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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: We've had a great couple of hours coming up for you.

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Speaker 2: George and Alreay back with you. Author James Wiley is

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Speaker 2: a broadcaster and award winning screenwriter. He has published a

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Speaker 2: number of books that can be currently seen as an

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Speaker 2: expert on the documentary series Nazis Threads of Evil, which

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Speaker 2: is available on Prime Video here in the United States. James,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the program. You've been away for four years?

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Speaker 2: Six years?

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Speaker 3: Six years? Is it really six years? That's I don't

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Speaker 3: even think about that really too much. I don't think

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Speaker 3: maybe we could travel back in time to see the

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Speaker 3: first one.

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Speaker 2: Our dear host who interviewed you six years ago, Ian Punnett,

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Speaker 2: passed away a few years ago.

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Speaker 3: That's very sad. I'm sorry to hear that. How have

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Speaker 3: you been not bad? Thank you? It's hey fee this

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Speaker 3: season over here in the UK. So if I sound

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Speaker 3: a bit sniffy, that's the reason we.

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Speaker 2: Get a lot of that here in the United States

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Speaker 2: as well. Yeah, tell us about the Time Travelers Handbook

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Speaker 2: eighteen Experiences from the Eruption of Vesuvius to Woodstock.

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Speaker 3: Tell me about that well, it was really a I mean,

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Speaker 3: there was a fun idea essentially because I co authored

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Speaker 3: it with Johnny Acton and David Goldblatt and just came

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Speaker 3: up with a sort of fun notion of would it

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Speaker 3: be like if you could actually take a vacation into

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Speaker 3: the past. He could you know, have a nice holiday

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Speaker 3: some anywhere in history, any place, anytime. And then we thought,

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Speaker 3: well what would that involve, And that led to this

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Speaker 3: idea of kind of writing like a travel guide, so

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Speaker 3: you know, like you might buy a travel guide or

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Speaker 3: look online for a travel guide today if you're planning

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Speaker 3: a long trip. The idea here was to provide the

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Speaker 3: same kind of service and information, but to visit events

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Speaker 3: in the past.

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Speaker 2: What kind of time traveling trips are you offering to folks?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean again we thought a bit like nowadays,

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Speaker 3: you can have every kind of different sort of vacation.

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Speaker 3: So we thought we'd offer you know, a range of

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Speaker 3: sorts of activities or options. So we put significant historical events,

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Speaker 3: turning points or crisis moments that you gain quite famous

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Speaker 3: and that people might be interested in witnessing. We looked

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Speaker 3: at entertainment, so you know, being able to go to

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Speaker 3: Shakespeare's Globe, for example, to see a Shakespeare player at

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Speaker 3: the time, or going to wood Start or major sporting

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Speaker 3: events like an ancient Olympics. There's options to go on

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Speaker 3: quite long journeys as well. So the idea was really

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Speaker 3: to mix things up like like today, like you can

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Speaker 3: have any kind of sort of adventure on a holiday today,

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Speaker 3: or do any kind of activity. So he wanted to

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Speaker 3: offer that kind of range of options.

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Speaker 2: I would have loved to have gone back to see

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Speaker 2: Jesus just to hear him speak. James.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we did think about that, to be honest, as

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Speaker 3: an option, but I mean might get into more detail

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Speaker 3: about this later. But because of the kind of rules

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Speaker 3: of time travel, we had to think quite carefully about,

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Speaker 3: you know, what kind of moments in history could you

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Speaker 3: travel back to without making too much of an impact

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Speaker 3: on because we were obviously applying the classic time travel rule,

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Speaker 3: which is, if you go back in time, don't change anything.

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Speaker 3: Don't change even the smallest thing if you can help it,

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Speaker 3: because you'll come back to the present and everything will

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Speaker 3: be different. So with Jesus, we we've we've felt the

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Speaker 3: risks were quite high getting noticed or being there's another

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Speaker 3: disciple suddenly at the last supper. You know that that

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Speaker 3: we did think about it though.

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Speaker 2: Now the time travel that you talk to people about,

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Speaker 2: is it something mental or do you really think you

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Speaker 3: The whole notion is that you know, we now have

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Speaker 3: the technology to send you back in time with the

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Speaker 3: proviso that you don't do anything that might alter what's

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Speaker 3: happening in the time that you travel back to. So

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Speaker 3: you know you're getting the time travel machine, Would you

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Speaker 3: say cases, et cetera, and be physically transported back to

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Speaker 3: that moment that we've you've chosen to visit. What's really

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Speaker 2: What's the machine look like?

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Speaker 3: None of us are scientists, particularly, so I just think

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Speaker 2: Remember the hul story, the time machine that they turned

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Speaker 2: into a movie with Rod Taylor.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and I think some other not quite as good

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Speaker 2: I believe that time machine looks something like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's in any way, certainly in

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Speaker 3: I mean, a bit like a phone box kind of

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Speaker 3: who you know, he has his Tardest which is again

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Speaker 3: looks like a phone box, and that travels through time

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Speaker 2: What if you could not get back, James, get back

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Speaker 2: to your present life.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you know we have to. That's as

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Speaker 3: our utmost to ensure that you do get back. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: and again that's affected that consideration. I mean, it's your

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Speaker 3: suppose you could try and survive on your own and

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Speaker 3: in the best condition possible really, which again did make

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Speaker 3: us have to think quite hard about what sorts of

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Speaker 3: obviously one of the things we thought about awards. Obviously

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Speaker 3: people getting injured or not coming back would be quite serious,

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Speaker 3: I think, and I.

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Speaker 4: Know you're going to want some after hearing this. This

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Speaker 4: is an amazing story.

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Speaker 1: We've got Stephen and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: I understand that Malachi, who is eight almost nine years

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to right.

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Speaker 5: It was Tie's book actually that got me thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 4: It is an amazing immunal modulator, and so I can

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Speaker 4: see that it would work. And so at what point

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Speaker 4: did you see that there was actually improvement It's really

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Speaker 5: Well, look, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.

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Speaker 5: You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller

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Speaker 5: and then going down to the with just little red marks.

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Speaker 5: The whole things are gone, and we're talking about what's

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Speaker 5: you know one the size of the wanner. I thought,

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Speaker 5: no way, that's gonna wow. It's just been miraculous to

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Speaker 5: see him get into a pair of shoes.

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Speaker 1: Yes, how wonderful.

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Speaker 5: It's great to see him so happy and yeah.

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Speaker 3: Competent, absolutely wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Friends that have seen it, that is blown away. TI,

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Speaker 1: this is awesome. Yeah, this is awesome.

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Speaker 2: Do you have to set your time machine in the

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Speaker 2: exact geographical location that you want to appear?

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Speaker 3: Very precise? It's very precise in terms of time and location.

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Speaker 3: So you'd move something else, sorry, so you'd move it around?

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Speaker 2: You wanted to see Jesus born, you've got more.

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Speaker 3: You've got more than one of these things. Imagine an airport,

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Speaker 2: If you wanted to see Jesus born in Bethlehem, you'd

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Speaker 3: Right, yes, you send them back to Bethlehem, and you

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Speaker 2: Now, how do you dial up the precise time that

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Speaker 2: Do you have many clients that one of us.

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Speaker 3: The business is doing pretty well? I have to say

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Speaker 3: You know, people of the world as we know it nowadays,

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Speaker 2: Much do you charge? Sorry, how much does it cost?

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Speaker 3: It's not cheap. It's not cheap. Obviously, it's not the

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Speaker 3: let's say it's got to be about ten thousand thought.

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Speaker 2: Now do you guarantee the successful trip?

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Speaker 3: We guarantee will get you there. We'll give you everything

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Speaker 3: one piece exactly. But if you choose to misbehave and

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Speaker 2: I'm afraid generally, where do people want to go back

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Speaker 3: Well that the future is not an option yet, that's

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Speaker 2: I'm afraid, all right, where do they want to go

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Speaker 3: Well? I mean so, I mean that the trips to

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Speaker 3: Shakespeare's London are very popular, as you'd imagine they would

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Speaker 3: It's again because of you know, the vast interest in

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Speaker 2: You picked the Beatles in Hamburg, Germany in nineteen sixty.

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