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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Gentlemen, before we move on from political topics related to UAP,

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Speaker 2: let's stick with Congress for a minute. You know, Representative

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Speaker 2: Luna is chairperson of the Secrets Task Course, and I'm

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Speaker 2: sure people there are those who doubted whether she was

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Speaker 2: up to the job. She wanted it, Burchett, Burlason, some

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Speaker 2: other members of the House who want an oversight committee

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Speaker 2: in particular, wanted to keep probing into the UFO UAP topic.

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Speaker 2: And then somebody gives the ok for the Secrets task

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Speaker 2: Horse and said, oh, by the way, here's some other

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Speaker 2: secrets you could dig into, JFK, RFK, MLK, the Epstein files,

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Speaker 2: Havana syndrome, and just piled it on. It seemed to

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Speaker 2: me that they were trying to make that committee fail.

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Speaker 2: But Luna, whatever you may think of her, she's pretty feisty,

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Speaker 2: and I think she did make some progress on JFK records.

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Speaker 2: Epstein thing is still you know, up in the air.

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Speaker 2: I'd say that whatever files are being released or grudgingly so,

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Speaker 2: UAP hasn't made any progress that we know of, but

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Speaker 2: you know, at least having it in the public eye

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Speaker 2: and having a hearing shows that Congress is somewhat interested

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Speaker 2: in it, and it's okay for the public to be interested.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to get your take on the overall effort

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Speaker 2: by those members of Congress and the Secrets Task Force,

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Speaker 2: whether you have any faith in them having an ability

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Speaker 2: to make a difference in the time ahead. Jeremy, why

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Speaker 2: don't you starts if you deal with them quite a bit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the intelligence agencies and the keepers of the UFO

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Speaker 3: secret should fear Congress because Congress is fired up. They

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Speaker 3: are no nonsense, people like Representative Luna, Representative Birchet, Representative Burlson.

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Speaker 3: They're just the three that are public that you know about.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of people also in Senate that are

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Speaker 3: working to get this information forward, and no one's going

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Speaker 3: to relent. The more that they're stonewalled, the more angry

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Speaker 3: they get. And I am happy about their anger. So

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Speaker 3: I really do feel like as long as we keep pushing,

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Speaker 3: and as long as people like that keep pushing, then

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Speaker 3: we're gonna squeeze as much as we can out of

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Speaker 3: our government. But they're letting us get They want us

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Speaker 3: to know UFOs are real. They want us to know

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Speaker 3: that much at this time, which is really wild to me.

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Speaker 3: But the question is how far can we get? Well,

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Speaker 3: we need people like Tolcy Gabbert walking into the CIA

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Speaker 3: saying give me everything you got. I mean, that kind

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Speaker 3: of move is the way we're going to make progress.

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Speaker 2: Danny. So, I don't know how much of the hearing

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Speaker 2: you watched, but what were your thoughts sitting at home?

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Speaker 2: Are these guys going to have any success? Were you

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Speaker 2: rooting for them? Or were you disgusted or discouraged?

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Speaker 4: I love the hearings, They're amazing. It was great to

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Speaker 4: see some guy named George there. It was really amazing.

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Speaker 4: I get my pessimistic side sometimes takes over, and of

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Speaker 4: course I do defer to Jeremy and you join because

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Speaker 4: you guys are so involved. But sometimes I just wondered,

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Speaker 4: you know, do they have the abilities to get things done?

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Speaker 3: Is?

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Speaker 4: Do they create this Secrets Task Force as kind of

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Speaker 4: just to throw a bone to the public, and can

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Speaker 4: they actually do it? Can the government investigate itself? I mean,

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Speaker 4: I get pretty pessimistic about these.

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Speaker 1: Kind of things.

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Speaker 4: I don't have a lot of faith, and just politicians

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Speaker 4: in general, they kind of scare me sometimes they they're

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Speaker 4: more transparent. Now we see them speaking on social media,

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Speaker 4: and that almost makes me even more worried because I

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Speaker 4: see some of the things that they're saying. Sometimes, on

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Speaker 4: the other hand, it's really great to see them interested

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Speaker 4: in talking about the subject. So I do have a

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Speaker 4: lot of mixed feelings, and sometimes I feel kind of

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Speaker 4: pessimistic about it.

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Speaker 2: Ryan, I don't know if you watched all the hearings

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Speaker 2: or not. What encouraged me most is they're passionate. The

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Speaker 2: people that ask these questions are passionate, and it's that

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Speaker 2: we keep mentioning the three Republican members. But there were

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Speaker 2: Democrats there. All of them were passionate as well, and

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Speaker 2: they're all on the same team. I mean, I think

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Speaker 2: some of there were some Washington observers who worried that

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Speaker 2: Representative Crockett as the ranking Democrat on there might cause

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Speaker 2: some trouble or turn it into a partisan fight, but

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Speaker 2: it was. They were all on the same page as

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Speaker 2: earlier the hearings were. It may be the only bipartisan

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Speaker 2: issue ever. But is that an issue for you? Is

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Speaker 2: it something to applaud or are you discourage that they're

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Speaker 5: I think they keep I think they need to aggressively

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Speaker 5: continue to pursue having hearings. I think that Eric Burlison

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Speaker 5: and Annapolina A Luna kicked around the idea that, well,

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Speaker 5: maybe we should stop doing hearings because we lack the

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Speaker 5: subpoena powers to force people to testify. But I don't

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Speaker 5: think they should stop doing hearings. I think they should

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Speaker 5: aggressively continue to pursue them because it keeps the UFO

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Speaker 5: topic in the zeitgeist, it leads to coverage by the media,

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Speaker 5: and I think it indirectly pressures the current administration UH

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Speaker 5: to be reminded that the American public have a hunger

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Speaker 5: to learn about whatever truths there are about this topic,

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Speaker 5: and and hearings are public, they're official, they have gravitas,

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Speaker 5: and and it's a it's a constant reminder to the administration,

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Speaker 5: to the American people and even to our to our

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Speaker 5: governmental agencies that you have to you got to stop

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Speaker 5: misleading the public on this topic because people are coming

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Speaker 5: forward and they're contradicting your narrative. And that's what we've seen, right,

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Speaker 5: that's what we've seen. We We've had about what four

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Speaker 5: major hearings since the New York Times article dropped before

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Speaker 5: that was fifty years of the Congress saying that nothing

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Speaker 5: about the UFO issue, so so so the youth. So

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Speaker 5: the hearings definitely are strategic, and I think that if

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Speaker 5: they stop, we're going to be in a worst off situation.

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Speaker 2: Joe, same question to you. In this sense of the

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Speaker 2: intentions of the members that we saw at that hearing,

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Speaker 2: they seem honest to me. I mean, their interest seems real.

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Speaker 2: But I wonder if the higher ups in Congress chairpersons

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Speaker 2: of this committee or that committee are merely giving paying

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Speaker 2: lip service to getting to the bottom of it, giving

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Speaker 2: enough rope to the members, but knowing in the end

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Speaker 2: they're not going to make any progress. What do you think?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that may very well be the case. And I

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Speaker 6: think the hearings have been excellent, and yeah it's bipartisan,

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Speaker 6: but let's face it, the best questions have been asked

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Speaker 6: by the Republicans. They seem the most, the most educated

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Speaker 6: going into the hearings. One quick thing that we talked

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Speaker 6: about earlier, and Jeremy just mentioned on the Tulsa Gabbard

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Speaker 6: front in April, she had her team show up unannounced

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Speaker 6: at a CIA archival facility and said, we're taking these

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Speaker 6: documents give them to us. Now, that's exactly you know,

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Speaker 6: that's an amazing When I read the article, I'm like,

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Speaker 6: this is amazing. This is exactly what we need with

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Speaker 6: the UFO files. I don't know if we're going to

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Speaker 6: get that, but that would be that's a precedent for

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Speaker 6: what we need. As far as Congress. The one thing

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Speaker 6: that bothers me about the hearings is what Representative Burling

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Speaker 6: said Burlison. Burlison said recently, he said, going forward in

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Speaker 6: the next hearing, we want people who have new information.

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Speaker 6: You know, people have mentioned doctor James Lukatski to us,

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Speaker 6: but we're told he's not going to say anything new

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Speaker 6: that he hasn't said in his books and his interviews. Well,

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Speaker 6: if James Lukatski can go in under oath in front

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Speaker 6: of the American people in the world, raise his hand

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Speaker 6: and talk about what's in skin walkers at the Pentagon,

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Speaker 6: that would be a huge deal. He has to be

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Speaker 6: he said, Well, he's not. Burlson said, he's not. Lukowski's

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Speaker 6: not a priority. He needs to be number one priority

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Speaker 6: because we all know, I'm pretty sure we all agree

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Speaker 6: UFOs are not just nuts and bald, and that's what

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Speaker 6: Asap found out, and that needs to be told. That

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Speaker 6: story has not been told yet in the mainstream national media.

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Speaker 6: And I really want to get him on record. You know,

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Speaker 6: he's getting older. Get him on record. The next hearing

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Speaker 6: must have Lukowski.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll agree with you on that. I think if

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Speaker 2: he repeated what's been printed, it would be astounding because

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Speaker 2: most people haven't seen it.

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Speaker 1: That book.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many copies of that book have sold,

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Speaker 2: but it certainly isn't probably fifty thousand. You know, in

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Speaker 2: that a third of Congress has read it. If he

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Speaker 2: would confirm what he has written in those books or

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Speaker 2: to other media, the major media who do not try

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Speaker 2: to talk to him, do not try to interview him,

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Speaker 2: who have not read the book. If he said what's

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Speaker 2: already on the record that was approved through the doptor process,

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Speaker 2: to say, it would be a really big deal. Jeremy,

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Speaker 2: what do you think.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, if she's going to go hunting places down

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Speaker 3: and kicking indoors, Tulci Gabert should go to a multi level,

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Speaker 3: multi agency, multi decades. Storage facility at Wright Patterson Air

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Speaker 3: Force Base first level is described to me as a

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Speaker 3: museum of paper and archive on the UFO projects and programs.

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Speaker 3: That is actual information, and she could go kick in

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Speaker 3: that door, go to Wright Patterson and find that museum

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Speaker 3: of paper, because that should have everything that we have

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about Marco Rubio for a moment. One of

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Speaker 2: you mentioned him earlier. You know, he made some very

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Speaker 2: dramatic statements when he was a US Senator, was deeply involved,

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Speaker 2: was pushing opening doors, and was promising action, and I

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Speaker 2: take him as being sincere. He's been less vociferous on

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Speaker 2: but he and a lot of people around Trump are

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Speaker 2: very interested in this and had said going into the

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Speaker 2: you know, inauguration day of the beginning of this administration,

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Speaker 2: we're going to really bust this open. I mean a

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Speaker 2: behind the scenes, whispering in the years of people like me,

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Speaker 2: where is it? I mean, you know, Trump has said

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Speaker 2: he's going to open the files on this. He's going

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Speaker 2: to open the files on that Epstein, for example, not

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Speaker 2: a very good example. When he asks answers questions about

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Speaker 2: the issue, it seems like he's amenable to it. Then

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Speaker 2: he says, well, I don't really believe the witnesses are pilots,

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Speaker 2: and it seems like his interest is about two centimeters

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Speaker 2: him or holding my breath waiting for Trump to open

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Speaker 2: the files or reveal anything. Certainly not. In making a

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Speaker 2: dramatic statement the equivalent of disclosure, I'll start in the

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Speaker 2: reverse order, Joe, then Ryan, than Danny, then Jeremy. What

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Speaker 2: do you think about what Rubio has said? Plus the fact?

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Speaker 2: And he walked it back a little bit since his

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Speaker 2: comments in the Age of Disclosure movie came out.

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Speaker 6: I don't think he walked it back. I think when

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Speaker 6: he said I was selectively edited. I actually believe that's

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Speaker 6: what happened, because in the movie Age of Disclosure, it

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Speaker 6: talks about he mentions Roswell and he's like, you know,

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Speaker 6: people think that when a president gets in the office,

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Speaker 6: he can immediately say take me to Roswell, show me

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Speaker 6: the bodies, show me the craft. And I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 6: he was given a hypothetical there, because it almost sounds

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Speaker 6: like he's like, yeah, Roswell happened. You know, it's kind

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Speaker 6: of like a given. I don't think he said that.

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Speaker 6: He said it was like two or three years ago.

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Speaker 6: They interviewed him, and back then he was saying the

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Speaker 6: same things that he's saying now. And it really bothers

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Speaker 6: me because he back then a few years ago, he

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Speaker 6: was interviewed by Joe Khalil of News Nation and he's like, look,

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Speaker 6: either these people are telling the truth or they're crazy.

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Speaker 6: It's like he says the same thing now, it's like,

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Speaker 6: that stuff. Listen, they're not crazy. Stop saying that they

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Speaker 6: may be wrong. Maybe they were fed in misinformation because

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Speaker 6: with Brett Baer about seeing, you know, photos of craft

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Speaker 6: and bodies and intelligence reports. But Rubio is Rubio read

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Speaker 6: in as the as the acting National Security Advisor. You

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Speaker 6: these unacknowledged access unacknowledged special access programs. He's not allowed

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Speaker 6: deniability and saying you don't want to know that, because

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Speaker 6: when you're asked and you don't know it, then you

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Speaker 6: can truthfully say I just don't know if they're credible

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Speaker 6: people think he has been read in as far as documents,

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Speaker 6: Monty and bringing him in and showing him stuff. I

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Speaker 2: Brian, the same kind of question about Rubio, his interest level,

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Speaker 2: that the people around Trump would get him to go

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Speaker 2: ahead and make some sort of a statement. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think he was selectively edited, but I don't think

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Speaker 5: everything he said during that documentary was selectively edited. For example,

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Speaker 5: he spoke about the fear of strategic surprise and likened

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Speaker 5: it to the attack on Pearl Harbor and how the

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Speaker 5: UFO topic could lead to problems such as adversaries learning

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Speaker 5: how to duplicate this technology before the United States does so,

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Speaker 5: He's obviously has a lot of gives a lot of

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Speaker 5: credence to this topic. He never would have agreed to

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Speaker 5: be part of a documentary about UFOs if he didn't

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Speaker 5: give give a lot of credence to it. He said

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Speaker 5: multiple times as Senator, you know there's objects flying over

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Speaker 5: our installations. We don't know what they are. We should

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Speaker 5: learn what they are. And so I think he needs

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Speaker 5: to follow up on that if he was emphasizing that

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Speaker 5: we don't know what they are and we should learn

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Speaker 5: what they are. So great, Now you're the Secretary of State.

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Speaker 5: What are you going to do? How are you going

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Speaker 5: to contribute to that transparency? Your boss is Donald Trump?

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Speaker 5: What are you going to tell him to persuade him

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Speaker 5: to be transparent with the public. You said it was

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Speaker 5: important to be transparent with the public, and now you're

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Speaker 5: in a position to contribute to that. So are you

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Speaker 5: going to do that? And you know not only that,

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Speaker 5: I mean we have Tulta Gabbard who said she wants

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Speaker 5: with the American people. The director of the Central Intelligence

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Speaker 5: Agency is currently John Ratcliffe, he has gone up to

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Speaker 5: Intelligence Agency, He's gone up to the real close to

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Speaker 5: the line saying these are not from adversaries, these are

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Speaker 5: not from the United States. I mean, he said that explicitly.

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Speaker 5: The only thing he didn't say is they're alien. But

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Speaker 5: he basically said. He didn't basically say, he explicitly says it.

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Speaker 5: The American government military cannot duplicate these technologies, and they

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Speaker 5: cannot they cannot fight against these technologies. He's basically said it.

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Speaker 5: And then Jade Vance, the Vice President, has said I'm

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Speaker 5: obsessed with the UFO issue. I want to get to

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Speaker 5: have all these people in the Trump administration who are

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Speaker 5: people have a right to know what's going on and

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Speaker 5: we're going to look into it, and the Trump administration

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Speaker 5: is doing nothing. I don't know how that's possible. It's

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Speaker 5: to make us all very angry.

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Speaker 2: Danny, we got about a minute before go to a break.

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Speaker 2: Sorry to cut you short, but would you like to

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Speaker 2: weigh in on that one too?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think as far as the selective editing,

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Speaker 4: you know, the Secretary of State Margat Rubio basically accused

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Speaker 4: the producer Dan Farrah of kind of underhanded editing not

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Speaker 4: to put words in his mouth. And there's one way

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Speaker 4: Dan Farrah can either kind of show everyone what happened. Really,

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Speaker 4: he's the Rubio interview as an entirety as a whole,

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Speaker 4: and let us decide for ourselves. Anything less of that

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Speaker 4: I think probably does hurt the credibility of the film

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Speaker 4: a little bit. But I am still interested in what

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Speaker 4: for the future. I don't have a lot of faith

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Speaker 4: And I think if all these people like Ryan's that

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