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Speaker 2: Welcome inn by So.

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Speaker 1: I find this to be super interesting that we kind

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Speaker 1: of go through this sort of every year thing, you know,

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Speaker 1: every time we have a possible chance of talking about soccer,

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Speaker 1: we talk about soccer as if soccer is so important

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Speaker 1: and we all know about soccer, even though it's pretty

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Speaker 1: obvious that our collective soccer acumens are not great. They're

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Speaker 1: just not regardless of which, there's a bunch to get into. Okay,

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Speaker 1: here's the first thing. Okay, here's the first thing. We

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Speaker 1: lost yesterday in the Gold Cup. In the Gold Cup,

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Speaker 1: I had I don't really know what the Gold Cup is.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just teams from this side of it,

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Speaker 1: from the Americas, North and South America is my guests,

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Speaker 1: and apparently it's played all the time. I've been told

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Speaker 1: that this was not like four dudes that are on

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Speaker 1: the team and a bunch of guys fighting to make

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Speaker 1: the team, whereas for Mexico this was in fact their team.

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Speaker 1: That's what I've been told. I don't profess to be

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit here and lie to you, you know,

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Speaker 1: and lie to you and act like I watch soccer

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Speaker 1: all the time or I care about soccer on a

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Speaker 1: regular basis. I continue to tell you that until the

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Speaker 1: moment comes when the best athletes we have in our

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Speaker 1: high schools or growing up play and stick with soccer,

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Speaker 1: we're always going to be doing this. And I had

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Speaker 1: a great discussion with some friends as we're watching the

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Speaker 1: game yesterday, and no, I'm not gonna say match okay,

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Speaker 1: because what I don't do is again, I don't lie

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Speaker 1: to you, and I don't change all the basic verbiage

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Speaker 1: to fit. It's like I'm not gonna call something a

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Speaker 1: foyer and then only use American terms for everything else.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say foyer and sofa and vaz no thanks.

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Speaker 1: I'm also not gonna say pitch. I'm not gonna call

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Speaker 1: the uniforms a kit, and I'm I'm not gonna say

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Speaker 1: that it's a match. Again, I want all of our vocabulary,

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Speaker 1: all the vernacular, to match up. Try to not be

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Speaker 1: fake to you. So if it bothers you, sorry, but again,

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to be consistent. In America, we play

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Speaker 1: on fields, we play games, we wear uniforms. We don't

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Speaker 1: have to adjust to everybody else's pronunciation since we call

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Speaker 1: it soccer and everybody else calls it football. Wait, now

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Speaker 1: we're gonna call it. We're gonna call it soccer, but

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Speaker 1: we're gonna call it a kid like don't do both.

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Speaker 1: And if you call it football, you sound like a

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Speaker 1: fool because we take of football. It's Screen Bay Packers,

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Speaker 1: it's the Dallas Cowboys, it's the Kansa City Chiefs. Again,

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Speaker 1: wasn't our best and brightest was most of their team.

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Speaker 1: Their starters in the team didn't possess the ball, a

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Speaker 1: ton got pushed around a lot. Did feel like they

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Speaker 1: got their calls right and we could go to the

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Speaker 1: off side thing. But how many of you knew the

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Speaker 1: rules for a handball in soccer before yesterday? And I

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Speaker 1: say that because apparently the rule is not that if

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Speaker 1: the ball hits your hands it's a handball. It's if

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Speaker 1: it's in the natural motion of what you're doing. For example,

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Speaker 2: That's not a handball.

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Speaker 1: If it's in a natural Now, if you reach out

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Speaker 1: to grab the ball, that's a handball. And I bring

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Speaker 1: us that don't actually know what we think we know,

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Speaker 1: which is the basic rules of soccer, that because the

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Speaker 1: But I didn't even know the rule. And I think

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Speaker 1: it's hilarious. How many of us, myself included played soccer.

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Speaker 1: I played soccer for like seven years growing up as

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Speaker 1: a kid. My daughters have played soccer, my son played soccer,

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Speaker 1: and I had zero idea that you could actually touch

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Speaker 1: the ball with your hand and not be a handball

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Speaker 1: if it's in the natural motion of what you're doing, Jay,

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Speaker 1: stud did you have any idea about that?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Not at all. I wouldn't even pretend to.

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Speaker 1: Right, Sam, No, No, I thought for sure, I'd ask Sam,

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Speaker 1: and Sam go, oh, yes, I know this ruling, this

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Speaker 1: comes from, This comes from back in nineteen seventy three

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Speaker 2: I didn't.

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Speaker 3: I don't. I'm in the dark on this one.

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Speaker 1: So me too, zero idea. So and look, there's lots

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Speaker 1: of other parts to it, you know. I don't think

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Speaker 1: most people know what holding really is, like, well, he's

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Speaker 1: like the rules a little bit different in basketball. People

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Speaker 1: don't know what a goaltend is. They don't know what

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Speaker 1: lots of things they don't know. And the problem is

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Speaker 1: that soccer seems so easy, it does. It seems so easy,

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Speaker 1: like you can't touch the ball your hands actually you can't,

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Speaker 1: Like what do you mean you can't, Well, you can

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Speaker 1: if it's like a normal movement and automatically gets kicked

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Speaker 1: kicked against you and then it deflects or whatever. So

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Speaker 1: my big takeaway yesterday is none of us really know

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Speaker 1: anything about soccer and nothing can be made more obvious

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Speaker 1: than in that the handball that wasn't called it probably

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Speaker 1: should have been. But whatever, it's disputable, it matters, but

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Speaker 1: sort of doesn't matter. Eloa, did you know the actual

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Speaker 4: Doug, you have hit the nail on the head. The

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Speaker 4: best way I can describe it for the non pit,

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Speaker 4: non kit, non nil audience out there is it's the

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Speaker 4: equivalent of an American football commentator throwing their hands up

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Speaker 4: and saying, you know what, I don't know what it

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Speaker 4: catches anymore. I don't know what a catches when you

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Speaker 4: have these instant replay overturnings. It's happened so often this

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Speaker 4: year where you will see well versed commentators in the

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Speaker 4: sport say the same thing, I don't know what a

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Speaker 4: handball is and is not anymore, because just like you,

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Speaker 4: all of us, even people inside the industry grew up saying, well,

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Speaker 4: if it hits your hand of the penalty area, it's

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Speaker 4: a handball and a penalty care and during this year,

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Speaker 4: and I've got the I've got the law, the actual

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Speaker 4: laws of the game in front of me, and it

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Speaker 4: talks about this unnaturally bigger deal. But even despite that,

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Speaker 4: I see obvious things that are a handball that are

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Speaker 4: not called, that have nothing to do with that, but

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Speaker 4: they're still not called. So it's not just you. It's

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Speaker 4: people who are in the industry full time who kind

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Speaker 4: of throw their hands up and are like, yeah, I

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Speaker 4: don't even know what a handball is anymore. Before it

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Speaker 4: used to be. Intent doesn't matter. Even if it's not

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Speaker 4: intentional and it touches your hand or your arm, it's

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Speaker 4: a handball and a penalty area and a penalty kick.

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Speaker 4: But apparently not anymore. So you're not alone in being mystified.

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Speaker 1: There you go, There you go again. Like we could

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Speaker 1: go into the we we still suck, right, We could

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Speaker 1: do that. We could talk about the World Cup and

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Speaker 1: how they expanded it really kind of like Major League

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Speaker 1: Baseball's playoffs to make sure the important teams like us

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Speaker 1: get and kind of stay involved and stay engaged and

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Speaker 1: are always in it like all those things sort of

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Speaker 1: sort of matter, right, It's kind of brilliant from FIFA.

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Speaker 1: Obviously we would have been in this World Cup, but

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Speaker 1: in other World Cups you need America in.

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Speaker 2: It drives up the value.

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Speaker 1: Of the TV dollars, right, and so all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden now they can make more and more money on it.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of brilliant.

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Speaker 1: Plus more teams, more hotel rooms, more cities, more involvement, more,

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Speaker 1: more and more and more. It's all more of everything.

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Speaker 2: And we'll get.

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Speaker 1: To the other part to it is there's like a

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Speaker 1: there's like an old guard and a new guard thing, right,

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Speaker 1: Like Kristin Pulisicch decided not to play and he's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm playing like seventy games overseas. Like I'm good,

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Speaker 1: I'll see you guys through a World Cup. The old

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Speaker 5: Like beck when I was a kid, we used to

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Speaker 5: play for TVUSA every time.

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Speaker 1: And not realizing that, you know, like Alex say a lotless,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he ever played in Europe when he

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Speaker 1: did it in play seventy games in Europe, so you know,

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Speaker 1: even Landon Donovan took a mental break. But regardless of

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Speaker 1: all of that, getting into hardcore soccer talk, I'm watching

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Speaker 1: a match. I'm watching this that I played when I

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Speaker 1: was seven years old. Shout out to the Ballistics. That

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Speaker 2: I had no idea.

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Speaker 1: I'm like yelling at the screen that don't hurt ball

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Speaker 1: I was like the worst type of fan, which I

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Speaker 1: just despise not. I mean, look like even Jay Stu

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Speaker 1: who openly heckled and recorded himself heckling Jose Altuve yesterday

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Speaker 1: at the Dodgers game. By the way, ol Tuve hit

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Speaker 1: a home run surely thereafter the heckling. Good job. You're

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Speaker 1: just the ultimate motivator, Jays two. That's what you are.

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Speaker 1: Mookie Betts last year in the playoffs, you did that.

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Speaker 1: Jose al Tuve hitting a home run yesterday you did

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Speaker 1: that as well. Anyway, I'm like the worst version of

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Speaker 3: How can you not know that?

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Speaker 1: And then a buddy of mine text me, He's like,

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Speaker 1: you know that might not have been a handball. It's like,

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Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Like he goes down on

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Speaker 1: his hand on the ball. It couldn't be more obvious,

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Speaker 1: like yeah, it doesn't actually have to do with that,

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Speaker 1: like what And it was one of those I was

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Speaker 1: a handball. Now, look, most people will say that should

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Speaker 1: have been a handball anyway, but I had no idea.

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Speaker 1: And I think it speaks to the greater point about soccer,

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Speaker 1: which is like we all think we know something because

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Speaker 1: most of us played it. That was our first sport

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Speaker 1: growing up, right, And then what would you do? There'd

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Speaker 1: just be like a little cloud of dust running down

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Speaker 1: the field, going back and forth. And now they start

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Speaker 1: out with like no goalkeepers or whatever, so it's like

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Speaker 1: we can't keep score.

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Speaker 2: And then afterwards then you do the tunnel. The tunnel.

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Speaker 1: The kids will love the tunnel and they still get

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Speaker 1: Capri's sons. How great an invention. I'm where there's somebody,

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing Jay stew They live in Newport Coast, California, right,

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Speaker 1: which is pretty much the best baller place ever to

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Speaker 1: San Diego, right, somebody invented the Caprice son there, and

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Speaker 8: What did you love?

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Speaker 2: God?

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Speaker 8: And what did you hate?

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Speaker 1: Love love, love, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate strong words.

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Speaker 1: We got a strong show. Let's go to our good

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Speaker 1: Okay, So let's go to Isaac Lowan corn I love

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Speaker 4: So the Friday counts fourth of July?

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Speaker 4: It was really actually cool memory I mentioned this on

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Speaker 9: Well, I do love the Fourth of July. I love

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Speaker 2: Peaceful sleep. Very very nice that you love for the weekend.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely out in the Burbs it was, and the fireworks

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Speaker 1: Did you see the video? There's some rapper I've never

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Speaker 3: Is that this weekend?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I got to four Extra You guys

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Speaker 4: Even Lamar Jackson weighed in with his sympathies, posting, damn

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Speaker 1: It's not because I don't feel sympathy for somebody blowing

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Speaker 2: Oh man?

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Speaker 3: What not to? Of the Astros came to town, and

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. On Friday night did or Herscheizer

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Speaker 3: the slippery slope exists. But anyways, Dodger fans never forget

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Speaker 3: I think it was Joe Davis. He said this on

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Speaker 3: the Houston Astros of when are you guys going to

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Speaker 3: get over this? It's been eight years? How about this?

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Speaker 3: If you guys were properly punished, we would probably be

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Speaker 2: There you go, there you go. Okay, that's what we love.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to it. We hated over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Our resident hater is nonther than Jason Stewart goes last

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Speaker 2: I hate because he hates the most. Chase two.

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Speaker 3: You hate to see the Astros sweep the Dodgers ever,

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Speaker 9: Is that what twenty seventh stamps for the number of

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Speaker 2: Huh? Is that what twenty seventh stamps for? Answer me?

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Speaker 3: He never answered me, but he did hit a home

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Speaker 1: That was terrible trash talk, too wordy. Nobody's catching up

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Speaker 1: all those words.

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Speaker 3: Is it because he's English second language or do you

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Speaker 1: Anyways, I just thought he was too wordy that a

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Speaker 2: Mom is better than is twenty seven?

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Speaker 5: The number of times you knew a ball was coming

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Speaker 5: or the year before or the year before that, but

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Speaker 2: Is that the number?

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Speaker 4: Should we send Jason to Robin Ficker for some for

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Speaker 2: Is that the old heckler from the Washington.

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Speaker 4: Capitals Washington Wizards when they were the Bullets.

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Speaker 3: Yeah when the Jordan rules came out?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what what did I hate from the weekend? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm I hate the fact that people and listen,

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Speaker 1: I know what's gonna happen tonight.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: I live on a lake, so it's really cool on

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Speaker 1: Fourth July you look around the lake and there's just

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Speaker 1: everywhere you can go fireworks. But like, we've hit the

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Speaker 1: point where it's over it was a little bit over

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Speaker 1: last night. Now it's really over. And I understand you

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Speaker 1: may not have a dog, you may not have little kids.

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Speaker 2: I have a dog. I have three.

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Speaker 1: Actually one is definitely afraid of fireworks, really uncomfortable. So

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Speaker 1: for Fourth July we put them in the room. We

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Speaker 1: can surround them with blankets. You know, it's all his

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Speaker 1: favorite things. Try and get them away from the noise

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Speaker 1: so he doesn't know what's happening, all that stuff. But

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Speaker 1: once you get past, like, hey, we're a three day weekend,

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Speaker 1: it's over. Stop blowing up the damn fireworks. Okay, stop stop,

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Speaker 1: it's over. Fourth of July is over.

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Speaker 2: Move on. I love What do you got?

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Speaker 4: But both sides of the coin. By the way, what

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Speaker 4: are the names of your dogs? I'm curious.

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Speaker 1: We have Odell Beckham Junior Junior, we have Luca dog Chicks,

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Speaker 1: and we have Vince Lombardi. Well to well, first five, well,

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Speaker 1: he goes by Odi or Odell, Okay, then Luca goes

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Speaker 1: by chomps them chomps, and then uh, Vincent Lombardi goes

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Speaker 1: by Barty Barty Odie chumps.

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Speaker 3: If you're keeping score at home, within two minutes on

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Speaker 3: this broadcast, Doug has insulted me for being too wordy

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Speaker 3: and maybe too nuances.

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Speaker 4: It was constructive, constructive feedback.

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Speaker 3: More and then he gives the name of those dogs

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Speaker 3: that are far too nuanced and wordy.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, listen, that's their full names. Okay. My name

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Speaker 2: is Douglas Mitchell Gottlieb. I go by Doug. Okay.

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Speaker 1: It calls me Doug or dg or Doug Gottlieb. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so it's not nuanced. He asked the names. I gave

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Speaker 1: him the names. Then I gave what we actually call them.

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Speaker 1: That's okay, you were too wordy. No one would argue otherwise,

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Speaker 1: like Ryan, was that good trash talk from Jason Stewart

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Speaker 1: at Live in a baseball game?

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Speaker 4: No, it was pretty bad, right, I love that was

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Speaker 4: a small sample size, but I see ways that he

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Speaker 4: could have been more effective.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the point is that I'm your friend and

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you it was bad.

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Speaker 2: Do better.

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Speaker 1: And I have several other baseball friends who are like,

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Speaker 1: Jason's really heckling. Jose al Tuve, he's such a fan,

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Speaker 1: the he's such a fan. I was like, yeah, he

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Speaker 1: actually is. He's a real fan, real fan.

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Speaker 4: This is a sore subject. But during your first sideline

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Speaker 4: this past year, would would would you find me game? Okay,

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Speaker 4: we were there.

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Speaker 2: They're terrible.

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Speaker 4: Were there any that you kind of chuckled to yourself

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Speaker 4: and said, no, that's that was pretty clever.

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Speaker 1: Yes, there was so so most of them were really

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Speaker 1: most of you are terrible at it, Like go do

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Speaker 1: a podcast like that's not really trash talk, it's not

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Speaker 1: really past talk.

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Speaker 2: But there was.

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Speaker 1: There was a group at Cleveland State and what happened

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Speaker 1: was one of the guys was got a little bit

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Speaker 1: over the line where he was talking to asking him

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Speaker 1: where my daughter.

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Speaker 2: Harper's where's Harper? Where's Harper? Bring harp right?

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Speaker 1: So I went in a halftime halftime, I walked over

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Speaker 1: and I said, hey, look man, okay, that's out of bounds.

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Speaker 2: My daughter's out of bounds.

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Speaker 1: So mentor again, I'll have you escorted out of the arena,

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Speaker 1: which is my right as a coach.

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Speaker 2: So we go back to the second half and.

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Speaker 1: They're like, where's Gauge. What Gauge is my nephew. He's

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Speaker 1: he was a senior high school. Now he's going to

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Speaker 1: GCU as a manager Grand Canyon and he's like.

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Speaker 2: Is gauge out of bounds?

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Speaker 1: I thought that was funny. I thought that was funny.

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Speaker 1: That was a quick adjustment by a Cleveland State student.

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Speaker 1: Most of them were terrible, though. Every got heckled every game, so.

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Speaker 4: They're actually taking the time to do deep internet research.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of.

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Speaker 2: Group that group did. It's not that deep, but that

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Speaker 2: group did.

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Speaker 1: Most groups is just like, go back to your podcast

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Speaker 1: or your radio show.

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Speaker 2: Sucks to Okay, thanks.

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Speaker 4: By the way, that's cool about Gage Grand Canyon is

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Speaker 4: a great, great environment there, you go, great arena down there.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna work for Bryce. Uh. Bryce true a riot Smith.

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Speaker 2: You know what I.

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Speaker 9: Really like going to a podcast that's funny. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 9: it's not meaning, it's just funny. I was like, it's

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Speaker 9: it's so random, go to a podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to a podcast.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I hated the.

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Speaker 9: Fact that I had to relive the Astros beating the

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Speaker 9: Dodgers in that World Series, that Game seven when the

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Speaker 9: Dodgers lost. That was my birthday. I was that crushed

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Speaker 9: me and I and this weekend when we got swept

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Speaker 9: by them. I really hated that. So that would that's

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Speaker 9: what really take me off over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: And that is love and hate. Jay Stu, Jay Stu,

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Speaker 1: you know you know why that segment went so much quicker.

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Speaker 3: Let's see we have Ryan and I lo one here.

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Speaker 3: Sam's out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's we know our reason right that last part. YEP,

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Speaker 1: we love Sam. But if you think that your trash

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Speaker 1: talk was wordy, I give you Iowa Sam.

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Speaker 2: We're making a point.

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Speaker 3: It's been word He doesn't quite know where the stops

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Speaker 3: on is. You know that is the over aggressive runner

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Speaker 3: who goes right through the stops on.

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Speaker 1: He reminds me of was it plane trains and automobiles

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Speaker 1: where John Candy's driving the wrong way down the road

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Speaker 1: and some guy he pulls up alongside somebody and Gay goes.

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Speaker 2: You're going the wrong way, and he goes, you want

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Speaker 2: to race? He reminds me of you want to race?

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Speaker 8: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox sports

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Speaker 8: Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 1: It It's Doug Ottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. For forty years,

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Speaker 10: Here for Mexico albaadle de fake now it's hooked it.

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Speaker 10: It takes a flucking ats and Alvarez the fly cops

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Speaker 10: up for offside. Mexico have had multiple goals ruled out

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Speaker 10: for offside at this tournament and he's having a look

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Speaker 10: at this right now. Again, we're not looking for clear

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Speaker 10: and obvious here as we would at MLS.

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Speaker 2: What is looking for the right decision.

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Speaker 8: And it is a good goal.

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Speaker 10: It is a Mexico goal. It is ed Sin Alvarez

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Speaker 10: who's given Mexico the lane with twelve minutes to play.

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Speaker 1: That was the call on FS one of the what

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Speaker 1: became game winning in Gold Cup. Winning call a call

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Speaker 1: goal excuse me by Mexico. That's the Doug Gottlieb Show.

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Speaker 1: It's Fox Sports Radio, and oh, I am so excited

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Speaker 1: to have our good friend Rick bucheron. Of course, he

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Speaker 2: You read his work at Fox sports.

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Speaker 1: Dot com and he followed the NBA for the past

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Speaker 1: twenty five years, Bucus synonymous with his coverage of the sport. Okay,

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Speaker 1: get me the state of the LA Lakers, right, DeAndre

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Speaker 1: Aytons signs Okay.

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Speaker 2: There was.

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Speaker 1: Brian windhors Is like, Hey, I never said this before,

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Speaker 1: but wouldn't be crazy if you know there's a window

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Speaker 1: there where Lebron could be moved.

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Speaker 2: What's the state of the Lakers as of what is

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Speaker 2: this July.

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Speaker 11: Seventh looks it's not beyond the realm of possibility, But

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Speaker 11: the reality is it's more a reflection of the relationship

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Speaker 11: between Lebron and the Lakers than their ability to actually

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Speaker 11: do something, which is, he knows they're moving on. They

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Speaker 11: know they're moving on. He no longer has the same

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Speaker 11: juice there and so a lot of this, a lot

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Speaker 11: of this is just trying to create as much leverage

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Speaker 11: for Lebron as he can in terms of his influence

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Speaker 11: remaining influence with the team. But the fact of the

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Speaker 11: matter is they're building around Luka Doncic and what they

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Speaker 11: would get back for Lebron. I don't think they have

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Speaker 11: any issue with moving on from Lebron or moving Lebron

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Speaker 11: at this point, But what they would get back for

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Speaker 11: him wouldn't be commensurate with what he's still capable of

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Speaker 11: doing for them. So as big as a contract is no,

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Speaker 11: but this idea that people want like or thinking of

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Speaker 11: Lebron in the same terms as fans do NBA teams.

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Speaker 11: And it's been a couple of years now. I've talked

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Speaker 11: to a number of you know, over the years when

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Speaker 11: he's suggested that he might look around or he might

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Speaker 11: go someplace else, And I had any number of owners say,

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Speaker 11: I just don't know that it's financially worth it at

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Speaker 11: this point, because you know, it's a rental. You know,

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Speaker 11: he's their short term and it's not just him as

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Speaker 11: a player, it's everything else that you have to give

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Speaker 11: over or deal with as a result of Lebron being

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Speaker 11: part of your franchise. So I know there's the popular

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Speaker 11: thing is he's going to go back to Cleveland. It

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Speaker 11: makes no sense for Cleveland at this stage for where

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Speaker 11: that team is and what they're building. Why do you

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Speaker 11: reach back. I mean it would be a nostalgic move

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Speaker 11: if certainly Lebron I think on some levels would invite,

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Speaker 11: you know, one last year in Cleveland, but for the

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Speaker 11: arc of that team and where they are, it doesn't

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Speaker 11: make any sense and I can't. I can't look at

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Speaker 11: another team where I say acquiring Lebron James makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so what do you think? Give me the best guess.

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Speaker 1: What do you think happens over this and into next year?

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Speaker 11: I would imagine that, Well, what I'm waiting for is

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Speaker 11: to hear whether this is going to be Lebron's last run.

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Speaker 11: And I don't know that he's decided that, but it

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Speaker 11: it feels like it's simply because he could have opted

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Speaker 11: out and created his normal scenario of signing a one

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Speaker 11: on one and extending it and giving us the impression

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Speaker 11: that he is he's considering playing another year, he didn't

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Speaker 11: do that, and I think this is this might be

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Speaker 11: the first time where he's actually exercised his option for

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Speaker 11: the final year and is playing it out. And maybe

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Speaker 11: some of that is to check the landscape. I hate

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Speaker 11: to say it, but check the landscape is a pasta

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Speaker 11: Is there a world where Bronnie and Bryce and Lebron

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Speaker 11: can all play together? You know, whether that's on his

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Speaker 11: on his bucket list or not. But then again, you

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Speaker 11: have to look at what franchise at this stage is

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Speaker 11: looking to have Lebron and his two sons and would

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Speaker 11: be willing to do all that is necessary the sacrifice

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Speaker 11: is made to make that happen. It would be an

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Speaker 11: interesting box office draw, but as far as the development

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Speaker 11: and evolution of a franchise, it would be a hard sell.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it can be fascinating.

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Speaker 1: My problem with them saying it's his last go round

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Speaker 1: would be he would have to have the We know

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Speaker 1: he wants a tour, right like he wants all the celebration. Sure,

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Speaker 1: and if he wanted that, why didn't you know why

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Speaker 1: the messaging recently, although the messaging never seems to add

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Speaker 1: up to the reality, So I'm not really that.

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Speaker 11: Would Honestly, I feel as if a lot of the

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Speaker 11: messaging coming from from Rich Paul primarily is just trying

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Speaker 11: to create the image or the impression. I mean, part

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Speaker 11: of it is like I'm still playing for championships, Let's

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Speaker 11: be serious. I mean, what what like that's just you know,

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Speaker 11: it's just lip service at this point. There there's there's

668
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Speaker 11: not a world in which if that is truly the case,

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Speaker 11: then you would be doing the Tom Brady thing and

670
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 11: you would be taking less than you're eligible to take.

671
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Speaker 1: And and you wouldn't have and you wouldn't have had

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Speaker 1: them focus so much attention on Brownie, right like, like

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't.

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Speaker 11: All of that, all of that he's not as is.

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00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 11: Could he be part of a championship team? Absolutely he could, yes, yes,

676
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 11: But is he willing to play the role necessary to

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00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 11: be part of a championship team? And that's that's the

678
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 11: heart of it. And you know that, I know that,

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00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 11: and fans may not recognize that, but I assure you

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Speaker 11: that NBA franchises.

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Speaker 2: Do okay, Golden State Warriors, Yes, their status.

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Speaker 11: Oh man, that's an interesting, interesting dynamic there. I mean,

683
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 11: they're exploring to see what the market is for Kaminga

684
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Speaker 11: and you know, the the impressions right now or are

685
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 11: they're they're stuck in this place where again sort of

686
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 11: like the Lebron question, you know, can we get better?

687
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Speaker 11: Can we trade him for something that's going to make

688
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 11: us appreciably better? And they have not seen or heard

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00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 11: anything to this point that I know of that that

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00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 11: rings that bell. There's a lot of talk about Al

691
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Speaker 11: Horford uh coming in there. I think that gives you

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Speaker 11: a great indicator of what their what their mindset is,

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Speaker 11: which is We're we're going to ride this out, Draymond

694
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Speaker 11: set Jimmy like, we're we're maybe we should have thrown

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00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 11: everything to taking one last run with these guys a

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Speaker 11: couple of years ago when they tried to kind of

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Speaker 11: do both develop the young guys and uh and and

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Speaker 11: serve the remaining stars. But as of right now, it's

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00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 11: we're just going to push everything. We're going to push

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Speaker 11: all our chips to the middle of the table. We're

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Speaker 11: going to see what's the best team that we can

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Speaker 11: build right now, and we're not going to worry about tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Okay, can they build a championship caliber team right?

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Speaker 6: Like?

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Speaker 11: I just I don't know. I don't know that they can.

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Speaker 11: And this is the heart of it. It it it

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00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 11: starts with death. Not that step isn't still a very

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00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 11: good to great player and don't tell me about making

709
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Speaker 11: all NBA and all that, and that's who he is.

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Speaker 11: But he just he can't do as much as he

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00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 11: needs to with this cast around him. And if you

712
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 11: look at Guards point guards, this is the next everybody's

713
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 11: like in the Adels, his dad said, you know he

714
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 11: could play into his forties, Yeah he could. But as

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Speaker 11: far as being an All Star as far as being

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Speaker 11: a difference maker, Like if you look at Jayson Kidd,

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Speaker 11: John Stockton, Chris Paul, like all of them, even as

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Speaker 11: good as they were about taking care of their bodies

719
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Speaker 11: and as smart as they were and all of that,

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Speaker 11: he's right at the age where they can still play

721
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Speaker 11: and they can still be confident, but they're no longer

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Speaker 11: at a star level. And that is that's the role

723
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Speaker 11: of the dice here, and that's the reality of where

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Speaker 11: we are is that is Death just isn't the megastar

725
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Speaker 11: that he once was. And so you look at this

726
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Speaker 11: team and neither's Draymond at the top of his game.

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Speaker 11: So you look at it and it's really you know,

728
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Speaker 11: who's who's going to make up for the fact that

729
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 11: you don't have you know, nine, ten, eleven deep, that

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Speaker 11: you're you're relying on a second round pick in Quinton

731
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Speaker 11: Post to be a factor and you're getting the most

732
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Speaker 11: or got the most out of a buddy heel. It's

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Speaker 11: just it's diminishing returns. It's just the reality. And I

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Speaker 11: think that when people see the personal accolades or they

735
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 11: look at the statistics of the numbers, they think that

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Speaker 11: these guys are the same as they were, and they're

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Speaker 11: simply not stuck.

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Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, where are

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Speaker 1: we with Giannis in regards to stay or go?

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Speaker 11: Everything that I have heard to this point is that

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Speaker 11: he's still he's still saying that that he's you know,

742
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Speaker 11: there's a lot of innuendo about he didn't like the

743
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Speaker 11: Damian Lillard move or the Miles Turner move, and I

744
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 11: think once it if that was ever true, and I

745
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 11: don't know that it was, but if it was ever true,

746
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Speaker 11: once it was explained to him why they did what

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Speaker 11: they did, and that they did Damien a favor, uh,

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Speaker 11: and that by doing what they did with Damien it

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00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 11: actually allowed them to sign a Miles Turner and be

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00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 11: more competitive in the short term. This wasn't this wasn't

751
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 11: like pairing it to the stud This was wheezing out.

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00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 11: How do we still stay in the mix? So I

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00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 11: think with all of that and the guys that they've

754
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 11: re signed, everything that I know to this point is

755
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 11: as sexy as it would be to entertain, where could

756
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 11: Yannis go and what's going to happen next? Everything that

757
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 11: I know is that he's still planning to stay in Milwaukee.

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Speaker 1: Mike is the new head coach of the Knicks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how does what's the league saying about that?

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Speaker 11: Yeah? I mean, I uh, if this had been their

761
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 11: plan from the start, they jumped out there and recruited

762
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Speaker 11: or interview Taylor Jenkins and Mike Brown, and we're trying

763
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Speaker 11: to decide where they were going to go there, I

764
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 11: think people would would would feel a little more confident

765
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Speaker 11: about this. Nobody's looking at Nobody in the league looks

766
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 11: at at at this move and has told me, Oh,

767
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 11: this is just what they needed to have happened, Like

768
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Speaker 11: this is going to make the difference. Tom Thibodeau had

769
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Speaker 11: his strengths and weaknesses. Mike Brown has his strengths and weaknesses.

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Speaker 11: They're kind of along the same line. Mike Brown's offense

771
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 11: the game UH and understanding has evolved somewhat, but still

772
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Speaker 11: for the most part, he's a defensive oriented coach. He's

773
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 11: a little soft touch than uh than tips his approach

774
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 11: and his personality, but it's not it's not as anybody's

775
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 11: looking at Mike Brown and saying he's going to be

776
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Speaker 11: a game changer. And my concern is the last time

777
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 11: I saw him in a big market was in LA

778
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 11: and that was short lived and UH and New York

779
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 11: is a lot grittier and a lot tougher than UH

780
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 11: than than LA. The microscope is a lot more intense,

781
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 11: and I'll be interested to see how he handles that,

782
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Speaker 11: particularly with the bar set where it is. They have

783
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 11: to be good, They have to be good right from

784
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 11: the start, and we'll see whether whether he's capable of

785
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Speaker 11: meeting the mark.

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Speaker 2: Last thing.

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Speaker 1: Rick Pieker's our guest year on the Doug Gottlieb Show

788
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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, Uh, there's there's a bunch

789
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: of teams and players we haven't.

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Speaker 2: Spoken about what's the next shoe to drop? Right?

791
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: Kevin Rant's been moved, Lillard's a free agent. Okay, but

792
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of guys who's that What's what's the

793
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: next shoe to drop?

794
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Speaker 11: I we go back to the Warriors trying to find

795
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 11: a way to move Kaminga. I mean, I don't know

796
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 11: that of the teams that you know, we look at

797
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 11: that are we're intrigued by as far as what are

798
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Speaker 11: they going to do next? I know there's a lot

799
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 11: there's still some speculation out there that Memphiss is testing

800
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 11: the Waters with John rant and and what they could

801
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 11: possibly do or get there again. I think it's going

802
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 11: to have to be I don't think they're Their impetus

803
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 11: to move him is we have to move him, we

804
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 11: have to find a deal. Like we're turning the page.

805
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 11: I think it's they're exploring to see whether there's something

806
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 11: out there for them to do. And I at the

807
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 11: end of the day, I don't know that they're going

808
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 11: to get something. They haven't been presented anything to this

809
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 11: point that they're going to be presented something that's going

810
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 11: to convince them this is the move to make. We're

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00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 11: going to be better as a result, we're going to

812
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Speaker 11: sell more tickets, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Rick Buker check them out at Fox Sports One. Of course,

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Speaker 1: you can hear him right here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: Reada's work at foxsports dot com. Buki the best, Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Go