WEBVTT - Ep 36: Charlotte Gainsbourg 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:18.920 Loud and Quiet Presents Midnight Chats. 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:23.159 Welcome to the Loud and Quiet Interview podcast. Thank you 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:26.640 for downloading this episode. This week, my guest is the 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:30.560 actor and singer Charlotte Gainsburg, the daughter, of course, of 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:34.559 Serge Gainsburg and Jane Berkin. Now. Charlotte made her very 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:36.920 first album when she was just sixteen years old with 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:40.120 her father. It took her another twenty years to follow 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:43.040 it up when she finally made five point fifty five 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.840 with French duo Air and Jarvis Cocker. Since then, she's 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:49.800 made a record called Irm with Beck and she's just 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:53.400 about to release a new album with Sebastian called Rest. 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:57.280 In terms of movie work, Charlotte's being the complete opposite 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:01.840 and well made a shit ton of films. Basically, most 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:05.720 of them are independent and a lot of them are 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:09.360 really quite dark. The ones I'm thinking about particularly there 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:12.160 are a trio of film she made with Danish director 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:18.679 Lars von Trier Antichrist, Melancholia and Nymphomaniac. Some of those scenes. 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.520 If you've not seen those movies yet, I would recommend 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:25.039 watching them, but you know, maybe not near some kids. 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:28.039 Don't get kids involved in that one. She's also recently 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:31.760 starred in The Snowman with Michael Fassbender, and that film 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:35.160 actually opened here in the UK the week that we 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:39.840 recorded this interview, which we did by pure coincidence, in 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:43.760 the same hotel that I did last week's Billy Corgan 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:47.080 won in. Now, with that, I do have for just 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:51.480 one note on this particular episode, there was a moment 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:56.600 when somebody started hoovering very loudly just outside Charlotte's room 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.360 where we were sat. Now, I've tried to clean up 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:01.200 the audio as much as I can on that, and 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:04.200 it's only for a very small section, but I thought 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:07.040 I should mention it here. So with that in mind, 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:10.400 here is my late night conversation with Charlotte Gainsburg, in 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:14.080 which we talk about music and film and Paul McCartney 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.679 and her father and mother and everything in between. Thank 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:38.640 you very much to Charlotte. Here we go. Is this the 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:40.800 first podcast you've done? Have you done the podcast before? 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:44.560 I'm not sure. I think it might be the first one. 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:49.320 That's good. That's good because I know that you're a 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:50.480 fan of firsts. 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:55.320 Yes, first thing, Yes, yes I am, I am, but 0:02:55.520 --> 0:03:00.360 I tend to pretend that it's always you know first 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.840 time because I forget everything. Do you so a podcast? 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:06.720 Maybe I've done one before, but I've forgot so it 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:07.400 is my first. 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:10.320 Okay, everything's your first. Yeah, I completely agree with you 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:11.400 on first time things. 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:14.760 There's a sort of a there's a magic of not 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:19.600 making too much of an effort and the fact that 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:23.600 things are maybe accidental on a first time, that you 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:27.040 can be lucky on a first time less on a second. 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:31.400 So it's something of I'm a bit superstitious about those 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:33.519 first moments. 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.760 Yeah, you only get beginner's luck once, don't you Exactly? 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:39.680 You're only given that once. Has there ever been anything 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.160 you've done and it's been so good on the first 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:45.040 time that you've kind of resisted doing it again. Because 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.080 I do this with gigs. If I go and see 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:50.640 a band or if I see someone and it's almost 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:53.840 perfect in my mind at least, I'm really reluctant to 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:56.120 ever go and see them again. And I've done it once. 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:59.440 I've resisted it once before, and years later I said, 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:00.920 oh no, I go and see it because it was 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:04.160 so great and it has kind of tainted the first time. 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:08.280 Yes, I guess I'm I'm like that all the time, 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:15.960 but Also, I think that's why I tend to my 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:22.160 childhood is something that I want to remember as perfect, 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:26.640 and it wasn't. But because they were, it was made 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:30.039 of a lot of first times. There's something that I've 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:35.240 put on a pedestal, but things that I don't want 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:38.840 to do a second time. Well, I guess that this 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:43.440 idea of a second album was something that was very 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:47.640 difficult for me and that I pushed and for twenty years. 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:51.719 So I waited until I was from sixteen to thirty six. 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.919 I did nothing. Maybe that was it had to do 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.800 with that, of course, but it was mostly to do 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:01.240 with the fact that my father wasn't here anymore. But 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:04.919 of course that that first time I couldn't replicate, and 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:05.560 it was it. 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:08.720 Was the guys from Air who you collaborate with on 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.719 what became five fifty five exactly, and they kind of 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:14.680 they got to a point in there where they said, look, 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:16.560 we've got to stop talking about this and we've just 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:17.280 got to go and do it. 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:21.520 Yeah, because I was, I was so nervous. It could 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:27.880 have taken me a few more years of discussions and 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:32.760 you know, trying to plan things out. And the lyrics 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:35.640 were always a big problem. Because I didn't know at 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:38.080 that point, I didn't know I was going to be 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:41.520 able to sing in English. So lyrics in French were 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:48.039 such a such a big deal and such a problem that, yeah, 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:52.120 I needed to to figure things out. And they were 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:55.640 the ones who said, just let's try, even if it 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:57.520 doesn't work, but just let's try. 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:02.359 Stop talking. Well, why did you find that lyrics in 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.920 French were particularly such a big deal? 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:10.600 Really because of my father, because I was brought up 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:18.320 with his lyrics and his poetry and his genius, and 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:21.039 I didn't realize he was a genius when I was 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:26.400 a child. But he died when I was nineteen, and 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:32.560 I think I was in full understanding of who he was. 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:38.200 And it was impossible for me to imagine going back 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:42.440 to music without him, first of all, but then this 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:47.960 possibility of going back with musicians that I admired, Yes, 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:52.719 that was possible. But lyrics in French would have to 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:57.520 be not as good as his. So it made the 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.359 excitement I don't know, I was. 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:01.040 I was. 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:05.200 I was scared. I was scared of being a failure, 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:10.000 of being of not you know, not not liking what, 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:17.160 not liking it enough. He was It was too hard 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:21.320 to to compare myself to him. I didn't want any comparison, 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:25.520 so so that's why the English was a good solution 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:29.720 for me. And then, of course admiring Jervis Cocker meant 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:35.320 that I could, you know, I could it. It started 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:41.720 to be another dream, and then Beck was again escaping 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:45.080 from the French, but also admiring his way of writing. 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:47.040 Can you remember that at the moment when you did 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:49.840 realize kind of who your parents were and that your 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:53.080 your dad was this superstar? Can you and that he 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:55.240 was a genius? Can you remember that moment? 0:07:55.960 --> 0:08:01.160 No, well, I guess when he died, because before I 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:03.680 had him more to myself. Of course, he was very 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:09.600 well known and I knew all his work, his songs, 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:14.080 but not as if I was listening to my father. 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:19.640 I was already listening to an artist, and same thing 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:23.440 for my mother. I was listening to her voice and 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:29.920 being attracted to her as an artist, but it was 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:35.600 so familiar that I couldn't I didn't analyze who they were. 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:41.320 I didn't try and understand what a big deal they were. 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:46.640 And when he died he became such a hero for 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:52.200 France such I don't know they were mourning everybody was mourning. 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.360 I think people, I think it's I mean, it is 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:58.280 impossible to kind of overstate how much your father is 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:03.120 still adored in France. I mean, he is just so love. 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:07.280 But when he was alive, he wasn't. He was loved 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:13.560 towards the the his last years. Of course, he had 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:16.320 a lot of success, but he went through so many 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:21.400 years of not struggling because he was it was okay. 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:26.240 He had a lot of successes through other female artists, 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:32.920 but it was never his success. Also, he was he 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:37.320 was attacked quite often because he was such a provocov getter. 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.640 He was used to being banged on, and you know. 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:42.839 So. 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:46.120 Was he okay with that? 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:46.600 Oh? 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:53.679 He was the Yes, he he loved. He loved the scandal, 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:59.920 he loved yeah, the reaction, making noise, He loved the folk. 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:05.280 So he was always on about being in on a 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:09.679 cover of a magazine or talked about in newspapers, but 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:13.320 at the same time very very vulnerable about what people 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:17.880 would say. So it was a mixture of provocation and 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:21.920 listening to the comments. 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:23.960 I mean that first record that you made with him, 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:27.360 you were fifteen around that time, No, I was twelve twelve. 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:31.120 Well, my first album. I was sixteen, but that first 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.920 song was called Lemon Incest and it was on one 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:37.880 of his albums, So it was just just this one 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:43.480 song that I didn't I didn't realize the scandal it 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:46.960 was at the time. I understood what I sang. Of course, 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:53.160 at twelve, I knew what also, I knew what what 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:59.559 his provocations were about, and and I was fine with that. 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:03.160 I wasn't shocked at all. And then the scandal afterwards 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:09.200 when it when the song was released, I didn't realize 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:12.800 because I was in a boarding school completely far away 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:18.160 in Switzerland and not you know, not not anything. Nothing. 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:20.720 Yeah, in terms of when you kind of were making 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:24.880 that out the album in particular with your father, what 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:27.160 what can you remember of that of that experience that 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:27.839 first time. 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.960 I loved the experience of being directed by him because 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:37.760 he had he was very much in command of whatever 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:43.440 he wanted of you. So he was in the booth 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:50.880 with you, gesturing and emphasizing and trying to get to 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:55.720 get you where he wanted. Then when I listened to 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:59.440 the record again, first of all, I didn't do any 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:03.480 premiere at the time because I just I didn't want to, 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:08.800 and he accepted that but it meant that I didn't 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:15.040 do any TVs. Nothing. I hated. I hated that part 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:17.360 of the job and I didn't feel that I had 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:22.560 to do it, which was a bit stupid. But so 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:27.440 now when I listen to it again, I wish I 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:32.320 had had more humor, more distance, more I don't know, 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:36.760 I feel like a nice student, you know, it's a 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:38.480 little too well behaved. 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:39.040 Sure. 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:39.520 Yeah. 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:44.079 One thing that I think is quite kind of strangely 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:50.320 rare in your instances having such famous parents and having 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:54.720 your own career, your own career in music, and you've 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:59.680 never kind of tried to like push against it or 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:02.680 kind of reject that kind of that legacy that you 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.240 come from. Whereas, like I think like maybe a lot 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:07.800 of people when they've got a really famous parent who's doing, 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:11.320 who's done what they are now doing, the thing they 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:12.520 really want to do is kind of like, oh, I 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:14.319 don't want to talk about you know, I don't want 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:15.960 to talk about her. But you've always been very proud 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:17.439 of I've always. 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:19.920 Been very proud, But I'm much more open to talking 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:25.640 about them in other countries. In France now, I'm sort 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:34.240 of more at peace with with people's curiosity, but for 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:39.839 ages in France, I would just I didn't want to. 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:44.040 It's as if I wanted to keep my own secrets, 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:48.240 you know, of my private life of and my own 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:52.960 my childhood was private. He was so well known and 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:57.840 everybody knew everything about both of them. I didn't want 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:05.920 to share anything. But today it's easier because I I 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:09.880 don't know. I'm more mature, of course, and I don't 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:15.120 I don't feel that I have that many secrets anymore. 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:19.680 So sure, and when you say that you felt this 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.800 pressure of just because of your father's lyrics and loving 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:26.120 them so much and kind of respecting the genius of 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:29.600 him and his words. As you've kind of gone on 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:34.320 and made three albums since that kind of that pressure, 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:38.080 is that only like an internal pressure that you've put 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:40.600 on yourself. Have you found that people have projected on 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.520 you as well? Or is it just your own kind 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:45.320 of it's my criticism of yourself. 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:50.200 Yeh, yes, I tend to be hard on myself, but 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:54.080 that's I think that's a good thing. I haven't heard 0:14:54.440 --> 0:15:02.040 criticism and hard things to hear and the comparisons that 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:06.200 would that would crush me, I guess, but no, I 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:09.760 haven't heard that it's my own judgment that I fear. 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:12.520 And so for this app for this new album Yes, 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:14.120 that that's different. 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:17.320 So I mean, this is the first record that you've 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:23.000 contributed to the lyrics to Yes, And what was it 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.600 that kind of was there a catalyst that basically made 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:27.480 you think, right, I'm ready, now, I'm gonna I'm going 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:29.280 to do this. I'm going to write these words myself 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:31.520 because I know in the past you've really kind of 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:34.240 you've tried it and it's just not happened for you. 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:35.920 Why now? Why on this run? 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:39.560 I think I didn't care anymore. Okay, whether it was 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:44.040 good enough or not good enough, it just came out 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:48.160 that way. And I tried to write in English mostly 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.720 and it came out in French, so I couldn't do 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:52.520 much about that. 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:55.680 But it did take. 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:01.400 Many steps and a long long time, because the whole 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:06.960 process was I did write since I was I don't know, fourteen, 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:11.520 writing a diary, but so being being very in love 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:16.600 with a style and words and having my own taste, 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:25.600 but well, anyway, just for myself, and then working with Beck, 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:30.000 I tried each time to come up with lyrics that 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.560 would end up being just subjects or a word here 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:37.360 and there, because I was too ashamed of whatever I 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:43.200 would come up with. This time, I started touring with 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:48.840 Conn and Moccasin and he really he was such a 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:52.800 great help because he said, let's let's do a real 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:57.880 session of work. I'll be with my guitar, I'll come 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:01.840 up with melodies and try and in French. Just do 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:04.440 whatever you know. I won't be judging because I don't 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:08.080 understand French. Right So, and that's what we did and 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:11.680 it worked out that way. A few melodies are still 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:17.959 in the album, and it was I realized that I 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.560 had a lot of pleasure doing that and that it 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:24.720 would be possible. It was just a first step. And 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:29.200 then the idea of collaborating on the album with Sebastian 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:38.080 and going into more of an electronic vibe meant that 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:43.120 I needed Sebastian to to like what I was writing. 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:45.159 So does Beck speak French? 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:52.520 Bet doesn't speak French, but he's very He also was saying, 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:56.639 why don't you He loves to hear French, so he 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:00.600 tried to push me while we were working together. He 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:04.560 really said, you should. You're making too much of a 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:08.440 big deal of this writing thing. It's it's easy try. 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:09.680 But there. 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:14.720 It was so easy. He would he would come into 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:18.240 we were working in his place, and he would come in, 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:23.960 start a piece of music, start a beat, put a guitar, 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:28.840 and then wander off with his little notepad and come 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:35.200 back really seven minutes later with a whole song written 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:41.879 with wonderful imagery and words and poetry. It was just incredible. 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:44.679 So I, of course I didn't dare show him what 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:45.960 I had come up with. 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:50.080 Yeah, there's quite a pressure, it is. 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:53.159 And then he would say, no, but try and write 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.960 the crappiest song you could ever think of. That's the 0:18:57.000 --> 0:19:00.840 first thing. That's that that'll be your you know, your 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:05.879 first step into lyric writing. And I guess it's a 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:09.480 way of not caring. Yes, is it the first step? 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:13.439 Was it? Is it different working with because he's the 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:16.359 he's the American you've worked with the one American and 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:21.600 everyone else has been friends or Jarvis? Is it different 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:24.119 working with somebody like like Beck? Is there like a 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:25.080 different cultural thing? 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:31.600 Of course, very much, because he he also it was 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:34.800 done in Los Angeles so very much in his environment 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:40.160 that I felt completely foreign to. And that's what I wanted. 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:45.520 I wanted to be far away from home and to experience. Also, 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:55.200 you know, his his folk writing, his his story, and 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:58.320 and he was always talking about Los Angeles and how 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:04.160 he had this love relationship to American not American culture, 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:08.920 but Los Angeles culture. So it was very, very interesting 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:10.200 and completely different. 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:12.440 Do you still live in Paris now? 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:12.639 No? 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:17.760 What, I moved to New York. So three years ago 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:20.439 I moved to New York and I'm I'm going to 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:23.080 live there a fourth year and then we'll see. 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:26.160 Yeah, you're enjoying it at the moment, I love it. Yeah, yeah. 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:27.840 Is it similar to Paris in any way? 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:32.720 Not at all. That's what I was. That's what I was. Yeah. 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:36.840 I was trying to escape all my references and all 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:41.960 my memories. So it's a it's a great It made 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:47.600 me curious again. It's such a beautiful, very photogenic city 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:53.159 with quite simple in a way, because London scares me. 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:56.200 I don't I was born here, and yet I don't 0:20:56.240 --> 0:21:01.040 know anything about these walls. And I used to know 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:06.480 this posh area I grew up. Well, my grandparents used 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:10.840 to live in Chelsea. But apart from the Kings Road. 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:15.280 It's literally just over there. I know that way, is it? 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:18.160 I mean, I'm bad in this area, to be honest, 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:21.840 I'm out of my comfort zone. But what I do. 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:26.719 I feel like a stranger, whereas in New York everybody's 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:30.800 a stranger and it's all right, and everybody's welcome. It's 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:36.040 it's a very easy welcoming when you when you have money, 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:41.840 of course, and I live downtown, so I wouldn't be 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:48.000 able to live uptown in that more stressful business like the. 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:54.639 Upper west Side near the park. So are you? I mean, 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:56.840 I know New York a little bit, not much better 0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:58.320 than I know Kensington, to be honest. 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:02.680 But it was going to Chelsea because I moved from 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:09.200 Saint Germain. I've I've always been in very nice, chic places. 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:15.440 So I went from Saint Germain to the West Village. 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:19.400 Right okay, which just slumming it in the West. 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:24.639 Village, very London like. And then I went to Tribeca. 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:29.160 That was a big change because the architecture is completely 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:32.359 different and the feel is different. And then I just 0:22:32.440 --> 0:22:34.040 moved back to the West Village. 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:36.080 So when you're here, you kind of do you feel 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:37.960 kind of like a tourist coming completely. 0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:42.040 I used to go to my grandmother's house and feel 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:45.399 at home there and that was the only reason to 0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:48.920 come to London. I hadn't started doing music again, so 0:22:49.440 --> 0:22:53.520 there was no and films never came to England, so 0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:57.160 I was never doing publicity here. There was only family 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:00.840 and my uncle used to live here also so with 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:04.560 his children, so it was very Yes, it was only 0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:11.119 seeing cousins and and going to people's houses, but never 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:18.280 really never being a young adult discovering the city. Never. 0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:21.119 Yeah, So it's got kind of a nostalgic. 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:27.119 Completely, very nostalgic. And well today especially yeah, very people 0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:30.920 are gone. So now I go to see my uncle 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:35.879 in Wales, and my aunt's lives outside of London, so 0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:39.919 in Bushy Park, so it's it's never London. 0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:42.800 So in terms of you're becoming a musician, did you 0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:45.920 always see yourself doing that or did it almost feel inevitable? 0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:48.280 When I did it with my father, it was I 0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:54.600 didn't even ask myself a question of whether I could 0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:56.960 or not, whether it was a good idea or not. 0:23:57.760 --> 0:24:03.159 It was just normal. He made people sing, Yeah, that 0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:07.480 was his thing, and especially he made actresses sing. But 0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:11.399 I at that time I wasn't yet an actress. But 0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:16.879 so for Lemon And says, no consciousness of what is 0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:20.080 a singer if you know talent or no talent. It 0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:25.120 didn't really matter then when I when I did it 0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:28.520 when I was sixteen, maybe a bit more pressure, but 0:24:29.440 --> 0:24:34.320 I didn't. It wasn't a dream. I wasn't dreaming of 0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:34.920 of singing. 0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:38.080 And you never thought to not do it. No, You're 0:24:38.119 --> 0:24:40.520 just like, yeah, I'll do that, because that's quite a 0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:43.919 confident thing in a way, because especially when you're a child, 0:24:44.040 --> 0:24:46.359 to like get up and sing in front of people 0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:46.840 be told. 0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:49.360 But it wasn't in front of people. That's why. It 0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:54.760 was just me my father in a studio with his 0:24:55.000 --> 0:24:58.200 smile on his face, being happy about what I had 0:24:58.320 --> 0:25:02.199 just done. Little accidents that he was looking for, you know, 0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:06.840 not a very imperfect voice. That's all he liked. So 0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:12.040 pleasing him was the was the thing. And then refusing 0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:18.320 to do promotion and going on television shows was exactly 0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:22.040 that I hadn't. I didn't feel any obligation, so I 0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:26.200 wasn't shy about it, but it I was a very 0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:31.680 shy person. And yet at the same time I began 0:25:31.800 --> 0:25:35.120 doing films and loving it and still being shy, but still, 0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:37.560 you know, it was It's a weird. 0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:41.960 Contradiction do you feel at home on the film set? 0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:45.600 I do, I think, I think I do. I don't 0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:49.280 feel professional in the sense that again, it wasn't a 0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:52.880 dream of being becoming an actress or not a spoken 0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:58.320 out dream. It happened too soon for me to to 0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:04.000 have this aspiration, so I just had pleasure doing it 0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:09.440 and learning and getting different experiences. But I do feel 0:26:09.520 --> 0:26:12.800 comfortable now on a set. I think I still have. 0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:19.040 I'm still very nervous. I still doubt myself. I criticize 0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:22.080 everything I do, and I like being that way, but 0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:28.600 it's it's become less traumatic. I used to do it 0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:34.280 and it was and I would get so nervous. It 0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:36.600 should have been a question of why am I. 0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:40.920 Doing myself through? What made you? What made you push 0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:43.080 on and not kind of just give into that and 0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:45.920 think this is just too stressful for me to actually 0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:46.440 do this. 0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:51.280 I think once a few weeks had gone by, I 0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:56.600 felt more comfortable. Some scenes I adored doing, and that 0:26:56.760 --> 0:27:02.399 was enough pleasure for me. But also I kept forgetting, 0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:06.760 like these first times, every film was the first time, 0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:09.480 so I kept forgetting if I would be able to 0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:14.040