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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Good Stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jacob Schick and I'm joined by my co host

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Speaker 2: and wife, Ashley Shick.

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Speaker 3: Jake is a third generation combat Marine and I'm a

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Speaker 3: gold Star granddaughter. We work together to serve military veterans,

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Speaker 3: first responders, frontline healthcare workers, and their families with mental

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Speaker 3: and emotional wellness through traditional and non traditional therapy.

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Speaker 4: At One Tribe Foundation.

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Speaker 2: We believe everyone has a story to tell, not only

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Speaker 2: about the peaks, but also the valleys they've been through

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Speaker 2: to get them to where they are today.

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Speaker 3: Each week, we invite a guest to tell us their story,

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Speaker 3: to share with us the lessons they've learned that shape

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Speaker 3: who they are and what they're doing to pay it

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Speaker 3: forward and give back.

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Speaker 2: Our mission with this show is to dig deep into

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Speaker 2: our guest journey so that we can celebrate the hope

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Speaker 2: and inspiration that their story has to offer.

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Speaker 4: We're thrilled you're joining us again.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Good Stuff.

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Speaker 3: Today's episode is a big one. Only right that we

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Speaker 3: bring you not one, but two guests, Artemis peb Danny

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Speaker 3: and Nazanie Nor. Both women are actresses based in Los Angeles, California,

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Speaker 3: with impressive resumes. Both on screen and on the stage.

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Speaker 2: Nazani Noor has appeared in television shows such as Madam's

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Speaker 2: have seen her on social media. Her accounts on YouTube,

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Speaker 3: Artemis pep Danny has been in countless films and many

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Speaker 3: of your favorite TV shows, including, but not limited to,

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Speaker 3: It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Scandal, Big City, Greens, The Goldbergs,

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Speaker 3: and my personal favorite of all time, How I Met

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Speaker 3: Your Mother.

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Speaker 2: It's a legend and wait for it if the next

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Speaker 2: word affects you because you're lactose, intolerant and dairy. Both

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Speaker 2: Artemis and Nazanine are Iranian Americans. Today they join us

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Speaker 2: for a conversation about growing up in America as children

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Speaker 2: of Iranian immigrants, the theater experience that brought them together

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Speaker 2: in the political upheaval in Iran that has forever changed

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Speaker 3: We're airing this episode in September twenty twenty three, just

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Speaker 3: one year after the death twenty two year old Masa Amini.

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Speaker 3: Masa's death at the hands of the Islamic Republic regimes

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Speaker 3: so called morality police, sparked off protests across Iran and

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Speaker 3: at the forefront of this freedom fight, putting their lives

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Speaker 3: join the peaceful protest, demanding an end to the dictatorship

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Speaker 3: that has oppressed their people for the last forty four years.

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Speaker 2: We recorded this episode back in June, so while much

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Speaker 2: has happened since, please know that the Iranian people's fight

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Speaker 2: for freedom and self determination remained steadfast and strong.

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Speaker 3: This conversation is full of passion, anger, laughter and tears.

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Speaker 3: As you'll come to learn, Artemis and Nazanine are risking

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Speaker 3: a lot when they speak out publicly against the regime

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Speaker 3: on a podcast like this, and we don't take their

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Speaker 2: It's the epitome of the word courage, and we're honored

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Speaker 2: to bring you this upisode.

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Speaker 3: Artemis, Pep Danny, and Nazanie Nor thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for being with us today on the good stuff. You know,

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Speaker 3: much of what we're going to talk about today has

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Speaker 4: So It's so meaningful for the two of us.

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Speaker 3: To have the two of you side by side sharing

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Speaker 3: with us your stories.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the good stuff, Thank you, thank you for

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Speaker 3: We're here in Dallas, Texas and Artemis. You're actually from

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Speaker 4: Correct, Yeah, I'm from Houston, but I did go to

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Speaker 4: college in Dallas, Southern Methodist University. Rights I got out

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Speaker 4: the thing that I studied doing and it just wasn't

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Speaker 4: going to happen in Dallas. What did you study theater there?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then and that's an eight year from Virginia.

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Speaker 5: It's a really nice area to grow up.

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Speaker 6: And I was just recently there, so it was nice

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Speaker 6: Arts and I played violin and I would do school theater.

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Speaker 6: I went to Georgia mac University and I studied government

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Speaker 5: Litigation, I was like, I'm gonna go.

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Speaker 6: Actually, after my dreamca this makes me want to jump

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Speaker 5: So I did not study theater.

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Speaker 4: just gonna I'm just gonna let y'all know right now,

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Speaker 4: Hell this is gonna go. This one is like articulate

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Speaker 4: members things, retains information, is able to like eloquently get

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Speaker 4: out information. I will play the blobby amba weepy mess

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Speaker 3: So tell us about your childhood growing up in your

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Speaker 4: What was that like in Houston when we were there,

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Speaker 4: amount of racism. It was fine, it happened. But the

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Speaker 4: thing is, Houston's actually really diverse, right, and it even

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Speaker 6: We went to Persian school growing up, and I feel

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Speaker 6: Double down harder on my identity because I was just like,

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Speaker 6: So there's a lot of things going on that made

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Speaker 4: What was your family's ethnicity.

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Speaker 1: No, it's for everybody.

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Speaker 5: And that went on for a few minutes and he

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Speaker 3: Yeah, wo basically, But good for you for doing that.

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Speaker 5: I totally agree with you.

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Speaker 4: People use things as crutches.

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Speaker 6: Suck less is great, and it's like, yeah, now that

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Speaker 4: You said the word pride, and Jake and I get that.

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Speaker 1: Fact.

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Speaker 3: But still both very proud of you know where you

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Speaker 4: My sisters are ten and twelve years older, and I

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Speaker 2: Too, because it's like, you know, you wouldn't have been

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Speaker 1: It went over really really well.

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Speaker 5: Sounds like I did.

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Speaker 4: How did he find out? Did they?

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Speaker 2: Which? My recruiter showed up in his dress blues to

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Speaker 1: Oh no, wow, Oh my dad he was pissed.

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Speaker 4: Dad didn't talk to him for like three months.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so you're dadsy Runnian.

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Speaker 4: How did you know?

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Speaker 1: Is absolutely in my DNA. And I just didn't understand that.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, well, yeah, but that was your dream.

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Speaker 2: I don't regret any of it. It was great learning experience.

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Speaker 2: You know, y'all know how that goes. It's happened with everybody.

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Speaker 6: Well, they project their fears too onto you as well,

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Speaker 1: You know, it comes from a very true, real place.

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Speaker 4: What about you, Nazany.

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Speaker 6: From a very young age, I was reading very young

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Speaker 6: has always been like I grew up watching Saturday Night

443
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 6: Live and all the sitcoms like Fresh Prints, Living Single,

444
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,199
Speaker 6: like Threes Company reruns, Like that was my vibe, and

445
00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,120
Speaker 6: that's what I wanted to do. And you know, when

446
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,640
Speaker 6: a lot of my friends were talking about like weddings

447
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,360
Speaker 6: and what my wedding's going to be, like, I was like, oh,

448
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 6: and then when I win this award, I'm gonna like

449
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:45,880
Speaker 6: I want to be like this.

450
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 5: And I want to say this.

451
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 6: So it was always in my dreams, but I figured

452
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 6: maybe that's just a dream to have because I have

453
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 6: to go be a good Iranian girl.

454
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,240
Speaker 5: And like Artemis was saying, we were talking about parents.

455
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 6: I understand now as you get older, their immigrant parents

456
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 6: who came and my parents weren't meant to stay here.

457
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 6: They came in nineteen seventy five to go to university,

458
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 6: get their degrees and go back like a lot of

459
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 6: your audience, same yeah, same, So when the revolution happened,

460
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,360
Speaker 6: they got stuck in this country because then the war started.

461
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:17,440
Speaker 5: They have a fear.

462
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 6: Of course, It's like we struggled to build something in

463
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 6: a country we weren't even supposed to be in with

464
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 6: zero family around, Why would you choose to go into

465
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 6: a profession where you're literally going to have to struggle.

466
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,119
Speaker 6: So I know their resistance to me pursuing acting and

467
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 6: entertainment as a career is out of a love, out

468
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 6: of not wanting to watch me struggle. But I worked

469
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 6: in corporate litigation for a few years and I was

470
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,399
Speaker 6: burning out because I hated it, and I moved to

471
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 6: New York. I worked for this big international firm and

472
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 6: I worked out this deal with them where from four

473
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 6: pm to midnight, I would do you know, my billable hours,

474
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 6: and during the day, I was like trying to get

475
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,639
Speaker 6: auditions on my own and land an agent.

476
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 5: And I was like, I'm gonna go insane.

477
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 6: So I got to get rid of one thing, and obvious,

478
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 6: I'm going to get rid of the stable job, and yeah,

479
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go do the other thing, the acting thing,

480
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,239
Speaker 6: and have all the side jobs. And my dad has

481
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,439
Speaker 6: always been really supportive in the sense that he was like,

482
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 6: I love you, I know you're talented.

483
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 5: You just have to know this business is hard.

484
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,360
Speaker 6: You're not famous, you don't have famous parents, and you're

485
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 6: not wealthy. And so I was like, I know these things,

486
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 6: but I still want to do it, so he would

487
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 6: support as much as he could. My mom was much

488
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 6: more resistant, hated it. My mom actually still a month

489
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 6: ago after we just closed a show I did, was like, Okay,

490
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,120
Speaker 6: now that that's done, sure you.

491
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 5: Don't want to go back to law. I'm like, how

492
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 5: many years do I have to be in this for? Yeah?

493
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 6: Anyway, they all come around and they support you when

494
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 6: they see that you're happy, and just as Artemis said,

495
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 6: when they see that also there's other people that are

496
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,360
Speaker 6: connecting to what you're doing and giving you some sort

497
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 6: of accolades, it makes them a little bit more comfortable.

498
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,880
Speaker 6: I feel like to be like, okay, maybe she's doing Okay,

499
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 6: maybe will let her do this?

500
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 4: Yes, I don't have a choice. Yeah exactly. Yeah, but

501
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 4: what is the to be like effective and to be

502
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 4: affecting people? What more is life about? What more is

503
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 4: could your job be about? And for them to be

504
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 4: able to see that, yes, that is exactly what you

505
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 4: were doing, yeah right, it must be huge.

506
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think for them seeing you know, the last year,

507
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 6: Artemis and I did a play together that was about

508
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 6: Iranian women and friendships based in Iran, and for them

509
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 6: to see the reaction from Iranian audiences watching it, saying

510
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 6: that they've never seen themselves reflected on stage before, and

511
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 6: how they connected and to even see non Iranians being

512
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 6: so connected and moved by these stories also, I think

513
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 6: again shows them like, oh, this art that they're doing,

514
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 6: these things that they're doing are impacting people in a

515
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 6: way that's beautiful, and that is actually spreading the one

516
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 6: thing we always try to instill them is pride in

517
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 6: their culture, and they're doing it on the literal and

518
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 6: figurative stage, so it makes it easier for them to

519
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 6: I guess, be accepting of it.

520
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 3: By the time your paths crossed in twenty twenty two,

521
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 3: y'all both had extremely impressive careers in that New York

522
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 3: City theater. Tell us about how the two of you met.

523
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 4: The play was called Wish You Were Here by Sonos Tuci,

524
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 4: and it's absolutely amazing to me and to many many people,

525
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 4: and to me. It was supposed to be at a

526
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 4: Williamstown Theater festival, and I think it was twenty twenty one,

527
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 4: and you know, they weren't able to do the festival

528
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 4: because of all the COVID times, so they were going

529
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 4: to present it.

530
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 5: Through audible, audible, yeah, audible theater.

531
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 4: So they cast us all and then our rehearsals were

532
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 4: on Zoom and then we were going to record it online.

533
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 4: First of all, in a very personal it's okay, it's okay,

534
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 4: this is so childish. But when my agent or manager

535
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 4: whoever told me about the role, of course, they're like,

536
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 4: do you want to do this because this is the

537
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 4: pay and uh, and I was like, I was floored

538
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 4: that this is stake a pee. I was floored that

539
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 4: anybody viewed me as an Iranian at all. I never

540
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 4: thought that that part of me was seen. I was

541
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 4: just so touched by that. And there was nothing I

542
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 4: wanted to do more than to do that play. And

543
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden we meet on zoom and

544
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 4: all they were all these squares and they were all

545
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 4: there were five Iranian American actresses, which I've never seen

546
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 4: five Iranian American actresses together, all in the same complexion,

547
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 4: all talking about the same issues, and Saunas was on

548
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 4: it too, and just the moment of seeing all of

549
00:25:54,760 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 4: us there was yep, magic can confirm. Everybody was crying. Yeah.

550
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 4: I did not expect that to affect me so much, so,

551
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 4: so crazy it's just not an opportunity you get as

552
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 4: an actor speaking is an Iranian. You're never rarely are

553
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 4: you going to see unless it's a specific story, or

554
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 4: you're not going to get two Iranian actors in the show.

555
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 6: And that's why it's so important to that point that

556
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 6: it's very cliche, but representation matters because the fact that

557
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 6: you know, getting us all in a room and we're

558
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 6: all sobbing and having like trauma from it, it actually

559
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 6: also shows how far we need to go in this

560
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 6: industry about like we shouldn't be that rare.

561
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 5: For these types of things to happen.

562
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 6: But to finally, you know, a lot of the scripts

563
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 6: that I came across my way early on where just

564
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 6: everything was terrorist related or terrorists adjacent, or you're the

565
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 6: wife of a terrorist, you're the daughter of a terrorist

566
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 6: who flips and helps the Americans, or it was just

567
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 6: all that type of storyline.

568
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 5: And I got to a point too where I.

569
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 6: Was like told my team, I was like, I don't

570
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 6: want to see any more of these scripts. I'm not

571
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 6: even going to audition for anything. I'm not perpetuating the stereotype.

572
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 6: So to finally see like, oh my god, it was

573
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 6: literally the stories of our moms, because this Wish you

574
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 6: were here starts in one year before the Islamic Revolution

575
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 6: in Iran and it goes over thirteen years to show

576
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 6: the friendships and how the relationships developed between these women

577
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 6: and what happens to people through revolution, war, immigration and

578
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 6: all that kind of stuff, and it is actually showing

579
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 6: Iranians for who they are, human beings who are warm, compassionate, kind, loving,

580
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 6: proud people from thousands of years of history, who are

581
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 6: going through these emotions that every human goes through, who

582
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 6: are seeking the things that every human seek.

583
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 5: And you know, not a one.

584
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 4: Terrorist, yes, not a one terrorist also a huge thing.

585
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 4: Here were women who, yes, some crap was going down,

586
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 4: but there were also so many moments of joy, so

587
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 4: many moments of these women just appreciating each other being friends,

588
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 4: of having normal moments together. Not oh Ali was such

589
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 4: a good boy. Why why.

590
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:04,719
Speaker 1: Why did she go ating?

591
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 4: Yeah?

592
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, that moment was.

593
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 6: And then when we finally met in person at the theater,

594
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 6: we all just kind of had this like, oh, like,

595
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 6: we all know each other because we've been on zoom

596
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 6: for months. And then we were in this Remember we're

597
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 6: in the big the rehearsal space and first day of

598
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 6: any play, it's like everyone from the theater is there,

599
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 6: the creative team, it's like literally the whole theater, and

600
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 6: they watch you do a table read in front of everybody.

601
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 6: They show you the set, the mock up of the set,

602
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 6: and I remember we all huddled around the mock up

603
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 6: of the set and I immediately burst into tears because

604
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 6: my aunt, had of my mom's sisters, had died like

605
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 6: two weeks prior to these rehearsals, and her home in Ahvaz,

606
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 6: which is where my family's from the southwest of Iran.

607
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 6: This set designer Arnolfo, who has won Tony's like he's genius,

608
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 6: made the outdoor area called the hayat of this house.

609
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 5: It looked exactly like.

610
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 6: My aunt's house in Iran, to the types of brick

611
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 6: that's very specific to Iran, to the cement, to the flowers,

612
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 6: and I just started crying.

613
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 5: I was like, Oh my God, we're in my aunt's

614
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 5: house and.

615
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 6: It's just it's this feeling of we were just looking around,

616
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 6: like the reference photos that were on the wall for

617
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,239
Speaker 6: cast costumes and set design. It was just and they

618
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 6: did such a meticulous job which is you know, what

619
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 6: everybody should do on a professional set.

620
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 5: We're not used to such as always. We're not used

621
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 5: to that people getting where we're from.

622
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 6: You know, I've been on sets where they try to

623
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 6: bring me stuff for Iranian that is like literally from

624
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 6: like India. I'm like, these are two different countries, not

625
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 6: the same thing. But it was just so to all

626
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 6: of us experience that together and know that like I'm

627
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 6: not the weirdo alone crying like my other castmates were

628
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 6: all like wow, and being in that room together and

629
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 6: finally having people again see us for who we are

630
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 6: and not for this stereotype that's been perpetuated, which I'm

631
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 6: sure we'll get into. But you know, for years, people

632
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 6: have conflated the Islamic Republic's regime with the people and

633
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 6: the history of Iran, and we've worked so hard to

634
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 6: like distance those two things from one another. So these

635
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 6: pieces of art feel like small steps in you know,

636
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 6: getting to that goal.

637
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 3: Absolutely and clearly they took such meticulous care to get

638
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 3: it right.

639
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 4: They really did.

640
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, they did a great job.

641
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 4: So wish you were here.

642
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 3: Closed just a few months before the death of Masa

643
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 3: Amini on September sixteenth, twenty twenty two, Can you tell

644
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 3: us about who Massa Amini was and how did she die?

645
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 4: Man, She's a regular person, a regular person of Kurdish descent.

646
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 5: It's also important to point out.

647
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 6: Because ethnic minorities in Iran are also persecuted, and Kurdish

648
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 6: people especially of been historically persecuted. Her name is Massa

649
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 6: Gina Amini, so under the Islamic Republic, you can't give

650
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 6: your kids names that are deemed un Islamic. So Masa

651
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 6: was her government given name, but her family calls her Gena,

652
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 6: which is why it's like always very important to include

653
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 6: that when talking about her. And twenty two year old

654
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 6: girl just went into the capitol with her brother and

655
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 6: family to visit Tehran. She was stopped by this morality police,

656
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 6: which I've been stopped by before an iron, It's very

657
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 6: scary and the only thing that saved me was my

658
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 6: American passport and my cousin's trying to explain that, oh,

659
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 6: she didn't know, you know, and so she was stopped

660
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 6: in proper headjob. The brother and her were really trying

661
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 6: to fight back because everyone knows once you get put

662
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 6: into one of these bands, anything can happen, so they

663
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 6: were just trying to make sure she didn't get taken away.

664
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 5: She was taken away.

665
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 6: She was, according to eyewitness accounts, reportedly dealt so many

666
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 6: blows to her head that she and there's CCTV footage

667
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 6: from They take them to these re education centers, you know,

668
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 6: to like teach them some sort of it's almost like

669
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 6: conversion therapy, but for like whatever that falls under that umbrella.

670
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 5: She fainted and we see this on camera.

671
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 6: She kept complaining about a headache, falls into a coma,

672
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 6: has to be intubated, and then two days later she

673
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 6: actually dies. And that was, you know, the powder keg moment.

674
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 6: I always try to compare it to in twenty twenty

675
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 6: when George Floyd was murdered by the police. That was

676
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 6: a powder moment for us to come out and protest,

677
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 6: and it was against police brutality and systemic racism. So

678
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 6: it wasn't just about George Floyd, but it was about

679
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 6: this bigger problem. So just as Iran has had these

680
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 6: like ebbs and flows of protests, Massogina was a powder

681
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 6: keg moment and it just brought everybody out into the streets.

682
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 6: That police station she was taken to specifically is notorious

683
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 6: for mistreating and abusing the girls that get brought in there.

684
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 4: It was just like this whole.

685
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 6: I don't mean this term to be positive, but it

686
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 6: was like the perfect storm of things happened and it

687
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 6: just kind of that was the catalyst for where we

688
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 6: are now.

689
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 3: What did your life look like in the days and

690
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 3: weeks after you wrap the production of Wish You Were

691
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: Here leading up to her death? And what kind of

692
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 3: personal effect did that have on you?

693
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 6: Artmis and I went back to La and I, you know,

694
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 6: still just our you know, regular life summertime in La.

695
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 6: Some things had happened in Iran that I had spoken

696
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 6: out about on social media. There were protests that were

697
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 6: kind of like flaring up in different cities over different things.

698
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 6: They are always there's always a catalyst for something like

699
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 6: for one example was like I said, my parents are

700
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 6: from the south in a province called Klusastan.

701
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 5: There was a water shortage due to.

702
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 6: Corruption and water government mismanagement that broke out in twenty

703
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 6: twenty one. And so it starts as that, but really

704
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 6: it's the underlying We want to end to this regime.

705
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 6: We want to live in a secular democracy. We do

706
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 6: not want this theocracy. So there's always this like a

707
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 6: powder keg moment, like a spark, and then it gets

708
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 6: quashed in a few days. So some of those things,

709
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 6: there was flare ups that were happening, and it wasn't

710
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 6: as dominant in any type of media and news, and

711
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 6: it kind of came and went right, and it was

712
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 6: again it was care free, and I just remember I,

713
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 6: for the first time in my life, tried a dating app.

714
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 5: I was like, Okay, this is fun. I sign up

715
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 5: for a hinge going out on dates, blah blah blah.

716
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 6: And then I remember when the incident happened, when Massa

717
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 6: Amini was killed, when the news came out. But I

718
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 6: remember in that first week, I was trying to explain

719
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 6: to this person that I had gone out with a

720
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,719
Speaker 6: few times, how what was happening, and how it was

721
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 6: so traumatizing for me, and how how you know. I

722
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 6: was trying to amplify everything I could, and the media

723
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 6: wasn't picking it up yet either. So we were all

724
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 6: in the diaspora just really trying to get the news

725
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 6: out there, and it was weighing on a lot of us.

726
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 6: And I remember he got either some sort of something

727
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 6: happened where I didn't text him back in time where

728
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 6: I forgot to call him and I was like, yeah,

729
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 6: you know, like my motherland is burning, it's not really,

730
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 6: it's not personal. And I just remember he was like

731
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 6: said something like yeah, sorry, you're dealing with all that shit,

732
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 6: and I just in that moment, I was like, I

733
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 6: cannot be around anybody that is not going to try

734
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 6: to understand my struggle and sorry, but like, fuck you

735
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 6: if that's your response to me saying that.

736
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 5: Never talked to that person again either, but.

737
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 4: And what's his name?

738
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, just texted to Jakil you might know.

739
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, let me text you that.

740
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 6: But it was one of those moments too where I

741
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 6: was like, wow, it was a little bit carefree for

742
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 6: us in the moments leading up and how things changed

743
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 6: so drastically and everybody hunkered down and we were like,

744
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 6: that's it. This is the last time that this is

745
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 6: going to happen, and the media is not going to

746
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 6: pay attention, and we're going to do whatever we can

747
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 6: to make sure that Iran stays in the new cycle.

748
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 6: And that just kind of became everybody's second job since

749
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 6: September is doing that.

750
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 4: So life changed drastically coming off of the play was

751
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 4: always is going to be like a huge letdown and

752
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 4: a huge drop, and also like coming off of the

753
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 4: cultural experience that it was, it was like, now z

754
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 4: anyone was saying, so many things happened in Iran, so

755
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 4: many moments of uprising that get quelled, that get smooshed,

756
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 4: that get choked, and it happens constantly. It happens all

757
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 4: the time. I'll go to my parents' house and they'll

758
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 4: be like, Oh, this thing is happening. The water issue

759
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 4: was I'm surprised at Yeah.

760
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,439
Speaker 5: They killed people, they shot people.

761
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 4: It was all happening, and it was just like, you know,

762
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 4: business as usual, a little bit down, but I still

763
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 4: had this thing that was now more alive in me

764
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 4: than had been before, this cultural understanding of that, Oh yeah,

765
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 4: there are a bunch of us who have this feeling

766
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 4: of oh, got it, this might be I don't mean

767
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 4: to take it so far away. You know, there's a

768
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 4: thing to be Iranian, and then there's a thing to

769
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 4: be Rannie an American and far away.

770
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're not close to your people, you're not close

771
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 6: to your family, you're not close to your land.

772
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 4: And not being able to Sorry, y'all, I'm a mess

773
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 4: about this. Yeah, okay, just the idea that you're not

774
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 4: able to truly know what's going on. You're not able

775
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 4: to I don't know, it's a separate life. And so

776
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 4: you get these bits of information and when the news

777
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 4: of she didn't die immediately, no, it's like two days. Yeah,

778
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 4: so the news of what happened with her was bad,

779
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 4: and you know that it started to really affect people

780
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 4: was amazing. But this has happened before. I hate to

781
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 4: say this, but the problem with Massa I Meani, was

782
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 4: that she.

783
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 6: Was not the first and she hasn't been the last

784
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 6: since even September.

785
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have no doubt about it.

786
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 4: You know, there are years and years in the during

787
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 4: the Green Revolution, these women, I mean, it happens hundreds

788
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 4: of people, But every now and then you get this

789
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 4: one that like starts something. And then the thing with

790
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 4: Massa is that it didn't die down immediately. And we're

791
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 4: getting all the news that things are happening, and we're

792
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 4: getting as much news as we possibly can through our

793
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 4: own channels, and something starts feeling electric, like something is

794
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 4: happening there. We can't be there, but we can spread

795
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 4: the word that this might.

796
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: Be the moment.

797
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 4: This might be the thing that people have wanted for

798
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 4: so long, And if we can just get enough people

799
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 4: to pay attention to not be like, oh, that girl

800
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 4: died and yeah, shit sucks there, which happens a lot.

801
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 4: I think people just take for granted that, especially in

802
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 4: Middle Eastern countries and African countries, they're like yeah, lost

803
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 4: cause they just kind of like brush through what happens

804
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 4: in these specific country. It's like, no, every country has

805
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 4: their people fighting to live a life. That's just their lives.

806
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 4: And now it's like, so we're going through our own channels,

807
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 4: we're getting the information, we're trying to just throw the

808
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 4: information back out. Nazenin had a lot more you know,

809
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 4: through her history, through her past and what she's done

810
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 4: in the Iranian American community. She has so much more

811
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 4: information and so many more open channels. And I was

812
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 4: getting so much information from Nazenine and a few other

813
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 4: key players that were able to like spit out information

814
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 4: for the rest of us to be able to repost

815
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 4: and send out and any of us that had any

816
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 4: sort of notoriety or poll We're trying to use whatever

817
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 4: we had to get that word out.

818
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think it caused an avalanche at that time.

819
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 6: It finally something broke where it people were really paying attention.

820
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 6: And I've never seen that type of unity in the diaspora,

821
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 6: and I haven't seen that type of support from And

822
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 6: this might sound silly, but it actually it's worth noting

823
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 6: that we had people from all over the world of

824
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 6: notable like the Kardashians were posting about what was happening

825
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 6: in Iran.

826
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 4: Rappers were posting about like everything.

827
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 6: People were actually paying attention, and I remember there was

828
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 6: this whole thing.

829
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 5: It was called the Global Day of Solidarity for Iran.

830
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 6: It happened on October first, and it was in one

831
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 6: hundred and I believe thirty or seventy cities across the globe,

832
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 6: and some people from Ellen DeGeneres's digital team had seen

833
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 6: some videos I posted, and I remember they reached out

834
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 6: and they're like, Hey, we want to do an Instagram

835
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 6: takeover where you can inform our audience of what is

836
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 6: happening in the world how they can support Iran. Ellen

837
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 6: was very invested, and to me just that it just

838
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 6: felt like, oh my god, Ellen cares about what's happening

839
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 6: in Iran and wants to talk about it. And then

840
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 6: again it might might be like normal for other things,

841
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 6: but for our cause, nobody has paid this much attention.

842
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 6: Nobody mainstream has paid this much attention to what's happening

843
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 6: in Iran and has wanted to help. And I feel

844
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 6: like from those from in that moment, from that, like

845
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 6: you know, after those the first big rally happened and

846
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 6: like international media was covering it, it seemed like, wow,

847
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 6: this is one of the shifts that we need for

848
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 6: this movement, this revolution to actually you know, continue to

849
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 6: fruition and be successful. Is for international community and key

850
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 6: players to watch what's going on, to amplify, to spread

851
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 6: to you know, stop passing legislation and upholding a legislation

852
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 6: that emboldens the regime and weakens the people. And it

853
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 6: was like I felt like up to us, it was

854
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 6: a duty of everybody that didn't live in Iran to

855
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 6: continue to just like you know, keep their foot on

856
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 6: the next the proverbial next of everybody involved, to be like,

857
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 6: we need to make this change and this is why.

858
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 6: And you have to pay attention now because we're going

859
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 6: to be in your face, you know, until you pay

860
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 6: attention to us.

861
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 4: What was so important at that time for me was

862
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 4: getting the word out really so that the people in

863
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 4: Iran knew that other people cared, because there is no doubt.

864
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 4: Obviously they were doing the heavy lifting and they always

865
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 4: are doing the heavy lifting, and in this case, a

866
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 4: lot of it was young women and little girls doing

867
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 4: the heavy lifting. Yeah, aside from what politically people can

868
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 4: do and be aware of, it was really just Internet

869
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 4: was throttled. Everything was throttled. We just wanted them to

870
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 4: know that we are watching and we are there with you.

871
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 5: And they were sending out messages, video messages. How they could.

872
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 6: I mean, one of the most notable series of photos

873
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 6: you'll see from this last eight nine months is girls

874
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 6: with their backs to the camera taking off their head

875
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 6: scarves throwing up a middle finger to.

876
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 5: The supreme leader.

877
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 6: So it became this thing of like, we're going to

878
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 6: get our message out, but we're going to hide our

879
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 6: face for now. And one thing they kept saying was

880
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 6: please don't leave us alone. Please be our voice. Ye,

881
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 6: please don't leave us alone. Please be our voice. And

882
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 6: so you know, that's what.

883
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 5: Everybody to do.

884
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 2: They're the epitome of freedom fighters, straight up, like it

885
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 2: is so admirable in the face of what they're facing,

886
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 2: because you know, if you want to make a change,

887
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 2: you have to be willing to put your life on

888
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 2: the line.

889
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 5: My friend has said this over the years.

890
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 6: Tara actually another Iran American actress, Tarogrammy. She said, when

891
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 6: people say, like, you know, people especially in this country,

892
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 6: they try to shy away from politics or talking about

893
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 6: it or oh we should you know, not broach these topics.

894
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 6: And she was like, but to be Iranian American is

895
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 6: to be political because we were all born most of

896
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 6: us were born like after the revolution, and all we

897
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 6: got to see of our motherland. And I've visited Iran

898
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 6: a few times, is what it is like under oppression,

899
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 6: what it is like under this murderous dictatorial theocracy. And

900
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 6: so we can't avoid it. We can't not be political.

901
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 6: It's in our fabric. We can't go back to Iran.

902
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 6: I'll be you know, take detained, tortured, maybe killed or whatever.

903
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

904
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 6: I can't see my family, we can't go through traumas

905
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 6: with them or be happy or just have the normal

906
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 6: you know, say goodbye to dying grandparents. Like there's so

907
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 6: many things we can't do because of politics, so there's

908
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 6: no way to tell us that, like.

909
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 5: Well, now is not the time.

910
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: I think she's absolutely right, one hundred percent, Like how

911
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 2: it's unavoidable.

912
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: It really is.

913
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 2: I mean it's unavoidable and we need you know, there's

914
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 2: so many things we've our government has done. It's completely

915
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 2: counterintuitive to anything relating to common sense for the greater good.

916
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: If we're gonna nitpick these different countries that oh, well,

917
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 2: you know, we're gonna go do this and we're gonna

918
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: get involved or don't like trust me even even as

919
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: a marine, And it's like, why the fuck are we

920
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 2: doing this again?

921
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 4: Like what what's the I can't imagine.

922
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 2: It's willingness and obedience to orders our bosses go all

923
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 2: the way to the White House. Yeah you know, And

924
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: it's like I just it's I feel for you and

925
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 2: both of you and your families.

926
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 4: And whenever I bring this up to American friends, which

927
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 4: I don't very much anymore because it never goes well.

928
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 4: My parents never thought they grow up in their country

929
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 4: be devastated. They had rights, They lived their life, They

930
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 4: lived a day to day life. They went to the

931
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 4: grocery store, they hung out with family, they had parties,

932
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 4: they didn't think that they would wake up to bombs everywhere,

933
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 4: to devastation, and you know that can happen everywhere.

934
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 2: Yep.

935
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 6: I have a friend who came from Iran, So I'm

936
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 6: just gonna word this so I don't reveal anything or gender.

937
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 6: This friend came during all of this and wanted to

938
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 6: attend a big protest in DC in support of the

939
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 6: Iranian people. And this person we were talking about it,

940
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 6: and they got really quiet and introspective, and I was like,

941
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 6: what do you not want to go because you're afraid

942
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 6: of you know, people seeing your face and all that,

943
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 6: And then they started crying. They were like, I just

944
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 6: don't know what it feels like to be able to

945
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 6: go and protest without thinking somebody might shoot me and

946
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 6: kill me while I'm out on the streets. And this

947
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 6: is like the first time that I'm going to get

948
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 6: to go protest and not have the fear of being

949
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 6: murdered or imprisoned.

950
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you don't hit me.

951
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: That's beauty here, that's beautiful because if people asked me,

952
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 2: because again, you know, I was born a white kid

953
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 2: to a white family in the South. So according to

954
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 2: societal views and media and stereotypes like I'm supposed to

955
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: think a certain way, be a certain way X y Z,

956
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: and I'm a combat marine, I get stereotype two and

957
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: there I was wounded in war and blah blah blah,

958
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 2: and I'm supposed to be it's.

959
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 4: A little more than blah blah blah.

960
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 2: But really it was not, seriously, not really. It was

961
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: a shitty day at work. Could happen to anybody.

962
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: It is what it is.

963
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: They when people say, you know, Jake, don't, how do

964
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: you feel about that group doing whatever? And I'm like, hey,

965
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 2: when I signed on the dotted line for everyone in

966
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 2: this country, it wasn't an only if it was a

967
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 2: no matter what.

968
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 6: But that's because you're also a true like you're actually

969
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 6: embodying the true definition of what it means to live

970
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 6: in freedom and democracy. It's not supposed to be just

971
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 6: for people I agree with or that agree with me.

972
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 2: Right, No, in this country, you can disagree and still

973
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: love each other in this country.

974
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: That's okay.

975
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 6: I think it's really wonderful what you're doing with this

976
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 6: conversation as well, because I will fully admit that, like

977
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 6: what because when you said I'm a white man from

978
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 6: the South born today, And I'm like, immediately, my mind

979
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 6: of course goes to because you are based on your

980
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 6: own traumas and lived experiences. In my mind, you fit

981
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 6: the type of person that bullied me when I was younger, Right,

982
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 6: so we would think that maybe if I'm faced with

983
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 6: that again, does that come back? And it's so important

984
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 6: to have these dialogues and conversation to constantly remind ourselves, Okay,

985
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 6: first of all, not everybody fits into these things. And

986
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 6: second of all, we have so much more in common

987
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 6: than we do than we don't that like, look, you

988
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 6: know what I mean and.

989
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: That that makes sense?

990
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. And that's why it's people all

991
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 2: over the world. Trauma is trauma like it's pain and

992
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: suffering is relative. There's a reason there's no Richter skull

993
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: on it. There's a reason it can't be measured. It's

994
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: the one thing as a human race we can all

995
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: relate to. It's the one thing nothing else we have

996
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: because everything is so much different everywhere, pain and suffering.

997
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: We can all relate to.

998
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: And I'm like, if we could just lean in and

999
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 2: love hard on that one thing that we all know,

1000
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 2: I think we would have a lot better globe to inhabit.

1001
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but like I am, super fucking passionate about

1002
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: people having the ability to live well. Yeah, and you

1003
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: can't do that without a free society.

1004
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: It's impossible. It's impossible.

1005
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: Absolutely the places I've been, I've experienced this, and it's

1006
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: literally my gums are tinkling right now because I'm thinking

1007
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 2: about all of that shit, and I'm like, fuck, man,

1008
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 2: why have so many of these people fought, bled and

1009
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 2: died if we're just gonna keep doing the same old shit?

1010
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1011
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: Why?

1012
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 4: Life is hard enough? Yeah, life is hard enough. Right.

1013
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: I appreciate the fucking shit out of both of you,

1014
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: and I want you to know that.

1015
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 5: Thank you. We appreciate you too, honestly and your passion.

1016
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 3: So we're recording this episode in early June twenty twenty three.

1017
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 3: There's no way for us to cover everything that's unfolded

1018
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,439
Speaker 3: over the last eight or nine months. Tell us, from

1019
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 3: your perspective, what all has happened in Iran?

1020
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, just you know, kind of a very

1021
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 6: brief cliffs notes. Since then, there's been mass protests over

1022
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 6: five hundred and thirty people, according to rights groups that.

1023
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 5: We know of.

1024
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just about to say it's safe to say.

1025
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 5: It's more yep, but that's the number that you know.

1026
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 5: I'm like, you can be safe quoting.

1027
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: I just want people to know. I want our listeners

1028
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 2: to know it's never accurate. It's never it ever, it's

1029
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: never accurate.

1030
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,959
Speaker 6: When it comes to the Islamic Republic, everything is a lie,

1031
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 6: so you should never trust anything they say. Over five

1032
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 6: hundred and thirty killed. Seventy two of those children, youngest

1033
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 6: being two years old. Women and men have been brutalized,

1034
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 6: raped and tortured in detention centers and taken to black

1035
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 6: site locations. People have been executed after sham trials by

1036
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 6: public hanging for being involved in peaceful protests.

1037
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 4: There's absolutely no due process.

1038
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 6: Their families and most of these cases were not even

1039
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 6: given a chance to say goodbye to them. So we

1040
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 6: just see horrific videos coming out of family members learning

1041
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 6: what just showing up to the prison doors thinking they're

1042
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 6: going to see their loved one to visit them, and

1043
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 6: finding out they were just hanged. You have girls, school

1044
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 6: age girls, because gen Z was really at the forefront

1045
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 6: of these protests, as we saw taking off their headscarves,

1046
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 6: burning pictures of the supreme leader Ali Kramene and the

1047
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 6: founder of the Islamic Republic were j La Homini, and

1048
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 6: thousands of schoolgirls have been attacked by chemical gases while

1049
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 6: they're in st school, taken to hospitals.

1050
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 5: And the really crappy part about this too.

1051
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 6: Is that the schoolgirl gas attacks have been happening since

1052
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 6: November of twenty twenty two to this day. There's no

1053
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 6: accountability and the only thing you can believe is the

1054
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 6: regime must be complicit because first of all, loitering around

1055
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 6: girls schools is like very difficult to do in the

1056
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 6: Islamic Republic.

1057
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 5: They have eyes and ears everywhere.

1058
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 6: This is a regime that has kidnapped dissidents from abroad,

1059
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 6: taken them back to Iran. One of them is currently

1060
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 6: in Jamshee Sharmad and executed them because of speaking out

1061
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 6: against the regime and any other crime they want to

1062
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 6: put on top of them. They always put this corruption

1063
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 6: on earth, war, waging war against God. It's this like

1064
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 6: general umbrella term under their Sharia law. It can be

1065
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 6: applied to anything you do. And so this a regime

1066
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 6: that can probably knows where we are, you know, and

1067
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 6: like can kidnap you from another country and bring you

1068
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 6: there for execution. You cannot convince me or anybody else

1069
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 6: that they do not know who and what is behind

1070
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 6: these attacks, so everyone believes they're complicit because of that.

1071
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 6: We had some successes with the UN Commission on the

1072
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 6: Status of Women kicking the Islamic Republic off through this

1073
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 6: big advocacy campaign and after it was asked for by

1074
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 6: leading female human rights activist and atorneys inside of Iran, they

1075
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 6: created a fact finding mission under the Human Rights Council

1076
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 6: to investigate crimes against humanity committed by the Islamic Republic

1077
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 6: from September.

1078
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 5: And that investigation is ongoing.

1079
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 6: But then the UN two weeks ago turns around I'm

1080
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 6: getting livid, puts them as the chair of the Human

1081
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 6: Rights Social Forum where they're going to be talking about

1082
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 6: how technology.

1083
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 5: Can be used to promote human rights.

1084
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 6: This is a regime that's literally using technology to find

1085
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 6: people and murder them, that's using facial recognition technology to

1086
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 6: send tickets and imprison women for not wearing their head

1087
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 6: scarves properly. We have a popular two popular rappers, two

1088
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 6: March Sadaghi and Salmonia Sine, that were put in jail

1089
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 6: simply for joining peaceful protests, and because the lyrics of

1090
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 6: their rap songs, we're talking about the injustices committed by

1091
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 6: this regime. That's like putting Kendrick Lamar, j Cole, you

1092
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 6: know nas any of your favorite rappers, Tupac when he

1093
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 6: was alive in jail because they were speaking of what

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00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 6: rep is, which is speaking of the injustice and the

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00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,760
Speaker 6: pain of your community and the people. And these guys

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00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 6: have been tortured in prison. I've been in touch with

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00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 6: their families. They don't hear from them, they don't have

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00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 6: a trial date. They've been in solitary confinement for over

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00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 6: two hundred and thirty days, which is by all international

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00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 6: standards human rights abuse.

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00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 5: This is psychological warfare and torture.

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00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 6: And this is what happens to any The two journalists

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00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 6: that broke this story of Massa Amini have been in

1104
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 6: prison facing charges that carry execution because they've been charged with, well,

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00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 6: you're a CIA agent, you're also a masad, you're with everybody, basically,

1106
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 6: and that they did this to start controversy in the country.

1107
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 6: So anybody that has a voice and has spoken out

1108
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 6: against this regime has been brutalized or killed or executed,

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00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 6: and this is all ongoing right now, and we need

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00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 6: everybody to continue to keep their eyes on it, and

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00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 6: we need all global leaders to continue to not just

1112
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 6: condemn through their words, but through their actions, to stop

1113
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 6: supporting this regime and for the UN to have done

1114
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 6: what they did, you know, after the two victories quote unquote,

1115
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 6: you know before that it's just disappointing, mind boggling and

1116
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 6: really angering and all of this. The most important thing

1117
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 6: I wanted everyone to know is that all of this

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00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 6: is still happening in Iran. Iranians have felt for the

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00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 6: forty four years, you know, because before the nineteen seventy

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Speaker 6: nine revolution, Iran was ruled under monarchy and different dynasties,

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00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 6: and we have thousands of years of history and culture.

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00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 6: This is a blip in our history, this forty four

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00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 6: years of you know, black dark oppression. And I want

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00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 6: people to understand that the Islamic regime does not represent

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00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 6: our people, our culture, or our history, and to not

1126
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 6: conflate them with the Iranian people, and that the main

1127
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 6: thing that they're asking for that's in all the protest

1128
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 6: chance is death to the dictator, death to the regime.

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00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 6: They want people to hear them to help them, to

1130
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 6: not help the regime and to not let the Islamic

1131
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 6: Republic get away with these crimes. And they're not going

1132
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 6: to stop for them, there's no going back. So they're like,

1133
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 6: we're going to keep doing this where the struggle, this

1134
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 6: fight is ongoing until the regime is gone.

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00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 4: For all these years since the Islamic Revolution, everybody in

1136
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 4: the States, everybody everywhere has been afraid, meaning we're scared

1137
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 4: to speak out because we don't know how our family

1138
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 4: is going to be affected, any rotten or anybody related

1139
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 4: to us. So a lot of us have kept quiet

1140
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 4: and because we just grew up with that fear of

1141
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 4: what we do and if we make a spectacle of ourselves,

1142
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 4: someone else is going to pay for it, and in

1143
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 4: ways that could be worse than death. The bravery knows

1144
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 4: any you put yourself out there in such a way.

1145
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 4: The work that people like nos Anying have done, like

1146
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 4: nos An, sorry, what are you on with that so

1147
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 4: many Iranians have done. This is not just like people

1148
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 4: speaking out, This is people breaking this. This these like

1149
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 4: chains of fear that have had all of us for

1150
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 4: years and years that we've not been able to speak

1151
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 4: out because we've been so scared. But now it's at

1152
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 4: the point where like.

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00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 5: There's nothing to lose.

1154
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 4: There's nothing to lose.

1155
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 5: They're going to torture and kill whether we stay quiet

1156
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 5: or not.

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00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 6: And for years they've gotten away with this because people

1158
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 6: haven't been this loud, and because there have been other people,

1159
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 6: unfortunately in the diaspora who have had platforms that have

1160
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 6: not painted an accurate picture of what life is like

1161
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 6: under the Islamic Republic have kind of whitewashed their crimes

1162
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 6: or oh, it's not that bad. You know, it's their rule,

1163
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 6: it's sovereignty, it's et cetera, et cetera. And it's like now, finally,

1164
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 6: more and more people are coming out and being like, no,

1165
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 6: this is the harsh reality of what life is like

1166
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,919
Speaker 6: under this regime. And you know, the people are saying

1167
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 6: they want this. This isn't just us coming and imposing

1168
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 6: our views. The people are literally screaming for freedom. We

1169
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 6: have to listen to them.

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Speaker 2: That's super I think important for our listeners to understand too,

1171
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: is that this isn't just two Iranians that are like, hey.

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Speaker 1: This is what we think.

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00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 2: This is the majority, the vast majority, how they feel

1174
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 2: and because of fear, they can't be a voice, especially

1175
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 2: in their own country, and so it's super important that

1176
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 2: people understand that's what a dictatorship is. It's oppression through fear. Absolutely,

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00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:19,240
Speaker 2: you can't stay silent. And you're both warriors in every

1178
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 2: sense of the word, just as much as me, just

1179
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 2: as much as my uncle, my grandfather, and I commend

1180
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 2: you both and anything we can do to help say.

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00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 4: The word this is amazing. This platform is amazing.

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00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just want to make sure that we convey

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00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 6: that bravery is the people of Iran because they're actually

1184
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,760
Speaker 6: putting their lives on the line. So I really feel

1185
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 6: like I'm not you know, I'm not being brave. I'm

1186
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 6: doing what I should do as a human and I

1187
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 6: don't run the risk of dying. And so I just

1188
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 6: want to make sure that it's you know, conveyed that

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00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 6: you know, they're the ones that deserve all the credit.

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Speaker 5: We're just trying to uplift them in the process.

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00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a twelve year old girl whose name I

1192
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 4: don't know, who is infinitely braver than I am.

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00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 2: Being someone with my background, and the word hero gets

1194
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 2: thrown around a lot, and I think it's completely lost

1195
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 2: the true meaning. We can agree to disagree on that

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00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 2: and that's okay. It's okay in this country. You're both

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00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 2: warriors in every sense.

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00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: Of the word.

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Speaker 5: We appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the people that are listening.

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00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 2: What is a good call to action that want to

1202
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 2: help and this fight for their greater good, that have

1203
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 2: been touched by this episode.

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00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: What can they do?

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00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 4: There's a few things that they can do immediately.

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00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 6: One is they can support legislation that's trying to be

1207
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 6: passed through Congress called the Massa Act, and they can

1208
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 6: support a companion bill being introduced in the Senate. They

1209
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 6: can pressure elected officials in the United States government to

1210
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 6: stop passing legislation or doing things that support and embolden

1211
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 6: the regime and ask them to do things that.

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00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 5: Support the people's movement for freedom.

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00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 6: In the EU countries, they can pressure their elected officials

1214
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 6: to designate the IRGC, which is the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corp,

1215
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 6: As a terrorist organization because that has a lot of

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00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 6: legal implications and that's wonderful thing that people can do.

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00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 6: The third thing is to in general, you know, request

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00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 6: from your local media outlets to cover Iran more, join

1219
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 6: a protest, follow Iranian human rights activists and advocates for

1220
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 6: up to date information share posts because social media actually

1221
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 6: does help. The Islamic Republic hates international attention on their

1222
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 6: human rights abuses and so to continue to keep that

1223
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 6: spotlight on them is great pressure the UN to take

1224
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 6: them off of this chair of the Social Forum which

1225
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 6: is supposed to start in September. And there's something called

1226
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 6: the End Gender Apartheid campaign that I'm very proudly advocating for.

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Speaker 6: There are signatories from human rights activists and attorneys inside

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Speaker 6: of Iran and Afghanistan, and it's to name what is

1229
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 6: happening to the people the women of Iran under the

1230
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 6: Islamic Republic and the women of Afghanistan under the Taliban

1231
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 6: as gender apartheid, which originated in South Africa and only

1232
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 6: refers to racial hierarchy and subjugation. So we're trying to

1233
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 6: make it legally enshrined as a term so that it

1234
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,439
Speaker 6: can be applied legally to these governments and hopefully end

1235
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 6: systems of gender apartheid around the world. So you can

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00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,919
Speaker 6: go to end Gender Apartheid dot today, add your name,

1237
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 6: share it with your networks, make sure that it goes

1238
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 6: global and one of the most recent signatories is Nelson

1239
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 6: Mandela's wife, Gresha Michelle, So that's a pretty big deal

1240
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,439
Speaker 6: and a very important person to have joined the fight.

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Speaker 5: So those are all things you guys can do immediately.

1242
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 4: I think also asking your government not to give these

1243
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 4: people sanctuary, not to give them and their relatives. They

1244
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 4: will flee you on some of them have already done

1245
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 4: it and they're scared. Don't give them a place to

1246
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 4: live and be safe and use the millions of dollars

1247
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 4: that they have gotten, millions. Who knows how much money

1248
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 4: they've gotten from the blood of the people.

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Speaker 6: Yep. Revoke those visas, travel ban them, don't allow them

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00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 6: to come to the States or to wherever you are.

1251
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Speaker 3: What does it mean to you to be able to

1252
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 3: speak your truth and use your voice because you have

1253
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 3: come to your parents rather came to America and you

1254
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 3: rebelled and both went into theater and now have the

1255
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 3: ability to be a voice for your home country.

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Speaker 6: When I started acting, I always look to other people

1257
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 6: in this realm that I always looked up to artists

1258
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 6: and entertainers, not just actors. Whether it was if we

1259
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 6: want to go back in history, someone like Muhammad Ali

1260
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 6: or Angelina Joli or just you know, Salma Hayek, anyone

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01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 6: who I always thought, you know, I don't want to

1262
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 6: just use my platform. I'm not trying to just be

1263
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 6: out here like wow, I'm I'm known, look at me,

1264
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Speaker 6: I'm on.

1265
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 5: You know.

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01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 6: I want to use whatever platform I can gain from

1267
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 6: what I do for a profession to draw attention to

1268
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 6: human rights abuses. So, you know, talking about what's happening

1269
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 6: in America, but obviously always using that as a platform

1270
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 6: to talk about what's happening in my home country, and

1271
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 6: I try to bring it into whatever I do in

1272
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 6: my own art and trying to educate the masses. But

1273
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 6: in a way that's like appealing to a Western An

1274
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 6: audience to get them to stay engaged and listen. But

1275
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 6: to me, it's like probably the most important aspect of

1276
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 6: this career path is also using whatever platform you have,

1277
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 6: whatever quote unquote connections you make to people that can

1278
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 6: also help in these ways in different sectors of society,

1279
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 6: and get them to pay attention to careen, to listen,

1280
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 6: and actually work with people and organizations that can make

1281
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 6: a change in this world. So I think we have

1282
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 6: that responsibility and duty as artists to give back to

1283
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 6: the world and make it as much of a better

1284
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 6: place as we can. And I'll always be using it

1285
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 6: to be loud and proud about Iran and to try

1286
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 6: to help however I can to make sure the people

1287
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 6: get what they're asking for, which is freedom.

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Speaker 4: I never thought I would have the opportunity to help.

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01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 4: I've been so separate. People don't necessarily see me as Iranian.

1290
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 4: What I do pales in comparison to what I do

1291
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 4: is you know, reposts on Instagram and to Twitter. It

1292
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 4: pales in comparison to what like now as that Nana

1293
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 4: is doing, to what the girls in Iran are doing,

1294
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 4: to what everybody is doing. But you know, there was

1295
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 4: one do you remember early on that video that was

1296
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 4: put together I think by you, by Arian moy Yet, Yes,

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01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 4: of getting a whole bunch of people, of getting a

1298
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 4: whole bunch of celebrities together to like to put their

1299
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 4: voice in and I for the first time, just did

1300
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 4: anything Iranian on camera at the very end of it.

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Speaker 4: You know, my dad saw that, and like I said,

1302
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 4: all these years, we've always been so scared to put

1303
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 4: our names and our opinions out, and my dad thinked me,

1304
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 4: which you know, he when he was here, he had

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Speaker 4: written some things against the Islamic Revolution. His name was published.

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Speaker 4: He was never able to go back. My dad thing

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Speaker 4: to me and then started telling me of the things

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Speaker 4: that he did and that he tried to do, you know,

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Speaker 4: to help. And I just never thought my modicum of

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Speaker 4: celebrity is that I could use that to do anything.

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Speaker 4: Is kind of floors me. And I tell you what,

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Speaker 4: for somebody who's been known as sometimes known as a

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Speaker 4: funny person, my instagram is a downer.

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Speaker 6: But.

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Speaker 4: It's got a lot of information just anything that and

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Speaker 4: you know, the people that wouldn't necessarily follow me aren't

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Speaker 4: the people that would necessarily get that kind of information.

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Speaker 4: So just that I have the opportunity to do anything,

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Speaker 4: I never thought in my life that I would get that.

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Speaker 4: And it makes me feel almost like all these things

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Speaker 4: that I never thought would happened might actually.

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Speaker 3: It happen.

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Speaker 4: I might get to go to my father's like tribal

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Speaker 4: land with him. I might get to see my aunts

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Speaker 4: who I've never seen before in my life. I might

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Speaker 4: get to go to my grandmother's grave, and I never

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Speaker 4: thought I'd be able to do that. Sorry, yanked, So

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Speaker 4: all these things it means. It just means the possible.

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Speaker 4: There are now possibilities that there weren't before.

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Speaker 1: And that's what you know. We were meeting with someone.

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Speaker 2: She said something to me that was really profound and

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Speaker 2: I've thought about ever since, and I've said it and

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Speaker 2: I've repeated this probably a dozen times since she told me.

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Speaker 2: And she's ninety six years young, and she looked at

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Speaker 2: me and she said, you know what, Jake, three million

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Speaker 2: dollars is great, but you can change the world with

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Speaker 2: three million people.

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Speaker 5: That's true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it totally paunched me in my soul and

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Speaker 2: I was like, God, she's so right. There's power in numbers.

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Speaker 2: And if we could all just understand we all bleed

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Speaker 2: grid in the same way. You know, we're all connected

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Speaker 2: by default. Whether you want to believe it or not.

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Speaker 2: I don't give a shit. That's not happenstance. We're all connected. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And if we could just lean in, like we could imagine.

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Speaker 1: The power that we would have.

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Speaker 6: And that's what dictators are scared of too. Yeah, is

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Speaker 6: us uniting and actually coming together and instead of having

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Speaker 6: these differences between us, understanding that you know, uniting for

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Speaker 6: these common purposes is going to be beneficial to us.

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Speaker 6: And you know, that's obviously why dictators like to keep

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Speaker 6: everybody at strife and apart. But like, yeah, what you

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Speaker 6: said about the three million, you know, imagine three million

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Speaker 6: people coming together for a cause, like the possibilities are infinite.

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Speaker 1: And that's why.

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Speaker 2: The last forty four years, something tells me that the

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Speaker 2: next four before we're going to look a lot different.

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Speaker 5: I believe it.

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Speaker 2: Because I believe in the resilience of the human race,

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Speaker 2: and I believe in the resilience of the greater good,

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Speaker 2: and especially the.

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Speaker 1: Fight for the greater good.

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Speaker 2: I truly believe in it, and I'm hopeful and I

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Speaker 2: will die hopeful because even an inch of progress is

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Speaker 2: progress in the right direction.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I just want to point out right now

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Speaker 4: that I was completely correct in the beginning when I

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Speaker 4: said that I would be the amiba emotionalness and knows

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Speaker 4: I need it, would be the eloquent one with actual information.

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Speaker 5: You are eloquent as well.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. I just want to take my victories where

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Speaker 4: I can get them. I'd point them out.

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Speaker 3: Artemis, Pep Danny and Nazini Nor ladies, thank you so

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Speaker 3: much for joining us. Thank you for telling us You're truth.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for using your voices in this fight for

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Speaker 3: freedom and really filling us in and helping us see

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Speaker 3: the beautiful people of Iran and what they're going through.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for being part of the good Stuff.

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Speaker 1: You have so much more power.

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Speaker 2: And strength and resilience than you think, and you are

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Speaker 2: making such a bigger impact than you may or may

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Speaker 2: not think. And I want you to know not to

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Speaker 2: stop burn. Your pain and your fear burn. It is

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Speaker 2: fuel to take more ground. That's what gladiators do, and

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Speaker 2: you're both gladiators.

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Speaker 6: Thank you for having us on and for giving a

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Speaker 6: voice to the voiceless.

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Speaker 4: You made all of us cry.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that was great.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, ladies. Thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 3: If this episode touched you today, please share it and

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Speaker 3: be part of making someone else's day better.

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Speaker 1: Hold on your badass capes like Artemis and Nazennin.

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Speaker 2: Fight for what you believe in and go be great today,

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Speaker 2: and remember you can't do epic self without epic people.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to the good Stuff.

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Speaker 3: The Good Stuff is executive produced by Ashley Shick, Jacob Schick,

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Speaker 3: Leah Pictures and q Code Media, Hosted by Ashley Shick,

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Speaker 3: and Jacob Schick. Produced by Nick Cassolini and Ryan Kantz

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Speaker 3: House post production supervisor Will Tindi. Music editing by Will

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