1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,119 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how stupwork 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey you welcome to stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and I am Christian Seger. 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: So I had an epiphany a couple of days ago 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: that's completely turned my life around, and it spawned the 6 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: idea for this episode. Ye. Yeah. For the last almost 7 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: twenty years, I have believed that if you drink too 8 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 1: much green tea, you will eventually start hallucinating. And uh, 9 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: it all came from a horror story that I read 10 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: in college in a class. My professor didn't correct that 11 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: false assumption that was in this story. We talked about 12 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: the story and its contents, but we didn't talk about 13 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: the fact that you can't actually hallucinate. Well, we'll get 14 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: into that you can. But but green tea was, at 15 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: the time Victorian Aire assumed to cause people hallucinations or hysteria. 16 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,199 Speaker 1: You know, this is this is interesting because I believe 17 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: there was this American Life that aired years back, and 18 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: the at least the opening bit was about these little 19 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: mistaken ideas that we sometimes have in our head, like 20 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: stuff that's it's not important enough that it gets completely 21 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: ruled out or corrected. Early on, but you end up 22 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: just holding onto it, like in the In the bit, 23 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: there was a there was a particular woman who always 24 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: thought that unicorns were real. She just she didn't really 25 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: look into the matter. She just had it in her mind. 26 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: This is a real animal. I've totally met people who 27 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: have thought they're real too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this 28 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: was like that. And I was so embarrassed when I 29 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: realized the truth. But um, I mean, it's not like 30 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: I've avoided green tea. In fact, I'm drinking it right 31 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: now as we recording this episode. But uh, I've made 32 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: sure like I don't drink too much because that's what 33 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: I had learned in this class. Well, I mean, moderation 34 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: and all things right, And it doesn't seem like it's 35 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: that unrealistic. There are plenty of substances where if you 36 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: drink too much of it, weird or bad things can happen, 37 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: you know, not to people who drink alcohol tend to 38 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: know do not drink too much alcohol. If you drink 39 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: too much coffee, you may get a bit jit ury 40 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: and weird. So the idea that if you drink too 41 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: much green tea you might have some level of mild hallucination. 42 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: It's not unrealistic, and it turns out that there's a 43 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: little bit a little bit of truth to it. But 44 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: the the whole myth just spun completely out of control. Uh, 45 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: Like I said, during the Victorian era, but primarily because 46 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 1: of this short horror story called Green Tea by Sheridan 47 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: Lafanu Uh. He was an Irish writer of Gothic mysteries 48 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 1: and ghost stories. Um. This story was first published in 49 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: the United States in five but it was originally published 50 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: in England in eighteen seventy two. It was in his 51 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:59,119 Speaker 1: collection called in a Glass Darkly Uh. And just for context, 52 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: that public cation that was only a year before he died, 53 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: so he was kind of at the end of his life. 54 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: I was rereading the story for this episode as well, 55 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: and the story contextually, I think takes place much earlier 56 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: than that. I think it's like the beginning part of 57 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: the nineteenth century. And this is very much a stuffy 58 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: British ghost story. When you totally not not to not 59 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: to hate on that type of ghost story, sometimes that's 60 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: exactly what I'm in the mood for. But this is 61 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 1: a British intellectual encounter of something kind of weird that 62 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: challenges his Britishness, but ultimately his Britishness is enough to 63 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: overcome the anti Britishness. Yeah. Absolutely. This is one of 64 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: those rare stories, especially for the time, to where it's 65 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: a horror story, but it chooses science over the supernatural 66 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: for its explanation, which is where the whole great Tea 67 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: things that comes from. Although it just turns out that 68 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: the scientific explanation in this story was just as superficial. Yeah. 69 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: I love a good, ultimately phony scientific explanation in an 70 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: old horror story. There was a horror movie years and 71 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: years back, I guess the nineteen seventies Horror Express. Did 72 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: you ever see wonderful film as Christopher Lee in it? Uh? 73 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: Teddy Sevalis, Kelly Savalis Uh A Siberian train a hammer movie, 74 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: I believe it was. And there's a there's like an 75 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: undead Neanderthal type creature and it's it's a lot of fun. 76 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: But the big scientific moment is when they discussed that 77 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: you can like look at the molecules and you can 78 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: basically look at an eye under a microscope and see 79 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: the things it saw or something completely ridiculous and totally 80 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: blast me out of the movie even in a horror 81 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: movie about undead neandertal. Yeah, yeah, no, I think you 82 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: know that would be an interesting thing for us to tackle, 83 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: is like scientific misassumptions that we've we've had over the 84 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: years from various like sci fi, fantasy and uh, horror 85 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: explanations for things. So the story Green Tea goes like this, 86 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna spoil and almost a hundred and fifty year 87 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: old story for you here, so brace yourselves. Uh. There's 88 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: this guy named Mr Jennings. He's a clergyman and he 89 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: keeps seeing the evil spirit of a monkey. Uh, and 90 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: he turns to a doctor for help. The doctor rejects 91 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: the idea that something supernatural is happening. Oh. This is 92 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: Dr Hacilius, by the way, who's a reoccurring character. He is. Yeah, 93 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: the whole book, the whole collection of short stories are 94 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: are written from his perspective, I think. And he's kind 95 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: of like he's like a proto Sherlock Holmes. But he's 96 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: a doctor and he but he knows everything, and he 97 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: like he does that Sherlock Holmes thing where he like, 98 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: uh just like says a bunch of facts about people 99 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: without them like telling him anything just to like show 100 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: off how smart he is, how how logical he is. Anyways, Yeah, 101 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 1: so his whole thing is there's nothing supernatural happening here. 102 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: What's going on is you've been drinking green tea for 103 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: years every night before you go to bed, Mr Jennings, 104 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: and it's in your nervous system, and that's what's making 105 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: you see this evil monkey and it eventually drives Jenning 106 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: to Jennings to commit suicide. Uh. And the end of 107 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: the story is essentially the doctor how do how do 108 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: you say his name again? Hascilius has Cilius is how 109 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: I was reading him. Okay, so he, you know, basically 110 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: is like, well there's one for science. Like, it's too 111 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: bad that he, you know, killed himself. But he seemed 112 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: like a good man. But that's what happens when you 113 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: drink too much green tea, you know. I have to 114 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: say when I when I went into this story and 115 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: I had not I had not read this one previously. 116 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: This one was new to me. I was expecting a 117 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 1: far more racist and xenophobic tale. Yeah, and it it 118 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: really doesn't have It really doesn't have much in the 119 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: way of xenophobia racism at least on the on the surface, Well, 120 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: there isn't a lot of if I remember correctly, they 121 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: don't even really reference the sort of Chinese origin of 122 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: tea in it that much, right, right, Yeah, Like I 123 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: went back through it and I did the word search. 124 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: It's like, all right, let's see if they're a needs 125 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: specific means of Asia China and not so much it. Uh. Now, 126 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: it does raise a couple of questions that I think 127 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: can point to certain you know, mild racist store xenophobic ideas, 128 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: such as drinking a lot of green tea makes you 129 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: see ghost monkeys? Then does that mean everyone in in 130 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: Asia is walking around seeing ghost monkeys? Are just the 131 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: average street in China is just littered with ghost monkey 132 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: It's just yeah, it's just a part of everyday life. 133 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: And this one guy just couldn't handle it. The ghost 134 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: monkey isn't really that malicious, and in fact, I think 135 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: there's even a scene where he like goes to touch 136 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: it in his hand, just passes through it. Yeah. I mean, 137 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: maybe it's the equivalent of the little uh, you know, 138 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: the little waving cat toy that you see everything. You 139 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: just get used to seeing ghost monkeys everywhere, menacing it. 140 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: I think, Um, I think what it speaks to about 141 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: the context that this was written and actually is that 142 00:07:55,760 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: xenophobia wasn't overt right, it was just like the Chinese 143 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: and the origin of these products was invisible in English 144 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: society at that time, and so they just didn't talk 145 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: about it, didn't think about it, didn't even consider, oh, well, 146 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: we have uh problems with green tea here, but why 147 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: would we even think about what's happening with the people 148 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: in China drinking it? Right? I think that I think 149 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: that's what my explanation would be for why they're not 150 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: in there. But there's there's some really interesting stuff contextually 151 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: going on with green tea at the time, and so 152 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna establish that first, and then we're 153 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: gonna take a look at what's actually going on with 154 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: green tea with the caveat that Robert and I quickly 155 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: found of researching this episode. There is a lot of 156 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: research about green tea out there, like too much for 157 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: anyone human being to read in the lifetime. I think, yeah, 158 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: if you follow any particular science news outlets, or if 159 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: you do you look at the studies that are coming out, 160 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: green tea is just always hitting. It's like green tea, coffee, 161 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: and red wine pretty much. If you want to find 162 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: a study on any of those three things that relates 163 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: to any particular part of your anatomy or life or 164 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: functionality as a as an organism, it's out there. It 165 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: reminds me of this Lewis Black bit that he used 166 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: to do about milk, and he would talked right, it's like, yeah, 167 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: the study comes out and it says milks good for you, 168 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: and then another study comes out and it says milks 169 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: bad for you, and it switches back and forth like 170 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: every week, and he's just like, I don't know what 171 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: to do with this. You know, that was a terrible 172 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: Lewis but but yeah, basically green tea is kind of 173 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: the same, except for the now we're not getting that 174 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: many studies that are like, green tea is bad for you. 175 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: We're getting oh, it's so good for you, can do this, 176 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: it can do that, it can do this, right, Yeah, 177 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: it's the level to which it is good for you. 178 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. So uh. But what was going on at 179 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: the time that Green Tea was written was basically the 180 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: medical field was really pulling away from the supernatural and 181 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: hyper focusing on science. So that's why you know, we've 182 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 1: talked before about how uh like trace this back a 183 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: couple hundred years for this to John d where the 184 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: science field at the time very much incorporated aspects of 185 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: the supernatural into it. Now at this period of time, 186 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: as Victorian era, uh, they're pulling away from that, really 187 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: focusing on science. So they're saying voices and visions that 188 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: are seen by people were really they were associated with 189 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: a false perception of their senses rather than actual ghosts 190 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: or demons. And some of the ideas that surrounded this 191 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: were connected to human blood and how it circulated from 192 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: the heart to the brain. So they're trying to be science, 193 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: but they were just you know, it wasn't very empirical. 194 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: The idea was um that like when you hang your 195 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: head down and then you quickly raise it up, you know, 196 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: you see spots or lights because you're getting a head rush. 197 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: And this Victorian kind of science explanation was like, oh, well, 198 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: that's that's got to be the explanation for problems like 199 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: this green t situation. So yeah, the the story itself 200 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: seemed progressive for the time, right because he was like, a, ha, 201 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: there's no such thing as a. It's like Scooby Doo 202 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: at the end, and it's like there's no ghost, it's 203 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: green tea. But the medical logic is not correct at all. 204 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: And here I am almost a hundred and fifty years 205 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: later and I totally bought it for a good chunk 206 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: of my life. Um So what was going on was 207 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: by the eight seventies there was a shift away from 208 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: green tea toward black tea. And the reason why was 209 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: black tea was cheaper to produce because it was sourced 210 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: directly from British plantations that were in India and Ceylon, 211 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 1: and therefore consumers thought that it was more likely to 212 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: be of high quality because they knew where it was 213 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: coming from, like these we're British managed plantations, right, and 214 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: that it was being cut uh with all kinds of 215 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: weird things, various plants, iron filings. Will get to that 216 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: in a minute. Going back to this story, though, we 217 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: gotta turn to one of our stuff to blow your 218 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: mind experts that we often summon up. He's been a 219 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: former guest on the show A. S. T. Joshi and Uh. 220 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: He wrote in his Unutterable Horror book, he has a 221 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: long section about the story Green Tea and leaf a 222 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: news writings, and he says, quote, there's a certain amount 223 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: of evidence that in a story written only ten years 224 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: after the publication of Darwin's Origin of Species, the monkey 225 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: represents from a Christian perspective, the rejection or at least 226 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: the potential for the rejection of God and the entire 227 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: Christian worldview. So that maybe puts a little bit into 228 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: perspective about this whole science versus supernatural thing. But then 229 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: also I didn't realize this. He points out that Lafoneu 230 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: was apparently a follower of this Christian UH like break 231 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: off group called sweden borgi Ism I think and UH 232 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: named after a guy who from Sweden whose last name 233 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: was Swedenborg. Uh. And I didn't have a lot of 234 00:12:55,520 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: time to dive down that shoot, but apparently, uh, Josh 235 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: he sees Green Tea as being like a morality tale 236 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: from the standpoint of somebody with that belief system. Interesting, 237 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: you know. I ran across a two thousand nine gender 238 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: studies article by this guy, Daniel Lewis of Ball State University, 239 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: and he argued that the story is ultimately about the 240 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: need for a closely guarded and bound male body and 241 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: identity at the time and read a quick quote from it. 242 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: Here says Hissilius argues that there is a fluid whose 243 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: nature is spiritual quote though not immaterial, that circulates through 244 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: the brain. It is through the abuse of various substances 245 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: quote green tea is one that enables a surface of 246 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: the brain to be quote unduly exposed on which disembodied 247 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: spirits can operate contained within. Hissilius's theories are a warning 248 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: for men against the use of foreign substances like green tea. 249 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: But we can add the exposure to foreign text and 250 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 1: I he is as well that served to unnaturally expose 251 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: areas of the body. To be healthy, the male body 252 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: must be regulated, controlled and closed off, not leaky like 253 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: Jennings body at the end of the story. Huh. That's 254 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: an interesting argument, especially in lieu of what I was 255 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: just earlier saying about, like the invisibility of the Chinese 256 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: in this story, which is there's no discussion about them 257 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: or the origin of this tea. Uh So, that's sort 258 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: of like he's implying that exposure to foreign ideas or 259 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: materials is the idea behind this story, right, the sort 260 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: of the menace behind the story but at the same time, 261 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: like it's never explicit, it's just a completely implicit horse story. Yeah, 262 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: it's it's interesting to think on the whole, like the 263 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: threat of the farm, because of course foreign things do 264 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: change you. They open you up to new ideas, and 265 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: that's wonderful. I wholly embrace that. But but at the time, 266 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: it's interesting to draw that distinction between green and black tea. 267 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: When black tea it's elf is an import it is 268 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: a foreign thing that has been acquired by the colonial power, 269 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: as has so much in the in the domain of 270 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: the British Empire. Yeah, and from what I was reading, 271 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: you know, ultimately this just comes down to making money, uh, 272 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: and that like black tea was Uh, you made more 273 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: money off of black tea because it was drier and 274 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: it was subsequently easier to pack into a ship, so 275 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: you could you could pack more of it for travel 276 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: and selling it in Great Britain. And then there was 277 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: also the factor of they were saying, well, once we 278 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: get the green tea over there, we want to make 279 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: it last a little bit longer, so we'll add some 280 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, hazelwood, or we'll add uh the iron 281 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: filings I mentioned earlier into it, and so everybody was 282 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: drinking this adulterated green tea, to the point that apparently, 283 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: like when when unique sellers would would stand up and say, like, 284 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: we are only selling pure green tea, people wouldn't believe 285 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: it was green tea because they look at it and go, 286 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: that's the wrong color. I don't want that. That's not 287 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: actually green tea. Interesting. I mean, of course, it's one 288 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: thing we'll touch on getting again here, is that ultimately, 289 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: a T is any hot water that has something added 290 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: to it, herbs or and and um, you know, dried 291 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: leaves of something. Uh. You have various concoctions that are 292 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: technically a T if you want to get get even 293 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: more vague with your definition. Just a cup of hot 294 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: water without anything in it can be and has been 295 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: referred to as tea in various texts, particularly and in 296 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: Chinese text Yeah. I have a friend I was telling 297 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: you about before we went on air who's like a 298 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: teen nerd. He's like really hardcore about his tea, and 299 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: he would argue that's not true, like it has to 300 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: come from the specific plant. It's only tea that like 301 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: stuff like you know how you go to like the 302 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: grocery store and they have like Breathe Deep tea or 303 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: stress relief tea or whatever. Well, that doesn't have the 304 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: specific plant in it. It's just a different you know, 305 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: mallegation of herbs. Right, And he's like, that's not tea, 306 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: Like he's very strict about that. But you're right. In 307 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: other cultures people, you know, tea has a lot of 308 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: different meanings. Well, well, let's get into it. What is 309 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:19,719 Speaker 1: green tea. Let's let's define the potential monkey summoning substance here. Okay, 310 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: so all green tea is the unfermented product of the 311 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: Chamelia synensious plant. Might be saying that wrong again, my 312 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: latin not the best. But green tea and black tea 313 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: are technically made from the same plant, but in a 314 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 1: less processed green form. There's a higher level of the 315 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: original substances that are in that plant, which is why 316 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: we have these arguments about well, green teas is really 317 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: good for you because it has X, Y, and Z 318 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: and what will dive deeper down those chemical roots? Uh? 319 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: No pun intendant uh later in the episode. But yeah, 320 00:17:55,800 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: essentially it's just it comes from this one plant, uh, 321 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: and then it's you know, developed in various ways, Like 322 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: I said, black tea's dryer, green tea's weather, or at 323 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: least it was in the Victorian or Yeah, it's It's 324 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: worth pointing out too that that black tea is actually 325 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: red tea in several Asian languages, including Mandarin Chinese. So 326 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: in Mandarin, green tea is lucha and red tea is 327 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: hong sha, So essentially that's red tea, and it does 328 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 1: have a reddish appearance to Yeah, definitely, I wonder where 329 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 1: the black came from other than just like the difference 330 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: between the actual loose dried tea or it may I 331 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: guess have to do with just the like the the 332 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: fact that many Asian teas, like we're discussing, they seem 333 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: to be a weaker concoction. Yeah, and the you know, 334 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: the Western is gonna hold of it. They want a stronger, 335 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: blacker concoction. Yea. Even then it's like, do you ever 336 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: have teeth? It's just really black. No, especially when you 337 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: think about coffee in relation. But like like I was 338 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: saying before we went on air, I drink my tea 339 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: really really better, and I leave like a bag in 340 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 1: basically until I've done drink either drinking from the cup 341 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: or from the cattle. I just I don't mind it. 342 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: But like you said, like you know, sometimes I'll go 343 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: to a Chinese restaurant here in the United States and 344 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: they'll serve tea and it's it's fine, but it's like 345 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: incredibly weak compared to what I normally drink at home. Yeah. Now, 346 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: of course, China is is the sort of the birthplace 347 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: of tea culture. It is. It has a rich history 348 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: of of of tea cultivation and use recreationally, socially, religiously. 349 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: In Chinese mythology, tea is a is sometimes attributed to 350 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: the second mythical emperor of the twenty eighth century b c. 351 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: E Uh. This is shinnng She who actually came up 352 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: in our cannabis episode, remember him. So this is the 353 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: guy tea and weed. Yeah, well see, this is the 354 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: divine farmer, founder of Chinese herbal medicine. And if you 355 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: remember from that past episode, he either he either tasted 356 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: hundreds of herbs or thrashed them with his magical whip 357 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: in order to learn their property. And according to one legend, 358 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: he consumes seventy poisons in a single day in order 359 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: to bring herbal medicine into the world. Now, as far 360 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: as Key goes, the story is that he he sat 361 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 1: beneath a camellia tree and he boiled water for drinking again, 362 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: drinking hot water as as long going to practice in 363 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: China for for a number of reasons. But the short 364 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 1: answer is that it's supposed to be good for your health. 365 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: But then dried leaves fell from the tree into his 366 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: mug or bowl of water, so he smelled it smelled good, 367 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 1: and presumably he'd had sixty nine or fewer poisons that day, 368 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: so he said, what heck, I'll give it a taste 369 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: to what this is like. Uh. He he liked it, 370 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: and the rest is history. There's also a story from 371 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: Chinese Buddhism in which boded Harma, the fifth or sixth 372 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: century Chinese patriarch of China Buddhism. He is supposedly the 373 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: source of the first tea leaves. So, according to the 374 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: practice of Chinese Buddhism by Holmes Welch quote, the first 375 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 1: tea plans said to have grown from voted harms eyelashes, 376 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: which he cut off to keep himself awake during meditation. Interesting, 377 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: now I want to have some eyelash tea I wonder 378 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: if you can get that at Whole Foods. It's very 379 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: pricey to have a Buddhist patriarch. Actually, well, by the 380 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 1: time it was first introduced in England in the mid 381 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 1: sixteen hundreds, it was mostly green, like what I was saying, 382 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: and it remained really popular because both doctors and the 383 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: Temperance movement were recommending it, because they're saying, hey, this 384 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: is an alternative to stuff like beer, you should drink 385 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: green tea instead. Uh. And that's where you know it 386 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: had the surge and popularity at first. But then, like 387 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: I said, because of these sort of machination is behind 388 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: the distribution of green tea. Then the rise of black 389 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: tea came along, and I think that's why today you 390 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: see more black tea. When you think of black, I 391 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: mean black tea is essentially British at this point English 392 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: inevitably a foreign important English breakfast. I meant to say, yeah, yeah, 393 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: that's certainly that's when I think of black tea. That's 394 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: that and Earl Gray are the first thing that popped 395 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: into my head. All right, Well, on that note, we're 396 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: gonna take a quick break. We're gonna steep some more tea, 397 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: maybe you will as well. And when we come back, 398 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: we are going to get into this hallucination issue. Can 399 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: green tea really summon the monkey spirit? Okay, we're back. 400 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: So the reason why this hallucination rumor got started in 401 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: the first place and why left anew latched onto it 402 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: was there was an actual medical journal article published in 403 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: eight thirty nine in the British medical journal The Lancet, 404 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: which is pretty well known even today. Uh. And it 405 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: was by a guy named George Sigmund, and it was 406 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: on the positive and negative effects of tea. And he 407 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: wrote that while green tea did have medicinal properties, it 408 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: could cause stomach problems and a quote fluttering in the chest. Uh. 409 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: And he cited a paper that he had read in 410 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 1: Glasgow Medical Journal of a woman who experienced excruciating stomach 411 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: pain and symptoms of hysteria where she was shrieking and 412 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: she was perspiring from her forehead. I like that, that's 413 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: one of the symptoms. Um. And they attributed it to 414 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: her drinking green tea on an empty stomach. And they said, oh, 415 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: you had an empty stomach and you didn't dilute your 416 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 1: green tea with milk, cream or sugar. Uh. So the 417 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: way they calmed her down was by giving her and 418 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: this is a direct quote, six grains of solid opium 419 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: and four drachmas of texture that the green tea was 420 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: way too much for your Here have some opium that 421 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: you know. This is something that came to mind and 422 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 1: in reading the story, because if you want to think 423 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: about Asian imports to Britain that can give you an 424 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: altered state of mind. I mean, there's opium right there. 425 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: You don't even need a mess with the green Yeah. Yeah, 426 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: well and certainly I mean there was uh, you know 427 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: opium distribution in England at the time as well too. 428 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, again another like thing that was just kind 429 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: of ignored by left Anue in this story. Uh. But 430 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: the real problem, like I said, was the tea people 431 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: were basically distributing adulterated t right, So uh, you have 432 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: this situation, like I said, iron findings, there were also 433 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 1: plants like Hawthorne, and then the other thing that was 434 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 1: making them adulterated was the die that they would add 435 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: to them. So you had vertegras, Prussian blue, Dutch pink, 436 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: Ferris sulfate, copper carbonate, and then my favorite die to 437 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: use on T sheep dung. Apparently the sheep dung was 438 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: the one that was the least harmful to the people 439 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: drinking it. It was so common, and this is what 440 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,479 Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier. It was so common these distributors when 441 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: they tried to actually put out the real thing, people 442 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 1: would say, Nope, that's the wrong color. Please add some 443 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: sheep dung. Wow. If only they thought to promote what 444 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: is it? Is it? Ga macha? Where have you have 445 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: the toasted rice and the green tea tea? I don't know, 446 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: so wonderful tasting teeth. Yeah, I've just been promoting that 447 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: no sheep dung required. Well, yeah, I don't know. There 448 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: was all kinds of stuff going on with I mean, 449 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: this isn't just tea, Like we're highlighting tea in this episode, 450 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: but there's a lot like weird industrial food practices that 451 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: just weren't good for people that unlike today where food 452 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: is perfect. Actually we're gonna come full circle back around 453 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: to this again by the end of the episode. Um, 454 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: so okay, So this this causes the reputation of green 455 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: tea to grow worse. Green Tea the horror story doesn't 456 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: help green tea, all right, Yeah, it's got caffeine in it. 457 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: It's a stimulant. It affects our entire central nervous system, 458 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: and that probably helps us with alertness, right, But there 459 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: is evidence that in some extreme cases, caffeine can cause 460 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: nervous twitching, hallucinations, and anxiety. An excessive caffeine can cause tremors, dizziness, confusion, insomnia, restlessness, agitation, 461 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: and an irregular heartbeat. But let's be clear here. For 462 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: Green Tea to do stuff like this to you, especially hallucinations, 463 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: you have to drink a lot of it, right, and 464 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: you have to be the kind of person who is 465 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: is more likely to experience hallucination. I mean, hallucinations can 466 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: occur for a variety of reasons, uh not, all of 467 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: which involve illicit substances. And some people are just more 468 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: prone to experiencing hallucinations than others. I have found that 469 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: I'm I, I seem to be particularly adverse to experiencing 470 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: visual hallucinations. And I've never experienced a visual hallucination in 471 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: my life. I don't think I have either other than well, 472 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: you know, I was blind that time. The story I 473 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: told him the exorcism episode last Actually, I guess it 474 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: would be a couple of days ago for you guys listening. Yeah. 475 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: Other than that, I think the sky turned the night 476 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: sky the black turned red for me once, but that 477 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: was that's the extent. No crazy goblin monkey spirits anything. Yeah, 478 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 1: I kind of want a monkey spirit. But uh So. 479 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: There was a Live Science article actually that came out 480 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: in two thousand nine that I referenced for this to 481 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: just really like nail down what's going on with caffeine specifically, 482 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: which seems to be the only way you can hallucinate 483 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: off of green tea. Uh if. The article there they 484 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: they did a number of tests on people drinking various 485 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: uh doses of caffeine and how much it would take 486 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: for them to hallucinate. It was people who drank the 487 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,479 Speaker 1: equivalent of three cups of browed coffee a day are 488 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: the ones who are more likely to hallucinate, And that 489 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: translates into, uh, I believe nine cups of green tea, 490 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: So I mean I could see it. I probably don't 491 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 1: break three in a day, so I regularly break three, yeah, 492 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, A lot of it comes down to 493 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: this susceptibility. Yeah, I can't vi is it tea or 494 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: coffee for you? Because you drink coffee, right, Generally it's coffee, yeah, 495 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 1: and and often pretty strong coffee. So maybe maybe that's 496 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: where the red sky came from. Do you have too 497 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: much coffee? Well, that's one interpretation. Um. This also makes 498 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: me think back to the Futurama episode where Fry drinks 499 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 1: all the cup of coffee I don't know one. Yeah, 500 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: he has something like he gets the unlimited cups of 501 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: coffee for the day or a certain amount, and he 502 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: spends he spends his his tax refund or on coffee, 503 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: and he drinks all these cups of coffee, and it's 504 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: a ticker at the bottom, and he reaches the point 505 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: where you drinks so much coffee that time stands still, 506 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: and he's able to save the day and Russian and 507 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: get everyone out of a burning build. You know, that 508 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: may explain a lot to me about one of our colleagues, 509 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: Holly Fry, who is a big fan of future rama 510 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: uh and drinks more coffee than I know anybody else 511 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: at this in this office. But she drinks a lot 512 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: of coffee. Yeah, maybe maybe she's just trying to make 513 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: time stands still. Hey, aren't we all it's true? Uh? 514 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: So back to the study the researchers found that people 515 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: with a CAFFEINEI in take that was as high as 516 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: nine cups of green tea or three cups of brood 517 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: coffee a day, whether it came from coffee, tea, chocolate, 518 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: or whatever energy drinks or pills, they had a three 519 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: times higher tendency to hear voices and see things that 520 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: were not there than those who consumed the equivalent of 521 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: this much coffee. Right, So this goes back to your point, 522 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: which is that there are some people who are just 523 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: more susceptible to hallucinations or visions or hearing things than others. Uh. 524 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: And so subsequently they found that those people within their 525 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: study were the ones who are really susceptible to getting 526 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: hit by this caffeine. The other explanation that's connected to 527 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: this seems to be tied to caffeine increasing stress, which 528 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: causes our bodies to release more cortisol. And and so 529 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: the explanation was that people who drink that much caffeine 530 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: are more prone to mental health associations because of this 531 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: amount of cortisol in their systems. They're stressed out to 532 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: begin with. Yeah, I mean when you start trying to 533 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,719 Speaker 1: tease apart the way we perceive the world, which you know, 534 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: you can sort of get into the argument that that 535 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: all perception is essentially hallucination, and what we call an 536 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: hallucination is just an abnormal version or reskewed version of that. 537 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: You know, there's so many factors that determine that. So 538 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: you could have coffee having a direct role or an 539 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: indirect role on that manifestation. Maybe we need to do 540 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: like that's maybe that's our next Facebook Live is just you, 541 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: me and Joe drinking caffeine until one of us hallucination. 542 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: The viewers bet on exactly, So I see, you've got 543 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: something interesting here connected to the Church of Latter day Saints, 544 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: which we seem to be uncovering a lot of really 545 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: fascinating facts to them. Yeah, this is if you ever 546 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: rich uh you know, not a deep history, but you 547 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: still have reached a rich history there. And this is 548 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: something that I found when I looked in Oliver sacks 549 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: excellent book Hallucinations, which is always one of my go 550 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: toos anytime we we cover a topic that gets into 551 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: into hallucination. Now Sacks just passed away this year, right, Uh, yeah, 552 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: he recently did recently pass pass away. In this book, 553 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: he does not really discuss tea much at all, So 554 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: I wasn't able to pull out any wonderful nuggets of 555 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: caffeine and related hallucination. But I did find out a 556 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: wonderful t anecdote. Uh. He points out that obviously, members 557 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: of the Church of Latter day Saints substain from tea 558 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: and coffee. However, on the long march from the Mormon 559 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: Trail to Utah, the pioneers who had eventually found Salt 560 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: Lake City, happened upon a roadside herb which they brewed 561 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: into what is called has been called Mormon tea. Now, 562 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: the herb was actually nothing none other than if fed, 563 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: which contains ephedrin, which is chemically akin to amphetamines, and 564 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: hallucinations are sometimes an adverse side effect to ephedra. So 565 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: that's uh, how possible hallucination scenario they're from drinking tea. 566 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: And again, to come back to what we're talking about earlier, 567 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: anything essentially, unless you want to get really specific with 568 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: your with your with your definition of tea, any hot 569 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: water herbal concoction is a T. So there's cocoa tea, 570 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: there's there's opium T. You can you can brew a 571 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: tea with various psychedelic substances such as uh, mushrooms with psilocybin. Yeah, exactly. 572 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: These are all ways to get a t that uh 573 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: more or less is guaranteed to give you a an 574 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: altered state of consciousness, if not possible hallucinations. Another Facebook 575 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,479 Speaker 1: live episode of us doing an ayahuasca ritual. We can 576 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: have the three cups. It would be like a ball 577 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: cup game, except the set of a ball under the 578 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: cup one of them is. I think we would quickly 579 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: figure out who got which one. But so you know, 580 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: let's review here for a second before I move on. 581 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: It seems like the verdict. Can green tea make you hallucinate? 582 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: Probably not. I mean, yes, there's enough caffeine in it 583 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: that if you drank a lot of it, it's possible. 584 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: But let's look back on the green tea story. The 585 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: idea there was that this guy was continually drinking green 586 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: tea over the course of his life. He was drinking 587 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: it every night before bed, and that that built up somehow, 588 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: I guess, in his blood stream, and that was what 589 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: was causing him to see the evil monkey. Uh, it 590 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: doesn't work like that, you know, it's a it's a 591 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: one one dose situation. I think in terms of that, 592 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: like you have to at the time be drinking at 593 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: least nine cups. Yeah, green tea is not They're not 594 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: deposits of green tea and a lifelong tea drinker's body 595 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: that are building up. Uh. You know, you kind of 596 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: get into this similar area where you have the idea 597 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: that that the drug use alcohol and drugs that they're 598 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: stored and you're fat and the only way to free 599 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: yourself from those is to to sign up for some 600 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: sort of like a sauna based program where you're gonna 601 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: sweat all that out of your your fat cells. It's like, 602 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: um reminding me of like sci fi scenarios to where 603 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: people take stuff and then it like their bodies like 604 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: an incubator for it, and then like they turn into 605 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: basically like a harvesting system for where people just shoved uh, 606 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: syringes in them and draw out, you know, green tea 607 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: out of their blood. All right, Well, on that note, 608 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna take another quick break and when we come back, 609 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: we will explore the the the actual health benefits of 610 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: green tea and what some of the science says about it. 611 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,280 Speaker 1: So if you're green tea drinker, especially, you're probably aware 612 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: of the commercial nature of it being healthy, at least 613 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: here in the United States. UM, it's heavily advertised as 614 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 1: being you know, great for you for a variety of reasons. 615 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: We're gonna go over this, Like I said, there's just 616 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: a ton of literature out there, but we're gonna go 617 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: over it kind of review what it does and what 618 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't, at least in terms of direct evidence. So, 619 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: first of all, it is full of antioxidants, and as 620 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 1: such it's linked to health benefits like a lower risk 621 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 1: of stroke and some types of cancer. Uh. It's also 622 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 1: become very popular because people drink it wishing to prevent 623 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: cancer and health heart disease. But there are studies that 624 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: argue back and forth about these properties, and the experts 625 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: say there really isn't direct evidence yet to confirm anything 626 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: like a UM. And in fact, there is an interesting 627 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: uh right up about the health effects of green tea 628 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: in the Salem Press Encyclopedia. And the guy who wrote 629 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: that basically said, look, I only trust it if it's 630 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: a double blind, placebo controlled study. Uh. And you have 631 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: to do that. And he said the one that he 632 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: looked at that did prove something, although he wanted more evidence, 633 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 1: was that green team makes short term improvements in your 634 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 1: cholesterol profile, but those benefits disappear after four weeks. Now, 635 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: what wasn't clear to me was like, is it like, 636 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: you drink green tea one day, it helps you, and 637 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: then if you stop drinking green tea four weeks later, 638 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: those benefits go away. Or is it like, if you're 639 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,280 Speaker 1: a continuous green tea drinker, you get a one time, 640 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: four week decrease in cholesterol and then it's just back. 641 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,720 Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't discern that from what he was saying. 642 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: But one way or the other, this was like the 643 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 1: one study. He was like, this one's for real, guys. 644 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: You know a lot of the health marketing around green 645 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: tea and just sort of like the the general idea 646 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 1: that green tea has healthy qualities that kind of floats 647 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: in the atmosphere around you. I have found myself being 648 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: influenced by that at times where I'll be in the 649 00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 1: office and I think I should I'll be at home 650 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,479 Speaker 1: I have green tea or should I have coffee? And 651 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: the little the voice of the I guess the monkey 652 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 1: will whisper in my ear and say, green days a 653 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: little healthier. Maybe not much, but maybe just a little. 654 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,399 Speaker 1: Who knows. But you like green tea, so why don't 655 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: you just go ahead and drink it and you'll feel 656 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: like a little bit healthier. Yeah, yeah, man, I'm not 657 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: gonna stop thinking about that monkey for a while now. 658 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: If you follow us on social media, I posted an 659 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: original illustration somebody did of the monkey splashing around inside 660 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 1: a cup of green tea, and I asked people to 661 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,879 Speaker 1: guess what we were doing the episode on and the 662 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: responses were hilarious. Uh, but yeah, monkey is going to 663 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 1: be our new mascot maybe. By the way, I also 664 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: asked the monkey. I said, if I drink the green 665 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: tea instead of the coffee, does that mean my teeth 666 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: won't become staying And the monkey said, no, there's still 667 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: dan it's in the car tea. Your teeth will still 668 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: get stained even though it's green and light. At least 669 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: he's uh, he's honest. Yeah, he's very truthful about it. Now, 670 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: we would have to ask the monkey about these cancer predictions, 671 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 1: because regarding cancer, it seems that green tea shows promise 672 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: for treating things like cervical display asia and reducing the 673 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: risk of prostate cancer. But again there's conflicting evidence about 674 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: whether it has any effect on stomach cancer for instance. Likewise, 675 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: researchers haven't found reliable evidence that it reduces breast cancer, 676 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: although there's some quote weak evidence that it decreases recurrence 677 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: of breast cancer, so maybe not preventing. But if you've 678 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 1: had breast cancer, you have to drink apparently at least 679 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 1: three or more cups a day in order to for 680 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: the recurrence to be staved off. Now, there's some other 681 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 1: disease treatments, and honestly, there were so many we might 682 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: miss some here, so please let it let us know 683 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: if there's something you know that we don't. But one 684 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: study looked, for instance, at how effective gargling green tea 685 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,839 Speaker 1: is at preventing influenza UH. It showed that those who 686 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: did this were less likely developed influenza and less likely 687 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,919 Speaker 1: to find friends to go have two with. UH. There's 688 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 1: also some preliminary evidence that it might help prevent colds 689 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,800 Speaker 1: and the flu okay, UH weak evidence that chewing green 690 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: tea candy can reduce gum inflammation if you have ginger 691 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,240 Speaker 1: vitis It's also been proposed as a means of preventing 692 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,839 Speaker 1: liver disease, but the evidence isn't all that convincing. They're 693 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: now remember, like I said, it's got caffeine in it, 694 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,320 Speaker 1: so of course it does affect our entire central nervous system. 695 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: This produces alertness. There's also a couple other substances that 696 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: are important to note here that are in green tea. 697 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 1: Theo bromine, which is a smooth muscle relaxant, and there's 698 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: also theophyline, which is a smooth muscle relaxant that specifically 699 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 1: can cause restricted air passages to open. So it's been 700 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: used to treat asthma and it makes breathing easier. So 701 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 1: again I have asthma, and I was like, hey, maybe 702 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,759 Speaker 1: again another check in the column for Okay, I'll drink 703 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: more green now. Um so yeah. Another study on green 704 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: tea is that the polyphanols within it may help prevent 705 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: skin cancer if they're applied directly to the skin. So 706 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,360 Speaker 1: I think, like you make like a polstice or something 707 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: that you put on your skin. This may help protect 708 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 1: the skin from sun damage, but not by physically blocking 709 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: ultraviolet light by protect but instead it protects your cells 710 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 1: from it. So it's it's not keeping the light from 711 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,799 Speaker 1: hitting your skin, it's doing something to your cells that 712 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 1: prevent them from being damaged by the light. Well, there 713 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,400 Speaker 1: seemed to be no shortage of of green tea and 714 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 1: few skin products. Oh yeah, I mean that's the thing is, 715 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 1: there's green tea and a lot of stuff right now. 716 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: I think I have shampoo with green tea in it. Yeah, 717 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm pretty sure I've seen that as well. 718 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: Now I've there have also been studies that have found 719 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: associations between consuming green tea and reduced risk for several 720 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 1: different cancers. We've mentioned skin already, breast, long colon esophagal bladder. Uh, 721 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 1: there have been a lot of studies, and you know, 722 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 1: there seems to be in asociation there. Again, nobody's arguing 723 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: there is a magical property and green tea that is 724 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 1: just wiping out cancer cells left and right. But there 725 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 1: is this one amino acid in it called l theonine 726 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 1: that seems to be pretty powerful. Uh. And I I 727 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: went through an academic paper specifically on this it's properties 728 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,919 Speaker 1: and green tea and what it's potentially doing in the brain. 729 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: So we'll cover this as well, this one is a 730 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 1: big nine comes up a lot with supplements. You can 731 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: go and get plenty of just either straight up or 732 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 1: alfonine and infuse supplements. Well, what's interesting about it is, 733 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: you know those other studies focused mainly on physical disease, 734 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:47,359 Speaker 1: right cancer and UH disease treatments like influenza, but uh, 735 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:53,359 Speaker 1: this amino acid relieves anxiety and calms us. But then 736 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,360 Speaker 1: it also improves our alertness, So on top of the caffeine, 737 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: you're getting some alertness from this as well. It closely 738 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:04,799 Speaker 1: res mbles the chemical glutamate, which signals excitation in our 739 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: brains as a neurotransmitter, so l phonine does the opposite 740 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 1: as of glutamate. It binds in the same receptors in 741 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 1: our brain as glutamate and therefore it blocks them from 742 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: receiving its effects. This inhibition is assisted by it also 743 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: stimulating the production of the neurotransmitter GABBA G A B A, 744 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 1: which also has common effects. So between those two or 745 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 1: three you know side effects. Apparently green tea calms you down. Yeah, 746 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: I mean those I feel like you have three or 747 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 1: four different supplement bottles. They're all present in readily available 748 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 1: and cheaper green tea. Uh. You know. The benefit here 749 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 1: is that unlike taking in anti anxiety drugs, green tea 750 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 1: and the l phonine within it produces the alertness instead 751 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,440 Speaker 1: of sleepiness, so it doesn't impair your motor behavior. For instance. 752 00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 1: So I don't know, if you're driving and you're stressed out, 753 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,279 Speaker 1: but you don't want to fall asleep, drink some green tea. Additionally, 754 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,320 Speaker 1: it seems to prevent the abrupt rise in blood pressure 755 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 1: that's associated with stress. And this is good because it 756 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,880 Speaker 1: prevents arterial damage from the surging blood pressure in your body. 757 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 1: And that's not something I like to think about that. 758 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. For some reason that that squixx me 759 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 1: out the idea of just like my blood pressure like 760 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 1: pushing so hard that it's like ripping my vessels apart. 761 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 1: That's what that would that would That's that's a horrifying image. 762 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 1: It seems unpleasant. There is also some evidence that it 763 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,799 Speaker 1: influences how genes are expressed, specifically in the amygdala and 764 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,719 Speaker 1: the hippocampus, and these, remember are the parts of the brain. 765 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 1: They're associated with fear aggression in memory, So it could 766 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: be used to treat stress, but also PTSD. There's some 767 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 1: people looking into green tea and how it might help 768 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,719 Speaker 1: with that. This again we keep coming back to. This 769 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,360 Speaker 1: reminds me of m D m A and the theory 770 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: surrounding that treating PTSD. So it's currently the subject of 771 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,480 Speaker 1: human studies also with patients who have schizophrenia, so there's 772 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 1: some idea that it might be able to help them 773 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,880 Speaker 1: as well. And get this, we know stress effects cognition, 774 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,799 Speaker 1: but not only does l phonine reverse that kind of 775 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,719 Speaker 1: impairment due to its relationship with glutamate, but it may 776 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: also be able to prevent damage to brain cells that 777 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 1: is induced from exposure to toxic levels of aluminum. So 778 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: like if you're breathing in an aluminum and it's like 779 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 1: potentially causing brain damage if you theoretically if you drink 780 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,239 Speaker 1: green tea, it can prevent that damage from occurring. Uh. 781 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,920 Speaker 1: It can also reduce the impact of having a stroke. 782 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,720 Speaker 1: A stroke is where there's blockage of blood to our brain. 783 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 1: This results in the death of our brain cells. But 784 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 1: l phonine signals our endo field cells to constrict or 785 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,960 Speaker 1: relax appropriately as our blood is flowing. So go back 786 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:59,080 Speaker 1: to my my horrific imagery earlier. Your blood vessels are 787 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,360 Speaker 1: basically accommodating for the rush of blood no matter what 788 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:07,799 Speaker 1: it's I guess velocity. The velocity of blood is uh. 789 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 1: And specifically in animal studies, if you administer l PHI 790 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 1: and I up to twelve hours after an animal has 791 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 1: a stroke, it can protect their brain cells and reduce 792 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 1: the size of their damaged brain areas. So it seems 793 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 1: like it's pretty potent stuff. There's definitely something going on 794 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,439 Speaker 1: here with green tea. Ah, it's okay, So we've we've 795 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,200 Speaker 1: determined it's probably not gonna make you hallucinate unless you 796 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:38,400 Speaker 1: binge drink it. And even then maybe UH and I 797 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 1: do not attempt to hallucinate just by bench drinking green tea. 798 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,919 Speaker 1: We're not advocating if you're gonna get sick of green 799 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:49,399 Speaker 1: tea before you see anything funny. Um. But then, like, 800 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 1: even though science hasn't really nailed down the research on this, 801 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,400 Speaker 1: there seems to be a lot of good qualities to it. Yeah, 802 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,880 Speaker 1: And like I said, you can pretty much look for 803 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,440 Speaker 1: a green tea study about anything and you may very 804 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,440 Speaker 1: well find it. For instance, I was looking around, there's 805 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,560 Speaker 1: there's a study out there about the effect of green 806 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,320 Speaker 1: tea on supplement absorption. Uh, there's a there's a particular 807 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 1: study two thousand fifteen looks at green tea is a 808 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,719 Speaker 1: way to improve in our eyes. They received. Researchers in 809 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,120 Speaker 1: this case successful use compounds from green tea to help uh, 810 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,160 Speaker 1: image cancer tumors in mice. Also, I've seen it can 811 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,440 Speaker 1: help fight glucoma. Really that the studies are all over 812 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,040 Speaker 1: the place. We could do an entire podcast just on 813 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,040 Speaker 1: you know, episode after episode of Green Teeth, every Green 814 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,799 Speaker 1: Tea research that has come out. Yeah, but we're not 815 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,800 Speaker 1: actually going to do that. Yeah, that's a that's another 816 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,319 Speaker 1: show for another network. Um, all right, let's close out. Then. 817 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,640 Speaker 1: Does it have health benefits? Seems so yeah. Will it 818 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 1: cause hallucination of evil monkey spirits? Doubtful? Probably not. But 819 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,520 Speaker 1: let's remember that this is being pushed pretty hard commercially 820 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,560 Speaker 1: right now, so much so that manufacturers are currently offering 821 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,200 Speaker 1: the extracts and pillform right. We see these in like 822 00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,319 Speaker 1: a supplement stores and stuff like that. You could probably 823 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:09,959 Speaker 1: even get them at the grocery store at this point. 824 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,319 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you can buy this stuff in Amazon, but 825 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,400 Speaker 1: you should know and and this is where it circles 826 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 1: back again to those guys in the Victorian area throwing 827 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,800 Speaker 1: iron filings and Prussian blue into their and cheap dounge 828 00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,919 Speaker 1: into their green tea. In a two thousand and six 829 00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:30,680 Speaker 1: analysis that tested green tea extract products, they found that 830 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:35,200 Speaker 1: some of them were contaminated with lead. Uh and this 831 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,920 Speaker 1: or something else about these specific extracts is potentially leading 832 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:46,200 Speaker 1: to liver inflammation. So again, like everything in moderation, Yeah, 833 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,120 Speaker 1: and it comes back to a theme that's it's come 834 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 1: up a lot recently. It came up on the second 835 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,319 Speaker 1: Dangerous Food episode that Joe and I did, is that 836 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,759 Speaker 1: green tea is a food product. You know where your 837 00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,640 Speaker 1: food products came from. The more the more access, the 838 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:05,080 Speaker 1: more unrecognizable that food product is, the more I'm not 839 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,920 Speaker 1: saying it's definitely bad, but the more questions there are 840 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,400 Speaker 1: to potentially answer there. This is true. Every time I 841 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:16,040 Speaker 1: eat a vegetarian meat loaf, I wonder what's actually in 842 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:20,600 Speaker 1: this the meat of a vegetarian of course, if that's 843 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 1: another hard story, and you know this is something I'm 844 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 1: meant to bring up earlier. I feel like the green 845 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,799 Speaker 1: tea short story that we started with the way that 846 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,520 Speaker 1: it was inspired by this article in the Lancet. It 847 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,719 Speaker 1: makes me think that had this been the nineteen seventies, 848 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,440 Speaker 1: sixties or fifties, the Green Tea would have definitely been 849 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,120 Speaker 1: a B movie or an exploitation, because that's where you 850 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:47,320 Speaker 1: you often see these ideas and these new new studies 851 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,600 Speaker 1: sometimes at least very weakly resonate for the first time, uh, 852 00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,239 Speaker 1: the first place that the sort of the media you know, 853 00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:00,759 Speaker 1: collective consciousness actually thinks about it for us. Second, I 854 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,440 Speaker 1: for one, would really like to see like an exploitative 855 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:11,799 Speaker 1: green tea horror movie. But despite that, let's let's learn 856 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,400 Speaker 1: from my mistake, uh, and and know that you can 857 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,640 Speaker 1: drink this stuff and it's gonna be okay, Like you're 858 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:23,520 Speaker 1: not gonna start seeing evil monkeys anytime soon. Although uh please, 859 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,200 Speaker 1: if anybody out there wants to send us our new 860 00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,680 Speaker 1: avatar of the Green Tea evil monkey, we we won't 861 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,640 Speaker 1: discourage that. I would also love left to know does 862 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,239 Speaker 1: anyone out there drink their green tea recordly out of 863 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,360 Speaker 1: a hideous monkey mug? That would that would be perfect, 864 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,400 Speaker 1: very nice. I kind of want one myself, all right, 865 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,600 Speaker 1: So tell us about your monkey mugs or send us 866 00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,920 Speaker 1: your monkey images. Uh you canna get in touch with 867 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,760 Speaker 1: us on all of our social platforms. We're on Facebook, 868 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,480 Speaker 1: we're on Twitter, we're on tumbler, and we are on Instagram. Uh, 869 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,520 Speaker 1: you can find all of those on stuff to Blow 870 00:49:55,560 --> 00:50:00,000 Speaker 1: your Mind dot com. That is the mothership. That's where 871 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,279 Speaker 1: we've got every episode of the podcast, every video that 872 00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,920 Speaker 1: we've ever done, and all of the various blog posts 873 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,200 Speaker 1: that we have done as well that are connected to 874 00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,319 Speaker 1: the podcasts and other interests of ours. That's right, it's 875 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,160 Speaker 1: a it's a new year. This is the first episode 876 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,440 Speaker 1: of the New Year that we are recording. Do you 877 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,560 Speaker 1: have any New Year's resolutions? Do you engage in that 878 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,359 Speaker 1: sort of thing? I don't, but I gotta say, after 879 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,200 Speaker 1: doing all the research on this, I will be drinking 880 00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,000 Speaker 1: more green tea. I feel like I probably will as well, 881 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,000 Speaker 1: So I'll add that to my my other actual resolution, 882 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:38,880 Speaker 1: which is too blind the mechanical eye of every automatic 883 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,320 Speaker 1: toilet I encounter the entire year. Yeah, how are you 884 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,719 Speaker 1: going to do that? You have like a like a 885 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,520 Speaker 1: sewing needle. No, I mean it would be tempting to 886 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:51,080 Speaker 1: go complete, you know, Odysseus on it and stab it 887 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,919 Speaker 1: and stab the cyclopean eye out. I think I'm gonna 888 00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,760 Speaker 1: just gonna put stickers and duct tape over them, because 889 00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:01,319 Speaker 1: I think as responsible humans, we have the power. We 890 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,040 Speaker 1: have the right to flush the toilet when and where 891 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,680 Speaker 1: we want, when when we want to flush it, to 892 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,120 Speaker 1: to judge the contents of the toilet, and and actually 893 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,319 Speaker 1: push a button, not have the toilet go off at 894 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,520 Speaker 1: odd times while we are potentially setting upon it. You're 895 00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,200 Speaker 1: referring specifically to our bathrooms here at work because they 896 00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,480 Speaker 1: are sensitive. They are sensitive to the point where it's 897 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,680 Speaker 1: getting to where I cannot I cannot sit on a 898 00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,600 Speaker 1: toilet anywhere, and the smallest noise in the background will 899 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,160 Speaker 1: make me think, oh goodness, is toilets about the plush? 900 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,359 Speaker 1: I better hop up out of the sea because when 901 00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:38,160 Speaker 1: it flushes here too, the toilet splashed the ceiling. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 902 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:43,120 Speaker 1: You're You're in for a hurricane of toilet water. It's 903 00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,160 Speaker 1: mechanical tyranny, and I'm not gonna take it anymore. Well, 904 00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,640 Speaker 1: let us know. There's one other way to let us 905 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,040 Speaker 1: know if you want to support Robert in his fight 906 00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,000 Speaker 1: against the toilets, and that's by writing us at Blow 907 00:51:54,040 --> 00:52:05,480 Speaker 1: the Mind at how stuff works dot com for more 908 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,799 Speaker 1: on this and thousands of other topics, is that how 909 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:16,960 Speaker 1: stuff works. Dot com b