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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt. Our colleague nol Is on an

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Speaker 1: adventure they call me Ben. We're joined as always with

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Speaker 1: our super producer Alexis, code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly,

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Speaker 1: you are you. You are here, and that makes this

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. At the very

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Speaker 1: end of the year, Alexis, Matt can believe it. We've

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Speaker 1: almost made it. Yeah, we're almost out of the woods here,

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Speaker 1: in this woods. Also, I mean, I still feel like

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Speaker 1: it's March, so I don't I don't really know what's

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Speaker 1: going on here. Well, interesting fact, back in the days

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Speaker 1: New Year's in March. So if we go by that schedule,

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Speaker 1: maybe this entire year is a write off. But what

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Speaker 1: a ride it has been. Just to set the stage

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Speaker 1: for anybody who has yet to visit our YouTube page

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Speaker 1: at YouTube dot com forward slash conspiracy stuff. Uh, Matt,

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Speaker 1: I must compliment you. Uh, you surprised us. You've got

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Speaker 1: Matt is rocking this amazing mustache. Not many people can

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Speaker 1: a thing to our YouTube audience's right. Yeah. Back in

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Speaker 1: those days, fellow conspiracy realists, Matt and I were trying

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Speaker 1: but but with our this is a weird into the year.

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Speaker 1: Segue to our stories today, Matt, which which strange news

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Speaker 1: Let's let's start negative and then and go positive, right,

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Speaker 1: got it? Yeah? I think that's the way to go. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll begin with some reporting coming out of the Guardian

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Speaker 1: The headline is Al Jazeera journalists hacked using Israeli firms spyware.

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Speaker 1: Here's the subtitle here, Watchdogs suspects Saudi Arabia and the

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Speaker 1: You're welcome, mass media. Now somebody already wrote that down.

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Speaker 1: to create more intelligent human beings. Dramatically misled and incorrect

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Speaker 1: experiments we should point out. But my question for you

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Speaker 1: guys is this, Matt, I have to wonder if you

428
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Speaker 1: later in life. Let's say you're in your mid sixties,

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Speaker 1: early seventies and you're feeling a little bit of you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a slip. Sometimes it's like,

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Speaker 1: why are am I in this room? And just go

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Speaker 1: back to what you're doing, and then a few minutes

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Speaker 1: later you realize, oh, that's right, I was looking for

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Speaker 1: my keys. Oh that's right, I'm going somewhere. So what

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Speaker 1: if I'm I What if I'm in my late thirties

436
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Speaker 1: and that's happening. I was describing this stuff and I

437
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: was thinking, these are things I regularly do now. But

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00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: what if you know you went to your doctor and

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Speaker 1: your doctor said that certain forms of cognitive decline running

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Speaker 1: your family. But there is a pill they can give

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Speaker 1: you that will not only slow the process of this decline,

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Speaker 1: but we'll also reverse it and once you're healthy, and

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Speaker 1: doctor says with with like a little wink, atch you

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Speaker 1: you can just keep going and see how smart you

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00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: can get. I would say, doc, sign me up. What's

446
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Speaker 1: it called? Is rib it is? Let's do this. The

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00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: doses a rib It's a rack of ribs. That's the

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00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: only problem. Oh my god, rib based pharmaceuticals. The tiles come. Uh,

449
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: it actually stands for I s are inhibitor, but we're

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Speaker 1: going to keep it is ribbed. I think that's where

451
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: they're going. So this is interesting because there's one big

452
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: thing about this that that we know has proven right

453
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Speaker 1: before we even get to human stages of experimentation. Here,

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Speaker 1: it seems that maybe we were wrong about some of

455
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Speaker 1: our earlier assumptions about how aging affects the brain. It's

456
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Speaker 1: not as though the brain is permanently losing capabilities or capacity,

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Speaker 1: I should say. Instead, it seems that those mental abilities

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Speaker 1: and resources are still there, but have somehow been physiologically

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Speaker 1: blocked from access. So like the the room is still

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Speaker 1: the room, and it still has all the same stuff

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00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: inside of it. There's just a bunch of stuff in

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00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: front of the door or crowding the hallway. So if

463
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: there's a way to clean out this figurative hallway, then

464
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: we can, in a very real sense, bring some of

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Speaker 1: these people back. That's incredible. So I'm I'm imagining, and

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Speaker 1: I've forgiven me for my elementary understanding of neuro receptors

467
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Speaker 1: and things like that. But it sounds as though in

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Speaker 1: areas of the brain where cognitive function is in decline,

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Speaker 1: for someone who's suffering from something like this, it's as

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Speaker 1: as though you're saying the neuro receptors somehow just can't

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00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: get they can't get the signals to fire up because

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Speaker 1: there's something physically blocking that receptor or that area of receptors,

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Speaker 1: or something to where this is where it becomes through

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Speaker 1: and watch that stuff away in some way or or

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Speaker 1: degrades the junk there and allows the receptors to be

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Speaker 1: active again. It's what it sounds like. Yeah, yeah, I

477
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: think that's an accurate description. They're still working out exactly

478
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Speaker 1: how this works, uh, and how long these benefits may last.

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00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: You know, what if it's not a cure, but it's

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00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: you know, like pharmaceutical companies don't make money selling cures, right,

481
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: you sell treatments and I'm not accusing pharmaceutical companies in

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Speaker 1: this situation of planning a treatment where a cure would exist.

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Speaker 1: The truth is, we just don't We don't know. We

484
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: just know that applying this drug improves performance very very quickly. Uh,

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Speaker 1: And it also inspires growth, Like these neurons are not

486
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Speaker 1: just fire enough as they did when they were spring

487
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: brain chickens, all right, whatever it's they're Also these neurons

488
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Speaker 1: are also able to form more stable connections with each other,

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Speaker 1: and that's a pattern that is usually only seen in

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Speaker 1: younger mice. So the research looks uh, specifically at the hippocampus.

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Speaker 1: But I would be interested in hearing the the potential

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Speaker 1: long term results of this experimentation. I mean, would appell

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Speaker 1: like this or whatever treatment it becomes, would it be

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Speaker 1: available to the general public, would it be I don't know,

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00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: like is it is it too disruptive. We know that

496
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Speaker 1: there's a ton of age reversing or age slowing technology

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00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: that is like right on the brink of being not

498
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: science fiction but science fact. The modern vampires are real folks.

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Speaker 1: They take blood from the young, injected in themselves. We're

500
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: not making that up. Happens happens Yeah, it's um, it's weird.

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00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: This is all weird. I feel as though it would

502
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: have to be so highly controlled. You could only get

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Speaker 1: dosages of this if you were suffering from Alzheimer's or

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Speaker 1: traumatic brain injury, and only for length of time to

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Speaker 1: where you're whatever you're experiencing has passed or has improved,

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Speaker 1: and then you have to be taken off of it

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Speaker 1: or else. You know, you really would have people living

508
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Speaker 1: for much longer, which you know could be a problem.

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00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: There's a lot of us. How would they And you

510
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Speaker 1: could definitely get it off the you could get it

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Speaker 1: just off the shelf where you'd find you know, billionaires,

512
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 1: bezos would have a just a whole stockpile of him

513
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Speaker 1: somewhere in his layer. You could effectively regulate it by

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Speaker 1: price structure, make it so expensive to buy it even

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Speaker 1: with a prescription that the only people who could get

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Speaker 1: it would be people to get a subsidy or a

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Speaker 1: mandated government discount due to Alzheimer's or another form of

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Speaker 1: something like vascular dementia or something. That would be the

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Speaker 1: most effective way. But that's a horrible thing to do,

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00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, And I'm just picturing it being like

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00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: when the ps fis went on sale and people were

522
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: just buying them up to resell them at higher prices.

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00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: To see that happening here, absolutely, Yeah, that is one

524
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: very predictable thing about humanity. Were consistent with that one. Great,

525
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: they're going to be smart drug scalpers. That's the new business.

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Speaker 1: You know. We want to hear from you. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: we're gonna pause in a moment for a word from

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Speaker 1: our sponsor. But let us know how this kind of

529
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: technology should be distributed. Who should get it? Would you

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00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: take it? If not? Why we want to hear from you,

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Speaker 1: and we'll be right back, and we are back. It

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00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: is uh, let's see. This is one of our This

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00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: is one of our last recordings for the year that

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00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: the three of us are making, and we wanted to

535
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: spend just a little bit of time throwing out headlines

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00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: we found and updates we received that maybe weren't enough

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Speaker 1: for a full story, but we thought you would in

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00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 1: some way enjoy, if that's the right word. If nothing

539
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: more than to distract you from Cyberpunk two thousand seventy seven.

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00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: Oh oh man, So I just to put this out there.

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Speaker 1: Cyberpunk seven is one of these games that was so

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00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: highly anticipated to me, for me, for several you know

543
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: million other people, not only because Kiano Reeves. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Kiano Reeves is exciting, but that's not what sells you

545
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: on a game like that. It's the people behind the game,

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00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: the the crew that was making it, um, what the

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00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: game was said to be, how it was promoted. And

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00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: then it got released, you guys. On December tenth, it

549
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: got released into the wild, and somebody here got it

550
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: that day. I believe right now, I was going to

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00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: get it. Um. Actually a few days later I wasn't

552
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,959
Speaker 1: able to because I'd like to get physical copies of things.

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00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: I still like to have the cover art. I didn't

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00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: want to do the whole download things. It was a

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00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: matter of when I could actually go and get it.

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Speaker 1: And by the time I was going to go get it,

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00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: I was gonna go get it about three days after

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00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: it came out, and by then there was just this

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00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 1: massive um what's the word I'm looking for show about

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00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: the release in the quality um if you're still on

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00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: the technically ogin systems now. So I was still gonna

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00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: get it, but I don't know. I've seen pictures of

563
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: the graphics. They're just so bad, and people are talking

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00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: about class action lawsuits and they took it off the

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00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: Sony Store and they're giving refunds. It's just a really

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Speaker 1: bad time to That's really sad. That's really really sad.

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00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: Did you get it? Met? I did not. I did not,

568
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: And I almost I've literally almost did. I clicked on it.

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Speaker 1: I was in the PlayStation Store just ready to do it.

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00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I should live a little.

571
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: I can do this. I don't have to eat for

572
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: a couple of days. I can get this game. And uh,

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00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: I didn't do it. Um, But you know what, I

574
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: am so sad that it's it's actually taken off of

575
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Speaker 1: the PlayStation Store. That makes me very, very sad because

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00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: you know how many terrible games are on the PlayStation Store.

577
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: I mean there you could find them, you just browse

578
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: and find them. I've gone through so many times just

579
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: to look for something ridiculous and interesting to play, and

580
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: then I end up, you know, getting a super cheap game.

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00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 1: And it's super cheap for a reason. Um, this game,

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00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: this game had a budget upwards of three hundred million

583
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: dollars I think with the marketing and everything else all told, Um,

584
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: and now I can't even buy it to try it.

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00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: I'm a little upset about that. I think you can

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00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: still buy it, like I think it was so good

587
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: physical copies of it, and I think that they're going

588
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: to add it back at some point, but because like

589
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 1: ostensibly they're going to have some big patches that come

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00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: out in January or February, I still am planning on

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Speaker 1: buying it at some point, but I might wait until,

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00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: like you know, upgrades the next gen. But I'm sure

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00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: you'll still be able to get it at some point.

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00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: But that's just I don't think I've ever seen a

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Speaker 1: launch go like this in my well, I was gonna

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00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: say lifetime, but could have happened when I was three

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00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: months old and I would have known, you know, But

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Speaker 1: since I've been paying attention to it, like, I've just

599
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: never seen anything like this before. Yeah, it's also there's

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00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: a patch that's supposed to be released to improve experiences

601
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: for users um today actually uh CD project read the

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00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: developers came out with this news earlier on Twitter, and

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00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: they also proposed a timeline of two there large patches,

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00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: one in January, one in February, so maybe that's the time.

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00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: I know it stinks to tell somebody to hold on,

606
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: But maybe that's the time, uh that we go back

607
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 1: in and consider picking up this game. And yeah, Alexis,

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00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: you're right, it's supposed to. It is supposed to come

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00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 1: back to the PlayStation store at one point or another.

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00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: But I'm a I'm not in the same boat as

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Speaker 1: you all because I'm a completionist. I find one game,

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00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: latch onto it like a more eel, and do everything.

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00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: So I so just over the course of this pandemic,

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00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: I did Ghost of Tsushima, Assassin's Creed Odyssey, I think,

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00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: and uh, Red Dead Redemption too, and I replayed Skyrim

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Speaker 1: to like a pent So so it's gonna take me.

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Speaker 1: I am not gonna know about Cyberpunk seven until late

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Speaker 1: way down the line. Good for you, because that's what

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Speaker 1: it's maybe. Yeah, way about the label, I've been here

620
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: some really weird stuff. I tried to stay away from

621
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: too many spoilers. But apparently you customize genitalia for yourself

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00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: or other characters. I don't know that's true. What I

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Speaker 1: haven't ye project, here's the crazy thing on I don't

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00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 1: know why we're talking about all this. I'm so sorry everyone.

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00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: Hopefully you're interested in this. It's the end of the year.

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00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: The meta score on Metacritic is eight six right now,

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00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: and that's critic reviews. I don't understand how that number,

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00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: how it's reaching that number. Well, from my understanding, the

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00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: game is good, like the story is good, etcetera. Is

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Speaker 1: just really buddy and really glitchy and unplayable unless you're

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00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: on one of the newer Oh that's what it is.

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00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: You just have to have a PlayStation five. You just

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00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 1: have to eat at a lot and get the PlayStation

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00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: five or whatever that place was it was giving how

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00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: the machine? Wait what, but let us know your experience

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00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: with that, folks will We'll keep checking in with each

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Speaker 1: other to see which of us is the first to

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Speaker 1: take the leap uh, and then we will look forward

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Speaker 1: to hearing from you. What games have you played during

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Speaker 1: these our days of pandemic and board games count two

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Speaker 1: of course, Duncheons and Dragons of course, uh. Or what

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Speaker 1: weird skills have you picked up? I think we mentioned

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Speaker 1: this earlier, like everybody's been picking up a couple of

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Speaker 1: different weird skills. I think my most useless one is

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Speaker 1: that I memorized the periodic table, which will never come

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Speaker 1: in handing. I don't know for any This is not

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Speaker 1: breaking bad. This podcast is not breaking bad. It does

648
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Speaker 1: not matter that sometimes life, How amazing would it be

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Speaker 1: though that one moment, like we're all hanging out somewhere

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Speaker 1: I don't know, David Busters, Yes, exactly like trivia. Like

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Speaker 1: you ever go to team trivia. That's actually like one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite team trivia experiences ever. I got there

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Speaker 1: really late. It was almost the last round, but the

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Speaker 1: last final question, which was worth a whole bunch of points,

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Speaker 1: was put these letters in the Greek alphabet in order.

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Speaker 1: And I happen to know the Greek alphabet, and apparently

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Speaker 1: nobody else in the restaurant did, because me and my

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Speaker 1: friend that was there, we like literally came back and

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Speaker 1: won the whole game based off of my knowledge of

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Speaker 1: the Greek alphabet. So you could reach a similar amount

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Speaker 1: of glory one day and with the periodic table, perhaps, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'll double down on that. I feel like

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Speaker 1: I should. We should all memberize the Greek alphabet now.

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Speaker 1: It's uh, that feels like a worthwhile pursuit. I don't

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Speaker 1: think I know any about the other than you code

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Speaker 1: named Doc who knows the Greek alphabet. Matt, wait, do

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Speaker 1: you know, I know there's uh gosh, yeah, wow. I

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Speaker 1: feel how challenging that is. If you're the person to trivia,

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Speaker 1: let us know, yeah, let us know what odd skills

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Speaker 1: you have earned or which skills you plan to learn,

671
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Speaker 1: and if you are in the midst of something, acquiring

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Speaker 1: a new language, taking up a new hobby, so on.

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Speaker 1: Don't feel like you have to give it up just

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Speaker 1: when you're able to travel freely again. You might just

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Speaker 1: keep doing this for the love of the craft or

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Speaker 1: the love of the hobby, like those rats with cars.

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Speaker 1: It's the end of the year. I know it's not

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Speaker 1: necessarily strange news, but I got Can we please squeeze

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Speaker 1: it in just for a second, se just for a second. Okay,

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Speaker 1: thank you for humoring me, Matt, You're very kind. It's okay.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna just gonna do a dectic go search

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Speaker 1: for rats in cars. Oh no, this is just from

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Speaker 1: Car and Driver about rats in your engine. Sorry that

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Speaker 1: this isn't the right thing. Oh hey, here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: So we read a lot of studies in preparation for

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Speaker 1: this show, and a lot of them are very are

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Speaker 1: somewhat obscure, or they're somewhat uh well, disturbing because of

688
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Speaker 1: the nature of the show, but every so often when

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Speaker 1: we run across a really wholesome one that's kind of

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Speaker 1: feel good. It turns out that some scientists at the

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Speaker 1: University of Richmond, led by one Dr Kelly Lambert, decided

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Speaker 1: to build tiny, bespoke plastic cars for some lab rats.

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Speaker 1: And you can see a picture, you can see a

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Speaker 1: video and multiple media outlets of the rats driving their

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Speaker 1: tiny cars, and they found that while driving they're adorable cars,

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Speaker 1: the rats seemed to relax in a scientifically significant way

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Speaker 1: and this may also help with mental conditions or psychiatric

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Speaker 1: conditions for the rats due to the hormones that are released.

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Speaker 1: They also found out, you know, the rats were originally

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Speaker 1: trained to drive their little rat cars as a way

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Speaker 1: of obtaining treats, but once they learned how to drive,

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Speaker 1: they just like it. There's no reward involved. They just

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Speaker 1: they're like, oh, it's time to hopping, you know, like no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no no no no no no no no no no no,

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Speaker 1: no rat car and they just like they go for it. Uh,

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Speaker 1: this made me really excited. I don't think it's the

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Speaker 1: stuff they want you to know a show. But if

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Speaker 1: you are feeling down because it's been a tough year

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Speaker 1: for everybody, just go just google rats little plastic cars.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Wait, wait you think if you're listening

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Speaker 1: to there, you heard Ben say they're the rats were

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Speaker 1: less stressed in a scientifically significant way. Yes, they figured

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Speaker 1: it out by sifting through the rat poop to check

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Speaker 1: for levels of what is it, um, the hydro paying

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Speaker 1: up the hydro pie and drow stone yep, an anti

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Speaker 1: hormone for those of you that don't want to try

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Speaker 1: to pronounce that when you're recounting the story at your

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Speaker 1: next home. This is adorable. I love I love the idea,

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Speaker 1: and I wonder how you could apply this to humans,

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Speaker 1: just like that's why driving is so like I use

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Speaker 1: driving as a d stressor just driving to nowhere and

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Speaker 1: just going around and coming back and maybe listening to

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Speaker 1: a podcast while I'm doing it. Um, so it's interesting,

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Speaker 1: interesting finding. Yeah, And they even say that, um, it's

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Speaker 1: possible that the rats may have higher levels of this

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Speaker 1: anti stress hormone from the satisfaction of having learned a

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Speaker 1: new skill, which is the cutest thing I've ever heard.

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Speaker 1: And they also look very adorable in their cars. They're

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Speaker 1: also not driving in traffic, so don't beat yourself up

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Speaker 1: if if you want the people who hates driving because

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Speaker 1: it's always just pandemonium in your neck at the paved woods. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: these rats like driving rats are also incredibly intelligent, uh

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Speaker 1: there in a in a spooky way. But they also

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Speaker 1: This ties back into our earlier story because here's my pitch.

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Speaker 1: What if we give is rib to these rats, to

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Speaker 1: the ones that are driving, and what if we set

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Speaker 1: up like a fast and the furious kind of like

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Speaker 1: maybe a racing Mario Kart rowe rally kind of thing,

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Speaker 1: right with some obstacles, get really like keep it safe,

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Speaker 1: but you know, get a little twisted metal with it,

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Speaker 1: and um posted to YouTube and posted to YouTube for free.

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Speaker 1: This is for the people. This is not about profit.

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Speaker 1: We live stream it, we put it on twitch, whisker,

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00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: We put tiny little projectiles on their um so it

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Speaker 1: is really twisted metal. One is a clown. One of

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Speaker 1: the rats is a clown. Uh I'm excited about this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I I feel you, man, I'm excited too, and I

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Speaker 1: am only for the record thirty three percent joking three joking,

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Speaker 1: But turtle turtles, turtle shells. Yeah, yeah, Oh, I wonder

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Speaker 1: what happens if you give I wonder how these kinds

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Speaker 1: of drugs affect turtles. It's a brave new world, folks. Uh,

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Speaker 1: with this this we want to say, we have a

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Speaker 1: lot of work to do on We'll just call it

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Speaker 1: the rat Race. I think set work. Um, okay, we

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Speaker 1: have a lot of work to do on the rat

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Speaker 1: Race as we close out the end of the year,

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Speaker 1: and we want to hear from you. What do you

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00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: think the implications are of these new potential medicines. What

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Speaker 1: do you think the implications are of the massive hacks

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Speaker 1: that are being revealed left and right, it seems, and uh,

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Speaker 1: are you playing cyberpunk? What do you think about rats

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Speaker 1: and cars? Either way, let us or just just describe

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Speaker 1: to us in the greatest of detail your characters genitalia?

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Speaker 1: it to our complaint department. Jonathan Strickland, did iHeart radio

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Speaker 1: we shouldn't talk about any of this. Uh cut all

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Speaker 1: cut all of the Genitalia. Please don't cut the Genitalia.

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Speaker 1: Just cut the US talking about le Genitalia. Jonitalia okay,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan ste okay. So, so if you have any thoughts

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Speaker 1: conspiracy realists like yourself who will want to talk to you,

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Speaker 1: who want to hear what you have to say, and

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Speaker 1: it's a really cool environment to just share and you know,

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Speaker 1: discuss further. I would recommend it highly agreed, agreed. As

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Speaker 1: quite raise your rats, then you can call us directly

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Speaker 1: you'd be all right. We accept. That's awesome. Like Max

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