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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: What's up? Everybody?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to move the sticks?

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Speaker 2: DJ, Buck with you, Buck?

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Speaker 1: What is going on?

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Speaker 2: Man? Not too much DJ?

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Speaker 3: You know, last part of the week as we look

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Speaker 3: forward to a weekend with some really good games.

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Speaker 1: Before we get to the games here, by the way,

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Speaker 1: what's the latest. Are we healthy? We got the high

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Speaker 1: school squad healthy. We got a little over a week

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Speaker 2: What we got?

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Speaker 1: What we're looking like?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, trying to put it all together.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's crazy because it's more like a collegiate thing,

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Speaker 3: But you know what it is, man like the first

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Speaker 3: and shorts, and then we put the paths on and

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Speaker 3: the game kind of changes things. So we just got

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Speaker 1: One thing I love talking with you about every year,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to get to a coach discussion here

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Speaker 3: So I would say this, and like obviously in southern

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Speaker 1: So that's that's one innovation we could be looking at.

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Speaker 3: And what I want everyone to do is to go

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Speaker 3: But it's getting my quarterback to the line of scrimmage

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Speaker 3: Okay, So when I started playing little league football, the

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Speaker 2: Take everybody to the hall. He was staying right behind

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Speaker 3: Like, hey, litt, Johnny, hey Seal, the defensive man, We're

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Speaker 3: You're going to have a bunch of college coaches that

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Speaker 2: At it, think about it, think about it.

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Speaker 1: Just let me give you one brief example. So let's say,

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Speaker 1: Like, there's no card that says pump the X hit

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Speaker 3: People need to go back and look at Jared Golf's

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Speaker 2: Come to the line, get him set dummy call.

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Speaker 3: Now the defense has to uncover and but the past

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Speaker 3: DJ they used to have to look to the sideline

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Speaker 3: It is mind boggling what could happen and how the

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Speaker 2: For all of those other things.

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Speaker 3: Who is going to be the defensive mastermind that utilizes

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Speaker 2: We can Yep. It's gonna be interesting to see how

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Speaker 1: Well, you just think of the advantage of experience, right,

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Speaker 3: So I think I'm glad you brought up Chip Kelly

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Speaker 1: A high level one hundred percent. Let's take quick break, buck,

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Speaker 1: We'll get to these coaches, rookie coaches. What kind of

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Speaker 1: All right, well lead us off here. I don't think

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so we can go with Raheem Morris number one

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Speaker 2: With Sean McVay.

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Speaker 3: He talked about the collaborative effort between front office and

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Speaker 3: We can talk about being excited about Tampa. New Orleans

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Speaker 3: you cannot underestimate the job that Raheem Morris did with

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Speaker 1: How about number four Buck?

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Speaker 3: got good personnel. Christian Wilkins and Max Scrubby teaming up

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Speaker 3: is an issue for opponents trying to block them at

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Speaker 3: the point of attack. Offensively, the debut of the twelve

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Speaker 3: personnel package with Michael Meyer and Brock Bauers both on

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Speaker 3: the field at the same time, it's going to be

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Speaker 3: a headache.

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Speaker 2: You ask any defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 3: One of the toughest things to defend is ace personnel

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Speaker 3: with two tight ends on the field, particularly with one

447
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Speaker 3: of those tight ends it be the chess piece and

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Speaker 3: be the queen on the chess.

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Speaker 2: Board move anywhere.

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Speaker 3: And with brock Bauers being able to do that, they're

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Speaker 3: going to have some opportunities. It's just a matter can

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Speaker 3: the quarterback make the place because right now the mark

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Speaker 3: is the quarterback. A O'Connell or Gonna minshew Is are

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Speaker 3: either one of those guys good enough to win games.

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Speaker 1: I think Bowers is gonna be awesome. I haven't seen

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Speaker 1: them in camp, little preseason action. He runs like a

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Speaker 1: wide out. I mean he is. He is really, really

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Speaker 1: a special player. So I'm excited about him. And I

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Speaker 1: will say Jack Jones, if you're going to put down

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Speaker 1: favorites to lead the league in interceptions, Jack Jones might

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Speaker 1: be at the top of the list. He is a

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Speaker 1: ball magnet. He's gonna have a monster year. Just needs to,

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Speaker 1: you know, just just keep keep focused. If he stays focused,

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Speaker 1: he'll have a big, big year for the Raiders. Brian Callahan,

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Speaker 1: with the Titans, you have at six.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, The Sincy Titans are an interesting team right because

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Speaker 3: they've acquired enough veterans where they can win. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if they have enough depth behind the veterans to

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Speaker 3: be able to sustain it if they begin to get

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Speaker 3: hit with the injury bug.

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Speaker 2: What I will say, Don.

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Speaker 3: Dinar will be dear Wilson would be able to kind

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Speaker 3: of get this defense up and going. They got some

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Speaker 3: people up front, Jeffrey Simmons. You think about how they

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Speaker 3: upgraded the secondary Lagerius snead, but then bring it over

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Speaker 3: Jamal Adams and Quandary Diggs, and even though it's an

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Speaker 3: older group that you're counting on if healthy, they got

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Speaker 3: enough experience to be able to help him.

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Speaker 2: But a lot of it.

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Speaker 3: Will fall to Will Levis, and Will Levis take a

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Speaker 3: reasonable jump in year two to take advantage of the

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Speaker 3: weapons that he has on the outside with Calvin Ridley,

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Speaker 3: DeAndre Hopkins who's injured but will eventually come back, and

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Speaker 3: then Tony Poulod in the backfield. They kind of have

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Speaker 3: an asterisk by their ascension to the top, but if

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Speaker 3: things go right, they still have enough talent to be.

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Speaker 2: Able to be in that competitive mix in the AFC South.

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Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of new pieces need to

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Speaker 1: come together there though I mean that would be my one.

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Speaker 2: A lot of things have to go right for him.

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Speaker 1: All Right, You've got New England's Drod Mayo at number seven.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So here's the thing that's interesting about the New England Patriots.

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Speaker 3: The New England Patriots got rid of Juju Smith Schuster

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Speaker 3: then in desperate need of a veteran wide receiver to

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Speaker 3: help their young QB.

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Speaker 2: I can't call him QB one.

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Speaker 3: Their young QB to b in drig may And without

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Speaker 3: that man, they just have a very pedestrian cast of

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Speaker 3: pass catchers on the perimeter. And so the rookies kind

501
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Speaker 3: of show us what they can do Javon Baker, Jalen

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Speaker 3: Polk and those guys.

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Speaker 2: So you just don't know where they're going to get.

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Speaker 3: The one thing we do know defensively, this is a

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Speaker 3: unit that has traditionally played well over the last five years.

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Speaker 3: They find a way to get it done. Regardless of

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Speaker 3: where they're missing pieces or not. They typically play very

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Speaker 3: very well. Does Gerard Mayo have the chops to fix

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Speaker 3: things like Bill Belichick could.

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Speaker 2: Fix things in the middle of the season when it

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Speaker 2: came to the defense.

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Speaker 3: That's what I worry about. They're really far behind when

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Speaker 3: it comes to the rest of the division. You think

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Speaker 3: about the Dolphins, the Bills, they just have more firepower.

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Speaker 3: So that's why I have them ranked number seven.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do love him as a coach. I just

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Speaker 1: think they don't have the pieces yet. They are another

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Speaker 1: offseason away from being a really good competitive team. Defensively,

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Speaker 1: they'll be okay. I just don't see enough Blue players

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Speaker 1: offensively for them to win enough games. So I would

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Speaker 1: have him down here towards the bottom. I think i'd

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Speaker 1: have him the exact same spot you have him, Buck.

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Speaker 1: I don't really have a lot of discrepancy or a

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Speaker 1: lot of disagreement on any of this stuff.

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Speaker 2: I wish I did.

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Speaker 1: Probably make for a better enlivening, enlightening conversation, but I

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Speaker 1: think this stuff kind of ligns itself up. Including a

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Speaker 1: number eight on the list, which is the Panthers. Dave Canalis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Dave cadnallis man.

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Speaker 3: He just steps into a situation where he's look as

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Speaker 3: a rebuild. I mean it's a complete rebuild. They've added people,

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Speaker 3: They've added personnel all around into wide receiver corps. Deontay Johnson,

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Speaker 3: David Leaguette and those guys like trying to help them out.

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Speaker 2: But offenusly Man, they have so much work to do.

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Speaker 3: And even though he's done a really good job to

536
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Speaker 3: last two stops and helping Baker Mayfield and Gino Smith

537
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Speaker 3: play at a pro Bowl level, respectively, for Bryce Young,

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Speaker 3: you can get him playing better, but may not see

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Speaker 3: the results immediately from the offensive unit because they just

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Speaker 3: don't have enough talent to overwhelm some of the top

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Speaker 3: teams in the league.

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Speaker 1: I would say, of all these teams that you just mentioned,

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Speaker 1: they were at the bottom of their mountain, you know,

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Speaker 1: like in terms of if you're looking at each division

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Speaker 1: as an individual mountain. Now, the good news is Buck

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Speaker 1: they're on the shortest mountain. So like he's got, they

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Speaker 1: got they they are behind everybody. But it's not a

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Speaker 1: world beater division, so you know it should be It

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be too much to ask for them to just

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Speaker 1: get closer to competitive, you know, than than maybe their

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Speaker 1: talent would suggest, just because I don't think this is

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Speaker 1: a world beater division.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean that's the thing, And so can

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Speaker 3: they maximize the talent because if he gets them to

555
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Speaker 3: play hard, if he's organized, he can snatch a couple

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Speaker 3: of games that he should. And you know, man, any

557
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Speaker 3: given Sunday, even when we talk about teams being really bad,

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Speaker 3: we're still talking about a seven to ten point differential

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Speaker 3: on a game day. A turnover here, like a favorable break,

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Speaker 3: something happens. Momentum is a funny thing. They just have

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Speaker 3: to play hard. And if they play hard and they

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Speaker 3: take care of the football minute they reduce their turnovers,

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Speaker 3: they'll give them a chance to kind of sneak and

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Speaker 3: win some games.

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Speaker 2: Not enough to get to the top.

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Speaker 1: Of the division though, Yeah, I think it're gonna play

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Speaker 1: a lot of low scoring games. So they got to

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Speaker 1: find a way to you know that, they need to

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Speaker 1: be creative. They need to steal. They need to steal

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Speaker 1: a couple of games. Whether that's just by being maybe

571
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Speaker 1: a little bit over aggressive defensively. Maybe that's something with

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Speaker 1: this new kickoff rule. They can get something going on

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Speaker 1: special teams, but they got to find a way to

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Speaker 1: steal a couple because I just don't think they have enough. Again,

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Speaker 1: similar to the Patriots, I just don't think they have

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Speaker 1: enough dudes to be able to be a really really

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Speaker 1: good football team. So got to be creative, got to

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Speaker 1: find a way to steal a game or two. But

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Speaker 1: that was fun man, going through all those coaches. Anything

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Speaker 1: else you want to add on here?

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Speaker 3: No, Like, it's funny because we talked about the rookie

582
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Speaker 3: coaches and how quickly you can turn things around what

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Speaker 3: used to be about a three or five year plan.

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Speaker 3: Right now people want instant results. Some of these coaches

585
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Speaker 3: will find themselves on the hot stage if they don't

586
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Speaker 3: have major strides in year one. Man, year two, you

587
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Speaker 3: talk about being squarely on the burner just because you

588
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Speaker 3: weren't able.

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Speaker 2: To get it down quickly, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: All right, well that's gonna do it for us today Again,

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Speaker 1: we got three in for you this week. We'll be

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Speaker 1: back with more pods coming your way. Next week we'll

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Speaker 1: recap week two of the preseason fun So far, it's

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Speaker 1: the only going to get better. I can promise you

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Speaker 1: that in college football it is knocking on the door

596
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Speaker 1: right around the corner.

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Speaker 2: So appreciate you hanging with us.

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Speaker 1: See you next time.

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Speaker 2: Right here on, Move the sticks