WEBVTT - 8. A Sleuth Exclusive, Scott Ehredt tells more about his two year relationship with Rachel Buffett. 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:08.479 Please be advised this story contains adult content and graphic language. 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:14.880 Welcome back to Sleuth. I'm Linda Sawyer. In this episode, 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:18.400 we feature part two of our interview with Rachel Buffett's 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:22.639 ex boyfriend, Scott Arrett. With so many stories filling his 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:26.160 years with Rachel, Scott called in after leaving our studio 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:30.040 to share a few additional memories he candidly revealed for 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:44.680 our listeners. Hello, Hello, how are you. It's Linda Sawyer 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:48.239 here from Sleuth. Hey. I just wanted to mention a 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:50.519 few things that I've It's just a couple of things 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:52.599 I forgot to talk about because I think they're important. 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:57.440 Go right ahead. Well, we didn't talk about how I 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:04.080 met Rachel's parents, which is a bizarre story all in itself. Um, 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:09.080 I don't if you want to know better than of course. Um, 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:12.280 it was pretty early on when we were seeing each other, 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:16.640 and I mean, I don't remember why, but for some reason, 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:19.000 meeting all times, it got me a hotel room right 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:22.560 across from the cancel down there to spend the night, 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:24.440 which they would do occasionally if I was doing something 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.720 like marketing it or something for them. And she got 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:29.680 all excited because we're staying in a nice hotel room 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:32.039 or blah blah blah. So she wasn't working that night, 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:34.000 and I was doing the show and I was looking 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:36.039 forward to getting out the show, and she was in 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:38.120 the room over there, or at the pool or whatever, 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:40.200 having a good time. I got out of the show 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:42.240 over and she's not there. And there are all these 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:44.840 text messages on my phone about how she went up 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:47.280 to seeing karaoke and it was with I think we 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:49.800 talked about that girl at the Castle that she just 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:54.480 glommed onto her and brought her into her circle. And 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:56.760 this is this poor girl had no clue about life 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:58.480 or what was going on next Sally, you know, she's 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:01.680 going to parties and showing off her boots for a 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:06.080 twenty bill because Rachel enjoyed doing that to her. So 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:09.079 she's with her. And she liked to exert power over 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:11.880 men and women, is what you're saying. Oh yeah, any 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:14.000 control she can have over anybody, and especially it was 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:17.640 to get them to do things that are bizarre that 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.359 they wouldn't normally do because then she wins. She got 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:24.400 them to do that. So that's all part of the 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.520 manipulation thing that she loved to do. So much. So anyway, 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.960 she um, there were texts on my phone, and there 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:32.720 were a lot of them, and they were slowly Obviously 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:35.720 she was getting pretty drunk from the text so I 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:37.560 tried calling her, I can get a hold of her. 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:40.799 Finally get I think I got a hold of her, 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:45.800 and she couldn't tell me where she was. And she 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:49.280 was with this girl from the Castle and Dave Barnhardt, 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:55.760 one of the circle of the Taco Tuesday people, you know, um, 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:59.840 and they're singing karaoke somewhere and she's trying to tell 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.919 where she is. She wants me to come singing. You know, 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:04.440 I don't know where you are. I don't want to 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:06.160 go to a bar, but I'm gonna come get you 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:09.040 because you sound like you wasted. So she finally she 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.200 hands the phone to this other girl and she's kind 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:12.560 of telling me she doesn't know the name of the 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:14.120 you know, she's the neighbor of the place, but she 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:16.720 can tell me exactly where it was. So I'm trying 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:18.600 to GPS by the name of the place, and to 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:20.320 make a long story short, I finally got there and 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:23.280 found the place and it's this seedy little dive bar 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:26.440 and I walk in and they're all sitting at a 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:29.480 table and there's some girl I don't know, there's the 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.640 girl from the castle, there's Rachel, and there's Dave and 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:36.280 Rachel is he's sitting in like a tall at one 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.320 of those tall tables and he sit on like stools, 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:40.640 and so he's sitting on the tall stool and she's 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:42.320 kind of like between his legs with her head on 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:45.320 his chest, and he's playing with her ass and she's 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:49.160 basically passed out. So I went up and said, okay, 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:50.920 I'm going to take her home now, and he got 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:53.120 pretty belligerent. He's still sitting there, and I said, no, 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:56.080 she's she's going home now. And I looked at her 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:57.640 and I said you have to go home now, and 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:01.080 she's kind of incoherently saying yeah, yeah, whatever. And I 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:02.680 said you want to go home and she said yes, 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:04.520 So okay, so I'm taking her home now, and he 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.400 got really kind of I forget, but he reached out 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:09.040 and I don't know if he pushed me or put 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:12.440 his arm on me or something, and I basically said, 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:14.440 if you touched me again, I'll rip your arm off 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:17.479 and beat you over the head with it. Um So 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:22.760 he was like territorial like a boyfriend. Oh yeah, yeah, 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:26.360 And so he yells for for security to come over, 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:29.320 and the bar security comes over. This is what's going on. 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.240 I said, this girl is extraordinarily drunk. Is this bar 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:36.760 going to keep serving your alcohol? He said, you no, no, 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:41.440 it's great that I'm taking her home. So they've kind 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:44.240 of backed off because security was there and said to 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:46.360 take her home. So I got I took her out 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:48.719 of the place, and we get out to the parking 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:50.719 lot and I don't know, cool air or something. She 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:52.440 came around a little bit and she's kind of sitting 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:55.520 there in the parking lot and she starts crying, and 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:57.440 she says, I just can't get away from these people. 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.760 And I realized I didn't realize then. I realized now 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:04.880 working back at it, that it's whoever she's with at 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.680 the moment that's the manipulation game she's playing. So with him, 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:09.360 she's playing one game when I showed him take her out. 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:10.520 Then all of a sudden, she's trying to me, I 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.159 can't get away from the It's not like a kidnapped her, 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:15.960 you know, she can't get away from these people. What 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:18.240 the hell does that mean? But at the time. It 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:20.240 was still early on and I'm still thinking this Port 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:22.760 girl was so confused and messed up from all this. 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:26.840 But she's so drunk. So I said, I'm taking you home, 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:29.719 and she's like, okay, But it didn't mean home to 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:33.320 my place, because as much as the story may sound 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:37.320 like I'm I'm a real creepy um, that's not what 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:40.600 I was. Gonna take her home to her home, which 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:43.920 is the flop house. Work able to have conjugal visits 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.400 with someone that's conscious, yeah, yeah, it would be better 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:48.520 if she was conscious. Yeah, So I get her in 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:50.360 the car and she passes up, but in the vaccine 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:52.919 she passed out. I don't know where she lives. I 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:54.560 now it's in Long Beach, So I'm driving toward a 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:56.960 Long Beach and I keep reaching over the season like 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:59.080 she's as rachels, you have to tell me where you live, 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.279 and eventually she kind of mumbled out the address, and 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:07.120 somehow I've found it. I don't remember exactly, but I 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:10.960 get there and it's this weird little warehouse that they've 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:14.440 converted to live in, which is her and her mother 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:16.920 and her father and her two older brothers and her 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.359 younger sister and her younger brother are all living in 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:23.080 this little weird converted warehouse and it's like a one 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:27.880 bedroom warehouse. I lost, like I was told. Yeah, yeah, 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.880 so it's like Mother Hubbard and the Shoe. It really is. 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:34.200 I mean, they're living it's I hadn't been in it yet, 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:35.719 so I didn't know at that point, but it's it's 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:41.360 a bizarre living arrangement. It's bizarre. So I get her 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:43.320 as she's saying no, no, no, and no, you're you're 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:46.000 going home. So I take her out. I'm pounding on 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.880 the door. Nobody's answering at the back door, so I 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:51.640 go around to the front door, which is this weird 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.479 you know, opaque glass. It used to be like a 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:56.960 storefront or a warehouse or something. Right, they look like 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:01.599 businesses from the front, right, Yeah. Yeah. Some pounding on 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:03.760 the front door, and I can hear a TV or 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.159 something on inside, but the kid no one answering the door. 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.680 What time would you say? This is? Oh god, that's 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:12.200 a good question. Okay, the show would get out at 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:18.040 tennish eleven twelve. It's probably one o'clock in the morning. 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:22.600 One o'clock in the morning. Some I keep on. I'm 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.559 finally she like pulls away from me and goes running 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:27.840 up the street, and I thought, well, okay, how far 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:30.040 can she go? She can barely work, So I keep 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:33.480 pounding on the door, and finally I don't remember who 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:38.400 answered first, but her father's and his boxers, and her 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:42.920 sister's and a little sleeper and her mother's and like 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:46.480 a nightgown, and they're all like, what's going on? And 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:49.360 I said, I brought Rachel homes. She's drunk out of 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:53.160 her mind and she should be home, and oh, where 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:54.800 is she? I said, she went running up the street. 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:56.880 So they come out and we're all trying, and we're 0:07:56.920 --> 0:08:00.360 calling her and we're looking around and she he can't 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:02.560 find her, So you'll go back to the front of 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:04.200 the place again. And I'm gonna leave because I'm like, 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:08.600 I don't know what to do. I've brought her home. Yeah, 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.960 And at that point her sister says, she's here. She's here, 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:14.160 So we all go running out of the bag and 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.760 Noah had come home and parked in the back, and 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:20.000 I guess she saw him from wherever she wasn't running 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.640 over to him, and they're sitting at the base of 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:26.040 a tree across the street and She's in his lap, 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:27.920 must like she was in Dave's lab in the bar, 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:29.720 like the Trina's legs with her head on his chest 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:34.200 and he's petting her, and she's crying and crying and crying. 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:38.160 I'm out. I'm going home. Your home now, with your family. 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:39.920 They have your best interest to her, they'll take care 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:44.560 of him. It was bizarre. So I left him, went home, 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:46.559 and the next day she called me and she's very 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:49.600 apologetic and she needs help getting her car and everything. 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:51.719 Now why her family couldn't help her, I don't know. 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:56.079 I don't know, but she needed to help. She need 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:58.000 to go get her car, and you know, So I 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:03.600 drove back down to Orange Can and we found her 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:06.520 car was parked not far from the bar. But she 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:08.840 never keys, and she says, I think Dave took my 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:13.360 keys because I was drunk. I said, okay, So she 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:15.320 wants me to drive her to Dave's place. So it's 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.680 this apartment building. I drive over there and I was 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:20.600 amazed because she said, I don't want to get the keys. 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.800 I said, okay. She just walked in. There was no knocking, 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.480 there was no she just went over and walked in. 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:29.439 She was in there for a while and she came 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:31.160 out and she's shaking her head. And when she said, well, 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:34.000 he wanted me to get in bed with him, what 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:35.920 what are you talking about? She's about I had to 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:37.760 tell him just here for the keys because he wanted 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:39.679 me to get in bed with them. So I had 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:41.680 to like just placed him to get the keys. I said, 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:43.680 what do you mean play him? She's well, just talked 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:47.240 to him. It was okay, So she got her keys. 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:51.600 And uh so that's a sense of that, like she's 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.679 egging him on a bit. That's maybe she's leading him 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.000 on if he thinks that he has the right to 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:00.440 ask that. And you saw them in this comp amising 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:05.440 position when you showed up at the bar. Yeah, it 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.600 sounds like she was teasing him a bit. She was. 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.880 Absolutely She would flirt with him on the phone. He 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:14.320 would I mean I would be there and he would 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.160 be sending her texts and she would start laughing and 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:20.000 I'd say, well, what are you sending back? And she said, well, yeah, 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:21.520 we can go for drinks that I'm not going to 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:26.640 f you. Why would you even write that because that's 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:28.440 all he wants, that's really what he wants. I said, 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:33.040 then why go at all, right, but you know, it 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:38.000 was weird. It's it's that, it's she gets attention. It's 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:42.319 part of the manipulation and the and the power. Yeah, 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:44.760 you know, she's the star of the Little Uh Show, 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.000 you know. So that's that's how I met her parents. 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:53.000 Do you think that she had a similar dynamic with 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:58.720 John Randolph? Oh? Absolutely, Yeah. She admitted to making out 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:00.440 with him on the couch while if Ilet was in 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:05.280 the kitchen making snacks. Wow. So I thought that was 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:08.920 a bizarre, she said, but nothing's ever going to happen 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:13.600 because I don't really like him that way. Okay, it 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.000 was bizarre. Another bizarre. I mean that the whole thing. 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.199 You know, the more more stories I heard, the more bizarre. 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:21.079 A god, you know. She stayed with the Randolphs for 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:24.840 about a month after Dan was arrested, and Violet told 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:28.720 me that the day she finally threw her out was 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:30.960 the day Violet came home from work. Because Violet would 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.400 leave for work every day and and the two of 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.360 them would be left behind in the apartment. And I said, 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:38.480 where did where did Rachel sleep at night? And she 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:43.240 said in between us and the bed, And I said, 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.000 and that's what she said, I said, I mean you 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:49.120 were married to John. How did you handle that? I mean, 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.360 that's a that's a long time to have, you know, 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:58.400 the Disney princess slash potential accomplice, the two murders, I mean, 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:02.000 sleeping in between you and your husband. How did you 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:05.720 handle that? And she said, well, you know, John is 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:10.800 a bit of a narcissist and he pretty much ruled 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:15.079 the rous there and he wanted to basically stand by her. 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:19.559 He felt that there was this mob type mentality for 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:22.640 so many of the friends at cam to Martinique that 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:26.439 just completely were convinced she was involved and he was 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.240 going to stand a part. He was the one with 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:32.280 the highest i Q. And he knew better. So so 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.920 she said, I kind of went along with it until 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.960 the day I came home from work and the bitch 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:42.760 said to me, you know, your ovens really filthy, And 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:48.240 she said, you're out of here. I thought that was 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:52.080 just classic. Yeah, are they still together John and Violent? 0:12:52.679 --> 0:13:00.440 No they're not. They're now officially divorced. Yeah, But I mean, 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:03.000 you have to do this circle of people. It's just 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:07.000 a bizarre circle of people, you know. I mean, you 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.600 have someone who insists on sleeping in bed between you 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.080 and your husband every night. But the final straw, she 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:18.240 complains that your own's journey, there's something weird there, There's 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:21.320 something it's just a weird circle of people. It's like 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:23.800 the perfect storm all got together at those apartments. And 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.040 I think David Lynch would have a field day at 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:36.160 Camden Martinique. Yeah, I think. So. It felt like in 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:38.439 many ways you were like a father figure to her. 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:45.959 To Rachel, I think probably in a lot of way. 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:48.719 I mean, make fun of me and go, oh, what's 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:51.400 the only day when with father with the daddy complexes, 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:56.800 um because of the eight events, but um, maybe. But 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:01.920 she has such a weird dynamic with her own father. 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:05.880 I mean it's like I love hate relationship. She I 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:14.120 think she appreciates his bad boy stuff, but at the 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:17.680 same time, she's very religious, so she's got to hate 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:23.520 that stuff. But she has absolutely no respect for her mother, 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:28.600 who's just a just a Jesus freak to the point 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:33.400 of being like mentally disturbed. So it's it's a yeah, maybe, 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:36.840 I don't know, I don't know, Yeah you did, you 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.360 did sort of expressed to me there was this duality 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:43.400 that she had emotionally with her dad, because you know, 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.200 one point, she detested him because he spent all of 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:50.240 their money on prostitutes and gambling. And at the same time, 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:54.040 like you said, she could relate to that bad boy. 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.400 And you know when you said it just now, it 0:14:56.480 --> 0:15:01.400 made me realize something. She may have hated him for 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:06.360 spending all the family's money because that affected her. The 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:08.920 fact that he was doing prostitutes and gambling and having 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.880 an affair and screwing up her whole dad, I think 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.760 she admired. Had he been able to do without bankrupting 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:16.800 and causing her to move out of that nice house 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:19.080 into her brother's flophouse, I think she would have been 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:22.680 okay with it because it bankrupted them and cost her 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:26.040 that lifestyle. That was the bad part. Not that he's 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:32.440 doing prostitutes and screwing over her mother, that's okay, But money, 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:35.280 I mean the money was you know, they had to 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:37.040 move out of that nice little house by the beach 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:38.880 and moving to her brother's flop house and had to 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:40.680 sleep on the couch, And how dare he do that 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:45.200 to her? That's what he did to the mom. That's 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.360 okay what he did to the mother, But how dare 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.920 be forced her to sleep on the couch in her 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:54.680 brother's flophouse. That sort of falls in line with what 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:59.760 Fernando Perez's letter reflected. He was a jail house informant 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:03.560 that spoke to Dan at length and asked him how 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:06.840 how much Rachel knew and how involved was she in 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:11.240 the planning of these murders. And Daniel said to him 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:14.160 she knew, and not only did she know, but she 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.520 told me to do whatever I had to do to 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:21.320 make them happy. So it doesn't matter about the behavior 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:24.520 or the act, or how heinous it might be, as 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:30.880 long as it impacted her in a positive way. Absolutely, yeah, definitely. 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:36.400 And the manipulation of Daniel. I never knew him, I've 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:38.920 never met him at the learning about him really obviously 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:44.840 a lunatic, but the manipulation. She showed me pictures of 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:47.400 her in like a bikini or brown panties and stuff, 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:50.560 and she was she was getting these pictures taken because 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.800 she was telling Daniel he couldn't get the money, then 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:56.360 she'd get it, and she'd get it by doing porn 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.920 and and and that kind of stuff. And maybe on Craigslist, 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:07.119 you know, to do a prostitution. That's incredible. If you 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.000 don't get the money for our honeymoon, I'm going to 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:15.880 do porn. Who wants to marry? That exactly, But they weren't, 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:20.479 you know, he even that That's that reminds me of 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:25.639 a of a very telling story that John Spath shared 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:29.640 with me. And he's Brittany Boudre's stepdad, and Brittany was 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:33.520 the girlfriend of Daniel before Rachel and she. They also 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:37.679 Daniel cheated on Rachel while they were engaged with Brittany 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:40.159 went back to Brittany and they did a sex tape 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:45.120 and Rachel found it and threatened to leave Daniel, and 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:48.760 she found it just a few weeks before the murders. 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:52.880 So I think that's what jump started this whole hideous 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:57.240 chapter of of their lives. But well, there's no there's 0:17:57.240 --> 0:18:00.120 no better way to bind somebody to you than to 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:04.159 be involved in a murder plot with the money, you know, 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:06.560 that comes a pretty strong bond at the end of 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.840 that stuff. So about John Spath, he told me the 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:14.439 story about Dan coming down to see him on the 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:18.439 weekend of the murders. It was Sunday, late afternoon, early evening, 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:20.800 and he said he really wanted to see him and 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:24.080 Brittany and her mom were up in San Francisco. They 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:26.800 were auditioning for American Idols. So John was on his 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:30.280 own down in their townhouse in Ladera Ranch, and so 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:32.439 he said, sure, come on down, We'll grill some steaks 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:36.160 and have some stogies. And Dan came down and and 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:41.320 really opened up and said to him that he admired 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:44.000 John so much because he stood up for his family, 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:49.720 He protected his family. He you know, didn't let anybody 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:53.040 give him any ship, and he just thought of him 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:55.919 like a role model that he would have loved to 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:58.919 have been, but he wasn't because he said his whole life, 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:03.639 women min populated him, controlled him, and he didn't have 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:05.800 the power to confront them or stand up to them. 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:10.200 And he was questioning, Yeah, he was questioning with John, 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:13.560 I don't know if I'm I'm making the right choice 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:17.600 by marrying Rachel. I'm wondering. I'm worried I'm making a mistake. 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:21.080 So I was like, you know, that was in essence 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:23.439 sort of like a confession to you John, because he 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:27.520 had killed these these people, these you know, Sam Harry 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:30.480 and Julie Kabushi, with the idea that he was going 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:33.959 to get Sam's money and and take care of Rachel 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:37.560 and you know, bring her on this wonderful cruise and 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:39.639 she wouldn't have to you know, steal anymore or do 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:44.240 porn or whatever else. And he's going, I don't know 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:48.320 if this is the right girl for me. But I 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:57.720 really felt that that was a very telling statement. That's fascinating, fascinating. 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:02.720 I don't, like I said about Dan, I don't think 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:07.679 from I knew people who knew him and worked with 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:11.520 him in the little theater shows and stuff. I don't 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:15.400 think this ever would have happened without her. I don't 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:18.280 think he ever would have done anything. I think she 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:23.000 is capable of manipulating a weak person into doing just 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:27.320 about anything. So do you have any doubt that she 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:32.359 was involved in the planning and execution of these murders? Well, 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:37.800 like I said, I would say, I'm positive that she did. 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:41.680 The one percent hesitation I have is that he has 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:43.600 never said, although you just said he said it to 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:46.159 a jail house informant, that she wasn't on the planning 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:50.639 right Jesus, So no. So now I guess I'm a 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:54.720 d pretent sure, because my one percent hesitation is always 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:57.480 why doesn't he roll over? On her. He's in jail 0:20:57.520 --> 0:20:59.359 with the death sentence. Why doesn't he jail? By the 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:03.400 way she helped me do it. I mean, as far 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:06.240 as anyone knows, she's abandoned him now. She said she 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:08.400 flipped them off at the last meeting and walked down. 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:14.760 I keep thinking, why wouldn't he But if he, if 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:16.760 he did, if he's already admitted it from John House 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:19.320 and said no, I have have zero doubt because that 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:22.000 was my only doubt. And I think a lot of 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:25.080 not coming forward and rolling over on Rachel has to 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:29.480 do with protecting his brother. Tim wasn't act well. Yeah, 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:35.199 but speaking of a yes, could you? I think that 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:40.399 one of the sole friends that Rachel had up until 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:47.920 recently was a woman by the name of Shana Adler. Yeah, yeah, 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:55.000 Shana briefly a little bit. She um it was supposedly 0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:58.280 a horse person and that's like my my passionate life. 0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:02.840 So um, forget how it came about, but she ended 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:06.200 up she wanted to give riding lessons or horse trading 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:08.879 lessons or something, so somehow she ended up with a 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:12.240 horse and she came out here out to act. And 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:14.959 I don't know if we rode horses or she's got 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:17.400 and visited the horses. But the next day, now she's 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:19.080 got a horse and she's moving it out here to 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:21.120 the place where our bird board my horses, and she's 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:23.080 going to start up this business and she's starting her 0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:25.040 website and she's gonna do all the stuff with the horses. 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:28.719 And so I got to know where a little bit 0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:33.399 through all that, and then I don't remember what turned 0:22:33.400 --> 0:22:36.360 it all around, but she's speaking of narcissists. I mean, 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:38.280 she's one of those people where you have a conversation 0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:43.040 and you can say she can say, um, you know, 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:44.720