winkol was Backwood so I don't

669
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: know if that counts. That's schooling. I mean that was

670
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: the origin of homeschool Benjamin Franklin, Agatha christ said, Agatha Christie,

671
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: Thomas Edison, and um our colleague from stuff Mom never

672
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: told you, Kristin Conger was homeschooled. And you're in for

673
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 1: a treat because right for this message break, we're gonna

674
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: get cogs in here and we're gonna talk to her. Okay,

675
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: we're back, and we have a third person in the studio,

676
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: Stuff Mom Never told you, Kristen Conger. Hey, guys, thank

677
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: you for joining us, Thanks for having me. Uh So,

678
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: we were doing this show on homeschooling, and obviously, obvia

679
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: you came to mind because you were home schooled. Yeah.

680
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: I was homeschooled from second through eighth grade. Yeah. Well,

681
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: just get this a little background. We kind of want

682
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: to know, um, why you guys made the decision, who

683
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: taught you, and just sort of how it went down,

684
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 1: what methods you guys, methodology you guys used. Okay, So

685
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: in terms of the why, we were a little bit

686
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: of the hyper religious family who wanted a little bit

687
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: of sheltering from secular education. Okay, so there's that we

688
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: gotta fit that homeschool stereotype, which still persists today. But

689
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: there was also a desire at my parents part to

690
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: provide a higher quality education than they thought we would

691
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: get in public schools because my mom at the time

692
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: was teaching in public schools and she did not like

693
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,919
Speaker 1: what she saw and she was like, I can do better,

694
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: she said. Yeah, he was like, I am doing a

695
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: terrible job, So I will try this on my on

696
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: my children. I want to focus that on you. Uh

697
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: so your mom is a public school teacher. What grade

698
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: did she teach? She taught high school? Okay, yeah, um,

699
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: and quit her job to teach home school to you, So,

700
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 1: my mom stayed at home with my siblings and me

701
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: full time for the first two or three years, and

702
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: then she actually went back to work teaching once we

703
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: were a little bit older and had the hang of things,

704
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: which might sound wildly irresponsible, but we stayed on task easily,

705
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: and she had assignments for us every day, and since

706
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,479
Speaker 1: she taught, she got home from work by the early

707
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: afternoon anyway, so it was minimal lack of supervision. But

708
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: my siblings and I were so well behaved and she

709
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: was so good at organizing and leaving us tasks to

710
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 1: do that. We were just kind of do our school

711
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: work while she was gone. Yeah. I don't know if

712
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 1: that was legal, But did she change? She didn't need

713
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: to job, That's the thing. I was just that good

714
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: of a child and I loved reading youngest. Yeah. So brothers.

715
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: You have a brother, right, I've got brothers and sisters. Yeah.

716
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: So one thing I've been trying to figure out. We've

717
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: been talking about homeschooling. This is the end of the episode. Um,

718
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 1: there don't seem to be any drawbacks to it, Like,

719
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: where was there anything negative about homeschooling that you encountered

720
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: in your experience? It was? It all just good. For

721
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: the most part, it was really great. Um. I think

722
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: it worked well for our family. It worked really well

723
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: because my mom knew what she was doing. We had

724
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: formal textbooks. She like formally taught us and even though

725
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: I probably made it sound like she just let us

726
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: run wild all day, we would sit down every day

727
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: and do school work one on one with her to

728
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: check over tests and work. And so she kind of

729
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: used the method where you basically take the school's curriculum

730
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: and just try and replicate it out of the school.

731
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: What's they called structure, the structured homeschooling or school at home. Yeah,

732
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: I mean she she hand selected all of our curriculum

733
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: and put together lesson plans for all of us. So

734
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: it was even more intensive than something like that, but

735
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: she had the background to be able to do that.

736
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: And as far as drawbacks go, probably the biggest one

737
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: was just the socialization factor. Yeah, we talked about that,

738
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: and that's all a lot of research that says like

739
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: that's sort of a non issue these days. There are

740
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: so many ways to socialize your kids outside of a classroom,

741
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: and we you may be doing your kid a favor

742
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: by not having them in a classroom, But these were

743
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: written by homeschool Well, there were absolutely social outlets that

744
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: we had during home school. For instance, I played on

745
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: a soccer team, I took ballet. We went to church,

746
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: so we had youth group activities and things like that. Um,

747
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: And especially in elementary school and middle school. I don't

748
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: think that I really missed out that much socially. UM.

749
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: When I started high school in what we called regular school,

750
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: much of my mother's chagrin, UM, there was a little

751
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: bit of a transition simply of having to deal with

752
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: kids peers day in and day out in a more

753
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: intense way than I ever had before. And there are

754
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: still some socialization factors I think I'm trying to figure

755
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: out at almost thirty. No, I mean, I joke, but

756
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: sort of. I mean. Um, On the one hand, I'm

757
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: really grateful that I did not have to go through

758
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: middle school because everyone I know who went to middle

759
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: school that sounded like a horrific and confusing time to

760
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: be in school. But um, there were some humps here

761
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 1: and there because my concept of school and social life

762
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: and getting along and even high school dating and all

763
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: of that was largely just based on TV and movies.

764
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: So I had a few missteps. Yeah. Interesting, Why did

765
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: you eventually go back to school? How did that all work? Well,

766
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: there was a decision on my parents as part, largely

767
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: because I was the youngest in my family, so by

768
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: that time I was the last one at home. It

769
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: would have just been me by myself, and they could

770
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: kind of tell that I was sort of jostl ng

771
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 1: for a little bit more so. Plus, your mom was done,

772
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: She's just done. She was so tired of me, Josh.

773
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: She was like, I've had it with you, not really,

774
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: so you were the last kid, so it was basically

775
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: just kind of felt like the right time. Yeah, so

776
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: did your older siblings graduate from high school through your

777
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: mom's homeschooling. Two of my siblings graduated homeschool, so that

778
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a sticking point when I

779
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: got to go to real high school. They were jealousy,

780
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: maybe maybe a little bit that I got to get

781
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: a spring break I got from my older my older

782
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: sister and brother. But I mean, is that the dream

783
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: of all homeschool kids to go to regular school or

784
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: is it like when you're in home school, you're you're

785
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: kind of like I have it way better than my

786
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: peers in high school. Well, first of all, I don't

787
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: want to speak on behalf of all home schoolers, but

788
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: I get the sense, especially from what you guys are

789
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: talking about, in terms of homeschool today, I don't think

790
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: there's as much of that longing for quote unquote regular

791
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: school as maybe they're used to be. Um, what were

792
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: you home school in the fifties. No, I would have

793
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,240
Speaker 1: been in the nineties. Um. So I think for again,

794
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: it has a lot to do with age, probably for

795
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: elementary schoolers, middle schoolers even who Cares Elementary school. Home

796
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: school was awesome. Can hang out on my pj's. I

797
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: could go play in my FOURT when I wanted to

798
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: home now exactly, I could do my math in the

799
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: woods if I really wanted to. But I think once

800
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,919
Speaker 1: you get older, you just naturally want to start sort

801
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: of finding your place outside of the home a little

802
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: bit more. What about your siblings that graduated home school,

803
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: what did they go to college and what was that

804
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: process like they went to college, Um, it was a

805
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: little more challenging for them with I think they had

806
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: to take the A C T and the S A

807
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: T and perhaps some S A T twos because there

808
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: were there are S A T twos and they are

809
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: a bear. Um. But people were a bit more skeptical

810
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: of the quality of homeschooling back then. I don't know

811
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 1: that it's as stringent today. But they both went to

812
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: and graduated from college and are well adjusted adults with families,

813
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: and one of them is actually a teacher now, which

814
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 1: is an interesting Speaking of families, if you had kids,

815
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: or if you do ever have kids, would you ever

816
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: consider homeschooling them? No question, no, But that's largely because

817
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: I am horrendously lazy, I've forgotten how to read, and

818
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: I just would make a terrible teacher. I don't have

819
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: the patience for it. Would you ever hire your mom

820
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: as a homeschool teacher for your kids? No, because she

821
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: want to be a full time grandma. Well we did see.

822
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: That was one of the big questions that you should

823
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: ask yourself, Like, just because you're super smart and that

824
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: means you're a good teacher? Yes, yeah, I've I've definitely

825
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: seen some questionable homeschooling attempts on parents who are clearly

826
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: not qualified. And there are kids too, I think who

827
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: benefit more from structured classroom environments, who might, especially if

828
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: they have perhaps a learning disability or something like that,

829
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: who need more um specialized attention. I got nothing else

830
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: I don't either. That was super enlightening. Hey, thank you,

831
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: And you can catch Kristen and her colleague Caroline every

832
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: week what they does? Stuff mom ever told you? Come

833
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: out Mondays and Wednesdays on iTunes on your site. What's

834
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: the website? Stuff mom never told you? Dot com appropriately enough?

835
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us, Kristen, Thanks again, joh and Chuck,

836
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: And if you want to know more about homeschooling, you

837
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: can type those words into the search bart how stuff

838
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: works dot com. And since I said search parts, time

839
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: for the listener mail. All right, Josh, we're gonna call

840
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 1: this Crop Circle email. Just listen to the Crop Circle podcast.

841
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 1: It was particularly amused to hear you take a romantic

842
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: view on overhearing people conspiring to make crop circles in

843
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: a rural English pub because I am from Salisbury, Wiltshire.

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Speaker 1: I'm here ten miles from Stonehenge. That's the epicenter. It is.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite pubs in Salisbury is called Wyndham Arms.

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Speaker 1: What special is They have a very very local crowd. Uh. Secondly,

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Speaker 1: the pubs brew their own ale, one of which is

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Speaker 1: called Crop Circle. Uh. If you let me know your

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Speaker 1: shipping address, I'll happy happily send you some bottles of it. Boy.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Um, I was quite excited to hear you

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Speaker 1: mentioned my home country, home county, excuse me of Wiltshure,

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Speaker 1: And I thought i'd share a local legend. Uh. The

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Speaker 1: collective nickname people from here are moon rakers. Um. Now,

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Speaker 1: once upon a time, long ago, there were a group

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Speaker 1: of bootlegger is making illicit booze somewhere in North Wiltchire,

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Speaker 1: these guys are walking along the road and with their wares.

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden here comes the custom officials. Thinking quickly,

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Speaker 1: they placed the booze in a nearby pond. The custom

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Speaker 1: officials here the racket, investigate and they see these guys

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Speaker 1: in the pond, ask what they're doing. The Wilsherman noticed

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Speaker 1: the reflection of the full moon in the pond and

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Speaker 1: say to the officials that they were just trying to

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Speaker 1: get this giant cheese out of the pond. The officers

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Speaker 1: supposedly looked at each other and said, Hey, look at

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Speaker 1: these stupid yokels. S no cheese. They're trying to rake

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Speaker 1: the moon. So that's where moon rakers came from. Is

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Speaker 1: there where the James Bond title comes from? I don't

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Speaker 1: think so. Uh. And that is from Chris near Stonehenge.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Chris nice. Thank you very much. Christ. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll send you the address because I would love to

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Speaker 1: drink that beer. Heck, yes, i'll send you the address

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Speaker 1: to you'll get it at least two three times. If

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Speaker 1: you want to send us some beer, we would love that.

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