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Speaker 1: and everyone, I'm Haley Ellwood. Joining me today is Jeff

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Speaker 1: Miller of the La Times. Final Drive looks a little different,

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Speaker 1: but we want to get started by a huge congratulations

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Speaker 1: to Chris Harry, who's the new dad to two girls,

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Speaker 1: Isla and Ava. They were born over the weekend. Jeff,

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Speaker 1: we got a big assignment filling in for him today. Well,

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Speaker 1: we certainly do. Either's. I'm just going to do my best.

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Speaker 1: but we'll just do the best weekend. Yeah, congratulations to Chris.

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Speaker 1: That's a fantastic can't before Yep, So Jeff is here.

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Speaker 1: We are going to recap the twenty to seventeen loss

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Speaker 1: to the Dallas Cowboys. Jeff this game was a lot

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Speaker 1: of things pretty though not one of them. But what

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Speaker 1: do you make of this matchup? Yeah, you said it, Haley,

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Speaker 1: it was not pretty. It's just way, way too many mistakes.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not saying anything that the Chargers

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Speaker 1: Twelve penalties. Those are the ones that were accepted. They

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Speaker 1: which I don't know what you take from that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I guess that's a good sign. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: bad stuff, but I mean, if you want to look

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Speaker 1: at it from a positive, I mean, they played against

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Speaker 1: you know, the Cowboys are a pretty good team, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes for the Chargers and they still

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Speaker 1: the other team is just running it down your throat

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Speaker 1: like they did yesterday. Yeah, when it comes to the penalty.

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Speaker 1: I pretty much lost track of how many times head

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Speaker 1: He said it felt like a preseason game. It kind

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Speaker 1: Today's Jerry Epstein on my podcast last week, and she said,

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Speaker 1: and the Cowboys obviously hit that fifty six yard as

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Speaker 1: And if it's fifty six yards, but that's good enough.

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