1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Welcome everyone. This is View from the Rafters Today. We're 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: bringing in a man who hails from basketball country life 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: is funny. Okay, don't go there, not yet. Well, we 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: talk about him our post The Bust One Boys is 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: the crazy story, not actortball. It's the crazy thing to me. 6 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: It's like where you came from. Yeah, we're all older 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: than we think. We are always Gold League Gray Baby. 8 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: What's up everyone. We are winding down season three of 9 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: You from the Rafters behind the scenes with the Boston Celtics, 10 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: and during today's episode, we are going to turn it 11 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: back to the nineties. We got Antoine Walker coming on 12 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: the show today and listen, Antoine is actually rolling his 13 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: way back into the organization right now as an ambassador 14 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: for the Celtics. So he's going to be back in town, 15 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: coming to some games during the playoffs. He's going to 16 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: talk about that to you all, and we're really excited 17 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 1: to have him back in the fold with the organization here. 18 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: But we dove into pretty much everything about his career. 19 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: We started out talking about his time with Paul Pierce, 20 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: how that maybe translates a little bit to what Jalen 21 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: and Jason Tatum are going to nowadays right now and 22 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: their run and trying to get to the NBA Finals 23 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: and get get over the hump. We talked about his 24 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: early days with the team, and Rick Petito, his college coach, 25 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: taking over the helm here as the head coach of 26 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: the Boston Celtics in his in Antoine's second year of 27 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: his career, and then really going into those later parts 28 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: of his career. He and Paul Pierce made a run 29 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: to the conference finals, he got traded away to Dallas, 30 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: wound up coming back about a year and a half later, 31 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: and then in the end he wound up going down 32 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: to Miami and being able to win a championship alongside 33 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: Dwayne Wade and Shaquille O'Neal. So he's got a lot 34 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: to talk about. You're gonna want to hear it all, 35 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: and it's coming up next. Before we get into that, 36 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: just a quick reminder, as always, we got to ask 37 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: you to please rate, subscribe, and review. Literally, we appreciate 38 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: every single one of you who has given us a 39 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: watch and a listen this year. We wouldn't be here 40 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: without you, so thank you for that. And just a 41 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: reminder as we wind this down Every Tuesday, the audio 42 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: episode is dropping on your favorite podcast platform and every 43 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: Wednesday we're coming out with the video on your YouTube channel. 44 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: So without further do, let's toss it over. Here's Antoine 45 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: Walker talking about literally anything and everything throughout his career 46 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: with the Celtics. All right, Antoine Walker, Man, it's been 47 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: a while we haven't had you in the Celtics orbit 48 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: and way too long. Man. What's been going on on 49 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: your side of things over here over the last couple 50 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: of months, a couple of years, Just enjoying life. I'm 51 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: still very much involved in the game, doing TV, you know, 52 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: obviously out for Fox, and I'm still getting the opportunity 53 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: to be a part of the NBA game and being 54 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: able to express my knowledge of it and give my opinion. 55 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: So it's been going really really well for me. Is 56 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: being able to still be a part of it. And 57 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: I was doing the SEC network for four years, just 58 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: recently stopped doing that this past season, but still very 59 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: much a part of the game working with the Celtics, 60 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: and then the ambassador role got a little six so 61 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: I haven't been up there as much this year, so 62 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: I s threw me off a little bit, but looking 63 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: forward to continually working with them and probably be up 64 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: there doing the playoffs. Let's go into that though, Man, 65 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: that that's kind of a big deal of having you 66 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: back in the orbit, like I said, and being an 67 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: ambassador for the franchise. What made you want to do this? 68 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: What are you going to be doing with the team, 69 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: and why are you excited to get back here and 70 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: be involved with the franchise, the fan base, the community 71 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: and all that stuff moving forward? Well, Obviously, the Celtics 72 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,119 Speaker 1: are a team that drafted me back in nineteen ninety six, 73 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: took a chance of this nineteen year old kid, and 74 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: I had a lot of success and that visually made 75 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: me the player who I was. And obviously know Boston's 76 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: a sports town and if you can make it anywhere, 77 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: especially in the NBA, and to be able to have 78 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: some success and have Boston embrace you the way Boston 79 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: embraced me the fan base embraced to me, is great. 80 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: But great to be back and um working with the team. 81 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: Obviously followed the team and love what they're building with Jason, 82 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: Tatum and Brown and the quarter they have in place now. Um, 83 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: and I think the championship is coming soon. Those those 84 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: guys who got to they definitely have the talent to 85 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: do it. Um, they're putting a great product on the floor, 86 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: and it's just a matter off, you know, the ball 87 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: bouncing away a little bit, or break here, a break there. 88 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: But UM, I like what they got their established and 89 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: they've got some experience. Obviously, we know playing in the finals, 90 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: and I was able to see three of those games live, 91 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: so I know they're right there. UM to putting up 92 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: another banner. I like the sound of that. I like 93 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: where you're going here. Do you think it can happen 94 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: this year? I think it's wide open in the in 95 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,679 Speaker 1: the league. I think what team gets hot? Um, players 96 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: get hot. I'm with you on now. I think it's 97 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: I think it's one of those it's one of those 98 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: years that it's hard to pick a clear cut favorite. Um. 99 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: I think every team in the top four or five 100 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: I've looked great at moments throughout the season what it 101 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: looked like world beaters. So it's gonna be a very 102 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: competitive playoff. It's gonna be a team that can stay 103 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: healthy and whip players can get hot. You know, we 104 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: can get hot for six seven weeks. I got a 105 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: feeling what we saw it last year, right J t 106 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: and j B definitely got hot at the right time. 107 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: The whole team got hot. So let's see if it 108 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: can happen again. What do you remember about that that 109 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: run that you made to the conference finals that one year. 110 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you guys, you got hot at the right 111 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: time right being able to turn it on and make 112 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: that run to the conference finals. What do you remember 113 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: kind of spurred that for you guys? Made a big trade. 114 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: We traded for Ronnie Rodgers and and Gout was able 115 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: to play a little bit of a small ball with 116 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: him at the five and four and just to take 117 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: come around. We were we were we were very good 118 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: defensive team that year, and I think that's what that 119 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: kind of kind of pulled us over the top. But 120 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: it was our first time making a deep round like that, 121 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: My first time, Paul's first time, and we played again 122 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: it's an experienced team that had been together while Jason 123 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: kidd in that group, and we couldn't get past them. 124 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: But it was great experience, great learning experience, and it 125 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: taught us a lot about the dedication and what you 126 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: need if you want to get to the ultimate goal, 127 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 1: and let's getting to the NBA finals and playing for 128 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: a championship. Yeah, it's it's definitely not easy to get there. 129 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: Like you said, every year there's usually it feels like 130 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: there's you know, two, three, four teams in each conference 131 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: that can make that run. Let's hope that the Celtics 132 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: and can do it again this year and win a 133 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: couple more games than last year. You touched down Paul 134 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: right there. He came on the podcast a couple of 135 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: weeks ago. I gotta ask you about your time spending 136 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: with him his first I think five years in the 137 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: league were spent as a teammate of yours. What do 138 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: you remember about those days back in the late nineties 139 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: and early two thousands and when you guys first teamed up, 140 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 1: just great success. You know, when Paul came in, he 141 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: was a terrific talent. For us to be able to 142 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: mesh and figure it out was spec And I think 143 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: it started from us being friends off the court and 144 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: building a relationship as being friends off the court, and 145 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: that kind of carried over to the court and we 146 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: had great respect for each other's skill set and talent. 147 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: Said I think Paul is one of the pier scores 148 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: in the league. Get to the foul an when he 149 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: wants to UM, and I respected that, so I didn't 150 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: mind being one being him being one a M And 151 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: I think that's what really helped us UM have the 152 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,559 Speaker 1: success that we did, is because we respect each other's 153 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: talent and skill set and and that's that's the main 154 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: thing when you make it a run like that. UM. 155 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: Obviously we came up a little short, but it still 156 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: was fun as far as trying to get the Celtic 157 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: glory days back and becoming a really competitive playoff team. 158 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: When I got there, the team was in the rebuilding mode, 159 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: So to get to add Paul Um after a couple 160 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: of years was great and special for me. And you know, 161 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: it's it's turned out to be. We didn't we didn't 162 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: achieve what we wanted to, but we still put like 163 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: we put the Celtics in a good position and put 164 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: them back on the map as a competitive playoff team. 165 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: And it's something that we always remember. You said, you 166 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: guys started out like the relationship started off the court. 167 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: I gotta ask you a little bit more of that. 168 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: What was it that made you guys connect as just 169 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: like guys off the court, that you were able to 170 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: relate with each other and grow that relationship. I'm just 171 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: curious how that started out and what really helped to 172 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: take off. I think it's virtual respect for both each 173 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: other's basketball and skill set. I mean, I can't When 174 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: Paul came in, I had already made an All Star team. 175 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: I think he respected that and skepted my skill set 176 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 1: and then me respecting as an understanding where he was 177 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,599 Speaker 1: good at and he was a gifted score He was 178 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: a gifted guy that can get to the bathroom when 179 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: he wants to. He can score the basketball at a 180 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,599 Speaker 1: very very high level. So all those things played a 181 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: part in that. And we both had the will to 182 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: want to win. I think that's that's one thing that 183 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: people don't understand. Me and Paul are both very competitive. 184 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: We want we want the best, we want to be 185 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: the best, and I think that's what made us special 186 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: and was able to click right away. But we also too, 187 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: and not just a love tapping. To add to that, 188 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time together off the court. I 189 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 1: think that's important to build those type of friendships off 190 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 1: the court and to have a lot of respect for 191 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 1: each other. And me and Paul hit it off right away. 192 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: What do you guys used to do together? Everything, dinners, 193 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: we go to dinners together, we hang together, we would 194 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: club it together. And we're still good friends now, just 195 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: was a couple of months in la spent a couple 196 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: spent the week with them out in la Um. So 197 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: we're still very much good friends and and that that's 198 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: that's what I think what helps you when you're trying 199 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: to win a championship and has to assess on the court, 200 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: when you're able to build friendships like that as well. 201 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: All Right, when Antoine Walker is at Paul Pierce's house 202 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: in la you guys are sitting down for dinner, what 203 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 1: are you guys talking about? I gotta know that's the 204 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: variety things. Obviously we talking sports, and we love sports 205 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: and all sports. We argue about players and different things 206 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: that maybe going on. We're talking about girls, We're talking 207 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: about everything that you can never imagine. So we have 208 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: their great conversations that we have. We like a lot 209 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: of the similar things, so it makes for easy conversation 210 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: for us to get along really really well. You see 211 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 1: any similarities between you guys and Jason and Jalen. I 212 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: mean obviously very different eras different types of players in 213 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: some ways, but similar trajectories and careers. You guys started 214 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: playing together at about the same time Jason and Jayla 215 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: did in their careers. Do you see some similarities there 216 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: between your duo and their duo? Yeah, I do, and 217 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: I think, um, what I like about them if you 218 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: really watch them, they don't fight over the ball, so 219 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: you tell they have mutual respect for it. Took a 220 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: while though for them to learn that, I feel, but 221 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 1: you can just see it though, And I think that's 222 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: why if you start to see so much success and 223 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: you started to see a little deeper playoff run because 224 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: they have a little they have that type of respect 225 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: for each other. Um. But one thing that I could 226 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: say about those guys that you know, they're both wing 227 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: players sometimes because difficult. You know, I was more of 228 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: a powerful Paul was more of a wing. So to 229 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: see two wing guys able to figure it out and 230 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: have success is great and um and to be one 231 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: of the most exciting duels. But I could tell that 232 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: they have mutual respect for each other because in the 233 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: beginning they didn't look like that. But you know, over 234 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: the last I would say the last year a year 235 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: and a half has been great. Something Paul told me 236 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: when I talked to him a couple of weeks ago, 237 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: is that he really wants to integrate himself with these 238 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: guys and get to know them better as people off 239 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: the court and try to fill them in on some 240 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: of that Celtics history that in culture that maybe they 241 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: don't know yet. What do you want to what type 242 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: of relationship would you want to have with these guys 243 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: now that you're you're getting more involved in the organization 244 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: here moving forward or and by the way, do you 245 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: have a relation and ship with either of them at 246 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: this well? Uh, yeah, I mean I don't have a veryship. 247 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: Why I talk to them personally, um, but when I 248 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: see him, it's always deep conversations out Jason's dad is 249 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: a guy that I grew up with and played ball against, 250 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: so I know him very well, So I have some 251 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: type of to him. But but just just the fact 252 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: that I think one thing I could say with these 253 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: guys and the connection that you want, they got a 254 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: chance to do something special and they're doing it that 255 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: y'all has Me and Paul, we're young. You could be 256 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: together for a while. You know, it could be a 257 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: ten fifteen year run. And they've already been the one 258 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: finals obviously, they didn't win it, but you know, if 259 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: you're playing at that level and get into the Ultimate 260 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: and have a chance to win championship, ride it out. Um, 261 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: you know, I'll have a voice. Continue to try to 262 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: talk to the organization about adding pizzas when you need 263 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: to add pieces and be vocal, and also embrace the 264 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: Boston community. I'm not far and more know the things 265 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: that they won the community, but it's a great sports time. 266 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: People there are real true fans and they support you 267 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 1: and you know, all those things play a part and 268 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: making you a run and I want them guys to 269 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: make the most out of their career. So those are 270 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: type of conversations that I would want to have with them. 271 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 1: And they got a chance to do something special and 272 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: you can bring a title to Boston will be you know, unbelievable. 273 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: They bring another banner to there and understand that how 274 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: that goes. So I think those are some of the 275 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 1: things you want to share with them and continue to 276 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: get better. And they need each other to get The 277 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: league is too balanced now, so you can't do it 278 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: by yourself. You have to have multiple guys that's going 279 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: to deliver, and they have to take that leadership type role. 280 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: It's a really good point that the league really does 281 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,719 Speaker 1: have a lot of parody, a lot of balance. You 282 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: got to have multiple guys being able to step up, 283 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: to be able to not only make that run to 284 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: the finals, but then to get over the hump. They 285 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 1: just figured that out last year, finally getting into the 286 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: finals for the first time. We're talking about them in 287 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: their early portions of their careers. I want to talk 288 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: to you about that part of your career. You get 289 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: drafted in ninety six. Um, soon there after one season in, 290 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: you get your college coach coming in to coach you 291 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: in the pros. What were those early years like for 292 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: you and your adjustment from you know, coming from the 293 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: Kentucky program to playing for the Boston Celtics Men. That's 294 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: a pretty good run of being in some elite programs, right, 295 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: I mean that was wild. Yeah, it was actually a 296 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: love overwhelming because when I came in, even to take 297 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: this step back, NBL card drafted me. He was the GM. 298 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: J Jones was the assistant coach. I mean, we all 299 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: know you got the Timey Heights Sins doing the tv UM, 300 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: Cedric Maxwell doing radio. Yeah, at the time, he had 301 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: Joe Joe White in the stands. Bill Russell was a 302 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: part of organization. Rin all Back was still around, so 303 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: you understand the tradition of Celtic M, the Celtic organization, 304 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: which which is very special, and it was great for me. 305 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: It made me want to I was. I felt like 306 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: I was a true Celtic M. You believe you get 307 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: you get it kind of and bready than your blood 308 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: that that's what you want to get it back. And 309 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: obviously to try to get back to those glory days 310 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: was really tough. But I felt like me and Paul 311 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: did a good job of starting the foundation of one 312 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: getting back to winning basketball UM, making considerably deep, deep 313 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: roads in the playoffs. Obviously I didn't win a championship 314 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: in Boston, but you know, shortly out there year and 315 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: a half AFT I think eight at that leave. You know, 316 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: two years later they win the championship. UM, the foundation 317 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: was laid and I always feel like that myself and Paul, 318 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: even though Paul got there, was the one that was 319 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: a part of that championship team. But I always felt 320 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: felt like I was a part of that and the 321 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: rebuilding process of that, of getting back to those glory 322 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: days of being a championship team. You talked about the 323 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: legends that are just like all around you, especially at 324 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: that time when you came back, because a lot of 325 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: those guys they were still you know, fifty sixty seventy, 326 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: they were around a lot. Yes, who do you remember 327 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: sitting down and having conversations with and what came out 328 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: of some of the ones that like really pop in 329 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: your mind? Um and unscratched p you made. So the 330 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: legends for me is a little different probably, you know, 331 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: obviously everybody else Bird was still around. Man Bird was 332 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: a training camp before he took the job with the Pacers. 333 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: He still was around. Um. Obviously mL was the head coach, 334 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: Casey Jones was to assist it. Um my first year 335 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: you had read all back was still around and very 336 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: knowledgeable other game. This is a pretty good list of 337 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: legends so far. Yeah, that's like Royal Bill was. Bill 338 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: was around and you know it was a low overwhelming 339 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: at first, honest still what we was trying to get accomplished, 340 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: and I knew it was gonna be a rebuilding process, 341 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: but I was so excited to be a part of that. 342 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: And I don't want to leave out Sedgric Maxwell, who 343 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: was another guy who was great he talked to who 344 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: was already yell who traveled with us. Obviously, you know Tommy. 345 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: We all know Tommy hys and and what Tommy meant 346 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: for the organization and what he did for us, and 347 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: he was a great guy to talk to at the 348 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: games on the plane, and I just understand the history 349 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: of being a Celtic and being a true Celtic was 350 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: the most special part about it. I obviously you want 351 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: to get back to what the success of those guys have, 352 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: but it also was fun to be able to try 353 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: to get back to that, to that level, and that's 354 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: what myself I embraced it and Paul, so it was happy. 355 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: I was so ecstatic to see Paul get a championship 356 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: with the Celtics because we always was to talk about 357 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: that and talk about, you know, we had a chance 358 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: to win one that how special would it be? So 359 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: I was very fortunate to get mine in Miami, UM 360 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: a couple of years before. Paul wasn't what I thought 361 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: that way I would get one that, but it was 362 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: so exciting to see him get one in O eight 363 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: as well. Let's keep going on. In those early years, 364 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: I touched down it Rippetino comes on board. I think 365 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 1: you had only played one season in the NBA at 366 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: that point, so you had just gotten out of his 367 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: program at Kentucky. What was that like when your college 368 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: coach got hired to be your NBA coach at the 369 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: Celtics U. I was excited because Coach p was tough 370 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: on me, which was not a father but he was 371 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: a father figure from him. He demanded the best out 372 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: of me, worked me really hard. So I was looking 373 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: forward to that aspect of it, and coach was Coach 374 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: was one of those guys that was a winner. I 375 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: mean when you come from a guy who winning seventy 376 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: eighty percent of his games. When he came to us, 377 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: we were counting the rebuilding stage. My rookie year, we 378 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: only had one fifteen games, so it was fifty twenty 379 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,719 Speaker 1: one fifteen games. So when he came in, he came 380 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: into a difficult situation. We had a couple of lottery 381 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: picks and brought in had Chassi and Ron and and 382 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: the rebuilding process started. I think one thing for Coach 383 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: that was a little struggle for me and him. You know, 384 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: he won seventy I just said, he wants seventy percent 385 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: eighty percent of his games. I'm not sure that the 386 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: Zach number. And now you have to rebuild and the 387 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: process to the long time, and all you gotta do 388 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 1: is look at how many guys were traded and picked up. 389 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: The list is line in his tenure. That's coach. So 390 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: they'll let you know the impatience sometime that coach had 391 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: with that. So that's some of the things that that 392 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: I had to deal with as being one of the 393 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: young star players on the team. But he did right 394 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: by me. He signed me to the max contract. He 395 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: had a unique job where he was the GM and 396 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: the head coach, which is very difficult to do. Um 397 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: to do both the coach guys and they have to 398 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: bring guys ins. But um, he did that. So but 399 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: I knew how, I knew how to handle coach he. 400 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: I knew he was gonna be very difficult. I knew 401 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: he's gonna be hard on me. It was not gonna 402 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: be easy. I just think the process of him taking 403 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: his time and maybe given the year or two to 404 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: be really successful, he didn't have the patience for it. 405 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: Was he the same coach in Boston as he was 406 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: in college. Oh no, did you see differences kind of 407 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: his demeanor and that stuff. I was definitely different. I mean, obviously, 408 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: you go from winning you know, eighty percent of your 409 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: games too, you know below five hundred. You know that's 410 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: going to change anybody. So I don't think it changed 411 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: him for the worst. I just think it and made 412 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: him more impatient. Yeah, I don't think he you know, 413 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: we hear this term a lot of trust the process. 414 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: If you look at how many times he's trading and 415 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: moved players right away, So it's tough to get continuity 416 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: when you got new faces coming in and out the door. 417 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: And I think that was one of the things that 418 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: if it was one thing that that was a little 419 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: hard to do, was to find a consistent group that 420 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: we was going to be playing with. But um, for 421 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: me individually, it was great because he knew my skill 422 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: said he knew what I can do, and obviously I flourished. 423 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: I made an All Star team with him at his coach, 424 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: my first All Star team in ninety eight, and a 425 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: number of great things. Patino has been nothing but a 426 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 1: great person to me off the court and on the court, 427 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: maximize on my skill set and allowing me to be 428 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: the best player possible. Can you believe he's still going Uh, 429 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: I know he has the passion. Not being at I 430 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 1: guess a marquee program. Now take it out with Saint 431 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: John's a big thing. But you know, see him go 432 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: to Iona and such like that. It's a little surprising 433 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 1: because I know he you know, he wants to win 434 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 1: at a very an I know he's very successful I own, 435 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: but I know the level and where he wants to 436 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: play at. And so now being at Saint John's, you 437 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: will see you will see a new rebirth coach Patino 438 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: trying to get to another national title at City. He 439 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: still sounds as hungry as he was back in the 440 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: day when you came out on board, man like, it's 441 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: crazy that he's still got that drive at his age. 442 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 1: Oh no, unbelievable, unbelievable passions for the game and wants 443 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: to win. And trust me that Saint John Nallam will 444 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: not be disappointed. He'll he'll put the best product on 445 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: the floyd. He'll recruit, He's going to recruit his butt off. 446 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: He's gonna make those guys very competitive and get them 447 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: back to some of the glory days. Or Saint John, 448 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: if he takes Saint John's to the tournament and they 449 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: make a little run. We gotta get an Antoine wiggle. Oh, 450 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: no question, I'm gonna ricutity no guy. So I'm all 451 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: for coach and be rooting for him one hundred to 452 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: teen percent. Let's go in on the wiggle man. When 453 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: did this come about? What brought this out? I wasn't 454 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: here in Boston back in the day. I grew up 455 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: in upstate New York, so I didn't get to watch 456 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: you guys all the time. But I very much remember 457 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,959 Speaker 1: the wiggle coming out. I just don't remember exactly when 458 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: it burst. So what do you remember about when that 459 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: first shook off those shoulders for the first time? That 460 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: was just in college. I mean I used to we 461 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: used to dash and car we used to dash his 462 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: month players and stuff like that. But I used to 463 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: just do a little some little shoulder shrug and stuff. 464 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 1: In Cosmon, Coach Pane was like, listen, laws, it a'll 465 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: stop you from getting in the press. I can do it. 466 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: And when I got to the league, it's just something 467 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: that just carried over and as Star liking it, Timmy 468 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: high So I think Timmy might have the one that 469 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: called to walk away boo and people starts and started 470 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: to pick up on it, and it's just something that 471 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: kind of care me through my career. What's up the 472 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: fund brings some excitement to the game, But it was 473 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: very random. We used to dance a lot in college 474 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: and it's just something that, you know, the emotion of 475 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: a game. I just did it and they ended up 476 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: picking up stain. It's funny. Now we've got Jason on 477 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: the team, right, and he's got this thing that everyone 478 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: calls the kiss of death where he makes a certain shot, 479 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: he kisses his fingers and throws it up in the air. 480 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: But it seems like there's like he picks and chooses 481 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: the moments when that comes out. And you probably did 482 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: the same with the wiggle. Take me through how in 483 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: the moment, in the flow of the game, your body 484 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: tells you and your mind tells you, all right, now's 485 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: the time it's coming out. It's all about time and score, time, 486 00:23:53,840 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: score situation. If it's a comeback, you know, it's different ones. 487 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: If it's a regular you know early in the game 488 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: you may just get a little wiggle. If it's a 489 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: one of those situation where we didn't came back and 490 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: made a run and I made a big shot, you're 491 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: gonna get a big wiggle, and then then the game 492 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: you never know which one you're gonna get, which you 493 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: wanna get one at the end of the game, you 494 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: make a big bucket late in the fourth quarter. So 495 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: it's like different little variations to it, but it's all 496 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: in the floor of the game and how the game 497 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: is going. Um for me, it was it was like 498 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: that for me, all were making the run or we're 499 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: in the big situation making a big shot, that's when 500 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: it's coming out. No, obviously game winners is definitely coming out, 501 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,479 Speaker 1: so that that that's that's how that's self is flanatory there. 502 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: But then the game, it's all about the floor. In 503 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: the run of the game, you might you might wiggle 504 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: the whole length of the court if it's a game. 505 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: I've seen some of them, yes, sir. Well, Hey, another 506 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: part of your game that is similar to what we're 507 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: seeing nowadays is the three point shot. I mean, you 508 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: went from I can't remember what year it was, I 509 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: think it was two thousand when you really started taking 510 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: threes at a high rate. I think from from the 511 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: prior year, I think you were taking three and a 512 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: half a game and then that season you went up 513 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,719 Speaker 1: to seven point four per game, so you more than 514 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 1: doubled it. What was it that led into that? Uh, 515 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: and you really spike in the amount of three point 516 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: attempts in your game. Um. It was a weapon amount 517 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: being able to be six to nine extending the floor. 518 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: M Paul was a guy that got to the free 519 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: throw l thirteen fourteen, you know, ten ten plus times 520 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: a game. UM. So it was more about space and 521 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: then giving him an opportunities to have vaka space the 522 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: floor because we didn't have great three point shooting and 523 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: we played together. H. And also it was a weapon 524 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: a mine to be able to be six nine, six ten. 525 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: It was not really a lot of big guys that 526 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: can that wanted to come out there for on the 527 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: floor and guard me. So it was something that UM 528 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: that I had as an advantage and then I tried 529 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: to use that to my best ability. And then Jim 530 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: applying to UM really has stilled a lot of confidence 531 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: in me, really allowed in allowing me to no take 532 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: seven eight three of the game, which was unhurried to 533 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: have back then. And that's my next question. Yeah, so 534 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: to allow me to do that, that was all based 535 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: on gen I'm still a confidence in me and trusting 536 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: me to take good ones. And I mean I didn't 537 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: always take good ones, but he trusted me that I 538 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: would take good ones and and just made it a 539 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: big part of my game. Well, you made thirty six 540 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: percent of your threes that year, so someone tells me 541 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: that was a good move. But you mentioned it there. 542 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: At that time, there weren't many players taking five, six, seven, 543 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: eight three pointers a game. It was more like the 544 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: high volume three pointers shooters were taking like two, three, 545 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: four a game. Yep. Do you think that you were, 546 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: like were you ahead of the times here with what 547 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: fit into the game of basketball and how you could 548 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: really maximize skill sets out there? I think I was 549 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: ahead of times because we hadn't seen at the pro 550 00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: level where you've seen you guys six nine step out 551 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: shoot threes at the at the at the rate I 552 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: was doing it, it was a couple of big guys 553 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: that can you know, they can stept out away from 554 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: the basket and make plays and do certain things. But 555 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: I definitely think now it's like you have to be 556 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: able to do that now. Yeah, it's just part of 557 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: the game. But I think now I think when I played, 558 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: it definitely was surprising to a lot of people, and 559 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: I took a lot of grief from it. I mean, 560 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: I would hit you know, you would get even Celtic fans, 561 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: they would you know, you know, you take too many 562 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: of them, they'll stop booing and you'll hear people chirping 563 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 1: in the crowd and saying different things. Because you're tall, 564 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: the six nine, they expect you to be under the 565 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: basket and do certain things. So it wasn't great all 566 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: the time, but it worked out to be one of 567 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: the adventagers that I had as a player and one 568 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: of the unique skill sets that I had. That's got 569 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: to be one of the hardest things to go through though, 570 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: Right as a player, when you're doing something at that 571 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: time that's it's kind of unconventional, and because of that, 572 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 1: you're gonna get a little feedback from people who want 573 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: you to be conventional. How much of a challenge was 574 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: that for you, like mentally just to kind of stick 575 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: with it really bothered me once once I got to 576 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: consent from the coaches and the players and team if 577 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: it's part of our gang strategy, me being able to 578 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 1: space the floor and make threes Um, it made it 579 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: easy on them. Um. I've had moments though, something though. 580 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: We know fans from Tusky be um nasty essay, certain 581 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 1: things that you know that don't resonate with you. Well, 582 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: and you know I probably barked out and barked back 583 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 1: at them at times. But those the team and the 584 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: and the and the coaches were filed with mean shooting 585 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: threes and being able to help the team win. I 586 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: had no problem with it and not just dealt with it. Well, 587 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: you built that reputation of scorer, three point shooter, rebounder 588 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: for the first seven years of your career here in Boston, 589 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: made the All Star team a couple of times. Then 590 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: in two thousand and three you're traded. What was that 591 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: experienced for you first and foremost? But then it's like, 592 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: not even a year and a half later, you're back. 593 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: They had to have been a crazy, crazy experience for 594 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: you to leave and try to adjust to all those 595 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,959 Speaker 1: emotions and then be back like fourteen fifteen months later. Well, 596 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: I think you said it right. It was the emotion. 597 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: I mean they drafted me. I played my first seven 598 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: years there. I mean we were just starting to become 599 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: a playoff team. I was having individual success, so it 600 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: was very difficult. I mean, it was hard on me 601 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: personally to get traded because I thought I'd be asselted 602 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: the rest of my life. And so I went through 603 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: that part of it. And then after that, I mean 604 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: went to a great organization and Dallas Maverige, went to 605 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: the playoffs to play with some great players and Dirk 606 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: and Steve Nash and then our opportunity that if I 607 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: only year came back to get traded back there and 608 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: play one more year, which was great and moving forward, 609 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: just did you know, I became a free agent, and 610 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: you know, it became a numbers game. Me and Danny 611 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: didn't see out of the eye and in negotiations, so 612 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: I ended up you know, one over to the Miami Heat, 613 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: which was great for me when the championship. But UM, 614 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: no regrets in that in that sense. I mean, you know, 615 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: I would always love to have the Paul Pierce career 616 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: where I played fifteen years with one team, and um, 617 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: I always dreamed of that, but it didn't happen. But UM, 618 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: I was very fortunate to be able to size of 619 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: a free agent, UM and play well, get traded once 620 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: and then you know, side of the free agent and 621 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: play with some great organizations and some good teams. So um, 622 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: always thankful for that. But in my heart, I still, 623 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: you know, even though I got my championship with the 624 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: with the Heat, I always feel like I'm myself to 625 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: get heart h before you went into that the contract 626 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: negotiations with Danny and really just like right after the 627 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: trade coming back to town, what was that reunion Like? Uh, 628 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: it was great. I mean we you know obviously, um, 629 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: you know, man, Danny didn't hit it off. We had 630 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: we obviously the guys trade you you're gonna always have 631 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: a little animosity towards them, and so we had to 632 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: figure that aspect out and then we got the free 633 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: agency him when not weren't able to figure things out 634 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: as well. But you know that happens. It's it's tough 635 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: when you're a GM and you know, you have different 636 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: goals and different plans for a team, and Danny was 637 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: looking in a different direction and he was able to 638 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: make a huge monster trade and bringing Kevin Gardner to 639 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: Rayalen and the rest is history about that. So he 640 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: you know, his thought process was really really good and 641 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: being able to bring a championship back to Boston. So 642 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: you have to give Danny a lot of credit in 643 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: the moves that he made. But you know, individually, I 644 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: would have loved to retire the Celtic and play fifteen 645 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: years with the Celtics. That would have been a dream 646 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: of mine, but it didn't happen. But I was very 647 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: fortunate to sign with the Miami Heaton and play with 648 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: you know, Shagty Wade and lines on Morning, you know, 649 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: hall of famers, and play for pat Rally and win 650 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: me a championship and be a part of some special 651 00:31:55,920 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: So I think both of us got what we wanted. Um, 652 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: if you really look at it, the Celtics end up 653 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: getting the championship and I end up getting my championship. 654 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: It's a win win man. Hey, what was that year 655 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: like for you? That title run with the Heat and 656 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: you got a young d Wade coming up and playing 657 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: like an absolute mediac during that run. You've got Shock 658 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: putting the team on us back at times? What was 659 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: that run like for you to be a part of 660 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: I was very special playing with guys a Hall of 661 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: famers and to put that team together the way the 662 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: pat Rolly did. Um. We used to have a slogan 663 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: that says fitz Hey Straw, with guys hug out six seven, eight, 664 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: guys hung out together all the time, going at dinner 665 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: on the road. Just the journey and the goal that 666 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: we had. Shock missed the first twenty games of the season, 667 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: he got hurt up in the season, and you know 668 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: just how everything just panned out. D Wade kind of 669 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: riding his magical ride there in the finals. How great 670 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: he was and all those things were unbelievable. Last thing 671 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about, and you you mentioned 672 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: him a few minutes ago, but Kevin Garnett, he's he's 673 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: spoken about the way that your guy's relationship changed at 674 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: some point where for some reason there was a little 675 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: bit of animosity there, but then you guys were able 676 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: to embrace each other a little bit later on. What 677 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: do you remember about UM, the way that you guys 678 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: either clash or whatever it was, and then how did 679 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: that get resolved? And where are you guys at now? Well, 680 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: Kevin can of Chicago and playing high school basketball, an 681 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: obviously UM had a lot of success here in Chicago, 682 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: and you know, and we would play against each other 683 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: in the summer leagues and stuff like that. When you 684 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: guys wouldn't see what it was really very competitive. I 685 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: would have loved to have seen it, by the way, 686 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,959 Speaker 1: just say it. And we we we really went at 687 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: each other, and uh, but May and Kevin had the 688 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: most respects for each other. I love Kevin. I love 689 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: his energy that he plays with, what he brings to 690 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: the game, and I think it was everything was all competitive. Man. 691 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: One of the best fillers that I had was going 692 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: back and watching this jersey get raised in the rafters 693 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: and and and then embracing the way we embraced each 694 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: other and the respect I have for him and the 695 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: respect he has for me. People don't understand that's That's 696 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,720 Speaker 1: one thing. How I talked to Kevin about going to Boston. 697 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: We both wear Gary Payton's wedding. People don't know that. 698 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 1: Kevin came to me and he said that you're the 699 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: one who made him want to do it. Yeah. He 700 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: came to me and asked me, you know about the 701 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: Celtics and about the situation, and I told him the 702 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: best thing that he could ever do and is to 703 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: go play with a guy like Paul and be a 704 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: part of that organization. And so I feel a part 705 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: of it. We always uh, and he also mentioned that 706 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: in his speech, So I always feel good about that. 707 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: But you know, Kevin's got we got tied to certain 708 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: people here in Chicago, so we always have the upmost 709 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 1: respects for each other. But it's always about when we 710 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: played against each other and the times that we did 711 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: and nothing but love for Kevin. Kevin is Hall of fame, 712 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: a great talent. I love him to death. I love 713 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: what he braced the game, and I really enjoy that 714 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: weekie and him getting his jersey put up in and 715 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: being invited to that really made me feel special and 716 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,359 Speaker 1: I think it broke the ice there could have been 717 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: between us if it was any type atension. It broke 718 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: it to be there to pay him a lot of 719 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: respect for a person that you know, we all understand. 720 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,800 Speaker 1: To get your jersey hung up in Boston, how special 721 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: that is, Yeah, no doubt. And hey, you said that 722 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: you felt like you were kind of a part of 723 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: it all with that O eight team that you helped 724 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: to kind of lay that groundwork for that to be 725 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,359 Speaker 1: able to happen. Oh yeah, well everyone everyone now knows 726 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: that that conversation that you had with Kevin Garnett played 727 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: a huge role in his decision to say, okay, all right, 728 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,760 Speaker 1: let's do it. Kevin McHale, get me out to Boston. 729 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: Let's get this done. That conversation maybe what started that 730 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: entire process. So everyone owes it to you for making 731 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: that happen. There's no way we can hide that. But 732 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: then also you mentioned there about you coming back to 733 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 1: town for his jersey retirement. This has been great, Man, 734 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: to have you coming back into the fold here. Paul 735 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,839 Speaker 1: is coming around more, KG has been coming around more. 736 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: It's so great to have all you guys back around, 737 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 1: these young guys who are trying to really carry it 738 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: on of what you guys helped build over the last 739 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: couple of decades. So we can't wait for you to 740 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 1: be back in town in your ambassador role. I can't 741 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: wait to see you at some games the rest of 742 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,839 Speaker 1: the season, during the playoffs, yes, sir, and until then, Man, 743 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: we appreciate you coming up man, thanks for having me Man. 744 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 1: I look forward to saying you man well. I get 745 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:36,320 Speaker 1: a Bien's househol