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Speaker 1: now your hosts, Casey Smith and Tyler Jones.
Speaker 2: It's the second half of November, but just like a twikie,
Speaker 2: the second half is the best half of the rut.
Speaker 2: This is rot Fresh. Let's go.
Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 2: Everyone? Welcome? Rot Fresh Radio brought you my first light year.
Speaker 2: I'm your host Casey Smith and Tyler Jones is here.
Speaker 2: I tried to see how fast I could say at
Speaker 2: this time, and I know that all you Northerners are
Speaker 2: just thinking I'm speaking a different language, so sorry you are.
Speaker 2: But good news is that what we have to say,
Speaker 2: uh is somewhat implicative for you. But we do have
Speaker 2: some Northern guests in today's ret Fresh Radio that's going
Speaker 2: to really give you all the deats on what's going
Speaker 2: down around the country. But first, Tyler Jones, the master
Speaker 2: of all things balancing, balancing life and hunting, and I'm
Speaker 2: actually not abo balancing stuff on your nose right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Uh, Tyler.
Speaker 2: We just watched a video where you were on the
Speaker 2: ground chasing a big giant buck. I would like to
Speaker 2: know for the folks out there, why you decided to
Speaker 2: chase that deer around on the ground as opposed to
Speaker 2: try to ambush that deer.
Speaker 3: And I think this kind of applies to us.
Speaker 4: One that hasn't been released yet. Yeah, released potentially, because
Speaker 4: I don't know if they're spending hardly any time in
Speaker 4: the trees.
Speaker 2: Well, you could also ambush from the ground somewhere or whatever,
Speaker 2: like groundbline.
Speaker 4: Because he was cruising and I just felt like it
Speaker 4: was the time was of the essence. I saw him
Speaker 4: and I knew he was heading to a certain direction.
Speaker 4: He's gonna be on his feet for a second, so
Speaker 4: I wait and got him.
Speaker 2: So you just made an impulsive decision to just get
Speaker 2: out there and get after him. Yeah, you got closed.
Speaker 2: And that's that's.
Speaker 3: Kind of the name of the game on the ground.
Speaker 2: Thing we've found out is that you got to try
Speaker 2: it quite a bit both so you can learn and
Speaker 2: you're gonna mess it up sometimes, so you can't be
Speaker 2: too in love with a deer.
Speaker 3: But I think it's true.
Speaker 2: One of the things that people are encountering around the
Speaker 2: country currently is some form of rout lockdown and you
Speaker 2: have deer that are coming in out of it, depending
Speaker 2: on where you're at in the country, the ruts and
Speaker 2: different stages.
Speaker 3: But we all hear about lockdown.
Speaker 2: We've been talking about it some and you're gonna hear
Speaker 2: some about it in today's interviews. But I do think
Speaker 2: that one of the ways that you can overcome circumvent
Speaker 2: what's another word for that kind of stuff round about? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can, you can, uh, you can get over lockdown
Speaker 2: by if the deer aren't moving around, what what's the
Speaker 2: what's the X factor?
Speaker 3: You need to move around? Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody has to move for an X and a
Speaker 2: Y to intersect on a graph, right, And if you
Speaker 2: were the WY and the deer the X and you're
Speaker 2: trying to intersect the deer, the deer isn't moving, then
Speaker 2: you have to move. And so I think that that's
Speaker 2: a big, big thing that if you're struggling with lockdown,
Speaker 2: it's a thing that you can do to potentially overcome
Speaker 2: that stuff. Move around in the truck, on the ground,
Speaker 2: whatever it may be, and figure out where deer is.
Speaker 3: That way you can go hunting and killing.
Speaker 4: M hmm, yeah, I think you know, some of our
Speaker 4: guests this week probably have similar thoughts about some of
Speaker 4: that stuff too. It's a good way to blow up
Speaker 4: a property, it is, so if you don't have a
Speaker 4: lot of acreage or if you've got a target buck,
Speaker 4: that's just not probably the best idea in most situations.
Speaker 3: H Yeah.
Speaker 2: And also if you're hunting public land, it is public
Speaker 2: land and you have every right to use it. But
Speaker 2: I tend to lean towards being considerate of others and
Speaker 2: so make those choices whenever. If you are stomping around,
Speaker 2: you know, like, yeah, don't ruin somebody else's day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's uh yeah. I mean, if you're doing that
Speaker 4: kind of stuff within a half mile of a parking area,
Speaker 4: you're probably gonna run into some people, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. You do it a mile and a half back,
Speaker 4: it might be a little different. Or if it's you know,
Speaker 4: open country, you can tell nobody's there. Or if it's a
Speaker 4: one parking lot parcel right then nobody's at that parking lot,
Speaker 4: then cool, go in there and do it or whatever.
Speaker 2: Tyler. One of the questions I asked people asks people
Speaker 2: a lot today in this podcast was are you going
Speaker 2: out trying to find those bucks in lockdown or are you
Speaker 2: waiting on them to come off their dos and catch
Speaker 2: them in their pinch points? Between those and you get
Speaker 2: different answers on that. What's your answer to that.
Speaker 4: I think it's depending dependent upon the habitat you're hunting,
Speaker 4: probably as much as anything. But I think for the
Speaker 4: majority of the country, I would be what I would
Speaker 4: be doing is I'd be sitting somewhere probably pretty close
Speaker 4: to dough betting or potentially in a funnel or pinch point.
Speaker 4: But for me personally, I'm not saying that I wouldn't
Speaker 4: do that, but I would try to find somewhere on
Speaker 4: the downwind side of dough betting to be because the
Speaker 4: thing that that buck probably wants to do is go
Speaker 4: find another deer pretty soon. Also, food is not a
Speaker 4: bad option because what you'll have I think a lot
Speaker 4: of times is if people won't talk about this very often,
Speaker 4: but when a buck comes off of a dough, he
Speaker 4: may not be quite as ramped up as he will
Speaker 4: be in say, fifteen sixteen, twenty hours, whatever, twenty four hours.
Speaker 4: So the first thing he does after being locked down
Speaker 4: for two days and not eating anything probably is probably
Speaker 4: go grab something to eat. And we do see this
Speaker 4: in places that you can put corn out. A lot
Speaker 4: of times we'll see where we don't see a buck
Speaker 4: for several days or even you and I have witnessed
Speaker 4: a buck being out like on the prairie for a
Speaker 4: few days in lockdown, and then a day later finally
Speaker 4: he'll go eat at one of our you know, corn piles, feeders,
Speaker 4: whatever they are, and we'll get them on camera. So
Speaker 4: I think even though they're not there long, there's two
Speaker 4: things that it's kind of a twofold situation where that
Speaker 4: he was getting a little bit of food, getting some
Speaker 4: cars because he has to have that every once in
Speaker 4: a while. And then he's also at a place that
Speaker 4: does frequent when he goes to corn, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 2: On that's subject of doughbetting, I kind of think that
Speaker 2: you could be there at the wrong.
Speaker 3: Time of day. What time of day do you think
Speaker 3: is the time to be there?
Speaker 4: I I like, man, this is a good question. Let
Speaker 4: me think about this for a second. So the bucks
Speaker 4: are going to find new doughs at night almost I
Speaker 4: mean often so because there's just a lot of traversing
Speaker 4: open country and road stuff that's like in proximity to roads.
Speaker 3: And everything becomes covered in the cover of darkness, right right.
Speaker 4: So want to you see deer that I hit her
Speaker 4: in the highway a lot of times at night because
Speaker 4: the deer don't want to hang out there until of
Speaker 4: a sudden it's dark and they're not nearly as worried.
Speaker 4: So a lot of times a dough or a deer
Speaker 4: is going to pick up a dough, a buck is
Speaker 4: going to pick up a dough at night, and then
Speaker 4: when the daylight comes, he's going to be shadowing her.
Speaker 4: So I think I would be more apt to be
Speaker 4: in the evening be around do betting.
Speaker 3: Is that what you think? I'm opposite?
Speaker 2: Okay, I think on that, And maybe it's because we're
Speaker 2: thinking about the situation differently. I'm thinking about bucks checking
Speaker 2: dobating that aren't on.
Speaker 3: Doughs, and so to me, well, that's what I'm thinking too.
Speaker 2: It makes sense that you'd want to be on dobatting
Speaker 2: in the morning till late morning because those doughs are
Speaker 2: gonna go end up bedding depending where you're out in
Speaker 2: the country between nine and ten thirty, and then those
Speaker 2: bucks are going to swing down windo those dough betting
Speaker 2: areas in those timeframes in the evening oftentimes, especially this
Speaker 2: time of year, if it's cold, dose might be on
Speaker 2: their feet like an hour hour and a half for sunset,
Speaker 2: and who knows where they go at that point time.
Speaker 2: That's when I think about being closer to food for
Speaker 2: the evening, because those.
Speaker 3: Dogs are gonna that's what they're gonna do.
Speaker 2: They're gonna go find some food that's potentially not in
Speaker 2: a wide open aggfield. And so you might want to
Speaker 2: be somewhere between that betting and that food because that's where.
Speaker 3: The bucks are going to cruise through.
Speaker 2: But I think like if you're hunting, like I'm thinking
Speaker 2: about a specific place that I hunted this past week
Speaker 2: that it worked, except the buck that I wanted to
Speaker 2: shoot didn't show up. We got some sick stuff of
Speaker 2: just the rut action. Though it was fun, but it
Speaker 2: was you know, there's the morning flurry of deer and
Speaker 2: then we had like an hour period we didn't see anything,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, here there's to at least
Speaker 2: three year olds that come cruising by.
Speaker 3: You know, right there we're set up down wind.
Speaker 2: I could have shot him a seven yards, you know,
Speaker 2: and it was like at ten o'clock probably.
Speaker 3: So that's my thoughts on the dough betting. It's a
Speaker 3: good thought.
Speaker 4: I thought that that one thing you could see, like
Speaker 4: one thing I saw a lot, was deer picking up
Speaker 4: the dough at night and then just sticking with them
Speaker 4: and bedding with them.
Speaker 3: You think that's what dough goes where she wants to?
Speaker 5: Do?
Speaker 3: You think he's taken her somewhere.
Speaker 4: I think most of the time the doe goes or
Speaker 4: she wants to. But I think there are times when
Speaker 4: a buck will take her somewhere. I'll at least head
Speaker 4: her off from a different certain a couple bucks being
Speaker 4: really great. Like I saw one buck stomping his foot
Speaker 4: at a dough making her go a different direction. This
Speaker 4: past week I saw it happened to where it's more
Speaker 4: like a sheep dog working where it's like, no, you
Speaker 4: can't go this way, but you can go the one
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty degrees that way. That's fine, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. So it's like wherever we end up
Speaker 4: up here. I don't really have a whole lot of
Speaker 4: say to that. I just want to make sure that
Speaker 4: you're not going down there because that's where all the
Speaker 4: other bucks hang out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, why don't we get the opinion of everyone
Speaker 2: else around the country about what's going on in the woods?
Speaker 3: Right now? Tyler, who are we talking to today?
Speaker 4: We got Scotty Lego up in New Hampshire, a state
Speaker 4: that we don't often have on rut Fresh and I'm
Speaker 4: glad to have. There's a guy, he's kind of a
Speaker 4: random guy named Clay Nukelem in Oklahoma that is going
Speaker 4: to be on here too. You're gonna do some interviewing
Speaker 4: with him, y'all will probably he and Hall and p
Speaker 4: and Paul around quite a bit. And then Alex Comstock
Speaker 4: he's been out in the you know what we might
Speaker 4: call the midwest Minnesota. And Josh Elderton from West Virginia,
Speaker 4: everybody's best friend. Josh is up there just being a
Speaker 4: mountain man, hanging out and watching deer do things in
Speaker 4: a unique part of the country where deer hunted, kind
Speaker 4: of unlike a lot of other places. Awesome, let's get
Speaker 4: him on the phone. We've got Scotty Lego on the
Speaker 4: phone again. He did a Massachusetts report for US few
Speaker 4: weeks back. But now You've been spending some time in
Speaker 4: New Hampshire. Is that where you're from. Yeah, I live.
Speaker 6: I live right on the border of Massachusetts, so I'm
Speaker 6: I'm popping over to Massachusetts and and uh, you know,
Speaker 6: and Maine's really not too far away either, so gotcha
Speaker 6: cool in New England states, you know, they're a little
Speaker 6: bit smaller than uh, Texas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so weird, dude.
Speaker 4: We're like, yeah, we'll head over, you know, to another
Speaker 4: county a couple hours away. So yeah, so going over
Speaker 4: different states, it's so different, man. So what's been going
Speaker 4: on there?
Speaker 3: Man? What you been seeing as far as whitetail movement goes, Man,
Speaker 3: it's been good. It's been real good.
Speaker 6: We've been having some uh, real cold mornings. I mean,
Speaker 6: you know into the you know, high twenties or you know,
Speaker 6: low thirties. Movement's been really good. Not so much as
Speaker 6: of super regionally. The last you know, a few days,
Speaker 6: I would say, I feel like, you know, maybe the
Speaker 6: lockdown has started. Some of the bigger bucks you know,
Speaker 6: have have doze and there's little weird spots take them
Speaker 6: off in their weird spots or whatever. So I haven't uh,
Speaker 6: you know, by observation scene too many big bucks and
Speaker 6: my show cams have kind of gone a little bit dead,
Speaker 6: but I have about shoe cams on on scrapes right
Speaker 6: I don't feel like they're hitting scrapes too hard right now,
Speaker 6: but they're moving, you know, they're moving, and uh, you
Speaker 6: know it's it's it's been good.
Speaker 4: So would you say that you know, like moving into
Speaker 4: some of the more kind of uh like like I
Speaker 4: always think of like shelter belts in farm country. You know,
Speaker 4: like there might be a shelter belt up by the road,
Speaker 4: it's real thick. Do you might you know, take a
Speaker 4: dough into Is there something that kind of correlates up
Speaker 4: in that country?
Speaker 3: It's similar, Yeah, I mean I've seen it.
Speaker 6: You know when they'll they'll take a dough and you
Speaker 6: know bring them over by you know, some water, either
Speaker 6: a river or pond and have their scent you know,
Speaker 6: blowing blowing over an area where do you really just
Speaker 6: don't frequent you'll find them in like kind of random
Speaker 6: spots that you know a little chunk of area you
Speaker 6: know that you know obviously doesn't see any hunting pressure,
Speaker 6: but doesn't really see too much deer movement either. That's
Speaker 6: kind of where I've found where the bucks will bring
Speaker 6: the bring the dos for you know, doing their things.
Speaker 4: M m hm.
Speaker 2: So do you go and try to seek these places
Speaker 2: out and like try to play the chess game, or
Speaker 2: are you kind of gonna sit back at the places
Speaker 2: you know, we're good rut funnels and just wait on
Speaker 2: those bucks to break off of those doughs.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't go try to seek them out. I just
Speaker 6: you know, randomly bump into them, you know, here and there.
Speaker 6: If I'm on the you know, if i'm the I'm
Speaker 6: on the ground or whatever, or obviously if I have
Speaker 6: an opportunity, you know, and I I do, you know,
Speaker 6: find a buck with a dough, I'm you know, I'll
Speaker 6: try to make a move, but I don't actually seek
Speaker 6: him out. I just kind of stick into the program,
Speaker 6: which is all new to me too. Like I'm still learning,
Speaker 6: you know, I've been hunting my whole life, but I'm
Speaker 6: still learning new stuff every every year. So this year
Speaker 6: has been a big eye opener for me.
Speaker 5: As far as sit your.
Speaker 6: Butt in the stand a lot longer than you than
Speaker 6: you used to. I always have a hard time with that,
Speaker 6: you know, I'm always itching to get out of the
Speaker 6: stand and from everything. What I've seen in the past
Speaker 6: is like, oh, dear, movement kind of just you know,
Speaker 6: stops like you know, just like the first two hours
Speaker 6: of daylight. But I've been, uh, I've been realizing that
Speaker 6: you just need to sit and stand a lot longer.
Speaker 2: So in New Hampshire there, what are we in the
Speaker 2: core of those dates that it's worth staying in the
Speaker 2: stand all day?
Speaker 6: I would say so, yeah, I'd say we're right in
Speaker 6: the you know, right in the core of it. Maybe
Speaker 6: a little bit on the the post side of it,
Speaker 6: on the late side of it.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: So with the with the bucks being in lockdown this
Speaker 4: past week, do you foresee them breaking off and being
Speaker 4: more active, being more you know, being more movement in
Speaker 4: the buck patterns this week? Or are they going to
Speaker 4: stay similar to last week with you know a lot
Speaker 4: of lockdown going on.
Speaker 6: I don't know, uh, I you know, I I can
Speaker 6: only I can only take my best guesses.
Speaker 3: But you know, you know, once a.
Speaker 6: Buck's done with with the dough, I would imagine he
Speaker 6: would be on the on the search for another one.
Speaker 6: I think they, you know, they know how to work
Speaker 6: good landscape so well, and you know they'll they'll be
Speaker 6: they'll be cruising out you know, looking. I don't know
Speaker 6: what time of day, you know, it might happen the
Speaker 6: middle of the night, who knows, but you know you
Speaker 6: got to you gotta be out there to get take
Speaker 6: take advantage of it.
Speaker 3: Mm hm cool.
Speaker 2: So with all that being said and kind of your
Speaker 2: observances you've had, uh, looking forward for the next week here,
Speaker 2: you know we're in we're willing to the teens and
Speaker 2: even into the twenties of November. Uh, what do you
Speaker 2: think you're gonna rank buck movement on a scale of
Speaker 2: one to ten for the next week.
Speaker 5: One to ten.
Speaker 6: Well, we do have a little bit of stagnant weather
Speaker 6: coming up here.
Speaker 5: It has been epic. I don't know if it's gonna be.
Speaker 6: Epic going going on too much longer here.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it a seven and a half.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 4: It sounds like a pretty good reason to get in
Speaker 4: the woods. Still promising, still promising, Well, Scottie. I appreciate
Speaker 4: the report from New Hampshire man, and hope you have
Speaker 4: a great rest of the year.
Speaker 5: Dude, all right, I appreciate it.
Speaker 6: I hope you guys get a big one here soon too.
Speaker 2: Now we have got Clay Nukem for the Bear Grease podcast.
Speaker 2: He's been doing some hunting in Oklahoma. Clay, what's happening
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 3: Brother?
Speaker 7: Hey man, I'll tell you what it's. I think it's
Speaker 7: a good time to be in the woods. Yeah, really
Speaker 7: anywhere in the Midwest, but it sure looks like it's
Speaker 7: a good time to be in the woods right now
Speaker 7: in Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You've actually, funny enough, You've had some success and
Speaker 2: they're seeking more success, right So tell me what are
Speaker 2: the bucks doing right now in Oklahoma?
Speaker 7: Well? I killed a buck on November thirteenth, which was
Speaker 7: like a few days ago.
Speaker 5: And.
Speaker 2: That deer it was I believed.
Speaker 7: It to be a four and a half year old
Speaker 7: deer and that more horning. I had rattled that deer
Speaker 7: in and I put a little Instagram deal up, But
Speaker 7: basically I clacked the horns together early in the morning
Speaker 7: and that deer came running in. I recognized him. I'd
Speaker 7: had a picture of him, and he didn't want to
Speaker 7: break that forty yard barrier and I didn't have a decoy,
Speaker 7: and you know, he kind of got away, so he
Speaker 7: was bouncing around in daylight by himself, responding to rattling horns.
Speaker 7: That was November thirteenth, which is a few days ago.
Speaker 7: I killed that deer six hundred yards away that evening
Speaker 7: in a little post o pinch point, and you know,
Speaker 7: went over there, not expecting to see that deer and
Speaker 7: he was by himself again cruising through that pinch point
Speaker 7: on November thirteenth, which was a little surprising to me.
Speaker 7: And in that little micro area, that was actually the
Speaker 7: biggest deer that I had on camera. So I mean,
Speaker 7: I felt like it was, you know, like a dominant
Speaker 7: deer and he was not with a dough and on
Speaker 7: my cameras. Since then, I have I feel like they're
Speaker 7: locking down more because I have not got the pictures of.
Speaker 8: The cruising bucks like I was before, Like a week ago,
Speaker 8: I was getting a lot of pictures alone deer just
Speaker 8: passing in front of cameras, you know, and it's been
Speaker 8: a couple of days since I've seen that, so I
Speaker 8: would imagine it's kind of like.
Speaker 7: It feels like the bigger deer probably locked down.
Speaker 4: Clay, you called it a post oak pinch point, which
Speaker 4: is also known as a pop around here. Is the
Speaker 4: post oak is is that Why do you say that?
Speaker 4: Are they eating post oak acorns right now or what's
Speaker 4: the deal?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, they are.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 7: I opened up this buck stomach that I killed on
Speaker 7: the thirteenth, and he had uh pre simmons in him,
Speaker 7: but mainly post okc acorns, and and he had a
Speaker 7: little bit of corn. You know, they're they're feeding some
Speaker 7: corn around that area and uh but but not much corn,
Speaker 7: but mainly post occrens. And he was that's what those
Speaker 7: deer were. I saw that there's a lot of good
Speaker 7: acrens still on the ground over there.
Speaker 2: So you're using camera dad quite a bit? Are you
Speaker 2: running cameras over that corn to kind of keep an inventory?
Speaker 7: I've got I've got some cameras over corn, just in spots.
Speaker 7: I didn't get to scout this place until first time
Speaker 7: I set foot on the place I'm hunting was November
Speaker 7: the eighth. I mean, I've never even been on the
Speaker 7: property before, man, and I just kind of wanted to
Speaker 7: see what was going on there, and so I did
Speaker 7: put out some feed and a camera. Like in places
Speaker 7: that I probably wouldn't even hunt, I just had a
Speaker 7: day and just kind of bombed in there and uh,
Speaker 7: and they're not they're not hitting feed real good over there.
Speaker 7: Doesn't seem like to me, but it's because there's so
Speaker 7: many post oakes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're still kind of waiting on a frost for
Speaker 2: to kind of make a change in that stuff.
Speaker 7: It seems like, yeah, yeah, but there's also a lot
Speaker 7: of per simmons in that country, and I saw quite
Speaker 7: a few deer eating per simmons.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but.
Speaker 7: I had a good buddy over there tell me that
Speaker 7: he feels like this week is a is a great
Speaker 7: week in Oklahoma, you know, a week before the gun
Speaker 7: deer season starts, you know, for both mont So what.
Speaker 2: Are you going to do tactic wise that kind of
Speaker 2: might change a little bit there, you know.
Speaker 7: I mean I can't. I'm just gonna hunt pinch points.
Speaker 7: I mean, that's really all I'm gonna do. I'm just
Speaker 7: gonna I'm just gonna hunt these little pinch points where
Speaker 7: there's food because they're there's food in there, so they're traveling,
Speaker 7: but they're also they're also eating, and we'll be trying
Speaker 7: to catch one in between dose or with a dough
Speaker 7: that's just coming through there. So one hundred percent I'm
Speaker 7: hunting these little pinch points, and in the area I'm hunting,
Speaker 7: there's a lot of them. They're they're kind of nuanced.
Speaker 7: They're not as clear as like a midwestern agfield creek
Speaker 7: pinch point, you know, a big agfields on either side.
Speaker 7: They're they're a little more nuanced over there because it's
Speaker 7: a lot of brush, a lot of brushy stuff and
Speaker 7: in some pasture no no row crop ag or anything.
Speaker 7: But you'll you'll kind of find these little bands of
Speaker 7: timber through there. Sure, and uh, and there's deer using them, man,
Speaker 7: for sure.
Speaker 4: So you've been seeing them walk down a little bit,
Speaker 4: are they do? You expect them to start coming off
Speaker 4: of doze as you go up there this week?
Speaker 7: You know, I've never hunted over there this late. It's
Speaker 7: specific and that in Oklahoma, so I don't really know,
Speaker 7: but I know I'm about three hours away and in Arkansas. Man,
Speaker 7: by about the twenty fifth of November, I feel like
Speaker 7: most of the breeding is done now, not most of
Speaker 7: the running activity. I feel like the bucks are cruising
Speaker 7: and it's a fantastic time to kill a deers the
Speaker 7: last week in November here, But it's not because they're
Speaker 7: chasing dose. I mean, it's more like that first week
Speaker 7: in November and then man by December. First my experience
Speaker 7: in my part of the world in Arkansas is, Man,
Speaker 7: they're like back on feed, acting like they don't care
Speaker 7: a thing about it though, just just but in between
Speaker 7: now and then, I think it'll be good. But I
Speaker 7: think so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe you, man.
Speaker 2: And so if you're gonna rake the buck movement on
Speaker 2: a scale of one to ten over the next week
Speaker 2: in Oklahoma, what are you gonna give it seven?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 2: You already knew your number. You're ready to go seven
Speaker 2: towards number?
Speaker 7: Yep?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Does that mean okay? Since you're headed to go hunting
Speaker 2: right now, I can give you a special guest opportunity
Speaker 2: to call your shot.
Speaker 3: Are you killing another buck this week?
Speaker 7: Well, my son bear, I'm gonna call him killing an
Speaker 7: ice deer? Nice, I'm gonna you know, there's a two
Speaker 7: buck limit in Oklahoma, so I could I could shoot
Speaker 7: another buck, but I'm probably gonna try to kill a
Speaker 7: doe or two, and so that probably will hurt my
Speaker 7: chances of killing a buck and blessed.
Speaker 2: Ladies in the woods.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, but I'm not opposed to shooting. I mean,
Speaker 7: i'd love to kill another buck, and I'm gonna try,
Speaker 7: but I don't want to get too greedy, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure? Cool man.
Speaker 2: Well, I hope you all find some success out there.
Speaker 2: Thanks for the report, sir.
Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2: Now I've got Alex comstock with wat tail DNA and
Speaker 2: he has been hunting his home state of Minnesota. Alex,
Speaker 2: is it freezing there or what's it like?
Speaker 7: You know, it's been a little too warm?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean we have we have no snow on
Speaker 9: the ground, which a lot of.
Speaker 7: Times we do by now, and highs are still. I
Speaker 7: think it's gonna push fifty today.
Speaker 2: So not ideal man, that's uh, you know, relatively. I
Speaker 2: don't know if I can understand, but I guess I
Speaker 2: know what you mean in general, the fact that it's
Speaker 2: warmer than what it needs to be.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: What are you doing right now? If you're used to,
Speaker 2: you know, those cold attempts to adjust for what.
Speaker 7: The deer doing, hoping and praying.
Speaker 2: That's a good tactic, man, for sure. Are you Are
Speaker 2: you struggling to see deer on the hoof right now?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: It's super super sporadic.
Speaker 9: I mean I haven't seen a lot of deer in
Speaker 9: Minnesota this year in general, it's been a warm off fall.
Speaker 7: But like.
Speaker 9: You know, for example, a hunter this morning didn't see
Speaker 9: a deer, had a spot where like a really good
Speaker 9: buck came through on cell cam at eleven o'clock. That's
Speaker 9: the first deer to hit that particular camera in.
Speaker 3: I think a week.
Speaker 9: So it's just like super sporadic, which makes things obviously
Speaker 9: tougher on the hunter.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, if you adjusted your camera placements for
Speaker 2: kind of this dead middle of the rud or you
Speaker 2: still kind of have them all in the same place
Speaker 2: they have been.
Speaker 9: We're always shifting them, you know, and I'm bouncing back
Speaker 9: and forth between you know, still a lot of cameras
Speaker 9: are on scrapes because deer inevitably you're going to hit
Speaker 9: them at some point, but hard you know, between that,
Speaker 9: obviously your your classic fiddles or fiddels, funnels and points.
Speaker 5: You know, just trying to catch you.
Speaker 9: For me, it's obviously like I'm not hutting the rut
Speaker 9: trying to pattern into your own camera. I'm just trying
Speaker 9: to get a picture of one knowing that he's in
Speaker 9: the area per se.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So is the hot weather effect does it affect
Speaker 4: deer movement during the rut do you feel like or
Speaker 4: is it just gonna be what it's what it is normally.
Speaker 9: I think my take on it is that it's it's
Speaker 9: not going to do you any favors. How about that,
Speaker 9: Like it's not like it's warm, so don't go hunting.
Speaker 9: But I think yeah, I mean for us, like, you know,
Speaker 9: we've had some days peeking up and pushing on the
Speaker 9: sixties and you know, upper fifties, and I don't think
Speaker 9: it's going to do you any favors for movement. I
Speaker 9: still think deer at the end of the day are
Speaker 9: running and doing their thing. But I think it could
Speaker 9: encourage a little bit more nighttime movement.
Speaker 3: Does water come into play during harder TIMPs in the rut?
Speaker 3: Do you think?
Speaker 2: And what if I had areas with water? You got
Speaker 2: ten thousands? Man, come on, yeah, I.
Speaker 9: Mean I could just go set up shop on the
Speaker 9: edge of lakes period.
Speaker 3: I mean, you never know, I guess sounds cold, Yeah,
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 2: That's funny. So this week you still have stagnant weather
Speaker 2: coming up. What what adjustments are you going to make
Speaker 2: to still try to capitalize with.
Speaker 3: The time you can get out?
Speaker 7: Oh you cut out there.
Speaker 2: Sorry this week, you still probably have some stagnant weather
Speaker 2: coming up, you know, for the next week or whatever.
Speaker 2: How are you gonna capitalize on the sets that you
Speaker 2: do get to go out?
Speaker 9: Pretty much just gonna sit, you know, in the citts
Speaker 9: that I do get to get out. I'm just right
Speaker 9: now hunting historical stuff. So you know, I'm after a
Speaker 9: few bucks that I'm hunted over the course the last
Speaker 9: few years. So I put a lot of emphasis into
Speaker 9: historical data. You know, I know a buck was in
Speaker 9: an area over the given week. You know, there's a
Speaker 9: there's an area that a couple of bucks hit a
Speaker 9: lot last year over that Thanksgiving time frame in there,
Speaker 9: So that's where I'm going to kind of be then.
Speaker 9: So it's just kind of hunting based off that that
Speaker 9: data that I've recrued over over the years.
Speaker 2: Got you cool. So do you see historically mature books
Speaker 2: on their feet this time of year? Like, do you
Speaker 2: feel good about this, you know, kind of third week
Speaker 2: in November time period?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I I generally really this is I think one
Speaker 9: of my more favorite weeks of the rut, given that
Speaker 9: you know it's not going to be it's not what
Speaker 9: everyone loves with the first week in November just deer
Speaker 9: cruising like crazy. For me, it's more of the you
Speaker 9: never know what could show up just be worth those
Speaker 9: bucks are especially those mature year they're going for that
Speaker 9: last that last few dos. And I I really enjoy
Speaker 9: that time of the year because I'm used to not
Speaker 9: having crazy hunts anyway, and seeing a time of year
Speaker 9: and so with the thought of never know what could
Speaker 9: walk around the corner is piques my interests pretty much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very cool.
Speaker 2: Okay, So as we look forward to this next week
Speaker 2: with the warmer Timpson all, just knowing that it's a good,
Speaker 2: good week for you historically, what are you going to
Speaker 2: rank the buck movement on a scale of one to ten.
Speaker 9: I am going to look at the weather right now,
Speaker 9: and then we do have a cold front coming a
Speaker 9: little bit on Wednesday.
Speaker 7: High's Wednesday on or in the mid to low thirties.
Speaker 9: So I like that, and just given that fact, I'm
Speaker 9: gonna give it.
Speaker 7: I want to be over a five, I.
Speaker 9: Really do, So I'm gonna give it a five and
Speaker 9: a half.
Speaker 2: Nice very realistic numbers there, but that cold front sounds
Speaker 2: pretty optimistic.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: I hope that you run up on one of those
Speaker 2: big ones.
Speaker 5: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 9: I you know, I was looking at footage actually the
Speaker 9: other day from a buck that I'm hunting right now,
Speaker 9: and I almost shot them two years ago on the
Speaker 9: sixteenth of November, and we had like probably eight inches
Speaker 9: of snow. So, I mean it's a big difference. But
Speaker 9: I'm gonna I'm gonna hope and pray.
Speaker 2: An awesome brother, will. I hope you getting appreciate all
Speaker 2: the report.
Speaker 5: Man, All right, thanks guys.
Speaker 3: On the phone right now. I've got Josh Elderton.
Speaker 4: He's everybody's best friend and he's up there in West
Speaker 4: Virginia hanging out in the mountains.
Speaker 3: What's going on, maun Man?
Speaker 5: Nothing nice, Kyler. What's happening, buddy? Oh?
Speaker 3: Shoot? Man?
Speaker 4: Just sitting here with k C and talking and thinking
Speaker 4: about deer. You know, that's how November goes, right, That
Speaker 4: is November.
Speaker 5: It's all about deer, all about just getting out there
Speaker 5: and getting after.
Speaker 3: It for sure. Man.
Speaker 4: So you guys been getting after it lately in West Virginia.
Speaker 4: What you've been seeing out there, Well, it's.
Speaker 5: Been going really good. It's on like Donkey Kong here, Okay.
Speaker 5: It started to Friday and flip the switch.
Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, is that weather induced or was this something else?
Speaker 5: I think it's weather and and you know, I'm a
Speaker 5: moon guy, so I think it's weather and moon induced.
Speaker 5: And since Friday, the deer movement has been really good.
Speaker 5: That's good. Been good in the mornings and in the
Speaker 5: evenings it's been and it's been a little sketchy in
Speaker 5: the evening's probably the last thirty forty minutes of shooting,
Speaker 5: like they've been moving a little bit, but the mornings
Speaker 5: have been fire.
Speaker 3: I got you.
Speaker 4: So, how are you guys hunting them? What kind of
Speaker 4: tactic are you using to get in their way?
Speaker 5: Right now? Our focus right now has really been glassing
Speaker 5: and hunting these old open areas in between the thickets.
Speaker 5: We've hung a couple of times. If we found really
Speaker 5: hot sign, if we find scrapes and stuff that's like
Speaker 5: ground up coffee and happened just within a few hours,
Speaker 5: we'll hang. But we're really focusing on the ground right
Speaker 5: now and glassing and either putting them on to bed
Speaker 5: and doing a true spot stalk, or most of the
Speaker 5: time right now with the rut, we're playing a lot
Speaker 5: of ambush.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds like fun. So let's get back to
Speaker 2: this moon thing. Because I'm a borderline moon believer. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit of a skeptic, but at the
Speaker 2: same time, I feel like there's sometimes some correlations. And
Speaker 2: right now, you know, we're just kind of coming right
Speaker 2: off of a big awful moon, right and so you
Speaker 2: thought that that had an effect on the deer movement. Now,
Speaker 2: what are we going to look at as this thing
Speaker 2: starts to wane and kind of move into like, you know,
Speaker 2: a half moon over the next week.
Speaker 3: Is it Are we.
Speaker 2: Gonna still see that uptick or is it gonna what effects.
Speaker 3: Is it going to have?
Speaker 5: I think I think that the first part of the week,
Speaker 5: it's gonna be a little bit slower, but you know,
Speaker 5: it's rut, they're gonna move. But there's an uptick in
Speaker 5: deer movement towards the end of the week, in my opinion,
Speaker 5: by what the moon chart says it's going to do.
Speaker 7: Now, I'm telling you, I'm there.
Speaker 5: I've always just watched the moon chart, and it's like
Speaker 5: when I'm out there Glass and Tyler that I won't
Speaker 5: see any deer in like prime time from the moon chart.
Speaker 5: Say it's nine to eleven am. And it just seems
Speaker 5: like at nine or nine fifteen, I start seeing deer.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Guys, So so what what I mean, what's the food
Speaker 4: source that you guys are out there hunting?
Speaker 5: So food source wise, I mean it's a lot of brows,
Speaker 5: a lot of sawbrars and c rps type stuff. But
Speaker 5: you know that we've got hit with masks this year too,
Speaker 5: We've got some acrons. But the deer out here, especially
Speaker 5: in southern West Virginia, even with acrons, they still tend
Speaker 5: to get out in the brows and the like. It's
Speaker 5: like prairie country. These reclaim strip minds are they still
Speaker 5: seem to get out there and that's where they like
Speaker 5: to chase and crews. So that's that's really what we're
Speaker 5: focused on. We're not focused on a lot of timber
Speaker 5: hunting right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So on that fresh sign that you're talking about earlier,
Speaker 2: are you finding that stuff on like little whips out
Speaker 2: there in that open country? Are you seeing that stuff
Speaker 2: along like the thicket lines where you're seeing rubs and
Speaker 2: scrapes and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: The hard edges between right there on the timber and
Speaker 5: the thicket is where you're finding it. Inside of the thickets.
Speaker 5: You know, these tickets, you can always find open areas
Speaker 5: that you know, might only be twenty by twenty in
Speaker 5: the Middle East thickets, but there might be one hundred
Speaker 5: by one hundred in the middle of them. And inside
Speaker 5: these tickets were seeing those hot scrapes and stuff too,
Speaker 5: and getting in these tickets amongst them.
Speaker 4: So what do you what do you think will happen
Speaker 4: next week? Is it going to still be on like
Speaker 4: Donkey Kong? Is it gonna be on like Eddy Kong?
Speaker 5: Now it's I think that you know, we were out Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
Speaker 5: and we were on. This was last week, so around
Speaker 5: like the twelfth, thirteenth, fourteenth, and fifteenth, we were out
Speaker 5: and there was a good movement in the mornings, like
Speaker 5: I said, in the evenings were a little bit slow
Speaker 5: and they were bumping and just kind of my cruise
Speaker 5: and the small bucks. We're out there trying to get
Speaker 5: a jump start on the big daddies. And then Friday,
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, it was like a light switch. I mean,
Speaker 5: you all experienced in anybody that's experienced, I mean, it
Speaker 5: was just like a light switch offen Man. They was running, grunting,
Speaker 5: snortweiz and fighting everything going on. And it's been like
Speaker 5: that since Friday.
Speaker 4: Got you so on a scale of one to ten,
Speaker 4: and the next week, what do you think buck Movement's
Speaker 4: going to be like.
Speaker 5: Nine and a half?
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, that's how I like that. I like that.
Speaker 5: I'm sitting in the office talking to you all and
Speaker 5: we've got two groups out and both groups are on
Speaker 5: Big Bucks this.
Speaker 3: Morning, old baby.
Speaker 5: So I know that the deer movement's really good right
Speaker 5: now and it's going to stay that way for several
Speaker 5: days in my opinion.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well that's awesome, dude.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you so much for the report, and I
Speaker 4: hope those guys get both them bucks killed.
Speaker 3: Thanks for the time, Josh, alright though, thank you' all.
Speaker 5: Good luck you see