1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast Day 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,079 Speaker 1: and Paranormal Podcast Network, where we offer you podcasts of 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 1: the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Get ready now for 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: Beyond Contact with Captain Ron. 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 7 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 8 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 2: to Coast AM, employees of Premier Networks, or their sponsors 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact, 12 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news and you discuss some of 13 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 3: the classic cases and bring you the latest information from 14 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 3: the newest cases as we talk with the top experts. 15 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 4: Welcome back to another episode of Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, 16 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 4: and today we're going to be speaking with Thomas Jane. 17 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 4: Thomas is an actor, director, and producer who's had an 18 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 4: incredible acting career, appearing in well over fifty movies and 19 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 4: TV shows. He's also a triple Golden Globe nominee. For 20 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 4: the comedy series hung He's with us today because he 21 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 4: just about completed his nonfiction book, A Humans Guide to 22 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 4: Advanced Visiting Aliens. More than that, he's genuinely dove into 23 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 4: this material and is incredibly well versed on the topic 24 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 4: and he's got many great insights. Hey, Thomas, how you doing. 25 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 5: I'm doing great, Ron, It's nice to be here. 26 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 4: Thanks. 27 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 5: I'm glad we got to do this. 28 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I am too. 29 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 5: Did you Is the book done? Where are we at 30 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 5: with the book? The book is being edited now. I'm 31 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 5: completing that. I'm actually going to take a two week 32 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 5: sabbatical in the beginning of September and where I'm just 33 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 5: going to do nothing but do that, you know, and 34 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 5: wrapping up press on my show Tropo, which is now 35 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 5: number four on Prime Video. 36 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. 37 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 5: So in between that and so I just said, I 38 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 5: got to get I got to like clear out the 39 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 5: decks and just get some time in front of the computer. 40 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 5: And I'm doing that at the end of the month. 41 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 4: Okay. Cool. So it was in twenty twenty four. Was 42 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 4: that your first experience at a UFO conference, coming to 43 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 4: contact in the desert? What'd you think of that? 44 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 5: I was number one? Yeah, I didn't know what to expect. Yeah, 45 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 5: but I got to tell you, I'm not sure that 46 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 5: the other conventions or conferences can beat that one. That 47 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 5: was relaxed. Everyone felt comfortable. There's a lot of people 48 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 5: to talk to. The people that just show up for 49 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 5: the conference, they're all fascinating. They've all been into this 50 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 5: stuff for years and all, you know, and you've got 51 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 5: the whole gamut from selling the crystal skulls in the 52 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 5: on the tables and listening to Avi Lobe. So it's 53 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 5: a really great I had a blast. 54 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 4: It's fun that, you know, we have the whole building, 55 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 4: so everybody there that you talk to is part of 56 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 4: the community, and you could talk to anybody. Anybody there 57 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 4: has something to say about this topic. Either they're new 58 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 4: to it, or they've had an experience, or they're interested 59 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 4: for one reason or another. Right, It really makes it 60 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 4: a fascinating unique thing. Some of these other conferences I've 61 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 4: gone to, you know, they're like in the middle of 62 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 4: a casino or whatever. There's a thousand other things happening 63 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 4: and it's just kind of like you can't find your people. 64 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 4: This is you know, all your people. We've all made 65 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 4: a pilgrimage to that location. 66 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, they take over the whole resort. The resort's gorgeous. 67 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 5: I was pleasantly surprised, and how much fun I had. 68 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 4: That's good. Glad to hear it. Man. So you clearly 69 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 4: have taken a deep dive into the subject, and I 70 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 4: really appreciate a lot of your perspectives on it. I 71 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 4: thought your lecture was outstanding, by the way, Thank you. 72 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 4: It sounds like you started with the idea that UFOs 73 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 4: weren't even real at all, that you actually thought it 74 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 4: was like made up by Hollywood or something, right, That. 75 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 5: Was my first impression. 76 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. 77 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 5: I remember there was a TV show based on Project 78 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 5: Blue Book back in the seventies or something, and at 79 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 5: the end of every episode it would always be a 80 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 5: weather balloon or you know, a be caught in them 81 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 5: between two panes of glass, and I bought it. And 82 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 5: then when the flying saucer stuff, I thought that flying 83 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 5: saucers versus the Earth, just like every other Hollywood creation, monster, 84 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 5: space alien, that's what it was. I mean, they even 85 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 5: looked really simple. It kind of looked low budget, you know, 86 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 5: because they were just these saucers like placed on end. 87 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 5: You're like Okay, yeah, that sets perfect Hollywood right exactly. 88 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 4: So we are, we're both on the HDA board, and 89 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,679 Speaker 4: I think we would both agree. I'll let you speak 90 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 4: for yourself, but I think we would agree that Hollywood 91 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 4: does an awful job at how they deal with the 92 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 4: subject of UFO is an alien life. In just one example, 93 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 4: I'll give you take the Travis Walton case, which I 94 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 4: think is an excellent case. I've got a lot of 95 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 4: experience with Travis directly. It's a very credible case. He's 96 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 4: a good guy. Here. We have this amazing story of 97 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 4: this guy and his co workers who came across this 98 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 4: UFO and he goes aboard the ship. And yet when 99 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 4: they make the story, they make the film Fire in 100 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 4: the Sky, they have to change everything. It frustrated Travis, 101 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 4: it frustrated me, and I even spoke to Tracy tore Me, 102 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 4: the director of that film, and to a degree, he 103 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 4: wanted to do it differently. So why why is this 104 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 4: story not incredible enough that we can't take it word 105 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 4: for word out of Travis's mouth? I mean, talk about 106 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 4: a story that doesn't need embellishing. It should be that one. 107 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 5: I think that there's a kind of momentum that Hollywood has. 108 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 5: In other words, if something has worked in the past, 109 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 5: producers who are going to give you millions of dollars 110 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 5: are trying to ensure that they get their money back. 111 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 5: So if anything has worked before, then that's what they 112 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 5: want to imitate. And they'll, you know, they'll mix it up, 113 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 5: you know, they'll put a little more vegetables, a little 114 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 5: less meat, but it's the same dish. And that's what 115 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 5: happens with Fire. And this guy actually work with the 116 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 5: director of Fire and this guy he did an episode 117 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 5: of The Traces did he directed an episode of the 118 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 5: expanse All and we got to talk about the show, 119 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 5: and I remember him being frustrated. You know, the directors 120 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 5: are caught in the same spot that the script writers are. 121 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 5: You know, it's you're serving a master. And until we 122 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 5: have a film that makes a lot of money that 123 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 5: is true to the events as we understand them to be, 124 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 5: this will continue. I think we're at an inflection point now, though. 125 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 5: I think that the subject is getting more attention than 126 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 5: it's ever gotten before in a way that it's never 127 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 5: gotten before, thanks to the Internet, thanks to social media, 128 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 5: thanks to the dissemination of information that is happening in 129 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 5: the world today. I think we're right for a change 130 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 5: and this hopefully with the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance and interested 131 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 5: writers and directors, we can finally break through. 132 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 4: There's no doubt that there's more interest in this topic now, 133 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 4: there's more just in general about this topic in the 134 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 4: real world. But don't you think the Hollywood itself that 135 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 4: the industry has changed with streaming services and everything to 136 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 4: make one of these movies. That's why we're seeing so 137 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 4: many sequels, right, We're seeing a lot of sequels. We're 138 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 4: seeing less movies made, therefore their bigger budgets. I think 139 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 4: it's harder and harder to get one of these real 140 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 4: stories made today, wouldn't you agree. 141 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 5: I think that if we look back at the history 142 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 5: of Hollywood, sequels have always been a thing, you know, 143 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 5: and they ebb and flow like everything else. We're still 144 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 5: living in the Marvel universe, and that's finally starting to 145 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 5: lose its grip a little bit, which again usually makes 146 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 5: room for something else to come in and take its place. 147 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 5: It's cyclical, for sure. We're always looking for great stories. 148 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 5: We're always looking for a great script and a great 149 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 5: story to tell. The truth is those are rare and 150 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 5: everything else is kind of filler. That's why when you know, 151 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 5: look back at any given year nineteen fifty, there'll be 152 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 5: seven films are really memorable out of the hundreds that 153 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 5: came out that year, and that's true of every year. 154 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, how about has Renegade Entertainment ever thought about taking 155 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 4: on this subject? Have you seen any of those come 156 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 4: across with us? 157 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 5: Absolutely? Yeah, and I'm starting to see those come across 158 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 5: my desk. Now, there's a couple of really interesting stories 159 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 5: that I think would be really fun to tell. First, 160 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 5: there's always a remake of the Travis Walton story. I 161 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 5: think that that would be phenomenal. He's ever wanting to 162 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 5: do that for I know, Yeah, he's poor guy. I 163 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 5: feel for him because I think that, yeah, he wants 164 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 5: to get he wants people to see it the way 165 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 5: that he experienced it. It makes perfect sense, you know, 166 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 5: good for him. The other great story is Pascagoula nineteen 167 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 5: seventy three. Absolutely, Calvin Parker and Charles Hickson's that's a story. 168 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 4: No doubt of. You just lost him though, yep. 169 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 5: We did, but we have we have enough documented books 170 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 5: and stuff. Philip Mantle, of course, who has been really 171 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 5: instrumental in keeping that story alive. And the other story 172 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 5: that I really like is nineteen sixty six, Dale spar 173 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 5: and Barney Neff. There were two cops who actually saw UFO, 174 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 5: and that UFO somehow stayed with them as they chased 175 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 5: it in their cop cars eighty six miles through two states, 176 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 5: calling everybody. The whole police force was a buzz with this, 177 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 5: so much that so that it became headline news Project 178 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 5: blue Book. Quintin Nella had to be brought in interviewing everybody. 179 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 5: Heinek was there. I mean, it was sort of a 180 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 5: peak event in the Project blue Book sort of saga 181 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 5: which would then be shut down three or four years later, 182 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 5: right jail Sparr basically lost his mind after that, he 183 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 5: got hit with a sledgehammer. He woke up one dude 184 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 5: and went to bed another, and that other dude that 185 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 5: he woke up with one day, he was never the same. 186 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 5: His wife left him, you know, he got fired, He 187 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 5: ended up living in a shack. He got destroyed, you know, 188 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 5: because he became that cop that saw the UFO when 189 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 5: nobody almost nobody believed him. 190 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 4: You know, especially back then. 191 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, that's a that's a peak story because it's 192 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 5: the confluence of the phenomena and human society, right, And 193 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,479 Speaker 5: that's interesting, that confluence where the two meet. The phenomena 194 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 5: which is what it is, and then how we deal 195 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 5: with it, interpret it, ridicule it, and then the effect 196 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 5: that that has on real experiencers that have seen something 197 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 5: that nobody believes is true. That's a good story. 198 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 4: Absolutely. When we come back, we're going to talk more 199 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 4: with Thomas Jane about what made him interested in this topic. 200 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 4: You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast 201 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 4: to Coast AM paranormal podcast network. 202 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 6: Hey folks, we need your music. 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I'm sure you've seen 230 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 4: these accounts of how people's lives get turned upside down. 231 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 4: They lose their job, they get divorced, they've had a 232 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 4: normal job. You know, they had a normal life or 233 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 4: an accountant. They're forty eight years old, they've got the 234 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 4: same life, and then all of a sudden, this experience happens. Yeah, 235 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 4: the whole thing falls apart. 236 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 5: You're putting in a tough spot because if you've seen 237 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 5: something that is dead real, right, and you don't understand 238 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 5: and it's obvious some sort of futuristic technology. Sometimes they 239 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 5: see alien beings and it's not a dream, and then 240 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 5: you have to somehow integrate that experience with the world 241 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 5: that you live in, and the world that you live 242 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 5: in knows absolutely nothing about that. But some people feel 243 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 5: an obligation. In my opinion, most people just keep their 244 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 5: mouths shut, but some people the experience is so overwhelming 245 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 5: that they feel an obligation, like Charles Hickson, like, hey man, 246 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 5: this might be the beginning of war of the world's 247 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 5: or something. Is there more of them out there? Is 248 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 5: this going to start happening to other people? They have 249 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 5: no idea, so they feel an obligation and go to 250 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 5: the Air Force and go to the cops and go, look, man, 251 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 5: I don't know what's going on, but this has happened 252 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 5: to me, And they feel like they're doing their civic 253 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 5: duty and then all hell breaks loose. 254 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 4: I think they are. I think of these people as heroes. 255 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 4: Good for them coming forward and stepping up and doing that. 256 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 4: I mean, I think most people, certainly back in the 257 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 4: day wouldn't have done it. It's a little bit more 258 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 4: open now. I think it would be a little less 259 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 4: slightly less ridicule from someone coming forward with a story 260 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 4: like this, but it's still tough. Yeah. 261 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 5: There's a guy named Aaron Schultz who I talk about 262 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 5: in my Contact in the Desert lecture. So he came 263 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 5: out on Twitter, you know, and his experiences happened to 264 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 5: him in the nineties, but because of the attention that 265 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 5: the phenomenon started to receive, he felt like he could 266 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 5: add something to the conversation by relaying his He has 267 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 5: three abduction experiences that he remembers without he's never done hypnosis, 268 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 5: but he's lived with this since he was nine years old, right, 269 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 5: and tried to learn about it. But then, you know, 270 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 5: we get congressional hearings about UFOs and the guy's like, well, 271 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 5: here's my experience. And he has taken a lot of 272 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 5: shit on Twitter. But also he has supporters. There's a 273 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 5: lot of people probably more than ever who take his 274 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 5: account seriously. But he's a hero. The guy is brave 275 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 5: enough to come out and tell the truth about something 276 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 5: that happened to him. All those guys are here heroic. 277 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 4: I feel the same way. I agree. I feel thank 278 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 4: God for them for coming forward with that. You know, 279 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 4: you and I are pretty well versed in We've read 280 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 4: the books, we've met the people, we've interviewed people, we've 281 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 4: talked to people we know about this topic. If I 282 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 4: woke up and found one of these beings at my bed, 283 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 4: my head would still explode. I wouldn't know how to 284 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 4: deal with that. Oh, absolutely, And I'm embedded in this community. 285 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 4: It's still an overwhelming experience. That's true. 286 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 5: That's very true. I think about that too myself, you know, 287 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 5: and I'd probably be terrifying, but I'd also be, you know, 288 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 5: utterly fascinated. And I would give anything to have a 289 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 5: close encounter, you know, to see a UFO that's close 290 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 5: enough that I could see the material that it was 291 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 5: made out of. 292 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 4: Oh, a ship. I'm fine. You and I we talked 293 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 4: before we came on here that I feel we're very 294 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 4: aligned in this. Here's what we differ. Thomas there's no 295 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 4: way I want to see the being the ship. I 296 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 4: think would be great if a ship came up right 297 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 4: outside of the window, I'd be fine with that. I 298 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 4: do not want to wake up with a big ied 299 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 4: being at the end of my bed. I do not 300 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 4: want that. 301 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 5: I would be fascinated to just try to get a 302 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 5: look at what their biology really is, if you can 303 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 5: even call it biology, whether they're biosynthetic organisms or they're 304 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 5: you know, natural born creatures from another planet or something else. 305 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 5: I mean, I would be fascinated. I've always tried to 306 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 5: go through abductee accounts. They're pretty good. Up until now, 307 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 5: we've just had basically police sketch drawings. Some of them 308 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 5: are better than others, so you get a kind of 309 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 5: an idea, but it's always an artist's interpretation, right. But 310 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 5: to see the skin, to see how the musculature is 311 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 5: put together, to see what kind of frame that musculature 312 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 5: hangs on, to just get a glimpse at that alien biology, 313 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 5: you know, and that. 314 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 4: Rminator kind of being. Is there flesh on mechanics? Is 315 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 4: it right? Is it? Yeah? Yeah? 316 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 5: And I think that any biologist or scientists would lose 317 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 5: their minds to study this phenomena, if we can just 318 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 5: get them over the hump, the sociological hump of actually 319 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 5: taking a chance and taking it seriously. I think a 320 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 5: lot of people do privately. In fact, I know scientists 321 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 5: do privately to be able to study this and to 322 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 5: submit papers and to get feedback and peer review. That's 323 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 5: what we need. 324 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 4: It's remarkable how often, I mean, I still talk to people. 325 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 4: I've met people that work at NASA, for example, and 326 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 4: they fully believe in all of this. They don't come 327 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 4: out publicly with it, which is interesting. They like their jobs, 328 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 4: you know, yeah, exactly of all places you can't come 329 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 4: out and talk about it. So you've delved into this 330 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 4: subject matter pretty heavily. What was it that pushed you 331 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 4: over the edge into thinking, you know what, there's really 332 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 4: something to this. 333 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 5: In twenty eleven, I had an experience that I don't 334 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 5: talk about, but that I couldn't explain, and I've kept 335 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 5: it under my hat for almost fifteen years, doing the 336 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 5: research privately. Like everyone else with an interest in this 337 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,959 Speaker 5: thing outside of the UFO researchers who make it their 338 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 5: business to do so. For me, it was just an 339 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 5: all encompassing hobby, a side project that eventually grew. The 340 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 5: most amazing thing about it is how much information there 341 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 5: is out there. I've been doing this for fifteen years 342 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 5: and I still have only scratched the surface. It's just 343 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 5: such a complex, deep, all encompassing subject that touches on 344 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 5: every aspect of human existence and existence itself. So that 345 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 5: list led to me to start taking notes, and then 346 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 5: the notes led to paragraphs, and that led to some chapters, 347 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 5: and before I knew it, I had a book. Actually 348 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 5: have two books on the topic. Yeah, so the first 349 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 5: one I'm editing and then the second one. After that 350 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 5: one comes out, I'll start editing the second one. 351 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 4: Awesome. When you were looking into this research, did you 352 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 4: have a favorite case, what's the strongest evidence that you 353 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 4: felt you saw in someone else's work and you said, oh, 354 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 4: this is what's the point too. 355 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 5: Well, I've been affected by quite a number of different 356 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 5: books and researchers, but I guess the one that really 357 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 5: caught my imagination the most was David Jacob's work with 358 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 5: abductees and the hybrid breeding program. Now, a common misconception 359 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 5: is that the gray alien is all there is that 360 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 5: were being visited by aliens. They're gray and they like 361 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 5: to abduct people and apparently have something to do with 362 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,719 Speaker 5: sexual reproduction and all that crap. That's just a sliver 363 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 5: of the actual phenomenon. I would direct people to Preston 364 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 5: Dennet's work, who has a YouTube channel. 365 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 4: Every Friday. 366 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 5: Preston Dnnet on YouTube Every Friday, he'll do ten or 367 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 5: so contact cases. He combs through the literature, going all 368 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 5: the way back as far as the literature goes, and 369 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 5: selects different contact cases and puts those together. He's got 370 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 5: alien encounters. You know, there's a few gray alien stuff 371 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 5: in there, but the rest is completely almost unique. You know. 372 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 5: Some of these aliens you'll see described repeatedly. A lot 373 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 5: of them you've never seen before or been described before. 374 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 5: So you're like, where are these little dudes coming from? 375 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 5: Some of them are so little. Some of them are 376 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 5: two meters tall. Basically, you go from about thirty centimeters 377 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 5: to about two meters, and that's sort of the range 378 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 5: you know that I do. I'm like, why is that? 379 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,719 Speaker 5: Why don't we see little three inch dudes? 380 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 4: You know? 381 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 5: Right, So that's the range. It seems to be about 382 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 5: two feet to two meters. Most of them fall between 383 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 5: three and a half to five or six, right, But 384 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 5: then you've got a few outliers. So that's fascinating. Does 385 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 5: that have something to do with habitable planets? And they're 386 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 5: the gravitational pull of different planets. A planet that's too small, 387 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 5: it doesn't create intelligent life. A planet is too big. 388 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 5: You know, there's too much. 389 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 4: That person's interpretation and their account, you know, their recounting 390 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 4: of the story has to factor. 391 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 5: You have to get into all that. But it's interesting, 392 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 5: you know. So say you're dealing with one hundred cases 393 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 5: and seventy five percent of them don't get the height 394 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 5: exactly right. But when you put them all together, you're 395 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 5: going to get a range. You know, one person's account 396 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 5: might not be the whole truth, but when you get 397 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 5: one hundred people's accounts, you start putting that together, you 398 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 5: start to narrow in on sort of like, you know, 399 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 5: well the guy wasn't three hundred and fifty pounds, you know, 400 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 5: the guy with the gun and you're testifying. You know, 401 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 5: well he wasn't a big fat dude. 402 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 3: You know. 403 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 5: But you'll get a range and you'll be able to 404 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 5: zero in on absolutely or break here. 405 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 4: When we come back on beyond contact, we'll pick this 406 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 4: up with Thomas Jane. 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Yeah, it's interesting how 427 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 4: people have these different and interpretations of what's happened to them. 428 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 4: Not only do they see different beings and different entities, 429 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 4: which all may be true or may may not be true, 430 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 4: but they also are seeing it through their own paradigm lens. 431 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 4: You know a lot of these guys, maybe they have 432 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 4: a religious overtone and they might consider it a spiritual being, 433 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 4: or some people might think it's, you know, a demon 434 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 4: or whatever. They all have their own sort of view on. 435 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 5: It, right, right, right, right, that's right. Yeah, that the 436 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 5: fish bowl that humanity sees reality through is limited. It's 437 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 5: incredibly limited. We only see a little bit of the truth. 438 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 5: Donald Hoffman, you know, the brand guy. He says, where 439 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 5: we've been tuned to survival, we pick up on what's 440 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 5: most important to our survival. You know, if you took 441 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,479 Speaker 5: the electromagnetic spectrum and you rolled it out as a 442 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 5: roll of thirty five millimeter film, and you started in 443 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,959 Speaker 5: Los Angeles and rolled it all the way to New 444 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 5: York City, the visible light spectrum in that role of 445 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 5: film would be one frame. 446 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 4: Oh my god. 447 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 5: So we're already these tiny little receivers that receive a 448 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 5: very specific radio channel, and then we have to interpret 449 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 5: that radio channel, right, So that's two layers of obfuscation. 450 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 5: We can only see a little bit, we can only 451 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 5: hear a little bit. There's only there's limits to what 452 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 5: we can observe. And then what we do observe is 453 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 5: limited again by our education, by our belief system, by 454 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 5: a whole host of other things. If we woke up 455 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 5: pissed off of your wife that morning, all these different 456 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 5: things have an effect. So again, I think that taking 457 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 5: the bulk of the information that we have and trying 458 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 5: to filter it out, filter it into, I think that'll 459 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 5: get us closer to what's actually going on than any 460 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 5: one specific case exactly. 461 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 4: You mentioned doctor David Jacobs. I'll tell you what this 462 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 4: I think is. He's not as recognized or known as 463 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 4: I think he should be. I feel he's one of 464 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 4: the top important people in this community. I think he's 465 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,719 Speaker 4: done incredible work because you know, he does have data, 466 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 4: as Richard Martinez says, you know you can pull data 467 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 4: from objective data from subjective comments. If you ask everybody 468 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 4: the same question, so you know, he sees the same 469 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 4: exact accounts with repeating the exact same story. You know, 470 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 4: his research is I think incredibly valuable. 471 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 5: I think it's some of the best we have, you know. 472 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 5: I think John Mack of course did his own work, 473 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 5: and Bud Hopkins did his own work. Those are the 474 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 5: three giants. John Carpenter did great work, and Druffel. So 475 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 5: there's a lot of different people who are making contributions. 476 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 5: I think Jacobs, for me, is at the top of 477 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 5: the pile. You know, I agree, and he's an awesome guy. 478 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 5: I don't know if you ever had a chance to 479 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 5: talk to him. 480 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 4: I certainly have. He's got a very no nonsense approach 481 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 4: to this. He's like, yeah, it seems absolutely insane and ridiculous, 482 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 4: but just telling you that's what the data show is like. 483 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 4: He's matter of fact. 484 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 5: And at the beginning of his books he always says, 485 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 5: there is no world in which I am completely right 486 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 5: about any of this, you know, which I admire. He's 487 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 5: taking as objective an approach as can be done with 488 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 5: the tools that we have, and so I think there 489 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,959 Speaker 5: is something to what he's reporting. I think there is 490 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 5: a hybrid breeding program, as crazy as that sounds, and 491 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 5: I think we are in the middle of some sort 492 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 5: of operation program something. And my own failing is that 493 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 5: we're not the first that this is. This program that 494 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 5: we're interacting with or being engaged with, whether we like 495 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 5: it or not, is so detailed that it feels like 496 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,959 Speaker 5: it's been done hundreds or thousands of times before. 497 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 4: Agreed, and Jacobs points that out that this goes back generation, 498 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 4: generation generation, and it doesn't discriminate. It doesn't care where 499 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 4: you live on the planet. It doesn't care what your 500 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 4: income is, races, none of that. That's right. 501 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 5: The technology that they use, the ships, the equipment they 502 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 5: have on board, all of that points to me as 503 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 5: a program that they've done on other civilizations on other 504 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 5: planets who may or may not be at similar levels 505 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 5: of development than we are. So we're being engaged in 506 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 5: a program that doesn't begin and end with Planet Earth. 507 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 5: It's just another number. It's just another coordinate on their 508 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 5: map that's been circled and you know, targeted. 509 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 4: That's another interesting aspect of this. I didn't even think about. Yeah, 510 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 4: that's true, it could be going on in all these 511 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 4: other different things. 512 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 5: I think it must be. You know, it's completely possible 513 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 5: that we're the only ones. 514 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 4: But just feel you look at a math, there's no 515 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 4: possible way, and most most physicists will say that as well. 516 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 4: I mean, now we're just getting into the billions and 517 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 4: building millions of trillions of galaxy. I mean, it just 518 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 4: gets worse every time. 519 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 5: The odds are against the people who still hold out 520 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 5: for the rare Earth hypothesis, which was very popular in 521 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 5: the nineteen eighties and nineties, you know, because we didn't 522 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 5: have James Webb or the Hubble that time, we no 523 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 5: exo planets had been discovered. The leading theory among cosmologists 524 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 5: was the rare Earth hypothesis, which is there's way too 525 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 5: much fine tuning going on. There's way too many happenstance 526 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 5: events that have happened to create life on Earth. It's 527 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 5: way too hard, you know, when you look at it, 528 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 5: it's just like ridiculous. No, it's ridiculous that this happened randomly, right, 529 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 5: But that's what our best science said. This happened randomly, 530 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 5: this life thing, and then intelligence that hadn't happened randomly, 531 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 5: And I think we're still caught in this random loop. 532 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 5: But when you look at all the different species that 533 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 5: are visiting us. When you look at the abduction program 534 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 5: and say, this looks like part of a program that's 535 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 5: been very well rehearsed. That points to what you were 536 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 5: just saying, which is the idea that there are thousands 537 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 5: or hundreds of thousands of planets or maybe millions who knows, 538 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 5: with life on them that are developing intelligence. And if 539 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 5: that's true, then you have to say, well, why are 540 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 5: they interested in these these young civilizations that are just 541 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 5: learning about atomic nuclear physics, you know, that are that 542 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 5: are seemed to be on the cusp of artificial intelligence? 543 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 5: You know, goes to the Richard Dolan thing. Dolan thought 544 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 5: that we were part of a breakaway civilization. Anyway, it's 545 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 5: a program, it's been around for a long time. Why 546 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 5: why are they doing it? Why are they here? 547 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 4: You know? Well, Jacob says he has no idea, and 548 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 4: he's looked at seven thousand cases, so he you know, 549 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 4: it's like, right, we don't know. That's the problem. 550 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 5: And Dolan says, well, it's probably because we're on the 551 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 5: cusp of breaking into their sphere year or whatever that is, 552 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like we could be one 553 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 5: scientific revolution away from interstellar travel. 554 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 4: Well, listen, I think we are listen to this. I think, well, 555 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 4: I'm astually interstellar travel. But we are certainly one step 556 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 4: away from knowing more about these alien beings because as 557 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 4: we get each new technology. When we first got the 558 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 4: Wilson Telescope in nineteen twenties, we suddenly learned that what 559 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 4: we thought was the universe is in fact just our 560 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 4: little galaxy, and in fact, there are galaxies beyond ours, 561 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 4: and there's a whole universe out there. Then we get 562 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 4: the you know, Kepler, and we get James webs. Now 563 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 4: we have all this new knowledge, and I think we're 564 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 4: just going to have new technology that's going to reveal 565 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 4: the aliens to us. Because we learned to see in 566 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 4: the infrared. We never could see in the infrared before. 567 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 4: Maybe there's another spectrum or of vibration that we'll be 568 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 4: able to pick up on our future. 569 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 5: And it's so quick, you know, it was just like 570 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 5: less than one hundred years ago that we didn't even 571 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 5: know what a galaxy was. You're right, You're right. Probably 572 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 5: before we you know, start zipping around with interstellar machines, 573 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 5: we will learn that we are not alone and that 574 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 5: really is what we're on the cusp of, isn't it. 575 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 5: We're on the cusp of a neo Copernican revolution where 576 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 5: we will never be the same again. And now it 577 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 5: will be the before disclosure or and there's after disclosure 578 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 5: a D. Right, that's what the book is by by 579 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 5: Richard Dolan, A D after Disclosure. That's a completely different 580 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 5: universe you know that we will be living in and 581 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 5: it will be a major upheaval. 582 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 4: We have only known there are galaxies beyond ours for 583 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 4: less than one hundred years. It's incredible. We'll be right 584 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 4: back with Thomas Jane on Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio 585 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 4: and Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. 586 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 2: The Internet is an extraordinary resource that links our children 587 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 2: to a world of information, experiences, and ideas. It can 588 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 2: also expose them to risk. Teach your children the basic 589 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 2: safety rules of the virtual world. 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We're talking with Thomas 600 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 4: Jane here. Thomas, this is interesting stuff in it. It's 601 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 4: like as we learn more knowledge and we get more technology, 602 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 4: we have more access to more information, which I think 603 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 4: may actually one day be how we find out more 604 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 4: about these beings. 605 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 5: We are on the verge of a revolution. Our biggest 606 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 5: question is why are they here? And we can only 607 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 5: put clues together. It's we're like a detective trying to 608 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 5: solve a crime. You know, we have no idea, we 609 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 5: don't know, we don't have a suspect. All we have 610 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 5: are these events. We have potential suspects, we have unsubs 611 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 5: unidentified suspects, and we're trying to piece together what the 612 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 5: hell is going on. And I think that that's a 613 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 5: big clue. Where we are in our own technological evolution 614 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 5: is a clue. And if you think about it, aliens 615 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 5: have arrived at least eighty years before that disclosure moment, 616 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 5: which means that after that disclosure moment, when the world 617 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 5: understands when scientists understand because that for me, that's real disclosure. 618 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 5: When the scientists who study this stuff say we have 619 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 5: evidence of alien civilizations, we're not alone. 620 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:38,879 Speaker 4: Right. 621 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 5: I don't care about any president, I don't care about 622 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 5: any congressman, I don't care about Twitter. I care about 623 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 5: the cosmologists who study this for a living, and they 624 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 5: have to admit. Then we'll create a reassessment of all 625 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 5: the evidence that all the great UFO researchers have collected 626 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 5: for the past eighty years, and that will become some 627 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 5: of the most important body of evidence that humankind has 628 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 5: ever had, the UFO researchers and the heroes that have 629 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 5: done that kind of work up until now. 630 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,399 Speaker 4: Now, I know this is a complete unknown, But after 631 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 4: looking at so many first hand accounts as you have, 632 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 4: do you have an inclination as to what you might 633 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,800 Speaker 4: guess could be happening? Like do you think this is 634 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 4: an interplanetary beings coming here across the galaxy? Do you 635 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,919 Speaker 4: think they're from Earth maybe? Or the future? Or interdimensional 636 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 4: which seems to be the front running theories right now. 637 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 5: The only different dimension that I can think of that 638 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 5: science says exists the dimension that light lives in. A 639 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 5: photon will take one hundred thousand years to cross the 640 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 5: galaxy from our point of view Einsteinian at the speed 641 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 5: of light, space and time disappear. There is no time, 642 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 5: and there is no space at the speed of light, 643 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 5: and that's a measurable thing. It's three hundred thousand kilometers 644 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 5: a second from our point of view, but from photon's 645 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 5: point of view, there is no time between the point 646 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 5: of emission when a photon blasts out the Sun to 647 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 5: the point of absorption wherever it may land. So that 648 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 5: creates a dimension timeless and spaceless that I think that 649 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,399 Speaker 5: aliens might utilize to travel the stars because it would 650 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 5: literally be instantaneous, which is amazing because then the entire 651 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 5: universe is your oyster. 652 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 4: Perhaps that technology to do that. You know, we're limited 653 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 4: by what we can see with our vision as human beings, 654 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 4: that's how our spectrum is, and then we're limited by 655 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 4: our technology, which sees a little bit more than what 656 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:31,240 Speaker 4: we can see. 657 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 5: To answer your question, I think the most obvious answer 658 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 5: is probably the right one. That there are trillions of planets. 659 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,800 Speaker 5: It's like two hundred quintillion plants. 660 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 4: Oh, it's so insanely high. And you know what you 661 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 4: just brought up that we saw our first exo planet, 662 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 4: like what late eighties, nineties right in there, that was 663 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,879 Speaker 4: the first one. So before that, we never even thought 664 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 4: there were any planets out there. Then we found one, 665 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 4: then we found two. Keeps going up. Now it's believed 666 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 4: that for every star that we can see, I think 667 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 4: it's one, one in five will have an north like planet. 668 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 5: One in five we'll have a rocky planet, a rocky planet. 669 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 5: One in five stars out there have a rocky planet. 670 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 5: And then some percentage of those will be in the 671 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 5: Goldilock zone, and some percentage of those will have actually 672 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,280 Speaker 5: given birth to what we define as life. 673 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 4: Now, when you talk about the trillions of stars that 674 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 4: we know of, the math starts getting pretty likely that 675 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 4: there's intelligent life out here. Of course, the debates whether 676 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 4: or not it's been here exactly, and how in the 677 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 4: world they would do that. 678 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 5: You know, I mean, for a long time it's nothing 679 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,760 Speaker 5: can travel at the speed of light. Well, yeah, nothing 680 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 5: physical can travel at the speed of light, but light 681 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 5: travels at the speed of light. So if there was 682 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 5: a way to convert regular matter into photonic substance and 683 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 5: then back again, and this might be why we hear 684 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 5: reports of UFOs breaking into two pieces merging back together 685 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,399 Speaker 5: when some people enter a UFO, that the UFO will 686 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 5: be thirty meters across and inside it will be the 687 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 5: size of a football field. They obviously can play with matter, space, 688 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 5: and time in ways that we can't fathom. It might 689 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 5: be why UFOs appear to blink out of existence faster 690 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 5: than the eye can follow. There's a lot of evidence 691 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 5: pointing to the fact that they may have technology like 692 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 5: that that can somehow convert matter into light and back again. 693 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,359 Speaker 4: Where these guys talk about folding space that they're not 694 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 4: really transversing that distance. They're folding space right, doing a 695 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 4: wormhole thing. So maybe they have the technology to do that. 696 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 4: And it's not a long journey. When people say you 697 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 4: can't get there from here because it would take us 698 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 4: one hundred years to get there or whatever, that makes 699 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 4: no sense to me because that's just going on the 700 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 4: rockets that we have today. 701 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's Stanton Friedman. He tore that apart. 702 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 4: He looked great with that. 703 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 5: You know, he's one of the heroes of ufology because 704 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 5: he just ripped that to shreds as a nuclear physicist. 705 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was awesome. There's enough evidence of something going 706 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 4: on here to warrant more scientific investoration of these claims. 707 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 5: I think it's the only thing that's going on that 708 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 5: truly warrants more scientific investigation. Look, science itself has been 709 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 5: at a standstill for fifty years. Okay, we have made 710 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 5: zero progress in physics. I mean we've lost sight of 711 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 5: the real problems of physics, you know, one of which 712 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 5: is why the hell does time and space disappear at 713 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 5: three hundred thousand kilometers a second? What's going on there? 714 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 4: What happened to three oh one? 715 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 5: Exactly? 716 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,320 Speaker 4: That's good stuff, Thomas. I want to get your thoughts 717 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 4: on what you think our government might know, and if 718 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 4: you'll indulge me for just a second here, I wanted 719 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 4: to kind of run through a couple of these things 720 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 4: for you. They have this huge history of what certainly 721 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,839 Speaker 4: appears to be intentional denial of any knowledge of ET 722 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 4: life or UFOs, going back to nineteen forty eight, Project 723 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,399 Speaker 4: sign forty nine had Project Grunge, and then we had 724 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 4: Project Blue Book of course for seventeen years, and then 725 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 4: there was these other series of reports that came out 726 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 4: in fifty three we had the Robertson Panel, then the 727 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 4: Content Committee, and in sixty eight leave not to mention 728 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,880 Speaker 4: the nonsense that they put out about Roswell. In forty 729 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 4: seven it was a weather balloon, and in ninety four 730 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 4: it was Project Mogul, and then in ninety seven it 731 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 4: was a parachute crash test dummy, all of which do 732 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 4: not seem to be true. So then we finally get 733 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 4: some actual information in twenty seventeen when they said that 734 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 4: the a TIP program, the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, 735 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 4: was made public, admitting that they were in fact looking 736 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 4: into these aerial phenomena. Then in twenty twenty one, the 737 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 4: Director of National Intelligence released reports saying we cannot explain 738 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 4: one hundred and forty three of these one hundred and 739 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 4: forty four UAP cases. So we get to twenty twenty 740 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 4: four and this new department ARROW, the All Domain Anomaly 741 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,800 Speaker 4: Resolution Office, is finally going to give us some information. 742 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 4: And what happens even though all these things happen in 743 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 4: twenty seventeen, and even though all these people gave them 744 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 4: all this information, they come out and say there's no 745 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 4: evidence of anything at all being extraterrestrial. It could have 746 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 4: at least said we can't explain everything, but they didn't. 747 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 4: They went the other way. To me exposes them as 748 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 4: merely a proper Ganda organization. 749 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 5: What do you think, Well, that's exactly what they are. 750 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 5: They're doing their job. They're trying to put the toothpaste 751 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 5: back into the tube. Government, the control, the structures of control, right, 752 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 5: the pillars of power that run this world and have 753 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 5: run the world for the last two thousand years. You know, 754 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 5: we're still living under a rain. You know, there are 755 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 5: kings and queens. Now it's a money rain. They've just 756 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 5: changed the names and the faces. But we still live 757 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 5: under a serious power structure. And that power structure is 758 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,719 Speaker 5: struggling with something right now that no other power structure 759 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 5: has had to before, and that is the democratization of information. 760 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 5: That's why they're trying to shut down TikTok. You know, 761 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 5: it's not because the Chinese are stealing information. All those 762 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 5: companies have access to all of the information. Of course 763 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 5: they do. It's a commodity. What they don't want is 764 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 5: some kid on TikTok learning about what's really going on 765 00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 5: in the Ukraine, right right, that's what they don't want one. 766 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 5: That's why we're dealing with the advent of what I 767 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 5: think is totalitarian control here in the West, and in 768 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,399 Speaker 5: a lot of ways, the UFO phenomenon is the tip 769 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,800 Speaker 5: of the spear. That's the one thing that could blow 770 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,319 Speaker 5: this whole thing wide open. They can't have that. They 771 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,760 Speaker 5: also understand that it's happening, so trying to get a handle, 772 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 5: trying to get ahead of it, trying to stay in 773 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,160 Speaker 5: control of it is their number one job. So it's 774 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 5: people like you, it's people like us, it's everyone listening. 775 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,839 Speaker 5: It's the people who are interested in this. We're the 776 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,480 Speaker 5: only hope. We're the last and only hope to keep 777 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 5: the flame alive to get the truth out there, because 778 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,959 Speaker 5: it will happen. I mean, it's inevitable, the truth will 779 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:42,719 Speaker 5: out right. 780 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 4: I definitely think we're on the right side of history here. 781 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,319 Speaker 4: I definitely believe that. Well, brother, we got to stop 782 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,840 Speaker 4: there now. A lot of fun. Brother, Thanks again for 783 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 4: coming on. We will be back next week with an 784 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 4: all new episode. You can follow me Captain Ron on 785 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 4: Twitter and Instagram at CD underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected 786 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,839 Speaker 4: by checking out Contact in the Desert dot com. Stay 787 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 4: open minded and rational as we explore the unknown right 788 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,880 Speaker 4: here on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 789 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:07,760 Speaker 4: Podcast Network. 790 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 791 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,680 Speaker 1: A and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and check out 792 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 1: all our shows on the iHeartRadio app or by going 793 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 1: to iHeartRadio dot com