Speaker 1: Please be advised this story contains adult content and graphic language.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Sleuth. I'm Linda Sawyer. In this episode,
Speaker 1: we feature part two of our interview with Rachel Buffett's
Speaker 1: ex boyfriend, Scott Arrett. With so many stories filling his
Speaker 1: years with Rachel, Scott called in after leaving our studio
Speaker 1: to share a few additional memories he candidly revealed for
Speaker 1: our listeners. Hello, Hello, how are you. It's Linda Sawyer
Speaker 1: here from Sleuth. Hey. I just wanted to mention a
Speaker 1: few things that I've It's just a couple of things
Speaker 1: I forgot to talk about because I think they're important.
Speaker 1: Go right ahead. Well, we didn't talk about how I
Speaker 1: met Rachel's parents, which is a bizarre story all in itself. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't if you want to know better than of course. Um,
Speaker 1: it was pretty early on when we were seeing each other,
Speaker 1: and I mean, I don't remember why, but for some reason,
Speaker 1: meeting all times, it got me a hotel room right
Speaker 1: across from the cancel down there to spend the night,
Speaker 1: which they would do occasionally if I was doing something
Speaker 1: like marketing it or something for them. And she got
Speaker 1: all excited because we're staying in a nice hotel room
Speaker 1: or blah blah blah. So she wasn't working that night,
Speaker 1: and I was doing the show and I was looking
Speaker 1: forward to getting out the show, and she was in
Speaker 1: the room over there, or at the pool or whatever,
Speaker 1: having a good time. I got out of the show
Speaker 1: over and she's not there. And there are all these
Speaker 1: text messages on my phone about how she went up
Speaker 1: to seeing karaoke and it was with I think we
Speaker 1: talked about that girl at the Castle that she just
Speaker 1: glommed onto her and brought her into her circle. And
Speaker 1: this is this poor girl had no clue about life
Speaker 1: or what was going on next Sally, you know, she's
Speaker 1: going to parties and showing off her boots for a
Speaker 1: twenty bill because Rachel enjoyed doing that to her. So
Speaker 1: she's with her. And she liked to exert power over
Speaker 1: men and women, is what you're saying. Oh yeah, any
Speaker 1: control she can have over anybody, and especially it was
Speaker 1: to get them to do things that are bizarre that
Speaker 1: they wouldn't normally do because then she wins. She got
Speaker 1: them to do that. So that's all part of the
Speaker 1: manipulation thing that she loved to do. So much. So anyway,
Speaker 1: she um, there were texts on my phone, and there
Speaker 1: were a lot of them, and they were slowly Obviously
Speaker 1: she was getting pretty drunk from the text so I
Speaker 1: tried calling her, I can get a hold of her.
Speaker 1: Finally get I think I got a hold of her,
Speaker 1: and she couldn't tell me where she was. And she
Speaker 1: was with this girl from the Castle and Dave Barnhardt,
Speaker 1: one of the circle of the Taco Tuesday people, you know, um,
Speaker 1: and they're singing karaoke somewhere and she's trying to tell
Speaker 1: where she is. She wants me to come singing. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know where you are. I don't want to
Speaker 1: go to a bar, but I'm gonna come get you
Speaker 1: because you sound like you wasted. So she finally she
Speaker 1: hands the phone to this other girl and she's kind
Speaker 1: of telling me she doesn't know the name of the
Speaker 1: you know, she's the neighbor of the place, but she
Speaker 1: can tell me exactly where it was. So I'm trying
Speaker 1: to GPS by the name of the place, and to
Speaker 1: make a long story short, I finally got there and
Speaker 1: found the place and it's this seedy little dive bar
Speaker 1: and I walk in and they're all sitting at a
Speaker 1: table and there's some girl I don't know, there's the
Speaker 1: girl from the castle, there's Rachel, and there's Dave and
Speaker 1: Rachel is he's sitting in like a tall at one
Speaker 1: of those tall tables and he sit on like stools,
Speaker 1: and so he's sitting on the tall stool and she's
Speaker 1: kind of like between his legs with her head on
Speaker 1: his chest, and he's playing with her ass and she's
Speaker 1: basically passed out. So I went up and said, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to take her home now, and he got
Speaker 1: pretty belligerent. He's still sitting there, and I said, no,
Speaker 1: she's she's going home now. And I looked at her
Speaker 1: and I said you have to go home now, and
Speaker 1: she's kind of incoherently saying yeah, yeah, whatever. And I
Speaker 1: said you want to go home and she said yes,
Speaker 1: So okay, so I'm taking her home now, and he
Speaker 1: got really kind of I forget, but he reached out
Speaker 1: and I don't know if he pushed me or put
Speaker 1: his arm on me or something, and I basically said,
Speaker 1: if you touched me again, I'll rip your arm off
Speaker 1: and beat you over the head with it. Um So
Speaker 1: he was like territorial like a boyfriend. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And so he yells for for security to come over,
Speaker 1: and the bar security comes over. This is what's going on.
Speaker 1: I said, this girl is extraordinarily drunk. Is this bar
Speaker 1: going to keep serving your alcohol? He said, you no, no,
Speaker 1: it's great that I'm taking her home. So they've kind
Speaker 1: of backed off because security was there and said to
Speaker 1: take her home. So I got I took her out
Speaker 1: of the place, and we get out to the parking
Speaker 1: lot and I don't know, cool air or something. She
Speaker 1: came around a little bit and she's kind of sitting
Speaker 1: there in the parking lot and she starts crying, and
Speaker 1: she says, I just can't get away from these people.
Speaker 1: And I realized I didn't realize then. I realized now
Speaker 1: working back at it, that it's whoever she's with at
Speaker 1: the moment that's the manipulation game she's playing. So with him,
Speaker 1: she's playing one game when I showed him take her out.
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, she's trying to me, I
Speaker 1: can't get away from the It's not like a kidnapped her,
Speaker 1: you know, she can't get away from these people. What
Speaker 1: the hell does that mean? But at the time. It
Speaker 1: was still early on and I'm still thinking this Port
Speaker 1: girl was so confused and messed up from all this.
Speaker 1: But she's so drunk. So I said, I'm taking you home,
Speaker 1: and she's like, okay, But it didn't mean home to
Speaker 1: my place, because as much as the story may sound
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm a real creepy um, that's not what
Speaker 1: I was. Gonna take her home to her home, which
Speaker 1: is the flop house. Work able to have conjugal visits
Speaker 1: with someone that's conscious, yeah, yeah, it would be better
Speaker 1: if she was conscious. Yeah, So I get her in
Speaker 1: the car and she passes up, but in the vaccine
Speaker 1: she passed out. I don't know where she lives. I
Speaker 1: now it's in Long Beach, So I'm driving toward a
Speaker 1: Long Beach and I keep reaching over the season like
Speaker 1: she's as rachels, you have to tell me where you live,
Speaker 1: and eventually she kind of mumbled out the address, and
Speaker 1: somehow I've found it. I don't remember exactly, but I
Speaker 1: get there and it's this weird little warehouse that they've
Speaker 1: converted to live in, which is her and her mother
Speaker 1: and her father and her two older brothers and her
Speaker 1: younger sister and her younger brother are all living in
Speaker 1: this little weird converted warehouse and it's like a one
Speaker 1: bedroom warehouse. I lost, like I was told. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's like Mother Hubbard and the Shoe. It really is.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're living it's I hadn't been in it yet,
Speaker 1: so I didn't know at that point, but it's it's
Speaker 1: a bizarre living arrangement. It's bizarre. So I get her
Speaker 1: as she's saying no, no, no, and no, you're you're
Speaker 1: going home. So I take her out. I'm pounding on
Speaker 1: the door. Nobody's answering at the back door, so I
Speaker 1: go around to the front door, which is this weird
Speaker 1: you know, opaque glass. It used to be like a
Speaker 1: storefront or a warehouse or something. Right, they look like
Speaker 1: businesses from the front, right, Yeah. Yeah. Some pounding on
Speaker 1: the front door, and I can hear a TV or
Speaker 1: something on inside, but the kid no one answering the door.
Speaker 1: What time would you say? This is? Oh god, that's
Speaker 1: a good question. Okay, the show would get out at
Speaker 1: tennish eleven twelve. It's probably one o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1: One o'clock in the morning. Some I keep on. I'm
Speaker 1: finally she like pulls away from me and goes running
Speaker 1: up the street, and I thought, well, okay, how far
Speaker 1: can she go? She can barely work, So I keep
Speaker 1: pounding on the door, and finally I don't remember who
Speaker 1: answered first, but her father's and his boxers, and her
Speaker 1: sister's and a little sleeper and her mother's and like
Speaker 1: a nightgown, and they're all like, what's going on? And
Speaker 1: I said, I brought Rachel homes. She's drunk out of
Speaker 1: her mind and she should be home, and oh, where
Speaker 1: is she? I said, she went running up the street.
Speaker 1: So they come out and we're all trying, and we're
Speaker 1: calling her and we're looking around and she he can't
Speaker 1: find her, So you'll go back to the front of
Speaker 1: the place again. And I'm gonna leave because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. I've brought her home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And at that point her sister says, she's here. She's here,
Speaker 1: So we all go running out of the bag and
Speaker 1: Noah had come home and parked in the back, and
Speaker 1: I guess she saw him from wherever she wasn't running
Speaker 1: over to him, and they're sitting at the base of
Speaker 1: a tree across the street and She's in his lap,
Speaker 1: must like she was in Dave's lab in the bar,
Speaker 1: like the Trina's legs with her head on his chest
Speaker 1: and he's petting her, and she's crying and crying and crying.
Speaker 1: I'm out. I'm going home. Your home now, with your family.
Speaker 1: They have your best interest to her, they'll take care
Speaker 1: of him. It was bizarre. So I left him, went home,
Speaker 1: and the next day she called me and she's very
Speaker 1: apologetic and she needs help getting her car and everything.
Speaker 1: Now why her family couldn't help her, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but she needed to help. She need
Speaker 1: to go get her car, and you know, So I
Speaker 1: drove back down to Orange Can and we found her
Speaker 1: car was parked not far from the bar. But she
Speaker 1: never keys, and she says, I think Dave took my
Speaker 1: keys because I was drunk. I said, okay, So she
Speaker 1: wants me to drive her to Dave's place. So it's
Speaker 1: this apartment building. I drive over there and I was
Speaker 1: amazed because she said, I don't want to get the keys.
Speaker 1: I said, okay. She just walked in. There was no knocking,
Speaker 1: there was no she just went over and walked in.
Speaker 1: She was in there for a while and she came
Speaker 1: out and she's shaking her head. And when she said, well,
Speaker 1: he wanted me to get in bed with him, what
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? She's about I had to
Speaker 1: tell him just here for the keys because he wanted
Speaker 1: me to get in bed with them. So I had
Speaker 1: to like just placed him to get the keys. I said,
Speaker 1: what do you mean play him? She's well, just talked
Speaker 1: to him. It was okay, So she got her keys.
Speaker 1: And uh so that's a sense of that, like she's
Speaker 1: egging him on a bit. That's maybe she's leading him
Speaker 1: on if he thinks that he has the right to
Speaker 1: ask that. And you saw them in this comp amising
Speaker 1: position when you showed up at the bar. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: sounds like she was teasing him a bit. She was.
Speaker 1: Absolutely She would flirt with him on the phone. He
Speaker 1: would I mean I would be there and he would
Speaker 1: be sending her texts and she would start laughing and
Speaker 1: I'd say, well, what are you sending back? And she said, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we can go for drinks that I'm not going to
Speaker 1: f you. Why would you even write that because that's
Speaker 1: all he wants, that's really what he wants. I said,
Speaker 1: then why go at all, right, but you know, it
Speaker 1: was weird. It's it's that, it's she gets attention. It's
Speaker 1: part of the manipulation and the and the power. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, she's the star of the Little Uh Show,
Speaker 1: you know. So that's that's how I met her parents.
Speaker 1: Do you think that she had a similar dynamic with
Speaker 1: John Randolph? Oh? Absolutely, Yeah. She admitted to making out
Speaker 1: with him on the couch while if Ilet was in
Speaker 1: the kitchen making snacks. Wow. So I thought that was
Speaker 1: a bizarre, she said, but nothing's ever going to happen
Speaker 1: because I don't really like him that way. Okay, it
Speaker 1: was bizarre. Another bizarre. I mean that the whole thing.
Speaker 1: You know, the more more stories I heard, the more bizarre.
Speaker 1: A god, you know. She stayed with the Randolphs for
Speaker 1: about a month after Dan was arrested, and Violet told
Speaker 1: me that the day she finally threw her out was
Speaker 1: the day Violet came home from work. Because Violet would
Speaker 1: leave for work every day and and the two of
Speaker 1: them would be left behind in the apartment. And I said,
Speaker 1: where did where did Rachel sleep at night? And she
Speaker 1: said in between us and the bed, And I said,
Speaker 1: and that's what she said, I said, I mean you
Speaker 1: were married to John. How did you handle that? I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a long time to have, you know,
Speaker 1: the Disney princess slash potential accomplice, the two murders, I mean,
Speaker 1: sleeping in between you and your husband. How did you
Speaker 1: handle that? And she said, well, you know, John is
Speaker 1: a bit of a narcissist and he pretty much ruled
Speaker 1: the rous there and he wanted to basically stand by her.
Speaker 1: He felt that there was this mob type mentality for
Speaker 1: so many of the friends at cam to Martinique that
Speaker 1: just completely were convinced she was involved and he was
Speaker 1: going to stand a part. He was the one with
Speaker 1: the highest i Q. And he knew better. So so
Speaker 1: she said, I kind of went along with it until
Speaker 1: the day I came home from work and the bitch
Speaker 1: said to me, you know, your ovens really filthy, And
Speaker 1: she said, you're out of here. I thought that was
Speaker 1: just classic. Yeah, are they still together John and Violent?
Speaker 1: No they're not. They're now officially divorced. Yeah, But I mean,
Speaker 1: you have to do this circle of people. It's just
Speaker 1: a bizarre circle of people, you know. I mean, you
Speaker 1: have someone who insists on sleeping in bed between you
Speaker 1: and your husband every night. But the final straw, she
Speaker 1: complains that your own's journey, there's something weird there, There's
Speaker 1: something it's just a weird circle of people. It's like
Speaker 1: the perfect storm all got together at those apartments. And
Speaker 1: I think David Lynch would have a field day at
Speaker 1: Camden Martinique. Yeah, I think. So. It felt like in
Speaker 1: many ways you were like a father figure to her.
Speaker 1: To Rachel, I think probably in a lot of way.
Speaker 1: I mean, make fun of me and go, oh, what's
Speaker 1: the only day when with father with the daddy complexes,
Speaker 1: um because of the eight events, but um, maybe. But
Speaker 1: she has such a weird dynamic with her own father.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like I love hate relationship. She I
Speaker 1: think she appreciates his bad boy stuff, but at the
Speaker 1: same time, she's very religious, so she's got to hate
Speaker 1: that stuff. But she has absolutely no respect for her mother,
Speaker 1: who's just a just a Jesus freak to the point
Speaker 1: of being like mentally disturbed. So it's it's a yeah, maybe,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, Yeah you did, you
Speaker 1: did sort of expressed to me there was this duality
Speaker 1: that she had emotionally with her dad, because you know,
Speaker 1: one point, she detested him because he spent all of
Speaker 1: their money on prostitutes and gambling. And at the same time,
Speaker 1: like you said, she could relate to that bad boy.
Speaker 1: And you know when you said it just now, it
Speaker 1: made me realize something. She may have hated him for
Speaker 1: spending all the family's money because that affected her. The
Speaker 1: fact that he was doing prostitutes and gambling and having
Speaker 1: an affair and screwing up her whole dad, I think
Speaker 1: she admired. Had he been able to do without bankrupting
Speaker 1: and causing her to move out of that nice house
Speaker 1: into her brother's flophouse, I think she would have been
Speaker 1: okay with it because it bankrupted them and cost her
Speaker 1: that lifestyle. That was the bad part. Not that he's
Speaker 1: doing prostitutes and screwing over her mother, that's okay, But money,
Speaker 1: I mean the money was you know, they had to
Speaker 1: move out of that nice little house by the beach
Speaker 1: and moving to her brother's flop house and had to
Speaker 1: sleep on the couch, And how dare he do that
Speaker 1: to her? That's what he did to the mom. That's
Speaker 1: okay what he did to the mother, But how dare
Speaker 1: be forced her to sleep on the couch in her
Speaker 1: brother's flophouse. That sort of falls in line with what
Speaker 1: Fernando Perez's letter reflected. He was a jail house informant
Speaker 1: that spoke to Dan at length and asked him how
Speaker 1: how much Rachel knew and how involved was she in
Speaker 1: the planning of these murders. And Daniel said to him
Speaker 1: she knew, and not only did she know, but she
Speaker 1: told me to do whatever I had to do to
Speaker 1: make them happy. So it doesn't matter about the behavior
Speaker 1: or the act, or how heinous it might be, as
Speaker 1: long as it impacted her in a positive way. Absolutely, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: And the manipulation of Daniel. I never knew him, I've
Speaker 1: never met him at the learning about him really obviously
Speaker 1: a lunatic, but the manipulation. She showed me pictures of
Speaker 1: her in like a bikini or brown panties and stuff,
Speaker 1: and she was she was getting these pictures taken because
Speaker 1: she was telling Daniel he couldn't get the money, then
Speaker 1: she'd get it, and she'd get it by doing porn
Speaker 1: and and and that kind of stuff. And maybe on Craigslist,
Speaker 1: you know, to do a prostitution. That's incredible. If you
Speaker 1: don't get the money for our honeymoon, I'm going to
Speaker 1: do porn. Who wants to marry? That exactly, But they weren't,
Speaker 1: you know, he even that That's that reminds me of
Speaker 1: a of a very telling story that John Spath shared
Speaker 1: with me. And he's Brittany Boudre's stepdad, and Brittany was
Speaker 1: the girlfriend of Daniel before Rachel and she. They also
Speaker 1: Daniel cheated on Rachel while they were engaged with Brittany
Speaker 1: went back to Brittany and they did a sex tape
Speaker 1: and Rachel found it and threatened to leave Daniel, and
Speaker 1: she found it just a few weeks before the murders.
Speaker 1: So I think that's what jump started this whole hideous
Speaker 1: chapter of of their lives. But well, there's no there's
Speaker 1: no better way to bind somebody to you than to
Speaker 1: be involved in a murder plot with the money, you know,
Speaker 1: that comes a pretty strong bond at the end of
Speaker 1: that stuff. So about John Spath, he told me the
Speaker 1: story about Dan coming down to see him on the
Speaker 1: weekend of the murders. It was Sunday, late afternoon, early evening,
Speaker 1: and he said he really wanted to see him and
Speaker 1: Brittany and her mom were up in San Francisco. They
Speaker 1: were auditioning for American Idols. So John was on his
Speaker 1: own down in their townhouse in Ladera Ranch, and so
Speaker 1: he said, sure, come on down, We'll grill some steaks
Speaker 1: and have some stogies. And Dan came down and and
Speaker 1: really opened up and said to him that he admired
Speaker 1: John so much because he stood up for his family,
Speaker 1: He protected his family. He you know, didn't let anybody
Speaker 1: give him any ship, and he just thought of him
Speaker 1: like a role model that he would have loved to
Speaker 1: have been, but he wasn't because he said his whole life,
Speaker 1: women min populated him, controlled him, and he didn't have
Speaker 1: the power to confront them or stand up to them.
Speaker 1: And he was questioning, Yeah, he was questioning with John,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm I'm making the right choice
Speaker 1: by marrying Rachel. I'm wondering. I'm worried I'm making a mistake.
Speaker 1: So I was like, you know, that was in essence
Speaker 1: sort of like a confession to you John, because he
Speaker 1: had killed these these people, these you know, Sam Harry
Speaker 1: and Julie Kabushi, with the idea that he was going
Speaker 1: to get Sam's money and and take care of Rachel
Speaker 1: and you know, bring her on this wonderful cruise and
Speaker 1: she wouldn't have to you know, steal anymore or do
Speaker 1: porn or whatever else. And he's going, I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is the right girl for me. But I
Speaker 1: really felt that that was a very telling statement. That's fascinating, fascinating.
Speaker 1: I don't, like I said about Dan, I don't think
Speaker 1: from I knew people who knew him and worked with
Speaker 1: him in the little theater shows and stuff. I don't
Speaker 1: think this ever would have happened without her. I don't
Speaker 1: think he ever would have done anything. I think she
Speaker 1: is capable of manipulating a weak person into doing just
Speaker 1: about anything. So do you have any doubt that she
Speaker 1: was involved in the planning and execution of these murders? Well,
Speaker 1: like I said, I would say, I'm positive that she did.
Speaker 1: The one percent hesitation I have is that he has
Speaker 1: never said, although you just said he said it to
Speaker 1: a jail house informant, that she wasn't on the planning
Speaker 1: right Jesus, So no. So now I guess I'm a
Speaker 1: d pretent sure, because my one percent hesitation is always
Speaker 1: why doesn't he roll over? On her. He's in jail
Speaker 1: with the death sentence. Why doesn't he jail? By the
Speaker 1: way she helped me do it. I mean, as far
Speaker 1: as anyone knows, she's abandoned him now. She said she
Speaker 1: flipped them off at the last meeting and walked down.
Speaker 1: I keep thinking, why wouldn't he But if he, if
Speaker 1: he did, if he's already admitted it from John House
Speaker 1: and said no, I have have zero doubt because that
Speaker 1: was my only doubt. And I think a lot of
Speaker 1: not coming forward and rolling over on Rachel has to
Speaker 1: do with protecting his brother. Tim wasn't act well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but speaking of a yes, could you? I think that
Speaker 1: one of the sole friends that Rachel had up until
Speaker 1: recently was a woman by the name of Shana Adler. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Shana briefly a little bit. She um it was supposedly
Speaker 1: a horse person and that's like my my passionate life.
Speaker 1: So um, forget how it came about, but she ended
Speaker 1: up she wanted to give riding lessons or horse trading
Speaker 1: lessons or something, so somehow she ended up with a
Speaker 1: horse and she came out here out to act. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if we rode horses or she's got
Speaker 1: and visited the horses. But the next day, now she's
Speaker 1: got a horse and she's moving it out here to
Speaker 1: the place where our bird board my horses, and she's
Speaker 1: going to start up this business and she's starting her
Speaker 1: website and she's gonna do all the stuff with the horses.
Speaker 1: And so I got to know where a little bit
Speaker 1: through all that, and then I don't remember what turned
Speaker 1: it all around, but she's speaking of narcissists. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's one of those people where you have a conversation
Speaker 1: and you can say she can say, um, you know,
Speaker 1: I had to really get breakfast this morning and say,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I had just get breakfast. My father died.
Speaker 1: She said, oh, well I had eggs, and she's it's bizarre.
Speaker 1: It's just a bizarre narcissism. But at one point I
Speaker 1: thought maybe she can get her to stop drinking. And
Speaker 1: I talked to her about it and it was like,
Speaker 1: she's an adult, she does what she wants. And I said,
Speaker 1: well this is you know, still I'm still thinking she's
Speaker 1: this innocent thing. I said, just a poor girl. She's
Speaker 1: after all she's been through and all that, and she
Speaker 1: kind of chuckled and said don't let her fool you.
Speaker 1: She says, what is She's just responsible for what happened
Speaker 1: as anybody, And that blew me away. This is like
Speaker 1: her her best friend, and she said it to you
Speaker 1: so nonchalantly like that, like like she she was convinced
Speaker 1: of it. She knew, she knew Rachel was just as responsible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what she said. And she told me stories about
Speaker 1: how what you said, we're called Taco Tuesdays. You know
Speaker 1: that the drug induced parties there, and I guess her
Speaker 1: boyfriend at the time or whatever was going over there
Speaker 1: and she forbid him to go over. That place is
Speaker 1: crazy now with its sex and drugs, and you can't
Speaker 1: go over it anymore. So, Yeah, she knew what was
Speaker 1: going on, and that stuck in my head. That may
Speaker 1: have been the turning point when I started to look
Speaker 1: at this differently, wonder what more there was to it,
Speaker 1: because her best friends said, don't let her food you.
Speaker 1: She's just as responsible as anybody for what happened. Did
Speaker 1: Shana elaborate on why she felt that way about Rachel. No,
Speaker 1: And I tried to get her too elaborator, because there
Speaker 1: are many different interpretations of that She's just as responsible
Speaker 1: because she was stupid and didn't know what was going on.
Speaker 1: That could be one. She's just as responsible because she
Speaker 1: knew what was going on but didn't stop it. She's
Speaker 1: just as responsible because she helped do it. Who knows
Speaker 1: what she meant by that, right, she didn't say. She
Speaker 1: didn't say Rachel was part of it, or Rachel did
Speaker 1: it or anything like that. She said she's just as
Speaker 1: responsible as anybody for what happened. But the fact that
Speaker 1: she said that, don't fool yourself, I mean that was
Speaker 1: the start of that. Right, don't kid yourself basically, right
Speaker 1: that that sort of that sort of suggests that I
Speaker 1: know you probably are going along thinking she's this innocent victim,
Speaker 1: but be careful, m M exactly. And Rachel was excited
Speaker 1: because she introduced her to the guys she was going
Speaker 1: to marry or something like that. So I don't know
Speaker 1: whatever became of all that, But I don't really care.
Speaker 1: What's gonna happen is gonna happen. I mean that everybody
Speaker 1: knows what happened as a matter of proving it, and
Speaker 1: I don't think they can until he rolls over, you
Speaker 1: know that would do it. Well, hopefully you know what
Speaker 1: we share on this podcast, and what others learned from
Speaker 1: guests like you that are willing to participate and share
Speaker 1: their stories. Hopefully people can start connecting the dots and
Speaker 1: maybe have a better sense of what really happened to
Speaker 1: Sam and Julie and where Rachel's role is in the
Speaker 1: planning and exit usion of these tragic murders. If nothing else,
Speaker 1: it will certainly make it easier or harder for her
Speaker 1: to do it to someone else, To manipulate someone like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, when when it's pretty must public knowledge who
Speaker 1: and what she is, I think it would be harder
Speaker 1: for her to pull it off, because again, she's really
Speaker 1: good at it up to a point. That's just a
Speaker 1: fact that when a man looks at a pretty woman,
Speaker 1: he wants to think the best. Well, there's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: There's ulterior motives to to that thought process. That's what
Speaker 1: I mean. He wants to think, Oh, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be great, this is wonderful. Men forget to use the
Speaker 1: head on top of their shoulders sometimes, well, all the
Speaker 1: blood rushes from your brain to other parts of your body. Well,
Speaker 1: and you know she's also told people that you know,
Speaker 1: she'll be damned if she takes a deal or cops
Speaker 1: to a misdemeanor because he wants her book and movie.
Speaker 1: You know that they're all calling her an actress and
Speaker 1: and oh my god, she knows that she's got a
Speaker 1: famous future, but quite frankly, I think that it's more
Speaker 1: like an infamous future at best. Well, Tommy Harding finally
Speaker 1: got her movie. There you go a lot of good.
Speaker 1: What would that say about our six society? Yes? Yes,
Speaker 1: And I covered that story by the way that the
Speaker 1: Toy Hardy story met her and talked to the FBI
Speaker 1: and how much they had on her. Boy, when I
Speaker 1: was watching that movie, I just kept barking at the screen.
Speaker 1: That's a lot that's not true. Well, Scott, I'm so
Speaker 1: grateful you called in because these stories are all important.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just like little nuggets, little pieces of
Speaker 1: the puzzle that really helped shape the full picture. And
Speaker 1: I thank you so much for making the effort to call.
Speaker 1: Thank you because you're the one taking all the puzzle
Speaker 1: pieces and putting them all together and the spectacular what
Speaker 1: you're doing to give people a clear picture of it.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Scott. Okay, ma'am, have a good day.
Speaker 1: You too right. Next week on Sleuth, you'll hear from
Speaker 1: another close inner circle friend of Rachel and Dan's, and
Speaker 1: who we felt could have been an excellent potential state
Speaker 1: witness for Rachel's trial. Audrey McVeigh was their third wheel
Speaker 1: for most of the time Rachel and Dan were an
Speaker 1: item up until the week before the murders. What was
Speaker 1: it that she sensed that made her realize it was
Speaker 1: time to check out? Audrey McVeigh sits down exclusively with
Speaker 1: Sleuth as she recounts chilling stories of the infamous couple
Speaker 1: who Audrey at one time considered her dearest friends. If
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