1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: What's a happy Hour. I'm Becca Kufriend and I am 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: Michelle Young. We are back with you all again this 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: week to talk about everything that went down in the 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: past two nights of Paradise. Yes, this week has been 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: crazy on Paradise. I feel like it's been crazy on 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: social media. It's just been crazy in general. There's so 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: much has happened, but the original girls returning to the beach, 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: and then after that, we are going to also be 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: talking to Logan, our guest today. Yeah. I'm excited to 10 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: have him on, mainly because he was part of a 11 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: very interesting love triangle that I don't think anyone saw coming. 12 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: I want to get his take on the Hayden situation 13 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: when he took his girl Kate on this date. But 14 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: before we get into all of that, all the craziness 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: that Paradise is, what's up, what's going on? We're still 16 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: in Minnesota, I am, But you know what, Becca, we 17 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: always start with me, but we're gonna take this minute 18 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: because I feel like you have something to show off. 19 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: You have a little bling bling that you might show off. Yeah, 20 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: our girl, she got engaged. Surprised. Michelle knew about this, fright, 21 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: I know, I know I've known, but like now I 22 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: can finally like be excited in public. Yeah, and like 23 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: I don't have to hide the secret anywhere. Yeah, it 24 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: feels good, good good, I'm feeling good. Um. I mean, 25 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: like for us, it happened about a month ago, so 26 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: it's like been the norm for us. But I don't know. 27 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: We just like to hold onto things and keep it 28 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: a little secret. And you know, we wanted to take 29 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: the time to be able to tell all of our 30 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: friends and family first before the world. So we were 31 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: just soaking in this little special moment for the past 32 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. But it's it's fun now because you know, 33 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: cats out of the bag surprise. You know, I will 34 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: say this, you have a good group of like just 35 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: friends and family and like secret keepers because yes, yeah, 36 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: because when you pop the question for Thomas, like nobody 37 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: had an idea and yeah, ida whatsoever? And I think 38 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: like the only inkling of like people who had any 39 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: idea of this him popping the question for you was 40 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: like potential bystanders that maybe like we're like speculating different things. 41 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, so yeah, I know you guys 42 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: are secret keepers. But that's exciting. So does this mean, 43 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 1: like wedding planning is a fi officially starting. Um, kind of. 44 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: We're still waiting on the house to be done, so 45 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: it's like we've talked about what we kind of would 46 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: like it to look like. Um, but this house has 47 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: been like it has been getting to me so much 48 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: in the past week that once it's done, will really 49 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: be able to sit down and like start to put 50 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: together a full guest list and all that. Yeah, I mean, 51 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: like you know me, I've said this before, I'm not 52 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 1: a planner, so like the fact of having to plan 53 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: a wedding, I really do not look forward to it. 54 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: We have so many friends, especially like all of my 55 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: friends back in Minnesota are I swear are getting married 56 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: this year. They're planning destination weddings, They're planning destination boucherette parties. 57 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 1: There's so much with them already that I'm like, well, shit, 58 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: when can we get married, Like what weekend's gonna work. 59 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: So we're trying to coordinate against all of that. But yeah, 60 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: I think probably December January will like really sit down 61 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: and start putting it all together. Okay, that's exciting though. Also, 62 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: I feel like, even though you're not a planner, you 63 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: don't like to plan your fiance does he is like 64 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: he's like thinking of planning. I don't know if I've 65 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: ever seen a man who can plan the way Thomas does. 66 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's so good and he's like not even 67 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: a planner, but he just like goes above and beyond 68 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: for things to just like judge anything up. So I 69 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: am really lucky that I'll have him throughout this. I 70 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: feel like most not just stereotype, but like most women 71 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: would take the wedding planning process on themselves. But he, 72 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: I know, will be like in the trenches with me 73 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: side by side, like probably making more decisions than I will, 74 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: which is very helpful. So yeah, I'm I looked out 75 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: that I got him as my partner. Is there anything 76 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: that like you're like, excuse me, is there anything that 77 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: when you're thinking about wedding planning, you know that there's 78 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: people who have their wedding planned out in like years 79 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: in advanced right like Pinterest plugged it all? Okay? Is 80 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: there anything that you are like this is a non negotiable, 81 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: like yes, I want this at my wedding. I want 82 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: this to happen, or if you're like something that's like 83 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: people traditionally do at their weddings, and you're like, I refuse, 84 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: Like what I had a friend who she refused to 85 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: have a wedding cake. She's like, I refuse to have 86 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: a wedding cake. Like I want a dessert station, but 87 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: there will be no cake. There will be no cupcakes, 88 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: there will be no cheat like cheesecakes. I don't know 89 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: what she has something against cake, but is there anything 90 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: that is like a non negotiable or like absolutely not. 91 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: I'm the opposite of her. I want like fourteen cakes. 92 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: I love cakes. We I mean, I definitely want a 93 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: champagne tower, like that is like the one, not even 94 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: the one, but like I know we want that just 95 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,799 Speaker 1: because I have my sparkling Wineline and I just love champagne, 96 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: so that's a must. And we're just like not super traditional. 97 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: So I'm like, I don't want, you know, and We've 98 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: been to so many weddings. I don't want the seated, 99 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: plated long dinner that goes on and you have to 100 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: listen all the speeches. I just want it to be 101 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 1: a party for everybody. And so we I think want 102 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: like four or five food trucks to come in people 103 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: can eat as they want, they can get whatever, winever, 104 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: and just more of like a fun atmosphere, especially if 105 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: so many of my friends and family are coming into town. 106 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: I don't want it to be taken up by this 107 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: like proper dinner where everyone has to sit at like 108 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: their special spot. I just wanted to be like mingling 109 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: galore all night, and so that's definitely what we want. 110 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: Other than that, like good food, good music, good drinks, 111 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: like beyond that, I'm not too picky. So yeah, so 112 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: just like a big party, party vibe. I love that. 113 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: I love that good food, give music, good champagne, good drinks, 114 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: good dessert, good company, good all around, all around, just 115 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: one big party. Yeah, I love it. So I'm excited. 116 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: I love it. That's so exciting. Well, we'll have to 117 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: have to keep us updated as much as possible as 118 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: you I start to get through this, but yes, first 119 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: that house. Um, I mean yeah, I feel like you 120 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: and I could chat about all of our fun personal 121 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: stuff all day long. But let's get into paradise before 122 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: we bring Logan on. I mean, I feel like every 123 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: week random stuff keeps happening like that. I don't expect 124 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: What were some of your favorite parts or cringe worthy 125 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: parts of this week's episodes. Honestly, I think what blows 126 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: my mind right now is like nobody knows what they want. 127 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: I feel like it's just like every single episode or everything, 128 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: like somebody changes, like you feel like a relationship that's 129 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: getting closer, and then they're talking about like, yeah, it's you, 130 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: it's you, like no, like let's work this out. And 131 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: then you know, we had the split week happen, which 132 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: was like a lot okay, and then like you come 133 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: back and then it's just like I'm gonna change my 134 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: mind and then go over here and then oh like 135 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: then they come back and realize it and then like 136 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: a grand something and then go over here. So it's 137 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: just like I feel like nobody's like, besides Brandon and Serene, 138 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: nobody's like actually spending enough adequate time with each other 139 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: to actually get to know anybody, like to get to 140 00:07:54,360 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: know and actually try. But then also us is Hayden 141 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: Hayden Okay, yes, Hayden um him talking about his Golden 142 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: Retriever dog just like for like how like don't part 143 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: like half of the episode I am. I understand though 144 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: I get it. I know I probably rubbed a lot 145 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: of people wrong, but coming from somebody who is obsessed 146 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: with her two dogs, I totally understand. Yeah, but like 147 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: when he came down the stairs and who asked him? 148 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: Someone asked him like what are your goals or like 149 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 1: what are your goals? Qualities are you looking for? And 150 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: you're like, I have a golden retriever yea what I'm like, 151 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: it reminds me when you know you're back in the 152 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: elementary school classroom where like a dog, yeah right, Like yeah, definitely, 153 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: it's just like really completely Yeah, there's a place and 154 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: it's just like, well, it's just interesting because it's like 155 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: also nerve wracking coming into this, like you know you're 156 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: coming in a little bit late. You don't know who's 157 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: going to be there. You know people have already made relationships, 158 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: but it's like it's either going to do one of 159 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: two things, like it's gonna make you like crack or 160 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: it's gonna kick you into like you have a lot 161 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: of time to catch up. And like from somebody who 162 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: did enter the scene incredibly late, haven't been on Paradise, 163 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: but with Matt season, it's just like you can talk 164 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: about like, yes, your dog is important, and you know 165 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: everything like that, but like at one point, like you 166 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: have to talk about exactly what you want exactly you know, 167 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: what partner you're looking for, and all these other things, 168 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: even though it seems like whatever partner he finds, Ash 169 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: will just definitely still be second priority to the dog, 170 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: which he made very clear. We'll see. I was actually 171 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: surprised that Kate said yes to go on that date. 172 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: I did not see that coming. We'll get into all 173 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: of that once we actually bring Logan on Michelle. One 174 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: thing that really stuck out to me for this episode 175 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: was the whole situation between Rodney, Eliza, and Justin. And 176 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: it seems like a consistent theme with Eliza and Kate 177 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: and maybe some other women they like really want their 178 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: men to step up this week to fight for their relationship. 179 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: But let me start first with a question to you. 180 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: If you were Analyza's position and you were dating Rodney, 181 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: which you know, I know, I know that that might 182 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: be a little bit weird, but just hear me out here, Okay, 183 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: put yourself in her position, and you what looks like 184 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: for me as a viewer is like one of the 185 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: strongest strongest relationships so far on the Beach. You guys 186 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: are vibing You've already had a date, it's going well. 187 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: Everyone thinks that you're pretty much a done deal. How 188 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: would you have wanted Rodney's response to be to you 189 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: when somebody else asked you on a date. Gosh, this 190 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: is so hard just because I have gotten you know, 191 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 1: I'm trying to step outside of the fact because it's 192 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: just like when I'm watching this on the screen, I 193 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: under like I know Rodney or like I you know 194 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like he was on you know, when 195 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: he's on my season, I was able to get to 196 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: know him. And so the way when he's speaking about 197 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: just that he doesn't want to be hypocritical or he's 198 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: speaking about like I don't want to take anything away 199 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: from you, it's purely his concern where he puts the 200 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: other person first, and he's not you know what I mean, 201 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: And so like I really think that Aliza took it 202 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: as like with we all come to the table with 203 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: different experiences, right, but like he Rodney's just trying to say, 204 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to take anything away from you, you know, 205 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: like I don't want to be the person to do that. 206 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to be the person to stop you 207 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: from doing that, and so I think if I were 208 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: in her position, I would see I would probably pay 209 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: more closer attention to like the fact that like that's 210 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: a sign of respect to a certain extent of like, 211 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 1: you know, he wants me with however the experience has 212 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: gone or whatever, like conversations that you've had, he's opened up. 213 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: He seemed to be very vulnerable, you know, they have 214 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: been able to grow that relationship fairly quickly. They both 215 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: you know, got on kind of late, and we're still 216 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: able to like make it to like a fairly like 217 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: sturdy point and it's like that's more of like a 218 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: sign of respect. But then I can also see how 219 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: it could be taken the other way, because it's like 220 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: you do want someone to fight for you in a 221 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: certain to a certain extent, and you kind of know too, 222 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: just being about Charette. It's different in Paradise too, when 223 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: there are more options in front of you and there's 224 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: more relationships forming and like actual tangible couples that you 225 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: can see, and especially on that beach, like when people 226 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: love someone like it seems like collectively everyone on that 227 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 1: beach for the most part, loves Rodney. They adore him. 228 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: They ain't saying how sweet he is. And so when 229 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: you're constantly hearing that, even though she might be into 230 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: someone who's not Rodney like Justin, to constantly hear that, 231 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: I feel like and I don't know, And this is 232 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: why I would love to talk with Eliza, is like 233 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: maybe she felt boxed into, like still trying to force 234 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: that relationship to work even though she maybe didn't fully 235 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: feel like it was the right one. And that's where 236 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, I wish the directness would have 237 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: come out a bit more of like, hey, Rodney, I 238 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: like you, but I also like Justin two. Like, I 239 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: just wish there was more of that where it wasn't 240 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: so muddled. Yeah, I feel like everybody has a love 241 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: triangle almost, Yeah, it is in a love triangle. Yeah, 242 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: it's it'll be interesting to see what happened. But one 243 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: other person that was in the midst of a little 244 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: bit of I'm not even like drama per se, but 245 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: like in the midst of a sticky situation was Logan. 246 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: So I think it's just time to bring him on. 247 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: We have some questions for him, obviously with him and 248 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: Kate's blooming relationship. So without further ado, everyone let's get 249 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: into it with Logan. Logan, welcome back to Happy Hour. 250 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: This is your second time in like two months here. Yeah, 251 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: it feels like home. Now. Hey, your wife has got 252 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: the new co hosts. Yeah, well fill us in. How 253 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: have you been? We saw you at Gabby Richel's mental all, which, 254 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: like I said, was a couple of months ago. How 255 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: have you been since then? I've been good. I've been good. Yeah, 256 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: it's it's just been a crazy year. It's been a 257 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: lot packed into a little bit of time, and I'm 258 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: kind of like getting into the flow of it. I'm 259 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: starting to like, you know, feel comfortable and feel feel 260 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: good about, you know, my journey. So it's been good. 261 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for asking. God, are you exhausted? Because you literally 262 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: came off that Like how it works, everything is such 263 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: a quick turnaround. So you'd come off the season right, 264 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: you went through all those emotions for the first time, 265 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: like that massive learning curve, responding, you know, just seeing 266 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: everybody's baton response to you, and then straight into Bachelor 267 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: and Paradise. Yeah. No, I think emotionally I've probably aged 268 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: like twenty to twenty five years or maybe physically too. 269 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: It's like a presidency I'm just gonna say that. Yep, yeah, 270 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: I mean emotionally, that's not too bad physically, right, Yeah, no, 271 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: I need some emotion. It's like it's been quite a year. 272 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: It's just been stuff. I've just been it's just been 273 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: going and going, you know. But it's it's all good things. 274 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: It's all exciting, it's all helps you grow, it's all productive. 275 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: So it's good things. Yeah, it's good things. How has 276 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: it been watching Bachelor in Paradise back? Like, how's your 277 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: mental state going into like watching yourself on the screen 278 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: again for the second time versus when you're on Reaching 279 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: Gabby season. It's a little bit easier. It's different. It's different. 280 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: I think it is easier in some senses because I 281 00:15:55,600 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: made such good friends in Paradise that it's really assuring 282 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: to like have those people and see them on screen 283 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: talk about you in a positive way, or see that 284 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: people had your back, or like people understood more than 285 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: you thought they did, you know what I mean. So 286 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: you know, it sometimes is nice to watch it on 287 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: the screen and see things that people said behind the 288 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: scenes that maybe made you feel better about a situation 289 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: or just kind of like warmed you up a little. 290 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: Bit like, Wow, what you know, it's nice nice to 291 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: know that that Johnny had my back, or that you know, 292 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: it's nice to know that Shane felt that way at 293 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: that time, or that you know this person. You know, 294 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of nice to hear those things sometimes. Yeah, 295 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: that's actually I'm glad that you brought that up, because, 296 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: like taking it back to when you were on the 297 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: Bout Shred you and I personally don't even think you 298 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: did anything wrong, Like I think you handled the situation 299 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: like as best you could, juggling the two bout Shreds, 300 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: but you kind of in a sense got a bad 301 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: rep for moving from Rachel to Gabby. And you know, 302 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: of course, like in this world, people hype everything up 303 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: and it's also heightened. And so when we saw you 304 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: at the tell all you were struggling a bit, Like 305 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:10,959 Speaker 1: I know that there was a lot out there that 306 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: you were I think that was your first time like 307 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: trying to process with all of the comments and criticism 308 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: from the show and on social media to then going 309 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,719 Speaker 1: on to Paradise. You not only meet all new people 310 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: make new friendships, but it seems like for the most part, 311 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people, like you said did have your 312 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: back and really supported you and got to know you 313 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: for you and who Logan really is, and they all 314 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: had great things to say. So how does that feel? Like? 315 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: Not even that one eighty from your time on the 316 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: bache rap, but like just seeing people kind of like 317 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: see you grow and like support you through that journey. 318 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: What does that feel like? You know, it feels good, 319 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,959 Speaker 1: And I just have to remember that, like being liked 320 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: is not the goal, Like, although it does feel good, 321 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: it is like something that makes you feel special. Whatever 322 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: the truth is, Like the right thing to do is 323 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: always the popular thing to do. And that's kind of 324 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: what I've based like all of my journeys on, like 325 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: whether it was Bachelord or Bachelor in Paradise, Like I 326 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: was faced with some tough choices where there was a 327 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: lot of ways to go about it, and I tried 328 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: to do it in a way that felt like it 329 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: was the right thing to do rather than like, oh, 330 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: this will be received well or this will be popular. 331 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: Um So, although I love feeling like my friends had 332 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: my back and feeling like I'm getting some love from 333 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: from people, I'm just I'm proud of the way I 334 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:41,479 Speaker 1: handled things just because I felt like I spoke in 335 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 1: a way that I was proud of, and I never 336 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: I never intentionally treated anyone in a way where I 337 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: tried to hurt them. And those are things that I 338 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: hang my hat on. So I was I was proud 339 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: of that, you know, Yeah, absolutely, No, I can totally 340 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: I can totally see see that for sure. And that's 341 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: a good mind and set to have with everything. And 342 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: what I will say is, yes, you did have people 343 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: stand up for you, and yes there are people who 344 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: maybe you weren't. You know, they weren't big fans, but 345 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: the ladies seem to be a big fan when you 346 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: were down in Paradise. Because I don't even know what 347 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: the record is for the amount of dates that somebody 348 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: has gone on in one season, but I feel like 349 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: you might be flirting with like the record line, because 350 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: how many how many dates have you gone on to 351 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: this point? Three dates in Paradise you were sought after. 352 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just as surprised as everyone else, 353 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: Like I have no, I don't know how that happened. 354 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: I was not like trying to do that. I was 355 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: not like trying to insert myself into every situation to 356 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: get a date. I think I just you know, I 357 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: met people in a certain sequence where like I came 358 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: down to the beach wanting to get to none and 359 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: she was open to getting to know me, and it 360 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: worked out where she got a date card, and you know, 361 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: Sarah was someone who you know, saw something in me, 362 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: and I was so flattered and floored that I got 363 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: a second one. And then you know what happened with 364 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: Kate was I feel like that was totally um kind 365 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: of like aside, like almost in a different a different 366 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: I don't know how to how to put it. Really, 367 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: it just felt a lot different. It was. It was 368 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: something that was very sudden and very jarring, but very 369 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: honest and and that. And then I went on a 370 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: third one. I was just as shocked as everyone else is. 371 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: Like I was not like, oh yeah, this is me 372 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,239 Speaker 1: three days of course, I was like, holy smokes, Like 373 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 1: I didn't even I didn't I didn't go on one 374 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: one on one on my season, So I was like 375 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: not used to that. I was not. I was totally 376 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 1: caught off guard, but totally flattered, totally grateful, and you 377 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: know it, each experience was so different, Each date was 378 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: so different and offered offered insight into who I was 379 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: with and in a different way. But yeah, it's great. Well, 380 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: you know what they say, third times a charm, and 381 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: it seems like that third date really was the one 382 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: for you. But okay, before we get into like the 383 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: more serious side of the relationships in those dates, let's 384 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: go back to the very first night you had a 385 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: moment with Lace or should I say Loose that was 386 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: quite iconic. Did you think her name was Lucy? Like? 387 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 1: How did that come out? Becky? You nailed it? I was. 388 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: I was a lot of people have gathered from from 389 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: different parts of the of the episodes that I wasn't 390 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: well versed in, like my Bachelor history, and I showed 391 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: up to the beach and everyone was a fresh face. 392 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: Like no matter who they were unless they were on 393 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: my season, they were they were a new person to me. 394 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: And you know, Lace approached me and like wanted to 395 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,239 Speaker 1: have a conversation and I was totally up for it. 396 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: And while we were talking, I'm like, Okay, her name 397 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 1: definitely starts with it out. I've only been here for 398 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: a couple hours. I'm learning everyone's name. I was almost 399 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: sure it was Lucy, but I was like I keep 400 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: hearing like one syllable like, so it's so it's loose 401 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: short for Lucy. And I'm like, I'm gonna do it. 402 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna send it. I'm gonna say it and see 403 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: what I see if it's right. I always yeah, So 404 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just gonna do it. I'm gonna say it. 405 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: So I was like, so loose, what's your favorite movie 406 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: or something like, and she was like, excuse me. And 407 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: on top of that, like I think you were you 408 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: would set up like this little birthday celebration for her. Right, 409 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: she had had a cake made for made by Wells, Yes, 410 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: and it was fake birthday. I just found out it 411 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: wasn't actually your birthday when I watched, like I didn't. 412 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: What was your response? What was your reaction to that? Genius? 413 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,239 Speaker 1: I mean, it's genius. I mean to just be like, 414 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: it's my birthday. I mean I've done that at like 415 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: Chilies before. Oh yeah, I want that free dessert of course. Yeah, 416 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: one night, take Chilies and bring it to Paradise and 417 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: just be like, you know, it's my birthday. Treat me, 418 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: you know, come come talk with me. I was dying 419 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: like that whole that whole encounter and listen like I 420 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: understand getting names wrong, Like I have forgotten names on 421 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: my season. So it's it's a lot to take in, 422 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 1: especially when this is your first time meeting everyone on 423 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,719 Speaker 1: that beach. It's crazy town. Yeah yeah, I mean, how 424 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: many people were there the first night, like some upwards 425 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: of like probably thirteen fourteen, And I'm just like trying 426 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: to get to no names. So once you're too deep 427 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: in a conversation and you can't ask, sometimes you just 428 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: got to like take a swing at it. I get it, 429 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: go bigger, go home, balls to the walls. Yeah. But 430 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: she's great. We're you know, we talked. We're good friends 431 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: now and we totally joke about it. So it's totally cool. 432 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: And she's a great sport about it, you know. So 433 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: you'll you'll have to send her a birthday cake with 434 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: Loose on it on her actual birthday. She saved in 435 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: your phone as Loose. No No, I gave her the 436 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: correct name of the correct yeah, yeah, the correct all 437 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: this time. Okay, wait, so I have two things for you. 438 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: You caught my attention when you said I came down 439 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: the stairs wanting to get to Noaney. What what about her? 440 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: Did you actually like? She didn't have a good rep 441 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: on the first time around. It's like a really not 442 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: a good rep. Yeah, what did you know about her? 443 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: Like what coming down the stage, You're like, I want 444 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: to get to know Regardless of everything that was being said, Yeah, yeah, 445 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: I think you know. Jesse asked me at the stairs, 446 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: like who who would you like to get to know? 447 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: And uh, I said Shane. And it was kind of 448 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: it was a thing where I felt like on my 449 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: season and in just a lot of my life in general, 450 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: I was someone who was like a bit misunderstood just always. 451 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,719 Speaker 1: I just like like on my season, I just I 452 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: was trying to be honest and trying to be the 453 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: right guy, and sometimes it came out in ways that 454 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: maybe people didn't quite understand, and I felt like I 455 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: was kind of the odd man out a lot. I 456 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: felt like an outcast a bit, and just like growing 457 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: up as a kid, I kind of felt that way. 458 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: And I looked at Shane and I was like, this 459 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: is someone who maybe feels that way too, who feels 460 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: like they were kind of like, you know, a bit 461 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: of an oddball in the in the group as a whole. 462 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: You know. She maybe, maybe, I thought to myself, maybe 463 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: she's misunderstood. Maybe she was like very different in person. 464 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: Maybe there's like a lot more to her, and she's beautiful. 465 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'm not gonna act like that 466 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: didn't play a little bit into it. But um, so 467 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: I went down there thinking maybe she was like me 468 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways that that are rare. And 469 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: I wasn't wrong, you know, I that first date, a 470 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: lot of those things that I was curious about were true. 471 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 1: She there is a lot more to shine than people know. Um, However, 472 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: I think there are some qualities that came with with 473 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: that that that overpowered, um, the good things that I saw. 474 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: H there were some qualities that weren't really conducive to 475 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: a relationship to me, that overpowered those good things that 476 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: I saw. So well, let's get into that then, because 477 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: you bring up an interesting point. Did you see those 478 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: right away or did it not come tell later? Because 479 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: like to like remind all of our viewers and listeners, 480 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: like that first week you had the date with Shnay, 481 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: it seemed to go well, and then James comes down 482 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: and she's kind of bouncing between both you and James 483 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: and you're both trying to step up and you know, 484 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: show her how much you care about her, and I 485 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 1: would assume, you know, get that, Rose, so talk to 486 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: us a little bit about your experience, like pursuing her 487 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 1: while she's still exploring the separate connection with James. Yeah. 488 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,959 Speaker 1: So there is no part of me that was that 489 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: was ever upset that she wanted to explore. That. That 490 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: wasn't really what rubbed me, because I know, you know, 491 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: Chane had told me that she had been single for 492 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: a while and that she was she had had some 493 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: tough goes in terms of relationships, and that you know, 494 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: she was just getting used to the idea of like 495 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: having someone long term. And so in response, I told her, well, 496 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 1: if someone comes down those stairs and you feel like 497 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: it's something you need to explore, you should do it, 498 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: you know, because I want you to have the full experience. 499 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: And when that happened and she got the date from James, 500 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: I was I was supportive of the idea of her exploring. 501 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: I didn't realize until later, until she left for split week, 502 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,479 Speaker 1: that I wasn't crazy about the way she went about 503 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 1: it at times. It's not the fact that she wanted 504 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: to date. It was more certain behaviors that made me 505 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: feel kind of disrespected in a way. Uh And and 506 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: you know what, when it was happening, I was totally 507 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: blind to it because I was I liked her so 508 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: much and I wanted to show where I cared and 509 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to be the person that she picked, and 510 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: and you know, I tried really hard and she ended 511 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: up picking me. And you know, after the day after 512 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: that road ceremony was the morning after was split. You know, 513 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: we got split, so we never we never really got 514 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: to like have a conversation before she left about how 515 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: that we kind of affected me and how I was 516 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: feeling about how she went about it and if there 517 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: was some things we should talk about or work through together. 518 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: Rather than having any of those conversations. Jesse was like, 519 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: you're you're splitting. They're going here, You're going here. So 520 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: you know what, when she left, I talked with my friends. 521 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you saw a part of it. We sat 522 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: on the couch and I was like, I don't know, 523 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: I don't know what to do in the situation. And 524 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: they were like, hey, man, you know as your friend, 525 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: she was like making out with James ran in front 526 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: of your face, and you know, she was like there 527 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: was some some behaviors that we saw that make us 528 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: think maybe you should explore, Maybe you should give yourself 529 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: the same grace, you know, because she had this opportunity 530 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: to explore and she did it, and you should do 531 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: it too. So it was it was a long kind 532 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: of like process to go through in my head to 533 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: get to the get to the final conclusion of like, 534 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: you know what, I should do the same thing, and 535 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: I should tell her how how how it made me feel, 536 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: and kind of like I should do it in a 537 00:29:55,360 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: way that's respectful. So long answers. No, No, I'm so 538 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: glad that you actually brought that up or started talking 539 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: about that, because so this is something that I was 540 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: wondering as I was watching it last week go down. 541 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: So you and Cheney have the split week, right, that's 542 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: when you start exploring. You went on a date with Sarah, 543 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: you went on your date with Kate, You're now with Kate, 544 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: and the girls come back to the beach, and so 545 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: you know, at that point you have to have a 546 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: conversation with Shaney and just say, hey, you know, I'm 547 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: being tugged over here by Kate. And that's kind of 548 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: like where my head and my heart are at right now. Obviously, 549 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: now you've watched the all unfold, so you watched her 550 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: time when she was at the hotel. She obviously went 551 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: on a date with Tyler. She wanted to take Tyler 552 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: to the boom boom room, and then that didn't work out. 553 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,719 Speaker 1: So when you're like, obviously, your experience when you were 554 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: living in a moment was vastly different than when you're 555 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: watching it back. But what was going through your mind 556 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: now when you're seeing all of that unfold, basically wants to, 557 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: you know, go spend the night with Tyler, and then 558 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: she gets upset for you, at you for saying you 559 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: have these feelings for Kate, because I was like, in 560 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: my mind, I'm watching this, I'm my girlfriend. You just 561 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: tried taking this man this other man to the boom 562 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: boom room, and now you're getting mad at Logan for 563 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: kind of doing the same thing, but like not even 564 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: taking Kate to the boom boom room. No, Yeah, what 565 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: was that like watching it back? Because you obviously had 566 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: no idea. It's not like she's going to tell you that. No, 567 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: I had no clue that it had gotten to that point. 568 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: I mean, all that I was told by Shaneia was 569 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: that she had kind of explored something with Tyler, but 570 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: that he didn't make her feel the way that I 571 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: can make her feel. And obviously, like we approached the 572 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: situation very differently, you know, if you remember the sound bites, 573 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: like on my date with Sarah, I was literally like 574 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: I'm scared to hold her hand because I don't know 575 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: what that would imply, you know what I mean. It 576 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: was like, and of course I let my guard down 577 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: and eventually opened myself up to it, but I was 578 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: very hesitant, was very like unsure of like if I 579 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: wanted to risk well, I mean se had it was 580 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: like a big it was a big battle in my head. 581 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: Whereas looking back at at her journey, she was like 582 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: what she was like, let's go to that. It was 583 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: but it was very hypocritical and that's why I'm like, hey, girlfriend, 584 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: why are you so mad at him right now when 585 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: you literally did the same thing. And she also was 586 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: like this is great. I'm just here because everyone was 587 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: really stressed. Where the other girls, the original girls, I 588 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: was all stressed, and she was like, this is great. 589 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: I'm just hanging now where I mean your condition A 590 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: told you get that piece. But like just dating, We're 591 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,239 Speaker 1: just dating. This is life, and it's like, I get 592 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: I get that, but yeah, I think her exact quote 593 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,479 Speaker 1: was like, I'm just so glad Logan's not here, something 594 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: like yeah I was. I was like obviously watching back 595 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, I mean when you put 596 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: it in bullet points, like you called me a slow, 597 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: dumb F word, you said I was gutter trash, you 598 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: tried to take wait buddy, this was all said about you. Yeah. 599 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: I don't remember this. I do not remember that. Yeah, 600 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: she said that to Genevive. Um oh, I said some 601 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: pretty intense things about me, called me gutter trass. I 602 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: mean the night before I broke up with her, or 603 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: two nights before she tried to take my buddy Tyler 604 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: to the boom broom room. And then I'm I got 605 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: the fire I got, I got the heat for it. Yeah. 606 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: So I was like watching it back, I was like, man, 607 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: I I feel like I didn't visit you know, I 608 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: didn't have any of that coming. So Lace lose. And 609 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: then I was okay, wait, my conversation with Lace like 610 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: fits into all those other sat after so I'm talking 611 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: about everybody who sought her after you, Okay, And then 612 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: I out of nowhere though Kate, Kate professes her love 613 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: or her not love yet interest to miss something. Yeah 614 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: she's yep, she just came right out of the gates. 615 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: Hey we do that now. But so Kate does professor 616 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: interest for you? And how like were you surprised? Was that? 617 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: Like were you totally caught off card? Oh? Yeah, it 618 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,760 Speaker 1: hit me like a comment. It was like out of nowhere. 619 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: I know they only showed part of it, but there 620 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: was a bit of a There was a really impactful 621 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: conversation where it actually started with her talking about her 622 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 1: connections and you know, almost asking me for advice in 623 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: a sense where she's like, how are you feeling? How 624 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: do you deal with all this? You know a couple 625 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,439 Speaker 1: of these people where your what's your experience with them? 626 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 1: And it went from that almost like a friendly advice 627 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: conversation to like, you know what, I feel really comfortable 628 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: talking to you and I've never said this, but I 629 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: have like an attraction towards you. And it was like whoa, 630 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: It was like it was shocking, you know what I mean? 631 00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 1: And I my first reaction or response was I feel 632 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: that way too, and it was it was exciting. It 633 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: was also like frightening because I'm like, I love Jacob 634 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: to death. That's one of my good buddies, and I 635 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: would never want to put that friendship at risk. She 636 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: also was friends with Sarah, you know, and she understood 637 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: like the impact that us pursuing each other would have, 638 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 1: but she was still for it, and I think that's 639 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: what like was the most magnetizing for me. She was like, 640 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: we'll figure it out, we'll talk about how to go 641 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: about it, we'll like try and be respectful, but like, 642 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: you're the person I want to be with, so I'm 643 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: willing to walk through fire to get there for you. 644 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm with you, like I'm I'm 645 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: here for it. I'm one hundred percent in just because 646 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: that kind of like it's gonna be hard, but like 647 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: it's worth it if we can be together type attitude. 648 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: That's kind of like how I feel, like, if you know, 649 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,839 Speaker 1: if anyone's like picked that up, if that's how I feel. 650 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: It's kind of like a do or diet type thing 651 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: where it's like whatever, we'll figure it out along the way, 652 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: but if it ends with us having a chance, then 653 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: let's do it. And that's kind of how she came 654 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: at me in it. It was like it hit me hard. 655 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: I liked it and I was here for it. You know. Well, then, 656 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: so you went on this date with Kate, and I 657 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,919 Speaker 1: said this on the podcast last week, it seemed like 658 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 1: you just felt both of you felt more at ease 659 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 1: with each other, Like it just seemed so lighthearted, you 660 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: could banter off of one another. And I because we 661 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: had Kate on last week, and I'm like, that date 662 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: could have been really awkward with anyone else, like massaging 663 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: each other up and sowen mud on one another, you know, 664 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: like you like you had to have done it with 665 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 1: the right person, and it just seemed easy for the 666 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: both of you. So talk to us about that like 667 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: undeniable connection on that date between you two. Yeah, I 668 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: think a lot of our attraction toward each other was 669 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: based on humor, you know, being able to like poke 670 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,879 Speaker 1: fun at herself and she's very good at that. So 671 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 1: like it was obviously a date that could have been 672 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: super awkward. Um, I think we had like we were 673 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 1: like feeding each other cucumbers, like under the massage table, 674 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: We're like slapping mud on each other's bags, making just 675 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: like the most ridiculous jokes and stuff but yeah, it 676 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,479 Speaker 1: definitely does take the right person. I think that date 677 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 1: with anyone else could have been like awkward. Yeah, I 678 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,240 Speaker 1: think that that's like one of my favorite things about 679 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: these shows that people at home like don't understand is 680 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 1: that it is so awkward like these dates. You you're 681 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: you're in the room, but like you have all the 682 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: producers around you, you have all the cameras that are 683 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 1: right there, and then it's like this first date situation. 684 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 1: So it's like you learn who you're comfortable ill with 685 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 1: and who you're not very very quickly. But can take 686 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 1: Can we take a second to talk about the camera angle? Yes? 687 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, when your head the chair and there was 688 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: there's no camera staring up at you and you just 689 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: owned it. Feel like you're dead on like broke the 690 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: whole fourth wall. It was so great. I'm like cameraman, 691 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: so all I can do is like get all these angles, 692 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,399 Speaker 1: get up in here. Oh yeah. I love the memes too. 693 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: It's like, uh, what's the movie where he's like here's 694 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 1: Johnny and it's like, well, and like in your defense 695 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: to Kate, I think what's sitting at you? On you 696 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 1: at that point, so it's like you didn't really have 697 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: anywhere to go, Like the cameras below you, Kate's on 698 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: top of you. You're like, I'm in it to win 699 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: it right now, I'm here for it, Like this is 700 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 1: my TV moment. We think about, like my family is 701 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: going to be seeing this, and like they're like dead ass, 702 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: just like straight onto my face through all this while 703 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: this chick is sitting on top of me massaging. You 704 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: know what, when you're that deep in it, You're like, 705 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,959 Speaker 1: my family's gonna see all of this. I'm just gonna 706 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 1: lean into it and I'm gonna like you is what 707 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:57,800 Speaker 1: it is? Granmy sorry, sorry, sorry Grandpa. How was Kate 708 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: feeling coming back, not even from that date per se, 709 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 1: but like knowing that she would be coming back to 710 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: the beach with you, you guys were obviously together, and 711 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 1: then knowing at some point soon Sane would be coming 712 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: back and you'd have to have that conversation with her 713 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: because they didn't quite hit it off and like have 714 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: great things to say about each other at the tell all. 715 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,279 Speaker 1: So that had to have been looming in the back 716 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 1: of her mind too. What was she like, we were 717 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,879 Speaker 1: like very much a team about it. I think that's 718 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: what kind of what I was talking about. We were 719 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,919 Speaker 1: very comforting toward each other, and we knew it wasn't 720 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:33,360 Speaker 1: going to be pretty, and we knew that it was 721 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: going to be rocky. But yeah, she said something to 722 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: the effect of like like I'll be your life raft 723 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 1: if you need me, which is like really sweet, you know, 724 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 1: And I tried to give that same thing to her, 725 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 1: like and it's not just you know, Shane is not 726 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 1: a monster or anything. And obviously like breaking up with someone, 727 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 1: like there's feelings of frustration, there's going to be that. 728 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,359 Speaker 1: It was more of like, whatever happened, it wasn't like, 729 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: ohe is going to be this this crazy whatever. It 730 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: wasn't like that. It was more like, this whole entire 731 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 1: process is going to be difficult for both of us, 732 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: and as long as like I'm holding your hand, whatever, 733 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,840 Speaker 1: we'll figure it out. So that was the kind of 734 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 1: attitude that we had for each other that made it 735 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: feel like it's going to be tough, but we'll figure 736 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 1: it out, you know. Yeah, Yeah, it felt like her 737 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 1: she had a lot of confidence. I'm sure that was 738 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 1: calming almost It seemed like it was calming to you, 739 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: just that she was able to vocalize that so well 740 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,839 Speaker 1: to you about you know, how difficult it was, and 741 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: then you two return or potentially would be. But then 742 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,880 Speaker 1: you two returned to the beach, what was the vibe like, 743 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: did you feel like everybody else kind of had support 744 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,839 Speaker 1: four Kate and you of kind of how things would 745 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,360 Speaker 1: potentially unfold and now that you guys would be exploring 746 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,240 Speaker 1: that relationship. Yeah, I think I had some great friends 747 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: on the beach. We got really close to me and 748 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: the guys, and they wanted me to be happy, you know, 749 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: and they I mean, they're looking out for for the 750 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 1: girls too, but they saw me as someone who I 751 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 1: think I would like to say they saw me as 752 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 1: someone who was like following their heart and who was 753 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,919 Speaker 1: like doing something difficult because he found someone he really liked. 754 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: And so they were they were happy that I was 755 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 1: able to come at the other side on it, you know, 756 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: and you know, be sitting next to someone who I 757 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: was like pretty into. So they were really supportive. So 758 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 1: let's get into the next week when Hayting comes down 759 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 1: and asks your girl on a date. Were you so 760 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:41,239 Speaker 1: floored that she said yes? And what was that like 761 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: when she left? Were you so confident in that connection 762 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,879 Speaker 1: that you two had built where you were like, she's 763 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,839 Speaker 1: going to go on the state, realize you know kind 764 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 1: of what he is, about who he is, and you 765 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,719 Speaker 1: know we'll be fine returning. Like what was going through 766 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 1: your brain all day? Because that had to have been 767 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,359 Speaker 1: a long day. Yeah, and you know what, I had 768 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 1: already been through a lot in the last couple of days. 769 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 1: I felt like, and so would she. But I kind 770 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,759 Speaker 1: of kept that same attitude that the whole time I 771 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 1: was at the beach, which is like, if you love something, 772 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 1: then let it go. If it comes back, it was 773 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,880 Speaker 1: meant to be. And I was never gonna be someone 774 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,439 Speaker 1: who was like, you're not allowed to do this. You're 775 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 1: not like, I don't care if you're interested, if you're 776 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,799 Speaker 1: not allowed. I would never be that guy. All I 777 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,759 Speaker 1: could do is express or try to express whether I 778 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,880 Speaker 1: was good at it or not, expressed that I didn't 779 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,280 Speaker 1: love the idea and express that like it's not something 780 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 1: I'm going to enjoy. It's something that is a necessary 781 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 1: evil to test the relationship, but I don't love the 782 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 1: idea of it. And she decided to say yes, And 783 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I was surprised. I thought I would 784 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 1: give her the option to go, and I thought she 785 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,080 Speaker 1: would say no and say like I thought she would 786 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 1: say no. I thought she would say, I'm into logan 787 00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:58,880 Speaker 1: and we just went through all this stuff. He just 788 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,719 Speaker 1: got cursed out by saying he just you know, we 789 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 1: just had this crazy week together. This thing is set 790 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: in stone. We're gonna, you know, get to know each 791 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: other more and explore this relationship. And I was hoping 792 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 1: that's how I would you know, that's how it would go. 793 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: But she ended up accepting the date and I said, Okay, 794 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 1: well that's not the outcome I wanted, but maybe it'll 795 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 1: make us stronger, maybe it'll be better, you know. So 796 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,360 Speaker 1: got a roll with the punches. Do you feel like 797 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 1: because because Kate was so vocal, and she was so 798 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 1: vocal with you right off the bat, and you know, 799 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,799 Speaker 1: we talk about with love languages and how everybody receives 800 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: love or you tend to love in the ways that 801 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 1: you want to receive it correct. So's she seems like 802 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,759 Speaker 1: she does it like a lot of words of affirmation, 803 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,719 Speaker 1: telling you I will be the life raft she's you know, 804 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 1: giving you these very distinct things that allow you to 805 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,880 Speaker 1: hear that she is there. Do you feel like maybe 806 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,800 Speaker 1: in that situation, she was looking for you to really 807 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:59,279 Speaker 1: like strongly vocalize as she had before everybody came back 808 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 1: to the beach. She was looking for a vocal like 809 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,279 Speaker 1: vocal response, you know, the vocal of like don't go 810 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,319 Speaker 1: you know. I think she probably was, and I'm like, 811 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,840 Speaker 1: I'm like mature enough to like realize I'm not always 812 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,880 Speaker 1: good at that. You know. Sometimes I keep my cards 813 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,839 Speaker 1: close to the chest and I don't, like it's hard 814 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,200 Speaker 1: for me to let someone know how much I care. 815 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 1: So I that's something I could have been better at. 816 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 1: And I'm like willing to, like, you know, say that. 817 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 1: But I think you're right, like we we we show 818 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,279 Speaker 1: love in the way that we want to receive it. 819 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 1: And for me, it was like at that point in 820 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,080 Speaker 1: my journey, I was like not even considering. I was 821 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 1: like not even looking over my shoulder a little bit. 822 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,880 Speaker 1: So when you know, when she comes to me and 823 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 1: she's like, I'm thinking, I'm I might go on a date, 824 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 1: at that point, I'm like I was hurt, you know, 825 00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,879 Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, what if you feel 826 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,799 Speaker 1: like going go ahead. I a little bit of like 827 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 1: a laz fair like whatever attitude because I was like 828 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:08,399 Speaker 1: her a little bit so well, and I feel like 829 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,920 Speaker 1: to you get to and I'm sure you felt this 830 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,399 Speaker 1: on the beach, but like it seems like you get 831 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,279 Speaker 1: to a certain level or like a threshold in a 832 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 1: relationship on that beach where you feel solid and confident, 833 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,320 Speaker 1: right Like at first everyone's kind of testing the waters 834 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 1: and keeping their options open and wanting to explore everything. 835 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,840 Speaker 1: But at a certain point you get there and you're like, Okay, 836 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 1: I'm solid in my connection. Like at this point people 837 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,080 Speaker 1: can come down and I'm not worried. And it seems 838 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,279 Speaker 1: and I guess like from this week that's where we 839 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,759 Speaker 1: were all thrown because it seems like you and Kate 840 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 1: were there, and it also seemed like riding in the 841 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,480 Speaker 1: lines over there where it was like nope, you know, 842 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,240 Speaker 1: we can have these tests, like these new people come down, 843 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,840 Speaker 1: We're solid. So I understand why you would have felt 844 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,600 Speaker 1: the way you did when she said yes to the 845 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,480 Speaker 1: state with Hayden. Yeah, And I would like any advice 846 00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 1: I would give to someone to come down on the beaches, 847 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,160 Speaker 1: you have to be like overly over and on the 848 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,000 Speaker 1: nose and say things very bluntly or else they will 849 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:11,759 Speaker 1: be stretched unless you say, like, Hey, so you and 850 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,600 Speaker 1: I are never going to accept another date? Right, right? 851 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,399 Speaker 1: Unless you say that, Like, it's not clear, nothing left 852 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 1: up for interpretation. It's like the whole telephone game thing 853 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,719 Speaker 1: where like people talk and other people say things, and 854 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,640 Speaker 1: then you're with the producers and it's like all this 855 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,319 Speaker 1: hearsay for a while where it gets so muddled. So, yes, 856 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,200 Speaker 1: I love it. You just said that. Just be blunt 857 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,720 Speaker 1: and direct for anyone going down to Paradise in the future. 858 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,480 Speaker 1: I feel like it's very needed because you could thank 859 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,960 Speaker 1: you having an understanding like, oh, we're on the same page. 860 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,880 Speaker 1: You're not tell you you're not. Yeah, Okay, Logan, we 861 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 1: got to wrap this up soon before we get into 862 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,160 Speaker 1: like the last little bit here, give us a teaser 863 00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,439 Speaker 1: of what's to come without giving too much away. Just 864 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:03,360 Speaker 1: a little sneak peak teaser Paradise. Okay. Um, there's a 865 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 1: lot of fun coming up in the next you know, 866 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,439 Speaker 1: a couple of episodes of Paradise. There's also a ton 867 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:13,839 Speaker 1: of heartache for my friends, maybe something for me, Like 868 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:19,160 Speaker 1: there's a there's a lot of head and it's it's exciting, 869 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,560 Speaker 1: it's terrifying, it's uh, it's it's great to wash, You'll laugh, 870 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,480 Speaker 1: you'll cry, it's it's a lot of head so you 871 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,560 Speaker 1: definitely got to tune in to understand what I mean. 872 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 1: I like that you said fun. I don't think anyone 873 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,120 Speaker 1: else has that. I mean, it's like especially I'm like, 874 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,400 Speaker 1: you guys had fun. Okay, good, Everyone's like it's wild, 875 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,840 Speaker 1: it's crazy, it's dramatic. It's like, we know what this 876 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,000 Speaker 1: TV show is. No, there is there is some fun. Yeah, 877 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,799 Speaker 1: there is some. There is some laughing, maybe some dancing 878 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,120 Speaker 1: maybe from me. Even Oh, okay, I know what you're 879 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,320 Speaker 1: talking about. I see what you're putting out their logan. Okay, 880 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: I love it. Um No, that was perfect. I feel 881 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,919 Speaker 1: like even though I mean, we're already what eleven episodes 882 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,560 Speaker 1: deep right now, and like there's still so much more 883 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,440 Speaker 1: to go, so we are invested. But logan before we 884 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,239 Speaker 1: let you go. We always do this thing where we 885 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,640 Speaker 1: love to keep all of our listeners informed and share 886 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,719 Speaker 1: important resources. So Michelle and I usually always start but 887 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,719 Speaker 1: that we would love if you could share a resource too, 888 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,600 Speaker 1: for all of our listeners. Michelle, would you like to 889 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,839 Speaker 1: start this week? Sure? Sure? So we've been doing this, like, 890 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,239 Speaker 1: like I said, for a little bit now. And the 891 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,640 Speaker 1: podcast that I'm actually going to be referring to is 892 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,600 Speaker 1: it focuses on a lot that's going on and a 893 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,279 Speaker 1: lot of the tension, you know with the comments that 894 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,319 Speaker 1: Kanye is creating and that kind of that hurt, that pain. 895 00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,759 Speaker 1: So it's called Voices, called Voices on Anti Semitism. They 896 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,960 Speaker 1: go in, they interview all these different people who had 897 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,160 Speaker 1: survived the Holocaust and it kind of just really digs 898 00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:00,719 Speaker 1: into it of just perspective and allows the listeners to 899 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:05,880 Speaker 1: actually hear like stories, um, and actual feelings, and it 900 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:13,080 Speaker 1: unfortunately puts a face in a voice to the people 901 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,359 Speaker 1: who are being directly affected and so um that yeah, 902 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,440 Speaker 1: that one I can link for you guys. It's just 903 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,640 Speaker 1: it's a really really powerful podcast. Again, it's clued Voices, 904 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:28,760 Speaker 1: and so I highly recommend listening to everybody whom everyone 905 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,839 Speaker 1: should know what's going on, and and definitely taking a 906 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:37,200 Speaker 1: step in not you know, condoning any or not accepting 907 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,480 Speaker 1: just how anyone in the public, ie how famous or not. 908 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,279 Speaker 1: Um doesn't mean that they're always doing the correct thing, 909 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,359 Speaker 1: and to definitely be held accountable. So all right, and 910 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,040 Speaker 1: what platform is I'm sorry, did you say, Michelle, Um, 911 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,239 Speaker 1: I believe it's on I know that it's on Apple Podcasts. 912 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,680 Speaker 1: I believe. I'll check on Spotify, but I'll always put 913 00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,840 Speaker 1: the I'll link the list of the areas and then YouTube. 914 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,200 Speaker 1: You can also get a run of that two voices, 915 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:08,960 Speaker 1: Thanks Michelle. Okay, I have a couple because well, one 916 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,080 Speaker 1: randomly popped up last night, So I'm going to share 917 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:15,320 Speaker 1: that one first, because y'all know I love Grayson Anatomy, 918 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,040 Speaker 1: and I will say that obviously we know Grayson enemy 919 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,879 Speaker 1: focuses on surgery, but they did have an episode that 920 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,239 Speaker 1: I watched last night that I feel like is this 921 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,960 Speaker 1: was probably filmed years ago and it's still very timely. 922 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:33,360 Speaker 1: It's season twelve, episode seven, and basically there's a scenario 923 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,480 Speaker 1: in the show where it discusses white privilege a bit, 924 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:41,239 Speaker 1: and basically, like the moment how and Win, one of 925 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:45,600 Speaker 1: the white surgeons finally realized like her implicit bias that 926 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,120 Speaker 1: she had so obviously that she was entertaining. But I 927 00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,480 Speaker 1: think it's very timely still for this day and age. 928 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,440 Speaker 1: The one that I wanted to share though, is I 929 00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,160 Speaker 1: actually have the book here and I just started it, 930 00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,920 Speaker 1: so I'm not very deep into it, but it came recommended. 931 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,440 Speaker 1: It's called Born a Crime by Trevor Noah, and basically 932 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,600 Speaker 1: so he was born in South Africa during apartheide, and 933 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,000 Speaker 1: he was born to a black South African mother and 934 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,520 Speaker 1: then he has a white European father. So it's basically 935 00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:19,200 Speaker 1: his story going through growing up during apartheid as a 936 00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:23,600 Speaker 1: biracial man. Again, I'm still fresh in it, but one 937 00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,640 Speaker 1: part that it gets into is kind of like how 938 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,040 Speaker 1: speech dictate the way he would act and like assimilate 939 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,440 Speaker 1: in different group settings. So once I'm finished with this, 940 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:37,840 Speaker 1: I will still share more about this book. But that's 941 00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:39,880 Speaker 1: one of the resources that I'm sharing this week. And 942 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:44,560 Speaker 1: also because by the time this airs, we're not going 943 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,160 Speaker 1: to have another episode before the following week, so don't 944 00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:53,160 Speaker 1: forget next week everyone. Tuesday, November eighth is National election Day, 945 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,520 Speaker 1: so get out and vote because it's so important. And 946 00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,120 Speaker 1: that's the third thing. That's the third resource and homework 947 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:02,200 Speaker 1: to do is vote on Tuesday. Remember eight with good 948 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,760 Speaker 1: so that you're Trevor Noah. Um. That one the resource. 949 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,359 Speaker 1: There's actually like an also like an adapted version for 950 00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,120 Speaker 1: like younger children. I think it's like I don't know 951 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,359 Speaker 1: what age range is, but I think it's like ten 952 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:16,879 Speaker 1: between ten and fifteen. I can try to find it too, 953 00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,960 Speaker 1: but there's like there's an audio book for it, and 954 00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,880 Speaker 1: there's a book that adapts. Um So, it's like a 955 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,000 Speaker 1: little bit easier to understand and it makes it more 956 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,600 Speaker 1: Um thanks Michelle. Yeah, awesome, all right the teacher and 957 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,680 Speaker 1: I love. I was gonna say, well, your kids were 958 00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,160 Speaker 1: probably a little bit younger than for that, but you 959 00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,920 Speaker 1: guys are great ones. Those were both awesome. Thank you 960 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:42,280 Speaker 1: you were up man. All right, um So, I there's 961 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,760 Speaker 1: I'm a very outdoorsy guy. I used to be a 962 00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,759 Speaker 1: snorical tour guide. Um big kayaker in the ocean. I 963 00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:55,759 Speaker 1: love the beach obviously. Um So. I found an association 964 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,680 Speaker 1: called Parks for Everyone, where it's focused on giving the 965 00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:04,680 Speaker 1: opportunity to have outdoor experiences to underprivileged and more diverse 966 00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,959 Speaker 1: groups of people. I think a lot of times these 967 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,920 Speaker 1: types of activities which are like great for you physically, 968 00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,799 Speaker 1: great for your mental health, learning about nature, learning about 969 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:18,919 Speaker 1: animals and different species, and conservation, a lot of kind 970 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,319 Speaker 1: of the same groups of people get access to these 971 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,759 Speaker 1: types of activities, and there's a ton of people who 972 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,080 Speaker 1: could probably benefit from those types of activities that never 973 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,080 Speaker 1: get to just because they don't have the resources or 974 00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,759 Speaker 1: they're just never exposed to it in general. So this 975 00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,000 Speaker 1: association Parks for Everyone was made in twenty twenty and 976 00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,200 Speaker 1: it's focused on giving like more diverse groups of people 977 00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:44,920 Speaker 1: access to outdoor activities. They plan hikes, they plan kayaking trips, 978 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,360 Speaker 1: ocean trips, you know stuff, stuff where people can experience nature, 979 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,839 Speaker 1: and there's no exclusion when it comes to who can 980 00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,560 Speaker 1: enjoy our you know, our oceans and our mountains and 981 00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,879 Speaker 1: forests and stuff. And you know, it gives a lot 982 00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:03,040 Speaker 1: of different kinds of people access to those benefits. So 983 00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:07,080 Speaker 1: awesome parks for everyone. I will have parks for everyone. 984 00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:11,040 Speaker 1: Pay well, thanks slow, grand I appreciate that. Yeah, before 985 00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,359 Speaker 1: we let you go. Okay, so we're gonna do our 986 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,239 Speaker 1: rose and thorn. So basically what you're gonna do is 987 00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,560 Speaker 1: you are going to give us a rose, so a 988 00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,920 Speaker 1: positive part in your experience up until this point, and 989 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,319 Speaker 1: then a thorn, which you can guess something not so 990 00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:32,000 Speaker 1: positive up at this point and messy, crazy whatever. Totally 991 00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:37,240 Speaker 1: the rose. It's easy for me when I got to paradise, 992 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,799 Speaker 1: me and Johnny were obviously very good buddies. And every 993 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,640 Speaker 1: morning we'd wake up early and go jump in the 994 00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,520 Speaker 1: ocean and go swim out to the rocks and hang 995 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,759 Speaker 1: out in the waves. And then one by one, like 996 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,680 Speaker 1: Aaron started coming and then Rodney and Branding and all. 997 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,120 Speaker 1: Eventually we had the entire group of guys up at 998 00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,120 Speaker 1: sunrise swimming in the water in the ocean every morning. 999 00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,480 Speaker 1: It was like the coolest way to start a day ever. 1000 00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,120 Speaker 1: All we're all buddies. We called it the Sunrise Swim Club. 1001 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,279 Speaker 1: Coolest way to start a day, you know, go get 1002 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,480 Speaker 1: breakfast after that with your with your buddies. So that's 1003 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:13,000 Speaker 1: my Rose Thorne. I got like some of the gnarliest 1004 00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:17,000 Speaker 1: infected bug bites that would make you sick to your stomach. 1005 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:21,680 Speaker 1: It was like, give me pictures, insane. Yeah, you wouldn't 1006 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,759 Speaker 1: want to see him though. On that note, Logan, we're 1007 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,360 Speaker 1: kicking me off. It has been a pleasure once again, 1008 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:30,360 Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll see you back after the reunion. I 1009 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:35,240 Speaker 1: would love that. All right, thank you guys. It's been fun. Okay, 1010 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,319 Speaker 1: well that was fun. He's he's such a nice guy. 1011 00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,000 Speaker 1: I'm glad that he was able to shed a little 1012 00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,280 Speaker 1: bit more light on you know, his time and relationships 1013 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,480 Speaker 1: and all of the dates he went on during Paradise. 1014 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:49,600 Speaker 1: So thanks Logan, thank you, and Michelle always so much 1015 00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,840 Speaker 1: fun with you. But the biggest things goes out to 1016 00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,279 Speaker 1: our Happy Hour listeners. We couldn't be here each and 1017 00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,640 Speaker 1: every week without you, guys and everybody. Don't forget that. 1018 00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,400 Speaker 1: You can catch all new episodes of Paradise every Monday 1019 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,719 Speaker 1: and Tuesday on ABC or stream on Hulu. 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