1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: M your tunes about Drive on Home of the Black 2 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. Yeah, okay, welcome back to 3 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: the Drive. I'm dl Lolly here with Matt Williamson and Matt. 4 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: Alex Smith officially retired today. I was listening to a 5 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: show on the Drive and I can't remember if it's 6 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: the National Show, but they were talking about the two 7 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: thousand five quarterback draft. That was a year I was 8 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: in the war room with the Brownies and they said, well, 9 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: that draft was a disappointment. That draft wasn't uh, And 10 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: they started taking off some names in there. I'm like, 11 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: that's not a bad quarterback draft. May Rogers all type great, 12 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: Alex Smith last just just retired you less than fifteen 13 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: years in the NFL. I mean, as first overall picks go, 14 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: he was fine. Yeah, I mean, that wasn't a disappointment 15 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: or a terrible pick or you know, he was a boss. 16 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: He's not JaMarcus Russell, right, Aaron Rodgers is a Hall 17 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: of Famer. Jason Campbell with I mean, that's not great, 18 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: but he played Charlie Fry. Then you had and in 19 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: the third round. Then you had Andrew Walter in the 20 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: third rounds. Yeah, then you had David Green in the 21 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: third round to the Seahawks. Okay, Kyle Wharton in the 22 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: fourth round. However, that's not bad. That's a hit. That's 23 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: the fourth round quarterback right played for a long time, 24 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: Stefan the Four's went in the fourth round to the Panthers. 25 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: Dan Orlovski in the fifth round of the Lions. Um, 26 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: this is a quarterback picks go. They don't usually come 27 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: in and star. There's some better picks here at the 28 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: end of this though. Uh, Adrian McPherson in the fifth 29 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: round was not one of them. He was an athlete. Yeah. 30 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: But Derrick Anderson in the sixth round of the Ravens, 31 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: yeah right, right went to a Pro Bowl. Yeah, he 32 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: won some games. I mean, if every sixth round quarterback 33 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 1: worked out like him, yeah, they don't work out like 34 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: Tom Brady. Yeah. Um. Then it was James Killen in 35 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: the seventh round to the Chiefs. Matt Castle in the 36 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: seventh round of the Patriots, A hit, I mean lasted 37 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: ten some years, right. And then the last quarterback taken 38 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: that year was Ryan Fitzpatrick in the seventh round in 39 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: the draft. That's a good quarterback draft. He was the 40 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: third best quarterback in the class you got. You got 41 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: five or six guys there who started one of the 42 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: one of the best ever, yeah right, right, who started 43 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: several years in the league. That's a good quarterback draft. 44 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: Say that's a usual one. I mean Aaron Rodgers. There's 45 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: nothing usual about about Aaron Rodgers. Don't get me long. 46 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: But in terms of quality of what you get out 47 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: of the class in general, that's a pretty average class, 48 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: I'd say, you know, I mean, it doesn't compare if 49 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: you're going to compare it to the two thousand four, No, 50 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: it's not a good quarterback draft class. But let's compare 51 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: it to two thousand six the year after this. This 52 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: is a bad quarterback draft. Vince Young goes third over. Boy, 53 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: he came out ten years too early. Poor guy. Matt 54 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: Leiner goes tenth, ouch uh J Cutler eleven and those three. 55 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: I mean, Cutler is another one that's made a better 56 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: career than Campbell. You know, Cutler would be third on 57 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: that list last you know, the year before he he 58 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: was Okay, he's just kind of UNLIKABLEU. Kellen Clemens in 59 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,119 Speaker 1: the second round, Yeah, not good. I think we talked 60 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: about this last week that the picks when you pick 61 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: from fifteen to seventy five, you do not have a 62 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: high It's not a big hit right now. That's what 63 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: makes that draft in two thousand five, where you get 64 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: in the fifth, in the seventh or sixth round on 65 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: Anderson can So Fitzpatrick, that's pretty nice. That's a that's 66 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: a pretty good hit. Guys played a lot of collectively, 67 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: or you know, we played a lot of years. Um 68 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: So after Clemens also in the second round, most Devas 69 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: Jackson to the Vikings. He played, but well, uh in 70 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: the third round, Charlie Whitehurst to the Chargers. Yeah, the 71 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: bounced around a little bit. Brodie Croyle in the third 72 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: round of the Chiefs. Ingle Martin to the Packers in 73 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: the fifth round. The year after they took um Omar 74 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: Jacobs in the fifth round of the Steelers. I didn't 75 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: realize green Bay had far drafted Rogers and then took 76 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: a quarterback. Quarterback. He was a fifth round pick, but 77 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: still it's a fifth and they still had far from 78 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,679 Speaker 1: building Omar Jacobs in the fifth round of the Steelers 79 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: the two years after they took that didn't work. Roethlisberger 80 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: Reggie McNeil to the Bengals in the sixth round. Another 81 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: athlete type, Bruce Gridkowski in the sixth round to the 82 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: Buccaneer hit yeah for six for six last a long time. Uh. 83 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: And then DJ Shockley to the Falcons in the in 84 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: the seventh round. So that's a bad draft class, I mean, 85 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: not let alone. The Rogers beat him by itself. Yeah, yeah, 86 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,559 Speaker 1: you know. Oh seven, do you want to talk about 87 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: bad quarterback drafts? JaMarcus Russell number one overall. That might 88 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: be the worst pick in NFL. It's right there. It's 89 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: a number one overall, right, Brady Quinn at twenty two, 90 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: and Calvin Johnson was the second pick. Brady Quinn Kevin 91 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: Cobb in the fourth pick of the second round. John 92 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: Beck to the Dolphins with the eighth pick of the 93 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: second round. A good quarterback coach. Now, Drew Stanton might 94 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: be the best guy of this group, and he went 95 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: in the second round with the eleventh pick at forty three. 96 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: He's not an NFL starter. Trent Edwards at the third 97 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: round at Isaiah stand Back in the fourth round at 98 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: one oh three. Boy, that's a rough years. Jeff row 99 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: in the fifth round at pick one one, hit yet 100 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: no Troy Smith in the fifth round at one either 101 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: Jordan Palmer it picked two oh five to the red 102 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: Skins is the quarterback coach draft. Yeah, and then Tyler 103 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: Tyler Thigpen in the seventh round to seventeen. He won 104 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: me a fantasy league one year because I picked him 105 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: up like in a week eleven after my guy got 106 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: hurt and he ran around and what the pistol was 107 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: and but he wasn't antiful quarterback. That's that's an awful 108 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: quarter awful draft. That's bad. Two thousand five draft is 109 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: five times better than that. Oh yeah, I mean they 110 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: have four or five starters and a huge hit. That 111 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: just brings me to this. You know, when you when 112 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: you start looking at this quarterback draft and they're going 113 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: to be five, maybe six taken. There's going in the 114 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: first two days of the draft. I think it's safe 115 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: to say they'll be six or seven quarterbacks taken. Yeah, 116 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: what are you getting? What are you getting? I don't know. 117 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: I mean we were One thing we did on the 118 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: podcast recently was they asked us to take the last 119 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: four classes that doesn't include to my homes class, and 120 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: they said, please rank them as best you can with 121 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: how you remembered them going into the draft, and I 122 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: was really low on Josh Allen. You know, I had 123 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: him like fifteen. I was pretty high on Rosen. I 124 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: had Haskins sort of hive, I mean, you know, higher 125 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: than Josh Allen. But you know, I had a lot 126 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: of these guys in this class higher than I tried 127 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: to be as honest as I as I could be. 128 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: It was a hard exercise to do. But boy, I mean, 129 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: the hit rates is rough, and to be honest, and 130 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: a lot of these and we had a lot of 131 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: first round quarterbacks lately too. You know that that Mayfield 132 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: class had five with including Lamar at the end of 133 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: the first round. We're gonna have five this year. And 134 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys coming into the league. Well 135 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: just look at the two thousand sixteen draft. Okay, they 136 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: were four quarters or three quarterbacks taken in the first 137 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: round that year. Jared Goff already been traded, Carson Wentz 138 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: already been traded. Those were one and two. Both those 139 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: teams traded up. People forget because it happened well before 140 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: the draft. The Rams and Eagles traded up big to 141 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: get in those new spots. Those weren't the original draft spots. 142 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: Paxton Lynch went twenty six overall that year. He's been 143 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: through three teams. He's not in the league. Christian Hackenburg 144 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: at fifty one. Yeah, that's really rough. I mean that's awful. 145 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: Crowby Brissette is probably the best. Well, Dak Prescott was 146 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: in that draft, but Brissett's but he was the second 147 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: round pick. Uh yeah, the third, the third round pick, 148 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: ninety first overall. Cody Kessler at three. He's played a little, 149 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: but I don't think he's in the league anymore. Connor 150 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: Cook at a hundred uh, Dak Prescott at one thirty five, yeah, uh, 151 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: four picks later, the bill still Cardel Jones. Yeah. People 152 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: were excited about that and he never did anything. Kevin 153 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: Hogan at won sixty two to the Chiefs, um Nate 154 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: Sudfeld seven in the sixth round to Washington. Late round 155 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 1: quarterbacks are Jake Ruddick to the Lions, Brandon Allen to 156 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: a one to the Jaguars, And he's played a little, 157 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: but he's on his like a seventh he's on like 158 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: a seventh team. Jeff Driscoll to the forty niners at 159 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: two oh seven. He's bounced around and then Brandon Doughty. Yeah, okay, 160 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: I mean Goffin Wentz. The book isn't shut. But if 161 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: we're drafting quarterbacks from overall, right right, and you've already 162 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: moved on from them, you've already moved on from And 163 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 1: Wentz had an exceptional season. Goff's been to the super Bowl. 164 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: They both had, But I mean both of those teams 165 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: went to super Bowls, but Wentz was a big reason 166 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: they went. But man, if we were picking quarterbacks from 167 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: scratch right now, they wouldn't be early picks. No, not 168 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: at all, you know what I mean, Like I would, 169 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: I would definitely rather roll the dice on all five 170 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks than golf. Yeah, if I'm starting a 171 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: team right now, and I don't of Mac Jones, I mean, 172 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: everybody wants to talk about these these day two and 173 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: day three quarterbacks. To go back to what I think 174 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: you did a thing on this from fifteen seventy five 175 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: is a waste land. It's a waste of Lar Jackson, 176 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: it's Derek Carr and like the last ten years, it's 177 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: a waste land because I mean, the logic is, if 178 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: you're good enough to start, you're gonna go into top ten. 179 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: Whether you're a top ten player or not. Daniel Jones 180 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: goes in the top ten, but he a great prospect. No, 181 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: but if someone has a starting grade on them, they're 182 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: not gonna wait till the end of the first round. 183 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 1: They're gonna take him. And it's it's the Brady argument. 184 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: You know, the Patriots had known Tom Brady was gonna 185 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: be Tom Brady. They're not waiting till the sixth round 186 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: to take him. Ridiculous with Dak Prescott, I mean, what's 187 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: funny about the Dak Prescott draft you just mentioned By 188 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: all accounts they were they wanted Paxston Lynch. Yeah, I 189 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: mean that was the guy they absolutely wanted, and I 190 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: think he went to pick before or whatever, you know, 191 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 1: to Denver or they would never take him back. Let's 192 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 1: look at it from two thousand and we'll start with 193 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: two thousand nine. So the fifteenth pick in the draft 194 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: that year was Dwayne Haskins. That's the best. Drew Lock 195 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: went at forty two. Those are your two quarterbacks here. 196 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: Then after that, she had Will Greer, Ryan Finley, Jared Stidham, 197 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: Easton Stick, Clayton Thorson, Gardner Minshew at one seventy eight. 198 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: Well they're already moving on from you know, you could 199 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: say he's a hit, he's a hit, but I mean 200 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: I think he might have a Fitzpatrick like career, right, 201 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: he might be her best best if he's lucky, If 202 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: he's lucky. Yeah, if those other names, Stidham is the 203 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: only one I'd even take a shot on. And then 204 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: Trace McSorley, he's yeah. Team, we saw four quarterbacks go 205 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: in the top ten. Then you saw Lamar Jackson go 206 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: att Mason Rudolph at seventy six. He's outside, just outside 207 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: your seventy five. Yeah, But then the quarterbacks taken after 208 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph, Kyle Loletta, Mike White, Luke Falk, Tanner Lee, 209 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: Danny Aitling, Alex McGough, and Logan Woodside. What's really interesting 210 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: to me when it falls off quickly those two draft classes. 211 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: I mean, that wasn't that long ago. Most of those 212 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,719 Speaker 1: guys we mentioned out of the league. I mean, the 213 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 1: fact that rudolphs in the league is a leg up 214 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: over most of those third round and later guys. He 215 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: started more games than the guys behind him combined, I'm sure, 216 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: and played more snaps. Yeah, and it's not even close. 217 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: And he's and he's also started more games and played 218 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: more snaps, and some of the guys ahead of him, 219 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: Josh Rosen's, he's done, Tam, I think right right seventeen. 220 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: It's amazing those guys aren't in the league for two. 221 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: I mean youngen DeShawn Watson was taken at twelve. Yeah, 222 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: and then and then you went all the way to 223 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: fifty two before Deshaun Kaiser was taken and Davis Webb 224 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: was next to seven, which is a bus Yeah. Then 225 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: you had c. J. Bethar, Josh Dobbs, Nathan Peterman, Brad Kaya, 226 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: Chad Kelly Man, a lot of swings, and Mrs are 227 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: uh In comes around one every ten years. Yeah, Brady 228 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: comes around once. Ever. Team was Lynch Hackenburg. We're in that, 229 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: we're in that fifteen seven five. They're not hits, they're 230 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: they're total miss And then and then after Hackenburg was 231 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: Jacobe Brossett. Where was he he was? I mean, you'll 232 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 1: take him. I'll take Jacober's at ninety one every year, 233 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: but that's he's not a starter starter. He's went on 234 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: about three or four teams already. Now to Garrett Grayson, 235 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: when it's seventy five, after Winston and Mariota go one 236 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: and to the next quarterback taking was Garrett Grayson at 237 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: seventy five. Bad couldn't pick him out of the lineup. 238 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: They were only like six quarterbacks taken that year. I 239 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: don't think Grayson's in. It was Sean, Sean Mannion, Bryce Petty, 240 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: Brett Hunley, Trevor Simeon. That's a terrible class. It's awful. 241 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: Winston and Mariota still could be something, but I'm not 242 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: sure their top thirty two quarterbacks right now? Yeah about 243 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: I Meaneen Blake Bortles goes three overall, Johnny Manzel goes 244 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: at twenty two. Teddy Bridgewater at thirty two, Like Man's 245 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: Owen Bridgewater the perfect example of one's a high risk guy, 246 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: one's just a very low game manager. Yeah right, he 247 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: one last the other one didn't. But that's not the answer. 248 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: Nobody's happy they have Teddy Bridgewater. Derek Cargoes at thirty six. 249 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: He's accepted the rule. He's worth it. Garoppolo goes at 250 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: sixty two. Logan Thomas goes at one twenty in that draft. 251 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: He's not a tight end. Yeah, he might go to 252 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl this year. Is a tight end. Tom 253 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: Savage at one five. I guess he had an okay career, 254 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: Aaron Murray at one sixty three, a J. Mccaren at 255 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: one sixty four. Okay, I'm getting something out of a 256 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: little bit. Uh, Zach Mettenberger at one seventy eight. These 257 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: guys are bad. Uh. You had E. J. Manual was 258 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: the top quarter one, number one at sixteen and nobody 259 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: even thought that was gonna happen. That was a surprise. 260 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: Then Gino Smith seven five, Gino Smith went at seventy 261 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: thirty nine, and then Mike Glennon at seventy three. Those 262 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: oh for three and that's the poster boy for that conversation. 263 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: And then the next quarterbacks taking Matt Barkley at Ryan 264 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: the CI but one ten, Tyler Wilson at one twelve, 265 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: Landry Jones at one, Brad Sorensen at one, Zach Diser 266 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: at two thirty four, b J. Daniel to thirty seven, 267 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: Sean Renfree att nine. Wow, just when we thought the 268 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: JaMarcus Russell or maybe Mariotta Winston draft was the worst 269 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: quarterback lass ever, and this one shows that was pretty bad. 270 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: That's really really and there's nothing came out of it. Yeah, 271 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: Andrew Jones has a good career as anyone, maybe better. Yeah, 272 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: fifth round big uh? Two thousand twelve was was Luck Griffin, 273 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: Tanney Hill on the top eight picks, Brandon Weeding at 274 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: twenty two. The Browns love taking those danger zone think 275 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: you I was like year quarterback, year old quarterback at 276 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: twenty two. They all got something big wrong with him 277 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: in that neighborhood, and then they doubled down. They got 278 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: they got brock Osweiler a couple of years later at 279 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: fifty seven. They didn't draft him, but the Broncos did 280 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: at fifty seven. That's not and then Russell Wilson was 281 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: seventy five that year. Imagine you know had to Brown. 282 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: Let's let's say the Browns instead of taking Brandon Weedon 283 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: at twenty two, instead take Russell Wilson, and you know 284 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: they might have dominated division since or does he does 285 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: he not become what he's become with that because Seattle 286 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: was the perfect landing spot for him. They had just 287 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: rebuilt that whole defense in the previous two drafts and 288 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: all of a sudden they get the quarterback and because 289 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: they I mean, we will forget this time of year 290 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: We all thought Flynn was going to be their quarterbacks. 291 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: They spent some money on him. He was Roger's back up, 292 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: and it says the perfect I mean, it's perfect guy 293 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: to leap over. Yeah, he's not that much of an obstacle. 294 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: But you look at that quarterback. Okay, you had luck. 295 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: He had Robert Griffin for it was good for a 296 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: couple of years. And those two go really high in 297 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: any draft. They were great prospects. Tanney Hill was eight. Yeah, 298 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: that's a hit. Yeah. Uh. Then you had Russell Wilson. 299 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: It's Nick Foles, that a hi. Yeah, Kirk Cousins at 300 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: one oh two, that's a that's a hit. Yeah. Quarterbacks 301 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: on planet. Ryan Linley played a lot. He was a 302 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: cars Yeah, Um, I contend to Luxe Hall of Fame 303 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: or if he sticks it out to Yeah, if he 304 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: plays a few more years, if he would have had 305 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:32,959 Speaker 1: if he wouldn't have given it up and just had 306 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: a normal career, he stayed reasonably healthy, bounce of power 307 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: would be a lot different too. Cam Newton Inn was 308 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: the number one overall picked. Jake Locker went eighth overall. Yeah, 309 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: that's that awesome class with Green and then the Viking 310 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: surprised everybody. I'm sorry, Blaine Gabbett went tenth. Christ quarterbacks 311 00:17:55,720 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: Christian Ponder at twelve. That's shocked people, too, Andy and 312 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: the thirty five was a much better player. Yeah. Colin 313 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: Kaepernick went with the next pick at thirty six, Ryan 314 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: Mallett at seventy four. Um. Yeah, I had a lot 315 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: of Day two quarterbacks during the Brady era. Yeah. Um. 316 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: Also in that draft, Tyrod Taylor was a six round 317 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: draft pick. That Yeah, And you know t J Yates 318 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: at one fifty two to the Texans. He's still in 319 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: the league or at least has been. Play on Tyrod 320 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: Taylor in the sixth round and it didn't work out 321 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: this way. But if he's your ten year back up 322 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: and starts a lot of games in between there, that's 323 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: a fantastic move. Goes back to our you know my 324 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: point here that first of all, that two thousand five 325 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: draft class was not bad. No, it's one of the 326 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: better ones. We've talked about. The more we talked about, 327 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: I mean, some of these are horrible. And the pick 328 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: the Steelers used in ten or eighteen on Mason Rudolph 329 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: was not a wasted pick. No, I mean in terms 330 00:18:55,600 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: of what you have for what you paid. That's not 331 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: one of the better ones, but it's the middle of 332 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: the road or better that's above average from what you 333 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: have from that player. If the Steelers the money you've 334 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: invested in a backup quarterback. If the Steelers, let's say 335 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: they signed Mason Rudolph, is there stop gap quarterback or whatever? 336 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: In two years down the line, one of the trade 337 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph. They would get something in return for Mason Rudolph. Probably. Probably. 338 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 1: That's a hard conversation to have because you don't know 339 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: how's he plays. I mean, does Ben reft the misstime. 340 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: Let's let's say he plays the way he has played. 341 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: Let's say he's a really good preseason I kind of 342 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: expect from I'll be a little this point. If he 343 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,959 Speaker 1: doesn't have a you know, one of the better players 344 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: on the field, especially against two's, and you know when 345 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: he's playing with a good unit, I would expect them 346 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: as long as they don't let him get crushed every 347 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 1: every time he drops back to pass. And I would think, 348 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: like week one, he's gonna play with all the ones 349 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: to Ben's I can play a lot of the preseason. No, 350 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: I wouldn't expect it. I would think Rudolph should be 351 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: one of the better Steelers in the preseason. If that's 352 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: all you see from him, he's gonna have a market 353 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: on the open market, it, yeah, or value if the 354 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: Steelers signed him to a two year deal. I mean, 355 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: look around the league at who the twos are around 356 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: the league? Looking around the league, that's who some of 357 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: the ones are. I mean, Bridgewater is better than him, yeah, 358 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: but it's not. It's not markably better. And we might 359 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: change that tune. You think Washing You think Washington would 360 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: like to have Mason Rudolph right now, right? I mean 361 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: just in the mix and yeah, right, give him all 362 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: the priests where if he were in Denver? Right exactly 363 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: could he beat out Drew lock? Yeah? Right, right, right right. 364 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: That's that's my point, Like Bridgewater is better than him, 365 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 1: but is he? You know what I mean? What do 366 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: you want to what do you want out of your quarterback? 367 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: That's the that's the conversation that you have. Then next, Okay, 368 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: Rudolph was going to throw the football down the field 369 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 1: a little bit here. We know Teddy won't Teddy won't 370 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: you know? I mean the books written on him, yeah, 371 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: I mean the book's not totally written on Mason Um. 372 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: But this whole conversation to me really revolves around next year. 373 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: You know, like when you say, well, they'll just get 374 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: their quarterback. You know, we'll excuse firs round pick on 375 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: the quarterback. If they're picking twenty four. It's not good business. 376 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,719 Speaker 1: History isn't real kind to you. I mean it's not. 377 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: You gotta go all the way back to to you know, 378 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 1: two thousand and four to find everybody likes to bring 379 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: that one up. Well, there are two thousand five should say, well, 380 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers fell. Nobody thought that he should have. Nobody 381 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: thought that he should have. I mean funny, we talked 382 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: about this on my podcast today too, because I was 383 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: in that war room. And surprisingly, the Browns didn't think 384 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: they needed a quarterback at that point. I mean, they 385 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: drafted Luke McCowan the year before, and they and they 386 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: just signed Garcia, and we had just signed Garcia, and 387 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: we thought Luke mccollun could be somebody, and we still 388 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: drafted Charlie Fry in the third round, you know, thinking 389 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna put you know, put Kellen Winslow next to Edwards, 390 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 1: and that's gonna be a great spot for Luke to 391 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: take over. We got two stud receivers, which they looked 392 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: like at the time. Um, so the logic was sort 393 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: of sound. But the Browns and I myself had Rogers 394 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: over Smith. If we were gonna take a quarterback at three, 395 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: it would have been Rogers. But I'll tell you right now, 396 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers then doesn't look like Aaron Rodgers now, I 397 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: mean a late bloomer. He got a couple of years 398 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: behind far Of to kind of. I think that was 399 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: really important. He didn't have to play early. Um, that 400 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: doesn't happen these days. I think he learned. I mean, 401 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: I don't think they were buddies, but I think he 402 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: looked at far Of and said, I can be aggressive 403 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: like him. Yeah, I can throw the ball down the 404 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: field like because he was coming from a West Coast 405 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: kind of college offense. Get the ball, dude, you know, 406 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: like he wasn't the prospect. Nobody saw that coming. You 407 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: know what he turned in. If they would have, they 408 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 1: would have taken him in the you know. Yeah, and 409 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: again we could have gone number one overall right right right, 410 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: without question. And it was odd that he fell the 411 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: way he did because there's a couple of points. I'm 412 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: trying to think how that draft went, because there's a 413 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: couple of points where you know, if he would have 414 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: got past, there wasn't to make quarterback needs that year. 415 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: For some you had just gotten through the two thousand 416 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: four draft where there were five quarter backs taken into 417 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: there are five quarterbacks in the first rout, the Giants, 418 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: the market, the Chargers around the market. You had Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger. 419 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: Losman was a first round draft pick, Matt schab was 420 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: it was a second round pick. Luke mccowm was a 421 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: fourth round pick, and there was teams that like their 422 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: young guy yeah more than yeah. Yeah. So I mean 423 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: that just wasn't you know the year before that Cincinnati 424 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: had taken Carson Palmer, that the Jaguars had had Byron 425 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: left which the Ravens had just taken Kyle Bowler in 426 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 1: the first round. Rex Grossman was a first round draft pick. 427 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 1: So there was a large run true every year, you know, like, yeah, 428 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: it's people have taken them recently. But I do remember thinking, wow, 429 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: there's not as many needs at quarterback needy teams and 430 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: it hurt Rogers draft stock or you know, it was 431 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: his draft position. Yeah, they just weren't as many spots 432 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: for him to land, and he wasn't an ultra prospect 433 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: contrary to popular belief. I mean, he was a much 434 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: better pro than he was prospect. And I think what's 435 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 1: changed now, um as you see those those quarterbacks it 436 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: used to be Again, I'll go back to just a 437 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: couple of years ago when when there were five quarterbacks 438 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: taken in the first round that tied a record. That 439 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: doesn't happen. Now. We're talking about five quarterbacks going in 440 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: the top ten this year potentially, and that's a very 441 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: rare thing. It's next year. It's just gonna be a 442 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: trend we've seen. Last year there were four, there were four. 443 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: Last year there were three, and nineteen there were five, 444 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: and eighteen, there were three and twenty seventeen. Uh, you know, 445 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: there were three and twenty sixteen there were only two 446 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: and fifteen. You know, we get we got back to 447 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: some of those other drafts that we went through. Forty 448 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: years old today, it makes me feel old, But there 449 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: were some of those drafts that we went through where 450 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: there wasn't a quarterback taken. Uh, for example EJ. Manual 451 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: in sixteenth. Overall that doesn't happen anymore. The top quarterback 452 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: goes somewhere in the top ten, if not one. Overall, 453 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 1: they're gonna go in the top five sure, whoever that 454 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: guy is, even if it's as bad a prospect as 455 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: d J. Mannel, because in that team could have just 456 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 1: taken another quarterback three years ago, but they're ready to 457 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: We've gotta try something new. This guy's played. I don't know, 458 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: it's not a great way to develop quarterbacks, but I 459 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: think what's different, at least than the mindset of the 460 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: set of these teams though, is having Daniel Jones isn't great. 461 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 1: I mean, he's not a tools he player. He might 462 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: turn into an average starter, but still having him for 463 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: five years is so cost effective that I think, like 464 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: the Wilson years sort of showed people what an advantage 465 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: it is, especially someone outside the first round, but even 466 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: in early first round pick is better than given the 467 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: Andy Dalton's of the world. You know, that's just the 468 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: I mean, the cost of doing business at the quarterback 469 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: position is extreme if it's a veteran, so much so 470 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: it's so much different than any other position on the 471 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: field where you're ruter back. If he's any good is 472 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,360 Speaker 1: making twi plus million dollars a year. See, I think 473 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: that's the biggest thing Mac Jones has going for, not 474 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: the three. But if you're I don't know, Denver, New 475 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: England or somebody like that, and say I can get 476 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 1: the same play out of this guy as I can 477 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: out of cam or whoever. Bridgewater right, Bridgewater, Bridgewater was 478 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: making like fourteen million last year, wasn't he or even 479 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 1: think it's more than that? Yeah, I mean I'd rather 480 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 1: Mat Jones and give up a first round pick and 481 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: use that money on left tackles and receivers, you know 482 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: what I mean, and and have average can still have 483 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: average quarterback play, you know, I don't think that was 484 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: as big a deal back then we need to cost 485 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,959 Speaker 1: effective quarterback and also the middle of the road guys 486 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: are now. You know, I don't know if there's much 487 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: of a short as much of as shortage as there 488 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: used to be. Like if Dalton, I always bring him up. 489 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 1: But there has been a lot of talented young quarterbacks 490 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: in the league, and a lot of them that can 491 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: move better. And even back to the Alex Smith conversation, 492 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: the league is so much better now at adjusting to 493 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: their quarterback as opposed to making their quarterback. You're gonna, yeah, 494 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: you gotta learn our systems. No, no, we're gonna yeah. Right, 495 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: I mean that's a mistake, right, I mean, that's stone 496 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 1: age thinking. Yeah, you adjust to what you're the talent 497 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: of that you have, not the other way around, right, right, right, 498 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: you know, I mean I often bring up Vic and 499 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: Young and Cordell. Those guys will be first picking the 500 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: draft this year. I mean maybe not over Trevor Lawrence, 501 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: but they'd be in the fields conversation and probably would 502 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: have better careers. Well, there's not a doubt my mind. Cunningham, 503 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: you know, even Flute. Yeah, you'd figure out ways to 504 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: use those guys much better than they did back in 505 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: the day. Courdell be like coming out right now, he'd 506 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 1: be a first round draft pick. He'd be right there 507 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: with you know, you'd be looking at him going, okay, 508 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: is it justin fields or is it Cordell Stewart. I mean, 509 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: would he went over Lamar in the same draft, maybe 510 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: over Josh Allen in the same draft, maybe you know, 511 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: same conversation. Yeah, absolutely, but yeah, but that's gonna do it. 512 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: For this segment of the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. 513 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: I want to say thanks for my partner, Matt Williamson. 514 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: We also want to say thank you to Jacob Breck 515 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: for keeping us here on the air, and we also 516 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: want to say thank you to you for listening to 517 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: this edition of The Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.