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Speaker 1: Can't I am six forty you're listening to the John

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Speaker 1: Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio app run every day from

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Speaker 1: iHeart app and hear what you missed. Most important victory

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Speaker 1: at the polls was Nathan Hockman beating George Gascon for

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles County DA. You live in La County. This

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Speaker 1: was the race that will have an impact on your

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Speaker 1: life with all the absurd crime that we've had to

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Speaker 1: ago over Jackie Lacy. And secondly, Prop thirty six repealed

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Speaker 1: much of Prop forty seven, winning seventy to thirty roughly again,

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Speaker 2: Seven, which was written by George Gascon.

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Speaker 1: It's just stunning the amount of damage Gascon has done

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Speaker 1: to the state, to San Francisco, and to Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: for the last decade. But his reign is over. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk to the winner, Nathan Hawkman. Welcome, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm great, John, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: When you were officially declared the winner, what was what

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Speaker 1: were you feeling inside?

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Speaker 3: Well? It was about one oh seven am, and it

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Speaker 3: was a great feeling. It was sort of the culmination

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Speaker 3: I've probably spoken to literally thousands of people from the

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Speaker 3: So we can really make these changes. These are solvable

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Speaker 3: They showed up at my campaign event last night, the

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Speaker 1: I talked to one news reporter who said everywhere he

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Now they've been on the front lines without having

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Speaker 3: one of the you know, the poor legacies of George

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Speaker 2: He didn't care.

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Speaker 1: I mean, certainly he was aware of all the criticisms

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Speaker 3: You're absolutely right. I mean so often his prosecutors stood

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Speaker 3: it's a it's a leadership philosophy that you know ultimately

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Speaker 1: Are you going to put the staffing back in order

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Speaker 3: We're going to take a full look at the entire

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you something come out of left field,

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Speaker 1: But I saw a report from CBS News this week.

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Speaker 2: Do you know anything about this?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is something I saw the article. It's something

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Speaker 2: Now, you ran against rab Bonta for attorney General a

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Speaker 1: Now you're going to be working with him. What is

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Speaker 3: You know what, anyone who is committed to the mission

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Speaker 3: So if if Bonta was such in the Gascon camp,

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Speaker 2: All right, Nathan Hawkman, we will talk again.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to have you on regularly to talk about

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Speaker 1: Congratulations again, well John, thank you very much, and thank

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Speaker 3: It is deeply appreciated. Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I want to keep that up, all right, Nathan Hawkman.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 1: The new district Attorney takes over first week in December. Okay,

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Speaker 1: We've got more coming up on the John Cobelt Show.

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Speaker 1: Forty on every day from one until four and then

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Speaker 2: Where'd you miss? Huh?

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Speaker 5: How are you, Michelle, I'm doing really well this week.

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Speaker 1: You know what struck me in the piece that you wrote.

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Speaker 1: You said, the day after gas going lost, they weren't

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Speaker 5: Talk about that, I think it speaks volumes about the

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Speaker 1: Well, Michelle, Michelle Hannessy, thank you for coming on. Better

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Speaker 1: It's the same as the radio show. I want to

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Speaker 6: I am doing fantastic, John, thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 1: I obviously been following you for the last couple of years,

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Speaker 6: Oh, well, you're totally right if you're referring to San

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Speaker 6: the Unit Nations, which to your point, was a proponent

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Speaker 6: of allowing men into women's sports. I mean just two

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Speaker 6: years ago they said, look, there's no harm to be

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Speaker 6: had here if you can suppress your testosterone, which as

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Speaker 6: we've seen, as they reported now they said, hey, you know,

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Speaker 6: maybe we were we issued that statement prematurely because here

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Speaker 6: is I mean overwhelming evidence that there are clear differences

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Speaker 6: between men and women that even testosterone suppression is not

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Speaker 6: enough to overcome.

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Speaker 1: No, because you still have a male body, you still

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Speaker 1: have the infrastructure, a muscle structure of being a man

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Speaker 1: that doesn't go away just because you're not taking tests

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Speaker 1: posterone supplements.

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Speaker 6: That's right. And even if men could get their testosterone

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Speaker 6: levels to zero, which they cannot. Even if they could,

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Speaker 6: there are still differences like heart size, lung size, of course,

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Speaker 6: limb links, the size of your feet. Even something is silly,

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Speaker 6: It sounds silly at least as throat size. Men have

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Speaker 6: on average a forty percent larger throat than women, which

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Speaker 6: when you're playing a sport like swimming and you're grasping

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Speaker 6: for air, that's a huge factor in success. So even

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Speaker 6: if men could get their testosterone levels down to that,

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Speaker 6: which would be computable with female levels of testosterone, it

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Speaker 6: even still would not be fair.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny, and like I've never heard that even discussed. Like,

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Speaker 1: if you're going to have a conversation about this, two

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Speaker 1: people ought to be able to sit down, you know,

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Speaker 1: in a television studio and talk about what you just said.

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Speaker 2: I had no idea.

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Speaker 1: A man's throat is forty percent larger, and that would

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Speaker 1: obviously make a big difference in how much oxygen you

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Speaker 1: could you could take into your body. But it's just

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Speaker 1: just shouting and name calling much of the times, right, Okay,

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Speaker 1: We've got more coming up on the John Cobelt Show.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM

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Speaker 4: six forty.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget to check out the John Cobelt Show podcast,

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Speaker 1: posted every day just after the show is over, and

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Speaker 1: continue now with former NCUBLEA Division one swimmer Riley Games.

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Speaker 2: So when you had that situation.

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Speaker 1: With Leah Thomas, Leah Thomas still had her genitalia intact

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Speaker 1: as a man, that's.

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Speaker 6: Right, that's right fully was male fully undressing in our

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Speaker 6: locker room, I mean down to nothing, fully intact, exposing

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Speaker 6: himself and I mean inches away from where we were

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Speaker 6: simultaneously fully undressed, Which a lot of people can understand

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Speaker 6: the unfairness of the competition, but you could never be

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Speaker 6: able to wrap your head around unless it's a scenario,

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Speaker 6: a situation that you, yourself or maybe your daughter or a

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Speaker 6: loved one has been in. You would never be able

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Speaker 6: to wrap your head around the utter violation and the

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Speaker 6: humiliation and the awkwardness and the uncomfortableness and how embarrassing

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Speaker 6: it is, and the inherent instinctual really need to cover

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Speaker 6: yourselves when you have a man with a man's eyes

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Speaker 6: and a man's gaze and a man's voice standing in

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Speaker 6: the locker room inches away watching you undress while he's

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Speaker 6: simultaneously naked. I mean it's like, even still to this day,

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Speaker 6: having been you know, two years removed, now even still

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Speaker 6: to this day, I'm mind blown at the fact that

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Speaker 6: not only again did this happen, but we as women

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Speaker 6: were reprimanded if we oppose this or even dared to

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Speaker 6: question it out loud.

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Speaker 1: Why did everybody go into the tank over this issue

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Speaker 1: and a lot of other woke issues. But you know,

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Speaker 1: everybody in the media, many in politics, many in the

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Speaker 1: university level, many in journalism. I mean everybody joined that

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Speaker 1: side and suppressed and shouted down any kind of reasonable opposition.

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Speaker 1: You just don't want to get undressed in front of

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Speaker 1: of somebody who's who's a man.

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Speaker 2: It's self evident.

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Speaker 1: But everybody in power, everybody with a megaphone, was a

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Speaker 1: raid against you.

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Speaker 6: That's right, I think for a couple of reasons. I

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Speaker 6: think number one is fear. I think people were so fearful.

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Speaker 6: They're fearful of being called names, They're fearful of being

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Speaker 6: labeled as being on the wrong side of history. They're

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Speaker 6: fearful of being seen as what they call as an oppressor,

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Speaker 6: and so it allowed them to go against their gut

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Speaker 6: instinct and their moral compass and their conscience and do

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Speaker 6: what they knew to be wrong. And I think another

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Speaker 6: part of why we've seen this movement take hold in

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Speaker 6: the way that it has is money dollar fines. Whether

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Speaker 6: that's the medicalization side of things, where doctors are recognizing

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Speaker 6: this as a way to have lifelong patients. You can

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Speaker 6: make seventy to one hundred thousand dollars per patient, and

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Speaker 6: like I said, their lifelong patients. Whether it's academia who's

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Speaker 6: terrified of losing federal funding, they don't want to be

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Speaker 6: sued Corporate America, even which the free market might, I add,

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Speaker 6: always prevails. We saw where bud Light lost essentially twenty

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Speaker 6: seven billion dollars overnight. In the next commercial was a

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Speaker 6: big burly man on a motorcycle with the Camo can.

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Speaker 6: So I think money drives a lot of it, and

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Speaker 6: I think fear drove a lot of it.

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Speaker 1: One more thing, because I know you got to go

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Speaker 1: in a couple of minutes. But this just came out

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Speaker 1: this week. Many people probably don't know. Your husband, British

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Speaker 1: swimmer Lewis Bark apparently can't get a green card because

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Speaker 1: he won't get a COVID vaccine. Is that really true?

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Speaker 6: That's it, that's it. It's beyond mind blowing. Which it's

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Speaker 6: kind of funny because my husband has been, of course

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Speaker 6: the biggest supporter of me over the past two years

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Speaker 6: or so, but now Elon Musk even posted a video

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Speaker 6: about his situation, and so he's getting some attention, and

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Speaker 6: so it's kind of funny to see.

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Speaker 1: We have ten million illegal immigration, illegal emmorates coming over

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Speaker 1: the southern border, ten million of them.

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Speaker 2: Your husband, who's a well known swimmer.

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Speaker 1: He's trying to get in legally, and they're using his

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Speaker 1: lack of a vaccine against him.

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Speaker 2: The ten million coming over the border aren't vaccinated.

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Speaker 1: Why does he have to get a vaccine, especially at

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Speaker 1: this late date it's almost twenty twenty.

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Speaker 6: Five, exactly exactly. My husband is a hard working, i

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Speaker 6: mean taxpayer. He loves America, but they've made it virtually

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Speaker 6: impossible for people like him to achieve citizenship. He's still

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Speaker 6: here legally, and let me be very clear, there's a

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Speaker 6: lot of people who are saying, oh, well, if he

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Speaker 6: doesn't have his green card, he needs to be deported.

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Speaker 6: He's still here legally, it's just not with the green card.

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Speaker 6: It's with visas and other things. But because he won't

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Speaker 6: get the under researched, proven ineffective vaccine, I mean, just

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Speaker 6: really think about that.

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Speaker 3: Though.

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Speaker 6: You're right, because it's so hard for legal immigrants. But

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Speaker 6: those who are illegal, who can just walk across the

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Speaker 6: southern border, they're given housing, they're given driver's license, they're

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Speaker 6: given money, they're given citizenship oftentimes in two weeks or less. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: but not for people like my husband.

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Speaker 2: The world is just insane the last few years. And

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Speaker 2: Ryan A.

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Speaker 1: Gaines, I'm so glad you're speaking out. I see you

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Speaker 1: all the time on television and you're so smart and

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Speaker 1: so articulate, and I hope you keep doing it because

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Speaker 1: the world really needs to hear your voice.

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Speaker 6: Well, I appreciate you, John, that means a lot. Thanks

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Speaker 6: for coming on, of course, of course, thank you.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: Riley Gaines the college swimmer who's become quite controversial by

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Speaker 1: saying biological men should not compete with women in sports.

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Speaker 1: Now here's an update from the KFI twenty four Hour Newsroom. Hey,

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