1 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: With the Talking Cowboys break streaming live on Dallas Cowboys 2 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: dot Com and the officials Dallas Cowboys out. Well, this 3 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: is a little different today. Yeah, Derek is Derek is 4 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: not in the normal spot that I will let you 5 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: know that Mike is very clean because Jesse Holly brings 6 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: his own clorox wipes to the studio and actually afterwards 7 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: he does just before after after. Yeah, I worked with 8 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: Jesse on the radio before he You want to follow 9 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: Jesse after every show? Wait, does Mackey not at all? 10 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: You've got some pizza breath working over there. We have 11 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: a lot going on today and tomorrow there's uh the 12 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: kickoff luncheon. There was practice us last night, there's a 13 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: game tomorrow. Mister Jones made some comments, a lot to 14 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: catch up on. So we are only doing one show 15 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: because everybody's kind of all over the place. So we're 16 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 1: doing Hanging with the Cowboys break and we've got I'm 17 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: hosting for once instead of Derek. So this is a 18 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: little different me being in this chair forgot talking Hanging 19 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 1: with the Talking Cowboys break man, I did do. That's okay, 20 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: don't worry about it. Football talk. So we got brought 21 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: us got Derek Eagleton, Nick eat Men, I am Shannon Gross. 22 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: Caten is man in the board. William is a man 23 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: in the streams. And here we are. So where do 24 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: you guys want to go? First? We had practice last night, 25 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: we had some comments Jerry made this morning. Where where 26 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: should we take properly? Probably should go with the boss. 27 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: I'm thinking that's the big news, right, all right, so 28 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: brought us You were listening this morning to the fan. 29 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: What kind of sum up what mister Jones said on 30 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: the fan? He's prepared to play without a sea Kiel Elliott. 31 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: He is. He's thinking this is a marathon, this is 32 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: long term. Uh, you know, I'd rather have him fresh, 33 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: ready to go if we have to attend this season. 34 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: But he's clearly dug in as Zeke is dug in. 35 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: He's dug in. He's betting that Zeke won't miss game checks. 36 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: That's what he's betting. And we'll see. I mean, it's 37 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: a it's a game of will now. And I know 38 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: Jerry Jones. I think everybody's room knows Jerry Jones. His 39 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: will is a lot stronger than a lot of people's will. 40 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: And you know there's a reason why he's had the 41 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: successes that he has because he has vision and he 42 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: understands that, Okay, if I have to wait you out, 43 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: I'll wait you out, and I have no problem with that. 44 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, he's that's that's kind of where we're at 45 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: right now. And you know, they feel good enough about 46 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: the Tony Pollard that going forward and if they have to, 47 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: they'll play with Tony Pollard and keep going. And he's negotiating. 48 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: He's doing it right through the media like they've done 49 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: all year, all offseason and training camp and all that. 50 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: So I think this is a big part of it. 51 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I disagree with what Jerry's saying, 52 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: but I also think he's making sure that Zeke and 53 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: his agent here is exactly what he's saying. You know, 54 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: is this funny though the narrative that we heard the 55 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: first meeting there in Oxnards some thirty days ago, that 56 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: we're not going to negotiate in the media, We're not 57 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: gonna well, this is the last time we're gonna talk 58 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: about it, and this it's been really the total opposite. 59 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: There's been there's been information here, there's been information here. 60 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: The owner goes on and says, well, wait a minute, 61 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: and Nick makes a very good point. Is yeah, there 62 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: for some organization that said we're not going to talk 63 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: about this anymore, they're talking about it a lot. Yeah, 64 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: and that's I think that's again send a message that agent. Yeah, 65 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: I think people need to realize. And I was telling 66 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: you guys before the show, I'd heard a couple of 67 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: national shows where they said Jerry has no choice but 68 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: to capitulate in this instance before you get to the game, 69 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: because they can't afford to not have Z. And I'm thinking, 70 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: y'all don't know Jerry very well. But one thing I 71 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: know about working with the Jones family, they are some 72 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: hard negotiators, Like they are not like when you get 73 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: into a negotiation with them, they're gonna negotiate hard. Yes, 74 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: And in this instance, they feel like they have all 75 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: the leverage. And that's the whole thing about a negotiation. 76 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: It's about how much leverage do you have and how 77 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: much leverage can you apply? And the only leverage that 78 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: Zeke has really is can you win without me? Right, 79 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: They look at this situation and they say, hey, we 80 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: got this young kid who's looking pretty good. And by 81 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: the way, her defense looks pretty good. And we think 82 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: our quarterbacks better than he was last year. So they 83 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: start looking at all that and they're like, we'll take 84 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: a chance on this, and if we happen to win, 85 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: whatever leverage he thought he had completely gone. So to them, 86 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: I would look at this if I'm if I'm in 87 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: their shoes, I would look look at this as this 88 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: is a very calculated risk to take. But if it 89 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: works out, it changes the whole negotiation of the deal 90 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: that he wants and what he's asking for because he 91 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: loses every bit of leverage that he might have at 92 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: this point. Well, it also sets presidents for other deals. 93 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: You want to hold out on us, We'll keep drafting players, 94 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: will keep playing big ones coming out. Yeah, well, we'll 95 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: just keep going on. And if you and if you 96 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: can basically wait out one of your best players, it 97 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: the other guys gop many. They quickly did to Zeke 98 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: and they flip it over to Jalen and they're like, 99 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: huh yeah, well but all our shows that I think 100 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: have been really consistent about talking about oh wait a minute, 101 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: the Cowboys are willing to do deals if you're willing 102 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: to come in and work with them. It's not like, 103 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: you know, Stephen Jones shared Jones have voice said we're 104 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: not going to set market here. We're gonna pay what 105 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: we can pay, and and we're gonna move on. And 106 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: but they've been very consistent about also telling us that listen, 107 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: doors open, you just got to come in and work 108 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: with us. And Hey, like I said, I think Nick 109 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: I said, I think you said on your show the 110 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: other day about you know, Jayalen's gonna come back in 111 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,119 Speaker 1: a couple of years and go, wait, man, I'm playing 112 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: better than this contract. He's gonna get paid, he's gonna 113 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: keep You know, this is not the end of Jayleen's 114 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: a great guy. This is Jayleen just saw an opportunity 115 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: to get some cash now and then like whoa wait 116 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: a minute, now I could do I'm doing this. I'm 117 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: playing better than vander esh I'm helping the defense, you know. Yeah, 118 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: and this is this is clearly a calculated move on 119 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: his part. Yeah, And Nate Nate on our show last 120 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: week he kind of called this He's been in that 121 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: room with Jerry, He's he's seen these negotiations over years. 122 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: He actually said I think he's dug in. He said, 123 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: I can hear it in his voice and if you 124 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: read between the lines, he's making a stand and he's 125 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: he's like, I think I think he's not moving on 126 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: this one. So looks like that's happening. You know. The 127 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: interesting thing I wish I wish we knew what the 128 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: hang up points were, because we talked about this a 129 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: few weeks ago on the show Nick. If you remember, 130 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: we were talking about kind of where where the top 131 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: guys are, particularly Girly and Levon Bell, with regard to 132 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: their their average salary and their guarantees, And the only 133 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: big difference was the guarantees. They were pretty close and 134 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: average salary, but when you started talking about the guarantees, 135 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: I think it was like, I want to say, it's 136 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: almost twenty million dollar difference in guarantees. And I wonder 137 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: if the sticking point in this whole thing is the 138 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: Cowboys saying, yeah, we'll make you the highest average salary. 139 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: We'll get above that fourteen million that that girl is given. 140 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: We'll give you fourteen five whatever that number is, right, 141 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: We're just not willing to guarantee up to where where 142 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: Girly was guaranteed. If that is the sticking point, I'm 143 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: having a hard time with why Zeke would feel so 144 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: much like he should get those higher guarantees because everything 145 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: about what he's been so far with the Cowboys suggests 146 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: that he should be willing to say, hey, make me 147 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: give me the money. But if if things don't work out, 148 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: if I screw this thing up, I shouldn't have. But 149 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm saying, when you're in a negotiation, you 150 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: have to kind of think about Okay, I understand certain 151 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: points of what I really want to get, but also 152 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: I gotta be realistic. And in this instance, I think 153 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: that's a point that's hard to argue for him. It's hard, 154 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: it would be hard. And again this is an assumption 155 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: that maybe that's the sticking point. But if it is, 156 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: I honestly don't understand how he and his agent could 157 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: make that argument that he should be making girly guarantees 158 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: instead of closer to levy on you. But if I'm 159 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: the agent, If I'm the agent, I know Zeke is 160 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: one accusation, not he doesn't have to do anything. Absolutely 161 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: one accusation away from my paycheck in my livelihood for 162 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: the next ten years. If I'm the agent, I wan't 163 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: all that money up front. But because if he gets accused, 164 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: he may be out of the league. And then you 165 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: sit here at Jerry and said, all right, he's one 166 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: accusation away from from all of that happened. He could 167 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: be out of the league. So the Cowboys would use 168 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: that negotiation right back at him. Yeah, exactly right. But 169 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: see that's what this morning though, Jerry said that that 170 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: doesn't bother him, and I you know that you kind 171 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: of go, okay, yeah, how can it not. I mean, 172 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: you're the one that's you know, you've you've you've you've 173 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: even went after the commissioner to try and protect Zeke, 174 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: is what you did. So he has to understand that, 175 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, you're you're one acquisition, acquisition away, or 176 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 1: one punch in the face of somebody, or one push 177 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: or whatever from being out of this league again. You 178 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: put your fate into Commissioner's hands, you know, no telling 179 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: what's going to happen. And Zeke's done that far too much. Yeah, 180 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 1: and do you think do you guys think him being 181 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: in Cabo, whether that's the agent trying to keep him 182 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: away or him being away, has has affected these negotiations 183 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: at all? Yes, I couldn't, Jerry had asked, I mean 184 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: Jerry said this morning, it's it's easier when it's easy 185 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: to get these kinds of deals done when the player 186 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: is there with you and you're having some face to 187 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 1: face conversations rather than always going through the agent. Um 188 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: and I do believe, you know, you sit down with 189 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: a gal of or beer and you just really start 190 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: talking about what's important to you, what's important to me, 191 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: let's figure out a deal, And sometimes that gets it 192 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: done more than having the attorney stock because when the 193 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: attorney's talk, they got a whole different agenda. Right. We 194 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: saw what we saw what fa Yeah, we saw what 195 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: face to face does for Lawrence. You know, It's like, listen, 196 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: I'm tired of this, you know, and you know, I 197 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: think there's I think there's more problems with the agent 198 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: than there is with the player me personally. I really do. 199 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: And I feel like though that, you know, it's gonna 200 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: get to a point where, if the holdout goes into 201 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: the season, Zeke's gonna have to look and maybe even 202 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: Zeke's family, as far as how involved they get, are 203 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 1: gonna look at this and say, what are we doing here? 204 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: Are we really is this really the best thing for us? 205 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: Right now? You know, and the agent is gonna have 206 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: to answer some tough questions. I mean he is. He's 207 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: gonna have to be put on notice by that family 208 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: and by Zeke that Okay, I'm doing this for the 209 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: best interests of you, but really is it the best 210 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: interests I think that's that's that's something that's going to 211 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: come up here in the next a few weeks if 212 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: ze continues to sit. You know one thing too, that 213 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: the Cowboys, you know, you talk about not wanting to 214 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: set the market. Some teams do that, and I I don't know, 215 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: for years or the Raiders used to do that, and 216 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: they would sign players at this ridiculous number. And now 217 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, everybody's targeting that. And I guarantee 218 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: the Rams look at what happened with Gurley and they 219 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: probably don't like the deal. And the Cowboys don't like 220 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: the deal either. So therefore, why should I have to 221 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: top this bad deal and give you this money? This 222 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: is fair money right here. I don't have to pay 223 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: Girly that money. He's limping around in the Super Bowl 224 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: making that kind of money. That's not good a good deal, 225 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: So why should I have to best it? There's plenty 226 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: of deals around the league where you know, when guys 227 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: get drafted or you know, signed or whatever, you're going, yeah, 228 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: what are they doing? You know? And I'm sure they're 229 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: doing the same things sitting there when some of the 230 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: stuff we were doing the early two thousands, they're going, 231 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: what are they doing over there? You know kind of 232 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: a thing. But yeah, you know, just because somebody made 233 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: a bad deal doesn't mean you have to make a 234 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: bad deal too. To Nick's point, you know, they look 235 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: at they look at the numbers, and sometimes you can 236 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: see creative ways to make deals. You could say, Okay, yeah, 237 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: I get it, that's that's that's a good it's a 238 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: good way to do it. And other times it's like 239 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: what what why would you do that? And I think 240 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: in this case, the Girly deal has a lot to 241 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: do with that what why would you do it that 242 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: way kind of a thing. And I honestly think they 243 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: believe that the Levy on Bell deal actually reset the market, 244 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: because I think that was the market correction. You get 245 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 1: the Girly deal, it was way out there. I think 246 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: the level Bell deal came and in their opinion, that 247 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: reset the market and right at the market and say it, Hey, 248 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: this deal is out of whack. This is more where 249 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: it should be. And I think that's where they're negotiated from. 250 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: Is that's the deal that really is the market set? 251 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: Are not necessarily the Girly deal. Girly deals an outlier. 252 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: I think the way they look at Yeah, but if 253 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: they did, if they look at the Girly numbers and said, Okay, 254 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: we're okay with the Girly numbers itself, but we're not 255 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: okay with the guarantee, is are they really using the 256 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: Bell numbers? Are they're using the Girly numbers? I think 257 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: they're using the guarantees of the Bell number that the 258 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: guarantee that I would guess there they're willing to say, Hey, 259 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: the guarantees of the Bell deals probably closer to what 260 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: this thing should be. I mean you're talking. I want 261 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: to say, Girly was like forty seven million guarantee or 262 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: something like that, Yeah, and you're more like about twenty 263 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: seven with Bell. I mean it was it was a 264 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: lot cheaper in as far as guarantees are concerned. And 265 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: I think they look at it and say that reset 266 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: the market, the Girly deals out of whack. We're not 267 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: going there that Bell deal is more we're negotiating on 268 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: and I think Zeke is looking at it as we 269 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: want girly plus some right we were not only are 270 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: we taking the girly deal, we want more on top 271 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 1: of that because we want to be truly compensated as 272 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: the best running back in the NFL. Nice watch, by 273 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,959 Speaker 1: the way, brought us. That's a big watch. Can't see that. 274 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: You're a big man, but that's a big thank you 275 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: watches that in victory. That sounds real. Fanasy to be 276 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: a lot bigger. Yeah, I don't know. I just can't 277 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: see the face. That's my problem. You can what's that 278 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 1: guy who was the guy used to wear the clock 279 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: around his neck? Favorite? Yeah that needs to be me. Yeah, 280 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: kind that needs to be me. Keep losing weight, that's 281 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: gonna try. I'm trying. I mean bounder you now now 282 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: about thirty five soda? Yeah, wait for it, state of 283 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: the art. Damn. Funny thing is that's not somebody to 284 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: say on on Twitter. The other day you got a 285 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: picture up there and they were like, brought us is 286 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: just withering away? Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's it's losing 287 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: a lot of weight here. It's funny I'm losing, but 288 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: I'm growing my hair. If you know this, Derek, I mean, 289 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. We're going all in with the hair, David. 290 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: I am going Larry Davidson. I might look like been Franklin. 291 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: I will Continental Congress here, I can all right. Before 292 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: we move on from Zke doesn't miss miss games? Go 293 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: around the table, Nick, No, No, Derek, I'm sorry to think. Yes, yes, 294 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 1: brought us. Man, I've been on the table for no 295 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: the whole time, flip flop now, and I think that 296 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: he will. But man, I just oh, he's not gonna 297 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: miss game checks. He's not gonna miss game checks. I see, 298 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think he should. I just think 299 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: I think this is one of the situations where you 300 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: got two strong willed people. Oh no, him, and I 301 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: think because you're wrong. I think because of that, they're 302 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: gonna be in this stalemate. And I just I just 303 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: think this thing is gonna go down to a point 304 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: where we're gonna get to next Thursday, next Friday, we're 305 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: gonna be like, oh, well, oh it's it's the same 306 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: thing that we dealt with when he was getting suspended. Yeah, exactly, Yes, 307 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: he's playing. Yeah, Oh he's no. What's going on? Yeah, 308 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: all that we started learning about legal jargon and stuff 309 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: like that, there's I flip. I don't like the flip flop. 310 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: I don't like the ride defense I've been on. He's 311 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: not missing games. But I think that Derek is going 312 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: to be right about this. I do, I just, I 313 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: just I'm gonna keep saying that he's not gonna miss checks, 314 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: He's not gonna miss checks, and then until he doesn't 315 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: show up. But that's that's I'm kind of leaning that 316 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: way too. What's the latest. He could show up next 317 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: week and still be a factor in the game Saturday, 318 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: kind of like getting on the plane going and stadium 319 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: on Sunday one. Yeah, and it's like the suit he 320 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: was expecting to come jogging out yesterday. Last night we 321 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: were practicing just show up on the field. No, but 322 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: he Let's remember this, this holdout has not been like 323 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: Leveon Bells, where he missed the whole entire offseasons and 324 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: the OTAs and all that. He took every single rep 325 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: that they threw out there, and it was what they 326 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: call installation period. They're still running plays that a Zekla 327 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: runs thirty eight thirty seven thirty two. Oh wait minute, 328 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: thew was screen. Okay, now you can figure out. Okay, hey, Zeke, 329 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: by the way, we're gonna put the salute new little 330 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: number thirty six in the backfield with you. We want 331 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: you to blitz pick up. We're gonna throw him the ball, 332 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, there's there's things that he's gonna 333 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: have to learn, but he could literally he could show 334 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: up and you can hand the ball to him twenty 335 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: five times and I think he'd be all right. Let 336 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: me ask this question. Do you guys think that because 337 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: because he missed all the training camp and the Cowboys 338 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: were able to see a ton of Tony Pollard with 339 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: the number one offense as well as see him in 340 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: the preseason for the limited snaps at the number one 341 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: offense was out there, do you think that even when 342 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: Zeke comes back, it changes the dynamic of how much 343 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: they use Zeke versus Pollard because now they've seen something 344 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: from Pollard that maybe they like. I think Kellen Moore 345 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: is excited about having both of them in the backfield 346 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: at the same time. Yeah, I really do. I think 347 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: he's going to find ways, but yeah, you know, maybe 348 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: this will save some of the wear and tear. When 349 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: we start talking about thirteen and Nick kind of I'm 350 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: listening to his show while I'm walking, and Nick goes, 351 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: you know, Zeke looks like he's really beat up, banged up. 352 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's really he's I don't know 353 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: how he's answering the bell each week. Now it's like, Zeke, 354 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: you know, no no training camp, basically not basically no 355 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: training camp. And then you have a back that looks sticky. 356 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: Keep him fresh. This this might be exactly what they need. 357 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: Hopefully when he comes out of the game and Rod 358 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: Smith would come in, everybody's like, out there, yeah, how many? 359 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: How long we got to do this? Like how many? Serious? 360 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: I think Pollard will be able to be out there 361 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: a little bit more well too. This is going to 362 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: be interesting to see what happened. It's not usually that interesting. 363 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: This is going to be that for We don't know 364 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: what what kind of game Kellen Moore's gonna call. We 365 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: really don't Yeah, we know, you know, Scott Lenahan, it 366 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: was like run run, pass, run, pass, run, you know, 367 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: I mean we were kind of, you know, we kind 368 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: of got into a mode with Kelly. We really don't 369 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: know we just don't know. He might just come out 370 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: winning a play action right off the bat, or he 371 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: might just say, you know what, I don't have Zeke. 372 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to tie my runs, but I'm gonna 373 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: put this on Prescott's back. The reason why I asked 374 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: that question is because now I start to wonder does 375 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: that affect how the Cowboys are willing to negotiate his contract, 376 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: Because if they're feeling like, hey, we're actually about to 377 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: use you a little less, that doesn't mean he's not 378 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: going to be a part of game. On any means 379 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: he's going to be the primary back. But if they're 380 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: seeing a scenario where, hey, we think we can get 381 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: this other guy here in here a little bit more 382 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: and our team is going to be less dependent on 383 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 1: you as the single runner for this team, does that 384 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: change the dynamic of how much you're willing to pay 385 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: that guy. If you're thinking about we got to pay 386 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: a quarterback, we gotta pay a receiver at vander Esch 387 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: coming up a couple of years down the road, We're 388 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: got to figure out that because at some point you 389 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: gotta you gotta re up some of these other young 390 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: guys that are coming through do what you do with 391 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: Cheetah Bay. I mean, there are other guys that are 392 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: gonna be coming along. It makes you kind of reevaluate 393 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: maybe that. And do they then, whatever offer they may 394 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: have on the table, do they take that thing off 395 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: the table and say at this point, hey, we're negotiating 396 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: this thing. And so there's a little bit of danger 397 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: there for and I talked about this earlier. There's a 398 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: little bit of danger there for Zeke and his camp 399 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: because if he decides that he wants to try this 400 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: with the games and they actually confirm that Pollard is 401 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: pretty good in there with the ones playing as a starter, 402 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 1: even when Zeke comes back, it may drastically change how 403 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: they look at Zeke as far as what he means 404 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 1: to this offense. Well, but if he comes back, I mean, 405 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: how does he come back. Does he come back with 406 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: a new deal that's got all these games. That's my 407 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: point though, is if he misses a game or two 408 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: and Pollard plays really well, then maybe the Cowboys think 409 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: about it from the standpoint of we're not even willing 410 00:18:58,240 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: to pay you what we were willing to pay you 411 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: off the table, right the deals off the table where 412 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: the Shark tank you know, things change, right, It changes, right. 413 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: I mean they may say they may say, hey, we'll 414 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: give you, we'll give you that that average that you want, 415 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: but we only want to do a three year deal. 416 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: Yeah right, because we might think that, you know, another 417 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: three years, you might be closer to be to towards 418 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: the end of your career and this guy is gonna 419 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 1: be just taking off and we're gonna have to pay him. Right. So, 420 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 1: I just think there's a lot to think about for 421 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: Zeke and his camp with regards to holding out over games. 422 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,479 Speaker 1: Have you do you feel like that you can you 423 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: can you play without the Zeek or can you play 424 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: without Amari Cooper? Have you proven that right now? Yeah? Well, 425 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: I feel very good winning without either one. I feel 426 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: I feel more comfortable playing without Zeke. I know that 427 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: sounds crazy. I feel more comfortable right now playing without 428 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: Zeke than I do Fanom because of because of Pollard. Okay, now, 429 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: they wouldn't have drafted Pollard if it was more in 430 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: a ton of trouble right now. Yeah, but and let's 431 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: also be clear, hasn't done it in a regular season, 432 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: It hasn't done it over an entire game, Like he's 433 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: just done a couple, you know, a series or two. 434 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,120 Speaker 1: That's that's it. The folks on Periscoper saying right now, 435 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,719 Speaker 1: they don't think Pollard can get Zeke's numbers. We don't know. 436 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: All we know is what we've seen, right, and it's 437 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: been it just went straight No, did you. I don't 438 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: think he could get that, you know. I mean, Zeke's 439 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: like rushing totals, Like I said, two thousand yards, that's 440 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: what you have right there. That was two thousand and 441 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: one yards last year. But but but let's also be clear, 442 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: he doesn't necessarily have to do that in order to 443 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: be an effective running back. I talked about it the 444 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: other day on the show. Look at at McCaffrey and 445 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: what he does out in Carolina, right, that kind of 446 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: running back that's gonna give you seventy yards rushing, seventy 447 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: yards receiving and a touchdown or two. That can be 448 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: just as effective as a guy's gonna give you one 449 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 1: hundred and forty yards on the ground and only fifteen 450 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: twenty yards receiving, especially in a PPR league. Definitely definitely 451 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 1: a PR league. But but my point is, I think 452 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: there are different ways to do it to be effective 453 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: as a running back Tony Pollard won't do it like Zeke. 454 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: He's not the same kind of running back. But there's 455 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: a way to make him effective in the NFL. We've 456 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: seen it done before. This is not something that would 457 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: be new and different in the NFL. But on third 458 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: and one when he gets hit in the backfield, is 459 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: he gonna still extend the ball, carry four guys and 460 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: get the first down in the fourth quarter or is 461 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: he gonna just go down? What I know is in 462 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: shortyarders last year Zeke, Zeke wasn't great, Like we didn't 463 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: have that was a problem last year. Did we not 464 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: talk about that when he was in and know when 465 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: they were on those shortyard situations trying to get into 466 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: the end zone they weren't great and they're in the 467 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: red zone, Yeah, they weren't great. I think some of 468 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: the issues too with Sue Philo and Looney no point 469 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: of attack blocking tight end. I think that was submission. Still, 470 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: the point was even with the offensive line, the offensive 471 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: line wasn't playing at an It wasn't like Zeke was 472 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: gonna be able to all of a sudden have four 473 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,719 Speaker 1: guys on him and still get the first down. That 474 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: wasn't the case, you got your offensive line back. Now 475 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 1: because you got Frederick back, you hope that he's back 476 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: too close to being what he was. With all that said, 477 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: does the offensive line create the right kind of opportunities 478 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: for Paula to be successful? Well? I think Pollard has 479 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: drafted to be a complimentary back, and I think that's 480 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: what exactly what he needs to be. If you try 481 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: to make him anything more than that, I just don't 482 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: think it's gonna It's not gonna be Zeke. He's not 483 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: a workhorseback, absolutely, and so you know, you might be 484 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: able to get through a game or two, but I 485 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: just don't. I don't think it's gonna be a situation 486 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: where you're gonna he's just gonna be your feature back. Now, 487 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 1: I don't with the best defense you can get by 488 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: with Tony Pollard, right, do you think your defense? I 489 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 1: mean that's part of it, hope. So, Yeah, I think 490 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: the defense is the most improved thing on this team 491 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: they do. Honestly, Yeah, I think that when we finished 492 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: the season, I think the defense will be the thing 493 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: that we say that's the best thing that they do. 494 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: Is do you have a legit opportunity this year to 495 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 1: have a top five defense and a top ten offense. 496 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: I think I think both sides of all from what 497 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: we've seen, the tools you have that back, I think 498 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: I'll take a top five scoring defense myself too. Yeah, 499 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: this whole Zeke thing might wind up being a blessing 500 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: in disguise. Zeke missus camp, he's fresh, he comes in. 501 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: You got first team hopefully. Yeah, you got first team 502 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: reps with Pollard. So now you know, you know, if 503 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: Zeke was there, you wouldn't have seen all this. You 504 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't know that. Hey, this this is a legitimate We 505 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: think we got a legitimate back. Tony's injury was a 506 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: Tony Romo's injury was a blessing this guy for everybody, 507 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: but Tony got broken half. I tell you what they 508 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: gave up on that quick. That could be a Deep 509 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: Blue in the future. They did blessings in disguise. The title. 510 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: Let's take a break real quick. Speaking of Deep Blue, 511 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: got one of those coming out too, don't we tomorrow? Yeah, 512 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: Brian's gonna hate it. I just finished watching it. Did 513 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: Brian's on it? I'm on it. He's gonna hate it. 514 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 1: What is it? Let's talk about it when we come back. 515 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 1: Talk about the game. Let's talk about man. We might 516 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: have to go an hour game practice cuts. We got 517 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. We'll be right back on hanging 518 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: with the talking Cowboys break. While the player could look 519 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: good on paper, it's when he's out on the field 520 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: that you really find out what he's made of. 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Nice here, pods Derek? What That's all 564 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: I can compliment you on, because I mean Nick's got 565 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: a great shirt, He's got a great watch. You you 566 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: don't have? You have you trust today? Where's the jacket today? 567 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: I don't use a jacket in heard yet meat sweats 568 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,959 Speaker 1: the other I did. He got hot in here, and 569 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm never wearing a jacket in here 570 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,239 Speaker 1: over again, because they've jacked up Somebody didn't tell me 571 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: they've jacked up flights in here. Somebody's done something to 572 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: make it hotter in here. And you make me do 573 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: eighteen hours or draft crpege in here. It's like it's 574 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: like Okay, we're picked two sixteen. Next year, Bron's gonna 575 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: do it shirtless with a Miller like stints along je. 576 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: I'm totally delirious in here, and yeah, you got the 577 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 1: meat sweats the other The worst thing is this time 578 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 1: of year so hot outside. It doesn't take long get going. 579 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: And it was hot in here that day. It was 580 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: like that yesterday. You were like, it's a little warm 581 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,239 Speaker 1: in here. He started wiping, wiping his brows, like all right, 582 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: here we go. People are saying Pollard has to run 583 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: against anything but second third string defenses. Hey, it's all good, 584 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: that's fine. A fans so bitter, are they? I mean, 585 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: they're kind of bitter people, aren't they. I don't think 586 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 1: she's finding that. I think they just got they got 587 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: their own opinions, and that's okay. I mean, the one 588 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: thing I've learned is that they had their own opinions 589 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: and they want to throw them out there in social 590 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: media gives in the venue an opinion that he didn't 591 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: run against Aaron Donald and the Rams. He didn't do that, 592 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: and he did against J. J. Watt and he got 593 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 1: stuffed a couple of times back there. He still made 594 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: some nice plays so yeah, Okay, we all know he 595 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: hasn't done anything. I think he's got talent. The issue is, 596 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: until we see it, everybody's not going to be convinced. 597 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, he's gonna have to 598 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: show it over more than just one game and forward 599 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: for everybody to be convinced. But I think I've seen 600 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: enough to where I'm at east intrigued. And that's what 601 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 1: me and Day were talking about the other day on 602 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: the show. We both will be intrigued to see this 603 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: now because he's shown enough to where I would love 604 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: to see how they can use him, especially in an 605 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: offense like what I think Kellen Moore is gonna gonna create. 606 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: I would love to see him in that offense because 607 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 1: I do think there's something in those kind of running 608 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: backs and using them in the wide open, spread out 609 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: type offenses. I think there's some things you can do 610 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: with those guys that I think he'd be really good for. 611 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, deep Blue that we were talking about 612 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: tomorrow two o'clock. What is it? It is called the 613 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: late Hit, and it's on Roy Williams, the safety and 614 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: his career with the Cowboys and being drafted, you know, 615 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: from Oklahoma being drafted here as a dynamic, game changing player, 616 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: and he changed the game. He just didn't change it 617 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: in the way that everyone thought he would. Obviously, the 618 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: rules and now that the horse caller rules and things 619 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: that he was a big part of the game today 620 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: is completely different. And he's a reason why. Man, he 621 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: was fun to watch unless you were a receiver going 622 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,479 Speaker 1: over the middle. But on the side, really the story 623 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: is the reason why it's called the late hit is 624 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: if you put him in the seventies, eighties, and nineties, 625 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: he's probably a Hall of Fame player. Darren Woodson says 626 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: that Brian's on camera saying that, and and people believe that. 627 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: And I think, you know it was Rich Drymple, the 628 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: Cowboys PR director, he said, you know, he was the 629 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: next Rodney Lott. They just NFL didn't want Ronney Lott anymore. 630 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: A lot there was a lot there was atwater. Was 631 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: Roy the last of the big hitting safeties? I know 632 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: he was in that era, but was he probably one 633 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: of the last. You know, those guys, I mean John 634 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: Lynch and Dawkins and those guys still hit and you 635 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: know got the Redskins. Yeah, Sean Taylor, Yeah, yeah, Yeah, 636 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: but he even said it in the documentary, Roy says, 637 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: I if I in today's game, I'd be playing for 638 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: free because I get I get fined every every minute. Yeah. 639 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: So he was such a unique athlete for a big man. 640 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: And what happened to him though, in it's a shame 641 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: that he lost his thought about how to play coverage, 642 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: you know, I mean it was like all of a sudden, 643 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: you could tell he just did not want to be 644 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: embarrassed anymore by it. And I think that was a 645 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: big thing you talk about with you know, the hitting 646 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: part and all that, which was tremendous, and you know, 647 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: they took that element in his game. But all now 648 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: he's like he goes from Okay, I'm a big hitter, 649 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: where I got to play coverage now? And that was 650 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: that and he became a liability in that to the 651 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: point where there would be days at practice where I 652 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't even see him do one on ones where he 653 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: just did not like the compete period that they do 654 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: out here with the one on stuff. That would drive 655 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: him that that would be anxiety Ville for him. And 656 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: but yeah, he's just an incredible player when you watched him, 657 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: studied him, drafted, him. I mean, it's incredible how we 658 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: actually drafted him. I think you have to watch the 659 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: documentary itself because it came down to it's one of 660 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: the great stories and my draft day experience of Jerry 661 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: Jones having two general managers on the phone at the 662 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: same time and getting one to admit, or getting them 663 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: to admit who they were going to take. You never 664 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: get that in a war room, never in that situation. 665 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: That just showed you what Jerry Jones can do. And 666 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: he got him. He says, hey, go some voice. You know, 667 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: this is kind of where we're at, and let's do 668 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: what we have to do. So yeah, it's it's totally 669 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: worth watching the stock Just to clarify the reason why 670 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: I said Brian's gonna hate it because we filmed it 671 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: about a couple of months ago and that's before, so 672 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: not gonna like it because it's like the old self. 673 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: It's a great story. It is a great story, and 674 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: we didn't at that time, we didn't have a lot 675 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: of great stories. We we didn't do a very good 676 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: job with player of it. He was your marquee player. 677 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: Because that's when I came in and I worked on 678 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: the merch side and that was the only guy we 679 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: could sell. His jersey was thirty. You didn't have any 680 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: offensive guys when you're five eleven, you don't have a lot. 681 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: Really struggled, So we struggled, and it was it was 682 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: there was a lot going on at that time, and 683 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: you know, we had to try and find something and 684 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: it kind of led towards Parcels coming in. Not kind 685 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: of it. He did come in. Yeah, but yeah, it's 686 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: a it's a fascinating story because we did. We had 687 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: a lot of problems evaluating players and finding the right one, 688 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: and he was the right one. It's just a shame that, 689 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: like Nick said that Derek, that the league took away 690 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: his main strength. Let me let me say this too 691 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: about Roy. And if there was a player over the 692 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: twenty years here that I've maybe had a couple of 693 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: run ins with, it would be Roy. You know. Um, 694 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: he didn't really grasp the Dallas Cowboys dot com as 695 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: of being media. Are you are you with us? Are 696 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: you not? Yeah? Are you on our team bus? Are 697 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: you you know literally, are you are on the plane 698 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: or are you writing against us? You know? And so 699 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: that's where he didn't really understand. But we had a 700 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: long talk one time in Oxnard. I think you were 701 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: checking on me a few times to see if I 702 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: was okay, because it was a long talk out there 703 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: on that field. Kind of worried. I was worried about Nicky, 704 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: but um to say that now you know, we've come 705 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: full circle, and we did. We've done this and he 706 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: has been the most accommodating player that I have worked 707 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: with in any of these Deep blues. It has been unbelievable. 708 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: The stuff that he's given us as far as tapes 709 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: and memorabilia and things to go through, and and he's 710 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: been so accommodating, it's been unbelievable. So and he said it. 711 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: He said it because I told him, I was like, 712 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: you know, there's there's a negative tone about you, but 713 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: we're not trying to go that route. He said, you 714 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: do the documentary your way. Oh wow, you do it 715 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: your way, and I'm gonna love it. And I appreciate 716 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: that he has been. I went to Oklahoma's work out 717 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago for Joe Mixon and that group, 718 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: and he was there, and he came up and he 719 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: couldn't have been like nick said, more, you know, more 720 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: nice and gracious, He's like, hey, when you're not gonna 721 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: go fishing, And I would have never ever thought that 722 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: he would ever want to go fishing with me. But 723 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: he's like, no, I hear you fish where you go? 724 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,479 Speaker 1: You know all that. So, yeah, it's great. And like 725 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: I said, it's a great story. It is a great story. 726 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: It's a shame that it kind of came it came 727 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: to the end the way it did, because he could 728 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: have been a tremendous player. He was a tremendous player. 729 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: He just it's his career wasn't nearly long enough. I 730 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: saw Broad is in it. Wood He's in it. Who else? 731 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: Who else is in um? Andre Gerrard is in it? 732 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: He was he was drafted in there. Yeah, Bob stooped 733 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: went to his mansion house and uh in the Norman 734 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: That was fun um house. Dave, you said, Campo came 735 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,800 Speaker 1: up to the training camp and we got to interview 736 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: him and um, you know, Brian will McClay, some Chris Hall, 737 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: some scouts that were there, some of them that were 738 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: in the war room for that crazy time. Davis. Keith Davis, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 739 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: Keith was there. We're gonna do a documentary him too. 740 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're gonna do something on him. He's got 741 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: a great story. How many times he gets shot? I 742 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: don't know, but enough twice I know of we know 743 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: some great, great stories about Keith Davis. And then you've 744 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: been shot twice yea to two different like actually four times, 745 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: like twice on each time. And I said, how many 746 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 1: times have you been shot at? He goes, I don't know. 747 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 1: I don't he played with the bullet in his body. 748 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: Don't know I been shot at. That's the story, right, 749 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: that's the late hit tomorrow two o'clock. Right, website, all 750 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: of our social channels that'll go live and then you 751 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: can catch it on demand after So we're worth checking out. 752 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: So who worked on it with you? And Steve Sullivan 753 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: and Alex Lily worked on it from in the back. 754 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: But but Steve Sullivan, who's who's been worked for NFL 755 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: films for years. He's done a lot of these documentaries. 756 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: He's done Tyron Crawford one with that. You were a 757 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: part it, I mean nominated. Dang, we didn't get it, now, 758 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: you know what. I really didn't care. I was just 759 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: happy to be in the room. But getting that close, 760 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: I'm like, I got I want one. Yeah, I want one. 761 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: All right, I want one. Well, let's go get it. 762 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: Kid on the show, the only one on our show. 763 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: I got two former players that played for the Cowboy 764 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: but Cowboys that got Kurt, that's that's one of em. 765 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: Me now Douglas that's been on a station. That's one 766 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,839 Speaker 1: of Marconi and me. I gotta do something. And you're yeah, 767 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: was that safe for our production value? Our social our 768 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 1: social team was two years ago that you guys were 769 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: in the room two or three the Sports Business Journal 770 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: best Best in Sports Social Media with Jerry on the 771 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: plane and take the take. The more I think about that, 772 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: the more I think it was kind of a pity thing, 773 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: Like we're honoring Jerry for like all Time Achievement Award. 774 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: What can we How can we get the Cowboys involved 775 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: so he can have social media? Yeah, don't do that 776 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: to you. So I'm not I'm just kidding. All right. 777 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: We got about we were gonna go thirty minutes, but 778 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: I'm thinking maybe we at least go forty five, maybe 779 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: an hour? Is it worth even talking about practice? Last night? 780 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 1: Anything happened? We need to do that? Yeah, you got 781 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: you got a lot of guys practicing. Well what happened? 782 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: Yeah to me and and scouts. I will be up 783 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: here this in a little bit, um. But this was 784 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,760 Speaker 1: the last public practice. Last public practice. And nice crowds 785 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: by the way. Oh yeah, great turnout at the Ford Center. 786 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: They're at the Star and so I do that right, 787 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: didn't Fort Center? Yeah? Fort Center? Yeah? And so uh, 788 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: the I think the thing is you've got you got 789 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: Lawrence practicing now, and you've got Crawford practicing now, You've 790 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 1: got Jones practicing now, corners, so which is great. Yeah, 791 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 1: these guys, yeah, these guys that are all getting involved. 792 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: There was a lot of worry about week one. But man, 793 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: these guys they're looking good. I mean as far as 794 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: the movement stuff like that. They're getting knocked around. They 795 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: were in full pads a little bit Byron Jones got 796 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 1: to do some coverage stuff where he got to move 797 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: and turn and stuff. So is he going to be 798 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 1: ready week one? Yes? Yes, I do so. He looked 799 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: good to you, He looked good to me. He did 800 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: look good, and I and I think that you know, 801 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: he was actually running with the twos yesterday just to 802 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: kind of you know, they these these corners have been 803 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: doing great as far as I'm concerned. You know, when 804 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: you look at Brown, Brown had another really nice day. 805 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: Lewis Cheeto, I mean, Cheeto has been outstanding as well, 806 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: so he's having to kind of work his way back in. 807 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,720 Speaker 1: But I mean, I'm excited about this group. I'm excited 808 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 1: about Byron Jones being out there. He looks good, he 809 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: looks fit again. I said, the movement was fine. We'll 810 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: see how he practices next week and should good to go. 811 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: You got a chance to talk to Zach and Martin 812 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: as well. As Zach was you know, he said his 813 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: goal once again is to play sixteen games. Last year 814 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 1: he missed his first two of his career. He said, 815 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 1: you know, you don't want that happening again. The goal 816 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 1: all along was to get ready for this Giants game. 817 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: He says. He feels much better than he did in Oxnard, 818 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 1: so he'll be out there. He'll be ready to go. 819 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: But anytime you're dealing with these back injuries, I just 820 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,879 Speaker 1: hope that you know, it's it's a managing process. I'm 821 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: guessing by maybe they start the season like this, but 822 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,360 Speaker 1: I'm guessing by the time there at that midway stride, 823 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 1: he's probably gonna be having some vet days during the 824 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: practice week. He's not gonna be out there practice. There's 825 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,439 Speaker 1: gonna be some Wednsty practices where we're standing out there, 826 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 1: and there's gonna be several of those guys, you know, 827 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 1: like and Mary Cooper is probably gonna be involved with that. 828 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: Tyren Smith. Yeah, I was gonna say, what's what's the 829 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: latest one? Tyran's back is there? I think it's it's 830 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 1: one of those things. You guys are gonna be on 831 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 1: the road in week seven and you're gonna wake up 832 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: in a hotel and you're gonna go, oh, wait, what 833 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,839 Speaker 1: what what happened? You know? And you just never know 834 00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,839 Speaker 1: with him, you know, you never know he's gonna wake 835 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: up him one day and it's gonna bother him or 836 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,879 Speaker 1: he's gonna well, he just he looks so good. I mean, 837 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,800 Speaker 1: and I thought I thought, I thought, man him, Elite Collins, 838 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 1: those guys, and then all of a sudden it's oh 839 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: he had a backflare up. I'm like, Okay, just when 840 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 1: I think I don't want to live with this anymore, 841 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: I'm living with it again. Yeah, because he said in 842 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: the all season he felt better than he's than he's 843 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: ever felt. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He gets set 844 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 1: part up. That's a weird point about him. You know 845 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,359 Speaker 1: that you just don't know, Like say week seven, Week eight, 846 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 1: you wake up and you guys are somewhere on the 847 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 1: road and it's like he can't play because his back 848 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: locked up on him. You know, it just comes and 849 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: goes for him. That's the part about playing offensive line, 850 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: no matter if your back fills great or not at 851 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: some point, because back is not made to be torqud 852 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 1: by a three hundred pound man, right, and so part 853 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: of playing offensive line is that you're gonna get pushed back, 854 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: and you're gonna be contorted, and you're gonna all those 855 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: kinds of things, and eventually it's gonna if you already 856 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: have back issues, eventually it's probably gonna flare up when 857 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: you're football. The people, good, what did that happen? I 858 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: will say this for the offensive line if you want 859 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: to see some positive though, Uh, Travis Frederick is each practice, 860 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: Travis Frederick has gotten a little better. Each game, Travis 861 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 1: Frederick has gotten a little better. So I think that's 862 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 1: a good thing going forward into the season. I think 863 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 1: that helps Travis Frederick surely helps Connor Williams, you know, 864 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: and Sureley will help whoever ends up playing right guard. 865 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 1: Hopefully it's it's Zach Martin planning. He saw Travis Frederick 866 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 1: walking around in the locker room last year, you would 867 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,360 Speaker 1: have never thought he'd be playing football, There's no question. No. 868 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,320 Speaker 1: I mean, he's just no offense to him. But he 869 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,320 Speaker 1: was gone through that. But he looked like a seventy 870 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 1: five year old man walking around. You could tell his confidence. 871 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: He had no confidence, he just had he had a 872 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 1: limp to him and he was it was broken down. Yeah, 873 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,800 Speaker 1: it's very broken down. For him to come back physically 874 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 1: and mentally to get to this point, it's amazing. So 875 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: him starting yeah, I'm sorry, go ahead. What does that 876 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: do with Looney? Is he go to a backup in 877 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 1: three positions? Now, I think that's what you have to 878 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: when this cutdown and they had a setback on Connor 879 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,919 Speaker 1: McGovern yesterday by the way, So now I know we're 880 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,800 Speaker 1: putting out today our fifty three, which we oh we 881 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 1: shot yesterday, so you know we've got to kind of 882 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: have some things that was there. Yeah, McGovern was on, 883 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: so kind of don't freak out if he'd in fact, 884 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 1: because but you know they were the plan was to 885 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,279 Speaker 1: get him through everything looked like, but he had a 886 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 1: little bit of a setback, so we'll see. I did 887 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 1: think maybe they consider IR. Is that what you're That's 888 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: what I'm kind of considering. I'm hearing that. I'm hearing 889 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 1: on the other end of it, though, they've got a 890 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,799 Speaker 1: better report about Luke Gifford, which is another guy that 891 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: we talked about, Luke Gifford being on the advision. He 892 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 1: has to be on for one day, then they can 893 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: release him and then put him on IR. But it 894 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: sounds like that Luke Gifford, they might just go ahead 895 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 1: and carry Luke Gifford, just carry him, and then McGovern 896 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 1: now becomes the guy who goes on. You know, you 897 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 1: carry him and then on the one day and then 898 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,720 Speaker 1: have to put him on IR the next which means 899 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,799 Speaker 1: Adam Redman you think could be Adam Redmond, Yes, because 900 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: we had Sue Fielill making the team. Me personal, I 901 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 1: don't know how you guys feel. I know our show 902 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,279 Speaker 1: had this discussion yesterday about the offensive tackle situation. I 903 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: don't feel as good about this offensive tackle situations backups 904 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 1: as I do. Maybe the inside. Guys, So is that 905 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,799 Speaker 1: a position at fifty three? I mean, do you have 906 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,399 Speaker 1: assets you say, Okay, we could trade this guy. I'm 907 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 1: talking about trading good for good. I'm not talking about 908 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 1: trading trash for trash. I'm trying to get a young 909 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 1: and maybe people don't give up young tackles. Maybe they don't. 910 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 1: Maybe you have to find a guy that you have 911 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 1: to develop a little bit. But I trust Mark Colombo 912 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: to work with these guys. But I just wondered how 913 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,200 Speaker 1: you guys felt about the backup offensive tackle situation. Are 914 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,880 Speaker 1: you saying maybe because this is something I was thinking about, 915 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 1: Are you saying maybe you look at a guy like 916 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,720 Speaker 1: Xavier s Filo and say, hey, if we can trade 917 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 1: him for a pretty good tackle, that's where a trade. 918 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 1: Is that what you're getting at, Like, take some of 919 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 1: the depth that you have on in the interior and 920 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 1: releverage that into trade. Joe Thomas, No, not with Sean Lee. 921 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 1: Okay there because I don't I don't trust his linebacker. 922 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,080 Speaker 1: It's one of their deepest positions. Okay, would you trade? 923 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 1: Would you trade with those defensive ends? Do you have 924 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,839 Speaker 1: you have a defensive end that you maybe get good 925 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 1: for good. Yeah, I'm not. I mean maybe somebody. I 926 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 1: don't think anybody really likes Tacco, by the way, that's 927 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,399 Speaker 1: another one to keep an eye on. By the way, 928 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,720 Speaker 1: Taco and what's happening there, you know, with that situation 929 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,799 Speaker 1: when you get down to the cuts. I mean, there's 930 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,279 Speaker 1: gonna be a big discussion in that room about it. Mean, Mickey, 931 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,360 Speaker 1: And that's why I enjoyed Beyond the Show right now 932 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,880 Speaker 1: because Mickey won't yell at me. But you know, you know, 933 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,400 Speaker 1: Mickey will say, well, he's a guaranteed contract, you know, 934 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,439 Speaker 1: and no, but there's talk. There's talk there even after 935 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,960 Speaker 1: the last game, even after the last game. So if 936 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,840 Speaker 1: you trade Jordan Lewis there you go. Now now I wouldn't, 937 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,359 Speaker 1: but see, that's what I'm saying. But we've got to 938 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,920 Speaker 1: help ourselves in this tackle spot. We can't sit there 939 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,839 Speaker 1: and look at each other and think, oh, Jordan Lewis 940 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 1: is our fourth corner. That's great, you know, super, But 941 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 1: we're getting killed. We have we're having we're having a 942 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,880 Speaker 1: Chaz Green moment over here on the left side because 943 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,359 Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith can't dress. And oh, by the way, Lyle 944 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,359 Speaker 1: Collins gets nicked up now too. You know, I could 945 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,840 Speaker 1: see them moving now if they get beat up, if 946 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 1: they get beat at tackle, it's it's gonna be move 947 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,719 Speaker 1: Connor Williams outside, That's what it's going to be. I'll say, 948 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 1: Brian is so good at like we're talking about a 949 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 1: player without even mentioned his name. But obviously Cam Flemings, 950 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,759 Speaker 1: you're not having any Complimenceay cam' fleming. I don't know. 951 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: If I don't, I'm not. I'm not and I'm not 952 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,720 Speaker 1: trying to make I'm not trying to make Cam Fleming's 953 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,520 Speaker 1: mom and dad mad. I'm just saying though that if 954 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 1: you know. But we did, but we did. It's a 955 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,280 Speaker 1: different show. We did three minute for a minute conversation 956 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 1: about Tyron Smith and how we're kind of worried about 957 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,319 Speaker 1: Tyren Smith and what's going on there. I think if 958 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,000 Speaker 1: there if there's a position to go and look at 959 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,720 Speaker 1: maybe claim somebody. I think they're looking at offensive lineman, 960 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,799 Speaker 1: I really do, especially, but yeah, it's somebody gonna put 961 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,280 Speaker 1: somebody out there that because the young kids, they have 962 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 1: Campos and and Hyatt, those guys need to be on 963 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 1: the practice squad and let's worry about those guys. In 964 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Let's not worry about these guys right now. 965 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 1: And Brandon Knight is not a tackle now, he's tackle. 966 00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,359 Speaker 1: They playing him at cards. I don't think they keep 967 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,360 Speaker 1: Brandon Knight either. I don't. I think they've got veteran guys. 968 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,719 Speaker 1: Redman to me can play center and guard. The thing 969 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,919 Speaker 1: I was hoping with McGovern is because he can play 970 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,480 Speaker 1: center and guard two or also that maybe that he'd 971 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,400 Speaker 1: be okay. But it's just they've tried and it's probably 972 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,080 Speaker 1: not gonna work. Let me throw a crazy one at you, 973 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:16,839 Speaker 1: because you love this game, Brian. I love this when 974 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,080 Speaker 1: you were throwing names out barroom games. I get to 975 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 1: play it on. What did you trade this guy? He 976 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 1: maybe coming up for a deal next year, no telling 977 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,000 Speaker 1: how much he's gonna cost. You don't know if you 978 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,640 Speaker 1: can afford him or not. Probably one of the best 979 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,719 Speaker 1: cornerbacks in the league right now. But you've got a 980 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,520 Speaker 1: lot of depth a corner. You got a lot of 981 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 1: young corners that that that you could pay a lot 982 00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,080 Speaker 1: less money. Would you trade Byron Jones for a stud 983 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:42,719 Speaker 1: at any position? I mean, here's my thing, here's my thing. 984 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,240 Speaker 1: Shut it down quickly. Here's why. It's because of the position, 985 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,560 Speaker 1: Anthony Brown, you can never have enough many good cornerbacks 986 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 1: on a team. I've seen situations where you're going to 987 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,759 Speaker 1: seeing You're like, man, they got a lot of depth 988 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,440 Speaker 1: in corners. I agree, And all it takes is bam 989 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,040 Speaker 1: bam bam. But now you got are gonna be hired 990 00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 1: than I get all that, but I'll get I'll tell 991 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,200 Speaker 1: you this too. Whatever you're gonna get back, I don't 992 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:03,880 Speaker 1: think you're gonna get back the value of what you 993 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,319 Speaker 1: really are giving away. So you gave away a corner 994 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,520 Speaker 1: last year for a guard that didn't play a right, 995 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,319 Speaker 1: You're not gonna You're not gonna get a Pro Bowl 996 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 1: caliber tackle for Byron Jones right if you try to 997 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,680 Speaker 1: trade him right now. I don't think you're gonna get 998 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,080 Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl caliber tackle. He's a Pro Bowl caliber corner. 999 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,680 Speaker 1: You just think you would just sort of have the compick, 1000 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,239 Speaker 1: give me the compick after he leaves. But for this year, 1001 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,759 Speaker 1: I'm taking all these corners. And that's why, even with Jordan, 1002 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,920 Speaker 1: I don't think I would make that move right now. Okay, 1003 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,360 Speaker 1: I'm afraid I'm afraid of giving away any of my 1004 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,440 Speaker 1: good cornerbacks right now because I just know that's a 1005 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,879 Speaker 1: position you absolutely need, and you got some good ones. 1006 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,319 Speaker 1: And by the way, if they can be what they've 1007 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,520 Speaker 1: been so far during training camp, which is not just 1008 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,880 Speaker 1: guys that can knock down passes, but guys that actually 1009 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,680 Speaker 1: get turnovers. Now you're talking about a whole different level 1010 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,920 Speaker 1: of defense and what we've experienced with the Cowboys for 1011 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,080 Speaker 1: a long time. I'm trying to get good for good. 1012 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I'm with you on this the 1013 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,799 Speaker 1: whole thing, but I'm not I'm not gonna sit there 1014 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,719 Speaker 1: and say that, you know, if I if I give 1015 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 1: up somebody like Anthony Brown, sad just give it Anthony Brown. Yeah. 1016 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 1: I expect quality and return I do. I'm not gonna 1017 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,640 Speaker 1: sit heer and say if some guy tries to flip you, oh, 1018 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,600 Speaker 1: we'll give you. Jake Campos say a team deep, Jake Campos, 1019 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,160 Speaker 1: and I evaluate Jake Campos and I go, no, No, 1020 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,560 Speaker 1: I won't do that. I'm with you about this. I 1021 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,480 Speaker 1: think you have to be a little mindful that A 1022 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,040 Speaker 1: You're not gonna be able to pay all these guys. 1023 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,319 Speaker 1: But that was the point. You have some depth there. 1024 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,719 Speaker 1: You really do have some depth there. But I also 1025 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,319 Speaker 1: think you have but I also think you have debt 1026 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,719 Speaker 1: why would you do it? Which with Byrne Jones with 1027 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:37,200 Speaker 1: the right player gave me some money. But I do 1028 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,200 Speaker 1: think you always thinking like a GM. I do think though, 1029 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,040 Speaker 1: that there are parts of there are other parts of 1030 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:43,520 Speaker 1: this team to have depth that I'd be a little 1031 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,960 Speaker 1: more comfortable with. The interior offensive line is one of them. 1032 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,000 Speaker 1: I would be willing to look at a deal where 1033 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,280 Speaker 1: if I could get a pretty good tackle for Xaviers 1034 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,239 Speaker 1: to a Filo, I would make that deal because I 1035 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,239 Speaker 1: feel like I got more options in the interior part 1036 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,360 Speaker 1: of my offensive line. I feel great about Joe Looney 1037 00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,400 Speaker 1: having to step in any one of those three spots, right, 1038 00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 1: So I'm much more okay with that than I am 1039 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,440 Speaker 1: with getting rid of a cornerback. And I just I 1040 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,960 Speaker 1: just don't when you got a lot of good cornerbacks, 1041 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,200 Speaker 1: keep them because the likelhood is that you will need 1042 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,319 Speaker 1: all of them at some point the season. Hey, that's 1043 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,960 Speaker 1: a whole different show. That's a whole different show. We 1044 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,000 Speaker 1: can go there, but that's a whole let's move on. 1045 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,400 Speaker 1: That was a fun game. I never get to do 1046 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,480 Speaker 1: that on my show. You know, you get yelled at 1047 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,840 Speaker 1: for that you know what I want to bring you 1048 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,200 Speaker 1: on our show and just let's you bring games, okay, 1049 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,080 Speaker 1: the whole show we're gonna play. Actually, I missed that 1050 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,120 Speaker 1: about having Brian and our show. It made it easy. 1051 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:36,680 Speaker 1: Sometimes he'd be like, I got a game for you 1052 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,719 Speaker 1: to I'm like, great, I don't have to prepare a show. Yeah, 1053 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,960 Speaker 1: And he'll find a way to compare a linebacker and 1054 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,480 Speaker 1: a receiver and you're like, that's a good compare comparison. 1055 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,080 Speaker 1: People scope hate me right now because I want to 1056 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,160 Speaker 1: get rid of everybody. Okay, they're just totally hate And 1057 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:51,880 Speaker 1: if you're gonna get yelling at me, spelling him right, 1058 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,320 Speaker 1: will you getting rid of Cayden? Had one before we 1059 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 1: move on? Yeah, Crawford. Would you get rid of Crawford? 1060 00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,279 Speaker 1: Trade him? That's what I would consider. Yeah, I don't 1061 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,600 Speaker 1: think they will, but that was one of Africans contracts 1062 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,799 Speaker 1: a little bit more manageable to trade. Now, yeah you can, 1063 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,640 Speaker 1: you can do that. And Nick, you don't like that though, 1064 00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,200 Speaker 1: d Well, you know not really. I talked to him 1065 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,680 Speaker 1: some yesterday and so he he's just such a team leader, 1066 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,320 Speaker 1: like you just don't have to do that, you know. 1067 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,680 Speaker 1: He's a good quality guy. And Marinelli said it's like 1068 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,120 Speaker 1: he said, when you go into a game and you 1069 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,960 Speaker 1: have eight lineman dress, but Crawford is one of them, 1070 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,279 Speaker 1: it's like hay Ten. Yeah, because he can do so 1071 00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,279 Speaker 1: many different things. And he said the versatility of that 1072 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,360 Speaker 1: he goes. Not every guy's like that, but he's like that. 1073 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,600 Speaker 1: And you know, he said, he's gonna play all over 1074 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,480 Speaker 1: the place for us. So I don't know. I just 1075 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,239 Speaker 1: don't know if you're not saving that much money to 1076 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,719 Speaker 1: do it, So I would say no. All right, Moving 1077 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,000 Speaker 1: on Happy Hill Farm, Lunchens. Today it's to kick off 1078 00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,040 Speaker 1: Lunchens where everybody gets there off season awards that's going 1079 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,319 Speaker 1: on at the stadium. I'll probably be some stories coming 1080 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,279 Speaker 1: out of that games tomorrow. Is this team set or 1081 00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:01,480 Speaker 1: does this game matter at all? Are there any more practices? Not? 1082 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,040 Speaker 1: Before cutting right practice, guys are done. This is the 1083 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,840 Speaker 1: last chance I get a chance to impress. Can someone 1084 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,160 Speaker 1: make this roster on with this game? Yeah? And we've 1085 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,719 Speaker 1: seen a couple of years ago, I've seen a guy 1086 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,880 Speaker 1: get off the roster a cornerback round. How many spots 1087 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,960 Speaker 1: it up for grab? Realistically? How many people on? How 1088 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,440 Speaker 1: many players on this team? Are solidified. They are going 1089 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,440 Speaker 1: to be on this team right now. We did a 1090 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,680 Speaker 1: really good thing yesterday. I mean we we we we 1091 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,600 Speaker 1: got to forty three and then took it to fifty three. 1092 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,320 Speaker 1: So you think about ten guys are still kind of 1093 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,400 Speaker 1: a limbo, you know. And that was the kind of 1094 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,000 Speaker 1: the purposes of the of the video. I really think 1095 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,600 Speaker 1: if we had to, I think it. I think forty 1096 00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,560 Speaker 1: eight are done are on the team because we had 1097 00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,160 Speaker 1: five of those guys that I think feel like we did. 1098 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,080 Speaker 1: We feel good about Sue Philo and guys like that. 1099 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,120 Speaker 1: Where we had struggle was the last corner and the 1100 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,719 Speaker 1: last wide receiver. Yeah. Yeah, if Alumba goes out and struggles, 1101 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,719 Speaker 1: you know that if he gets a pick, he's right 1102 00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,800 Speaker 1: there on the verge Devin Smith and Cedric Wilson. It 1103 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,879 Speaker 1: would be either one. It could be both. How about 1104 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,680 Speaker 1: how about that safety? That's another spot. I mean we 1105 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,120 Speaker 1: all talk about what Wilson, but what about you know 1106 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,480 Speaker 1: how many they could maybe carry an extra guy there? 1107 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,080 Speaker 1: I got another one too. Remember a few years ago 1108 00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,319 Speaker 1: Stephen McGee, he played the last preseason game and played 1109 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:19,080 Speaker 1: really well. If Mike White goes out, I'm I just 1110 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,000 Speaker 1: don't see it happening. But if he goes out and 1111 00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,680 Speaker 1: if balls out, you're right. I just don't think they're gonna. 1112 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,640 Speaker 1: I think it will get enough to say, you know what, 1113 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,120 Speaker 1: let's don't put him out there. So I don't think 1114 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,120 Speaker 1: it'll happen because he's he's really kind of struggled, and 1115 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,040 Speaker 1: you know, but last game they kept it pretty sad 1116 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,759 Speaker 1: drive last last How about Jordan Chunn. Is he gonna play? Yeah? 1117 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,040 Speaker 1: I think he has taken play and run over people 1118 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,520 Speaker 1: and show and if he gets any plays on special 1119 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,319 Speaker 1: teams and makes a play, it's like, well this guy, 1120 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,320 Speaker 1: this should we remind people not to freak out this 1121 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,640 Speaker 1: weekend when they cut Alfred Morris and they're going short 1122 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,399 Speaker 1: at running back, should remind him of that short. Well, 1123 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,920 Speaker 1: I think they'll go short if if Zeke doesn't show up, 1124 00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,680 Speaker 1: he's going to remain on the did not report last 1125 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,120 Speaker 1: so they're gonna if they to carry an extra roster spot, 1126 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,759 Speaker 1: they might have to do what they did to Kellen 1127 00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,560 Speaker 1: Moore a couple of years ago. Knowing that Kellen Moore's 1128 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,640 Speaker 1: a vested veteran and he doesn't he's not subjected to 1129 00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,080 Speaker 1: waiver claims, so what you could do is you could 1130 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:12,440 Speaker 1: cut a guy like you could have a deal with 1131 00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,759 Speaker 1: Alfred Morris. You cut him and then bring him back. 1132 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,640 Speaker 1: But also you can think about bringing him back too 1133 00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,240 Speaker 1: for the week one stuff. You know, because of the contract, 1134 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,759 Speaker 1: the guaranteed contracts is signed him back. But who would 1135 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,440 Speaker 1: who would they sign? They would they would mean who 1136 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,360 Speaker 1: would they have on the fifty three? If that's what 1137 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:27,920 Speaker 1: I'm saying, it might that might be the way they 1138 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,160 Speaker 1: have to keep That's how they might have to keep 1139 00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,799 Speaker 1: John Griffin or somebody like that. No, they'll go short 1140 00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,520 Speaker 1: at running back. You will go short. What you're thinking, 1141 00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,239 Speaker 1: only have Pollard, but they bring him back Tuesday. I 1142 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:41,879 Speaker 1: see what you're saying. You get it. You get past 1143 00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,960 Speaker 1: those first couple of days, right, and then you bring him. 1144 00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,399 Speaker 1: But then you bring it back because he's a vested veteran. Yeah, 1145 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,279 Speaker 1: to save a roster spot, to save cutting a guy, 1146 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,960 Speaker 1: it could be a little complicated. But keep an eye 1147 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,000 Speaker 1: on what vested veterans they have and stuff like that, 1148 00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:55,959 Speaker 1: because they very well could do this with Alfred Morris. 1149 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,520 Speaker 1: That makes sense. Who's returning kicks and punts? Tavon is 1150 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,920 Speaker 1: doing this the punts and then the kicks, it might 1151 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,920 Speaker 1: be pol yeah, and then but they he wouldn't do 1152 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,719 Speaker 1: that until Zeke's back. But right, well yeah, yeah, and 1153 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,000 Speaker 1: I were starting running. You don't have so few kick returns, 1154 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,319 Speaker 1: and you know in the NFL now, I think Jordan 1155 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,520 Speaker 1: Lewis could be a guy that he's been he's done 1156 00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,799 Speaker 1: it before. I could see him back there. Um. They's 1157 00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,640 Speaker 1: also if Cedric Wilson makes his team too. I've seen 1158 00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,879 Speaker 1: thoughts about him doing it as well as Alfred done. 1159 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:28,560 Speaker 1: Its not really so your biggest spots that are up 1160 00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:33,919 Speaker 1: for grabs or what wide receiver, reaver, safety safety, about 1161 00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,920 Speaker 1: defensive end, we keep talking about Taco in that situation. 1162 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,480 Speaker 1: They got a lot of decisions to make on defensive Yeah, 1163 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it could come down to they 1164 00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,680 Speaker 1: might keep an next, they might keep a defensive tackle 1165 00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,279 Speaker 1: instead of Taco. You know one decision that that was. 1166 00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,239 Speaker 1: We talked about mc govern's injury, but Jalen Jelk also 1167 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,040 Speaker 1: has a footsprain. He's in a walking boat. He could 1168 00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,279 Speaker 1: be a guy that goes to r that's your guy, right, yeah, 1169 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,279 Speaker 1: you know he kind of he was on the Judge 1170 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,000 Speaker 1: Royce scream, you know at six flag who was up 1171 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,760 Speaker 1: the right hind and plummeted all the way. He actually 1172 00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,440 Speaker 1: he plays well. He hit a little bit of a 1173 00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,560 Speaker 1: rookie wall. I think that he's I practice squad or 1174 00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,359 Speaker 1: whatever would be great for him, you know, and see 1175 00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,600 Speaker 1: what he does after he has offseason and he reserves 1176 00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,560 Speaker 1: not a great spot because he don't practice. Yeah, it's 1177 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,320 Speaker 1: like Rico's first year he didn't practice. Yeah, you know 1178 00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,480 Speaker 1: he needed that. Right. Let's go around before we go. 1179 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,160 Speaker 1: One guy that you are rooting for to make this 1180 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,120 Speaker 1: team that's kind of on the bubble bus, Jordan Chun. Yeah, 1181 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:31,960 Speaker 1: why why do you want him make it? I think 1182 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:33,640 Speaker 1: he does a lot of things where he catches the 1183 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,160 Speaker 1: ball well, he's learning how to block, he plays special teams, 1184 00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,239 Speaker 1: he's a tough runner. I give me a guy that's 1185 00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,239 Speaker 1: a complete player, I'll take him. Eric Devin Smith. I 1186 00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,320 Speaker 1: think he has ability. I think the fact that he 1187 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,839 Speaker 1: was drafted where he was and signals out a lot 1188 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,000 Speaker 1: of people thought he had ability. And I think he's finally, 1189 00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,360 Speaker 1: at least what he showed in training camp in the preseason, 1190 00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,480 Speaker 1: he's finally starting to maybe get to that point where 1191 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,520 Speaker 1: he might be able to realize that and if he 1192 00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,080 Speaker 1: really is that guy. If he really is that good 1193 00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,640 Speaker 1: of a receiver, then that gives you some flexibility I 1194 00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,360 Speaker 1: think going into the future in what you do at 1195 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,840 Speaker 1: your receiver position next year, in the year after that, 1196 00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:07,480 Speaker 1: if you can keep him around. So I'd love to 1197 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,239 Speaker 1: see him make this team. You know, I would say 1198 00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,279 Speaker 1: those two guys right there, China and Devin Smith, But 1199 00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:18,279 Speaker 1: you know, I want a Lumba to make it. Yeah, 1200 00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,560 Speaker 1: there you go. But I just don't know if if 1201 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,000 Speaker 1: he can. I don't know if he but if he 1202 00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,919 Speaker 1: deserves it because he's done everything possible. I just don't 1203 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,040 Speaker 1: know if they if they feel like he's fast enough 1204 00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,320 Speaker 1: to play in the NFL. But he has done every 1205 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,200 Speaker 1: single thing they've asked him to do, and he's had 1206 00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,200 Speaker 1: a really good camp. I hope he plays well to 1207 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,120 Speaker 1: the point Thursday night that they have to keep him. 1208 00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:40,920 Speaker 1: That's what I hope. There you go. One guy that 1209 00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,239 Speaker 1: we haven't even mentioned on this show, and I'm kind 1210 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,480 Speaker 1: of curious. I'm thinking maybe practice squad if that Mike Weber, 1211 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,480 Speaker 1: any chance he makes his team. I don't think he 1212 00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,640 Speaker 1: makes his team. No, I don't think he does, but 1213 00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,520 Speaker 1: I mean practice squad stuff. Yeah, clearly. Yes, here's a 1214 00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,759 Speaker 1: chance for practice. Absolutely. Okay, well man, this was fun. 1215 00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:58,759 Speaker 1: We were only gonna do thirty minutes, but hell, we 1216 00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,799 Speaker 1: could probably do another hour, but we gotta go to Worth. Okay, 1217 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:06,520 Speaker 1: so I'm hot, so ye can't wait to get out 1218 00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,560 Speaker 1: of Jack Well. Nick, thanks thanks for joining us, Derek, 1219 00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,839 Speaker 1: thanks for letting me hosts. Thanks for bringing that big watch. Yeah, 1220 00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,960 Speaker 1: appreciate Kay, thanks thanks for pushing all the buttons. William, 1221 00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,960 Speaker 1: thanks for getting us on the air. Shows will be 1222 00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,759 Speaker 1: no shows tomorrow because we have a game Friday. We're 1223 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,239 Speaker 1: going at have it written down right here. Ten let's 1224 00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:31,040 Speaker 1: see ten o'clock, we'll be talking Cowboys, ten forty five, break, 1225 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,920 Speaker 1: ten thirty, hanging with the boys, and then next week 1226 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:39,040 Speaker 1: we will have a regular, regular, regular schedule that's to 1227 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,520 Speaker 1: be determined. We're waiting on PR to let us know 1228 00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,239 Speaker 1: when the locker rooms opening all that stuff, so we'll 1229 00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,000 Speaker 1: be back to normal next week. We just don't know 1230 00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:47,600 Speaker 1: the times. We will let you do as soon as 1231 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,759 Speaker 1: we can. Check out Deep Blue tomorrow and we'll see 1232 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,279 Speaker 1: you on Friday later. 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