WEBVTT - CLASSIC: Power, Water and Texas: What happened?

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<v Speaker 1>Fill a conspiracy realist. We're returning with a classic episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Cast your mind back to twenty twenty one, so long ago, now, right, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a yeah, it's a story that takes us to

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<v Speaker 1>an event that captured national attention. As winter storms swept

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<v Speaker 1>through Texas, the people of Texas very quickly found themselves

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<v Speaker 1>without electricity or clean water millions.

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<v Speaker 2>Wasn't this the one where Ted Cruz kind of effed

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<v Speaker 2>off to vacation town when all this was going on,

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<v Speaker 2>very same, I think.

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<v Speaker 3>So, oh, okay, and that's ringing bells.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, sorry, he was a senator at the time, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what's ringing a bell. He went to Cancun.

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<v Speaker 3>Dude, this was the whole Urkat thing, the Electric Reliability

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<v Speaker 3>Council of Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>And we are airing this because although it is a

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<v Speaker 1>discrete instance happened years ago. Now we know that winter

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<v Speaker 1>is coming, not to be all Game of Thrones about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and our question is will Texas be prepared for this winter?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, especially as those data centers start making their way

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<v Speaker 3>into the big state.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's jump right in.

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<v Speaker 4>From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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<v Speaker 4>riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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<v Speaker 3>my name is Noah.

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<v Speaker 2>They call me Ben.

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<v Speaker 1>We are joined as always with our super producer Paul.

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<v Speaker 1>Mission control decands. Most importantly, you are here and that

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<v Speaker 1>makes this stuff they don't want you to know. As always,

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<v Speaker 1>this these episodes are for all our fellow conspiracy realist

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<v Speaker 1>out there. Today's episode is especially for our friends and

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<v Speaker 1>family in Texas and for all your friends and family

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<v Speaker 1>in Texas as well. This is an ongoing situation. It's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of it's kind of wild, to say the least.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been on an infrastructure kick lately, ever since our

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<v Speaker 1>earlier strange news segment about that hacker in Oldsmar, Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the one who tried to poison the city

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<v Speaker 1>with lie.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe it was mm HM.

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<v Speaker 2>Which apparently is a thing that goes in water in

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<v Speaker 2>some small amount and he just upped the ante yup.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we talked about the brian that gets produced

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<v Speaker 3>that may be radioactive. No, it is radioactive in making

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<v Speaker 3>energy from fracking and other processes.

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<v Speaker 2>Who new infrastructure could be so terrifying and fascinating, so boring.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why it's a sleeping giant of conspiracy, corruption, and problems. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're reporting for a news site, you know that

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<v Speaker 1>a story about infrastructure probably won't get you a ton

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<v Speaker 1>of clicks or eyeballs. If you are running for office,

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<v Speaker 1>railing about the danger of failing infrastructure probably isn't going

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<v Speaker 1>to do much to help.

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<v Speaker 2>You get elected.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you do fix this stuff, people will usually

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<v Speaker 1>not bother to acknowledge or thank you for maintaining or

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<v Speaker 1>fixing it, not because they're being dicks, but because infrastructure,

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<v Speaker 1>when it works, becomes invisible.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's sort of like when you have to buy new

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<v Speaker 2>tires for your car, or like a new battery. That's

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<v Speaker 2>like the least sexy fun purchase ever. You just resent

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<v Speaker 2>it because it's just supposed to work, and when it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't it makes you angry, and then you resent having

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<v Speaker 2>to spend the money. But then you know it's nice

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<v Speaker 2>when it does work, but then you forget all about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, we only notice this stuff or care about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it breaks when the lights don't come on when

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<v Speaker 1>you flip the switch, when the water doesn't come out

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<v Speaker 1>of the faucet when you turn the knob, and then

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<v Speaker 1>immediately we scramble for someone to blame. It is boring

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<v Speaker 1>as hell to be prepared, but if you ask any

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<v Speaker 1>boy scout or any Texan nowadays, they'll tell you being

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<v Speaker 1>prepared can save lives. Our story today is about the

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<v Speaker 1>ongoing winter storm crisis in Texas. Here are the facts

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out what happened. You know, first, this storm

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<v Speaker 1>was not restricted to Texas. It hit parts of northern Mexico.

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<v Speaker 1>It hit huge swaths of the US and the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the North American continent. But Texas had a unique

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<v Speaker 1>situation due to their power grid. And there's an old

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<v Speaker 1>story behind this, right, a.

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<v Speaker 2>Story that begins in Texas in the dawn of the

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<v Speaker 2>previous century. In the years following the construction of the

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<v Speaker 2>first US power plant by Thomas Edison in Manhattan in

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen eighty two, small plants started popping up again. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>that's where plants came from, because they're like plants popping

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<v Speaker 2>up around different areas of the nation, including Texas. And

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<v Speaker 2>as time went on, these utilities began to become interconnected

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<v Speaker 2>to one another, and the phenomenon of this interconnectedness accelerated

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<v Speaker 2>during the First World War because it was.

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<v Speaker 3>Necessary absolutely, and expansion continued, more and more folks living

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<v Speaker 3>further and further away from city centers. And guess what

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<v Speaker 3>in World War Two? That expansion continued and the interconnectedness

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<v Speaker 3>grew more connected, solidified. I don't know what we want

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<v Speaker 3>to call it, more connecting, yes, yes, And something else

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<v Speaker 3>interesting happened during the World War two times here in

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<v Speaker 3>the US, specifically out Texas Way utilities there in Texas

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<v Speaker 3>began joining together too. Ben, you've written in the isline

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<v Speaker 3>here vultronning up. And I love that that concept of

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<v Speaker 3>all of the different plants and electrical minigrids, they're just

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<v Speaker 3>vultroning to become one giant. What's what's bigger than a

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<v Speaker 3>megawatt or ki gigawatts.

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<v Speaker 2>Or perhaps for our younger listeners, power rangering up, becoming

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<v Speaker 2>a megatron of.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorts, right, or they assembled the Avengers. Look, we spend

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time megazored. Yes, yeah, uh so they

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<v Speaker 1>formed something collectively known as the Texas Interconnected System. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>call it the TIS for the sake of brevity. This

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<v Speaker 1>had some tremendous advantages in the beginning, both for the

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<v Speaker 1>businesses and for the customers. First, it allowed these this

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<v Speaker 1>network really allowed for the transmission of extra electricity to

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<v Speaker 1>these factories that have massively ramped up production for the

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<v Speaker 1>war effort. They're working around the clock. You gotta feed

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<v Speaker 1>the machine. But second, in the longer term, it allowed

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<v Speaker 1>these utilities to link to ginormous dams along Texas rivers.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is where our first plot twist starts. So

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<v Speaker 1>for a very long time, this TIS was actually a

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<v Speaker 1>group name for two distinct entities, one in northern Texas,

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<v Speaker 1>one in southern Texas. They were different, but they worked

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<v Speaker 1>together because they were on the same page about pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much everything. They had one primary ulterior motive, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was not to provide the best service to customers what right.

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<v Speaker 1>Their ulterior motive was to stay independent from larger oversights,

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<v Speaker 1>avoid the constraints and big brotherhood and those silly regulations

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<v Speaker 1>that come in at the federal level.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is a thing kind of at the heart of

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<v Speaker 2>like Texas history, right, I mean that they've always kind

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<v Speaker 2>of threatened to secede from the Union or formed their

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<v Speaker 2>own you know, mega state or whatever it seems to be.

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<v Speaker 2>That that autonomy and that fear or resentment of big

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<v Speaker 2>government is very much ingrained into the history of the

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<v Speaker 2>state of Texas.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, well, and remember another thing. There's a reason

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<v Speaker 3>it's called Texas tea oil that is black goal.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a reason.

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<v Speaker 3>It's because that's a resource that is all over the

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<v Speaker 3>place in Texas and has been for a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>And that meant that being independent from the other larger

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<v Speaker 3>systems across North America was easier for Texas, right, because

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<v Speaker 3>they've got so much natural energy already existing there, not

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<v Speaker 3>just oil too. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, they don't want anyone coming in and drinking up their.

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<v Speaker 1>Milkshake, right, Yeah, they've got Texas is a resource rich

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<v Speaker 1>state in a resource rich country. They don't just have oil,

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<v Speaker 1>they have natural gas and coal, and natural gas plays

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<v Speaker 1>a big part in today's story. There was a really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting study I read a number of years ago about

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<v Speaker 1>which US states could function autonomously, like just in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of providing resources for the people who already lived there

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<v Speaker 1>other than geopolitical about it. And you know, California is

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<v Speaker 1>on that list, but Texas is on that list too.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a big, big place with a lot of stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>very climate. You know, a ton of agriculture as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So with all this, with all these resources already at

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<v Speaker 1>their fingertips, the powers that be in Texas were able

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<v Speaker 1>to fuel their power plants with in state resources. This

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<v Speaker 1>was very important because it meant that they had encapsulated

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<v Speaker 1>this industry all within the state lines.

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<v Speaker 2>On both ends.

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<v Speaker 1>They were kind of think of it as like growing

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<v Speaker 1>or harvesting their own power. And then they also only

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<v Speaker 1>sending it to places in Texas. That's the way they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted it because otherwise Uncle Sam gets involved and makes

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<v Speaker 1>you do silly things like be prepared. Back in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who's the president at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>signed something called the Federal Power Act into law. This

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<v Speaker 1>gave an outfit called the Federal Power Commission the ability

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<v Speaker 1>slash mandate to oversee all interstate electricity sales. The Federal

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<v Speaker 1>Energy Regulatory Commission replaced it, and they currently handle all

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff today. So what was Texas's solution to what

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<v Speaker 1>they saw as federal overreach? Just never cross the state line.

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<v Speaker 1>Just don't ever do it, and then we will be

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<v Speaker 1>fine here with our lone star approach to energy and

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of you, you other forty nine states. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there weren't fifty at that point. Can continue your own

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<v Speaker 1>song and dance, just leave us out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes me think of something Hank Hill I'd say,

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<v Speaker 2>is like, Wow, would I ever want to leave Texas? Exactly?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and also, good luck to you Hawaii and Alaska.

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<v Speaker 3>Good look getting power lines out to where you are.

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<v Speaker 1>Hah right, The caption says laughs in Texan. Yes, So,

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<v Speaker 1>Texas flirted with the idea of regulation at various points,

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<v Speaker 1>and until the nineteen seventies they have virtually no regulation.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventy, something probably heard a lot of in

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<v Speaker 1>the news recently was formed. It's the Energy Reliability Council

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<v Speaker 1>of Texas or Urkott. Not to be confused as we

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<v Speaker 1>discussed earlier with Ergot poisoning or EPCOT at Disney. Urkott

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<v Speaker 1>is not as bad as Ergot poisoning, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>probably not as fun to visit there as it is

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<v Speaker 1>to visit Epcott. So I feel like that's a very

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<v Speaker 1>fair way, a fair spectrum. You put Urkott off.

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<v Speaker 3>For sure, Well, you definitely can't get a Belgian beer

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<v Speaker 3>while walking around parts of Urkot. I don't think it

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<v Speaker 3>works that way.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, that's true. You also probably won't get spasms, diarrhea, mania, psychosis, headaches, nausea, vomiting.

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<v Speaker 2>Desquamation not EPCOT.

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<v Speaker 5>That's not epcot.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not epcot.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not that's not what I got's about, man.

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<v Speaker 1>Desquamation is a grizzly word of the day. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>its street name is skin peeling. Anyway, anyway, before I

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<v Speaker 1>take us two far down the wrong rabbit hole. Urkott

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<v Speaker 1>was formed largely in reaction to a massive blackout in

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<v Speaker 1>November of nineteen sixty five, which some of our listeners

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<v Speaker 1>may may remember. When Texas went back to deregulation in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen nineties, this agency, this institution, Urkott, assumed additional responsibilities,

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<v Speaker 1>and the entire time they kept that old, that old goal.

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<v Speaker 1>They stayed beyond the reach of the FEDS. There were

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<v Speaker 1>complications because the thing about these sorts of grand, multi

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<v Speaker 1>generational schemes with many moving parts is they never work

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<v Speaker 1>out one hundred percent. I wish people would just say

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<v Speaker 1>that at the top of this kind of stuff. They

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<v Speaker 1>never work out one hundred percent. There are always exceptions,

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<v Speaker 1>there are always missteps, there are always plot twists, and

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<v Speaker 1>over the years, Texas itself has breached its energy independence

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of times out of necessity, I would say, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Once it happened during World War Two, when special provisions

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<v Speaker 2>were made to link Texas to other grids and time

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<v Speaker 2>of crisis obviously makes sense. Glad they went along with it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I guess they could probably have had their arms

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<v Speaker 2>twisted as well. Then there's nineteen seventy six, during an

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<v Speaker 2>event known as a very sexy event name the Midnight Connection.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also our that's the inspiration for our stuff. They'll

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<v Speaker 1>want you to know R and B band.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, And that was when a Texas utility on

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<v Speaker 2>purpose flipped a switch and sent power to Oklahoma, just

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<v Speaker 2>for a few hours. And this was what the Feds

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<v Speaker 2>were hoping for, and it set off a massive legal

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<v Speaker 2>battle that could have brought Texas to their knees in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of, you know, power autonomy under federal regulators. Ultimately,

0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:21.320
<v Speaker 2>Texas did win the day and ended up staying off

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<v Speaker 2>those larger grids.

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<v Speaker 3>And this wasn't the only event. That's one of the

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<v Speaker 3>big ones, right, there's several others, and Texas ended up

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<v Speaker 3>in a bit of a have your cake and eat

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<v Speaker 3>it too situation. I love the concept there. In twenty eleven,

0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:40.800
<v Speaker 3>the state started getting some power from Mexico during another

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<v Speaker 3>set of issues where they were rolling blackouts where they

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<v Speaker 3>kind of had to force some people to go without

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<v Speaker 3>power in order to get power to the places that

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<v Speaker 3>it needed to be.

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<v Speaker 2>The expression and have your cake and eat it too

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<v Speaker 2>is always really fascinating me.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes me think of Schrodinger's cat. We call it

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<v Speaker 2>like it's there and not there at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>which is to referra to that as Shirtinger's cake.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that, and we we say it this way,

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<v Speaker 3>having your cake and eating it too. Because this connection

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<v Speaker 3>to Mexico a couple this one connection that we just

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<v Speaker 3>mentioned earlier. It means that Texas right now does have

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<v Speaker 3>several power connections to Mexico as well as to the

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<v Speaker 3>larger energy grid in the United States. But it doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>mean that they're being regulated by the FEDS. They've they've

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<v Speaker 3>they've still got some regulation when it comes to RKAT,

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<v Speaker 3>that Energy and Reliability Group that we're talking about here,

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<v Speaker 3>they are kind of looked over in a way. It's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of strange when you read some of the some

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<v Speaker 3>of the ways it works online, but they're they're kind

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<v Speaker 3>of overseen by the Public Utility Commission of Texas. And

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<v Speaker 3>I only say kind of because it feels a little

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<v Speaker 3>strange sometimes at least from an outside perspective about who

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<v Speaker 3>is actually in charge in many situations.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, because we talked a little bit about the

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<v Speaker 1>territoriality of different stakeholders in the energy industry. The Public

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<v Speaker 1>Utilities Commission has been accused of being toothless in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's why you see Urkott getting a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the a lot of the spotlight of infamy and controversy

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Urkott does have They have three ties to Mexico,

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<v Speaker 1>two ties to the larger Eastern Grid. The US think

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<v Speaker 1>of it in terms of three big grids for the country.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not very creative with the names. One is the

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<v Speaker 1>Western Interconnection, one is the Eastern Interconnection, and the other

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<v Speaker 1>one is Texas. Ninety percent of Texas falls under the

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<v Speaker 1>purview of Urkot, and well, as I think we mentioned earlier,

0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:57.800
<v Speaker 1>the parts of Texas that were in that ten percent,

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<v Speaker 1>or we're in areas that ha and full deregulated. Whethered

0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:07.600
<v Speaker 1>the literal storm better than their neighbors. So all five

0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.600
<v Speaker 1>of those links to these other grids can be used

0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:12.920
<v Speaker 1>to move commercial power, and they can also be used

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<v Speaker 1>in emergencies. But to your point, Matt, they do not

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<v Speaker 1>They do not trigger federal oversight, which is what these

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<v Speaker 1>organizations want. Everything was going fine now under a deregulated market. Yes,

0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:34.160
<v Speaker 1>many people in Texas were paying more for power than

0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:37.320
<v Speaker 1>they would have in a more regulated market, but that

0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:41.679
<v Speaker 1>wasn't necessarily the priority of these companies. Things start to

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<v Speaker 1>go wrong earlier this month, in early February, the s

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<v Speaker 1>hit the fan. And by s we mean massive winter storms.

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<v Speaker 3>I really thought you're going to say massive winter.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we'll keep this part in.

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<v Speaker 5>They just or we could just bleep the storms.

0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:05.600
<v Speaker 2>Remember that line from that robot voice track on Okay Computer.

0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:08.280
<v Speaker 2>He literally says froze and winters.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, okay, So let's keep this whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So there was this, because we'll need the levity in

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<v Speaker 1>a second, there was an unprecedented Matt. You've heard there

0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:23.159
<v Speaker 1>was a massive storm. There were actually two. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a pair of winter storms that caused record low temperatures

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<v Speaker 1>across the state. First one hits February tenth through February eleventh,

0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:36.600
<v Speaker 1>and then another one February thirteenth to February seventeenth. Just

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<v Speaker 1>for a snap shot, temperatures in Dallas Fort Worth plummeted

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<v Speaker 1>to negative two degrees fahrenheit minus nineteen degrees celsius.

0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:51.080
<v Speaker 2>And it is clearly like unprecedented, to be fair, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>is the right word. This is something that's never really

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<v Speaker 2>happened there before, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, this was a record that hadn't been broken

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<v Speaker 1>in for seventy two years, at the very least in Dallas.

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<v Speaker 1>But your absolutely rights, unprecedented for all two hundred and

0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:11.240
<v Speaker 1>fifty four or so counties in Texas to have winter

0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:16.840
<v Speaker 1>storm warnings. And then things get even worse. Just imagine it.

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<v Speaker 1>Demand for power skyrocketed as people were trying not to

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<v Speaker 1>freeze to death. Supply plummeted because you see, the power

0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:29.280
<v Speaker 1>plants were also affected by the storm, and one by

0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:33.880
<v Speaker 1>one they started going dark when the people needed them

0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:36.800
<v Speaker 1>the most. As a result of this, more than four

0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:41.919
<v Speaker 1>point three million homes and businesses in Texas alone lost

0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:43.760
<v Speaker 1>power for some amount of time.

0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:48.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and forty seven that we know of people lost

0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:53.840
<v Speaker 2>their lives as a direct result of this absolute catastrophe.

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<v Speaker 3>And the causes of death here range from the actual

0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:02.520
<v Speaker 3>cold itself leading to someone death, to carbon monoxide poisoning

0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:06.240
<v Speaker 3>from people attempting to find creative ways to find heat

0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:08.600
<v Speaker 3>to get heat to their bodies and into the house,

0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:14.199
<v Speaker 3>to drownings to house fires to hypothermia. There were automobile

0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:18.760
<v Speaker 3>accidents related with this whole thing. It's just it's been tough,

0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:21.520
<v Speaker 3>and I think the way you put it as a

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<v Speaker 3>catastrophe is it's almost a too light of a word,

0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:29.280
<v Speaker 3>but it's a terrible thing that has gone on.

0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:32.000
<v Speaker 2>It's certainly a step up from a disaster because it's

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<v Speaker 2>like literally a perfect storm where so many things went

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<v Speaker 2>wrong at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly well put. And this leads us to our question

0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:47.320
<v Speaker 1>what happens when things go wrong? How did we get here,

0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:52.120
<v Speaker 1>and perhaps most importantly, what happens next. We'll dive into

0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:53.920
<v Speaker 1>this after a word from our sponsor.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's where it gets.

0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:09.760
<v Speaker 1>Crazy, corruption conspiracy. Since Texas did not have federal oversight,

0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:13.800
<v Speaker 1>the various people that would be described as stakeholders in

0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:17.680
<v Speaker 1>this energy game were not mandated to do things that

0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:22.040
<v Speaker 1>other organizations and other states do have to do. They

0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:27.840
<v Speaker 1>didn't institute certain safety measures like winterizing equipment and facilities.

0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:31.080
<v Speaker 1>Winterrizing is being thrown around like a buzzword, but it

0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:33.560
<v Speaker 1>just means weather proofing, you know what I mean, Like,

0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:38.640
<v Speaker 1>it just means let's get maybe insulator material around various

0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:41.280
<v Speaker 1>equipment and components and structures.

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<v Speaker 2>On a smaller scale, it reminds me a lot of

0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:46.159
<v Speaker 2>what happened here in Atlanta several years ago with the

0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:48.760
<v Speaker 2>snow Pockellipse. On a much smaller scale, this was more

0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:54.080
<v Speaker 2>a situation of massive inconvenience. I believe a few people

0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:58.320
<v Speaker 2>maybe died in traffic situations like cars sliding off the

0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:00.520
<v Speaker 2>roads and all that, but it was just they just

0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:04.840
<v Speaker 2>weren't prepared, you know, for that level of icing of roads.

0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:09.680
<v Speaker 2>And this is that but on a completely fundamental level

0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:13.760
<v Speaker 2>that affects so many things. Because again that word interconnectedness,

0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:14.240
<v Speaker 2>and we're.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to get to a lot of that. But one

0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:18.840
<v Speaker 3>of the reasons that it is not quite the same,

0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:22.200
<v Speaker 3>but it is applicable here. The situation in Atlanta during

0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:25.680
<v Speaker 3>snow apocalypse is that Atlanta as a city learned from

0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:28.320
<v Speaker 3>what occurred. And I don't know if you guys remember,

0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:31.720
<v Speaker 3>but we've had some pretty intense snow since that time,

0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:35.320
<v Speaker 3>and there is now an infrastructure built up around it,

0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:38.119
<v Speaker 3>and the infrastructure has been improved to the extent where

0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:40.639
<v Speaker 3>the highways at least are not going to be a

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<v Speaker 3>place where a ton of motorists get caught up for

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of days.

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<v Speaker 2>I have anything. They overprep now or they like overreact,

0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:49.200
<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'll I'll know if that will last, because we

0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:55.680
<v Speaker 1>have to we have to be very conscious folks, and

0:22:56.480 --> 0:22:58.320
<v Speaker 1>it's our city, so I think it's fine for us

0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:02.280
<v Speaker 1>to dunk on it. We live in a where part

0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:05.919
<v Speaker 1>of the interstate will just sort of drop out of

0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:09.760
<v Speaker 1>the sky. Like remember one time a bridge on eighty

0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:12.600
<v Speaker 1>five just like part of it just wasn't there, and

0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:16.199
<v Speaker 1>we got a really sketchy story about people starting a

0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:20.280
<v Speaker 1>fire a bridge, which is like an episode of Always Sunny.

0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:23.480
<v Speaker 2>They also blamed it on like the homeless population, smoking

0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:27.439
<v Speaker 2>math or something that ended up being a complete fabrication

0:23:27.600 --> 0:23:29.399
<v Speaker 2>or at the very least a real reach.

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<v Speaker 3>I am not I'm not speaking to this nonsense of

0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:34.280
<v Speaker 3>which you are speaking. This is nonsense, and I agree

0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:38.000
<v Speaker 3>all that stuff ridiculous. Watch my video on YouTube, which

0:23:38.000 --> 0:23:39.879
<v Speaker 3>you can still find, I think on our YouTube channel

0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:43.480
<v Speaker 3>of the of the burning of a highway in Atlanta.

0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:49.120
<v Speaker 3>But what I mean is a very specific thing occurred

0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:52.640
<v Speaker 3>that was a major problem. And let's be honest here

0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:57.399
<v Speaker 3>a pr issue for sure for the city, and steps

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<v Speaker 3>were taken.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, yeah, but then we also have to consider again

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the argument I set up at the very

0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:10.359
<v Speaker 1>very top. People, there's a great quote in literature. Maybe

0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:12.520
<v Speaker 1>it was Chekhov, soone check me on this, check me

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<v Speaker 1>on my checkof I can't remember which authors said it,

0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:18.119
<v Speaker 1>but they said, like the mark of a good story

0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:20.920
<v Speaker 1>and a good writer is when the author becomes invisible.

0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:24.560
<v Speaker 1>That's the mark of good infrastructure as well. I know

0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:28.680
<v Speaker 1>this might be maybe unpopular, something people don't want to

0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:31.160
<v Speaker 1>hear right now, But if we look at this situation

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<v Speaker 1>from the perspective of the companies, the various people at

0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:39.520
<v Speaker 1>every point in the energy flow of Texas in that business,

0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:43.520
<v Speaker 1>we can understand their logic. They're in a tremendously competitive,

0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:48.480
<v Speaker 1>even cutthroat market, so why bother preparing for blizzards when

0:24:48.560 --> 0:24:53.320
<v Speaker 1>subfreezing temperatures are so infrequent? Like from their perspective, Just

0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:57.800
<v Speaker 1>for comparison, imagine you live in Miami, why would you

0:24:57.880 --> 0:24:59.960
<v Speaker 1>invest in a pair why would you invest in this

0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:02.320
<v Speaker 1>set of tire chains. They're probably never going to leave

0:25:02.320 --> 0:25:06.040
<v Speaker 1>your garage because you'll probably never need to drive in

0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:09.320
<v Speaker 1>the snow. And that's of course the same logic with Atlanta,

0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:13.040
<v Speaker 1>and it's three snowplows. And there were even people, you know.

0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:13.640
<v Speaker 3>Real.

0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Thrift talks, very fiscally conservative people who are saying, why

0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:21.160
<v Speaker 1>are we even wasting money on this? This is these

0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:24.520
<v Speaker 1>snowplows are unnecessary. It's wasteful government spending. And then it

0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:28.920
<v Speaker 1>turned out that even that spending wasn't enough. But we'll

0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:31.360
<v Speaker 1>see how these words taste if we have to eat

0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:36.919
<v Speaker 1>them in another snow apocalypse in Atlanta. But as Michael

0:25:36.920 --> 0:25:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Weber pointed out, he is an energy resource as professor

0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:44.200
<v Speaker 1>at the University of Texas at Austin, their plans were

0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:48.679
<v Speaker 1>flawed because their plans were based on precedent. As we

0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:54.200
<v Speaker 1>said earlier, the storm is unprecedented. They were using outdated

0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:58.639
<v Speaker 1>weather patterns. And if you use those outdated weather patterns,

0:25:58.720 --> 0:26:00.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying there was something that are available to

0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:04.520
<v Speaker 1>them at the time. Maybe future modeling, which is predictive

0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:07.359
<v Speaker 1>but can have a wild margin error if you're using

0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:10.800
<v Speaker 1>that outdated weather as as your roadmap. Then of course

0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:13.840
<v Speaker 1>you're going to say things don't freeze, you know it

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<v Speaker 1>just it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they also didn't learn from past occurrences where this

0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:23.560
<v Speaker 3>very thing has happened in the not like not that

0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:26.679
<v Speaker 3>long ago, right, would that we mentioned in our our

0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:30.439
<v Speaker 3>episode that we already that we've like mentioned this in before.

0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:32.359
<v Speaker 3>We talked about how it's happened several times in the

0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:34.000
<v Speaker 3>past where this very thing occurred.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're absolutely right, and this it's important to understand

0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 1>that perspective because also picture yourself like you're the you're

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<v Speaker 1>the movement shaker, the CEO of some company in the

0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:52.440
<v Speaker 1>energy industry in Texas, and your business starts failing because

0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:57.480
<v Speaker 1>you invested so much in winterrization, and people are coming

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<v Speaker 1>to you and saying, why did we waste a million

0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:02.920
<v Speaker 1>and millions of dollars on this? We have to spend

0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:06.680
<v Speaker 1>that money fighting for our lives as a business, because

0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:08.800
<v Speaker 1>there are other hungry people out there. They want to

0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 1>eat our electric lunch.

0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Is this a byproduct of the complete isolation of their

0:27:16.359 --> 0:27:21.760
<v Speaker 2>power system, having no subsidization or no assistance from Uncle Samuel?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is this is something that comes out of

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:30.199
<v Speaker 1>the deregulation for sure. And at this point I suggest

0:27:30.320 --> 0:27:33.320
<v Speaker 1>that we we pause for a moment, not for a

0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:37.680
<v Speaker 1>word from our sponsors, but for a word from some

0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:40.439
<v Speaker 1>of our fellow listeners who are in Texas and who

0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:44.400
<v Speaker 1>have written to us, and some of our own personal experience,

0:27:44.440 --> 0:27:48.080
<v Speaker 1>which we don't always do, but we, like millions and

0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:53.639
<v Speaker 1>millions of other people, do, have friends and family in Texas. Matt,

0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 1>you just spoke with your uncle not too long ago, correct,

0:27:57.080 --> 0:27:57.680
<v Speaker 1>How's he doing?

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<v Speaker 3>I guess it was a little while ago. It was

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<v Speaker 3>least third day as we're recording this, when when they

0:28:02.080 --> 0:28:04.800
<v Speaker 3>were still very much in the middle of a power outage.

0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:10.359
<v Speaker 3>He lives in Houston, in a suburb just to I

0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:15.320
<v Speaker 3>want to say, the southwest of Houston, and he said

0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:17.760
<v Speaker 3>the power at that time had been out for two days.

0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:20.440
<v Speaker 3>Then it came on for about five hours, then it

0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:25.360
<v Speaker 3>went out again. Thankfully, he and then the family were

0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:28.000
<v Speaker 3>able to store some food outside because it was cold

0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:30.520
<v Speaker 3>enough to preserve food for an elongated amount of time

0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:34.199
<v Speaker 3>at that time. And another great thing, and this is

0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:38.719
<v Speaker 3>a reason to have a fully gas stove setup. He

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:41.120
<v Speaker 3>didn't need power in order to start that gas stove.

0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:43.000
<v Speaker 3>You just turn the knob and then get a source

0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:45.680
<v Speaker 3>of fire like a lighter or anything else or a match,

0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 3>put it over there, and you can cook anything you

0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:51.680
<v Speaker 3>need to. So that was very very good. The big problem,

0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:55.200
<v Speaker 3>he said, was the water and gaining access to water

0:28:55.440 --> 0:28:56.360
<v Speaker 3>during all of this.

0:28:57.760 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 2>Stuff, because if bust burst bypes are just frozen.

0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 1>They're a couple factors. Partially burst pipes because of the freeze, right,

0:29:06.640 --> 0:29:10.240
<v Speaker 1>and water expands when it freezes, and then partially because

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:15.240
<v Speaker 1>the water treatment plants also had gone offline and that

0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 1>can lower That can result in lower water pressure those

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:23.600
<v Speaker 1>two factors, and at a certain threshold of water pressure,

0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:26.920
<v Speaker 1>when it goes below a certain threshold, people will be

0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:30.560
<v Speaker 1>advised to boil water. But then how do you boil water?

0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:34.640
<v Speaker 1>If you don't have electricity, right, You're gonna have to

0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:36.640
<v Speaker 1>build a fire. You're gonna have to be like Matt's

0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:39.120
<v Speaker 1>uncle and have a gas stove or something like that.

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:43.320
<v Speaker 3>Well, and also remember if you don't have a way

0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 3>to heat the water, then imagine what it's like to

0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 3>try attempt to bathe or attempt to do anything that

0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:53.800
<v Speaker 3>would require warmer water that is not you know, you're

0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:55.400
<v Speaker 3>not going to boil then I guess, mix with some

0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:57.960
<v Speaker 3>cold water and pour on yourself. It becomes a big issue.

0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:00.560
<v Speaker 3>Just dealt with this when our water went out.

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:04.120
<v Speaker 2>Speaking of burst pipes and just first hand accounts, John

0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:06.520
<v Speaker 2>Oliver did a really great segment on this and then

0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:11.640
<v Speaker 2>showed some really shocking images of this stuff, these scenes

0:30:11.680 --> 0:30:14.760
<v Speaker 2>in people's homes and businesses, and one of them was

0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:18.600
<v Speaker 2>a ceiling fan literally dripping with these like stalag what

0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:20.920
<v Speaker 2>is it, stalag tights that go down these you know,

0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:24.640
<v Speaker 2>ice crystals coming down off of the ceiling fan blades,

0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:26.960
<v Speaker 2>which could only have been because of burst pipes and

0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:29.920
<v Speaker 2>water leaking through the ceiling, right, Yeah. And then another

0:30:29.960 --> 0:30:33.280
<v Speaker 2>one of a car wash where like the you know,

0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:36.640
<v Speaker 2>the cool foamy stuff that's colorful when you go through

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:38.880
<v Speaker 2>and everyone makes the Instagram videos of it going down

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:41.280
<v Speaker 2>their windshield. Well, one of those tanks, I guess burst

0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:44.400
<v Speaker 2>and that stuff exploded out and it's frozen and it

0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:48.920
<v Speaker 2>looks like literally like some kind of magical cave you know,

0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:53.320
<v Speaker 2>in fairy land or something, but way more terrifying and

0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:54.760
<v Speaker 2>the sinister.

0:30:55.080 --> 0:30:59.360
<v Speaker 1>And then you know, you kind of also see heartbreaking

0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:04.640
<v Speaker 1>accounts of people burning whatever was flammable in their house,

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:08.120
<v Speaker 1>like furniture and so on, to keep their kids warm,

0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:13.240
<v Speaker 1>people sleeping in cars or charging their phones off their

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:16.800
<v Speaker 1>car battery, trying to find where water is in any

0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:22.080
<v Speaker 1>emergency situation. By the way, once you have found some

0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 1>modicum of physical safety, your very next thing, no matter what,

0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 1>your very next thing, is to figure out where you

0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:37.240
<v Speaker 1>are going to find potable water. You would be surprised

0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:40.520
<v Speaker 1>how long people can survive without eating and without having

0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:44.720
<v Speaker 1>permanent damage to their system from doing so. But dehydration

0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 1>will rock your shit and you can die within four days,

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:53.479
<v Speaker 1>you know, And this your mileage may vary. There are people,

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:57.200
<v Speaker 1>of course, we've all seen survival stories of people who

0:31:57.280 --> 0:32:01.840
<v Speaker 1>managed to stay alive, but they didn't thrive past that point.

0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:06.240
<v Speaker 1>And you are very much on a ticking clock. The

0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:09.720
<v Speaker 1>moment you realize you can't find water, please take it seriously,

0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 1>even if you think you know, even if you think

0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm just camping somewhere and there's a clearly marked trail

0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:18.800
<v Speaker 1>and I can walk half a mile to the parking lot,

0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Just take some water with you, you know what I mean.

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:24.160
<v Speaker 3>And one last thing to add here. My uncle lives

0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:27.800
<v Speaker 3>in a very nice area. And on our previous episode

0:32:27.800 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 3>where we were talking about this situation, it was mentioned

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:35.080
<v Speaker 3>at least rumors that power was being sent to very

0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:37.920
<v Speaker 3>wealthy communities before it was going to be sent to

0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:41.360
<v Speaker 3>anywhere else, or like diverted well where there was an

0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:46.040
<v Speaker 3>inequality in power distribution depending on essentially a zip code

0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:48.720
<v Speaker 3>or a neighborhood or something like that. I can't speak

0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 3>to all of those, but I can tell you I've

0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:52.200
<v Speaker 3>been to my family's house.

0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:53.240
<v Speaker 5>It is lovely.

0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 3>It's in a ridiculously nice area, and they still lost

0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:59.560
<v Speaker 3>power just as frequently as everybody else.

0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Sure, I don't know exactly where Senator Ted Cruz lives,

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:06.480
<v Speaker 2>but his house apparently got cold enough that they decided

0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:10.120
<v Speaker 2>to piss off to what is it Ken Kuhn.

0:33:10.440 --> 0:33:13.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we'll look into that a little bit later

0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:17.200
<v Speaker 1>in the episode two. Before we move on, I want

0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 1>to thank Miles B.

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Nathan G.

0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:25.280
<v Speaker 1>Jacob D and a number of other people who reached

0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:29.040
<v Speaker 1>out to us to give us their experience during this

0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 1>massive catastrophe. Jacob especially noted something that one of my

0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:41.080
<v Speaker 1>relatives in Austin noted, which is that people's odds of

0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:44.560
<v Speaker 1>having power did seem to be better if they were

0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:50.080
<v Speaker 1>if they were around something like emergency responder building or

0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:55.240
<v Speaker 1>a hospital something like that. Jacob You also noted that

0:33:55.880 --> 0:34:00.240
<v Speaker 1>the story from Urkat kept changing as far as as

0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:03.920
<v Speaker 1>when power would be restored, how rolling blackouts would work,

0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:04.960
<v Speaker 1>et cetera.

0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:09.280
<v Speaker 3>And also said Encore was giving updates like, oh, power

0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:11.040
<v Speaker 3>is going to be on in fifteen minutes, Oh, your

0:34:11.080 --> 0:34:11.600
<v Speaker 3>power's on.

0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:13.239
<v Speaker 5>Not power was not on.

0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Right, right, And there's kind of a fog of war

0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 1>with this too. You know, there are so many moving parts.

0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:25.720
<v Speaker 1>But here's what happened when the power outages began. Natural

0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:30.720
<v Speaker 1>gas plants, utility scale wind turbines, coal and nuclear plants,

0:34:30.760 --> 0:34:34.080
<v Speaker 1>all of those started to trip, meaning, you know, they

0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:38.319
<v Speaker 1>fell off the grid because they didn't have the investments

0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:42.480
<v Speaker 1>necessary to keep them online during sustained low temperatures. They

0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:45.640
<v Speaker 1>just couldn't function this way. Even if there wasn't a

0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:49.400
<v Speaker 1>surge in demand for power like that. That's an important note.

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Even if it had just been the storm and there

0:34:53.040 --> 0:34:56.200
<v Speaker 1>had not been an increase in demand for energy, a

0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:59.279
<v Speaker 1>lot of these facilities still would have failed just because

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:02.920
<v Speaker 1>they could handle. That's why URKOT but that's their logic

0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:08.960
<v Speaker 1>for ordering utilities to institute rolling blackouts, which are probably

0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:12.120
<v Speaker 1>familiar to in Ron fans in California, if there are

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:16.000
<v Speaker 1>any in Ron fans left after their massive debacle.

0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:18.279
<v Speaker 3>And this is a big note that Ben mentioned here.

0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:19.759
<v Speaker 3>I just want to make sure we're not going to

0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:22.719
<v Speaker 3>go over it too quickly. These were all sorts of

0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:27.319
<v Speaker 3>different types of energy generating plants. No matter what you're

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:31.000
<v Speaker 3>reading online or what anybody is saying, this is affecting

0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:33.680
<v Speaker 3>all parts of It's not just the green sector. It's

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:36.680
<v Speaker 3>not just coal or you know, natural.

0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:37.080
<v Speaker 5>Gas or whatever.

0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:40.760
<v Speaker 3>It's everything across the board was being affected.

0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:46.200
<v Speaker 1>So the logic here is theoretically sound. Urkott says, Look,

0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:49.520
<v Speaker 1>we have to we have to kind of cut off

0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:52.919
<v Speaker 1>an arm to save the body temporarily, right, We're going

0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:58.680
<v Speaker 1>to strategically reduce temporary demand through a somewhat arcane process

0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:02.640
<v Speaker 1>that is very vulnerable to corruption or maybe some phone

0:36:02.680 --> 0:36:06.799
<v Speaker 1>calls from powerful people asking for little favors. Anyway, they

0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:10.280
<v Speaker 1>said by reducing demand at certain times in certain areas,

0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:13.879
<v Speaker 1>they would be able to prevent the entire circus tent

0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:17.320
<v Speaker 1>of Texas electricity from collapsing. And that's a rock and

0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:21.320
<v Speaker 1>a hard place. Honestly, if the entire grid failed, then

0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Texans would have been out without power for weeks, even months,

0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:29.880
<v Speaker 1>and it could have affected all the other pieces of

0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:32.200
<v Speaker 1>infrastructure right including water treatment.

0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:33.960
<v Speaker 4>But that's a.

0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:37.200
<v Speaker 1>Hard thing to square when you are in the midst

0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:40.200
<v Speaker 1>of a rolling outage that was supposed to last for

0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:43.120
<v Speaker 1>like a couple of hours, and it lasted days at

0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:47.479
<v Speaker 1>a time, and that happened to millions of people. We're

0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:50.759
<v Speaker 1>going to pause for a word from our sponsor, and

0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:55.239
<v Speaker 1>then we're going to dive into the unpleasant story of

0:36:55.560 --> 0:37:00.279
<v Speaker 1>people who did keep their power for at least part

0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:09.840
<v Speaker 1>of the time. Doesn't in the way you suspect. We're back, Okay,

0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:16.160
<v Speaker 1>So imagine you are one of the lucky few, through accident, fate,

0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:19.880
<v Speaker 1>or design, managed to keep your power for some or

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:24.160
<v Speaker 1>all of the winter outages. You're not in a super

0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:27.279
<v Speaker 1>great place because the people who did have power found

0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:31.720
<v Speaker 1>that their bills skyrocketed. Skyrocketed is not the right word.

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:35.880
<v Speaker 1>Your bills launched into orbit. They space rocketed.

0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:40.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know it follows the concept of supply

0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:43.640
<v Speaker 2>and demand, but you don't typically think of that in

0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:47.359
<v Speaker 2>terms of like things that people need to survive, as

0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:48.600
<v Speaker 2>that being a calculus.

0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:52.000
<v Speaker 1>And yet here we are there's a little bit inside

0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:52.640
<v Speaker 1>baseball here.

0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:54.480
<v Speaker 2>But here's what happened.

0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 1>One megawatt of what's called wholesale power went from fifty

0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:05.560
<v Speaker 1>bucks to nine thousand dollars. A wholesale power is something

0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:08.080
<v Speaker 1>that a business will buy and then they will sell

0:38:08.120 --> 0:38:11.200
<v Speaker 1>it or provide it to consumers. So this wouldn't affect you.

0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:13.960
<v Speaker 1>If you add what's called a fixed rate plan, that's

0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:17.200
<v Speaker 1>a very common thing here in the US, you're basically,

0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:22.080
<v Speaker 1>as a customer, forced to gamble with a power company,

0:38:22.239 --> 0:38:25.400
<v Speaker 1>and you can make one of a couple of You

0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:27.680
<v Speaker 1>can make a couple of types of bets. One of

0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:30.919
<v Speaker 1>the bets is saying, hey, I will pay this much

0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:34.000
<v Speaker 1>per unit of power all the time, and I'll do

0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:36.720
<v Speaker 1>that for twelve months. So if there's a surgeon price

0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:39.239
<v Speaker 1>or demand, I won't have to pay more than my

0:38:39.480 --> 0:38:42.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, thirty cents or buck thirty five or whatever.

0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:46.240
<v Speaker 1>But if the price goes lower than that dollar thirty five,

0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:48.960
<v Speaker 1>I still have to pay the dollar thirty five. So

0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:51.560
<v Speaker 1>you're kind of in a casino with a power company.

0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 2>I always wondered, I mean, I guess it really is

0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:57.480
<v Speaker 2>up to the individual, But do you see a bet? Obviously,

0:38:57.480 --> 0:39:02.359
<v Speaker 2>the benefit here was alarming apparent, But in general, what

0:39:02.400 --> 0:39:04.080
<v Speaker 2>would you recommend, Ben.

0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:04.759
<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you.

0:39:05.000 --> 0:39:06.320
<v Speaker 5>Look, I'll give you my opinion.

0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:10.200
<v Speaker 3>I've been I've been officially paying for power now since

0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:14.040
<v Speaker 3>two thousand and four, so I've been paying a separate

0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:17.279
<v Speaker 3>power bill since two thousand and four. I have attempted

0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:21.239
<v Speaker 3>a variable style once, and it's the only time I

0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:25.480
<v Speaker 3>had to pay ridiculous amounts of money for power, and

0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:28.840
<v Speaker 3>did the same thing with heating bills only once you

0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:31.000
<v Speaker 3>got me once, never will do it again.

0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:34.120
<v Speaker 2>I've always felt that fixed rate seemed like the safest bet,

0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:35.800
<v Speaker 2>and I'm a fixed rate man myself.

0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, agreed. Again, these are our personal experiences. Your mileage

0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:45.240
<v Speaker 1>may vary. But there are power monopolies here in Georgia,

0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:49.000
<v Speaker 1>so you have so you are forced to deal with them,

0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:53.120
<v Speaker 1>and they want you to gamble. And I personally am

0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:55.279
<v Speaker 1>not a big fan of gambling, and I do think

0:39:56.000 --> 0:39:59.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, you could say I'd be hyperbolic or whatever

0:39:59.440 --> 0:40:01.759
<v Speaker 1>by discription vibing it is this, but it is. It

0:40:01.840 --> 0:40:05.120
<v Speaker 1>is gambling, and I had an experience like you met.

0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:11.560
<v Speaker 1>Variable can work if you like astute lee time it

0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:15.960
<v Speaker 1>and you pay attention, pay close attention. Fixed rate it's

0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:18.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of like you're just paying more for the certitude

0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:22.480
<v Speaker 1>and the predictability. So fixed rate is pretty good. And

0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:24.279
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of people in Texas were on

0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:27.319
<v Speaker 1>fixed rate too, So let's talk about the people who

0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:31.239
<v Speaker 1>were with a variable rate. I don't know what the

0:40:31.280 --> 0:40:36.000
<v Speaker 1>smallest place all of us listening today have ever lived

0:40:36.000 --> 0:40:39.600
<v Speaker 1>in is, But there was one woman in Texas who

0:40:39.680 --> 0:40:43.440
<v Speaker 1>had a seven hundred square foot apartment, pretty small. She

0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:47.920
<v Speaker 1>was keeping it at sixty degrees. She didn't lose power

0:40:48.440 --> 0:40:50.799
<v Speaker 1>for very long. When she got her power bill, it

0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:53.200
<v Speaker 1>was one thousand dollars.

0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, is this like by design? Are they really thinking

0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:02.520
<v Speaker 2>people are went to pay this? Are they really gonna

0:41:02.560 --> 0:41:05.080
<v Speaker 2>hold people to these absurd bills?

0:41:05.920 --> 0:41:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Is it supply and demand or is it price gouging?

0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:10.800
<v Speaker 2>It's or is it an accident?

0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:12.200
<v Speaker 4>Think?

0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:13.279
<v Speaker 5>I just I don't know.

0:41:13.400 --> 0:41:15.879
<v Speaker 3>Well, the bill is not an accident. That's how much

0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:18.839
<v Speaker 3>the energy cost when they were attempting when they're going

0:41:18.840 --> 0:41:21.640
<v Speaker 3>through this crisis. If energy was being supplied to your home,

0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:26.879
<v Speaker 3>the supply and demand, baby, it's messed up. It's really

0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:30.239
<v Speaker 3>messed up. We can get into that a little more

0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:32.160
<v Speaker 3>as we get to the conclusion here, but yeah, the

0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:34.879
<v Speaker 3>big thing is that a lot of people dealt with

0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:39.680
<v Speaker 3>something like that huge in the thousands bills that were coming.

0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Due, and ultimately, as we'll see, this will have to

0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:47.319
<v Speaker 1>be decided in the courts. I think one guy was

0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:50.040
<v Speaker 1>talking to NBC News and he said, I have a

0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:53.279
<v Speaker 1>two bedroom home. My power bill is usually one hundred

0:41:53.320 --> 0:41:55.719
<v Speaker 1>and twenty five to one hundred and fifty bucks, but

0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:59.479
<v Speaker 1>this month it's more than three thousand dollars, which caught

0:41:59.480 --> 0:42:04.280
<v Speaker 1>me by I am editorialized in a little Another family,

0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:08.120
<v Speaker 1>one really extreme example. Another family told the same team

0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:11.480
<v Speaker 1>at NBC that they were able to keep the power

0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:15.200
<v Speaker 1>in their home, which had three bedrooms, and then they

0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:20.680
<v Speaker 1>found their bill ended up being ten thousand dollars and

0:42:20.760 --> 0:42:23.359
<v Speaker 1>the price gougeon didn't stop there, didn't stop with power

0:42:23.400 --> 0:42:25.000
<v Speaker 1>bills because remember, this is a crisis.

0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:27.920
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, and I get that, and I understand that

0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:31.000
<v Speaker 2>this is a crisis for the energy end of it too,

0:42:31.040 --> 0:42:34.400
<v Speaker 2>the provider, but again it's kind of their fault, so

0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:37.160
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't seem fair that they would pass this on

0:42:37.239 --> 0:42:39.759
<v Speaker 2>to the consumer, but I guess that's what utilities do.

0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:43.319
<v Speaker 2>But would they have been notified, would they have just

0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:46.080
<v Speaker 2>known this was happening from maybe the news, Like I

0:42:46.160 --> 0:42:47.480
<v Speaker 2>just I just feel it would have been in the

0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:50.040
<v Speaker 2>responsibility of the energy coming to say, hey, head's up,

0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:52.920
<v Speaker 2>this is about to get real expensive.

0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:56.440
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, it's tough. And also we have to remember

0:42:56.560 --> 0:42:58.799
<v Speaker 1>it was happening so quickly, you know what I mean,

0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:02.920
<v Speaker 1>peopoz zero PREPTI. But as we record today, Texas officials

0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:06.160
<v Speaker 1>are cracking down on businesses that have been accused of

0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:09.960
<v Speaker 1>hiking the prices of food and water and hotel rooms,

0:43:10.080 --> 0:43:14.239
<v Speaker 1>especially while the state is still battling through the shortages

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:17.160
<v Speaker 1>that were caused by these storms.

0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:18.520
<v Speaker 2>Like people were going.

0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:22.000
<v Speaker 1>To hotels, not even nice hotels, they were finding that

0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:24.080
<v Speaker 1>the price had been hiked up to nine hundred bucks

0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:27.759
<v Speaker 1>because folks would pay it. There was something I found

0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:32.720
<v Speaker 1>especially wholesome in a very dystopian way. There was a store,

0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:36.000
<v Speaker 1>like a you know, like a little grocery store that

0:43:36.200 --> 0:43:39.440
<v Speaker 1>or a gas station that had closed down because of

0:43:39.440 --> 0:43:43.759
<v Speaker 1>the storm and because they didn't have power, and some

0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:49.160
<v Speaker 1>locals have been like breaking into this place to get water.

0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:53.239
<v Speaker 1>But then they started paying on an honor system. And

0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:55.720
<v Speaker 1>so there's like this pile of cash on the floor

0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:59.120
<v Speaker 1>and a nice little like a nice note, which I

0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:00.919
<v Speaker 1>thought was a really I thought that was a really

0:44:01.000 --> 0:44:04.680
<v Speaker 1>human thing, which I mean is a compliment. But back

0:44:04.719 --> 0:44:08.440
<v Speaker 1>to the water, more than twelve million people found their

0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:13.279
<v Speaker 1>water service disrupted. More than two hundred thousand people in

0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:18.680
<v Speaker 1>Texas live in areas where water systems were completely non operational.

0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:21.120
<v Speaker 1>We've got, especially in rural Texas, we've got a lot

0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:25.359
<v Speaker 1>of people who have wells, and generally I think that

0:44:25.560 --> 0:44:29.040
<v Speaker 1>is an awesome idea. But we had some folks contact

0:44:29.160 --> 0:44:31.720
<v Speaker 1>us and say, you know, we thought we'd be okay,

0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:35.400
<v Speaker 1>but our wells, our wells were frozen, you know what

0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:36.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean. And we're not on the grid.

0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:38.359
<v Speaker 4>So what can we do?

0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:40.759
<v Speaker 2>Can't access that water if it's all locked up in

0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:41.279
<v Speaker 2>ice well.

0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:45.080
<v Speaker 3>There's an additional thing there with like depending on where

0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:47.719
<v Speaker 3>that water is coming from in that well, where it's

0:44:47.960 --> 0:44:50.719
<v Speaker 3>you know, where it's dug into. Just imagine all the

0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:53.640
<v Speaker 3>chemicals and stuff that are going into land across parts

0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:59.080
<v Speaker 3>of Texas. Yikes, because of what fracking mostly.

0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:02.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's right, that's a good point that because the

0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:04.880
<v Speaker 1>fracking is still in the chat very much.

0:45:06.040 --> 0:45:07.719
<v Speaker 2>Fract chat, the fract chat.

0:45:07.800 --> 0:45:10.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, hold on what and this is where we get

0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:13.000
<v Speaker 1>to some much needed levity.

0:45:13.040 --> 0:45:13.279
<v Speaker 5>Here.

0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:18.919
<v Speaker 1>Something happened in the ensuing information war or narrative war

0:45:19.800 --> 0:45:24.279
<v Speaker 1>that would be hilarious if it was not so so

0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:29.840
<v Speaker 1>very dumb. While people were dying, several pundits and politicians

0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:32.920
<v Speaker 1>in the beginning of this crisis tried to blame the

0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:38.839
<v Speaker 1>power failures on renewable energy, specifically windmills. That's right, they

0:45:38.880 --> 0:45:42.880
<v Speaker 1>are the villain of this story, big wind, which sounds like,

0:45:43.160 --> 0:45:45.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, a street name for someone who.

0:45:45.480 --> 0:45:46.120
<v Speaker 2>Is flatgel it.

0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:49.319
<v Speaker 1>But this, this is really easy to disprove. I know,

0:45:49.360 --> 0:45:52.120
<v Speaker 1>we all saw the clips, but honestly, folks, maybe twenty

0:45:52.200 --> 0:45:56.600
<v Speaker 1>three percent of Texas's energy comes from renewable sources, like

0:45:56.640 --> 0:45:57.440
<v Speaker 1>all of them together.

0:45:57.560 --> 0:45:59.800
<v Speaker 2>It sounds a whole lot like a pay no attention

0:45:59.880 --> 0:46:02.160
<v Speaker 2>to the man behind the curtain scenario, you know what

0:46:02.200 --> 0:46:05.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like look over here, misdirection. And also it's

0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:08.560
<v Speaker 2>obviously an agenda as well, because as we discussed, I mean,

0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:13.240
<v Speaker 2>Texas as a history of fossil fuels and fossil fuel extraction,

0:46:13.480 --> 0:46:16.040
<v Speaker 2>so they're best in it and they don't want to

0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:18.600
<v Speaker 2>be told what to do by big government, you know,

0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:21.480
<v Speaker 2>and something like this, this creepy green new Deal.

0:46:21.400 --> 0:46:26.440
<v Speaker 1>Right, exactly exactly. And you know, natural gas powers most

0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:29.719
<v Speaker 1>of that grid if you looked at the statistical breakdown.

0:46:29.800 --> 0:46:32.680
<v Speaker 1>So really, natural gas is the first thing you should

0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:37.400
<v Speaker 1>be looking at in these power related emergencies. And production

0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:42.120
<v Speaker 1>of natural gas had plummeted due to the freezing conditions, right,

0:46:42.640 --> 0:46:45.520
<v Speaker 1>which made it difficult for power plants to get the

0:46:45.520 --> 0:46:49.400
<v Speaker 1>fuel necessary to generate electricity. So you can have a

0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:52.600
<v Speaker 1>working car, but if you don't have the gas, you're

0:46:52.600 --> 0:46:55.400
<v Speaker 1>not going anywhere. That's what happened to a lot of

0:46:55.440 --> 0:46:59.800
<v Speaker 1>these plants. They don't store a bunch of fuel on site,

0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:03.800
<v Speaker 1>has to be brought to them continually. But that being said,

0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:09.600
<v Speaker 1>here is a let me know if we should keep

0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:14.080
<v Speaker 1>this in guys. Here here is a hot take from

0:47:14.239 --> 0:47:21.359
<v Speaker 1>Texas Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller, who is known for his

0:47:24.280 --> 0:47:28.399
<v Speaker 1>somewhat opinionated Facebook post trying very hard to be fair here.

0:47:28.560 --> 0:47:33.560
<v Speaker 2>Yep, that's right. Miller said, we should never build another

0:47:33.640 --> 0:47:35.160
<v Speaker 2>wind turbine in Texas.

0:47:35.400 --> 0:47:38.640
<v Speaker 3>We should never build another wind turbine at Texas.

0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:42.240
<v Speaker 2>Full stop, full stop. I mean, maybe he's just a

0:47:42.280 --> 0:47:46.279
<v Speaker 2>big fan of birds and he's just triggered by wind turbines,

0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:47.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, because of whatever.

0:47:48.440 --> 0:47:49.799
<v Speaker 1>Maybe just scare the windmills.

0:47:49.840 --> 0:47:52.440
<v Speaker 2>Maybe he scare of windmills. Maybe he's a don Quixote

0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:53.000
<v Speaker 2>type figure.

0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:57.680
<v Speaker 1>And then he had another Facebook post where he said

0:47:58.040 --> 0:48:02.359
<v Speaker 1>insult added to injury. Those ugly wind turbines out there

0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:06.879
<v Speaker 1>are among the main reasons we are experiencing electricity blackouts.

0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Isn't that ironic?

0:48:09.239 --> 0:48:11.680
<v Speaker 2>Don't you think that's an a worse set reference.

0:48:11.760 --> 0:48:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, anyway, he continues, he goes so much for the

0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:20.080
<v Speaker 1>unsightly and unproductive energy robbing Obama monuments. At least they

0:48:20.120 --> 0:48:21.640
<v Speaker 1>show us where idiots live.

0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:24.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh, min you know who he sounds like? I can

0:48:24.360 --> 0:48:25.880
<v Speaker 2>you think? I think you know who he sounds like?

0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:29.839
<v Speaker 2>Just Trump. Yeah, it's a familiar tone that we haven't

0:48:29.880 --> 0:48:32.680
<v Speaker 2>been hearing as much of lately. Uh, just in terms

0:48:32.760 --> 0:48:35.280
<v Speaker 2>of that just out and out you know, name calling

0:48:35.360 --> 0:48:40.520
<v Speaker 2>and hyperbole. Uh yeah, Obama monuments. He should just call

0:48:40.520 --> 0:48:43.080
<v Speaker 2>it gone the next extra mount and call them obamuments.

0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:44.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, I do like that.

0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:48.919
<v Speaker 1>I gotta say, I objectively like the cadence. Uh there's

0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:51.959
<v Speaker 1>something about those three m's, how they kind of ride

0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:55.160
<v Speaker 1>the beat in that in that phrase monument. You're right,

0:48:55.200 --> 0:48:58.920
<v Speaker 1>you're right, But I agree with you that as a portmanteau.

0:48:59.719 --> 0:49:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh what wassents, Yeah, there is uh, there's there's something

0:49:06.640 --> 0:49:10.640
<v Speaker 1>else here. We received some correspondents from a lot of

0:49:10.680 --> 0:49:15.600
<v Speaker 1>our fellow listeners, including our main man, James, who was

0:49:15.840 --> 0:49:20.680
<v Speaker 1>who told us that there appears to be some corruption

0:49:21.000 --> 0:49:25.120
<v Speaker 1>regarding who was able to keep power. It appears that

0:49:25.840 --> 0:49:29.480
<v Speaker 1>some wealthy residents or people residing in wealthy zip codes

0:49:29.640 --> 0:49:33.440
<v Speaker 1>got preferential treatment. We do know that Urkat and the

0:49:33.520 --> 0:49:37.920
<v Speaker 1>utilities were able to direct these blackouts right to a

0:49:38.000 --> 0:49:42.360
<v Speaker 1>degree because they prioritize things like keeping the power on

0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:44.719
<v Speaker 1>at the fire station, or the power on at the

0:49:44.719 --> 0:49:47.400
<v Speaker 1>hospital or the precinct, you know what I mean. And

0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:50.480
<v Speaker 1>those are normal things to do during a disaster. The

0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:56.520
<v Speaker 1>question is, did, for instance, someone who like, let's say

0:49:56.560 --> 0:50:03.359
<v Speaker 1>you're a high up person in like industry or local politics,

0:50:03.520 --> 0:50:08.120
<v Speaker 1>are you able to then call the person running things

0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:11.319
<v Speaker 1>at your local utility and say, hey, the power and

0:50:11.680 --> 0:50:14.280
<v Speaker 1>my zip code stays on and they're like, you gotta

0:50:14.480 --> 0:50:19.080
<v Speaker 1>just remember me at the next I don't know, Illuminati.

0:50:18.440 --> 0:50:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Cookout, Illumnati cookout, Illuminati.

0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Cookout, and for the next the next Bohemian propane grove.

0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:31.040
<v Speaker 1>I love it okay, So so that now we're looking

0:50:31.040 --> 0:50:33.759
<v Speaker 1>at the aftermath and this is still happening. By the way,

0:50:33.800 --> 0:50:36.239
<v Speaker 1>where this is this should just be considered a kind

0:50:36.280 --> 0:50:39.680
<v Speaker 1>of one oh one explainer of the opportunities for corruption

0:50:39.719 --> 0:50:44.000
<v Speaker 1>and conspiracy. The situation and the weather are improving, but

0:50:44.239 --> 0:50:47.719
<v Speaker 1>still tons and tons of people don't have power and

0:50:47.800 --> 0:50:49.160
<v Speaker 1>don't have clean water.

0:50:49.600 --> 0:50:53.040
<v Speaker 3>No. By the way, I just got my friend Vanessa,

0:50:53.080 --> 0:50:56.400
<v Speaker 3>who lives out I think near in the Fort Worth area,

0:50:56.600 --> 0:50:58.640
<v Speaker 3>just called me back and left a voicemail. But I

0:50:58.680 --> 0:51:02.440
<v Speaker 3>don't have access to that. I may get a text

0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:04.880
<v Speaker 3>in a moment, just to give an update on the ground.

0:51:05.080 --> 0:51:08.239
<v Speaker 3>So we'll do that before this episode ends, if we can.

0:51:08.600 --> 0:51:11.240
<v Speaker 1>And there is hope on the horizon, folks, we didn't

0:51:11.239 --> 0:51:14.120
<v Speaker 1>want this to end with a total gloom and doom.

0:51:15.200 --> 0:51:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Senator Ted Cruz, who was witnessed abandoning his state during

0:51:20.719 --> 0:51:25.160
<v Speaker 1>the ongoing disaster for an aboardive trip to Cancum, officially

0:51:25.200 --> 0:51:27.960
<v Speaker 1>returned when the press caught the story.

0:51:28.080 --> 0:51:30.600
<v Speaker 2>Nah, he was always coming back. He was always coming

0:51:30.680 --> 0:51:32.800
<v Speaker 2>right back. He just had to go to be a

0:51:32.920 --> 0:51:35.680
<v Speaker 2>dad for a day, to make sure you get the

0:51:35.760 --> 0:51:39.240
<v Speaker 2>kids all settled in to the was it the four seasons,

0:51:39.239 --> 0:51:41.239
<v Speaker 2>I believe, and then he was always going to come

0:51:41.280 --> 0:51:44.480
<v Speaker 2>right back, you know, with a giant rolling suitcase. I'm sorry,

0:51:44.520 --> 0:51:48.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm being snarky. I just say, yeah, people only do

0:51:48.239 --> 0:51:50.360
<v Speaker 2>stuff they're supposed to do when they get caught. And

0:51:50.400 --> 0:51:51.919
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how he thought he would get away

0:51:51.960 --> 0:51:53.680
<v Speaker 2>with this money.

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:56.920
<v Speaker 3>Money, As we've said numerous times and Ben, this is

0:51:56.960 --> 0:51:58.840
<v Speaker 3>a mantra that we have on this show. Money is

0:51:58.880 --> 0:52:01.000
<v Speaker 3>a superpower. It's the close thing you're gonna get to

0:52:01.040 --> 0:52:04.200
<v Speaker 3>it Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz has some money. He was like,

0:52:04.640 --> 0:52:05.319
<v Speaker 3>uh what is this?

0:52:05.760 --> 0:52:05.960
<v Speaker 5>What?

0:52:06.200 --> 0:52:06.560
<v Speaker 2>Uh?

0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:07.600
<v Speaker 5>Nah?

0:52:07.640 --> 0:52:09.239
<v Speaker 3>And he got out of there. Look, I know it's

0:52:09.280 --> 0:52:11.560
<v Speaker 3>not a good political look and I know it's.

0:52:11.520 --> 0:52:14.200
<v Speaker 5>Terrible and loud. People are very very mad.

0:52:14.040 --> 0:52:17.920
<v Speaker 3>At him, but like, can you really blame him? He

0:52:18.040 --> 0:52:20.319
<v Speaker 3>has the superpower to be able to go to can

0:52:20.400 --> 0:52:22.440
<v Speaker 3>Kun when stuff goes bad.

0:52:23.200 --> 0:52:27.359
<v Speaker 1>So this is the thing, regardless value feel about the guy.

0:52:27.440 --> 0:52:30.239
<v Speaker 1>He caught a lot of bad press, and rightly so,

0:52:30.520 --> 0:52:34.520
<v Speaker 1>because he kept changing his explanation for the trip. He

0:52:34.640 --> 0:52:36.560
<v Speaker 1>kept changing his description of the trip.

0:52:36.680 --> 0:52:38.680
<v Speaker 2>And he's really bad at it too. He's really bad

0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:40.040
<v Speaker 2>at like lying in this way.

0:52:40.719 --> 0:52:44.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm not saying I think he's a great guy

0:52:45.000 --> 0:52:48.760
<v Speaker 3>walking back a little bit. But it's like the you guys,

0:52:48.800 --> 0:52:51.000
<v Speaker 3>if you guys don't listen, if any of you out

0:52:51.000 --> 0:52:54.200
<v Speaker 3>there doesn't does not listen to the show, this is

0:52:54.239 --> 0:52:55.800
<v Speaker 3>important on iHeartRadio.

0:52:55.960 --> 0:52:56.400
<v Speaker 5>You should.

0:52:56.520 --> 0:52:59.120
<v Speaker 3>They've got a segment with take what is it? Takebacks

0:52:59.400 --> 0:53:02.080
<v Speaker 3>apology things like that, this is my take back.

0:53:02.520 --> 0:53:02.880
<v Speaker 5>Sorry.

0:53:03.719 --> 0:53:06.799
<v Speaker 3>What I would say is watch SNL that just came

0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:09.239
<v Speaker 3>out this past week. There's a great cold open that

0:53:10.239 --> 0:53:12.000
<v Speaker 3>is describing what you guys are saying.

0:53:11.800 --> 0:53:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Here right with the corn Rose Yeah, and this so

0:53:17.360 --> 0:53:22.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, the cavalry returns. He got dunked on in

0:53:23.360 --> 0:53:26.239
<v Speaker 1>the media because he was changing the explanation description of

0:53:26.280 --> 0:53:29.160
<v Speaker 1>the story. Other facts came out. There were some leaked

0:53:29.239 --> 0:53:34.600
<v Speaker 1>text messages. People who loved dogs were mad that they

0:53:34.680 --> 0:53:38.839
<v Speaker 1>left their dog for what was sometimes described as a

0:53:38.880 --> 0:53:41.800
<v Speaker 1>forward ay trip or like the length of time kept varying,

0:53:42.280 --> 0:53:45.680
<v Speaker 1>but don't worry. After he changed his explanation several times,

0:53:46.000 --> 0:53:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Senator Cruz is now currently on the ground and he's

0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:55.200
<v Speaker 1>made sure to be photographed handed out water bottles. So truly,

0:53:55.760 --> 0:53:59.160
<v Speaker 1>it is the trying times that bring out the hero

0:53:59.280 --> 0:53:59.759
<v Speaker 1>and all of us.

0:54:00.040 --> 0:54:01.920
<v Speaker 2>I basically think the man's a saint at this point.

0:54:02.360 --> 0:54:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean that's the thing though, by location

0:54:06.160 --> 0:54:09.200
<v Speaker 1>is a saint superpower, right, it's one of the miracles.

0:54:09.960 --> 0:54:11.200
<v Speaker 1>So he may still be in.

0:54:11.200 --> 0:54:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Cancun, wouldn't that be cool? Or maybe he has a clone. Anyway,

0:54:16.960 --> 0:54:19.960
<v Speaker 2>he could have handled the pr you know, fall out

0:54:20.000 --> 0:54:21.719
<v Speaker 2>a little better if he did have a clone or

0:54:21.760 --> 0:54:24.120
<v Speaker 2>a better disguise or something. You know, even with the

0:54:24.200 --> 0:54:26.840
<v Speaker 2>mask he stuck out like a sore thumb in the airport.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, get a get a even a really lazy idea

0:54:30.200 --> 0:54:34.560
<v Speaker 1>like travel is said truths or something like that. But

0:54:34.560 --> 0:54:38.160
<v Speaker 1>but now I mean that that aside. We know there

0:54:38.160 --> 0:54:41.239
<v Speaker 1>are ramifications brewing for everybody here. For the businesses like

0:54:41.520 --> 0:54:45.560
<v Speaker 1>Ted Cruz was getting tried in the court of public opinion,

0:54:46.040 --> 0:54:48.880
<v Speaker 1>but some of these energy providers are going to you know,

0:54:49.200 --> 0:54:49.919
<v Speaker 1>actual court.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's like we said at the beginning, I mean,

0:54:51.480 --> 0:54:53.600
<v Speaker 2>it's it's a it's a when when these things start

0:54:53.640 --> 0:54:57.200
<v Speaker 2>to break, it just becomes a series of fingers pointing.

0:54:57.480 --> 0:54:59.719
<v Speaker 2>And when a finger points at you, you point your finger.

0:54:59.719 --> 0:55:01.400
<v Speaker 2>It's some one else, and then that finger points it

0:55:01.480 --> 0:55:03.759
<v Speaker 2>somewhere someone else, and then it's up to the courts

0:55:03.800 --> 0:55:05.400
<v Speaker 2>to decide who deserves the finger.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why I point with my whole hand.

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<v Speaker 2>M hmm.

0:55:08.280 --> 0:55:10.279
<v Speaker 1>Never never just one finger.

0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:12.040
<v Speaker 5>Give him the whole hand.

0:55:12.239 --> 0:55:15.319
<v Speaker 1>Give what's I think presidents have to do? You have

0:55:15.360 --> 0:55:17.120
<v Speaker 1>to kind of like point with your thumb when you

0:55:17.160 --> 0:55:20.680
<v Speaker 1>talk so you don't look like a dictator. Someone got

0:55:20.680 --> 0:55:22.759
<v Speaker 1>paid to figure that out.

0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:24.839
<v Speaker 5>He figured out.

0:55:24.960 --> 0:55:27.359
<v Speaker 1>He was the first one. Someone told him to do that.

0:55:27.560 --> 0:55:30.000
<v Speaker 1>But right now as we speak, there is a class

0:55:30.120 --> 0:55:34.800
<v Speaker 1>action lawsuit in the works for a Texas electric retailer

0:55:35.040 --> 0:55:39.160
<v Speaker 1>named Gritty. They're getting sued for one billion dollars.

0:55:39.320 --> 0:55:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Wait, Gritty like the mascot of Michigan Philadelphia, No two d's.

0:55:48.400 --> 0:55:50.920
<v Speaker 2>It's a cute sounding name, though, I'm not gonna lie.

0:55:51.440 --> 0:55:52.960
<v Speaker 1>True, it feels like an app that.

0:55:53.680 --> 0:55:56.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And for sure, that's not the only lawsuit that's

0:55:56.960 --> 0:55:58.760
<v Speaker 3>coming out. There's there are going to be so many

0:55:59.000 --> 0:56:01.920
<v Speaker 3>happening the next couple of years here because.

0:56:01.680 --> 0:56:02.400
<v Speaker 5>Of the situation.

0:56:02.960 --> 0:56:07.120
<v Speaker 3>And we also know that erkat that Energy Reliability Council,

0:56:07.160 --> 0:56:09.520
<v Speaker 3>that's not the folks who are in.

0:56:09.480 --> 0:56:11.480
<v Speaker 5>Charge of that thing are not getting away scott free either.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a cascade of resignations.

0:56:15.200 --> 0:56:17.440
<v Speaker 3>Correct, Yeah, that's correct. At least as of right now.

0:56:17.480 --> 0:56:19.279
<v Speaker 3>I believe it's six people who are leaving.

0:56:19.480 --> 0:56:20.840
<v Speaker 2>That's a minor cascade.

0:56:21.080 --> 0:56:26.360
<v Speaker 3>I'd say, yeah, yeah, it was I know five initially

0:56:26.800 --> 0:56:32.120
<v Speaker 3>five members of the board. They all tendered their resignation,

0:56:32.680 --> 0:56:34.560
<v Speaker 3>four of them I think, in one message and then

0:56:34.600 --> 0:56:38.160
<v Speaker 3>another one separately, and including that, I believe that's the

0:56:38.760 --> 0:56:41.240
<v Speaker 3>head of the board, right, the chair, the board chair.

0:56:41.239 --> 0:56:45.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, left, yeah, yeah. People, These resignations are all from

0:56:45.400 --> 0:56:48.800
<v Speaker 1>the Board of directors. But the headline might be a

0:56:48.840 --> 0:56:52.520
<v Speaker 1>little bit misleading in this one because in the joint

0:56:52.560 --> 0:56:56.760
<v Speaker 1>resignation letter that I think four of these people wrote,

0:56:57.440 --> 0:57:02.440
<v Speaker 1>they said that they were motivated to resign because people

0:57:02.600 --> 0:57:06.279
<v Speaker 1>had objected to the fact that these four people did

0:57:06.320 --> 0:57:10.360
<v Speaker 1>not themselves reside in Texas. So they said, I like

0:57:10.360 --> 0:57:13.080
<v Speaker 1>the way you would put it off air, Matt. They

0:57:13.120 --> 0:57:16.280
<v Speaker 1>basically threw their hands up, and we're like, okay.

0:57:16.080 --> 0:57:18.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh yeah, you guys deal with this. Oh that's cool.

0:57:18.920 --> 0:57:19.640
<v Speaker 3>We'll get out here.

0:57:20.080 --> 0:57:21.600
<v Speaker 1>Buck Pass officially.

0:57:26.240 --> 0:57:27.400
<v Speaker 2>Break forever.

0:57:27.920 --> 0:57:33.200
<v Speaker 1>So we are we are, you know, we are trying

0:57:33.240 --> 0:57:36.880
<v Speaker 1>to handle this with levity. But it is it is

0:57:36.960 --> 0:57:39.600
<v Speaker 1>true that regardless of you feel about the role of government,

0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:43.439
<v Speaker 1>the role of private industry, or how you feel about

0:57:43.440 --> 0:57:49.080
<v Speaker 1>the weather. These three things all played a role in

0:57:49.320 --> 0:57:53.120
<v Speaker 1>what whether through their absence or whether through their strategies,

0:57:53.160 --> 0:57:57.560
<v Speaker 1>they all played a role in this, in this terrifying

0:57:57.680 --> 0:58:03.840
<v Speaker 1>series of events. You in these situations, everybody wants someone

0:58:03.880 --> 0:58:05.720
<v Speaker 1>to blame, like we said at the very top of

0:58:05.760 --> 0:58:10.240
<v Speaker 1>the episode, but really you can't blame a utilities commission

0:58:10.800 --> 0:58:15.120
<v Speaker 1>for not being able to control the weather, right, That's

0:58:15.240 --> 0:58:17.880
<v Speaker 1>just something we all have to deal with. And then

0:58:18.000 --> 0:58:20.880
<v Speaker 1>when you think about winter rizing, if you dig down

0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:24.880
<v Speaker 1>into the boring stuff about winterrization, you'll see that no

0:58:25.040 --> 0:58:28.880
<v Speaker 1>small number of experts are saying at this point it

0:58:28.960 --> 0:58:32.520
<v Speaker 1>might be better to build out new infrastructure that's already

0:58:33.160 --> 0:58:36.480
<v Speaker 1>created to be weather proof then spending the money trying

0:58:36.480 --> 0:58:38.600
<v Speaker 1>to winterize the existing stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the issue that I have with that idea

0:58:41.800 --> 0:58:46.360
<v Speaker 2>of you can't blame them is the political stance of

0:58:46.440 --> 0:58:49.280
<v Speaker 2>so many people in power in a state like that

0:58:50.200 --> 0:58:55.840
<v Speaker 2>involves climate change denial. And this is an absolute, in

0:58:55.880 --> 0:59:01.320
<v Speaker 2>my opinion, example of the climate changing. So all these

0:59:01.320 --> 0:59:04.000
<v Speaker 2>climate deniers that are like you know, baring their head

0:59:04.040 --> 0:59:06.760
<v Speaker 2>in the sand, saying nothing to see here, Nothing's going

0:59:06.800 --> 0:59:10.600
<v Speaker 2>to happen then stuff like this happens and they weren't

0:59:10.600 --> 0:59:12.720
<v Speaker 2>prepared because they denied it.

0:59:13.880 --> 0:59:15.640
<v Speaker 1>I think that's you know, I think that is a

0:59:15.640 --> 0:59:18.640
<v Speaker 1>good point. I think it's a valid point. And also,

0:59:18.760 --> 0:59:24.240
<v Speaker 1>the weather is becoming increasingly unpredictable. If you are lucky

0:59:24.360 --> 0:59:29.800
<v Speaker 1>enough to have elderly people in your life, family or friends, right,

0:59:29.800 --> 0:59:33.760
<v Speaker 1>and when you say elderly sit, I'm thinking like seventy plus.

0:59:34.160 --> 0:59:35.960
<v Speaker 1>If you have people like that in your life and

0:59:37.600 --> 0:59:41.200
<v Speaker 1>you have some time, ask them how the weather was

0:59:41.280 --> 0:59:44.800
<v Speaker 1>when they were growing up, you're going to if they

0:59:44.800 --> 0:59:47.440
<v Speaker 1>haven't already told you. I know there's a stereotype that

0:59:47.480 --> 0:59:49.480
<v Speaker 1>older people like to talk about weather. But if they

0:59:49.480 --> 0:59:53.160
<v Speaker 1>haven't already told you, I guarantee that you will see

0:59:54.320 --> 0:59:57.640
<v Speaker 1>from firsthand experience that there has been a noticeable change

0:59:57.640 --> 1:00:00.800
<v Speaker 1>of weather over those seven decades those people were alive,

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<v Speaker 1>and that makes the problem even tougher. That's the question

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<v Speaker 1>we have to end on a question how can we

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<v Speaker 1>prepare for things that we can't predict? Can we afford

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<v Speaker 1>to prepare for everything, no matter how unlikely it may seem?

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<v Speaker 2>Should we? Should we even do that?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, like like Matt, you we have this thing

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<v Speaker 1>where we put in related episodes while we're working on

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<v Speaker 1>the show, and Matt, you cited a really great one

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<v Speaker 1>that I didn't necessarily think about immediately, which was our

1:00:31.840 --> 1:00:35.040
<v Speaker 1>question about whether a solar flare can destroy civilization. The

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<v Speaker 1>answer is yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, because the whole point I almost brought it

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<v Speaker 3>up earlier. We were talking about how long the power

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<v Speaker 3>was out and how long it could have been out right,

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<v Speaker 3>and if it was out for weeks, then you're dealing

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<v Speaker 3>with potentially the collapse of civilization in Texas.

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<v Speaker 5>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>That's exactly what that episode was about, because when you're out,

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<v Speaker 3>when power cannot be turned on for a certain amount

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<v Speaker 3>of time right now because of all of the infrastructure

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<v Speaker 3>and how everything functions, if it was off for long enough,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have any headphones anymore. If it was long

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<v Speaker 3>enough for if it was out for long enough, it's

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<v Speaker 3>absolute chaos. My son really wants me to tell you

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<v Speaker 3>guys about chaos and how exciting it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Is he a proponent of chaos theory?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, he's trying to get me to open a Bark's

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<v Speaker 5>root beer.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh got it. I mean, look, we can see what

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about in Thatt just by the series of

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<v Speaker 2>events in this story that happened over the span of

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<v Speaker 2>like several days, you know, I mean it really triggered

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<v Speaker 2>an absolute domino effect of things going horribly horribly wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, given a longer period of time, with

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<v Speaker 2>the right conditions, it absolutely would lead to the collapse

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<v Speaker 2>of civilization if things were you know, just wrong enough.

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<v Speaker 1>But then on the other hand, you know, it's still

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a gamble argue will believe because we take

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<v Speaker 1>the solar flare example. I'm just using that because it's

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<v Speaker 1>like an apocalyptic movie plot. In the solar flare example,

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<v Speaker 1>if you take the steps to harden an electric grid

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<v Speaker 1>right against this unpredictable event, then what happened, Like what

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<v Speaker 1>if one doesn't come for fifty years, then you just

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<v Speaker 1>look like you're incredibly paranoid. There's that other But there's

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<v Speaker 1>this other example. We talked a little bit about off air.

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<v Speaker 1>Back when the modern London sewer system was being built.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy who was heading it up said, look, we're

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<v Speaker 1>only going to do this once. I've got all the estimates,

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<v Speaker 1>everything that is reasonable, but.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna go way bigger.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to make these pipes like twice as big

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<v Speaker 1>as they need to be because if we don't, this

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<v Speaker 1>is going to come back to haunt us. And everybody

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<v Speaker 1>was like, you're crazy, dude. I don't know what your

1:03:03.120 --> 1:03:05.560
<v Speaker 1>thing with pipes is, but you need to pump your brakes.

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<v Speaker 1>And it turns out he was right. That's the only

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<v Speaker 1>reason the London sewer system still works is because someone

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<v Speaker 1>had the foresight to think about these future possibilities, and

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<v Speaker 1>they also didn't have a problem with being mocked for them,

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<v Speaker 1>like the guy who talked about washing your hands and

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<v Speaker 1>ended up in a satan asylum.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And these are questions for you, folks. We want to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to hear your thoughts. What's the answer here?

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<v Speaker 1>How do we avoid this massive tragedy and tragedies like

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<v Speaker 1>this in the future. Is there stuff we should do?

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<v Speaker 1>Should there is federal regulation? The answer for Texas? You

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<v Speaker 1>know a lot of people are going to say no.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people say that this is the point.

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<v Speaker 1>Is better predictive weather models? Do we just tell everybody

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<v Speaker 1>constantly live as those civilization may collapse the next.

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<v Speaker 5>Seventy two hours. That's the one. That's the one.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaking of My friend Vanessa just got back to me

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<v Speaker 3>and it's exactly this. I'm going to read this verbatim

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<v Speaker 3>to you. We are key preppers, so we were prepared,

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<v Speaker 3>but we had zero electricity, not rolling for eighty four hours.

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<v Speaker 3>Eighty four hours, the temperatures in our home got to

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<v Speaker 3>forty degrees. It was in the forties. We were okay,

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<v Speaker 3>but we had supplies. The elderly in our area had

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<v Speaker 3>it very hard, lots of pipes and damage. But it's

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<v Speaker 3>eighty degrees here today. Geoengineering is wacky. So basically, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>unless you are a prepper essentially, or you see yourself

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<v Speaker 3>as that way and are prepared for this stuff, you

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<v Speaker 3>may not be ready when something like this goes down

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<v Speaker 3>on the individual level of the home level, the apartment level,

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<v Speaker 3>whatever it is. It would be great if the companies

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<v Speaker 3>and these big organizations and the profit centers instead were prepared.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right now, as we continue, doubtlessly more information is

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<v Speaker 1>going to come out about how this catastrophe was handled,

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<v Speaker 1>and that may change everybody's view of the sequence of events.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's just the nature of how these sorts of

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<v Speaker 1>investigations work. On a side note, you guys, I finally

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<v Speaker 1>did it. I achieved my dream of getting a French mr,

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<v Speaker 1>which is an R C I R. They're just streets ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Chicken cordon bleur. What are we talking here?

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<v Speaker 1>They got some good stuff? Like they all come with

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<v Speaker 1>a pat. There's one that's like bor pet bo ar.

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<v Speaker 1>They've got some good stuff. I'll send you guys picks

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<v Speaker 1>when they come in.

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<v Speaker 3>But as long as there's something lorange in there that

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<v Speaker 3>we're good.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta ask you, guys, though, in a year or guys,

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<v Speaker 2>get the year that has already felt like half a year.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just consider this a continuation of last year, just

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<v Speaker 2>chock full of crazy, historical, unprecedented events. Where do you

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<v Speaker 2>think this one ranks?

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<v Speaker 1>Tough to say, honestly, because if the past several months

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<v Speaker 1>have taught us anything it is that the motto for

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<v Speaker 1>the motto for this year, the motto for last year.

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<v Speaker 1>The moto for last year was it's always something right,

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<v Speaker 1>and the motto for this year may well be but wait,

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<v Speaker 1>there's more. So I'm having a tough time. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's a great question, and it's one we should send

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<v Speaker 1>to you, our fellow listeners. How would you rank it?

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<v Speaker 1>What else is not getting reported? Because we can assure

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<v Speaker 1>you there's a lot and also how would somebody untangle

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<v Speaker 1>the complicated situation of Texas energy? What is the solution

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<v Speaker 1>and how plausible do you think it is for that

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<v Speaker 1>solution to be achieved before another event like this occurs.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to hear from you. We try to make

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1:07:04.400 --> 1:07:08.360
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<v Speaker 3>lots of us are already on there, and it'd be

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<v Speaker 5>Your face there too.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true, and I want to thank everybody who reached

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<v Speaker 1>out to me personally and said that we ruin their

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<v Speaker 1>day with that episode about baby food. Sorry, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's just better to know.

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<v Speaker 2>My hands are clean. I was on Adventures. You were

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<v Speaker 2>on Adventures. That's correct.

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<v Speaker 1>with us. We went legit and got we went semi

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