1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: The guys from paying They've kind of showed me how 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: much the equipment matters. I just love that I can 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: hit any shot I kind of want. 4 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 2: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about 5 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 2: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf. 6 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Pink Proving Grounds Podcast. I am 7 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: Shane Bacon. That is Marty Jerts and Marty. We got 8 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: a great guest and we also have kind of a 9 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 1: live experience here at the PGA Show. 10 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is fun. 11 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 2: You get all the sounds, the feels, the bright lights 12 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 2: of the PGA Show. 13 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 3: We're here with John K. Solhin. 14 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 4: Good to be here. 15 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been a bit avid listener and I'm happy 16 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 5: to actually be on the show now. 17 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're on the other end of that, Johns. 18 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 4: A lot of pressure. John. 19 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: I asked you this question to kick it off. Are 20 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: you have you frequented podcast guest a lot or is 21 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: this one of your first ones? 22 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 4: This is my first podcast? 23 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: You feeling nervous? Are you excited about it? 24 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 5: Hello? I guess a little un usually not nervous about 25 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 5: a camera, but it's a pretty good podcast, So. 26 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 4: I got a lot to live up to. 27 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: It elevated. 28 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's been some good talent on here. 29 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: Well, we wanted to give it a kind of your 30 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: journey to where you're at right now. I mean there 31 00:00:58,080 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: was a lot of pressure, I'm sure in that world 32 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: as well. At what age did you start to get 33 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: the sense that maybe you'd want to get in the 34 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: family business. 35 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, you talk talk about pressure. 36 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 5: I would say there was pressure when I was young 37 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 5: that everyone assumed I was a good golfer. So and 38 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 5: I would say I did not handle that pressure very 39 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 5: well on the golf course. 40 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: Were you a good player when you're. 41 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 5: Young, like better than average, but nothing spectacular? So like 42 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 5: pretty good junior, but like nothing spectacular? And then I 43 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 5: would say yeah, as I started interning at Paying kind 44 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 5: of fell in love with the business, was like, this 45 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 5: is what I want to do. And then it was 46 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 5: the weird experience to me was right out of college 47 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 5: when I started working there, you know, having the Solheim 48 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 5: last name, I'm working with people who had been there 49 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 5: for twenty years, and they're instantly coming to me asking 50 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 5: me what they're. 51 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 4: Supposed to do. 52 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 5: You've got all this experience. I'm the new guy here, 53 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 5: so there. I guess I never saw it as pressure 54 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 5: at that point, but it was I guess enlightening to 55 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 5: me just how it actually worked like. 56 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: That, Jock K, what have talk us through your journey, 57 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 2: like like maybe some of the projects or departments you 58 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 2: worked on is both an intern And then when he 59 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 2: started going on full time. 60 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 4: How long is the podcast? 61 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we got we got, we got plenty of time, 62 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,399 Speaker 2: but at high level. 63 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 5: Break run down, so like really cool. When I was 64 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 5: in high school and college, I'd come in to work 65 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 5: the summers, got to work like side by side with Carston, 66 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,959 Speaker 5: my grandpa. Yeah, like multiple summers. He always had like 67 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 5: an assistant. He was a lot to work for. So 68 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 5: his assistants would get a summer assignment, they'd get a breather. 69 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 5: I'd come in and by the end of the summer 70 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 5: I was wiped out. He was hard to keep up with. 71 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 5: He always had something to go on the go, got 72 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 5: to travel with them, but really learned a ton just 73 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 5: from him and his attention to detail and just like 74 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 5: what was important what wasn't important in business and in 75 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 5: golf club development. 76 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 4: So that kind of. 77 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 5: Fueled the fire of Hey, I love golf club design. 78 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 5: I want to be in the golf business. So I 79 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 5: went to school, got a mechanical engineering degree and then 80 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 5: got hired onto Ping right out of school. Was like 81 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 5: a putter designer at first, So learned how to do 82 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 5: CAD and was designing putters. You go, if you know, 83 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 5: Ping like ISO Pure putters was my first project. So 84 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 5: it was our first insert putter. So it was pretty 85 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 5: exciting to be involved with that. And then to me 86 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 5: just kind of magical designing a product and you know 87 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 5: the time it takes. 88 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 4: It takes, you know, a year or whatever. 89 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 5: And then actually we came to the show and launched 90 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 5: it right and just I just remember being so giddy. 91 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 5: I'm not quite as giddy at the show anymore, but 92 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 5: I've just back then on how exciting it was to 93 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 5: launch this new series of insert putters. 94 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 4: So I had a kind of a. 95 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 5: Career in engineering, continue to design putters, and it wasn't 96 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 5: that long. I got an NBA during like my first 97 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 5: five years of work. While I was working, and then 98 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 5: I became the VP of engineering. Ran engineering for ten years, 99 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 5: and then I got a signed to run our Japan 100 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 5: office Pingolf Japan. Went there for about four years, ran 101 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 5: that came back and then I would call that was 102 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 5: like the transition time. Doug Hawkin was the president before me. 103 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 5: He was kind of whatever at his sunset of his 104 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 5: career and he retired. I took over in twenty seventeen, 105 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 5: became the CEO. I think in twenty two. Maybe it 106 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 5: was the beginning of twenty three. To be honest, I 107 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 5: don't know what the difference at PING is between president 108 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 5: and CEO, but now I have both titles and that's 109 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 5: what I'm enjoying doing right now. 110 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask about the experience of Japan. First 111 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: of all, where'd you live? Where were you based out of? 112 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 5: So I was a Tokyo as Abujuban was where my 113 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 5: apartment was. Our offices were kind of on the northwest 114 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:48,239 Speaker 5: side of Tokyo. 115 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 4: So I had like a. 116 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 5: Fifty minute train commute forty five minute to two hour 117 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 5: car drive depending on traffic to work. 118 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 4: So yeah, I was right in the heart of Tokyo. 119 00:04:58,480 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 4: It was an awesome experience. 120 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: Did you speak Japanese? 121 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 5: I got Rosetta Stone before I. Yeah. That was back 122 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 5: like when you bought disc right, So. 123 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. And then I did have a tutor, like I would. 124 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 5: I stuck with it, so once a week I'd have 125 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 5: the tutor come over, I would say, what I learned 126 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 5: is I thought like after a year into it, it would 127 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 5: start to get easy and snowball. I got a year 128 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 5: into it, and I would say, did pretty well for 129 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 5: that year, and then just got to a point where 130 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 5: I was like, it's just getting harder and harder. So 131 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 5: I remember the conversation with my Japanese tutor. I'm like, 132 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 5: no new stuff. I just you've taught me a lot. 133 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 5: I just want to get good at what I know. 134 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 5: And I've kind of realized I've hit my peak and 135 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 5: I just want to get better at that. So I 136 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 5: stuck with it the whole time I was there, but 137 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 5: kind of after a while, I was like, I'm not 138 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 5: going to be able to write it. I'm I can 139 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 5: read the alphabets they have. 140 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 4: But I can't read the kanji. 141 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 5: I knew maybe a hundred symbols at the time when 142 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 5: I was there, But so I can get by if 143 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 5: you don't speak Japanese. I can make it sound like 144 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 5: I do speak Japanese, and I can tell the taxi 145 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 5: cab and order food and all that. But we get 146 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 5: in a business setting or whatever, and I'm catching twenty 147 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 5: percent of it. 148 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 4: Or something like that. 149 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 2: John K tell us a little bit about like what 150 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,679 Speaker 2: you learned in your time in Japan the business side, 151 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 2: and then just helping grow our brand because when you 152 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: went over there, you know, our market share is nothing 153 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 2: close to what it is today, and what were some 154 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 2: of the big changes you make and things you learned 155 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 2: on the business side there. 156 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 4: So I learned a ton. 157 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 5: I would say, like, our market share was under one 158 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 5: percent when I got there. We had we had gone 159 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 5: through we had distributors there. We had multiple distributors. I 160 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 5: would say that none of them were doing great. They 161 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 5: in the heyday of the eighties, we did very well 162 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 5: in Japan, and then just by not investing in that marketplace, 163 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 5: we had lost a lot of market share. So it 164 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 5: was about five years before I went there. We started 165 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 5: our own company there and just hadn't really taken off. 166 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 5: I would say the observations I had is we were 167 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 5: doing a lot of the same is what our Japanese 168 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 5: competitors were doing. And I remember talking to the team, 169 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 5: I'm like, but we're not a Japanese company, like the 170 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 5: consumer can see, we're faking it. This is not who 171 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 5: we really are. And I'm like, we've got the best 172 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 5: players in the world playing our clubs. We have a 173 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 5: great market share in the US and Europe. We just 174 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 5: need to leverage that, and we need to tell we're 175 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 5: a US company. Our ads need to be in Japanese. 176 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 5: They need to be able to understand it and everything. 177 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 5: So I would say we just changed our focus. So 178 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 5: like the first point where we had success, I think 179 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 5: it was back it was a G ten driver, you 180 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 5: could correct me if I'm wrong. Where we went to 181 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 5: the heavier head. We went to the counterbalance shaft and 182 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 5: the heavier head. Now what the Japanese consumer wanted to hear, 183 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 5: They were all about total weight light. Yeah, and I said, 184 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 5: you know what, We're gonna double down on it. We're 185 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 5: gonna market heavyhead. So we went on movie head, which 186 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 5: means heavyhead, big huge kanji. And that's right when we 187 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 5: started to get traction. We was like, this is what 188 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 5: we are. We do it for performance reasons, and we 189 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 5: started to gain traction and we've been gaining market share 190 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:04,559 Speaker 5: there ever since. 191 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a cool story. So staying more authentic to 192 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: our brand. 193 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. 194 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 3: On the physics side, so what you're seeing in. 195 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 5: The US here at the PGA show is what you 196 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 5: see in Japan, it's the same thing. 197 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 4: Maybe a little different, but the core is the same. 198 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. 199 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: Another follow up question for you, John k is how 200 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: do you kind of along that vein how do you 201 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: kind of stay authentic to like our culture and our 202 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 2: heritage while not letting that hold us back from innovating 203 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 2: or thinking differently. 204 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, so that's I mean to do that 205 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 3: in your leadership role. 206 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 4: Definitely do a great job with that tough balance. 207 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 5: Like I saw, like when I first became president, and 208 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 5: I think I was here and everyone, you know, what's 209 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 5: on your agenda, what you're gonna do, And I'm like, well, 210 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 5: the biggest thing is to not screw up. And you know, 211 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 5: we've got a great company here. We've had, you know, 212 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 5: at the time, fifty five years, sixty years of success, Like, 213 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 5: let's not mess that up. So we got a lot 214 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 5: of good things going with that. Said, we'd had had 215 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 5: some bad years. We had a tough years where I 216 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 5: think we just got a little slow on whether it's 217 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 5: adjusting to the industry like where you know, where we're 218 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 5: doing retail at all sorts of things. We were late 219 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 5: with metalwoods and titanium and stuff like that. So I 220 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 5: would say it's been a balance of like hanging on 221 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 5: to our heritage, and our heritage has always been about 222 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 5: performance and better performing product and then leveraging that to 223 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 5: make us better and to make us change and embracing change. 224 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 5: So I would say we had kind of gotten very 225 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 5: just content with where we were and not not falling 226 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 5: for that contentment and always challenging to do more so 227 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 5: without breaking the whole machine in the process. 228 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 229 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: You come into this position, you worked, as you said, 230 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: you interned for your granddad. Do you look at yourself 231 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: in terms of a leader more like your dad or 232 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: more like your granddad. 233 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 5: And why a little bit of both, neither of them 234 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 5: or whatever. So like, so I would say it's like 235 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 5: just as a company, ages or whatever, like the next 236 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 5: generation of management is always a little different. So Carston 237 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 5: definitely was that entrepreneur, you know, risk taker, did everything. 238 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 5: Like I remember coming to the engineering department and being like, Okay, 239 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 5: I'm going to design putters and they're like, well, Carston's 240 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 5: on vacation, so we're not really doing anything. 241 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 4: He was never on vacation. 242 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 5: He was traveling in Europe or whatever, and they're like, yeah, 243 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 5: we're waiting for him to get back, and I'm like, really, like, 244 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 5: there's nothing to worry. It's like, well, I might be 245 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 5: exaggerating a little bit, but it was very much like, hey, 246 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 5: we need to wait for him to give us next 247 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 5: direction on what to do. And then I think my 248 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 5: dad came in loosened that up. What my dad I 249 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 5: think is really good at is like the super fine 250 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 5: points of the design. Like I was still because I 251 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 5: was always like, We've got this great design, and he 252 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 5: would always find ten things wrong with it. 253 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd be. 254 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 5: All upset, and then we do what he said and 255 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 5: then it's better, And I'm like, so it took me 256 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 5: like ten years to realize that's actually a pretty good 257 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 5: management skill, the strength of saying no and making people 258 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 5: go back to the board. So I would say, I'm 259 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 5: I'm more of an enabler, like a team builder, set 260 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 5: the vision and get you know, the guys like Marty 261 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 5: get the team on the bus, really pushing them and 262 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 5: leveraging all their talents. 263 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 4: And I feel like I'm a pretty smart guy. 264 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 5: Myself, but I realize if I get more smart people 265 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 5: with me, we can do more than what I saw 266 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 5: when it was just Carston because I guess I'm not Carston, 267 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 5: so like I need that big, strong team and we're 268 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 5: trying to do more. We got way more irons than 269 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 5: we used to have. We got more woods technology. We 270 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 5: were taken so much technology and information. With all the 271 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 5: player testing we do, we've got a lot of data 272 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 5: to process on a daily basis. 273 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 4: That Marty builds all the apps. 274 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, we all software douts. There's software at the software yeah, 275 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 3: John K. 276 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 2: One thing I've really liked about your leadership style has 277 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 2: been super inspirational to the employees is how hams On 278 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 2: you've been. You know, you were a designer, then you 279 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 2: were a VP of Engineering, and then you were I 280 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 2: remember you took a did a project engineer. You jumped 281 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 2: in there and were doing the tactical work running A 282 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: and T during COVID. We're all helping build clubs here 283 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: down there doing loft and live. I wasn't doing that. 284 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: I gotta admit that. 285 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 3: You you so you get your hands dirty. 286 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 2: Do you think that's come natural to you or are 287 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 2: you making like a conscious effort, like, you know, let 288 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 2: me go, he get my hands dirty. 289 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 5: So I get there are times where I'm like, yeah, 290 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 5: I got to get my hands dirty. I would say 291 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 5: it is kind of just a natural thing. Like when 292 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 5: COVID hit and we had we had, you know, more 293 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 5: golf clubs on order than we could build that one. 294 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 5: I was like, I remember talking to our CFO and 295 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 5: I'm like, well, I'm just gonna go down and start 296 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 5: helping build them. I think everybody can do that, And 297 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 5: he looked at me like I was crazy, and I'm like, well, 298 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 5: like a lot of these people they started in production. 299 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 5: They can just we can go back and work in production. 300 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 5: And I'm liking, to be honest, those engineers, I think 301 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 5: they'd get a lot out of building a club and stuff. 302 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 5: So I really push for that. And I was like, well, 303 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 5: I'm not going to ask people to do it if 304 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 5: I'm not willing to do it myself. And I would 305 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 5: say the people go to they they love doing it. 306 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 5: You interact with the people. I think there's something about 307 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 5: touching that product and like going, this putter is gonna 308 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 5: have a putt to win a club championship someday when 309 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 5: you just think about the customer arts going to and 310 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 5: how you're gonna make their day. So yeah, I definitely 311 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 5: like to be involved in getting my hands dirty, so 312 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 5: to speak. And to me, it's very rewarding what we 313 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 5: do calling golf clubs and stuff, so I never feel 314 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 5: like it's like just getting dirty for the sake of 315 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 5: getting dirty. Every role we have at the company is 316 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 5: providing value, so it's exciting to me to go provide 317 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 5: value in whatever role it is. 318 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: John K we talked about the PG Show a little bit. 319 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: You talked about kind of the first time you saw 320 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: your putter at the show. What is it like coming 321 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: here every year, the development of it, and not just 322 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: the development of the show, but the involvement in ping 323 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: at the PG Show over the years. 324 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, So to me, it is like right when we 325 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 5: like to launch products, so it's great timing for that. 326 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 5: I'd like to think all the PGA pros, our reps 327 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 5: have already hit them with our new product and taking 328 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 5: their orders or whatever, so we're not writing a tonnel 329 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 5: orders here. But it is great to see the whole industry. 330 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 5: You know, golf'spin on quite a run as of late, 331 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 5: so it's nice to be, you know, within a healthy industry. 332 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 4: Everybody's doing well. 333 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 5: We see a lot of great faces, a lot of friends, 334 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 5: a lot of people I wouldn't normally see run into 335 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 5: at the show, so it's great for a lot of things. 336 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: Is it a young person's show these days, or do 337 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: you feel like you still have the energy to kind 338 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: of run through it at the same clip maybe you 339 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: had a decade ago. 340 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 5: It's definitely tiring. I would say, for whatever reason, my 341 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 5: back has gotten better with age. Okay, my back used 342 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 5: to kill me. Interesting, interesting and whatever. We're kind of 343 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 5: getting towards the end of the day here and I'm 344 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 5: still feeling pretty good. So I don't know's I would 345 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 5: think anyone could do it, but it is taxing to 346 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 5: my We had a little meeting ahead of time, and 347 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 5: I thanked everybody for their efforts because everybody's going to 348 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 5: be tired when they're getting on that plane to go home. 349 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 4: And so it's a lot of work to be here, 350 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 4: you know what. 351 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: I compare this a lot, and it's probably a bad comparison, 352 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: but the PGA show is almost Mini Vegas. Everybody shows 353 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: up and they're excited, and you know, everybody's they got 354 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: their new outfits and they're so excited to get here. 355 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: And then you go to the airport on Friday afternoon. Yeah, 356 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: they're kind of droopy and everything is a little bit 357 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: more tired. 358 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 359 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you get a lot of peother here. It's go, 360 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 4: go go. 361 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 5: I like to kind of turn it down earlier or whatever, 362 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 5: because coming West coast to East coast the time change. 363 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 5: I got to make sure I get my sleep or 364 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 5: otherwise I'm want to be a train wreck and I'm 365 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 5: want to be in front of a camera. 366 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 3: So just keep part of it. John K. 367 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: How's the PJ show changed since you first started coming there. 368 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 4: That's a good question. 369 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 5: I would actually say it's more more focused on what 370 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 5: the PGA Show is for. So I would say when 371 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 5: I first started coming, there were way more gigantic screens, 372 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 5: loud stuff, multi story, just a lot of fluff and 373 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 5: hocus pocus type stuff, just like who could do bigger 374 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 5: and better boosts or whatever. I feel like the big 375 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 5: golf equipment brands have all kind of scaled back from that, 376 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 5: and it's a good mix of you got those brands 377 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 5: as well as you've got all the call apparel, all 378 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 5: the other stuff. So as you're a PGA pro, you 379 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 5: can really come here and get you know, what can 380 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 5: you stock in your pro shop that's unique to you 381 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 5: that your members are going to like. So to me, 382 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 5: I think it's gotten a little more balanced on what 383 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 5: we're here for the PGA member and what they're going 384 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 5: to have in their pro shop, and how do we 385 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 5: make the show speak to that. 386 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: Do you still walk the floor. 387 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 5: If I get time to That's the one thing I 388 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 5: kind of want to do a lot of times. I 389 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 5: don't even have time to do it, but and I 390 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 5: want to go for the little knickknacks. But I see 391 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 5: I see all the other stuff all the time. I 392 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 5: want to see what that's the Uh, what's a unique 393 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 5: thing that I could say, Oh, I saw that at 394 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 5: the show. 395 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: It's funny, Marty. I like the I like going and 396 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: checking out the headcover. Companies can always have so many 397 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: cool headcovers over that way, you know. 398 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 2: Inventor's Corner and some someone poured their last two years 399 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 2: of their life and make it some little training aid 400 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 2: and some of them are good. I've picked up some 401 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 2: some cool little training aids over there over the years. 402 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: I've got an easy one for you, John K. What's 403 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: your favorite ping club of all time? You can say 404 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: the putter you built. That's fine, that's an easy way 405 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: out of this. 406 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, those early ISO Pure putters. I would say my 407 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 5: favorite pin club of all time. Hmm, how about G 408 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 5: four thirty Max ten K Driver. 409 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: There you go, Oh, there you go, transition into the 410 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: new stuff. I'm gonna say that might be my favorite 411 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: pink club of all time. 412 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 5: I've had it for a couple of months now, and 413 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 5: I'm getting older, so everything had slowed down. So it 414 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 5: was very nice to see ball speed back up, just 415 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 5: the up substantially, in just all hitting all the fairways. 416 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 4: I want so to me. 417 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 5: I guess I've never had a big tie to an 418 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 5: old product. I've been the guy who kind of easily 419 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 5: switches a lot of times. I've been in the driver 420 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 5: and I'm like, I can't hit anything better, but I'm 421 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 5: gonna try it. I put it in the bag and 422 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 5: I'm like, sure enough. I like G four twenty five. 423 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 5: I didn't think I could hit it better, and I 424 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,239 Speaker 5: got the G four to thirty Max, and I'm like, 425 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 5: that one's for me, and interesting, like I tried. I 426 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 5: wanted to play the G four thirty LST and I'm like, 427 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 5: I just it doesn't work as good for me. So 428 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 5: I went with the Max and I thought I couldn't 429 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,719 Speaker 5: hit any better, and now I'm in the max ten 430 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 5: k and loving it. I've had some putters, Like as 431 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 5: a junior, I putted with a B sixty three a lot. 432 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,479 Speaker 5: My dad designed that putter, So I would say, like 433 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 5: the sentimental value. If I could find that old putter 434 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 5: that I spent years with, I bet it's at my 435 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 5: dad's house, that would be something I'd be like, Okay, 436 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 5: this is this is one that now I look at 437 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 5: it though, it's all way heel shafted, and I'm like, 438 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 5: that was a lot that I was putting with down there. 439 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 5: But but for back in the I made a lot 440 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 5: of putts. All my memories from back then are good memories, 441 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 5: and they they made a lot of putts. 442 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 3: In the ten k. 443 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 2: From a fitting standpoint, you've gone a little bit longer 444 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 2: at length because the drivers I did. 445 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 5: Get from listening to one of these podcasts, I was, 446 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 5: I was like, you know what, I gotta I gotta, 447 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 5: I gotta try the length. So I like literally came 448 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 5: in the next day lou Bebee, who like is my fitter. 449 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 4: I'm like, hey, we gotta try. 450 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 5: And I actually went longer, and I went a half 451 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 5: inch longer and settled on a quarter inch longer. Yeah, 452 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 5: beautiful and loving it because I got a little more 453 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 5: clubhead speed and ball still going in the fairway. 454 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 4: And it's a big deal. 455 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 5: One club in on every hole is a big deal 456 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 5: game change. 457 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: I mean, Marty probably knows the answer to this, but 458 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: I mean you're probably saving three, four or five strokes 459 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: around if you just simply had one shorter club in everything. 460 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, Yeah, that's uh, that is huge in 461 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 2: terms of that compound interest when you get that ball 462 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 2: further down the fairway. 463 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's fun to have all the fun fitting. 464 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 2: Tools to be able to help everyday golfer kind of 465 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 2: make those decisions. Now, John k you've been influential in 466 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 2: kind of having us rethink our iron strategy and having 467 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 2: like a very pure blade iron. 468 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 3: Right. 469 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 2: I think we launched the Blueprint iron. Tour players were 470 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 2: kind of asking us for something like that. We kind 471 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 2: of had to really spend a lot of time diving 472 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 2: in with the tour players. Now, those irons have been 473 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 2: very good for the low single digit handicappers like yourself. 474 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: Avid golfers. Tell us a little bit about you know, 475 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 2: your thoughts on Blueprint ess, Blueprint te and just our 476 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 2: whole like better player iron family right now. 477 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 4: Yeah. 478 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 5: So to me, I think we've made a lot of 479 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 5: improvement there. 480 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 4: I think. 481 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 5: We've got an awareness issue out in the field or 482 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 5: whatever because I play Blueprints and I you know, I'll 483 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 5: have a caddy or people I'm playing with and they're like, 484 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 5: I didn't know ping made a blade. 485 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 486 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, we've been doing it for a while now. 487 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. 488 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 5: But to me, you know, one, it's listening to the 489 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 5: tour player and then you know, I grew up, you know, 490 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 5: playing bigger irons and stuff like that, and I think 491 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 5: it was more just out of a like I wanted 492 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 5: to test it myself. So the original Blueprints, I just 493 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 5: had a set made up, went out and played like 494 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 5: back to back rounds, and I'm like a scratch golfer. 495 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 5: I don't shoot under par a whole lot, but I 496 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 5: think I had back to back under par rounds and 497 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 5: I'm just like, this is a game changer for me. 498 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: Was it like a workability thing? Was it just comfort 499 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: with the look of the iron? 500 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 5: Do you feel so my game, my miss is left 501 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 5: and on an iron, like a big forgiving iron. It's 502 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 5: left and long, so you kind of close the face 503 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 5: down and all of a sudden, you're you're. 504 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 4: Kind of in the wrong zip code. 505 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 5: And if you go look at a lot of golf courses, 506 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 5: you look what's left and long, A lot of times 507 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 5: there's no golf course nasty. 508 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: Bunkers, especially in Arizona. 509 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, so so to me, the miss with the blueprint 510 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 5: is short, straight, Okay, So to me and I, you know, 511 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 5: unless there's a bunker right in front of the green 512 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 5: or whatever, it's usually a pretty easy chip from right 513 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 5: on the front of the green. So to me, that's 514 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 5: what I just started like looking at like my Arcos 515 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 5: data and stuff, and I'm like, yeah, this is this 516 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 5: is better. My location to pin is closer. So I 517 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,959 Speaker 5: became a believer and then that got me, you know, going, well, 518 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 5: now I understand why the tour players are doing this 519 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 5: because when you do, you know, kind of hit a 520 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 5: pretty small space on the face like MOI definitely has 521 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 5: a lot of value. But if you control those misses 522 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 5: and if the smaller head help gives you better misses, 523 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 5: I think it makes a lot of sense. So now 524 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 5: I'm super excited with Blueprint T and Blueprint S because 525 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,479 Speaker 5: now we've got two compact irons, one with the s 526 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 5: with a little higher MOI. And it's crazy how many 527 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 5: tour players, non paying staffers and ping staffers are quickly 528 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 5: gravitating to that. So I'm really excited, and I think 529 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 5: that one has a lot of place in the marketplace. 530 00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 5: I think a lot of golfers are gonna benefit from the. 531 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, or doing mixed sets. 532 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 2: We see a lot of that on tour, like Corey 533 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 2: Connors playing blueprint as four and five iron then going 534 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 2: to the t and it's fun now to have that 535 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 2: iron and the I two thirty. 536 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 3: All with the same lofts. 537 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and design them to be blended because it's such 538 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: a big deal. You can either play them all the 539 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 2: way down or blend them, which is super fun. So yeah, 540 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 2: I've never I've had the same feedback John k. You know, 541 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 2: I think a couple of accounts came by and said, 542 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 2: when are you guys gonna stop making those boxy irons? 543 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 2: And I show them the blueprints. 544 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: They're like, WHOA, yeah, we did it at Yeah, I 545 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: need to ask what is in the bag? What does 546 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: your bag look like right now? 547 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 5: So I've got the Max tank driver, I've got our 548 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 5: LST three woods, which is awesome. So I play at 549 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 5: I five thirty four iron if we even that's not 550 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 5: out yet, is it? No, that's no, But I've had 551 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 5: it for a while. That club is awesome. 552 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: You somebody, you know, somebody paying then get it early, so. 553 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 5: That club's yeah, that club's super flexible. I hit it 554 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 5: off the tee a lot now. And then I've got 555 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 5: so another four iron four I heard through of blueprint 556 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,959 Speaker 5: t and then I've got s one fifty nine wedges. 557 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 4: I've got a. 558 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 5: Fifty so I get pretty precise bent to forty nine, 559 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 5: and then I've got a fifty four to fifty four 560 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 5: and a fifty eight bent to fifty nine, and then 561 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 5: an answer four K putter. 562 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 4: I didn't know it had a name, and then I 563 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 4: just found. 564 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 5: Out we call an answer four K apparently because my 565 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 5: middle name with the K, so it's an answer head. 566 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 5: It's a PLD putter with an answer for hozzle. So 567 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 5: I'm a little more open closed. So went in and 568 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 5: did the whole PLD fitting and beautiful. That was a 569 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 5: cool thing too, because I'm more used to seeing like 570 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 5: the numbers from track Man and Foresight on the launch 571 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 5: monitor with a driver, but now used to seeing numbers 572 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 5: with a putter and when I did that PLD fitting experience, 573 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, there's like numbers at show. This cutter 574 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 5: is better for me and I'm hitting it more consistent. 575 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 5: So that's all the confidence I needed to get it 576 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 5: out on the green and make some putts. 577 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean putterfitny. You gotta fall in love with 578 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: the look of it. But then layer on the science. Yeah, 579 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 2: you know, it's like the marriage of art and science. 580 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 2: So that iping we you know, just that incentive to 581 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 2: you know, try to maximize someone's repeatability is super cool 582 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 2: that we're doing in there. 583 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 3: Now, what about your lob wedge. What grind do you have? 584 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 5: I do have a custom grind there, so it's the 585 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 5: standard soul and then it's got the dish like the 586 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 5: it grind. 587 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 4: Ah yeah on that and that gives me. 588 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 5: It gives me what I like for a full shot 589 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 5: ground impact wise in that bunker and full disclosure week. 590 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 5: Part of my game is my short game the bunker. 591 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 5: I go back to the old eye two days when 592 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 5: I was a kid and I didn't have a. 593 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 4: Short game issue, and it gives me that same. 594 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 5: Feel in the bunker when I get the dish with 595 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 5: the dish, just that nice Crisp comes out and has 596 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 5: some spin on it, So that's been a good combo 597 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 5: for me. 598 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, nice, John Cam. 599 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: How much golf are you playing right now? Do you 600 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 1: get to play once a week? You get to play much? 601 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I feel like people within the 602 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: golf industry either play a lot or they don't play 603 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: much at all, you. 604 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 5: Know, So I play way more. My kids have gotten 605 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 5: a little older, so I don't have as much commitments 606 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 5: on the weekends and stuff. Uh. I've got one pretty 607 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 5: into it. He goes to school at Saint Andrews, gets 608 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 5: out on there quite a bit. He was just at 609 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 5: home for Christmas and stuff, and we got some golf 610 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 5: in together. My youngest son plays a little bit, and 611 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 5: then my girls they do other sports. So but I 612 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 5: would say I play once or twice a week, so 613 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 5: I get a fair amount of golf in. But sometimes 614 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 5: I'll go three weeks without playing. But then I'll make 615 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 5: like I'm playing twice this week or whatever, and then 616 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 5: I think of twice the next week. 617 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 4: I already got it all. 618 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 5: Scheduled, so I gotta It's golf season in Phoenix, so 619 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 5: there's there's a decent amount of golf coming. 620 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: Up if you're gonna play play Now, Marty, what are 621 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: you a week? I've never really asked you this. How 622 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 1: often are you playing the eighteen holes of golf? I 623 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: feel like you're a practicer. 624 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 2: I'm a practicer, and then I'll go play like I'm 625 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 2: Some people at my course are like, I never see you. Well, 626 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 2: I go out at dark and I play like four 627 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 2: or five holes. I hit a bunch of t shots 628 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 2: and I'm out of there. 629 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 3: But it's all. 630 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 1: Work or you played? Do you play much? 631 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 5: Like? 632 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 1: Is there much casual golf in your life? 633 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 3: Not a ton, I'm not. 634 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 2: I just prep for the tournaments and the occasionally I'm 635 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 2: a sundowner. 636 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 3: I go out at sundown. 637 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,719 Speaker 5: That's why I'm kind of cause I get that at 638 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 5: the golf course too. We never see you, and I'm like, well, 639 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 5: I play earlier. I play earlier, but I'm not a practicer. Yeah, 640 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 5: because those premium tea times. I'm like, well, that takes 641 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 5: up your whole day. I like, gotta I gotta get 642 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 5: two things in of the day or whatever. But I 643 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 5: don't practice a ton. Fortunate enough, we do a lot 644 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 5: of like player testing it thing, so I, you know, 645 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 5: make myself available to that, so that'll get me hitting 646 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 5: balls not every day, but twice a week or whatever 647 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 5: at work, So. 648 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 4: That gets me swinging. 649 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 5: And then you know, once a week or maybe twice 650 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 5: a week out on the golf course. 651 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 4: But earlier late. 652 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: When your son decided to go to Saint Andrew's. How 653 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: excited not just as a dad but as a of 654 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 1: for were you that you got to potentially go over there? 655 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 5: You know, yeah, I love you. So we went and 656 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 5: visited him in September for the first time. My wife 657 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 5: plays a little bit of golf, but not much. She's like, well, 658 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 5: what are we gonna do. We're in Saint Andrews. And 659 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 5: I looked at her, like. 660 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 3: You do one thing. 661 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 5: We're going to see her son and we're gonna play golf. Yeah, 662 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 5: Like she did not get that. And then I'm like 663 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 5: we did. Like we had a trip to Mexico and 664 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 5: she's like, well, where do you want to play golf 665 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 5: in Mexico. I'm like, I don't need to, that's not 666 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 5: Saint Andrews. 667 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 4: Like we could go to the beach, we could do 668 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 4: those sort of things. So yeah, I was excited. 669 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 5: We had We played King's Barn in the old course, 670 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 5: the last time we were there, we played in pouring 671 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 5: rain and wind at the old course. So I was 672 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 5: like under par on the way out down win and 673 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 5: you couldn't even tell. Yeah it was, but created a 674 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 5: great memories. Yeah it was a lot of fun. 675 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 3: Yeah so cool, John K? What are you doing outside 676 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 3: of work these days? 677 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 2: I remember, you know, before you moved to Japan, you 678 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 2: were doing triathlons. I'd come into work, Shane and John 679 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 2: K would have already rode ridden his bike sixty you know, 680 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh boy, okay. 681 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, those were the days. 682 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 5: I still would say, I've got like the workout bug. 683 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 5: I would say, it's gotten a little bit more like golf. 684 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 5: Focus on trying to do things to maintain the golf swing. 685 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 5: If anything, speed it up a little bit. Still get 686 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 5: the cardio in, but have it. My knees don't love 687 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 5: running anymore, so I kind of had to slow that 688 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 5: down because I'm like, I I don't want to be 689 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 5: the have. 690 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 4: Knee issues, So. 691 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 5: I like so golf, I would say, is a big 692 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 5: like spare time thing. Still got one kid at home, 693 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 5: so I'm doing my park to shuttle him back and 694 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 5: forth to his uh practices and whatever. Pickups or take 695 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 5: him to school, so that sort of stuff. And yeah, 696 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 5: just to join some family time and yeah, playing golf and. 697 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: Outside a lot of work outside of this podcast obviously, 698 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: which I know you consume a lot. You're a podcast listener, 699 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: I'm guessing, and you're a book reader. You a little bit. 700 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 4: Just finish the Elon Musk book. 701 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 3: How was it? 702 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 4: Uh, it was good. It was good to me. 703 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 5: I Uh. It was actually my pastor at church that 704 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 5: recommended it to me, and I was like, Okay, I 705 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 5: read it, I got done with it. I'm like, okay, 706 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 5: I read it, but I don't think I want to 707 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 5: do all this stuff. He's like, no, it's not like 708 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 5: the example of what to do. It's like all the 709 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 5: stuff you could do and what costs. So to me 710 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 5: it was pretty powerful because like he you know, puts 711 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 5: it in NonStop, but also kind of like level setting 712 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 5: of that. 713 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 4: There could be a too much or whatever and what cost. 714 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 5: So but I thought it was a great read, super 715 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,719 Speaker 5: interesting because we're like living through it right now and 716 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 5: we're still like in the middle of Tesla SpaceX and 717 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 5: all this stuff. So it's like the book's already out, 718 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 5: but it's not finished. So that was interesting. And then 719 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 5: I'll just like I'll listen to podcasts that people send 720 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 5: to me. I do listen to like some Joe Rogan 721 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 5: podcast here and there. Just got some interesting stuff on there, 722 00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 5: and it's. 723 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: Always kind of guest depend it. Right, It's like, you know, 724 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: I feel like there's the massive podcasts, you know, you 725 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: kind of are scrolling through and it's like, Okay, I 726 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: want to hear what this. 727 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 4: Podcast is great? 728 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 5: Like I love listening to this one and taking a 729 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 5: bunch of stuff here, Like by the chipping, I've become 730 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 5: a much better chipper. 731 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 4: Listen. 732 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 3: That's right, thank you. 733 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 5: Take the math in my head of I need that 734 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 5: negative angle of attack. I've been trying to sweep it 735 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 5: and the grounds just getting in the way. And now 736 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 5: I'm like, the ground's not in the anymore. 737 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 2: So, yeah, that last last night he wore a shirt, 738 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 2: he had a jacket, he unzipped it, he had a 739 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 2: spin loft. 740 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 3: He's like, where are you gonna point the spin loft? 741 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 3: You know? 742 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: So this is open for on brand for Joe right there, 743 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a shirt for the open form and 744 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: get dial John K. We really appreciate you doing this 745 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: and appreciate the time, appreciate everything you do at Pinging 746 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: with the brand. It's been very cool to see the 747 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: recent developments. I mean just in terms of the irons 748 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: that you talked about. The new wedges are so great, 749 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: the driver's awesome. So thanks for the time and thanks 750 00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: for everything you. 751 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having me on a great path. 752 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 5: We've got great product this week we're introducing, and then 753 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 5: the future looks very bright. We got a great pipeline, 754 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 5: we've got great people working on products, so stay tuned. 755 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: The boss Man, John k. This is the Pink Proven 756 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: Grounds Podcast