1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: Please be advised this story contains adult content and graphic language. 2 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Sleuth. I'm Linda Sawyer. In this episode, 3 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: we feature part two of our interview with Rachel Buffett's 4 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: ex boyfriend, Scott Arrett. With so many stories filling his 5 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: years with Rachel, Scott called in after leaving our studio 6 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: to share a few additional memories he candidly revealed for 7 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: our listeners. Hello, Hello, how are you. It's Linda Sawyer 8 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: here from Sleuth. Hey. I just wanted to mention a 9 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: few things that I've It's just a couple of things 10 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 1: I forgot to talk about because I think they're important. 11 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: Go right ahead. Well, we didn't talk about how I 12 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: met Rachel's parents, which is a bizarre story all in itself. Um, 13 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: I don't if you want to know better than of course. Um, 14 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: it was pretty early on when we were seeing each other, 15 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: and I mean, I don't remember why, but for some reason, 16 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: meeting all times, it got me a hotel room right 17 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: across from the cancel down there to spend the night, 18 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: which they would do occasionally if I was doing something 19 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: like marketing it or something for them. And she got 20 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: all excited because we're staying in a nice hotel room 21 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: or blah blah blah. So she wasn't working that night, 22 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: and I was doing the show and I was looking 23 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: forward to getting out the show, and she was in 24 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: the room over there, or at the pool or whatever, 25 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: having a good time. I got out of the show 26 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: over and she's not there. And there are all these 27 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: text messages on my phone about how she went up 28 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: to seeing karaoke and it was with I think we 29 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: talked about that girl at the Castle that she just 30 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: glommed onto her and brought her into her circle. And 31 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: this is this poor girl had no clue about life 32 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: or what was going on next Sally, you know, she's 33 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: going to parties and showing off her boots for a 34 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: twenty bill because Rachel enjoyed doing that to her. So 35 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: she's with her. And she liked to exert power over 36 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: men and women, is what you're saying. Oh yeah, any 37 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: control she can have over anybody, and especially it was 38 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: to get them to do things that are bizarre that 39 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: they wouldn't normally do because then she wins. She got 40 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: them to do that. So that's all part of the 41 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: manipulation thing that she loved to do. So much. So anyway, 42 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: she um, there were texts on my phone, and there 43 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: were a lot of them, and they were slowly Obviously 44 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: she was getting pretty drunk from the text so I 45 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: tried calling her, I can get a hold of her. 46 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: Finally get I think I got a hold of her, 47 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: and she couldn't tell me where she was. And she 48 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: was with this girl from the Castle and Dave Barnhardt, 49 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: one of the circle of the Taco Tuesday people, you know, um, 50 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: and they're singing karaoke somewhere and she's trying to tell 51 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: where she is. She wants me to come singing. You know, 52 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: I don't know where you are. I don't want to 53 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: go to a bar, but I'm gonna come get you 54 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: because you sound like you wasted. So she finally she 55 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: hands the phone to this other girl and she's kind 56 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: of telling me she doesn't know the name of the 57 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: you know, she's the neighbor of the place, but she 58 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: can tell me exactly where it was. So I'm trying 59 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: to GPS by the name of the place, and to 60 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: make a long story short, I finally got there and 61 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: found the place and it's this seedy little dive bar 62 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: and I walk in and they're all sitting at a 63 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: table and there's some girl I don't know, there's the 64 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: girl from the castle, there's Rachel, and there's Dave and 65 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: Rachel is he's sitting in like a tall at one 66 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: of those tall tables and he sit on like stools, 67 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: and so he's sitting on the tall stool and she's 68 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: kind of like between his legs with her head on 69 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: his chest, and he's playing with her ass and she's 70 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: basically passed out. So I went up and said, okay, 71 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to take her home now, and he got 72 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: pretty belligerent. He's still sitting there, and I said, no, 73 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: she's she's going home now. And I looked at her 74 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: and I said you have to go home now, and 75 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: she's kind of incoherently saying yeah, yeah, whatever. And I 76 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: said you want to go home and she said yes, 77 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: So okay, so I'm taking her home now, and he 78 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: got really kind of I forget, but he reached out 79 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: and I don't know if he pushed me or put 80 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: his arm on me or something, and I basically said, 81 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: if you touched me again, I'll rip your arm off 82 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: and beat you over the head with it. Um So 83 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: he was like territorial like a boyfriend. Oh yeah, yeah, 84 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: And so he yells for for security to come over, 85 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: and the bar security comes over. This is what's going on. 86 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: I said, this girl is extraordinarily drunk. Is this bar 87 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: going to keep serving your alcohol? He said, you no, no, 88 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: it's great that I'm taking her home. So they've kind 89 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: of backed off because security was there and said to 90 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: take her home. So I got I took her out 91 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: of the place, and we get out to the parking 92 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: lot and I don't know, cool air or something. She 93 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: came around a little bit and she's kind of sitting 94 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: there in the parking lot and she starts crying, and 95 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: she says, I just can't get away from these people. 96 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: And I realized I didn't realize then. I realized now 97 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: working back at it, that it's whoever she's with at 98 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: the moment that's the manipulation game she's playing. So with him, 99 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: she's playing one game when I showed him take her out. 100 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, she's trying to me, I 101 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: can't get away from the It's not like a kidnapped her, 102 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: you know, she can't get away from these people. What 103 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: the hell does that mean? But at the time. It 104 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: was still early on and I'm still thinking this Port 105 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: girl was so confused and messed up from all this. 106 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: But she's so drunk. So I said, I'm taking you home, 107 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: and she's like, okay, But it didn't mean home to 108 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: my place, because as much as the story may sound 109 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: like I'm I'm a real creepy um, that's not what 110 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: I was. Gonna take her home to her home, which 111 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: is the flop house. Work able to have conjugal visits 112 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: with someone that's conscious, yeah, yeah, it would be better 113 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: if she was conscious. Yeah, So I get her in 114 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: the car and she passes up, but in the vaccine 115 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 1: she passed out. I don't know where she lives. I 116 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: now it's in Long Beach, So I'm driving toward a 117 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: Long Beach and I keep reaching over the season like 118 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: she's as rachels, you have to tell me where you live, 119 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: and eventually she kind of mumbled out the address, and 120 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: somehow I've found it. I don't remember exactly, but I 121 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: get there and it's this weird little warehouse that they've 122 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: converted to live in, which is her and her mother 123 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: and her father and her two older brothers and her 124 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 1: younger sister and her younger brother are all living in 125 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: this little weird converted warehouse and it's like a one 126 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: bedroom warehouse. I lost, like I was told. Yeah, yeah, 127 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: so it's like Mother Hubbard and the Shoe. It really is. 128 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: I mean, they're living it's I hadn't been in it yet, 129 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: so I didn't know at that point, but it's it's 130 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: a bizarre living arrangement. It's bizarre. So I get her 131 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: as she's saying no, no, no, and no, you're you're 132 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: going home. So I take her out. I'm pounding on 133 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: the door. Nobody's answering at the back door, so I 134 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: go around to the front door, which is this weird 135 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 1: you know, opaque glass. It used to be like a 136 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: storefront or a warehouse or something. Right, they look like 137 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: businesses from the front, right, Yeah. Yeah. Some pounding on 138 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: the front door, and I can hear a TV or 139 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: something on inside, but the kid no one answering the door. 140 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: What time would you say? This is? Oh god, that's 141 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: a good question. Okay, the show would get out at 142 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: tennish eleven twelve. It's probably one o'clock in the morning. 143 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: One o'clock in the morning. Some I keep on. I'm 144 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,559 Speaker 1: finally she like pulls away from me and goes running 145 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: up the street, and I thought, well, okay, how far 146 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: can she go? She can barely work, So I keep 147 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: pounding on the door, and finally I don't remember who 148 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: answered first, but her father's and his boxers, and her 149 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: sister's and a little sleeper and her mother's and like 150 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: a nightgown, and they're all like, what's going on? And 151 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: I said, I brought Rachel homes. She's drunk out of 152 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: her mind and she should be home, and oh, where 153 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: is she? I said, she went running up the street. 154 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: So they come out and we're all trying, and we're 155 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: calling her and we're looking around and she he can't 156 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: find her, So you'll go back to the front of 157 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: the place again. And I'm gonna leave because I'm like, 158 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. I've brought her home. Yeah, 159 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: And at that point her sister says, she's here. She's here, 160 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: So we all go running out of the bag and 161 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: Noah had come home and parked in the back, and 162 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: I guess she saw him from wherever she wasn't running 163 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: over to him, and they're sitting at the base of 164 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: a tree across the street and She's in his lap, 165 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: must like she was in Dave's lab in the bar, 166 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: like the Trina's legs with her head on his chest 167 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: and he's petting her, and she's crying and crying and crying. 168 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: I'm out. I'm going home. Your home now, with your family. 169 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: They have your best interest to her, they'll take care 170 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: of him. It was bizarre. So I left him, went home, 171 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: and the next day she called me and she's very 172 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: apologetic and she needs help getting her car and everything. 173 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,719 Speaker 1: Now why her family couldn't help her, I don't know. 174 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: I don't know, but she needed to help. She need 175 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: to go get her car, and you know, So I 176 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: drove back down to Orange Can and we found her 177 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: car was parked not far from the bar. But she 178 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: never keys, and she says, I think Dave took my 179 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: keys because I was drunk. I said, okay, So she 180 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: wants me to drive her to Dave's place. So it's 181 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: this apartment building. I drive over there and I was 182 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: amazed because she said, I don't want to get the keys. 183 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: I said, okay. She just walked in. There was no knocking, 184 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: there was no she just went over and walked in. 185 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 1: She was in there for a while and she came 186 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: out and she's shaking her head. And when she said, well, 187 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: he wanted me to get in bed with him, what 188 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: what are you talking about? She's about I had to 189 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: tell him just here for the keys because he wanted 190 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: me to get in bed with them. So I had 191 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: to like just placed him to get the keys. I said, 192 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: what do you mean play him? She's well, just talked 193 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: to him. It was okay, So she got her keys. 194 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: And uh so that's a sense of that, like she's 195 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: egging him on a bit. That's maybe she's leading him 196 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: on if he thinks that he has the right to 197 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: ask that. And you saw them in this comp amising 198 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: position when you showed up at the bar. Yeah, it 199 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: sounds like she was teasing him a bit. She was. 200 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: Absolutely She would flirt with him on the phone. He 201 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: would I mean I would be there and he would 202 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: be sending her texts and she would start laughing and 203 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: I'd say, well, what are you sending back? And she said, well, yeah, 204 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: we can go for drinks that I'm not going to 205 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: f you. Why would you even write that because that's 206 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: all he wants, that's really what he wants. I said, 207 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: then why go at all, right, but you know, it 208 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: was weird. It's it's that, it's she gets attention. It's 209 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: part of the manipulation and the and the power. Yeah, 210 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: you know, she's the star of the Little Uh Show, 211 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: you know. So that's that's how I met her parents. 212 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: Do you think that she had a similar dynamic with 213 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: John Randolph? Oh? Absolutely, Yeah. She admitted to making out 214 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: with him on the couch while if Ilet was in 215 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: the kitchen making snacks. Wow. So I thought that was 216 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: a bizarre, she said, but nothing's ever going to happen 217 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: because I don't really like him that way. Okay, it 218 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: was bizarre. Another bizarre. I mean that the whole thing. 219 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 1: You know, the more more stories I heard, the more bizarre. 220 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 1: A god, you know. She stayed with the Randolphs for 221 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: about a month after Dan was arrested, and Violet told 222 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: me that the day she finally threw her out was 223 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: the day Violet came home from work. Because Violet would 224 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: leave for work every day and and the two of 225 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: them would be left behind in the apartment. And I said, 226 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: where did where did Rachel sleep at night? And she 227 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: said in between us and the bed, And I said, 228 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: and that's what she said, I said, I mean you 229 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: were married to John. How did you handle that? I mean, 230 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: that's a that's a long time to have, you know, 231 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: the Disney princess slash potential accomplice, the two murders, I mean, 232 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: sleeping in between you and your husband. How did you 233 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: handle that? And she said, well, you know, John is 234 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: a bit of a narcissist and he pretty much ruled 235 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 1: the rous there and he wanted to basically stand by her. 236 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: He felt that there was this mob type mentality for 237 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: so many of the friends at cam to Martinique that 238 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 1: just completely were convinced she was involved and he was 239 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: going to stand a part. He was the one with 240 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: the highest i Q. And he knew better. So so 241 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: she said, I kind of went along with it until 242 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: the day I came home from work and the bitch 243 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: said to me, you know, your ovens really filthy, And 244 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: she said, you're out of here. I thought that was 245 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: just classic. Yeah, are they still together John and Violent? 246 00:12:52,679 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: No they're not. They're now officially divorced. Yeah, But I mean, 247 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: you have to do this circle of people. It's just 248 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: a bizarre circle of people, you know. I mean, you 249 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: have someone who insists on sleeping in bed between you 250 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: and your husband every night. But the final straw, she 251 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: complains that your own's journey, there's something weird there, There's 252 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: something it's just a weird circle of people. It's like 253 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: the perfect storm all got together at those apartments. And 254 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: I think David Lynch would have a field day at 255 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: Camden Martinique. Yeah, I think. So. It felt like in 256 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 1: many ways you were like a father figure to her. 257 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 1: To Rachel, I think probably in a lot of way. 258 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,719 Speaker 1: I mean, make fun of me and go, oh, what's 259 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: the only day when with father with the daddy complexes, 260 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: um because of the eight events, but um, maybe. But 261 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: she has such a weird dynamic with her own father. 262 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: I mean it's like I love hate relationship. She I 263 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: think she appreciates his bad boy stuff, but at the 264 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: same time, she's very religious, so she's got to hate 265 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: that stuff. But she has absolutely no respect for her mother, 266 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: who's just a just a Jesus freak to the point 267 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: of being like mentally disturbed. So it's it's a yeah, maybe, 268 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, Yeah you did, you 269 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: did sort of expressed to me there was this duality 270 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: that she had emotionally with her dad, because you know, 271 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: one point, she detested him because he spent all of 272 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: their money on prostitutes and gambling. And at the same time, 273 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: like you said, she could relate to that bad boy. 274 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: And you know when you said it just now, it 275 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: made me realize something. She may have hated him for 276 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: spending all the family's money because that affected her. The 277 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: fact that he was doing prostitutes and gambling and having 278 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: an affair and screwing up her whole dad, I think 279 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: she admired. Had he been able to do without bankrupting 280 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: and causing her to move out of that nice house 281 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: into her brother's flophouse, I think she would have been 282 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: okay with it because it bankrupted them and cost her 283 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: that lifestyle. That was the bad part. Not that he's 284 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: doing prostitutes and screwing over her mother, that's okay, But money, 285 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: I mean the money was you know, they had to 286 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: move out of that nice little house by the beach 287 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: and moving to her brother's flop house and had to 288 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: sleep on the couch, And how dare he do that 289 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: to her? That's what he did to the mom. That's 290 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: okay what he did to the mother, But how dare 291 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: be forced her to sleep on the couch in her 292 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: brother's flophouse. That sort of falls in line with what 293 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: Fernando Perez's letter reflected. He was a jail house informant 294 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: that spoke to Dan at length and asked him how 295 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: how much Rachel knew and how involved was she in 296 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: the planning of these murders. And Daniel said to him 297 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: she knew, and not only did she know, but she 298 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: told me to do whatever I had to do to 299 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: make them happy. So it doesn't matter about the behavior 300 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: or the act, or how heinous it might be, as 301 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: long as it impacted her in a positive way. Absolutely, yeah, definitely. 302 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: And the manipulation of Daniel. I never knew him, I've 303 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: never met him at the learning about him really obviously 304 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: a lunatic, but the manipulation. She showed me pictures of 305 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: her in like a bikini or brown panties and stuff, 306 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: and she was she was getting these pictures taken because 307 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: she was telling Daniel he couldn't get the money, then 308 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: she'd get it, and she'd get it by doing porn 309 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: and and and that kind of stuff. And maybe on Craigslist, 310 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: you know, to do a prostitution. That's incredible. If you 311 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: don't get the money for our honeymoon, I'm going to 312 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: do porn. Who wants to marry? That exactly, But they weren't, 313 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,479 Speaker 1: you know, he even that That's that reminds me of 314 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: a of a very telling story that John Spath shared 315 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: with me. And he's Brittany Boudre's stepdad, and Brittany was 316 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: the girlfriend of Daniel before Rachel and she. They also 317 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: Daniel cheated on Rachel while they were engaged with Brittany 318 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: went back to Brittany and they did a sex tape 319 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: and Rachel found it and threatened to leave Daniel, and 320 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: she found it just a few weeks before the murders. 321 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: So I think that's what jump started this whole hideous 322 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: chapter of of their lives. But well, there's no there's 323 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,120 Speaker 1: no better way to bind somebody to you than to 324 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: be involved in a murder plot with the money, you know, 325 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: that comes a pretty strong bond at the end of 326 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: that stuff. So about John Spath, he told me the 327 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: story about Dan coming down to see him on the 328 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: weekend of the murders. It was Sunday, late afternoon, early evening, 329 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: and he said he really wanted to see him and 330 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: Brittany and her mom were up in San Francisco. They 331 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: were auditioning for American Idols. So John was on his 332 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: own down in their townhouse in Ladera Ranch, and so 333 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 1: he said, sure, come on down, We'll grill some steaks 334 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: and have some stogies. And Dan came down and and 335 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: really opened up and said to him that he admired 336 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: John so much because he stood up for his family, 337 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: He protected his family. He you know, didn't let anybody 338 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: give him any ship, and he just thought of him 339 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: like a role model that he would have loved to 340 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 1: have been, but he wasn't because he said his whole life, 341 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: women min populated him, controlled him, and he didn't have 342 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: the power to confront them or stand up to them. 343 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: And he was questioning, Yeah, he was questioning with John, 344 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm I'm making the right choice 345 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: by marrying Rachel. I'm wondering. I'm worried I'm making a mistake. 346 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: So I was like, you know, that was in essence 347 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: sort of like a confession to you John, because he 348 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: had killed these these people, these you know, Sam Harry 349 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: and Julie Kabushi, with the idea that he was going 350 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,959 Speaker 1: to get Sam's money and and take care of Rachel 351 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: and you know, bring her on this wonderful cruise and 352 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: she wouldn't have to you know, steal anymore or do 353 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: porn or whatever else. And he's going, I don't know 354 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: if this is the right girl for me. But I 355 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: really felt that that was a very telling statement. That's fascinating, fascinating. 356 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: I don't, like I said about Dan, I don't think 357 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 1: from I knew people who knew him and worked with 358 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: him in the little theater shows and stuff. I don't 359 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: think this ever would have happened without her. I don't 360 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: think he ever would have done anything. I think she 361 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: is capable of manipulating a weak person into doing just 362 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: about anything. So do you have any doubt that she 363 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: was involved in the planning and execution of these murders? Well, 364 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: like I said, I would say, I'm positive that she did. 365 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: The one percent hesitation I have is that he has 366 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: never said, although you just said he said it to 367 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 1: a jail house informant, that she wasn't on the planning 368 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: right Jesus, So no. So now I guess I'm a 369 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: d pretent sure, because my one percent hesitation is always 370 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: why doesn't he roll over? On her. He's in jail 371 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: with the death sentence. Why doesn't he jail? By the 372 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: way she helped me do it. I mean, as far 373 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: as anyone knows, she's abandoned him now. She said she 374 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: flipped them off at the last meeting and walked down. 375 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: I keep thinking, why wouldn't he But if he, if 376 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: he did, if he's already admitted it from John House 377 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: and said no, I have have zero doubt because that 378 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: was my only doubt. And I think a lot of 379 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: not coming forward and rolling over on Rachel has to 380 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: do with protecting his brother. Tim wasn't act well. Yeah, 381 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 1: but speaking of a yes, could you? I think that 382 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: one of the sole friends that Rachel had up until 383 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: recently was a woman by the name of Shana Adler. Yeah, yeah, 384 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: Shana briefly a little bit. She um it was supposedly 385 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: a horse person and that's like my my passionate life. 386 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: So um, forget how it came about, but she ended 387 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: up she wanted to give riding lessons or horse trading 388 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: lessons or something, so somehow she ended up with a 389 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: horse and she came out here out to act. And 390 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:14,959 Speaker 1: I don't know if we rode horses or she's got 391 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: and visited the horses. But the next day, now she's 392 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: got a horse and she's moving it out here to 393 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: the place where our bird board my horses, and she's 394 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: going to start up this business and she's starting her 395 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: website and she's gonna do all the stuff with the horses. 396 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,719 Speaker 1: And so I got to know where a little bit 397 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: through all that, and then I don't remember what turned 398 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 1: it all around, but she's speaking of narcissists. I mean, 399 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: she's one of those people where you have a conversation 400 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: and you can say she can say, um, you know, 401 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: I had to really get breakfast this morning and say, 402 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I had just get breakfast. My father died. 403 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: She said, oh, well I had eggs, and she's it's bizarre. 404 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 1: It's just a bizarre narcissism. But at one point I 405 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: thought maybe she can get her to stop drinking. And 406 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: I talked to her about it and it was like, 407 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 1: she's an adult, she does what she wants. And I said, 408 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: well this is you know, still I'm still thinking she's 409 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: this innocent thing. I said, just a poor girl. She's 410 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: after all she's been through and all that, and she 411 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: kind of chuckled and said don't let her fool you. 412 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: She says, what is She's just responsible for what happened 413 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:27,239 Speaker 1: as anybody, And that blew me away. This is like 414 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: her her best friend, and she said it to you 415 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: so nonchalantly like that, like like she she was convinced 416 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: of it. She knew, she knew Rachel was just as responsible. Yeah, 417 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: that's what she said. And she told me stories about 418 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: how what you said, we're called Taco Tuesdays. You know 419 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: that the drug induced parties there, and I guess her 420 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: boyfriend at the time or whatever was going over there 421 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: and she forbid him to go over. That place is 422 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: crazy now with its sex and drugs, and you can't 423 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: go over it anymore. So, Yeah, she knew what was 424 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: going on, and that stuck in my head. That may 425 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: have been the turning point when I started to look 426 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 1: at this differently, wonder what more there was to it, 427 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: because her best friends said, don't let her food you. 428 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: She's just as responsible as anybody for what happened. Did 429 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: Shana elaborate on why she felt that way about Rachel. No, 430 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: And I tried to get her too elaborator, because there 431 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: are many different interpretations of that She's just as responsible 432 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 1: because she was stupid and didn't know what was going on. 433 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: That could be one. She's just as responsible because she 434 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: knew what was going on but didn't stop it. She's 435 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: just as responsible because she helped do it. Who knows 436 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: what she meant by that, right, she didn't say. She 437 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: didn't say Rachel was part of it, or Rachel did 438 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: it or anything like that. She said she's just as 439 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: responsible as anybody for what happened. But the fact that 440 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: she said that, don't fool yourself, I mean that was 441 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: the start of that. Right, don't kid yourself basically, right 442 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: that that sort of that sort of suggests that I 443 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: know you probably are going along thinking she's this innocent victim, 444 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: but be careful, m M exactly. And Rachel was excited 445 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: because she introduced her to the guys she was going 446 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: to marry or something like that. So I don't know 447 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: whatever became of all that, But I don't really care. 448 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: What's gonna happen is gonna happen. I mean that everybody 449 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: knows what happened as a matter of proving it, and 450 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: I don't think they can until he rolls over, you 451 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: know that would do it. Well, hopefully you know what 452 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: we share on this podcast, and what others learned from 453 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: guests like you that are willing to participate and share 454 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: their stories. Hopefully people can start connecting the dots and 455 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: maybe have a better sense of what really happened to 456 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: Sam and Julie and where Rachel's role is in the 457 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: planning and exit usion of these tragic murders. If nothing else, 458 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: it will certainly make it easier or harder for her 459 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: to do it to someone else, To manipulate someone like that. 460 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: I mean, when when it's pretty must public knowledge who 461 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: and what she is, I think it would be harder 462 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: for her to pull it off, because again, she's really 463 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 1: good at it up to a point. That's just a 464 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: fact that when a man looks at a pretty woman, 465 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: he wants to think the best. Well, there's what I'm saying. 466 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: There's ulterior motives to to that thought process. That's what 467 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: I mean. He wants to think, Oh, this is gonna 468 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: be great, this is wonderful. Men forget to use the 469 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: head on top of their shoulders sometimes, well, all the 470 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: blood rushes from your brain to other parts of your body. Well, 471 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: and you know she's also told people that you know, 472 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: she'll be damned if she takes a deal or cops 473 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: to a misdemeanor because he wants her book and movie. 474 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: You know that they're all calling her an actress and 475 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: and oh my god, she knows that she's got a 476 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: famous future, but quite frankly, I think that it's more 477 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: like an infamous future at best. Well, Tommy Harding finally 478 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: got her movie. There you go a lot of good. 479 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: What would that say about our six society? Yes? Yes, 480 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: And I covered that story by the way that the 481 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 1: Toy Hardy story met her and talked to the FBI 482 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 1: and how much they had on her. Boy, when I 483 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,719 Speaker 1: was watching that movie, I just kept barking at the screen. 484 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:47,239 Speaker 1: That's a lot that's not true. Well, Scott, I'm so 485 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: grateful you called in because these stories are all important. 486 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: You know, it's just like little nuggets, little pieces of 487 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: the puzzle that really helped shape the full picture. And 488 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: I thank you so much for making the effort to call. 489 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: Thank you because you're the one taking all the puzzle 490 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: pieces and putting them all together and the spectacular what 491 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: you're doing to give people a clear picture of it. 492 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Scott. Okay, ma'am, have a good day. 493 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: You too right. Next week on Sleuth, you'll hear from 494 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: another close inner circle friend of Rachel and Dan's, and 495 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: who we felt could have been an excellent potential state 496 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: witness for Rachel's trial. Audrey McVeigh was their third wheel 497 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: for most of the time Rachel and Dan were an 498 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: item up until the week before the murders. What was 499 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: it that she sensed that made her realize it was 500 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: time to check out? Audrey McVeigh sits down exclusively with 501 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: Sleuth as she recounts chilling stories of the infamous couple 502 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: who Audrey at one time considered her dearest friends. 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